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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Chuck. It's Saturday, and that means it's

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Speaker 1: time for another Saturday select. This one is originally was

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Speaker 1: originally released, and it's pretty terrifying because it's about drowning.

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Speaker 1: It's actually very sad. I don't even remember if we

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Speaker 1: made any jokes in this one, because drowning is frankly

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Speaker 1: terrifying and probably one of the worst ways that one

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Speaker 1: So how drowning works. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles w Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and Jerry's over there, so that makes this Stuff you

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Speaker 1: Should Know. Hi, how are you feeling kind of upbeat? Positive? Well?

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Speaker 1: I will say that this topic, I felt like I

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Speaker 1: was having a panic attack researching and reading this stuff

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Speaker 1: me too, Like I noticed I was. I felt like

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Speaker 1: I couldn't breathe at some points. Yeah, it was, and

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Speaker 1: we covered a little bit of this and Worse ways

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Speaker 1: to die many years ago. But boy, oh boy, drowning

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Speaker 1: is no picnic. No, it's not. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I've always heard about drowning, is that like

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Speaker 1: that's the case. Yeah, I don't. I don't like Obviously

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Speaker 1: no one can say for certain, but it doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: be like, actually not a good way to go. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: I mean you probably could if you um. And this

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Speaker 1: of the possible outcomes aside from death and morbidity, which

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Speaker 1: is you develop an injury or disability because of what happened.

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Speaker 1: Aren't you on record for hating that word morbidity? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like it. Well, my apologies. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and no morbidity. So you could ask someone who suffered

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Speaker 1: probably be like nope. Well that's where I got that from.

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Speaker 1: Was you know online? If you go and you got

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Speaker 1: to take it all with a grain of salt, because

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of fourteen year old who like to just

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Speaker 1: make stuff up. But there are you know, threads on

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Speaker 1: Reddit and other other places that basically are are supposedly

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Speaker 1: people who have survived drowning and I didn't find any

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Speaker 1: the light. Instead, it was more like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: if you think about it, you know, if you've ever

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Speaker 1: had something go down the wrong pipe or whatever, how

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Speaker 1: much that hurts your chest. Well, Chuck, we're here to

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Speaker 1: tell everybody that what you experienced where you took a

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Speaker 1: that was not that didn't go anywhere near your lungs.

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Speaker 1: That was the least of what can happen to you.

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Speaker 1: And that was it just hit your epiglottis, which is

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Speaker 1: that flap that converts your trichia into your esophagus. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that flap. That's like sometimes I want to work and

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Speaker 1: that that so imagine how bad that is. That was

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Speaker 1: just your epiglotis. It actually gets way way worse when

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Speaker 1: it's two thousand two, the World Congress of Drowning. That's

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Speaker 1: moving forward, Yeah, because everyone wasn't on the same page,

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Speaker 1: But during drowning, you're right that that first contact with

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Speaker 1: hypo xmia, hypoxemia, hypoxemia, Bet hypoxemia, No, hypoxemia, hypoxemia, That's

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Speaker 1: How about hypoxemia? Sure, Basically what that is is dree

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Speaker 1: you're becoming a little more sluggish. Kicking your legs is

424
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: actually harder than flapping your arms, so you just can't,

425
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: like your muscles won't do it. I don't know, it's weird.

426
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: It seems like that would be part of that natural

427
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: instinct um. I would think so too. But another part

428
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: of the fact that you can't control your arms. Is

429
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: that if somebody holds a pole out right in front

430
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: of your hand, you can't say hand grab pole. Um,

431
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: you can't grab like a lifesaver ring Like there's you.

432
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: You can't do anything but flap your arms up and down.

433
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: And you're not doing that. Your your body has taken over.

434
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: And this is this instinctive response that dr P is

435
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, and when they say you're not using

436
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: your legs, that you're completely vertical in water, Um, I

437
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: don't know. That's the part that doesn't make sense to me.

438
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: You can still be vertical in water and like you know,

439
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: dreading water and kicking. Yeah, I don't understand it either. Yeah,

440
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: maybe someone can fill us in on that one. So um,

441
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: this this whole instinctive drowning response. Supposedly the most people

442
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: can last between twenty and sixty seconds of doing this

443
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: basically bobbing and using every bit of your strength to

444
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: to get your mouth above water. But eventually you start

445
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: to lose that battle and your mouth comes above water

446
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: and less frequently, and then eventually you you were submerged.

447
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: And if you are if you see somebody whose head

448
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: is low in the water and they um, their mouth

449
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: is is at water level and their eyes are closed,

450
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: or they're just kind of blank and glassy, or their

451
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: hair is over their eyes. You're looking at drowning person

452
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: and you want to help them. Yeah. I thought that

453
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: hair over the eyes was interesting because there must be

454
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: just an immediate response when you get out of the

455
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: water to wipe the hair from your eyes. Think about

456
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: how annoying it is. What's gotta be it. So if

457
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: you see someone come out like the creature of the

458
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: Black Lagoon, that's not a good sign. Yep. If they're

459
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: gasping and they're doing this, that's another one too. If

460
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: they're trying to swim but they're not actually moving anywhere really,

461
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: or if they're trying to roll over on their back

462
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: and they're unsuccessful, these are all signs of drowning. Yeah.

463
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean that was a lifeguard for a few years,

464
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: and it's Um, I think you're and they tell you

465
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: in class. You know that you're used to the movies,

466
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: and um, you got to really keep your eyes out.

467
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: You can't just be flirting with the girls, oh yeah,

468
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: waiting for someone to yell and scream because they're kicking

469
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: in in aquatic distress. You have to keep your eyes peel.

470
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: A good lifeguard is very vigilant. Well, I remember hearing

471
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: that that. Like, you know, when they interview most lifeguards about,

472
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: you know, somebody who drowned in their pool, They're like,

473
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: they had no idea, They were there a second and

474
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: then they were gone and I didn't even notice. It

475
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: didn't make a sound, you know. So yeah, you just

476
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: hit the nail and have whether you're a lifeguard or

477
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: whether you're a mom or dad or oh pair or whoever. Um,

478
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: your focus has to be on the person in the

479
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: pool that you're you're in charge of. Should we take

480
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: a break, Yeah, all right, we'll come back. We'll talk

481
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: about what to do and how to treat a drowning

482
00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: victim if you are so unlucky. All right, so let's

483
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: say someone has drowned. Um, let's just say you're at

484
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: a pool, just to make this easy, because that's kind

485
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: of best case scenario. Because it's contained, there is usually

486
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: some sort of rescue equipment on hand. Um, it's not

487
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: like you're on the beach and you're like, I need

488
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: a defibrillator. Yeah, most pools have this kind of stuff. Now,

489
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Plus you can also see the bottom. There's not usually

490
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: like an underwater hazard or and sure like that, it

491
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: is about a best case scenario. Yeah, so the h A,

492
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: the American Heart Association said that, UM, if possible, like

493
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: if you're not by yourself, do the do the common

494
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: sense thing, which is to send one person for help

495
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: or to call nine one one. Uh. These days with

496
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: phones every where, it's it's I'm sure increased response times.

497
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: But uh. And if you have a defibrillator, go get

498
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: that thing or have you know, have your have your

499
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: buddy do it, bring it to the victim's side. UM,

500
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: assess the situation like are they breathing, do they have

501
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: a pulse? Uh? And this is one of the few

502
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: situations they point out where because I know we covered

503
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: CPR and the hands only CPR is kind of what's

504
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: recommended now, but that is not the case with drowning. No,

505
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: apparently you still want to do mouth to mouth is

506
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: how I took that right? Yeah? I think so, which

507
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: has never made sense to me, because if you're blowing

508
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: into somebody's mouth, aren't you blowing carbon dioxide into their body?

509
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: What's the point of that? Is it just to get

510
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: the lungs opening and closing. I don't know. Maybe I've

511
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: never understood that, Yeah, because I don't think it's I

512
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: think that's the case. Like it's not saying your body

513
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: needs CEO two. I think if your lungs need to

514
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: be expanding and contracting. It's been a while though since

515
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: I lifeguarded. Yeah, but I mean, and it used to

516
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you do chest compressions in the mouth

517
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: to mouth, and then they said no, just do chess compressions.

518
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: So I was surprised to see that with drowning there

519
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: like do both. They're back with that, and then also,

520
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: don't forget while you're doing all this, keep in mind

521
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: that the person's neck might need to be supported or

522
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: kept at a certain straight angle. Um, because they may

523
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: have injured themselves that may have caused the drowning to

524
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: begin with. Yeah, like if they dove in or whatever. Right,

525
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: so if they're breathing but they're not awake, then roll

526
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: them over on their side, because you know they might

527
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: vomit and and affixiate that way, which, um, you know

528
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: the way Bond Scott went out, and I believe some

529
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: other rock stars have gone out that way, John Bonham,

530
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Janice Choplin. Oh did they all affixiate? From vomit. Yeah, really,

531
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just trying to think of

532
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: musicians least likely to asphyxiate on his own vomit. Well

533
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: I think that's uh Benny Goodman, Yeah yeah, yeah, although

534
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: he parted, did he? I'm just speaking contrary. Okay, we

535
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: have to lightnessing up a little bit, right. I know,

536
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: it's it's hard looking for jokes in here. It's tough.

537
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: So let's see. You've got somebody who's breathing but but unconscious.

538
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Roll them on their side. Uh, somebody who's not breathing

539
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: and doesn't have a pulse. You do CPR. You want

540
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: them the e m s to get there as fast

541
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: as possible, but CPR for you know, whether it's a

542
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: heart attack or whether it's a drowning. If you can

543
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: do CPR, you can prolong the amount of time it

544
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: takes for the e m s to get there. You're

545
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: just staving off like irreversible damage by by doing it

546
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: at the very least. Chess compressions. Yeah, absolutely so. One

547
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: thing that um I did not know that I ran

548
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: across Chuck is there's actually a tremendous amount of racial

549
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: disparities when it comes to drowning. Um, there are far

550
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: greater numbers of African Americans and this is the US

551
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: strictly African Americans and then Native Americans and Alaskan Natives

552
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: who drown compared to white kids. And depending on the

553
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: venue in the age group, it can actually get shocking

554
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: how how great the difference is. Yeah, between the age

555
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: range of eleven to twelve years old, UM, African Americans

556
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: drowned in swimming pools ten times the rate of white

557
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: kids ten times. And this is something I did know

558
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: because the pool I lifeguarded, where a lifeguarded for three years,

559
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: was majority African American kids. And they, you know, we

560
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: got not special training, but we got um we were

561
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: told that by the lifeguard company. Like it was a

562
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: huge lifeguard company that supplied lifeguards all over the city exactly.

563
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: So at my pool and pools like that, they you know,

564
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: we had little breakout sessions for us. We were like, hey, listen,

565
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: it is a systemic thing in this country where little

566
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: black kids don't learn how to swim as often. And

567
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, the CDC has done studies and there's a

568
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: professor in Montana named Jeff Whilst who wrote Contested Waters

569
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: Colon a social history of swimming pools in America, and

570
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: it all makes perfect sense because of discrimination and segregation.

571
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: When swimming pools and recreational swimming and sports swimming started

572
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: to come around, these black families couldn't go to the pools,

573
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: so they didn't take swim lessons, they didn't learn how

574
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: to swim. If your grandparents didn't learn how to swim,

575
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: then there, what is it like? I think they even

576
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: have a stat you have a thirteen percent chance to

577
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: take swimming lessons and learn how to swim if your

578
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: parents did not, only a thirteen p sent chance, right,

579
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: So it's just passed down. Yeah, And it's just odd

580
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: that it coincided where a surge and popularity of pools

581
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: and swimming in America coincided with two of the um

582
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: times when segregation was most strictly enforced in America, to

583
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: the twenties and thirties and the fifties and sixties, and

584
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, as a result, African Americans missed out on swimming,

585
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: and and it's intergenerational and passed down still to this day. Um,

586
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: among African American families, not all of them obviously, but um,

587
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: there are plenty out there who are like, I don't

588
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: know how to swim, and I'm very much afraid that

589
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: if I get you near a pool, you're going to drown.

590
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: So I don't even want you taking swimming lessons because

591
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with that kind of thing.

592
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: And so, like you said, it becomes intergenerational. Yeah, and

593
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: there are plenty of programs now, thankfully. Uh and even

594
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: when I was lifeguarding, you know, a thousand years ago, um,

595
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: plenty of programs to try and give reduced rate or

596
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: free swimming less in communities like that and basically get

597
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: every get everyone trained up swimming lessons. Help. It is

598
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: one of the ways to prevent drownings is knowing how

599
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: to swim. Yeah, it sounds like a no brainer, it does.

600
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: But you can drown even when you can swim. So

601
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: that's the reason they point out that one of the

602
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: best ways to prevent drowning is learning how to swim, right,

603
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: it is. But they also make a very big point

604
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: if once your kid knows how to swim, you can't

605
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, you're fine, you go to the

606
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: pool by yourself. Like this. This one article put it

607
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: like learning to swim doesn't drown proof your kid. Something

608
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: like a quarter of deaths by drowning are from kids

609
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: who knew how to swim or people who knew how

610
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: to swim. So, um, it's good to know how to swim,

611
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: and it probably will help at some point, like anytime

612
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: you get into a pool, but it doesn't drown proof you.

613
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: And you need to also be smart in other ways

614
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: to Yeah. I mean we're literally right in the middle

615
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: of swim lessons for our daughter and um at, you know,

616
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: approaching three years old, and it's tough man. She's she

617
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: doesn't like getting her face in the water, So there's

618
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: a that's just smart. Well, yeah, that's a good instinct probably,

619
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: but not when you're trying to teach your kid how

620
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: to swim. That's problematic. So it's a slow process in

621
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: our case. Other kids, um take to it like a

622
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: duck in the water as they say, Yeah, I I did.

623
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: I would still remember taking swim lessons, and I was

624
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: a pretty little kid myself, but I remember, I remember.

625
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: The one thing I hated about swim lessons is that

626
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: that came I had to leave in the middle of

627
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: thunder the Barbarian on Saturday morning cartoons, so I never

628
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: really got to watch a single full episode of Thunder.

629
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: And then the other thing I remember is realizing that

630
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: as I was swimming towards the swim instructor, I wasn't

631
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: getting any closer. And it finally dawned on me. I

632
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: was like, you're moving for her away that old trick,

633
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: and she was like, no, I'm not. And suddenly I

634
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: was like there you know. Um. But I remember being like, oh,

635
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: there's such a thing as guile in deception. I had

636
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: no idea. Now I learned it thanks to my swim instructor. Yeah.

637
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: My deal was I was terrified of swimming and swim

638
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: class drowning. Oh where are you? Okay? Um? Yeah, I

639
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: just my brother and sister went to swim class. They

640
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: learned how to swim. I refused. I was really scared.

641
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: I would not go out of the shallow in for

642
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: many years. I know, I was a little scaredy cat.

643
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: But I my mom. I remember very distinctly when I

644
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: was I guess I was like, I was kind of

645
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: old man. I was like six years old, and she

646
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: she didn't threaten me, but she said, hey, listen, you're

647
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: gonna take swim lessons. Uh, in like July, it's you've

648
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: got to learn how to swim. July is go time,

649
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: and this was uh and I'm making updates, but let's

650
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: say it was July. And then in June we went

651
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: to visit my grandparents, whose neighbor head of pool, and

652
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: we were doing that thing where you hold on to

653
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: the edge of the pool to get a bunch of

654
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: kids and go around and around and create like a

655
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: little whirlpool. And I remember very distinctly taking my hands

656
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: off earlier and earlier and taught myself to swim that day.

657
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh cool. And it was because it was kind of

658
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: a current and people in front of me and behind me,

659
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: and I just started letting go a little sooner and

660
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: a little sooner in the deep end, and before you

661
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: know what, I was doing a very rudimentary dog paddle

662
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: and that led to very poor swimming, which I still

663
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: still have today. Were you swimming around and you're like

664
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: self taught? Yeah, at his at his T shirt that

665
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: had self taught back off. I'm still not a good swimmer.

666
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I can swim fine, but I'm not as

667
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: far as swimming strokes and proper swimming, I'm terrible. I

668
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: can do a swimming stroke, it's not any good, but

669
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I can do the technique of it. But I was

670
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: on a swim team. See, I never was. It was

671
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: the worst swim team in the league, and I was

672
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: the worst member of the team. Yes, so, um, we're

673
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: in the county. That was your nickname. My worst was

674
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: pretty much. My worst was the backstroke, and um, the

675
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: coaches would always put me in a back stroke could

676
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: be like, please, don't, like, why are you doing this?

677
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: And now, as a grown up, I know because they

678
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: were just like, we're losing anyway, We're gonna watch Josh

679
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: do the backstroke. Every time I did the backstroke, I

680
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: would end up like two lanes over. Yeah, and when

681
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: I bumped to the other kid, they would inevitably stand

682
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: up and so we both be disqualified because I couldn't

683
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: stay in my own lane. And then the coaches just

684
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: thought that was hilarious. Yeah, I was never on a

685
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: swim team, and that's where you learned how to do

686
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: it properly, you know. I mean I can I can

687
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: ape those strokes from why ching the Olympics, but um,

688
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: it's it's nothing close to I mean, I can't do

689
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: butterfly obviously, because I'll teach you this summer. Okay, Butterfly

690
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: is definitely the hardest man. But the breaststroke, it's nice.

691
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good stroke. I'm gonna I'm

692
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm teaching you to swim this summer some some strokes. Okay, Yeah,

693
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: I mean I can do a rudimentary breaststroke, but it

694
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: looks more like I'm just kind of bobbing up and down.

695
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm not really not going very far. Yeah. But once you,

696
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: once you, if you do it, you're like, oh, this

697
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: is what it's supposed to feel like. I know what

698
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I've had that sensation before too. But

699
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: you're just like a like a frog that ain't quite right,

700
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: you know. All right, So here's some other handy rules. Um,

701
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: if you have a newborn or a toddler or anybody

702
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: anyone basically up to about four um, they say to uh,

703
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: they call it touch supervision. So like, never be more

704
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: than an arm link away because it can happen very

705
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: fast in a swimming pool and a bathtub. Hub, get

706
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: off your cell phone, put down your Marie Claire in

707
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: your Red Book, and your Readers Digest or your Men's

708
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Health Sure or your Bodybuilders Weekly or your Mad magazine,

709
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: pay attention to your kid. Uh. If you have a pool,

710
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: you need to have that thing fenced in. Oh yeah,

711
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: or even better these days they have those excellent. Um

712
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: it's not a hard top, but it's between hard and

713
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: the little soft top that that are retractable. So you

714
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: get out and you go inside and you can you

715
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: can cover that pool right up. Yeah, although I think

716
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: by law you have to have a fence around, like

717
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: four sided fence um with like a self closing gate

718
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: that also self latches too. Yeah, and you have to

719
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: grease it with crisco so little kids can't climb. Well,

720
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: you do that anyway, right, but it is it's fun

721
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: to watch him try. You should learn CPR. You should

722
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: have all the little life saving implements at your pool.

723
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Oh another one I had not thought about this, but

724
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: if you have a pool, you want to have a

725
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: landline too, because you need to keep a phone that

726
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: works right by your pool at all times. Yes, so

727
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: you need to be like Thurston Howell and have a

728
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: pool that made out of a clamshell that a guy

729
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: in a white tuxedo can bring over and sit down

730
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: on a side table, or like Hunter Thompson at the

731
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Hotel. I need bring up Hunter Thompson at

732
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: some point in this. One other thing I want to

733
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: say to also, if your kid has like an episode

734
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: that looks like a close call to you but they

735
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: seem fine, then yes, keep an eye on them for

736
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: that the idea that they could conceivably have drowned and

737
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: they could be developing symptoms. And if they start to

738
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: develop any symptoms and take them to the e R

739
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: and the e R doctors will very kindly listen to

740
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: their lungs to see if they hear any water. Easy peace, right.

741
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: At the same time, don't freak out, Like if your

742
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: kid just coughs and sputters a little bit and they're

743
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: fine and they don't develop any symptoms at all, they're

744
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: fine most likely, right, But it does pay to be

745
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: vigilant and its it's it is better safe than sorry.

746
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: Just don't be terrified if you're your kid. You know,

747
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: as long as they didn't have anything that you could

748
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: be like that was kind of a drowning episode that

749
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: just happened, Um, you're probably in the clear. Yeah, it's

750
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: it's a rare case that kid in Texas. But because

751
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: it does happen. Keep an eye out for sure. On

752
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: the other hand, though the media like talking about this stuff,

753
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: supposedly is saved at least one other kid's life. Um

754
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: from the publicity that went around that case, that that

755
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: it happened to another kid later on in the parents

756
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: had heard about this and took their kid into the

757
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: e er and saved saved your life. I believe. There

758
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: you have it. Um. You also don't necessarily just drown

759
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: in a pool either, No, I mean this stuff is horrifying.

760
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: The thought of an infant drowning and a dog water

761
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: bowl is a nightmare scenario. Yeah, drop um, dog water bowl,

762
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: open cooler that has melted ice, um, toilets, a cleaning bucket,

763
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: anything that can hold something like one inch of water

764
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: is um is is enough to drown and an infant

765
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: and possibly a toddler I think too. Um, Cars people

766
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: drowning cars as well. Bathtubs are actually another one. So

767
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: get this man. So usually, uh, people who drown in

768
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: bathtubs are infants are the elderly. Um, but there's a

769
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: lot of adults who drown in bathtubs and specifically hot tubs.

770
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: Did you know about this well, I mean, yeah, you

771
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: get a little drunk, you're stand up too fast, and

772
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: you're dizzy from the temperature. It's not good. It's not

773
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: a good combo. And that's supposedly what happened to Oorvial Reddenbocker.

774
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: He was in a hot bath and suffered a heart

775
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: attack and ended up drowning. Whinney Houston died in a bathtub.

776
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: And I think every year in the US about three

777
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty people drowning their bathtub in a year.

778
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: It seems like a normal amount, right, Yeah. I guess

779
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: how many die in bathtubs in Japan in a year?

780
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: How many? Fourteen thousand? Why? I don't know. I think

781
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: they take more hot baths. They have the soccer tubs too, Yeah,

782
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: as part of it's like part of the culture. That's

783
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of. Because they also

784
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: have like one third of the population of the US too,

785
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: that's a lot of drowning deaths and bathtubs. Man. Man. Yeah, Well,

786
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: they did say to like more people die in Florida

787
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: in car drownings just because there are more waterfront roadways.

788
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: And then earlier when we talked about the h racial

789
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: aspect the whole deal, we kind of just kind of

790
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: flew past it. But Native Alaskans and indigenous people's um

791
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: died more than white people because they are more often

792
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: in bodies of water that are probably far away and

793
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: have logs and rocks and things underneath. Yeah, so they

794
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: have more exposure to natural bodies of water than the

795
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: average American. Yeah, you got anything else? Nope, Well that's drowning.

796
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Hopefully we helped in some way because summer's coming. Okay,

797
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: that's right, and I'm going to teach you the breaststroke. Sweet.

798
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about drowning, you can

799
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: type that sad said word into the search bar at

800
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: how stuff works and it'll bring up something. And since

801
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: I said that it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna

802
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: call this first thing I just pulled up on my

803
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: phone right here. Look at that nice But it's about

804
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: the Steve Miller band and peaches. Remember the emojis episode

805
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: one of us? Probably you, I didn't say Steve Miller,

806
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: I said, all men brothers. Oh well, he said, someone

807
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: mentioned the line from Steve Miller Band, I really like

808
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: your peaches. I want to shake your tree. Didn't want

809
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: of us not mentioned that. Now this person is out

810
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: of their mind. Well he has an email. Regardless, we

811
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: all love the Steve Miller band. Uh. Now this story

812
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: is probably not true, but I want you to believe it.

813
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: Back in college, when my youngest daughter was born, I

814
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: was driving a delivery truck for a small auto parts company.

815
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: I worked with this old guy and he was probably

816
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: like forty two. Uh and his stories. Uh. I worked

817
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: with this old guy. He's probably like forty two. That's

818
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: me talking. So one time he told me that he

819
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: worked in this auto shop years ago and it was

820
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: owned by this husband and wife. Uh. And he had

821
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: played bass for a little while with Steve Miller band,

822
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: and her name was Peaches, his wife. So the story

823
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: was that a line from Steve Miller really like your

824
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: Peaches want to shake your tree? Was Steve Miller taunting

825
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: his own bass player. I mean, he says, I don't

826
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: know if he's true, but the story is like, it

827
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: rang true enough. So I like to think that somewhere

828
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: there's a couple that owns an auto parts part store

829
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: in Arizona and uh to stick it to Steve Miller,

830
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: who doesn't want to stick it to Steve Miller, you know.

831
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: And that's from Jared Dude. I was in a the

832
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: local market near my house about a year ago and

833
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: some artisan tonic I know, uh, and my buddy Chris Cox,

834
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: you know who plays bass in my band, we were

835
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: he happened to be in there. We were kind of

836
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: talking about music. His wife's name is Peaches too. No,

837
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: it's not um. We're talking about music, and this guy

838
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: who looked like h like an old Southern rocker, came

839
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: up and he was like, you guys in a band? Yeah?

840
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: And he was like me too, It's like, oh yeah,

841
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: and I'm the flute player in the Marshall Tucker band. No,

842
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: And I was like whoa. Like, if Marshall Tucker band

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Speaker 1: what's the what's name off a couple of their FLUTEI songs? Well,

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Speaker 1: heard it in a love song. Can't be wrong that

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Speaker 1: one has that famous flute part. No, no, you know

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Speaker 1: that song, sure, but I can't think of the flute part.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's the whole intro. Dude, do do do

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Speaker 1: do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do

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Speaker 1: do do do do do that's all flute. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: guess I've never realized that. Anyway, A bunch of their

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Speaker 1: songs have the flute, and he is, granted, he was

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Speaker 1: not the original flutist. He's one of these, you know,

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Speaker 1: Marshall Tucker Bands, one of those deals where it's like

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Speaker 1: two original members. They've had twenty twenty flute players, like

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Speaker 1: the Temptations or something. Yeah, but I was still impressive. Man,

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Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. It is impressive. And then like anchor man,

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Speaker 1: he whipped one out of his sleeve right there in

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Speaker 1: the store, kicked some candles off the tables in winter time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd say Marshall Tucker Band is second only to Jethro

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Speaker 1: Toll for flute innovation. Okay, that's who I'm thinking of.

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Speaker 1: They did like aqua long Hey, hey, how about that.

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Speaker 1: We just came full circle. All right, let's just end it.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with Chuck and

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