WEBVTT - Selects: How Drowning Works 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.320 Hi, everyone, It's Chuck. It's Saturday, and that means it's 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:08.440 time for another Saturday select. This one is originally was 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:13.920 originally released, and it's pretty terrifying because it's about drowning. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.400 It's actually very sad. I don't even remember if we 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.400 made any jokes in this one, because drowning is frankly 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.400 terrifying and probably one of the worst ways that one 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.200 can die if you don't like being in a panic. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:33.879 So how drowning works. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:43.199 a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:47.239 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles w Chuck Bryant, 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.519 and Jerry's over there, so that makes this Stuff you 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:57.480 Should Know. Hi, how are you feeling kind of upbeat? Positive? Well? 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.720 I will say that this topic, I felt like I 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.640 was having a panic attack researching and reading this stuff 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.080 me too, Like I noticed I was. I felt like 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.520 I couldn't breathe at some points. Yeah, it was, and 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.600 we covered a little bit of this and Worse ways 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:19.039 to die many years ago. But boy, oh boy, drowning 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.240 is no picnic. No, it's not. And one of the 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.319 things that I've always heard about drowning, is that like 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.000 it was actually a very peaceful experience. I don't think 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.800 that's the case. Yeah, I don't. I don't like Obviously 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.280 no one can say for certain, but it doesn't seem 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.360 to be no um at all, and it seems to 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.440 be like, actually not a good way to go. Well, actually, 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.319 I mean you probably could if you um. And this 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.920 is a this is giving something away early. But one 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:51.680 of the possible outcomes aside from death and morbidity, which 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.320 is you develop an injury or disability because of what happened. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.520 Aren't you on record for hating that word morbidity? Yeah, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.800 I don't know. I don't like it. Well, my apologies. Uh, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.880 and no morbidity. So you could ask someone who suffered 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:10.280 drowning with no morbidity, like was it peaceful? And they'll 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.120 probably be like nope. Well that's where I got that from. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.880 Was you know online? If you go and you got 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:18.239 to take it all with a grain of salt, because 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.360 there's plenty of fourteen year old who like to just 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.640 make stuff up. But there are you know, threads on 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.600 Reddit and other other places that basically are are supposedly 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.480 people who have survived drowning and I didn't find any 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.040 that were like it was actually very peaceful. My brain 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.600 flooded with endorphins and I was ready to go into 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.800 the light. Instead, it was more like, you know, I 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.080 saw one that said it burned like lava, which I mean, 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.320 if you think about it, you know, if you've ever 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.440 had something go down the wrong pipe or whatever, how 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:54.200 much that hurts your chest. Well, Chuck, we're here to 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.959 tell everybody that what you experienced where you took a 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:59.840 drink of coke and it went down the wrong pipe, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.200 that was not that didn't go anywhere near your lungs. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.200 That was the least of what can happen to you. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.720 And that was it just hit your epiglottis, which is 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:14.200 that flap that converts your trichia into your esophagus. Right, yeah, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.400 that flap. That's like sometimes I want to work and 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.799 sometimes I want to scare you to death. Right, but 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:23.880 zero zero coke went into your lungs and that happened 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.840 that that so imagine how bad that is. That was 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.959 just your epiglotis. It actually gets way way worse when 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.040 you actually are drowning. And you you said something that 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.600 we really need to point out here because there's a 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.040 for as long as people have been drowning, basically since 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.040 people have been people, right exactly, So for as long 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.040 as people have been drowning, we still have only very 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:50.760 recently begun to make universal definitions of what drowning is. Yeah, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:57.000 it's two thousand two, the World Congress of Drowning. That's 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.640 a thing. Then they at least had the good sense 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.200 to hold it in Amsterdam at least so they could 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:09.360 get their good time on afterwards after the meetings. They're awful. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.600 But what they did there was they decided, hey, we 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:19.640 need to really codify this because three fifty people a 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.159 year die and it's the third most common cause of 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.400 accidental death around the world. So let's like really kind 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.560 of classify this stuff. So everyone's on the same page 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.640 moving forward, Yeah, because everyone wasn't on the same page, 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.679 and actually, if you follow media reports, people still aren't 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.960 on the same page. A lot of a lot of 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:43.680 um uncleared terminology that the medical community doesn't recognize but 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:48.640 that the media uses pretty frequently. Um, there's pretty widespread 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.040 misunderstanding that drowning is not death. It's a way you 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.320 can die, but it's actually a specific type of injury 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.840 that starts with your epiglottis says we'll see um or 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.200 your larynx. I'm sorry, but it's it's it's like an 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.800 injury that can happen to you that you can die from, 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.800 but you can actually have drowned and survived. Yeah, that's 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.919 you know, that's very misleading because that's the the actual definition. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.320 But in in everyday parlance, if you say, you know, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.000 I went to the pool last weekend and my child drowned, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.640 and someone said, oh my god, you know another fine, right, Like, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.600 it's not it's not a very fair thing to say 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.120 to to a friend. No, it's not. But if you're 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.560 following the definition of the two thousand two World Congress 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.480 of Drowning, that would be the right thing for you 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.600 to say. Yeah, but that that kind of pedantry and 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.200 just everyday conversation. You should lead by saying I had 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.919 a close call. My child technically drowned according to the 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.320 World Congress of Drowning, right, and then pushed through doing fine, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:04.320 push the glasses up your nose. It's just exactly so, um, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.880 I gave away a little bit here. With drowning, the 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:12.640 whole process starts when water or liquid comes in contact 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:17.760 with your larynx, your voice box. That something as far 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:24.240 as human evolution goes, something about that filips your reptilian 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:30.680 brain out and your your your motor takes over, like 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.719 your motor instincts take over, and there's very little you 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.560 can do from that point on as far as conscious 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.320 thought and movement. Yeah, I mean, we'll we'll get to 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.719 that last part later. But um, you're totally right, man, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.240 Like your body is trying to do one thing and 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.560 that is survived this experience. Um. And like I said, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.880 we'll get in a little more of what drowning looks like. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.040 But during drowning, you're right that that first contact with 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.720 water and the larynx, you have that gas initially and 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.080 then you you are in charge for a short time 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.400 because you try to hold your breath voluntarily, but then 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:15.160 your larynx just starts spasm ing and Hi. Hi hypoxemia, hypoxemia, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:26.200 hypo xmia, hypoxemia, hypoxemia, Bet hypoxemia, No, hypoxemia, hypoxemia, That's 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:32.679 what I said, right, Oh my god, hypoxemia. It's funny. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.160 I looked up a bunch of word pronunciations today, but 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.720 that one I just flew right by it. I'll tell 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:43.440 you when I've got down is kineta. Yeah, that's that's next. Right. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:49.480 How about hypoxemia? Sure, Basically what that is is dree 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.200 decreased levels of oxygen in your bloodstream. So your body's 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.400 trying to fight that. Right, So your larynx, whether you 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:00.320 like it or not, your larynx has closed. You're not eathing, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.040 you're holding your breath because your larynx is trying to 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.200 prevent liquid from going into your lungs. Right. And so 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.360 as this is going on, you're losing oxygen concentration in 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.680 your lungs. You're having a build up of c O two. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:18.040 And then and I got this from a reference to 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:23.520 a passage from the book The Perfect Storm. But supposedly 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:29.520 studies have shown that after about eighty seven seconds, your 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.320 your body says, Okay, to hell with this. Um, I'm 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.920 I can't spasm any longer. I'm gonna try to take 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:40.360 a breath. If you happen to be underwater, then you've 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:44.200 just taken in water. And now a whole different set 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.040 of events is happening. Right, So you're already starting to um, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.120 to to become sluggish, to lose consciousness a little bit 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.440 from that lack of oxygen because you haven't been breathing 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.760 for say, the last almost minute and a half. But 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.040 now you've taken in water onto your long and like 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.199 I said, this this changes things and it makes it 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.280 way way worse. Well yeah, and before that even happens, 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:15.720 your body becomes something called acidotic. How would you pronounce that? Uh? 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.560 That probably that way. I would actually listen to that one. 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.760 That's okay, what is it? It's acidotic? Oh it is, yeah. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.400 I actually probably would have made it a long Oh yeah, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.560 no longer apparently. Okay, Well, thanks for going the extra 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.040 mile on that one. Yeah, I had to make up 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:36.400 for the last one. Um. But that's basically when like, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.920 if that happens, it can disrupt the electrical you're you're 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.960 you're wiring to your heart and you could go into 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.400 cardiac arrest. And that's sort of near the beginning of 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.560 this process, right, So just just bookmark that, everybody, because 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.880 all of this is happening before your larynx stop spasming 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.840 and you open up your airway and take a deep breath, 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.320 and then you're you if you have going to be 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.559 underwater or your mouth is just below water level, then 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:07.080 you've just taken in a bunch of water and your lungs. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.680 So what happens when you take water into your lungs 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.960 is when you look at your um your lungs if 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.880 you can, if you can just peer at your lungs 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.280 everyone for a second, you're going to find that they 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:23.160 are actually branching increasingly smaller tubes. Right. Yeah, this is 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.680 like elementary school science. Like everyone learned about the bronchi, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:32.720 the bronchioles, that alveolas. That was all kind of elementary 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.079 school stuff, right. So the point is that the in 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.160 the alveolis or the alveola, the little tiny air sacks 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.880 where you exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide with the capillaries 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.240 that bring blood to your lungs, there's a little something 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.720 called surfactant, and it's this chemical coating around your little 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.120 tiny air sacks that allow them to open and close, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.000 which pumps the oxygen and carbon dioxide in and out. Right, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.080 it allows for gas exchange. Is a very key part 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.000 of the whole system of staying alive. Yeah, because if 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.000 you're surfactin isn't working, then that alveola can't or alveola 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.880 list can't open or close, and so you're not breathing, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.160 because that's really where the rubber meets the road when 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.640 you breathe. So if the surfactant is damaged, you can't breathe. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.560 And when you take water into your lungs, it goes 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.040 to the end to those air sacks, and it, depending 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.120 on the type of water, it messes with the surfactant 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.600 one way or another. And all of a sudden, now 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:35.920 you are not exchanging um oxygen and carbon dioxide, which 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.439 you weren't doing very well already for the last minute 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.280 and a half, but now the water is totally screwing 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.760 up that jam. Well. Yeah, in the case of fresh water, 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.720 and this is something I didn't know. It is different 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.480 depending on saltwater or fresh water. But freshwater, if you're 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.720 in a swimming pool or a lake or something, it 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:57.000 actually destroys that surfactant and the alveoli collapse, right, they're 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:00.600 just kind of destroyed. Uh. And salt water, uh, it 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.920 actually doesn't destroy this refactant, but it washes it away, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.560 which to me is sort of like splitting hairs. It 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.760 makes this afactant um it doesn't work anymore, no matter 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.000 which way slice it right exactly, And so there's UM 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.480 A couple of different. Two real differences between taking in 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.120 freshwater and taking in salt water in your looks because 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.880 fresh water bears a pretty strong resemblance to the water 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.320 in your body and specifically in your blood. When that 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.560 water enters your lungs, it actually passes very easily from 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.679 your lungs into your bloodstream. And so what happens is 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:43.000 the the dilution, the concentration of water in your blood. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:48.040 Um it becomes overrun with water. So where you end up. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.800 I saw apparently one World War two study found that 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:56.360 people's blood or animals blood, which I hate to think 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.280 of how they found this out, you know how they 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.920 found that out. But animals blood within three minutes had 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.280 an equal part of water and blood or whatever is 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.040 not water in the blood within three minutes, which is 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.760 way more of a dilution than we normally have. So 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.319 you've gone from not breathing very well because you're holding 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.520 your breath to suddenly not only are you not exchanging air, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.360 your blood is diluted within like three minutes. In a 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:27.199 fresh water drowning, Yeah, you're really disrupting the balance of 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.280 of your blood and the water in your body. Everything 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.040 is just thrown out of whack. And then with saltwater, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.280 something else different happens to um. You're that that saltiness 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.000 in the water in your lungs actually draws water out 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.280 of your blood, so that your blood becomes more concentrated 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.240 rather than more dilute if you drown in saltwater. The 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.880 upshot of all of this is you are in big 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.640 trouble once water hits your lungs. Yeah, in the case 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.320 of saltwater again in three minutes, and you know what's 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.559 happening to the animals because they called it experimental animals, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.120 so in other words, they drowned animals. I was hoping 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.960 to dance around that, but yeah, that's what they did. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.040 That's the reality. In three minutes with salt water, experimental 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.720 animals lost of their normal normal water volume in their blood. Yeah, 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.000 it's just thickened, which can't feel good. The thing is 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.920 is it took it takes, like from what I saw, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.600 eight minutes to die. This is actually as as bad 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.600 as that sounds, this is actually a less quickly fatal 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.520 process than what happens to you with fresh water in 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.760 your lungs. But get this, chuck, here's where drowning gets 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.480 really odd. You can die of drowning without a single 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:46.200 drop of water ever touching your lungs. That sounds like 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.600 a good place to take a break. Oh are we 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.240 going to cliffhanger this? It's just mamma, jamma, I think 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.320 we should hang it off the cliff. Okay, let's do it, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:15:16.200 all right, We'll be right back. M h man, Chuck, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.760 good call, because even I'm like a little on the 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.480 edge of my seat and I know it's coming next 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.760 and you know how this thing ends. Yeah, uh yeah, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:29.160 well you're exactly right. You don't have to uh like 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.480 that can happen, but to drown and die, you don't 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.840 need to be the TV or movie drowning where you're 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.600 where you're floating in the water, you're fully submerged. You 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.280 went down with the ship or something like that. Yeah, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.800 I mean there's They used to call it dry drowning 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.880 in the media. They still call it dry drowning. It 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.960 was coined in the nineteen seventies. But those are drowning 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.720 deaths in which the larynx spasmed from exposure to water, 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.280 but they died from asphyxiation. No water entered the lungs, 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.440 And it's very it makes sense to call it dry drowning. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.720 But the CDC and everyone else basically said this, this 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.640 is just drowning. It's drowning. Just because there's not water 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.040 in your lungs doesn't mean you didn't drown, right, because 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.560 whether it's the water in your lungs or the um, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.520 the fact that you haven't been breathing, you're dying from asphyxiation. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.520 And it's a water related asphyxiation, right, correct. But it 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.520 doesn't have to be water in your lungs. But that 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.640 happens to something like ten to twenty people who um 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.120 who die of drowning. They don't have any any water 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.680 in their lungs whatsoever. They just they die before their 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.920 layering stopped spasm ing. Yeah, and there's there have been 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.240 some really sad cases, this one, this reference in the 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.400 article you sent just last year. In two thousand seventeen, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.880 a four year old boy in Texas was knocked over 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.760 by wave just playing out in the ocean like knee 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.320 deep in water. His head did go under for a 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.280 few seconds, but dad brings him out of the water. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.680 The kid recovers, he gets smell on the butt and 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.000 goes off in plays and everything seems fine over the 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.359 next few days, he um. They think he has his 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.240 stomach flu. He complains of a pain in his shoulder, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.919 and the parents did not get him to the doctor 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.040 fast enough and he died in his sleep. And then 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.840 doctors found a very small amount of water in his lungs. Yeah, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.480 apparently it doesn't take much something like um. The most 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.919 drowning victims have something like four ccs per kilogram of 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.440 water in their lungs. So if you're a kid who 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.280 weighs fifty pounds, that's three ounces of water. Right to 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.680 die from that, right, But the thing that scared everybody, 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.639 scared of but Jesus side of parents everywhere about this 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:43.359 poor kid named Frankie Delgado. Um, he died like days 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.880 after he had his drowning incident. Right, No one knew 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.120 that could happen. And this is one of the ways 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.240 the media is not helping things. They call this dry 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.600 drowning too. That was never even called dry drowning. This 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.280 one is called secondary drowning. But again, if you go 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.680 to like the c d C or the World Health Organization, 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.479 they're like those those don't exist. Stop calling them that. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.360 It's it's drowning and you can actually die of drowning 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.080 days afterward. But the thing that was really misreported about 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.399 Frankie Delgado and then other kids like him, is that 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.919 it gives the impression that, you know, Dad picked him up, 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.080 spanked him on the bottom, and he went along his 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.080 way and he was totally fine. Then all of a 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:26.639 sudden drops dead three days later. That's not how it works. You. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.480 The kids starts, their health starts to decline. And usually 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.359 in cases where this is happening, where it's like a 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:39.240 delayed drowning death, um, they their health declines very obviously 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.240 within two or three hours of the incident, and it's 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:48.399 really bad. It's like they become sluggish because they're becoming hypoxic. Um. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.040 They throw up a lot, they vomit a lot, they 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:56.160 might defecate themselves. Um, they just their behavior changes. It's 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.800 very obvious that something's very wrong with them. But the 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.760 problem is his most pay and don't say, oh yeah, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.080 my kid took in some water in the pool. It's 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.400 a day before and they don't think to to They 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.159 just think, like Frankie Delgado's parents did, that it's a 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.680 stomach bug or something like that, when in fact they're 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.760 actually dying from drowning right in front of their very eyes. Yeah, 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.040 it's like the the head injury that you die of 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.400 a week later, um, because of whatever, some kind of 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.280 internal hemorrhaging that you don't even know what's going on. Right, Yeah, 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.880 it is very much like that Liam Neeson's wife, right, yes, right, 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.360 is she died in like a ski accident, right, Yeah, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.399 Natasha Richardson and I I didn't look it up, but 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.880 I know it was. It was not that day, oh, 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:40.520 I didn't know that. I don't know how many days 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.000 later it was. But the same kind of thing where, um, 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.200 there's a there's something going on in the body because 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.880 of an incident that you don't realize that's going on. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.280 And in uh, in this kid's case, I think his 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.959 uh he had a dimon Right, his lung tissues started 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.840 um swelling, right swell, and they could no longer like 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.800 collapse a little a v ol collapse that the gas 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.240 exchange wasn't going on, and so he had a decrease 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.000 in oxygen and an increase in CEO two. And that's 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.639 what you ultimately die from from drowning, right, right. But 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:16.600 you can also get injured. Um. Brain damage is usually 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.360 the major complication. If you don't die from drowning um, 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.080 you can have that tissue damage in your lungs. You 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.920 can get pneumonia or something called a r D S 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:32.080 Acute respiratory distress syndrome. Right, And there's also usually a 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.720 coat well not usually, but it's frequently. There's a code 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.680 morbidity with a drowning um, which is like a head 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.359 or neck injury, a spinal injury that if you dive 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.480 into the shallow, into the pool and you break your neck, 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.800 you're gonna start drowning like immediately because you just lost 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:52.480 consciousness and you're underwater. Um So there's, as we'll see 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.160 in talking about treating drowning, you want to you want 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.720 to be aware that there's a good possibility that the 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:03.000 person's neck is not quite right. Um. So here's one 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.359 other thing that I knew before, but I had learned 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.080 at one point and it really opened my eyes. Every 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.240 every representation of drowning I've ever seen in any movie, 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.440 on every TV show, in every book, in every song 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.640 about drowning, there they got it wrong. It's just wrong. 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.200 It doesn't look anything like what we've all been led 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:30.240 to believe. It looks like or sounds like, well, yeah, 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.120 I mean that is true if you are actually drowning. 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.080 But what you're talking about that you usually see in 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.359 the movies if they end up getting pulled out of 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.359 water and they're fine. It's just called aquatic distress. So 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.160 when you're splashing around and yelling, you aren't drowning at 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:50.440 that point. No, you're you could call it pre drowning. Yeah, 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.920 it's aquatic distress. That means you're you can't swim, you're panicking, 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.120 and you feel like I'm in big trouble. So you're 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.480 waving your arms and screaming when you actually start drowning. Uh. 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:05.479 This guy named Francesco a Pa he's a PhD. He 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.920 defined what's called the instinctive drowning response, which is nothing 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.439 like you see in the movies. It's very quiet, and 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.960 your body, like we mentioned earlier, your body's instinct kicks 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.000 into gear and it's not trying to wait for help 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.959 or yell. It's just trying to survive and get another 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:27.040 breath and keep that face above water right. It's it's 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.679 like all hands are on deck to keep your you 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.760 upright in the water. That's literally all hands are on deck. 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.320 If the deck is the water, right, you know, Yeah, no, 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:40.760 that's true. That's why I said it. So the thing is, though, Chuck, 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:45.120 with that aquatic distress thing, it doesn't always precede drowning 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:49.000 so much so that drowning can come on without aquatic distress, 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.480 and people are so conditioned to think of drowning as 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:56.359 aquatic distress or vice versa, that there's This is about 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.080 the most heartbreaking thing I've ever heard. There are kids 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.040 who will d rown. A substantial amount of kids who 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.639 drowned drown within twenty five yards of a parent or 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.960 whoever is supposed to be watching them, and a significant 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:13.720 portion of those kids drown with the parent or or 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.719 supervising adult actually watching them drown and not realizing what 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:19.959 they're seeing because it doesn't look like what they think 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:26.119 drowning looks like. I wouldn't overstated, but yeah, ten percent 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.160 of the parents actually watched this happening, right, So this 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.560 is this is what drowning looks like. Right. If you 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.520 you're not going to once the once drowning starts, if 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:40.920 you've gone through aquatic distress, once the drowning starts, you 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.840 are um. You have your head, your mouth is about 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.680 at water level, and you can't call out for help 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.959 because there's one of two things going on. Either you 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:54.680 are trying to catch your breath every time your mouth 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.760 comes above water, and it's happening so infrequently that all 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:03.120 you can do is gun inhaling and exhaling, or your 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.360 larynx is spasm ng and you're not breathing at all. 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.080 And if you're not breathing at all, you you obviously 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.320 physiologically can't shout or speak or do anything. But either way, 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:18.560 you're not UM. You're not able to shout or yell 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.160 or call for help or say anything. Yeah. I mean 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:22.679 the way I read it though, is it's not like 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.920 you're working on breathing. You have no choice in the matter. Yeah, 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.760