1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: let's start with. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: to Coast AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons. 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: We now know that our loved ones. 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: Have survived physical death and so will we Welcome to 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife. We've heard of NDEs that's near 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: death experiences, but have you ever heard of an SDE 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: that is a shared death experience? Today you'll hear from 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: William Peters, author of the book At Heaven's Door, what 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: Shared Journeys to the Afterlife teach about dying well and 24 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 3: living better. You can find out more at Sharedcrossing dot com. 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: Here's William Peters. 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: I am a psycho therapist by training. I work at 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: the Family Therapy Institute in Santa Barbara, California. I'm a 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: senior staff member there. I specialize in end of life 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: counseling and I also have worked as a trans personal 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: a psychotherapist. And that is that people with spiritual issues 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: premiere relating to extraordinary experiences. Currently, our medical system and 32 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: healthcare system doesn't have an accurate perception of what's really 33 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: going on for people. I shall also say I am 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: an experience or I had two near death experiences myself 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: and also worked in hospice for a good period of time. 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: So everything I'm sharing with you today I have personal 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: experience with as well as a good deal research on it. 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: So with dat, I want to introduce the Shared Crossing 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Project and its research initiative and the study we recently 40 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: have published. I'm going to introduce shared death experience. We 41 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: call those SDE typologies. These are the first typologies that 42 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: have ever been presented back by rigorous academic research. There 43 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: seems to be a force during a transition that we 44 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: see in the SD that tends to be managing the 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: transition of souls from this human life into an afterlife. 46 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: So here's the Shared Crossing Project. I started this project 47 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: in eleven to transform people's relationships to death and dying 48 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: through education and raising awareness about these shared crossing experiences 49 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: and their healing benefits. Doctor Monica Williams is a medical 50 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: director and she is an emergency department physician, so she 51 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: looks at this from a very medical perspective. We have 52 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: doctor Michael Kinsella. He has a PhD in Religious studies 53 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: and cognitive sciences and he's our chief of research. And 54 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: then you have me as the director and principal investigator, 55 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: and I come at this from a mental health background, 56 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: so you see, we really try to cover it from 57 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: a variety of different disciplinary angles. We collect and he 58 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: analyze these shared crossing accounts. It's all about the therapeutic benefits. 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: We would not be doing this work based on just 60 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: the fascination or stimulation of the phenomena because it is 61 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: absolutely spellbinding and onspiring the phenomena, but we're not so 62 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: much interested in that. We are interested in the therapeutic 63 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: value the way this improves people's quality of life and 64 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: their relationships with their loved ones. We advocate for education 65 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: about shared crossings, and we provide education about shared crossings. 66 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: So generally, speaking of shared crossing is an end of 67 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: life phenomena that suggests loving communication across the veil, an 68 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: ongoing connection with our departed loved ones. My talk today 69 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: is really about the shared death experience, but all these 70 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: other experiences come up, and they're all quite frankly, very meaningful, 71 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: and in many ways sit outside of our understanding from 72 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: a healthcare perspective of what's possible for the human experience. 73 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: So the first is pre depth premonitions. This is knowing 74 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: in advance that you or someone you love are going 75 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: to die. These can happen years in advance, but we 76 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: see them mostly a few months in advance. Pre death 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: visions and visitations. These are well known in the field 78 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: of psychotherapy and anthropology and religious studies. These are visions 79 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: or visitations from the deceased or spirit beings who come 80 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: to the dying to tell them your time is coming. 81 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: Get ready. We're going to be here for you. We're 82 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: waiting for you, but get ready to begin this journey. 83 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: We see pre death and at death and after death 84 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: synchronicities of all kinds. Take a post death situation where 85 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: your relative has died, a love what has died. You're 86 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: driving in your car and you hear a song come 87 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: on and you think of your loved one, and then 88 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: you say to yourself, Wow, that's his favorite song. And 89 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: then his second favorite song comes on, and then you say, wow, 90 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: if I hear this song, then I know he's talking 91 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: to me. And his third favorite song comes on. No, 92 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: that comes right out of our research. We have people 93 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: who literally say, when I'm thinking of my loved one, 94 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: this music comes on. And other experiences like electrical phenomena 95 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: are extremely common. So you may see digital displays, ovens, 96 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: clock radios, car displays, what have you, flash birth dates, 97 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: anniversaries with frequencies that go far above the reasonable probability, 98 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: and so the sense of coincidence is logically replaced by 99 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: a sense of this is synchronistic. There's more going on 100 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: here than just chance. There's a whole group of researchers 101 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: who are saying that at the time of death and 102 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: around death, there are supernatural experiences, unexplainable that seem to 103 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: suggest something beyond what we would call normal. And what 104 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: we call that is a shared crossing, a sense that 105 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: our deceased level are trying to reach out to us. Okay, 106 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: moving on terminal lucidity. These are physiologically unexplainable behaviors at 107 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: the end of life. So persons with Alzheimer's who have 108 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: been unresponsive for months suddenly a few hours or days 109 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: before they actually transition, open their eyes, look around the room, 110 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: and recount to their loved ones. In other words, they 111 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: say to a grandson, Hey, how's your baseball team doing? 112 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: Because I know that you guys are doing better than 113 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: you thought. And I'm so sorry to hear that Johnny 114 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: hurt himself in the game last week. And You're like, what, Grandma, 115 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: we thought you were unconscious, And in fact, terminal lucidity 116 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: suggests that the dying in this case with Alzheimer's seems 117 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: to have a consciousness that's very much aware of the 118 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: people in his or her life. The direct post deaf communication. 119 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: These are communications that happened soon after the death of 120 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: a loved one where the experiencer that being the surviving 121 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: loved one, will say, I know, I was just thinking 122 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: about the funeral, for example, and all of a sudden, 123 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: my mother's voice came into my mind, saying, I think 124 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: your need to seat Uncle Harry next to Aunt Marge. 125 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: And by the way, when you give your eulogy, I 126 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: want you to talk about the times we had in 127 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: Hawaii together. The experience says, it was like my deceased 128 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: loved one was in my mind answering questions I didn't 129 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: even know I had. And then we have post that 130 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: visions and visitations, and these are very common. I'd say 131 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: about forty percent of all persons who get interviewed in 132 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: grief and breathment report that they feel that their deceased 133 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: loved one has visited them, either visually or in some 134 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: significant way. The most common way we see in our 135 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: research is the deceased appear at the foot of the 136 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: surviving loved one's bed or up in the ceiling. They 137 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: look younger, they're vital, and they come with a very 138 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: clear message. You see that I'm alive and well, I 139 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: love you. Go on with your life. I'll help and 140 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: I will see you again. And these are what we 141 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: see in our visitation. The Spectrum of under life Experiences 142 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: was recently published in the OMEGA, the Journal of Death 143 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: and Dying. This is the leading academic journal in the 144 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: world on pretty much anything having to do with death 145 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: and dying, but it tends to be focused on death 146 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: education and hospice care, and we submitted this as a 147 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: tool for advancing death education to be used in hospice, 148 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: in gerontology, to be used wherever people are dying, and 149 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: we suggest it should be used well in advance, but 150 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: our culture is not quite ready for that. This is 151 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: where our research goes and we support the growing understanding 152 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: for these phenomena. So what's a share death experience. It's 153 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: an experience in which a loved one, caregiver, a bystander 154 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: feels that they're sharing in the dying person's transition and 155 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: into a benevolent afterlife. Now I use the term benevolent 156 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: because that's what comes out in our research, expressed in 157 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: different ways. A glorious afterlife, a realm that I couldn't 158 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: even imagine, so beautiful. I felt like I was one 159 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: with everyone. These are the terms we hear to describe 160 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: what our share death experiencers report during their journey into 161 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: the afterlife the initial stages of the afterlife with their 162 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: departing loved ones. The dominant motif is journey. The themes 163 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: are love and understanding. This heightened sense of awareness or 164 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: wisdom or consciousness that's often expressed as when I was 165 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: in that state, I had answers to all of my questions, 166 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: I knew the meaning of life and the deepest mysteries 167 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: of the universe. Relationships appear to be central. That is 168 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: to say, the bond between the share death experiencer and 169 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: the dying is really important. Typically, this is why I 170 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: loved ones how these experiences, but we all so see 171 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: hospice workers who bond deeply with their patients in their 172 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: moment of need, who also have the share death experience. 173 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: The features are almost identical to the near death experience. 174 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: Both the SD and the ND are looking at the 175 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: same landscape, the same afterlife or initial stages of the 176 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: afterlife geography. What's different is the vantage point. The share 177 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: death experiencer is not having a brush with death. They 178 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: are hitching a ride with the dying, and they are 179 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: viewing the initial stages of the afterlife as shown to 180 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: them in the journey being experienced by the person who's dying. 181 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: NDE experiencers are actually having an experience of a brush 182 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: with death. They're leaving their physical body and they're entering 183 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: into the next dimension. The share death experience is completely 184 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: different in terms of the status in the health of 185 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: the experiencer. To be clear, the SDE experiencer is healthy 186 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: in mind and body. They are simply at the bedside 187 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: or remote. Most of our cases are remote at the 188 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: time of death of a loved one. We published the 189 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: first academic article ever in medical sciences and we were 190 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: quite honestly blessed and fortunate that the leading journal known 191 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: as the American Journal of Hospice and palladi Medicine published 192 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: our research on the sd I was quite frankly blown 193 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: away by the responses of the reviewers because the reviewers 194 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: said things like, thank you for conducting this research. We 195 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: all know these experiences happened, but no one was ever 196 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: able to up to this point gather enough cases. And 197 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: we suspect this is going to open up more research 198 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: in an aspect of hospice and palliative care that has 199 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: been lacking in attention. 200 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to take a moment here we're going to 201 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: go to our break and when we get back, well, 202 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: here's some examples and research of these shared death experiences. 203 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: How we might be able to hitch a ride with 204 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: our loved one and see what they see when they 205 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: depart from this life. We'll be right back. You're listening 206 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 207 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 208 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Let's continue with William 209 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: Peters talking about shared death experiences. 210 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: Most previous work done by primarily doctor Raymond Moody, found 211 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,479 Speaker 1: that SDEs were bedside phenomena. 212 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: Well. 213 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: Our research suggested that almost two thirds sixty four percent 214 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: occurred remotely. That means not at bedside, down the hall, 215 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: across town, other side of the globe. Here's another fascinating finding. 216 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent, more than two thirds of our respondents 217 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: engaged in some type of meditative activity. So this suggests 218 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: that meditation, prayer, contemplation, yoga, consistent practices of being in 219 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: nature as well helped or seem to enable the SD. 220 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: We need to keep that in mind. There are two 221 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: types of SDEs there's bedside and then there's remote. There 222 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: are two subtypes, and this is fascinating because the time 223 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: of death does not seem to be required to have 224 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: an SDE. In other words, about nine percent of our 225 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: SDEs happened a few moments, hours, and a few cases 226 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: a day or two in front of the actual medically 227 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: determined time of death that is stopping of heart, con 228 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: cessation of brainway. We also have another fourteen percent that 229 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: happened after death a few minutes, hours, and in some 230 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: cases a few days. We also have gradual SDEs, which 231 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: happen over hours and in some cases days and seem 232 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: to ebb and flow, so time seems not to be 233 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: a determining factor in the SDE. We also have more 234 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: than one person having an SDE. We call this some 235 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: multi person SDE, so you can imagine family members at bedsides, 236 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: family members of another part of the world having an 237 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: sd as well near or at the time of death. 238 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: And the SDE phenomena can be similar, but it can 239 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: also be a bit vary. What is the actual experience 240 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: of the SD experiencer. There are four basic modes that 241 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: are non exclusive. There's remotely sensing at a distance, there's 242 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: witnessing unusual phenomena, there's accompanying the dying, and there's assisting 243 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: the dying and transitioning. The first is sensing the death. 244 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: This is twenty five percent of our cases. This is 245 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: brief thoughts, feelings, a sense of presence of the time 246 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: of death, and also a sudden onset of sympathetic physical symptoms. 247 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: Don is going to be sharing an sd she had 248 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: with her son, very sad situation. Sean was going to 249 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: get married. He was struck by a car and died. 250 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: But listen to Don describe what she experienced at the 251 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: moment of death of her Sunshine. 252 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 5: I truly had the physical symptoms, being nauseated, almost passed out, 253 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 5: couldn't see, took off my glasses, everything went black. 254 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: Then it came back right away. 255 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: Just happened so fast. 256 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 5: But within four minutes, I'm getting a phone call that 257 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 5: he was hit. 258 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: And then just right after that, Oh my. 259 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 5: Gosh, that's so weird. I felt what happened, had a premonition. 260 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 5: I felt my kid the moment he died. And I 261 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 5: always say, if I don't get any other blessings, I'm okay, 262 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 5: because I have this blessing that I think really truly 263 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 5: has helped me walk a different path, a better healing path, 264 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 5: a more coping path. 265 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: So there you hear don really giving a powerful testimony 266 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: really to this sense that at the moment of death 267 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: or soon after, she felt her son Sean leave this 268 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: earth and she felt an energetic She has a little 269 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: bit more detail in other parts of the interview, but 270 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: she basically feels like Sean kind of went through her 271 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: and left his body. This is what we call sensing 272 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: a death at a distance. It's the most basic, if 273 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: you will, type of sde but the experiencer has a 274 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: sense that someone they know and care about has died, 275 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: and it's an energetic it says felt sense. And the 276 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: term we here all the time is I just knew, 277 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: I just knew, I had a knowing that my loved 278 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: one had died. The second type of mode of participation 279 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: is witnessing unusual phenomena. Eighty four percent of our participants, 280 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: in terms of our interviewees express some of these phenomena, 281 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: and the most common one being the vision of the dying. 282 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: So that is that the share death experiencer sees the dying, 283 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: primarily sees the dying, not just senses the dying. That 284 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: would be mode of participation number one. No, this is 285 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: a visual capturing or witnessing of the dying moving along 286 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: this journey in the afterlife. So we're going to listen 287 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: now to Sally Light. This case is a very specific 288 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: type of phenomena. She's going to be seeing the spirit 289 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: of her mother departing from her mother's body, and she's 290 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: right at bedside. Sally gives a really beautiful description of this. 291 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: So let's listen and we'll come back on the flip side. 292 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 4: This membranous thing come away from the whole periphery of 293 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: her body. It was defined and as it came apart, 294 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 4: coming up from the body to fill this thing was 295 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 4: like this gray stuff. And I say stuff because you 296 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 4: know foggy. No, it had a little more particulate stuff 297 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: to it. It was something in this form at this time, 298 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 4: solid enough that it was still in a three dimensional 299 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 4: thing for me to see. So it moved though, it 300 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 4: congealed slowly came together around her and this membrane and 301 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 4: I think this well had to be three dimensional, but 302 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: I could only see two dimensions in this thing. So 303 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 4: this membrane opened and started going up towards the corner, 304 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 4: like a feather edge. The grayish stuff started going up 305 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 4: with the tunnel. I called it a tunnel. And as 306 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 4: it started to go up, the rest started to follows 307 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: more solid. Now I'm picturing the room. I'd say about 308 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 4: halfway up to that corner, it started going a little 309 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: faster from the body and a little less fast up 310 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 4: to the corner where it started to disappear. It just 311 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 4: kept going up, and soon it was all out of 312 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 4: her body and almost all disappeared at the top until 313 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 4: the very last bit went just went up fast. Once 314 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 4: she's up in the corner there, I'm looking up there, 315 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 4: just I know she's up there, and I feel this 316 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: love come into my body. It just was so wonderful, 317 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 4: pour it into my body. It just was love and 318 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: filled me totally, and I smiled, and I know I 319 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: was extremely happy, extremely happy. After a while, she came 320 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: back to me and she sent me a message. It 321 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: wasn't just the love that I felt before. It was different. 322 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 4: It was like, oh, I am soul full of joy. 323 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: I'm so happy this is her, and I felt that 324 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 4: I felt her. 325 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: So Sally does a really eloquent job of sharing her 326 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: relationship with what she calls a membranous grayish structure that 327 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: we call in the research kind of manifestation or representation 328 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: of soul spirit leaving body. And she follows it up 329 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: the wall, up to the ceiling, and then she has 330 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 1: a relationship, a communication contact with her mother. But the 331 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: substrate of this relationship is love. What she knows her 332 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: mother's feeling, because her mother's kind of communicates to her 333 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: energetically that she's so happy and so filled with joy. 334 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: So this is a second mode of participation. This is 335 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: the sense of experiencing or witnessing or feeling these profound 336 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: phenomena associated with death. The third to participation, and this 337 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: is accompanying the dying into the afterlife. What really happens 338 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: is the shared death experiencer now participates in this journey 339 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: accompanying the dying, and they are often in a visionary realm, 340 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: a heavenly realm, and they're progressing along with the dying 341 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: on this journey. And the key themes here are ascension 342 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: are movement, typically upwards and towards a light. The landscape 343 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: is almost always beautiful. It can be more earthly landscapes 344 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: of meadows and pastors, that's the most common thing we 345 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: see as meadows and pastors with forests heading into the forest. 346 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: We also see galactical realms, galaxy realms. But they also 347 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: have this sense while they're accompanying the dying of acquiring 348 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: special types of knowledge insight into the nature of reality. 349 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: More than anything else, this accompanying with the dying provides 350 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: this acquiring a special knowledge. There's also a border of 351 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: boundary by which the experiencer is not able to pass through, 352 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: but of course the dying does. They do transgress that 353 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: and of course do not return to their human life. 354 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: So this case is a really vivid one, vivid because 355 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: it's described very well by Cynthia. Cynthia's gonna be talking 356 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: about experience she had with her husband. This happened about 357 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes after her husband had actually died. Through 358 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: medical terms, he stopped breathing, but she's meditating right next 359 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: to his body. 360 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 6: So I remember lifting up out of my body and 361 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 6: then taking my husband his name was Shara, by the 362 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 6: hand and pulling him up, and then I pulled him 363 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 6: up past me, and then he pulled me up past him. 364 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 6: And we kept doing that for a long time, and 365 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 6: the sensation was very freeing. He was fully intact, you know, 366 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 6: he wasn't mentally compromised. Then is no sensation of constraint 367 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 6: or discomfort from anybody's body. And then I saw the light, 368 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 6: and you know, and it's not like a pinpoint light. 369 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: It's a huge light. 370 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 6: And we both turned towards it and went towards it, 371 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 6: and then his mother appeared. The experience of the light, 372 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 6: there was a complete wholeness sensation for me, a lot 373 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 6: of freedom, you know, any of my own psychology wasn't there. 374 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 6: And then his mother reached to him, and then he 375 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 6: reached to her and he looked it was still holding 376 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 6: my hand, and he looked back at me and said, 377 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 6: but I want to stay with you, and then he 378 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 6: slipped away, and I think that was it. 379 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't remember too much after that. So Cynthia describes 380 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: our third mode of participation, in which she actually accompanies 381 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: her husband Shah Indian initial stages of the afterlife once 382 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: again main themes ascension, moving towards the light. With Cynthia, 383 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: she's more of a research in geology actually is her specialty, 384 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: so she's more scientifically oriented. So she's a little uncomfortable 385 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: with more of these, you know, kind of new age 386 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: thoughts if you will, about the afterlife. And then Cynthia 387 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 1: sees Shar's mother, so this is a vision of a 388 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: deceased relative in the afterlife. And then she hands off 389 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: Shar in a certain way. We call this the handoff, 390 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: when the shared of experiencer hands off the departing love 391 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: one to another loved one in the afterlife. So yeah, 392 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: beautiful case. And it's very similar to the next mode 393 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: of participation. 394 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: It's time for our break, but there's so much more 395 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: coming up with my friend William Peters and the Shared 396 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: Death Experience. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 397 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 398 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 399 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: and our topic today has Shared Death Experiences SDEs with 400 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: our guest William Peters. And yes, it's possible that we 401 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: can see loved ones greeting our loved one as they pass. 402 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: Let's continue the next mode of participation which we're going 403 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: to go into, which is assisting the dying, very similar 404 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: to accompaniment, but the participants or the sde experiencers report 405 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: that they felt like they were called in to help 406 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: assist or guide the dying in the transition, and in 407 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: many cases, the SDE experiencer finds themselves in the afterlife 408 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: with their departing dying loved one, and then they realize 409 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: they're there to help, but they may not even have 410 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: any idea how to help, and the wisdom and knowledge 411 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: for how to assist comes to them in that moment. Now, 412 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: Mark is actually in New Jersey, having just finished a 413 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: week of having led a group of people in a 414 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: kind of outdoor education program. He's in the passenger seat 415 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: and tired and reflecting. When he has this experience, he 416 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: knows his father is not doing well in a hospital 417 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: in Canada, but he doesn't know that his father's dying 418 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: at this moment. 419 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 7: You know, there's that connection that we have with other 420 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 7: people that we love, you know, Like in particular with 421 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 7: my father, I had that connection and I still do. 422 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: Right. 423 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 7: I could feel my father as like I need to 424 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 7: check in on him, so I sent my spirit to 425 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 7: the hospital where I knew he was. I remember going 426 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 7: to him as bedside and speaking to him and saying, 427 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 7: you know, Dad, why don't you just let go Mom's 428 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 7: going to be all right, all his kids are going 429 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 7: to be all right. You know, you can go like 430 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 7: there's nothing holding you here anymore. 431 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: And he looks at me. 432 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 7: Huzzle was in his face as he said, I don't 433 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 7: know how I knew right away. As soon as I 434 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 7: was there with my dad, picked him up. I started 435 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 7: that meditation, you know, walking down this particular trail, then 436 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 7: a certain point turn and step up these stairs and 437 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 7: walking towards the light. So we're walking side by side, 438 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 7: and I took him to the light. My father and 439 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 7: my grandmother had a really really close and beautiful and 440 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 7: amazing magical relationship. As we got close to the light, 441 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 7: hand there's like a door where the numinosity of the 442 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 7: light coming out of there was just unbelievable. And my 443 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 7: grandmother steps out of that light and she's standing there 444 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 7: and my dad look out of his face was just 445 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 7: so peaceful and beautiful. 446 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: And as we approached the light, my. 447 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 7: Grandmother and my uncle both first my grandmother stepped out 448 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 7: of the light and they were very very close. So 449 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 7: again that's the look of joy in his face when 450 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 7: he saw my grandmother was just like the look I 451 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 7: had seen in his face in years, years and years, 452 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 7: and he just went and hugged her and hugged her. 453 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 7: And my uncle came out of the light at that 454 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 7: point and he joined the fray and the three of 455 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 7: them did joy. 456 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Was just unbelievable. 457 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 7: And none of them touched me. Clearly, I wasn't part 458 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 7: of that group, but you know, my job was done. 459 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 7: I brought my dad there and now like they had it, 460 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 7: it was really how it felt, and they didn't speak 461 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 7: to me either. And then my dad he just turns 462 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 7: and looks me and it's just a huge smile on 463 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 7: his face and just said, I didn't know that it 464 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 7: was this eazy. I woke the next morning and the 465 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 7: phone rang and it was for me, and I answered 466 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 7: the phone as my brother and he said, you know, 467 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 7: Dad passed away, and I said, yeah, I know. 468 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: So Mark shares an experience with his father. This is 469 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: a remote sde. It is the fourth mode of participation, 470 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: which we call guiding the dying through the transition process. 471 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: You see a number of key themes here. One is 472 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: that obviously Mark sees his father clearly. He then is 473 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: communicating with his father dialogue in the afterlife here, and 474 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: he understands his father needs help because his father expresses 475 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: that he doesn't know how to do the transition, and 476 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: Mark begins to help him. Mark picks him up, as 477 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: he says, and he starts walking, and notice the way 478 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: that he's walking. He talks about walking upward. We see 479 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: the theme of ascension again. We also see the theme 480 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: of moving towards the light because Mark's grandmother comes out 481 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: of that light appears, and then there's this reunion between 482 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: Mark's father and his grandmother. Keep in mind what's interesting 483 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: here is Mark is not seeming to have much of 484 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: a dialogue or conversation with the deceased relatives. This is 485 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: very common. The focus is almost always on conducting the 486 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: transition and all that appears in the afterlife in terms 487 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: of spirit beings and deceased relatives are focused on this 488 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: great event of facilitating the transition and lovingly welcoming the 489 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: dying home in a certain way. The embrace that Mark 490 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: describes between his father and his father's mother is just 491 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: so filled with joy and love and it's beautiful. And 492 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: then the uncle, another deceased relative, comes out and also 493 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: joins in the welcoming. We call this a type of 494 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: welcoming party, very common in the share death experience, and 495 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: then Mark says that they go into the light, but 496 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: he realizes he can't go any further. In fact, as 497 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: he's observing this, he realizes he's at the end of 498 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: his line, and he even says, I'm kind of don't 499 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do, and he's back in 500 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: his body. So profound experience. That's our fourth mode of participation, 501 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: and now we're going to go into the after effect. So, 502 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: as I've said all along, the value in the st 503 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: for all its spectacular phenomena, is dwarfed by the positive 504 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: after facts, money of which are therapeutically beneficial. These are 505 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: unsolicited responses. So sixty seven percent over two thirds believe 506 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: that their loved one is alive, and well eighty seven 507 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: percent we're convinced of an afterlife, and they often came 508 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: out of nowhere just saying I'm absolutely convinced. I know 509 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: that's a term we hear all the time. I know 510 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: there's an afterlife. And in fact they often say things like, oh, 511 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: that realm I was in is more real than this 512 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: human existence, Like this human existence is a dream. It 513 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: sits inside the greater reality of that afterlife dimension I 514 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: was in. We also find that almost just seventy sixty 515 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: nine percent exactly express a grief process, a process of 516 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: grief that is more beneficial or more enhanced than a 517 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: typical grief. Now, as a psychotherapist, I did this assessment 518 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: because I know what typical grief processes are, and I 519 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: ask certain questions, and what we realize is that our 520 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: SD experiencers were expressing grief patterns that were while they 521 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: had a heartache and were breft at the loss of 522 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: a loved one, they also had a larger context of 523 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: meaning and understanding to hold the loss in, and so 524 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: their grief reconciliation as we call it, was much improved. 525 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: The next element we hear is fifty two percent reported 526 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: reduced fear of death. I am sure that's much higher. 527 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: It's closer to eighty ninety percent, but we didn't ask 528 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: that question specifically, And for those of you who do 529 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: near death experience research, you'll know that is a key 530 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: finding as an impact of NDEs as a reduction in 531 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: fear and anxiety about death, renewed life purpose. This is 532 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: something we thought was fascinating that often our respondents would say, 533 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: you know, I came back from that experience, and I 534 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: changed everything. I felt like my life had meaning. I 535 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: understood why I was in this life. I changed my work. 536 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: I reviewed my relationships and I let go of relationships 537 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: that weren't meaningful to me, and I focused on other 538 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: new relationships or deepening others. And so we call this 539 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: renewed life purpose. The key after effect also is this 540 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: sense that people are sure, they're certain they're going to 541 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: see their loved one again. So here's the cutting edge 542 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: of the research right now. We have not published on 543 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: this yet, but this is an aspect of the SD 544 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: that I find the most fascinating. It seems that there 545 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: is a force in the afterlife, or at least at 546 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: the moment of transition, that is guiding, managing, and facilitating 547 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: this process of a soul departing or dropping a human 548 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: body and entering into the initial stages of the afterlife. 549 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: In other words, it's the continuation of consciousness beyond human death, 550 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: and it appears to take some management. And that's the conductor. 551 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: That's the term I named, because they seem like they're 552 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: conducting a variety of influences or forces or elements to 553 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: make this transition smooth and peaceful. So The conductor appears 554 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: in a variety of forms. It can appear as a human, 555 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: a larger than life human. Typically, it can also appear 556 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: as an angel. And sometimes the conductor is not seen, 557 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: its sensed. It's like I felt there was a force 558 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: operative there. I felt like there was some other energy 559 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: that was managing or driving this process of transition. The 560 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: conductor when scene seems to have a sense of urgency. 561 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: It's purposeful. It can rush, it can direct other spirit 562 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: beings around it, or a can even give directions to 563 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: the loved ones. Angela H. She is with her mother 564 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: in law, and she is at bedside when two angels appear, 565 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: one larger and the second seeming to be what I 566 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: would call an apprentice learning how to be a conductor 567 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: of sorts. 568 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: I'll read to you the story of Angela H because 569 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 3: the sound quality isn't so great. My mother in law, Jean, 570 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 3: was completely unconscious and on heavy medication. As I glanced 571 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 3: into her room, I noticed it had taken on a 572 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 3: welcoming golden color, and it felt as though the whole 573 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 3: room was inside of a sacred bubble which I shouldn't enter. 574 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: Then I saw a translucent form moving out from the 575 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 3: center of Jean's body. In the corner of the stood 576 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 3: a massive being of light with huge white wings. It 577 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 3: didn't have a head, but I knew it was an angel. 578 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 3: Its wings were moving with a beckoning motion, drawing Jane's 579 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 3: translucent spirit upward. Beside it was a smaller angelic being 580 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 3: mirroring the same movement. The air was filled with a 581 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 3: very high pitched tone. The larger angel, though it had 582 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 3: no head, turned its attention to me. I heard a 583 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 3: clear telepathic message in my mind. Wait. Wait. At that moment, 584 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 3: the smaller angel seemed to panic, and both beings began 585 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 3: their movements with more urgency, going faster and faster. Just 586 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 3: then another person barged past me into the room, and 587 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 3: the entire vision the angels, Jeane, the golden light, the 588 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,959 Speaker 3: high pitched tone vanished completely into the corner of the room, 589 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: and I knew Jeane had died. We'll head off for 590 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 3: our break now, but when we get back, William Peters 591 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 3: reveals the mysterious being he calls the Conductor. He'll also 592 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 3: share his own shared death experience at his father's bedside. 593 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 594 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal 595 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 596 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain and you're hearing my good friend William Peters, 597 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 3: author of the book At Heaven's Door, what Shared Journeys 598 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 3: to the Afterlife teach about dying well and living better. 599 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 3: You can find his website shared crossing dot com. There 600 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 3: are upcoming retreats, a symposium with William and doctors such 601 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 3: as Emen Alexander Raymond Moody. Also, if you're interested in 602 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 3: learning more about share death experiences, you can take a 603 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 3: course to discover all the nuances and what practices you 604 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 3: may do now that will leave an opening to perhaps 605 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 3: having one of these experiences with your loved one. Again 606 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 3: Shared crossing dot com. Let's continue with another story from William. 607 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: Okay, next one here. My father died about two years ago, 608 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: in fact two years ago on September the twentieth, and 609 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: I was at bedside, on one side of bed with 610 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: my mother, and then my sister was on my mother's side, 611 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: and he was very close to death. And I was 612 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: doing what I typically do when I'm with the dying, 613 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,439 Speaker 1: and that is I was gently holding my father's hand 614 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: on my hand on his pulse, and then I close 615 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: my eyes and I'm my breathing to his breathing, and 616 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: his breathing was getting labored. And at one moment I 617 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: had a vision to the left side, above the foot 618 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: of the bed. I saw my grandmother and my aunt, 619 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: both who had predeceased, and then I saw my grandfather 620 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: as well, my grandfather, who I had never met, but 621 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: I knew it was my grandfather. There are a number 622 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: of details, but the piece I want to share with 623 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: you is that I was clear that my father was 624 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: ready to die, and I was talking to my grandmothers 625 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: and to my aunt. They were right next to meich 626 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 1: I was saying, why aren't you taking him? I could 627 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: see this beautiful cylinder of light coming down like a stairway, 628 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: about a quarter of the way down from where they were, 629 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: in a slanted direction to my father, which would be 630 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: to my father's heart or head, And I said, why 631 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: aren't you taking him? He's ready to go, And my 632 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: grandmother and aunt in unison kind of looked at me 633 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: and then averted their gaze to draw my attention to 634 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: just over the top of my father's bed. Right over 635 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: his heart, but about four feet above, even higher than 636 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: they were. But the point being is I moved my 637 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: attention over and when I locked my attention to where 638 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: they were directing me, it wasn't that I tried to lock, 639 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 1: except I kind of resonated with this in a gravitational way, 640 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: and I felt a pull on my heart. And you know, 641 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: some people talk about this electromagnetic nature of our soul spirit, 642 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: and I felt that resonating in pool and come alive. 643 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: And then I realized, Oh, they were averting my gaze 644 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: as if to say he's in charge or she's in charge, 645 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: but it felt like a he, and I was taken back, 646 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: and I thought, that's the conductor. And I felt the 647 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: power and force and strength to the conductor who was waiting. 648 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: It was clearly it was not quite my father's time. 649 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: And then about twenty minutes later there was this kind 650 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: of gentle whush upward, and my father was gone. And 651 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: the room does what it does is the way I 652 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,919 Speaker 1: feel it. It kind of empties out energetically. There's even 653 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: a feeling of coolness after the death of somebody. And 654 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: I learned this from my years working in hospice, so 655 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: that's what I want to share with you. I go 656 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: into it in more detail in my book At Heaven's Door, 657 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: but there's a bit of a summary about it. So 658 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: I want to say a few more things by way 659 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: of closing. So you may be asking, well, how does 660 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: a healthcare system response to SDEs? And the truth of 661 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: the matter is our current healthcare system does not know 662 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: much about the SDEs at all. They're just finally getting 663 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: used to near death experiences. I think most people in 664 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: the healthcare system are familiar with near death experiences, but 665 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: there's no understanding for SDEs. And if they do happen, 666 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: you're likely to get one of three responses. A healthcare 667 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: provider that's curious but neutral but unable to be supportive 668 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: because they don't want to be seen as supporting hallucinations 669 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: or delusions or psychotic problematic expressions. They can also be dismissive. 670 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,760 Speaker 1: This is very common where they can just simply say, oh, 671 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: you're under a great deal of stress, your loved ones 672 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: dying or died or what have you, and you know, 673 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: go home and get some rest, and I think you'll 674 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: realize those experiences are hallucinations. Sometimes they can be downright harmful, 675 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: and they can basically say I think you need a 676 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: psychological evaluation, and in which cases they get a psychological 677 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: evaluation and they're diagnosed with some form of psychoses or 678 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: grief hallucinations or delusional disorder or something like that. These 679 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: are all highly problematic and harmful to the experiencer because 680 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: it then forces them to interpret this most profound spiritual 681 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: experience as a delusion of their brain, and that is 682 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: highly problematic. So why is this well, our current view 683 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: of medical sciences of consciousness is that consciousness is created 684 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: by the brain, and when the human body dies, the 685 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: brain dies with it, and therefore there can be no 686 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: communication or connection with the consciousness, soul, spirit, call whatever 687 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: you want, with the deceased person. So we have a 688 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: fundamental problem with medical sciences when it comes to the SDE, 689 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: because the SDE would assert that the consciousness of the 690 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: dying has survived human death and is now seeking to 691 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: or at least available to be in relationship with departed 692 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: loved ones and healthcare providers. Even so, this is the 693 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: stumbling block we have, and I think there is some 694 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: movement here, though. I think that the newer forms of 695 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: appreciation of consciousness are evolving, and I think you're going 696 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,479 Speaker 1: to see certainly more progressive provider making space for these 697 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: types of experiences. But what's really important is that there 698 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: is incredible therapeutic value when somebody shares a story like 699 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: an SDE or other shared crossings and they feel supported. Unfortunately, 700 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: thirty eight percent reported a concern about sharing their story 701 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: for being dismissed or ridiculed. So this is why a 702 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of people have these experiences and don't share them. 703 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: Every interviewee in our study express gratitude and appreciation for 704 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: the opportunity to share their story and it affirmed them. 705 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: Then they felt empowered to go out and share their 706 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,280 Speaker 1: story with others, which is great. So in conclusion, remote 707 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: share death experiences are more common than bedside ones. They 708 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: are highly beneficial because they yield in the SD experience 709 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: or a certainty of the afterlife, a benevolent afterlife, and 710 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 1: a knowing that they'll be reunited with their loved ones. 711 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: Over forty percent of our SD experiences reported having more 712 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: than one, that suggests there's a capacity to have an SD, 713 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: and seventy eight percent of our experiences had other shared 714 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: crossings That means that they typically had other after death 715 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: forms of communications like post death visions, visitations, direct communication, 716 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: and other synchronicities suggesting communication across the veil. Finally, twenty 717 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: five percent a quarter of our interviewees reported ongoing relationships 718 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: with the departed. So if you want to learn more 719 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: about SDEs, I suggest you come to our story library 720 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: on our Shared Crossing dot com. You could hear video 721 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: accounts of other people's SDEs. Also, my book At Heaven's Door. 722 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: This is the seminal book that's research based on the 723 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: shared Death experience. There will be more coming, I can 724 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: tell you my colleagues are writing books right now, but 725 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: this is the first one that has twenty eight really 726 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: wonderful stories pulled from over one hundred and fifty cases. 727 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: The reviews have been thankfully quite good. I want to 728 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: say that if you've had an experience, you can submit 729 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: it to the Shared Crossing Research Initiative. We are always 730 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,919 Speaker 1: collecting cases and we would appreciate you submitting because they 731 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,280 Speaker 1: help others learn about it. And finally, the flagship program 732 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: that we offer the Shared Crossing Pathways. It is a 733 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: program that teaches you how to have the SDE a company, 734 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: a loved one into a beautiful end of life and afterlife. 735 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 3: Thank you, William, and we will always support your work. 736 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 3: One of the common questions is why do some people 737 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 3: have shared death experiences and others don't. I own William's 738 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 3: book At Heaven's Door, and in the final chapter he 739 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 3: talks about his two decades of research and that there 740 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 3: isn't a magic formula, but there are some common themes 741 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 3: and conditions that make a shared death experience more likely. 742 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 3: He breaks it down between our own openness, the wishes 743 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 3: of our dying loved one, and the deeper purpose of 744 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,720 Speaker 3: the experience itself. William's research shows that the most common 745 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 3: factor among sde experiencers is their openness and availability. This 746 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,760 Speaker 3: can happen in a few ways, be physically and mentally present. 747 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 3: Many SDEs occur when a person is simply not distracted. 748 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 3: They are sitting quietly at the bedside, or taking a 749 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 3: walk in nature, or even sound asleep. They're all states 750 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 3: where our busy, multitasking minds are at rest, which seems 751 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 3: to create the space for our consciousness to participate in 752 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 3: the experience. As one experiencer, Sonya perfectly put it, thinking back, 753 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 3: I guess I felt like in a weird way I 754 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 3: was available to help, so my loved one nabbed me. 755 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 3: We can practice mindfulness, while not a requirement, many experiencers 756 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 3: have a background in practices like meditation, yoga or prayer. 757 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 3: These activities train the mind to be quiet and receptive, 758 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 3: making it easier to perceive the subtle energies of a 759 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 3: shared crossing giving permission to go. The act of telling 760 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 3: a dying loved one that it's okay for them to leave, 761 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 3: that you will be all right can be incredibly powerful. 762 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 3: This release of earthly attachment and tension can sometimes be 763 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 3: the very thing that opens the door to a spiritual connection. 764 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 3: Of course, we know there's much more to it than that, 765 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 3: so again you can find William's book at Heaven's Door 766 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,280 Speaker 3: What Shared Journeys to the Afterlife teach about dying well 767 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 3: and lif living better, and I always recommend that you 768 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 3: get a little taste of how your soul perceives information 769 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,359 Speaker 3: from the afterlife. Come join us on one of our 770 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 3: psychic medium classes. We have the greatest tutors Kerrie McLeod 771 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 3: and Phil Dykes, and also friend Scott Milligan teaches trance 772 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 3: and the Altered States. When we can have these what 773 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 3: seem like supernatural experiences. We realize that we can create 774 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 3: the space to have a shared death experience again. We 775 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 3: Don't Die dot com. That's where you'll find me and 776 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 3: you can come join me for a free Sunday gathering 777 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 3: inspirational service with medium demonstration included. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank 778 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,280 Speaker 3: you so much for taking your precious time and listening 779 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 780 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 781 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 782 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,879 Speaker 2: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 783 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 2: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 784 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 2: to iHeartRadio dot com.