WEBVTT - S1E13 - Morning Star 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.600 Hello Catherine, Hello Dominic, how are you this morning? Good? 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.680 It's not morning time for me, It's almost dinnertime. It's 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.920 early bird special time here in the UK. Well that 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:50.240 just sounds delicious. Yeah, too ready for me. Can you 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.840 believe we've gone through season one already? I know, honestly, 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.720 it just flew by. Well shall we dive in? We 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.440 absolutely should. Today's episode, at long Last, we are dealing 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.280 with the finale of season one, Season one, episode thirteen, 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.360 entitled morning Star. The air date was April five, two 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.399 thousand sixteen, written by Pete Binswanger, one of our absolute favorites, 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.800 directed by another one of our favorites, j miles Dale, 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.280 and here we are in episode season one, episode thirteen, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.759 morning Star. The hunt is on Jace, who is still 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.200 reeling from everything that happened, makes hunting down Valentine his 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.280 number one priority, even though he continues to wrestle with 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.120 his conflicted feelings in hopes of finding a way to 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.240 stop Valentine before it's too late. Clarie and Simon must 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.480 find the key to unlocking Jocelyn's coma. But that key 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.600 to unlocking jocelyn spell made just undo the down world 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.160 or peace treaty, Simon's relationship with Raphael and the vampire 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:50.880 clan in the process, who high stakes? Forgive my high stakes? Interestingly, like, 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:52.680 this is the highest stakes that we've dealt with in 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.040 season one, and you're like, where do you go from here? 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.680 And then we come back with season two and we're like, 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:01.440 we'll show you gets much worse. We'll show gets fun 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.960 Facts about episode thirteen season one. The finale shooting ran 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.640 from September to October ninth, two thousand fifteen. Reshoots for 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.200 the season were filmed after this. Did we have Did 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.680 I have any reshoots? I don't think so, or did 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.640 we We did? We added like four scenes at the 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.679 end that we're throughout the season, and I don't know what. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.120 I don't know if you had any more than just 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.760 pick up shots, but I know I had a whole 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.040 scene with Emerald that was added into like episode five 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.120 or something, and and then Matt had a couple of 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.840 scenes and it was Yeah, it was at the end 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.600 of season one. We had to sort of revisit a 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.040 bunch of stuff because they had the whole season by then, 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.120 and they went, oh, wait, this piece of story is 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.240 missing and we want to connect this relationship a little 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.560 bit more, and we have five extra minutes in this episode, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.919 and it all kind of just wove together beautifully. Wow, 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.520 I had no IDEA morning Star is a reference to 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.480 the meaning of German translation of Clary and Valentine's last 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.480 names Morgan Stern Morgan meaning morning and Stern meaning star. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.080 This family is are so created. Its meaning to the 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.440 Bible verse Isaiah fourteen twelve, which states how art thou 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.440 fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the Morning? How 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.560 art they cut down to the ground, which diss weaken 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.760 the nation's I don't know if I got that right. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.560 I hope I did. The first directly refers to Lucifer, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.360 the fallen Angel. Indeed, it does more on that. In 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:24.800 season three, Clary says that Camille lives in a Leucard apartments, 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:29.600 a Leucard Aleucard his Dracula spelled backwards. No, why did 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:35.040 we not notice this? Not a clue? How did we 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.400 not Clark that? I can imagine he just sitting in 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:42.040 the writer's room like this is my fun little there, Yeah, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:47.839 how funny. Just completely mistakes he did. Yeah, he surely did. 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.480 The only book to screen stuff we can talk about no, 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.400 there's there's actually some really interesting ones in this episode. Um. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.680 I don't know if you got this from the book stamp, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.520 but there actually is a boat that Valentine has his 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.840 sort of arc of the Unholy Covenant as it were, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:09.000 that that is in the second book or I don't 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.080 know if it's Valentine's. It's Valentine's boat, and then I 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.320 think we take it over at some point. I can't remember. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.240 There's a boat, but it's in book two, um, and 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.480 we bring it into this episode and it it should 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.880 have been season two for a for a hot minute, 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:27.640 hot being the key word, and dangerous and just floating 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.719 conductor with the impending lightning storm working its way like 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.720 the fun thing about this So this boat is moored. Uh, well, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.520 actually we should talk about it when we reached the boat. Um, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.440 we'll talk about it. And I think I think next 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.080 episode is better to talk about the book. Very possible. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.280 So the Book of the White. Yes, the Book of 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.520 the White is also directly from the books. And uh, 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.800 there's a similar conversation between Jason Valentine as we've seen 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.240 this episode, um in City of Ashes, which is booked too. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.279 But again, as we've seen in over and over again. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.200 In our series, our writers are very smartly taken key 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.320 moments from the books and key plat points and sort 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.719 of rearranged them and shifted them to make our plot 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.040 more conducive to television. Um, and it makes it more 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.680 exciting for people that know the books cover to cover. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.400 I it does like I've got to do this two 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.800 or three times where you make a choice as a 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.640 character and nobody else is supposed to know your motivations. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.560 The audience is supposed to like draw their own motivations. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.000 Had to do it, and Penny Dreadful I did it 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.679 at the end of Shadow Hunters, and like I remember 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.919 doing press for the finale because we were one of 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.359 the very few Netflix shows that aired episodically, so it 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.320 was week by week we had it wasn't a binge 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.359 watching show. And it was interesting because I got a 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.479 lot of questions when we were doing press about like, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.159 what are your motivations at the end of the season, 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.520 And I was like, that's for me to know. I 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.479 know a miles nose, but that's kind of it, Like 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.040 we and the writers obviously no, but like that's it. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.880 And I got to a similar thinking Penny, which is 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:06.680 really cool. Where like his motives, Kurt's motives were known 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.360 to myself and to John Logan, the showrunner, and that's 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.440 kind of it. And I get asked about it a lot, 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.479 what were his motivations? And I'm like, that's on you. You. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.719 The clues are there if you want to figure it out, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.359 but draw your own assumptions. Any who, without any further 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.640 ado and no more guilding, rely, shall we jump in 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.719 or is there anything I missed? I don't think there's 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.480 anything we missed because a lot of it I think 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.600 is very spoilery. So we don't want to We don't 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.960 want to dive into soon. Yeah. So we started out 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.000 having just come off the shocking realization that none other 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.360 than our beloved hot Hodge stark Weather is, in fact 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:46.920 the traderist of traders, bastard bastard indeed, honestly was he 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.760 thinking it's wrong with you? Well, I mean, if you've been, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:57.360 you know, promised your freedom after decades of being trapped 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.000 in the Institute, I think all of us after the pandemic, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.960 having been trapped in our houses, it's not that bad. 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.479 If he'd have stuck it out till season two. The 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.200 Institute actually got really nice. It wasn't such a nightmare. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.840 In season two, he would have maybe he wouldn't have 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.920 if we'd have left the traitor storyline season two, maybe 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.640 it wouldn't have made sense because they're like, what do 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.800 you mean you're trapped? This place is really nice, Like, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.800 don't worry about it, whereas in season one, you're like, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.520 that place looks a bit of a nightmare. I get it, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.200 but we the shadow Hunters do not yet know that 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:30.400 Hodges the traitor audience knows, but we don't, and Valentine knows, 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.040 and maybe Jocelyn knows because I think she can hear 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.680 while she's unconscious. I can't really remember what we landed 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.360 on with that, but the audience doesn't know. So what 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.520 we are left with, sorry, the audience does know, We 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.600 don't know. Uh, what we're left with is off the 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.800 sort of reeling magnificence of the end of episode eleven 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.920 and twelve, the big drum bombs that are dropped in 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.440 those episodes. Bla la la, I'll get my lines right, um. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.520 Jason Clary are left to talk for the first time. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.800 They have some ship to work through because they were 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.400 falling in love and all of a sudden their brother 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.520 and sister and that's kind of gross. They have to 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.160 discuss it. You, Yeah, Clary sort of drags Jace down 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.320 quasi memory lane. I say quasi because we know what 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:23.160 happens later. But just in case you don't stay with us, Yeah, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.640 Cat tell us about what's going on here. So we're 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.320 in Clary's bedroom and as if there wasn't enough emotional 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.920 bag to deal with, Clari's like, hey, just so you know, um, 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.840 I know you're sink. Our mom abandoned you and threw 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.240 you out like yesterday's garbage, but she didn't. And also, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.520 here's a bunch of your old baby stuff. And now 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.839 they're sitting in Clary's bedroom discussing it. And as with Jace, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.280 he doesn't handle emotional situations very well, so he gets 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:54.080 a bit cross. Well, well, well, I think this is 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.880 somewhat the exception of this. Like he's furious. He's furious 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.240 that he's been lied to, he's furious that is adopted 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.880 parents because they were circle members. He's furious at his 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.679 seemingly legitimate parents because he was abandoned and or raised 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.240 slash tortured through the first ten years of his life. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.040 And as he says, and I agree with him here 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.840 as he says, you know, a little box of trinkets 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.720 doesn't change the fact that you weren't there. Like, oh, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.480 that's well and good that you watched over me from 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.319 a distance, But like I had to deal with all 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.560 this ship on my own, like I was, you weren't there, 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.400 And I understand why he's angry. Also fun little clue 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.280 for the future. Um, we saw the hair right, there 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.920 was a little like lock of hair in that little 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.240 lock of blonde hair. It's the wrong color it is, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:42.240 isn't it, you eagle eyed fans. It's much more I 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.920 want to say, elizabe ethan, but maybe more tutor. Yeah, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.319 I I agree. I think it does have a very 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:56.800 tutor esque hue. Who I thought? So wonder who mute? 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:02.920 Who might? Honestly that sometimes my genius just amazes myself. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:07.400 It's crazy, right, it's crazy. Um, but we have to 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.760 wait a whole another half season before any of those 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.559 questions slash horrible clues that we just dropped get answered. Well, 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.800 our lovely angels, if we gave you all the answers 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.360 right away, there would be no show. We have to 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.600 leave something agreed, So now we go, look, we know 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.120 the Book of the White is in Camille's possession, and 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.640 as much as we all hate her, we got to 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.000 talk to her. So who do we go to but 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:36.600 our resident vampire Bridge, Simon Lewis Simon Lewis, Simon Lewis 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.240 with the answers, which I loved it. In this episode, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.400 Simon gets a chance to you know, even Jace acknowledges 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.320 the fact that he has a role to play in 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.880 this and that you know, we we Simon has a 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:52.640 chance to do something, you know, somewhat begrudgingly, but yeah, totally. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:54.920 He says something here. I can't remember what it is, 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.440 I've watched it earlier, and it makes me laugh. He goes, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.760 you say, like, oh, looking for the Book of the 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.000 Y and we found this clue and you hold it 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.720 the bookmark up and he goes the bookmark of the 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:09.000 White and Jason the back just goes, oh God, I 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.240 hate you, but you are our only chance, so I'm 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.880 gonna let this go. Bed really made me laugh. That 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:21.680 was really funny. Alberto is so good at like but 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.520 Alberto is so good at it, like he knows he 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.160 knows that Simon ryles up Jay Soon we really like 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.680 plays with it, and it's really fun to do that 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.200 stuff with him. But you're right, it's a nice moment 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.960 that we get to acknowledge the new status that that 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.480 Simon has within the down World. He gets to explore 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:47.240 being like a dignitary, almost like an ambassador shadow Hunters 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.079 slash vampire ambassador. And it's a hint at this beginning 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.319 that we see of this generation being the generation of 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.360 shadow Hunters and down worlders. That colin the question all 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.439 the ways that things have been done and the rules 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.440 that have been played by everyone in the down World, 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.040 and it's it's a little little whispered to the future. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.640 Let's of foreshadowing in this episode. My goodness, it's like 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.400 it's a season finale shadowing in this episode. That's what 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.760 I was just about to say, the season finales. That's 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.160 where you've got to start. You've got to start hooking 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:17.920 fishies to bring them back in, you know what I mean, 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.360 You've got to start hooking him. And that's what we're doing. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.720 That's what we're throwing lines out, left, right, and center. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.760 In the first act of this scene with Alec and 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.560 Marri's absolutely breaks my heart because Alec is really trying 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.720 to reach out and even he just gets shut down left, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.440 right and center. You know what's interesting though, is this 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.600 it's just good storytelling, like you need somewhere to go. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.160 Um and if they were both just kind of okay 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.600 with it, there's no conflict. Also, like as terrible as 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.320 it is, like this generational thing, I sort of get 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.400 their position there. It's not what Maris says there which 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.360 is interesting. Um, is it's got. It doesn't matter that 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.079 it's that he's a guy. It doesn't matter that he's 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.640 a male. That doesn't matter to me. The sexuality of 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.720 it doesn't matter to me. What matters is you're dating 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.200 like this grand lothario that everyone in the in the 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.160 world has heard of. And I sort of get that 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:13.720 from a mother's point of view, I sort of get 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.360 this like protective, But then I guess she's not being 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.440 as protective of her son as she is the name, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.360 the Lightwood name, which is a little dastardly, But I 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.559 choose to think that she's trying to protect him because 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.920 that's sort of where we end up with her story. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.120 I think she probably is. I just think she can't 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.120 admit it yet, you know what I mean, Like there's 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.680 a bit of her that she can't quite just needs 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.439 a little time. And as you know, Robert Lightwood smartly says, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.760 which all of our parentals come become very questionable in 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.720 the future. I'm just get bits of story back to me. 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.920 But then, but the question is Lydia is missing. Yes, 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.960 poor Lydia has gone somewhere. We the audience know, We 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.760 the audience know, but she fucking dumb shadow hunters don't 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.520 know because we never know what's going on or where 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.760 anybody is constantly losing people and things, and the most 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:07.880 important items in the shadow world just go missing. So Alec, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.280 the hero that he is, is on the hunt, as 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.840 it were, poor lost lady Lydia, and he finds her 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:20.000 not only unconscious but missing the Mortal Cup, the most 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.480 important of the instruments that we have Slash no of 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.400 because one of them we don't even know, right. We 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.440 don't know what the mirror is, you know, we don't 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.680 know what the mirror is. And the sword I think 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.960 we know it exists, but it's no one really knows. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.080 We don't know it's an instrument. Yeah, we don't really 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.280 know where it is at this point, Like these instruments 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.760 are kept under Lack and Key brothers have it. Oh, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.960 that's right, that is the sword. So the sword is 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.040 kept because they poked you in the face in the 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.760 episode two. That's right. And yeah, so we know where 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.360 the sword is and but it's kept under Lack and Key. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.960 The cup has been missing forever, but now we have it, 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.440 and now you know Big Bad has it. And the 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.560 mirror is a bit of a legend at this point. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.080 It's no one really knows if it exists or what 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.120 it actually is, to be figured out later on in 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.120 season two. Indeed, we have lydia utter Any thanks to 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:14.560 a graciously graciously placed painting. One of those one of 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.960 those fortuitous things. I love how we're all still dressed 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.840 for the wedding. It's so funny. It's like, you know, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.520 we never see the Shadow Hunters stopped to shower or 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.640 eat or cheated. We do see them eat once, but 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.040 not until season three. We do. We had a breakfast 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.080 scene in season three, that's right, and I think the 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.920 only I think that's why they only put it in once, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.600 because it was a disaster, Like they kept feeding me bacon. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.320 We're gonna get Drew Potter in at some point, who 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.840 was a camera operator and I he was. I could 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.200 see him like chuckling behind the camera because I had 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.600 a real issue with I was like talking and I 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.480 just couldn't get bacon in my mouth for some reason. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.840 I've been doing it for you know, almost thirty years 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.560 at this point, and I just couldn't get it in 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.480 my face. So I kept missing and dropping bits and 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.160 then they'd have to come and wipe like bacon off. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.920 It was a whole night, probably why we didn't do 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.800 very many eating scenes. But here we are, back at 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.560 the monitor. We've got is on the on the case, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.800 trying to figure out clickity clack, where Valentine is and 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.200 what actually happened because we know Hodges missing, and this 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:18.280 is where all Hodges missing? Whoa do we know Hodges missing? 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.520 Yet we know no one? We must Yeah, we know 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.360 no one has seen him and we can't find There 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.080 we go. We did a little I assume there's some 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:26.960 kind of inner Colm got it. There we go, you know, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:34.560 paging Hodge to the missions control center, paging Hodge to um, Yeah, right, 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.520 that's how it works. He sure didn't, I think so? Yeah, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.400 I mean it's never really been alluded to. We just 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.840 sort of turn up where we needed. But yeah, then 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.040 we get to see, you know, a badass John Core 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.680 doing this thing. Unfortunately for nefarious reasons. This was one 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.200 of my favorite episodes with him because we we got 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.560 to like watch him train a couple of times, but 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.760 I wasn't part of it, And then I wasn't there 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.920 the day with the Forsaken either, because I was off 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:02.200 somewhere else doing a Jason and John is. John came 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.200 in as this like incredibly talented martial artist, and I 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.600 know for a fact since then has has progressed even 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.399 further as a gymnast and as martial artist. But he 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.439 it like got to like I got to play with 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.560 him for the first time in this episode and it 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.359 was like, Wow, I'm really being put through my place 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.720 paces here like this. This guy's really talented. But we 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.359 get to touch on the sea the ring, which we 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.040 talked about last episode, like wait, how did he get 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.800 the ring? Oh? Wait a minute. As always is the 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.800 case of Valentine, nothing happens by a mistake. That random 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.720 forsaken attack not a mistake. The fact that he was 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.080 so easy to take down also not a mistake. It 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.439 was all planned and he wasn't even that easy. It 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.040 was actually quite difficult. He leveled the challenge for the 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.919 amount and the talent of shadow Hunters that was inside 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:57.439 the institute. And there it is, fights forsaken steals a ring. Hodge, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.600 how could you, buddy? How could you it too? We 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.679 loved you, man, I mean, we all know from this 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.280 last couple of years that you trapped someone in a 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.680 house for too long. We all go a little stir crazy, 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.280 make decisions that we maybe regret. Who knows. Yeah, well 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.560 there's stir crazy, and then there's giving the nuclear launch 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.480 codes to Hitler, you know what I mean. Like, there's 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.240 a balance there, and I think Hodge stepped over the 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.119 line personally. I don't know if Valentine is a Hitler. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.720 I don't know if that's a parallel we want to 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:50.000 make here, but not big bad, big bad key. Yeah, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.360 And here we are at the boat. Fucking boat, this boat. Man. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.000 So here's what you should know about the boat. There's 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.280 so much happened on this but so much happens on 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.119 this boat. So yeah, must have been at the end 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.000 of this season and at the beginning of season one 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.399 it was hot. So the top of this boat is 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.880 like a big just a big like a radiating Well 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.480 this was October, oh so this was this was the 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.320 cold day. This is when it was really golden. It 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:18.400 was cold, right, remember hearing that wasn't there that day. Yeah, 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.560 it's very very cold. But interestingly, so this shot where 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.919 we come up and the boat is on is moored 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.520 at the at the dark. That's how the boat always is. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.680 It's decommissioned, it doesn't it doesn't sail anymore ever. Um 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.320 so the boat is always in one place. Whenever you 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.280 see that boat out in the water, it's fully c 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.240 g I. They just put it out there. So we 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:42.760 had and it was a whole of the boat was 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.800 a whole nightmare. When you had to get two background on. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.399 There was literally one little staircase up theside, which you 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.000 can actually see in the shop when you see the 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:50.880 big wide of the boat. That was the only way 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.040 to get on and off this boat. It was freezing 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.399 cold and it's it's I was going to say parked, 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.960 it's not parked. It's moored on one of the great lakes, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.480 Lake Ontario, which is this massive, massive like it looks 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.919 like an ocean massive. So you are just completely at 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.960 the mercy of the elements, like, if it was raining, 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:10.920 you're gonna get rained on. If it's snowing, you're gonna 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.200 get snowed on. And as we find out in season two, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.399 if lightnings are coming, you just get to watch lightning 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.200 are coming and you get to see it get closer 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.760 and closer. Just a bit of something. I noticed, this 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.159 is a giant vat of blood that Valancine has just 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.399 just sitting just sitting on there. Does it have to 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:33.720 be angel blood? I think it does. I mean, that's 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.880 a bit of a thing. But I never thought about 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.240 that's I mean, maybe it's deluded angel blood because that's 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.600 a lot of it's a lot of blood. It's a 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.840 lot of blood. But also Valentine's killed a lot of 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.480 shadow Hunters, so that kind of makes sense. That's true, 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.399 and I guess you couldn't exaglinate person you kill. He 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.160 also says, which I think was quite fun in this scene. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.040 He says, I'm going to use this cup to purify 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.360 this blood, and it goes like a yellow ea color, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.879 and I'm like, I don't know if that's pure. I 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:01.880 don't know if that's better, Like if my Britta filter 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.480 purified my water and it went yellow. I'd be like, mm, 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.080 excuse me, refund please, this is not probably time to 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.960 change the filter at that. But this is so this 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.960 This really speaks to Allan's kind of prowess at playing 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:20.160 just a great nuanced villain. But there's such a brutality 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.280 to Valentine and such a cunning to him as a 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.119 battle strategist because yeah, he's yeah, Hodge has provided him 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.200 the key that he needs, all well and good, but 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.960 he owes Hodge nothing in his mind because Hodges found 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:35.679 to be a trader and known to be a trader. 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.840 So why would you want a trader on your team 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.200 if the thing isn't they have this like the bad guys. 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:45.679 I've always said in Anything and I, my favorite movies 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.760 with a villain are the ones whether like you there's 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.680 a part of you that kind of agrees with the villain, 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.640