Speaker 1: Hello Catherine, Hello Dominic, how are you this morning? Good?
Speaker 1: It's not morning time for me, It's almost dinnertime. It's
Speaker 1: early bird special time here in the UK. Well that
Speaker 1: just sounds delicious. Yeah, too ready for me. Can you
Speaker 1: believe we've gone through season one already? I know, honestly,
Speaker 1: it just flew by. Well shall we dive in? We
Speaker 1: absolutely should. Today's episode, at long Last, we are dealing
Speaker 1: with the finale of season one, Season one, episode thirteen,
Speaker 1: entitled morning Star. The air date was April five, two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, written by Pete Binswanger, one of our absolute favorites,
Speaker 1: directed by another one of our favorites, j miles Dale,
Speaker 1: and here we are in episode season one, episode thirteen,
Speaker 1: morning Star. The hunt is on Jace, who is still
Speaker 1: reeling from everything that happened, makes hunting down Valentine his
Speaker 1: number one priority, even though he continues to wrestle with
Speaker 1: his conflicted feelings in hopes of finding a way to
Speaker 1: stop Valentine before it's too late. Clarie and Simon must
Speaker 1: find the key to unlocking Jocelyn's coma. But that key
Speaker 1: to unlocking jocelyn spell made just undo the down world
Speaker 1: or peace treaty, Simon's relationship with Raphael and the vampire
Speaker 1: clan in the process, who high stakes? Forgive my high stakes? Interestingly, like,
Speaker 1: this is the highest stakes that we've dealt with in
Speaker 1: season one, and you're like, where do you go from here?
Speaker 1: And then we come back with season two and we're like,
Speaker 1: we'll show you gets much worse. We'll show gets fun
Speaker 1: Facts about episode thirteen season one. The finale shooting ran
Speaker 1: from September to October ninth, two thousand fifteen. Reshoots for
Speaker 1: the season were filmed after this. Did we have Did
Speaker 1: I have any reshoots? I don't think so, or did
Speaker 1: we We did? We added like four scenes at the
Speaker 1: end that we're throughout the season, and I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had any more than just
Speaker 1: pick up shots, but I know I had a whole
Speaker 1: scene with Emerald that was added into like episode five
Speaker 1: or something, and and then Matt had a couple of
Speaker 1: scenes and it was Yeah, it was at the end
Speaker 1: of season one. We had to sort of revisit a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff because they had the whole season by then,
Speaker 1: and they went, oh, wait, this piece of story is
Speaker 1: missing and we want to connect this relationship a little
Speaker 1: bit more, and we have five extra minutes in this episode,
Speaker 1: and it all kind of just wove together beautifully. Wow,
Speaker 1: I had no IDEA morning Star is a reference to
Speaker 1: the meaning of German translation of Clary and Valentine's last
Speaker 1: names Morgan Stern Morgan meaning morning and Stern meaning star.
Speaker 1: This family is are so created. Its meaning to the
Speaker 1: Bible verse Isaiah fourteen twelve, which states how art thou
Speaker 1: fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the Morning? How
Speaker 1: art they cut down to the ground, which diss weaken
Speaker 1: the nation's I don't know if I got that right.
Speaker 1: I hope I did. The first directly refers to Lucifer,
Speaker 1: the fallen Angel. Indeed, it does more on that. In
Speaker 1: season three, Clary says that Camille lives in a Leucard apartments,
Speaker 1: a Leucard Aleucard his Dracula spelled backwards. No, why did
Speaker 1: we not notice this? Not a clue? How did we
Speaker 1: not Clark that? I can imagine he just sitting in
Speaker 1: the writer's room like this is my fun little there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how funny. Just completely mistakes he did. Yeah, he surely did.
Speaker 1: The only book to screen stuff we can talk about no,
Speaker 1: there's there's actually some really interesting ones in this episode. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you got this from the book stamp,
Speaker 1: but there actually is a boat that Valentine has his
Speaker 1: sort of arc of the Unholy Covenant as it were,
Speaker 1: that that is in the second book or I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's Valentine's. It's Valentine's boat, and then I
Speaker 1: think we take it over at some point. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: There's a boat, but it's in book two, um, and
Speaker 1: we bring it into this episode and it it should
Speaker 1: have been season two for a for a hot minute,
Speaker 1: hot being the key word, and dangerous and just floating
Speaker 1: conductor with the impending lightning storm working its way like
Speaker 1: the fun thing about this So this boat is moored. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: actually we should talk about it when we reached the boat. Um,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. And I think I think next
Speaker 1: episode is better to talk about the book. Very possible.
Speaker 1: So the Book of the White. Yes, the Book of
Speaker 1: the White is also directly from the books. And uh,
Speaker 1: there's a similar conversation between Jason Valentine as we've seen
Speaker 1: this episode, um in City of Ashes, which is booked too.
Speaker 1: But again, as we've seen in over and over again.
Speaker 1: In our series, our writers are very smartly taken key
Speaker 1: moments from the books and key plat points and sort
Speaker 1: of rearranged them and shifted them to make our plot
Speaker 1: more conducive to television. Um, and it makes it more
Speaker 1: exciting for people that know the books cover to cover.
Speaker 1: I it does like I've got to do this two
Speaker 1: or three times where you make a choice as a
Speaker 1: character and nobody else is supposed to know your motivations.
Speaker 1: The audience is supposed to like draw their own motivations.
Speaker 1: Had to do it, and Penny Dreadful I did it
Speaker 1: at the end of Shadow Hunters, and like I remember
Speaker 1: doing press for the finale because we were one of
Speaker 1: the very few Netflix shows that aired episodically, so it
Speaker 1: was week by week we had it wasn't a binge
Speaker 1: watching show. And it was interesting because I got a
Speaker 1: lot of questions when we were doing press about like,
Speaker 1: what are your motivations at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's for me to know. I
Speaker 1: know a miles nose, but that's kind of it, Like
Speaker 1: we and the writers obviously no, but like that's it.
Speaker 1: And I got to a similar thinking Penny, which is
Speaker 1: really cool. Where like his motives, Kurt's motives were known
Speaker 1: to myself and to John Logan, the showrunner, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of it. And I get asked about it a lot,
Speaker 1: what were his motivations? And I'm like, that's on you. You.
Speaker 1: The clues are there if you want to figure it out,
Speaker 1: but draw your own assumptions. Any who, without any further
Speaker 1: ado and no more guilding, rely, shall we jump in
Speaker 1: or is there anything I missed? I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything we missed because a lot of it I think
Speaker 1: is very spoilery. So we don't want to We don't
Speaker 1: want to dive into soon. Yeah. So we started out
Speaker 1: having just come off the shocking realization that none other
Speaker 1: than our beloved hot Hodge stark Weather is, in fact
Speaker 1: the traderist of traders, bastard bastard indeed, honestly was he
Speaker 1: thinking it's wrong with you? Well, I mean, if you've been,
Speaker 1: you know, promised your freedom after decades of being trapped
Speaker 1: in the Institute, I think all of us after the pandemic,
Speaker 1: having been trapped in our houses, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1: If he'd have stuck it out till season two. The
Speaker 1: Institute actually got really nice. It wasn't such a nightmare.
Speaker 1: In season two, he would have maybe he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: if we'd have left the traitor storyline season two, maybe
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have made sense because they're like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean you're trapped? This place is really nice, Like,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, whereas in season one, you're like,
Speaker 1: that place looks a bit of a nightmare. I get it,
Speaker 1: but we the shadow Hunters do not yet know that
Speaker 1: Hodges the traitor audience knows, but we don't, and Valentine knows,
Speaker 1: and maybe Jocelyn knows because I think she can hear
Speaker 1: while she's unconscious. I can't really remember what we landed
Speaker 1: on with that, but the audience doesn't know. So what
Speaker 1: we are left with, sorry, the audience does know, We
Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, what we're left with is off the
Speaker 1: sort of reeling magnificence of the end of episode eleven
Speaker 1: and twelve, the big drum bombs that are dropped in
Speaker 1: those episodes. Bla la la, I'll get my lines right, um.
Speaker 1: Jason Clary are left to talk for the first time.
Speaker 1: They have some ship to work through because they were
Speaker 1: falling in love and all of a sudden their brother
Speaker 1: and sister and that's kind of gross. They have to
Speaker 1: discuss it. You, Yeah, Clary sort of drags Jace down
Speaker 1: quasi memory lane. I say quasi because we know what
Speaker 1: happens later. But just in case you don't stay with us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cat tell us about what's going on here. So we're
Speaker 1: in Clary's bedroom and as if there wasn't enough emotional
Speaker 1: bag to deal with, Clari's like, hey, just so you know, um,
Speaker 1: I know you're sink. Our mom abandoned you and threw
Speaker 1: you out like yesterday's garbage, but she didn't. And also,
Speaker 1: here's a bunch of your old baby stuff. And now
Speaker 1: they're sitting in Clary's bedroom discussing it. And as with Jace,
Speaker 1: he doesn't handle emotional situations very well, so he gets
Speaker 1: a bit cross. Well, well, well, I think this is
Speaker 1: somewhat the exception of this. Like he's furious. He's furious
Speaker 1: that he's been lied to, he's furious that is adopted
Speaker 1: parents because they were circle members. He's furious at his
Speaker 1: seemingly legitimate parents because he was abandoned and or raised
Speaker 1: slash tortured through the first ten years of his life.
Speaker 1: And as he says, and I agree with him here
Speaker 1: as he says, you know, a little box of trinkets
Speaker 1: doesn't change the fact that you weren't there. Like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's well and good that you watched over me from
Speaker 1: a distance, But like I had to deal with all
Speaker 1: this ship on my own, like I was, you weren't there,
Speaker 1: And I understand why he's angry. Also fun little clue
Speaker 1: for the future. Um, we saw the hair right, there
Speaker 1: was a little like lock of hair in that little
Speaker 1: lock of blonde hair. It's the wrong color it is,
Speaker 1: isn't it, you eagle eyed fans. It's much more I
Speaker 1: want to say, elizabe ethan, but maybe more tutor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I agree. I think it does have a very
Speaker 1: tutor esque hue. Who I thought? So wonder who mute?
Speaker 1: Who might? Honestly that sometimes my genius just amazes myself.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, right, it's crazy. Um, but we have to
Speaker 1: wait a whole another half season before any of those
Speaker 1: questions slash horrible clues that we just dropped get answered. Well,
Speaker 1: our lovely angels, if we gave you all the answers
Speaker 1: right away, there would be no show. We have to
Speaker 1: leave something agreed, So now we go, look, we know
Speaker 1: the Book of the White is in Camille's possession, and
Speaker 1: as much as we all hate her, we got to
Speaker 1: talk to her. So who do we go to but
Speaker 1: our resident vampire Bridge, Simon Lewis Simon Lewis, Simon Lewis
Speaker 1: with the answers, which I loved it. In this episode,
Speaker 1: Simon gets a chance to you know, even Jace acknowledges
Speaker 1: the fact that he has a role to play in
Speaker 1: this and that you know, we we Simon has a
Speaker 1: chance to do something, you know, somewhat begrudgingly, but yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: He says something here. I can't remember what it is,
Speaker 1: I've watched it earlier, and it makes me laugh. He goes,
Speaker 1: you say, like, oh, looking for the Book of the
Speaker 1: Y and we found this clue and you hold it
Speaker 1: the bookmark up and he goes the bookmark of the
Speaker 1: White and Jason the back just goes, oh God, I
Speaker 1: hate you, but you are our only chance, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let this go. Bed really made me laugh. That
Speaker 1: was really funny. Alberto is so good at like but
Speaker 1: Alberto is so good at it, like he knows he
Speaker 1: knows that Simon ryles up Jay Soon we really like
Speaker 1: plays with it, and it's really fun to do that
Speaker 1: stuff with him. But you're right, it's a nice moment
Speaker 1: that we get to acknowledge the new status that that
Speaker 1: Simon has within the down World. He gets to explore
Speaker 1: being like a dignitary, almost like an ambassador shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: slash vampire ambassador. And it's a hint at this beginning
Speaker 1: that we see of this generation being the generation of
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters and down worlders. That colin the question all
Speaker 1: the ways that things have been done and the rules
Speaker 1: that have been played by everyone in the down World,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a little little whispered to the future.
Speaker 1: Let's of foreshadowing in this episode. My goodness, it's like
Speaker 1: it's a season finale shadowing in this episode. That's what
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, the season finales. That's
Speaker 1: where you've got to start. You've got to start hooking
Speaker 1: fishies to bring them back in, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You've got to start hooking him. And that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: That's what we're throwing lines out, left, right, and center.
Speaker 1: In the first act of this scene with Alec and
Speaker 1: Marri's absolutely breaks my heart because Alec is really trying
Speaker 1: to reach out and even he just gets shut down left,
Speaker 1: right and center. You know what's interesting though, is this
Speaker 1: it's just good storytelling, like you need somewhere to go.
Speaker 1: Um and if they were both just kind of okay
Speaker 1: with it, there's no conflict. Also, like as terrible as
Speaker 1: it is, like this generational thing, I sort of get
Speaker 1: their position there. It's not what Maris says there which
Speaker 1: is interesting. Um, is it's got. It doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: it's that he's a guy. It doesn't matter that he's
Speaker 1: a male. That doesn't matter to me. The sexuality of
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me. What matters is you're dating
Speaker 1: like this grand lothario that everyone in the in the
Speaker 1: world has heard of. And I sort of get that
Speaker 1: from a mother's point of view, I sort of get
Speaker 1: this like protective, But then I guess she's not being
Speaker 1: as protective of her son as she is the name,
Speaker 1: the Lightwood name, which is a little dastardly, But I
Speaker 1: choose to think that she's trying to protect him because
Speaker 1: that's sort of where we end up with her story.
Speaker 1: I think she probably is. I just think she can't
Speaker 1: admit it yet, you know what I mean, Like there's
Speaker 1: a bit of her that she can't quite just needs
Speaker 1: a little time. And as you know, Robert Lightwood smartly says,
Speaker 1: which all of our parentals come become very questionable in
Speaker 1: the future. I'm just get bits of story back to me.
Speaker 1: But then, but the question is Lydia is missing. Yes,
Speaker 1: poor Lydia has gone somewhere. We the audience know, We
Speaker 1: the audience know, but she fucking dumb shadow hunters don't
Speaker 1: know because we never know what's going on or where
Speaker 1: anybody is constantly losing people and things, and the most
Speaker 1: important items in the shadow world just go missing. So Alec,
Speaker 1: the hero that he is, is on the hunt, as
Speaker 1: it were, poor lost lady Lydia, and he finds her
Speaker 1: not only unconscious but missing the Mortal Cup, the most
Speaker 1: important of the instruments that we have Slash no of
Speaker 1: because one of them we don't even know, right. We
Speaker 1: don't know what the mirror is, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: know what the mirror is. And the sword I think
Speaker 1: we know it exists, but it's no one really knows.
Speaker 1: We don't know it's an instrument. Yeah, we don't really
Speaker 1: know where it is at this point, Like these instruments
Speaker 1: are kept under Lack and Key brothers have it. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, that is the sword. So the sword is
Speaker 1: kept because they poked you in the face in the
Speaker 1: episode two. That's right. And yeah, so we know where
Speaker 1: the sword is and but it's kept under Lack and Key.
Speaker 1: The cup has been missing forever, but now we have it,
Speaker 1: and now you know Big Bad has it. And the
Speaker 1: mirror is a bit of a legend at this point.
Speaker 1: It's no one really knows if it exists or what
Speaker 1: it actually is, to be figured out later on in
Speaker 1: season two. Indeed, we have lydia utter Any thanks to
Speaker 1: a graciously graciously placed painting. One of those one of
Speaker 1: those fortuitous things. I love how we're all still dressed
Speaker 1: for the wedding. It's so funny. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we never see the Shadow Hunters stopped to shower or
Speaker 1: eat or cheated. We do see them eat once, but
Speaker 1: not until season three. We do. We had a breakfast
Speaker 1: scene in season three, that's right, and I think the
Speaker 1: only I think that's why they only put it in once,
Speaker 1: because it was a disaster, Like they kept feeding me bacon.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get Drew Potter in at some point, who
Speaker 1: was a camera operator and I he was. I could
Speaker 1: see him like chuckling behind the camera because I had
Speaker 1: a real issue with I was like talking and I
Speaker 1: just couldn't get bacon in my mouth for some reason.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for you know, almost thirty years
Speaker 1: at this point, and I just couldn't get it in
Speaker 1: my face. So I kept missing and dropping bits and
Speaker 1: then they'd have to come and wipe like bacon off.
Speaker 1: It was a whole night, probably why we didn't do
Speaker 1: very many eating scenes. But here we are, back at
Speaker 1: the monitor. We've got is on the on the case,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out clickity clack, where Valentine is and
Speaker 1: what actually happened because we know Hodges missing, and this
Speaker 1: is where all Hodges missing? Whoa do we know Hodges missing?
Speaker 1: Yet we know no one? We must Yeah, we know
Speaker 1: no one has seen him and we can't find There
Speaker 1: we go. We did a little I assume there's some
Speaker 1: kind of inner Colm got it. There we go, you know,
Speaker 1: paging Hodge to the missions control center, paging Hodge to um, Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's how it works. He sure didn't, I think so? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's never really been alluded to. We just
Speaker 1: sort of turn up where we needed. But yeah, then
Speaker 1: we get to see, you know, a badass John Core
Speaker 1: doing this thing. Unfortunately for nefarious reasons. This was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes with him because we we got
Speaker 1: to like watch him train a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't part of it, And then I wasn't there
Speaker 1: the day with the Forsaken either, because I was off
Speaker 1: somewhere else doing a Jason and John is. John came
Speaker 1: in as this like incredibly talented martial artist, and I
Speaker 1: know for a fact since then has has progressed even
Speaker 1: further as a gymnast and as martial artist. But he
Speaker 1: it like got to like I got to play with
Speaker 1: him for the first time in this episode and it
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, I'm really being put through my place
Speaker 1: paces here like this. This guy's really talented. But we
Speaker 1: get to touch on the sea the ring, which we
Speaker 1: talked about last episode, like wait, how did he get
Speaker 1: the ring? Oh? Wait a minute. As always is the
Speaker 1: case of Valentine, nothing happens by a mistake. That random
Speaker 1: forsaken attack not a mistake. The fact that he was
Speaker 1: so easy to take down also not a mistake. It
Speaker 1: was all planned and he wasn't even that easy. It
Speaker 1: was actually quite difficult. He leveled the challenge for the
Speaker 1: amount and the talent of shadow Hunters that was inside
Speaker 1: the institute. And there it is, fights forsaken steals a ring. Hodge,
Speaker 1: how could you, buddy? How could you it too? We
Speaker 1: loved you, man, I mean, we all know from this
Speaker 1: last couple of years that you trapped someone in a
Speaker 1: house for too long. We all go a little stir crazy,
Speaker 1: make decisions that we maybe regret. Who knows. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: there's stir crazy, and then there's giving the nuclear launch
Speaker 1: codes to Hitler, you know what I mean. Like, there's
Speaker 1: a balance there, and I think Hodge stepped over the
Speaker 1: line personally. I don't know if Valentine is a Hitler.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a parallel we want to
Speaker 1: make here, but not big bad, big bad key. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And here we are at the boat. Fucking boat, this boat. Man.
Speaker 1: So here's what you should know about the boat. There's
Speaker 1: so much happened on this but so much happens on
Speaker 1: this boat. So yeah, must have been at the end
Speaker 1: of this season and at the beginning of season one
Speaker 1: it was hot. So the top of this boat is
Speaker 1: like a big just a big like a radiating Well
Speaker 1: this was October, oh so this was this was the
Speaker 1: cold day. This is when it was really golden. It
Speaker 1: was cold, right, remember hearing that wasn't there that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very very cold. But interestingly, so this shot where
Speaker 1: we come up and the boat is on is moored
Speaker 1: at the at the dark. That's how the boat always is.
Speaker 1: It's decommissioned, it doesn't it doesn't sail anymore ever. Um
Speaker 1: so the boat is always in one place. Whenever you
Speaker 1: see that boat out in the water, it's fully c
Speaker 1: g I. They just put it out there. So we
Speaker 1: had and it was a whole of the boat was
Speaker 1: a whole nightmare. When you had to get two background on.
Speaker 1: There was literally one little staircase up theside, which you
Speaker 1: can actually see in the shop when you see the
Speaker 1: big wide of the boat. That was the only way
Speaker 1: to get on and off this boat. It was freezing
Speaker 1: cold and it's it's I was going to say parked,
Speaker 1: it's not parked. It's moored on one of the great lakes,
Speaker 1: Lake Ontario, which is this massive, massive like it looks
Speaker 1: like an ocean massive. So you are just completely at
Speaker 1: the mercy of the elements, like, if it was raining,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get rained on. If it's snowing, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get snowed on. And as we find out in season two,
Speaker 1: if lightnings are coming, you just get to watch lightning
Speaker 1: are coming and you get to see it get closer
Speaker 1: and closer. Just a bit of something. I noticed, this
Speaker 1: is a giant vat of blood that Valancine has just
Speaker 1: just sitting just sitting on there. Does it have to
Speaker 1: be angel blood? I think it does. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a bit of a thing. But I never thought about
Speaker 1: that's I mean, maybe it's deluded angel blood because that's
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a lot of blood. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of blood. But also Valentine's killed a lot of
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters, so that kind of makes sense. That's true,
Speaker 1: and I guess you couldn't exaglinate person you kill. He
Speaker 1: also says, which I think was quite fun in this scene.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm going to use this cup to purify
Speaker 1: this blood, and it goes like a yellow ea color,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know if that's pure. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's better, Like if my Britta filter
Speaker 1: purified my water and it went yellow. I'd be like, mm,
Speaker 1: excuse me, refund please, this is not probably time to
Speaker 1: change the filter at that. But this is so this
Speaker 1: This really speaks to Allan's kind of prowess at playing
Speaker 1: just a great nuanced villain. But there's such a brutality
Speaker 1: to Valentine and such a cunning to him as a
Speaker 1: battle strategist because yeah, he's yeah, Hodge has provided him
Speaker 1: the key that he needs, all well and good, but
Speaker 1: he owes Hodge nothing in his mind because Hodges found
Speaker 1: to be a trader and known to be a trader.
Speaker 1: So why would you want a trader on your team
Speaker 1: if the thing isn't they have this like the bad guys.
Speaker 1: I've always said in Anything and I, my favorite movies
Speaker 1: with a villain are the ones whether like you there's
Speaker 1: a part of you that kind of agrees with the villain,
Speaker 1: Like there's sort of an element where you are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it, Like it's dreadful, but I kind of
Speaker 1: get it though, um, and he's sort of one of them.
Speaker 1: He's like, you want to rid the world of demons
Speaker 1: in your willing to go however far for that to
Speaker 1: be the case, And you're like that's obviously not the
Speaker 1: way to do it. Like, that's obviously not how it
Speaker 1: should be done, but like, isn't that what we're trying
Speaker 1: to do, a shadow answers, we're trying to kill the
Speaker 1: demons and keep the down world safe. Obviously he's overstepping
Speaker 1: by getting rid of the down world as well, and
Speaker 1: but it's that tricky balance of like we're actually fighting
Speaker 1: for the same thing, we're just doing it drastically different ways.
Speaker 1: And that, I think is what's so cool about this
Speaker 1: is there's like there are these elements and again, this
Speaker 1: is what reminded me about it in this scene is
Speaker 1: like Hodge comes up and he's like, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be part of your team now, and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: you're a traitor. I don't want to traitor as part
Speaker 1: of my team. And that's how Jason wuld react, That's
Speaker 1: how Alc would react, Like it's the same thing. There
Speaker 1: there is a world in which you can be you know, rehabilitated,
Speaker 1: I guess if you've done something wrong at some point,
Speaker 1: but if you're a traitor, you're a traitor. Like I
Speaker 1: don't think Jason is going to trust Hodge again. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean like you're a traitor and that's
Speaker 1: kind of the end of it. Um, so again kind
Speaker 1: of get it. Yeah, and Hodge has this horrible realization
Speaker 1: that he thought he'd just gotten his life back, but
Speaker 1: his life is over. There is nowhere for him to go,
Speaker 1: nowhere for him to run, nowhere for him to be safe. Ever,
Speaker 1: he piste off everybody. Yeah, and again it goes back
Speaker 1: to a reputation and honor is such a big thing
Speaker 1: in the Shadow World, and once you lose that, you
Speaker 1: lose that for good, which is interesting because considering that's
Speaker 1: again that's why I think in season four Jason Clary
Speaker 1: would have had such an interesting arc because both of
Speaker 1: them had kind of not of their own will, but
Speaker 1: had destroyed their credibility in a way, and they were
Speaker 1: the only two people that understood that kind of pain
Speaker 1: and guilt and frustration with being burdened with a guilty
Speaker 1: conscience that wasn't of your own free will, and you know,
Speaker 1: having to to reprove themselves to the Shadow world. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I digress, we'll talk about that later. Any who exactly,
Speaker 1: that's for later episodes. This brings us neatly to uh,
Speaker 1: sort of the initial separation of Clary and Ja so
Speaker 1: Jason's motivations. I was just rewatching this and I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's so upset and I'm curious why it turned to Clary,
Speaker 1: and I'm because he could have used her as like
Speaker 1: a confidence and whatever. I think the two things that
Speaker 1: are in my head I had sort of bring myself
Speaker 1: back to where I was in that moment. The two
Speaker 1: things that were in my head were one, I really
Speaker 1: don't even want to look at you right now, Like
Speaker 1: I had feelings for you and that's weird, And I
Speaker 1: don't want to be around you because that. I'm still
Speaker 1: sort of dealing with that, and too, this like anger, resentment,
Speaker 1: jealousy that like you you although Valentine wasn't there, your
Speaker 1: father wasn't there, which I suppose long long, you know,
Speaker 1: long game, that's a good thing. But you still had
Speaker 1: your mother, your biological mother. You had your sort of
Speaker 1: adopted father, you know, surrogate father in in and I
Speaker 1: think there's this element of like, you really don't get
Speaker 1: it because I was raised by the other side of
Speaker 1: that coin. You were kept away from this. I was
Speaker 1: beaten and broken into it and didn't and then come
Speaker 1: to find out that not only were they not my parents,
Speaker 1: but they were my parents and you know this whole
Speaker 1: thing and it was so that I think is an
Speaker 1: element of where this anger is coming from, where it's
Speaker 1: like why you don't get it? And that's really frustrating,
Speaker 1: like you don't understand where this is. Anyway, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: Jay doesn't deal with his emotions very well. He packs
Speaker 1: up his gear and he's going on the hunt. He's
Speaker 1: ready there, he's ready for blood handful some height say
Speaker 1: oh you honeyman, you and it's it's this is the
Speaker 1: beginning of something else for Jay's that he deals with
Speaker 1: quite a lot going forward, which is this questioning of
Speaker 1: what is what part of him is Valentine? And what
Speaker 1: how does being Valentine's son? You know, what kind of
Speaker 1: effect does that have on who? Here? Maybe that is
Speaker 1: where his hot headedness and his propensity for violence and
Speaker 1: his skill comes from, but at what cost um? And that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sort of ends up being the congruent through line
Speaker 1: throughout a lot of Season two for Jasons, that question
Speaker 1: of like who am I? Basically isn't that what we
Speaker 1: all just wanted in the end? Who am I? Who
Speaker 1: am I? But you know, where do we go, except
Speaker 1: we give we give Luke call because again, I love
Speaker 1: seeing this in this episode that we have so much
Speaker 1: to do with coming together with the down World in
Speaker 1: this and using the down World and these alliances that
Speaker 1: we formed essentially also maybe you know, destroying them in
Speaker 1: the process, but we will get to that later. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's later this episode and then a whole bunch just
Speaker 1: throughout the rest of the show. But Luke is on board.
Speaker 1: I also love this moment that Isaiah has where he's
Speaker 1: like Hodge Stark Weather, find him, hunt him down, find him.
Speaker 1: I want him a lot. He has this voice, he
Speaker 1: has this like presence. Isaiah does stuff sometimes on set
Speaker 1: and you're just like and you just kind of watch
Speaker 1: it happen, and then you're like, a shoot, I was
Speaker 1: supposed to say something or do something. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: didn't do it. I was just watching Isaiah over there,
Speaker 1: which is I just messed up whatever it was. But
Speaker 1: he does. He has these moments of like gravitas where
Speaker 1: it really does. You're just like, Wow, that's awesome, that's
Speaker 1: really cool. You're like, oh, you're you're the leader of
Speaker 1: the pack. Anyway, Oh this is now, sorry, it's it's
Speaker 1: so funny. I forget how much in our show because
Speaker 1: we have so many storylines were constantly jumping around as
Speaker 1: things are happening concurrently. So now we have the scene
Speaker 1: where Alan goes by Felicia and sends sends Hodge out
Speaker 1: to pasture as it were, into the wilds of New
Speaker 1: York City. He's in trouble, which brings us neatly to
Speaker 1: the I guess like the vampire deliberation, like I'm and
Speaker 1: is kind of with Rafael, and then is he and
Speaker 1: Clary needs some things. This this sort of vampire like
Speaker 1: I don't even know how you put it, Like, what's
Speaker 1: a good word to describe this, because it's not just
Speaker 1: a meeting. It's more powerful than that, like summit. It's
Speaker 1: like a vampire summit. It's it's yeah, it's just some
Speaker 1: it's about summit with the vampires. It's it's I love it.
Speaker 1: I love to call this Simon the Negotiator Part two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we saw it earlier when Jay's needed blood. Now
Speaker 1: it's happening again, much to Rafael's chagrin. But also what
Speaker 1: I love here is you get a little bit of
Speaker 1: foreshadowing of the Clary and Isabelle partnership that happens throughout
Speaker 1: the series. So the first one of the first times
Speaker 1: we see these two team up, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: a nice It's poor Rafael. He doesn't even know what
Speaker 1: he's in, what's coming. The girls will take care of it,
Speaker 1: so much more responsible than the girls. They do such
Speaker 1: a better job at shadow hunting than like Alec and I,
Speaker 1: who are constantly losing things or like dying, oh wait,
Speaker 1: or not dying. Nice covered my us, well done, dumb,
Speaker 1: good job, nice almost dying, putting ourselves at risk of
Speaker 1: potentially dying. That's good, That's very good. Which leads us
Speaker 1: to the scene that I was so I was talking
Speaker 1: about earlier, and I was so excited to talk about this,
Speaker 1: this fight scene with John Corps. I'm glad we got
Speaker 1: rid of the like jewel lightsaber deal because I think
Speaker 1: that looked a little As fun as that was to
Speaker 1: train with, I think it looked a little ridiculous, but
Speaker 1: a lot of fun on the day. Hard work when
Speaker 1: you're hitting. I can't remember what these things were called
Speaker 1: that he fought with sur Akens maybe sort of siddy,
Speaker 1: sure is it? I don't actually know. Oh no, Shurakin's
Speaker 1: a throwing stars. That's wrong. It's it's for those who
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. It's kind of like an axe without
Speaker 1: the handle, you sort of hold onto the middle of
Speaker 1: the axe blade sive type situation. I typed in glade
Speaker 1: because that was in my head, but that's not it either.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway. We got to film this scene
Speaker 1: in weirdly actually the place where we did our first
Speaker 1: ever promo shoot for the show. We did it. It's
Speaker 1: in the same place, except we were here at like
Speaker 1: four in the morning filming this, so it's freezing cold.
Speaker 1: Um and John was such a trooper and he just
Speaker 1: like dove into everything. It was awesome and we really
Speaker 1: got to have this first like Master versus Master fight,
Speaker 1: which was really cool, like two people who like are
Speaker 1: the best at what they do and very much evenly matched,
Speaker 1: and really what what the reason Jace wins is? He
Speaker 1: kind of breaks the rules of engagement, like he there's
Speaker 1: you know, he's one, he's sort of beaten and then
Speaker 1: cut his hand off. Brutal. Brutal for Luke Skywalker mode brutal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just goes to show how kind of unhinged Jace
Speaker 1: is and how much he's started a question everything, and
Speaker 1: he's and it It's it's a little terrifying because you
Speaker 1: sort of go, what is Ja's willing to do in
Speaker 1: order to, you know, to exact his his own kind
Speaker 1: of revenge in this moment and sort of make right
Speaker 1: all of these things. I also, something I forgot is
Speaker 1: how acrobatic this fight actually is. And I mean that's
Speaker 1: a testament to to you and John, but really, Jamie,
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of fights like this. On this day.
Speaker 1: I trained and I got it correct. The big one
Speaker 1: is the backflip off the wall. I trained, and I
Speaker 1: got it to a place where I was happy with it.
Speaker 1: And then we got there on the day and we've
Speaker 1: been filming for ten hours already, and they just went, look,
Speaker 1: it's freezing cold, it's solid concrete underneath you. If something
Speaker 1: goes wrong, then the rest of the shooting day is done.
Speaker 1: I was also quite tired at that point, and I
Speaker 1: was like, fair enough, Jamie can do this one, um,
Speaker 1: And Jamie makes it look much more professional than I
Speaker 1: do anyway, So I was happy with it. But John,
Speaker 1: I think did all of his stuff. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: this day John did all of the flips and twists
Speaker 1: and back flips and all that fun stuff. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that's John would not surprise me. Also, um something else.
Speaker 1: That hand goes flying and you actually see it's so
Speaker 1: rare in the Yeah, it actually goes nuts. So John,
Speaker 1: this was really tricky and this took some real trust
Speaker 1: on John's part. I had to be really careful with this.
Speaker 1: So he is holding the prosthetic by the wrist underneath
Speaker 1: the sleeve of his hands. He's holding it like this
Speaker 1: right like that there. So I have this space to hit.
Speaker 1: And obviously it would be better to hit like the
Speaker 1: hand and then the hand goes flying off than it
Speaker 1: would be to hit John's hand and do some damage.
Speaker 1: But to make it look correct, you have to slice
Speaker 1: through that very very small gap there. And I remember
Speaker 1: he would hold it as still as he could, and
Speaker 1: I would just sort of almost like a golfer, like
Speaker 1: I would line up this perfect swing to go through
Speaker 1: and then get to that point. And then as soon
Speaker 1: as I'm through, then it's like the performance comes back.
Speaker 1: I get to act into it again. But that the
Speaker 1: whole until I've hit it, I'm just like, don't cut
Speaker 1: off John's fingers, don't cut off John's cut off the
Speaker 1: fake fingers as attached to a fake hand. Don't touch
Speaker 1: the real hand even though that's attached to the fake hand.
Speaker 1: Just do just straight lined on this all you gotta do.
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. And I think we did
Speaker 1: it twice. And the first one I was too too scaredy,
Speaker 1: and I like, I think I hit the top of
Speaker 1: the fingers of the fake hand and it just didn't
Speaker 1: look great. It looked like the hand just tumbles off.
Speaker 1: And then I think the second one, of the third one,
Speaker 1: we got this and we were like, that's the one.
Speaker 1: Let's not do it again. Let's not risk anyone's, anyone's
Speaker 1: fingers because as we find out, actually these ones weren't
Speaker 1: as bad. They still hurt when you got hit, but
Speaker 1: like season two, when you got hitting the fingers, that
Speaker 1: was that was rough. They were. I loved those swords.
Speaker 1: That was split knuckles city, Yeah, split knuckles, a couple
Speaker 1: of fraction bones every now and then, brutal. I loved them.
Speaker 1: Occupational hazard a little known fact that I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember, dumb um. I was not on set
Speaker 1: for the majority of this day, but this was actually
Speaker 1: Matt d. Daria's birthday and This was the day that
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, we all snuck onto
Speaker 1: set and snuck into Matt's trailer and created out happy
Speaker 1: birth thing and sent him a video because he wasn't
Speaker 1: do you remember that, Because he wasn't in his trailer
Speaker 1: on lunch and we were all going to surprise him,
Speaker 1: but he was somewhere else, so we just had to
Speaker 1: make him a video, which then some ended up somewhere
Speaker 1: on social media. There the one where you'll you'll pretended
Speaker 1: to be dead in his trailer as well, and you
Speaker 1: can get it right, Everyone started laughing, Yeah, we're asleep.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're just trying to be you know, as as
Speaker 1: fun times, you know, straight as a Matt Dadario himself.
Speaker 1: But we couldn't have it. Yeah, uh, only Matt can
Speaker 1: do that. It's a real it's a real change, can't
Speaker 1: We can't do the dead Matt. We can't. So the
Speaker 1: end of this scene leads to a handless arrested Hodge
Speaker 1: and a still fairly single minded Jace. Using said hand
Speaker 1: from now handless Hodge, he finds himself a Seli ring,
Speaker 1: a Celia communications ring, which can only communicate to the
Speaker 1: other ring, right it can, so he knows who he's calling. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so with this ring, he finds himself face to face
Speaker 1: once again, not quite in the flesh, but close to Valentine.
Speaker 1: A somewhat morbid foreshadowing promises that I am coming for you,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to make you regret the choices that
Speaker 1: you've made. And what's interesting about this as well, a
Speaker 1: little bit of mythology, is that no one else can
Speaker 1: hear Valentine in this moment, only only the possessor of
Speaker 1: the ring. They can hear your side, but I have
Speaker 1: a feeling you're keeping it rather hush hush, and you
Speaker 1: know they're dealing with well TV hush hush, like three
Speaker 1: or four paces away, complete silence, completely. There's no shadow
Speaker 1: Hunter expert hearing room, and were wolf ears are not
Speaker 1: a thing at this moment. Yeah, not until we use
Speaker 1: them for the first time. We write them into the cannon.
Speaker 1: That's so far We're wolf hearing is cannonless. It's not
Speaker 1: part of our cannon. It's not part of our story
Speaker 1: as of yet, is it. No, we haven't used it
Speaker 1: in season one. Now we have Isabelle the distractor at
Speaker 1: her finest. Isabel being distracting as the Isabel that we
Speaker 1: first met in episode one. She does a wonderful job
Speaker 1: distracting any well. I was going to say, any warm
Speaker 1: blooded creature couldn't help but stop and stare. But apparently
Speaker 1: not just warm bloody creatures, because Raphael caught himself catches
Speaker 1: himself being a little allured by the loveliest another. A
Speaker 1: little bit of foreshadowing, isn't it. I know? Wow, we
Speaker 1: really did drop them all in in this episode, didn't we.
Speaker 1: Well done, Pete Swinger, Oh, I have to tell okay,
Speaker 1: now we have Simon pushing a car then through the
Speaker 1: hotel to morrow. I got to talk about this coffin
Speaker 1: for a minute. I don't. I'm sure you've been, you
Speaker 1: know your vampire days, you've been in a coffin or two.
Speaker 1: I had never been inside a coffin before, and I
Speaker 1: was curious, nervous, wondering what it was going to be like.
Speaker 1: I was fine, completely fine with all of it until
Speaker 1: I accidentally shut my eyes once before they closed the lid.
Speaker 1: So then I opened my eyes and I was shut
Speaker 1: in the coffin, and for some reason, not seeing the
Speaker 1: lid closed what made all the difference, And and the
Speaker 1: sound inside of the coffin because it's all padded, right,
Speaker 1: so you just feel enclosed and a little bit underwater,
Speaker 1: and it's not great. I'll put it that way. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not thinking no, I don't like it. I'm
Speaker 1: not thinking that that's where I want to end up,
Speaker 1: you know, eventually, not my choice. It's such an irrational
Speaker 1: fear because the concept of it happening is so slim,
Speaker 1: but being buried alive is a real fear. Like that's
Speaker 1: a real Like I have that nightmare. At least once
Speaker 1: a year. I have the nightmare and I wake up
Speaker 1: with the sweats of like I'm good, I can get
Speaker 1: out and everything's fine, like what I remember once I
Speaker 1: had that nightmare and I woke up with my sheets
Speaker 1: like over my head and the panic like full screwt
Speaker 1: like and then the sheets came off and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm fine, everything, I'm good. I'm fine. But a little
Speaker 1: bit of a week came out. And that's going to
Speaker 1: be the promo for this episode. I can almost guarantee it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably is probably this. God so this this takes us
Speaker 1: So Rafael. Rafael slips is the clutches on his way
Speaker 1: to to stop the impending doom of Clarie and Simon,
Speaker 1: which leads us to Alec and Luke, which again is
Speaker 1: this is what we keep talking about on this on
Speaker 1: this show, and what we used to talk about his
Speaker 1: actors when we were in the show. Fucking hell, the
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters are useless. He literally comes over to Luke
Speaker 1: to say, we just gotta keep bar eyes on jas
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with Jason. We just gotta keep our
Speaker 1: eyes on him no matter what and make sure that
Speaker 1: he's good. Turn around Scooby Doo star and they're like, huh,
Speaker 1: where did we go? They appeared with this beard? Useless,
Speaker 1: completely useless. Jase does it all the time as well.
Speaker 1: Completely useless, honestly, but it works for the story. So
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm into it. I'm into it. Buy it.
Speaker 1: And now we're back to Simon and Clary about to
Speaker 1: unleash Camille. Interestingly, this was the last scene that Alberto.
Speaker 1: This was the last scene that was shot in season one. Um,
Speaker 1: Alberto and I jumped in a car. You came from
Speaker 1: this to New Yeah, yeah, we met you all at
Speaker 1: the airport to fly to New York Comic Con right
Speaker 1: after shooting this scene. Wow. But interestingly enough, there she
Speaker 1: is Camille. He said, WHOA, all right, calm down. You
Speaker 1: know they say people wake up cranky sometimes, but this
Speaker 1: is a whole that. Honestly, I just watched this and
Speaker 1: it's scared. I knew it was happening, but I think
Speaker 1: I was like looking away or whatever, and I looked
Speaker 1: up just as she came up, and it scared the
Speaker 1: shit out of me because I forgot that it was
Speaker 1: quite so like directly into camera. It was so drastic.
Speaker 1: So you guys chat about listen, lady, give us the book.
Speaker 1: That's enough out of you. Just give us a book.
Speaker 1: And she says, no, take me with you. Not like that.
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't get this role when I auditioned
Speaker 1: for Camille, because that's how I did it. Take. I
Speaker 1: think you're a better I think so too. Something interesting
Speaker 1: about this as we get into the concept of the
Speaker 1: vampire sire situation, which we don't We don't play into
Speaker 1: a lot until season two, be I believe when certain
Speaker 1: other characters entered the story who we come to love
Speaker 1: verily as humans, um as a character, but as a person,
Speaker 1: as a character as much, but as a person absolutely.
Speaker 1: But it's this concept of whatever vampire turns a creature,
Speaker 1: a human into a vampire. They are that that new
Speaker 1: fledgling vampire is drawn back to their and linked forever
Speaker 1: to that other vampire. Which it just it's another nail
Speaker 1: in the coffin for lack of a better pun. For
Speaker 1: Simon that he is forever linked to Kneel in the
Speaker 1: same way, sort of paralleling Jason Clary forever being linked
Speaker 1: to Valandine for now. Also John Cole, what an absolute legend.
Speaker 1: So we this kind of what happened this day? Um,
Speaker 1: we find Jason and and Hodge in what looks like
Speaker 1: an abandoned warehouse because it is in fact an abandoned warehouse.
Speaker 1: This is Studio one B. Before it was Studio one B,
Speaker 1: it was just a storage room for like metallic equipment
Speaker 1: next to our studio. And come season two we bought
Speaker 1: it and turned into The Hunter's Moon and Jade Wolf
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other stuff, which is right.
Speaker 1: But this day and I can't remember what happened, but
Speaker 1: they came to me this day and they went, hey, man,
Speaker 1: something's changed. We're going to film this scene today. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean, because you know,
Speaker 1: we prep like we put work into these ahead of time,
Speaker 1: and this was scheduled for sort of a week later
Speaker 1: or whatever, and in my head, I was selfishly thinking
Speaker 1: about me, and what I should have been thinking about
Speaker 1: is like, poor John Core is about to do a
Speaker 1: scene where he's getting tortured. You're just gonna throw this in.
Speaker 1: And he threw himself into it so thoroughly. His stump,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, that prosthetic hadn't been
Speaker 1: made yet, so they just folded up some like paper
Speaker 1: around his arm and drew blood on it. And that
Speaker 1: is what this is, like, it's not the prosthetic that
Speaker 1: that's how quickly we rolled into the scene. And John
Speaker 1: just does such an amazing jobs. He's this like powerhouse
Speaker 1: performer and he does this incredible job. But what's interesting
Speaker 1: is it come It has come from nowhere, Like there's
Speaker 1: no prep that went into this. There's no like even
Speaker 1: just like when you're acting, you sort of put yourself
Speaker 1: in the mindset of like I have a light scene
Speaker 1: coming up, or like this is a love scene, romance,
Speaker 1: that's what I have to do, or like this is
Speaker 1: a fight scene, Get into that place, or like this
Speaker 1: is a death scene, get into that place. You just
Speaker 1: sort of put your mindset from the beginning of the
Speaker 1: day roughly where you're going to be. And he had
Speaker 1: to pull this out of his ars, and I think
Speaker 1: he does an amazing job pulling this golden performance out
Speaker 1: of his bottom indeed. But you know, that's part of
Speaker 1: the course with John Core leaving us with the location
Speaker 1: of Valentine. But I have a feeling that Valentine doesn't
Speaker 1: want to looks like it takes us back to sneaky,
Speaker 1: sneaky Simon looking through his little, his little cross shaped window,
Speaker 1: not to be taken any further than twenty ft before
Speaker 1: he has stopped by Raphael. The question then is who
Speaker 1: could possibly save the day? Somebody? Surely que Isabella word.
Speaker 1: Oh no, she doesn't shoot arrows. She does it's a podcast,
Speaker 1: so nobody saw me do that. It's oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what she does a little friends. This is like a
Speaker 1: massive air blast of the wall as well as that
Speaker 1: they yeah, they did so the wall. I believe it
Speaker 1: was they had changed out some bricks for foam bricks
Speaker 1: sort of. I think it was. Actually you know when
Speaker 1: flower arrangements, when you have that green stuff at the bottom,
Speaker 1: that's like the really thick phone. I believe it was that.
Speaker 1: And then I don't exactly know how they did it
Speaker 1: with practical effects, but they blew the wall up basically
Speaker 1: but safely, and then through the wall walks the sexy Isabelle,
Speaker 1: lightwood and true glamorous, graceful fashion, bringing the daylight with her,
Speaker 1: bringing the daylight with her, which seems to take weight.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it just nighttime where Jace was? We can say
Speaker 1: it was dawn. We can say it was dawn, the
Speaker 1: coming of dawn. Let's let's call it dawn. We'll call
Speaker 1: it dawn. But that it's interesting because that does answer
Speaker 1: our question from last episode about the daylight and the
Speaker 1: vampires in our world, because it's it would not be
Speaker 1: the ambient daylight then that gets them. They would have
Speaker 1: to be in a direct beam of light in order
Speaker 1: for it to because that this this light comes in,
Speaker 1: but it kind of cuts a separation, allowing our heroes
Speaker 1: and slightly questionable villain type to get away. It does
Speaker 1: answer our question. Very good um taking us to a
Speaker 1: little walk and talk in a hallway that we have
Speaker 1: used before and I'm sure we'll use again. I think
Speaker 1: episode five, episode five we used this in when we
Speaker 1: were escaping the police station. We were underground. It's a
Speaker 1: little walk and talk hallway seven, but we was at seven,
Speaker 1: but we went the other way. We were walking the
Speaker 1: other way. So they're very it could be it could
Speaker 1: be a completely different different. Oh yeah, because yeah, it's brilliant, brilliant,
Speaker 1: what wonderful stuff which takes us to Magnus's apartment. Camille, Magnus, Simon,
Speaker 1: Clary and Izzy are all in Magnus's apartment and I
Speaker 1: can't remember why, well, because we have to find the
Speaker 1: Book of the White So we're questioning. We're questioning Camille.
Speaker 1: She must have said something. I think she does. I
Speaker 1: think she does say like I need to see Magnus Spain.
Speaker 1: We're like, all right, fine, fine, what other errands do
Speaker 1: you need to run? Camille? Do you need? Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, any excuse, any excuse to go and see
Speaker 1: the wonderful Magnus Spain. Were like, let's do let's do
Speaker 1: that sounds great? We don't. He is another one. It's
Speaker 1: so interesting that we don't just any time we need
Speaker 1: to go somewhere or do something, we're not just like, hay, Magnus,
Speaker 1: You're literally all powerful can you just do this thing
Speaker 1: for us please? Like any time we needed to like
Speaker 1: find something or like destroy something, like we never we
Speaker 1: never just went like, hey man, could you would you
Speaker 1: mind just sort of giving us a hand somewhere, you know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that brings us to a really lovely um oh,
Speaker 1: because this is what it is. Because Camille demands from
Speaker 1: Simon a writ of transmutation in order to help us.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's a big thing. I mean, so
Speaker 1: the rid of transmutation. Basically, because Camille broke the accords
Speaker 1: by transforming Simon into a vampire, she is now yeah,
Speaker 1: this writ of transmutation exonerates her, and basically Simon is
Speaker 1: literally signing his soul away and saying, I asked Camille
Speaker 1: to turn me into a vampire. And so it takes
Speaker 1: away any bargaining power that Simon has, and it also
Speaker 1: you know, forces him to sort of claim this as
Speaker 1: something he wanted, which is not it's not easy to do,
Speaker 1: nor is it right in any sense of the word.
Speaker 1: But as we see time and time again, Simon, being
Speaker 1: the hero that he is, chooses to to take it
Speaker 1: on for Jocelyn, for his mom, and for the rest
Speaker 1: of the shadow World. Um, you know, let me see
Speaker 1: a little glimpse of short, redheaded, bad tempered Frey going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll hold her down if you want to steak her.
Speaker 1: It's fine, let's do it. But you know, Simon does
Speaker 1: the right thing once again. Alec turns up poorly timed
Speaker 1: bless him, just in time for tricksy, mischievous Camille to
Speaker 1: start pulling it some heartstrings there, to start leaving some
Speaker 1: threads of cliffhangers, some cliffs to be hung on. She
Speaker 1: starts leaving them by slapping a big old kiss on
Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend, Magnus pain brutal right in front of
Speaker 1: his current boyfriend Alec Lightwood. Unacceptable. Community's some really poorly
Speaker 1: timed kisses in this show. You know, it's just or
Speaker 1: well timed, depetting on how you look at it, or yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's the thing. It really does depend on on
Speaker 1: your sort of position there. All about perspective. But there's
Speaker 1: something about this, these ancient beings and these downworlders that
Speaker 1: have existed for hundreds and hundreds of years and have
Speaker 1: this immortality. There's a gravitas to them, but as well
Speaker 1: as a a frivolity to some of their decisions. Because
Speaker 1: they do have all the time in the world's a mischief. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's a real mischief because it because who care.
Speaker 1: It's like, if I make this mistake, it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter because I'm gonna live forever. Literally by definition, if
Speaker 1: you're going to live forever for an entire eternity, you're
Speaker 1: gonna make every mistake because it's eternal, Like eventually, you're
Speaker 1: going to make all the mistakes. So just get this
Speaker 1: one out of the way. I sort of get this,
Speaker 1: like this weird capacity for immortality where you're like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, literally, nothing matters. It doesn't matter. And it
Speaker 1: makes sort of all of the immortals, Camille Magnus, the
Speaker 1: Seely Queen, it makes them all quite tricksy, It makes
Speaker 1: them all quite sort of mischievous, is really is the
Speaker 1: best word for it. And Magnus is really the only
Speaker 1: one that we're like, we like your mischief. You're quite
Speaker 1: good fun. We like you. You're well meaning, you're good hearted,
Speaker 1: you care about other people. The others are really just
Speaker 1: like mischief for mischief's sake, and we'll take advantage of
Speaker 1: us lowly mortals along the way. Which speaking of lowly mortals,
Speaker 1: you have. It's actually it's it's not used to start
Speaker 1: to see this transition, even as short lived as it
Speaker 1: is in Alecan Clary's relationship. It's you get to see
Speaker 1: why they butt heads because they both have the same
Speaker 1: want to, you know, love and protect Jace, but go
Speaker 1: about it in very different ways. And and this is
Speaker 1: one of a few instances where we actually get to
Speaker 1: see them on the same page of going. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: Jason is on the war path. We gotta find him.
Speaker 1: We've got to stop him before he makes a bigger
Speaker 1: mistake than he is aware of. Totally, totally, totally speaking
Speaker 1: of jays making mistakes, the handless stumbling Hodge is dragged
Speaker 1: to where we think the boat is. It's now daytime,
Speaker 1: so I'm assuming it was dawn when we got him,
Speaker 1: only to find no ship, no Valentine, and throws Hodge
Speaker 1: against the shipping container. Was it necessary? We all think so?
Speaker 1: Um So, the plans have been criss crossed. At this point,
Speaker 1: Jason was on the path. He was going to turn
Speaker 1: up a Valentine and do whatever it takes to stop
Speaker 1: this man from doing what he's doing. Unfortunately, Valentine's cotton
Speaker 1: on to Jason's plan disappeared and is going after his friends.
Speaker 1: Run Run, Run. A fun story about this, right, So,
Speaker 1: in true bad guy fashion, So Kinsey, Alex Kinsey, who
Speaker 1: wrote the music for this and there's an incredible musician.
Speaker 1: You should check it out wherever you are, was here
Speaker 1: this day. He was here, when he was here when
Speaker 1: we film this, and watched take after take of me
Speaker 1: sprinting as fast as I could to get to where
Speaker 1: we were going. And finally they say, yeah, we're done
Speaker 1: with that scene. We're gonna move on. And Alex goes,
Speaker 1: you're done with that scene, right, and I go yeah, man.
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, good because you kind of make a
Speaker 1: funny running face. And I was like what. He was like,
Speaker 1: you make a funny running face. I guess not a
Speaker 1: big deal, but you make a funny face when you run.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to tell you and put you
Speaker 1: off like whilst you were doing it, but like I
Speaker 1: was laughing about it, and I was like, wow, okay.
Speaker 1: And as soon as he finished saying that, miles from
Speaker 1: behind me and I think Pierre from behind me go hey, man,
Speaker 1: we just need to do one more and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, now I'm fully in my head and I
Speaker 1: see Kinsey like sink. He's like, oh no, this is
Speaker 1: so embarrassing. And I did another take of it and
Speaker 1: I'm very obviously like not like intentionally not trying to
Speaker 1: pull the face as I'm running, and they were like that.
Speaker 1: Everyone was sort of like that was really weird. We're
Speaker 1: not going to use that. And I think all of
Speaker 1: the running got cut out of the got cut out
Speaker 1: of this show because of this super embarrassing, super super embarrassing.
Speaker 1: But there you go. It happens to the best. At
Speaker 1: least you didn't trip, you know, I've I've had several
Speaker 1: of those where I just fall, not yet not running.
Speaker 1: No Paris. Actually I had a little trip in Paris,
Speaker 1: but not onto my face. But it's a fun transition
Speaker 1: from like sprinting badass, going to be the hero to like,
Speaker 1: oh dumb, I'm just stumbled and I look at more
Speaker 1: on This moves us quite neatly onto the stage, whether
Speaker 1: it's this room or another room, the stage for sort
Speaker 1: of the finale of what's about to happen for our
Speaker 1: season one. And it's interesting, you know, when you film
Speaker 1: stuff like this, we don't know if we're getting a
Speaker 1: season two. Sometimes shows are very lucky and they get
Speaker 1: told ahead of time, um, that they're going to get
Speaker 1: another season, which I think. Actually, we were told season
Speaker 1: two to season three that we have been picked up,
Speaker 1: were we not. Yeah, we are told season two to
Speaker 1: season three that we did right. Yeah, we got told
Speaker 1: on set, which was nice because then we were able
Speaker 1: to sort of find our lives and have a bit
Speaker 1: of assurance going into our break. But this time we
Speaker 1: didn't know for exactly six months, eight months, something like
Speaker 1: six months, six months to the nose, six months. And
Speaker 1: I know why it was six months because it was
Speaker 1: that was the contractual stipulation. So they when you join
Speaker 1: a show, they have you for a certain amount of time. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you sign a contract for six years, seven years,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, so if they want to continue making
Speaker 1: the show, contractually you're obliged to go and continue making
Speaker 1: the show. An absolute dream come true for an actor,
Speaker 1: so it's not a big deal. You know, you sign
Speaker 1: away your life, that's totally fine. In between seasons, part
Speaker 1: of your contract says they have a certain amount of
Speaker 1: time to tell you that you're coming back or not
Speaker 1: coming back, and after that amount of time, the contract
Speaker 1: is their null and void. And either if they wanted
Speaker 1: you back, you'd have to resign another contract and renegotiate,
Speaker 1: or you're done with the show and you contractually do
Speaker 1: not have to come back. They I think To the
Speaker 1: Week took their full six months to tell us because
Speaker 1: the contractual cipulation was six months, and I think it
Speaker 1: was to the Week because I was in London between us.
Speaker 1: I was in London auditioning, like I was. I was
Speaker 1: going out for other stuff because I was like, it's
Speaker 1: been five and a half months, and the podcast audience exactly,
Speaker 1: but like it's been five and a half months, Like
Speaker 1: it's not looking great, let's just leave it. But they,
Speaker 1: you know, told us later on that they had had
Speaker 1: this plan forever. But where anyway, I digress. When you
Speaker 1: film scenes like this, you don't know if this is
Speaker 1: you telling the last thing that's going to happen in
Speaker 1: this story, Like we don't know, we have no idea.
Speaker 1: So in theory with us, this is like we're saying
Speaker 1: this is Jason Clary's final goodbye. And it's a weird
Speaker 1: place where you're in because you want to and you
Speaker 1: hope that this is going to be the case that
Speaker 1: you're going to continue but you just don't know, like
Speaker 1: you just have no idea. During this scene, Clary and
Speaker 1: Simon very cleverly find a book of the White indeed
Speaker 1: disguised quite wonderfully as a cookbook. An they're called back
Speaker 1: to the books. It is that chicken catdatory is um
Speaker 1: a big thing in the books. It's Simon's favorite recipe
Speaker 1: that Jocelyn makes and Clary makes it later, and it's
Speaker 1: sort of a thing that they share as a reminder
Speaker 1: of where they came from. And you know, especially considering
Speaker 1: Simon's human for a lot longer in the books, they
Speaker 1: get to live it out a little bit longer. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting, so much used to him now. I also
Speaker 1: wonder if this is a sort of another iteration of
Speaker 1: Jocelyn and Clary's shared power of disguising things in drawings. Um,
Speaker 1: whether this was sort of a or or just a
Speaker 1: regular glamour, I'm not sure, but it's another sort of
Speaker 1: shadow huntry wink and nod to dot who we missed
Speaker 1: very dearly. Mm hmm um. Valentine shows up. Bad news bears.
Speaker 1: It's not great. Valentine shows up with his cronies. He
Speaker 1: has everyone held tied up swords to the throat. I'm
Speaker 1: actually pretty sure, which I think is really clever. They
Speaker 1: have magnus hands tied because the question again, like we
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, is like why doesn't Magnus just
Speaker 1: snap his fingers and do something? But his magic has
Speaker 1: tied to these motions that he does, you know, and
Speaker 1: they have his hands locked so he can't move his
Speaker 1: hands to do what he needs to do with you know,
Speaker 1: the magic thing that he does. Um, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a clever little like, Oh, we've sort of taken
Speaker 1: care of that question there, which is good. Um. Valentine
Speaker 1: gives Jason choice, come with me, be the lieutenant in
Speaker 1: my new the world is going to end army or
Speaker 1: lose your friends. Not really much of a choice there.
Speaker 1: It's not much of a choice in my head. Again,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that we never really we
Speaker 1: never really discussed and told to the audience. But the
Speaker 1: show is over now, so I'm going to tell you,
Speaker 1: um explosive. The question was always did Jason leave because
Speaker 1: there's a part of him that knows he has Valentine's
Speaker 1: son and that's where he belongs. Which is there that
Speaker 1: thought is in the back of his head? Or did
Speaker 1: Jason leave because he knows he can be the spy
Speaker 1: now completely completely exonerated in Valentine's eyes, and get the
Speaker 1: up back. Those were the two things going through Jas's head,
Speaker 1: and the way I thought about it when I was him,
Speaker 1: when I was when I was stood there in that
Speaker 1: room and I was looking at my father, and I
Speaker 1: was looking at my best friends and the woman I love,
Speaker 1: It was in my head, I'm going to take the cup.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill this man. This threat is going to
Speaker 1: be over. My friends are gonna be safe, the human
Speaker 1: world is going to be safe, the down world is
Speaker 1: going to be safe. And I wonder if this darkness,
Speaker 1: if this anger, if this emotional fragility, I wonder if
Speaker 1: the answers lie with him. I wonder if I'm going
Speaker 1: to have these questions that I've had for the rest
Speaker 1: of them, for the large portion of my life, answered
Speaker 1: by this man. So there is that was his motivations.
Speaker 1: Either way, he says a semi tearful goodbye, or maybe
Speaker 1: asked a manyana as to the way to go to
Speaker 1: his friends, to his family, and leaves with the big
Speaker 1: bad Valentine. And this is there's another again, so many
Speaker 1: nods in this a lovely nod to the Parabatae relationship
Speaker 1: and Alec. You know, Jason knows Alec and knows enough
Speaker 1: to go, I mean it, don't don't try and and
Speaker 1: what is so he would sense that motion, He, like Alec,
Speaker 1: has made the decision, like you have to prethink about
Speaker 1: whatever it is you're going to do. And you know,
Speaker 1: right before his synapses fire and his legs, his fast
Speaker 1: twitch muscle fibers, they're ready to go, and right before
Speaker 1: they fire, Jay senses it and goes, no, seriously, don't,
Speaker 1: don't I mean it because he knows that that's what's
Speaker 1: about to happen. Yeah, And what's lovely about that is
Speaker 1: Alec takes it even a step further and takes over
Speaker 1: for Jason in a way as the leader of this group,
Speaker 1: but also as Clary's protector because he then knows, okay,
Speaker 1: Jason wants Clary to be safe, wants her taking care
Speaker 1: of She's going to need someone now that she doesn't
Speaker 1: have Jace, and he also knows that she's going to
Speaker 1: go running after him with reckless abandoned because that's what
Speaker 1: Clary does. And he literally catches her from jumping into
Speaker 1: limbo from diving into you know, unknown realms of nothingness, nothing,
Speaker 1: and it's it's such a lovely turn where Alec has
Speaker 1: pushed her away for so long and for Jason and
Speaker 1: for this, you know, this relationship that he doesn't ever
Speaker 1: know if he'll see his parabita again. He's taking over
Speaker 1: and taking care of what is his as well. And
Speaker 1: that's it's a really beautiful moment that we you know,
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't, We don't see that sort of
Speaker 1: that side of Alec a lot. And again, who is
Speaker 1: the first person to rush to Clary? It's so lovely, Yeah, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: we're back at the institute. Jase has gone. Nobody knows where.
Speaker 1: I know where because I've led him and I was there,
Speaker 1: so I know where he's gone, but nobody else knows
Speaker 1: At this moment, we're back at the institute theory with
Speaker 1: all of the tools we need. Ah, poor Hodge, we'll
Speaker 1: see him again later, wink, with all the tools we
Speaker 1: need to wake up the lovely jost to wake up
Speaker 1: Mama faction. First, though, we have a lovely, little, lovely
Speaker 1: but heartbreaking Simon and Clary moment where you know, Clary
Speaker 1: has consoled Simon so many times, and now we get
Speaker 1: this role reversal where Simon actually is the one who
Speaker 1: knows his place in this world, and Simon is the
Speaker 1: one who's on sure footing and shoots a shot in
Speaker 1: a way and and says, I've I've got you. We're
Speaker 1: going to do this, and then we have an exchange
Speaker 1: if I love you, which, again, this is something that
Speaker 1: you know, I thought about a lot because obviously Clary
Speaker 1: knows a bit of how Simon feels about her. She's
Speaker 1: she's aware, but isn't necessarily in a place where she
Speaker 1: can go there. But she needs a friend. And I
Speaker 1: think the the I love you in this sense is
Speaker 1: can be taken a lot of ways, but it's You're
Speaker 1: my family, you are my rock. You are the one
Speaker 1: thing in this world that I'm sure of, So I'd
Speaker 1: love you. But it begs the question because she did
Speaker 1: invite him to the wedding, and there's a part of
Speaker 1: her that goes, Okay, I thought I knew what love was.
Speaker 1: I thought I knew what these emotions were. But if
Speaker 1: I thought that was Jason, Jason's my brother, maybe I
Speaker 1: was wrong about what love was. And maybe that God
Speaker 1: that didn't go on in the show as long as
Speaker 1: it went on in the books, is all I'll say. Um,
Speaker 1: I know here we are, finally, after eleven twelve motherless
Speaker 1: episodes of Shadow answers, Finally, through the magic, blue, sparkly
Speaker 1: fingers of the wonderful Magnus Spain, we are about to
Speaker 1: welcome back Jocelyn Fairchild to the world of the Living,
Speaker 1: out of the green bell of Wragner Fell. Finally, Cat,
Speaker 1: why didn't you tell us about this scene? I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm even there. You're not. You're on a
Speaker 1: boat with Daddy Valentine. So what we have here we
Speaker 1: have the family, We have the family assembled. We have
Speaker 1: magical warlot godfather Magnus Spain rousing Joscelyn from her coma,
Speaker 1: and again, in a moment of gravitas, Luke catching her
Speaker 1: before she falls to the floor from her magical bubble.
Speaker 1: And we see, we see this moment the family reunited,
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually a really lovely moment. You know,
Speaker 1: there's when Jocelyn wakes up. In the books, their reunion
Speaker 1: is not quite as sweet. They actually kind of go
Speaker 1: head to head almost immediately. Um, But in this moment,
Speaker 1: Clari has been through a lot. Jocelyn immediately apologizes, and
Speaker 1: there's a moment of not not now. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: this later. I don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about the shadow world. I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about family or Jace or anything. I just need a hug.
Speaker 1: I just need my mom. Just need my mom. Just
Speaker 1: need a hug for my mom. NEUTRAL just need a hug.
Speaker 1: Please hug me. Um. Quick note to arguably the scene
Speaker 1: stealer from this fucking Isaiah's arms, the size of them,
Speaker 1: good lord, Honestly, like he picks up Jocelyn and like
Speaker 1: it's nothing, Like it's nothing, just just like picking up
Speaker 1: a tray of mimosas Why that came to my head,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that was the first thing that
Speaker 1: was easy to carry that came away. Is easy to carry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you've had as much practice as me, do it blindfolded?
Speaker 1: All right? You got to teach me because I do
Speaker 1: not have those skills. Placement is key. Many years as
Speaker 1: a waiter, many dropped mimosa all right, Peter Parker um, which,
Speaker 1: speaking of cups and important precious liquids, brings us to
Speaker 1: the final scene in season one. Yeah, do you want
Speaker 1: to tell us about this one down? Yeah, lots of questions,
Speaker 1: lots of questions. We leave you with lots of questions.
Speaker 1: Somewhere where we're in New York, so heading into the
Speaker 1: River Atlantic, Yes, somewhere heading out into the Lantic Ocean,
Speaker 1: is Valentine stood in front of a fully raised shadow
Speaker 1: Hunter army, ready to do his bidding, asking them to
Speaker 1: join him. He's just a man with his son standing
Speaker 1: in front of an army with Jace asking him to
Speaker 1: asking them to join him with a very very motivationally
Speaker 1: questionable Jace at this moment, join me and my son
Speaker 1: as this army on a floating ops center, unbeknownst to
Speaker 1: anyone else in the Shadow World, sails off into the distance,
Speaker 1: leaving us on one of the biggest cliffhangers we ever
Speaker 1: had on the show. And that is the end of
Speaker 1: season one. That is it? That was the end of
Speaker 1: season one. Wow? Can you imagine if we didn't come back?
Speaker 1: That would have been brutal, brutal if that's how we
Speaker 1: ended it, unbelievable. Also, I do just want to quick
Speaker 1: nod credit to the two hundred background supporting artists extras. However,
Speaker 1: you refer to them in your country. Um, it was
Speaker 1: freezing as cold this day, like freezing, freezing cold, and
Speaker 1: Alan and I had a little space inside and we
Speaker 1: were good and we could just you know, nip into
Speaker 1: the warm and nip back out. But these guys were
Speaker 1: pretty much out there all night. So every single one
Speaker 1: of you, if any of you are listening, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being troopers. You did an amazing job
Speaker 1: and the show wouldn't have been the same without you.
Speaker 1: It's not an easy job, and it's often a thankless job,
Speaker 1: and it adds so much to the world. And I mean,
Speaker 1: as we've seen also, you know, in this period of COVID,
Speaker 1: folks may not folks at home may not know. Numbers
Speaker 1: of people on set have had to be controlled a
Speaker 1: bit more because it's not you know, there have been
Speaker 1: times during the pandemic, right hasn't been safe to have
Speaker 1: large numbers of people and enclosed spaces, so sets have
Speaker 1: had to get really creative with background essays whatever you
Speaker 1: call them. In your country, as it were, um, by
Speaker 1: not having as many, and it really does change how
Speaker 1: you can tell a story and the sort of effect
Speaker 1: that you can have visually, and it you know, moments
Speaker 1: like this where you look and you see, as you said,
Speaker 1: two hundred extras on a boat in the middle of
Speaker 1: the water wouldn't be possible in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: And it really does make a huge difference. Um, so
Speaker 1: thank you. I completely agree essays with that, actually wonderful
Speaker 1: notes with some of the unsung heroes of Torontonian film
Speaker 1: and TV making. We're going to say goodbye to season one. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's it. We've made it all the way through season
Speaker 1: one and next up we've got longer hair, different swords,
Speaker 1: different color hair for you, different colored runs. We've got
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of changes, just kind of right from
Speaker 1: the off. In season two, we get darker and edgier,
Speaker 1: the words that we said over and over and over
Speaker 1: when we were during the press tour for season two,
Speaker 1: darker and edgy, a bloodier um, and we dive right
Speaker 1: into some crazy, crazy action quite literally from the off.
Speaker 1: We got doppelgangers, we've got vampires, amazing Dean cop Coff,
Speaker 1: who's going to get a nod, new stunt coordinators. We
Speaker 1: got all of these different amazing things. But for now
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wait, and I'm sorry about that. Um.
Speaker 1: But as always. Thank you so much for listening, thank
Speaker 1: you for being a part of our journey. Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming along with us. I hope you enjoyed season one.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed us reminiscing about season one and
Speaker 1: talking about season one. UM, if you have any questions
Speaker 1: or thoughts about season one, open line of communication, you know,
Speaker 1: hit us up. We will try and answer or get
Speaker 1: to or at least think about as many as we
Speaker 1: possibly can. But for now we're gonna say goodbye, and
Speaker 1: we love you. Thank you very much. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. We love you, angels, and I
Speaker 1: hope you've enjoyed going down memory Lane and back into
Speaker 1: the Fray as much as we have. See you next season.
Speaker 1: Thank you for turning to the Shadow Shutters. Return to
Speaker 1: the Shadows is hosted and executive produced by Katherine McNamara
Speaker 1: and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Langley. Our senior
Speaker 1: producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Topia, and our producers
Speaker 1: are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia. Original music by Alex
Speaker 1: Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara.