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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, Welcome to another episode of Cadaver Gaws.

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Speaker 1: The show or we talk about all the ways people

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Speaker 1: have died throughout history to cope with our own mortality,

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Speaker 1: and we're coping and we're so strong, yes, thick skinned

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Speaker 1: and not sad. Okay, I'm Gabby along with Nika Hi

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Hello, and today we're gonna hear some fun

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Speaker 1: stories that both of them involve religion. So we have,

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Speaker 1: you know, a dude who thinks about volcanoes a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and then we have a dude who you know, tries

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're gonna talk about today. So some

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Speaker 1: trigger warnings are religion, sex, murder, colonization, and your body

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Speaker 1: bursting into flames. So this is Cadaver Gals and que

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Speaker 1: the musick the Goal. We're gonna start off today's show

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Speaker 1: with Taylor taking us way back in time, you know,

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Speaker 1: way the fuck back. So Taylor, you know, paint us

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Speaker 1: a picture. Where are we going? What's going on? I

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Speaker 1: will We're going to talk about this fella named Empedocles,

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Speaker 1: and Pedocles and he was hanging out in fifth century

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Speaker 1: you're right. I bet their beaches were like even nicer

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Speaker 1: because they already have really nice beaches because they have

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Speaker 1: The water was probably cleaner, but they don't have the

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Speaker 1: Think of the beach. The beach was untouched, okay, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Also think of the food yum or at least the

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Speaker 1: poops were well placed started like spaced out on the beach. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to use that mixed with the rocks

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Speaker 1: because they don't have sand. Yeah, okay, So anyway, and Pedocles,

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Speaker 1: he was a man of the arts and science, oh

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Speaker 1: first and foremost. He was categorized as a philosopher, but

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Speaker 1: he was also a poet, religious teacher, and a statesman.

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Speaker 1: As any good multifaceted man. He would write his philosophy

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Speaker 1: love a well rounded man. Yes, I think we need

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Speaker 1: more poets in you know, the Senate, right, I think

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Speaker 1: So his parents were apparently over involved in overthrowing the Rasidius,

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Speaker 1: because that's more than we can say today as Americans. Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe it was just easier to overthrow them. Like. Also,

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Speaker 1: So Empedocles was the one who came up with the

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Speaker 1: gods for example, Zeus the gleaming hera who gives life,

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Speaker 1: But most notably, he was a fashionista. He wore bronze

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Speaker 1: do be having sex. Okay, wait, you can be on

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00:24:34,525 --> 00:24:38,045
Speaker 1: birth control and a virgin. Let's that is true. That

419
00:24:38,205 --> 00:24:40,645
Speaker 1: is true. Let's say there are lots of reasons why

420
00:24:40,685 --> 00:24:43,005
Speaker 1: one would be on birth control. That is not to

421
00:24:43,205 --> 00:24:49,165
Speaker 1: prevent tiny demons. Oh my gosh, Taylor, but yeah, it's true.

422
00:24:49,245 --> 00:24:51,965
Speaker 1: Is that what you referred to as babies? Yes, tiny

423
00:24:52,045 --> 00:24:58,485
Speaker 1: little demon especially our baby. Can you with them? Gabby? Taylor?

424
00:24:58,565 --> 00:25:00,765
Speaker 1: I want to save to have a baby together. Okay, yeah,

425
00:25:00,885 --> 00:25:03,765
Speaker 1: let's somehow let's do the science. That would be such

426
00:25:03,765 --> 00:25:08,125
Speaker 1: a hellion. Yeah, wow, okay, it'll be It'll have a horsehead,

427
00:25:08,325 --> 00:25:11,005
Speaker 1: just like a movie. Sorry to bother you. How is

428
00:25:11,085 --> 00:25:13,565
Speaker 1: that cute? Taylor? How is that cute? That is not cute?

429
00:25:13,805 --> 00:25:17,485
Speaker 1: I said, Oh that's okay, Taylor, But like you wouldn't

430
00:25:17,765 --> 00:25:23,205
Speaker 1: you wouldn't fuck a horseman, no, a centaur or like

431
00:25:23,285 --> 00:25:26,045
Speaker 1: a horsehead with a man's body, or like a man

432
00:25:26,445 --> 00:25:31,645
Speaker 1: with a horse But I'm not, like, why don't you

433
00:25:31,685 --> 00:25:37,845
Speaker 1: marry would? Spoiler alert they're also not real? Oh well

434
00:25:38,365 --> 00:25:40,405
Speaker 1: you guys, my niece is going to be a unicorn

435
00:25:40,845 --> 00:25:42,565
Speaker 1: and we were well, have you told her that those

436
00:25:42,565 --> 00:25:45,645
Speaker 1: aren't real, because well, yeah you should, so we were.

437
00:25:46,085 --> 00:25:48,245
Speaker 1: My sister was like, oh, I can't find like a

438
00:25:48,325 --> 00:25:50,725
Speaker 1: white leotard, and I was like, it doesn't matter, They're

439
00:25:50,725 --> 00:25:54,525
Speaker 1: not real. It can be whatever. Call you such a

440
00:25:54,605 --> 00:25:57,605
Speaker 1: bad aunt. Okay, Well I'm also going to be not

441
00:25:57,725 --> 00:26:02,325
Speaker 1: something not real for Halloween. Gonna be Jesus, Oh my God,

442
00:26:04,845 --> 00:26:09,445
Speaker 1: urging Mary Gabby this year I'm Jesus. Well, speaking of Jesus,

443
00:26:09,485 --> 00:26:11,685
Speaker 1: this is a good tangent actually, because we're going to

444
00:26:11,805 --> 00:26:16,925
Speaker 1: get into Christianity today. We're visiting the year of twenty eighteen,

445
00:26:17,205 --> 00:26:21,525
Speaker 1: so pretty recent COVID had not happened. God's Plan by

446
00:26:21,645 --> 00:26:24,485
Speaker 1: Drake was the number one song that year, which is

447
00:26:25,005 --> 00:26:29,885
Speaker 1: a little ironic. And John alan Chow decides to finally

448
00:26:30,005 --> 00:26:32,405
Speaker 1: go on a mission trip he has been planning for

449
00:26:32,445 --> 00:26:35,565
Speaker 1: a very long time. You know. John was twenty six

450
00:26:35,685 --> 00:26:38,725
Speaker 1: year old Christian missionary and he was born in Alabama

451
00:26:38,805 --> 00:26:41,605
Speaker 1: and grew up in the Pacific Northwest, which gave him

452
00:26:41,925 --> 00:26:45,205
Speaker 1: ample opportunity to explore the outdoors and develop a love

453
00:26:45,245 --> 00:26:50,245
Speaker 1: for adventure like all the tender people, and this eventual

454
00:26:50,325 --> 00:26:52,965
Speaker 1: love for adventure would lead to his demise. Well, those

455
00:26:52,965 --> 00:26:55,605
Speaker 1: plus other things which we will talk about. He attended

456
00:26:55,645 --> 00:26:58,605
Speaker 1: a small Christian high school in Vancouver and was very

457
00:26:58,645 --> 00:27:03,445
Speaker 1: passionate about his religion about Jesus, as Gabby just mentioned.

458
00:27:04,645 --> 00:27:08,965
Speaker 1: Gabby mentioned Jesus. Gabby did, Yeah, I did. His family

459
00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:13,325
Speaker 1: attended a Pentecostal church and he was a part of

460
00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:16,885
Speaker 1: this group called the Royal Rangers throughout high school, which

461
00:27:16,925 --> 00:27:20,605
Speaker 1: is a Pentecostal scouting organization similar to like Boy Scouts,

462
00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:23,165
Speaker 1: but has like a ministry kind of edge to it,

463
00:27:23,205 --> 00:27:26,685
Speaker 1: I guess. According to their website, they quote provide men

464
00:27:26,765 --> 00:27:29,685
Speaker 1: with the tools to model christ Like manhood as they

465
00:27:29,725 --> 00:27:34,085
Speaker 1: mentor boys on a Bible based, Christ centered, spirit empowered

466
00:27:34,125 --> 00:27:39,685
Speaker 1: journey to maturity in the faith. That sounds us. It's

467
00:27:39,725 --> 00:27:42,405
Speaker 1: so oh my gosh. I was reading the website. It's

468
00:27:42,445 --> 00:27:47,165
Speaker 1: so gendered. It's hilarious. It's like guy friendly Bible teaching boys,

469
00:27:47,365 --> 00:27:50,525
Speaker 1: time for boys, Bible for boys, the babes, Like what

470
00:27:50,565 --> 00:27:53,485
Speaker 1: does that even mean? Like, I don't understand. That's always

471
00:27:53,525 --> 00:27:55,245
Speaker 1: the problem with the Bible though, It sins I need

472
00:27:55,285 --> 00:27:58,325
Speaker 1: a dude only version, you know, I just hate how

473
00:27:58,445 --> 00:28:01,085
Speaker 1: many women are in the Bible already, you know, yeah,

474
00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:04,645
Speaker 1: you well, Gabby needs a Bible for girls. Gabbie needs

475
00:28:04,645 --> 00:28:09,845
Speaker 1: a girl Bible any yeah, yeah, yeah, pink. There's lots

476
00:28:09,885 --> 00:28:14,045
Speaker 1: of illustrations because reading is very hard for girls, especially

477
00:28:14,045 --> 00:28:17,685
Speaker 1: for girls. It would cost a lot more too. Yeah

478
00:28:17,485 --> 00:28:20,325
Speaker 1: yeah with the tampon tact on the girl Bible. We

479
00:28:20,445 --> 00:28:22,765
Speaker 1: say this, but I literally think I did have a

480
00:28:22,805 --> 00:28:27,165
Speaker 1: Pink for girls Bible and growing up. So okay, wow

481
00:28:27,245 --> 00:28:31,765
Speaker 1: wow okay. So he Yeah, he quickly got plugged into

482
00:28:31,845 --> 00:28:36,405
Speaker 1: the mission trip high school pipeline situation, which basically combined

483
00:28:36,405 --> 00:28:38,925
Speaker 1: his love for the outdoors and his belief system, so

484
00:28:38,965 --> 00:28:43,365
Speaker 1: it made sense that he would go down this treacherous journey.

485
00:28:43,365 --> 00:28:46,845
Speaker 1: Eventually he became this adventure bro. He documented all of

486
00:28:46,845 --> 00:28:49,445
Speaker 1: his travels on Instagram and a blog that he updated

487
00:28:49,485 --> 00:28:53,365
Speaker 1: fairly often. Apparently during high school he read about this

488
00:28:53,405 --> 00:28:57,325
Speaker 1: indigenous tribe called the Sentinels who live on North Sentinel

489
00:28:57,365 --> 00:29:01,885
Speaker 1: Island in the northeastern Indian Ocean, like near Myanmar basically,

490
00:29:02,245 --> 00:29:04,805
Speaker 1: and it's estimated that they're about fifty to two hundred

491
00:29:04,845 --> 00:29:08,165
Speaker 1: tribe members on the five mile long and four mile

492
00:29:08,285 --> 00:29:13,005
Speaker 1: wide island, very very small, very isolated. It's estimated fifty

493
00:29:13,045 --> 00:29:15,765
Speaker 1: to two hundred, but no one really knows because you

494
00:29:15,805 --> 00:29:19,125
Speaker 1: don't really see them. There is one extremely famous picture

495
00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:23,045
Speaker 1: that a National Geographic photographer took of a Sentineli's man

496
00:29:23,325 --> 00:29:26,125
Speaker 1: holding like a bow and arrow up at a at

497
00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:28,885
Speaker 1: a helicopter. So they do not want to be visited.

498
00:29:28,925 --> 00:29:30,525
Speaker 1: They don't want to be They don't want to hang out.

499
00:29:30,565 --> 00:29:32,525
Speaker 1: They don't want to know about cars. They don't want

500
00:29:32,525 --> 00:29:34,525
Speaker 1: to know about Cardi B. Like they just don't not

501
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:41,845
Speaker 1: Cardi B. I mean that of modern times. They don't

502
00:29:41,885 --> 00:29:44,165
Speaker 1: want to be poisoned by Instagram and to talk about

503
00:29:44,205 --> 00:29:48,205
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. They don't want to know, which honestly big

504
00:29:48,205 --> 00:29:51,725
Speaker 1: good for them vibes. So yeah, very small, very isolated.

505
00:29:51,725 --> 00:29:53,645
Speaker 1: They like to keep it that way. They are, as

506
00:29:53,685 --> 00:29:56,405
Speaker 1: I said, hostile to outsiders and they are accustomed to

507
00:29:56,445 --> 00:30:01,085
Speaker 1: shooting arrows at helicopters or anyone who approaches the island

508
00:30:01,205 --> 00:30:03,925
Speaker 1: via boat or any via anything. In general, they have

509
00:30:04,005 --> 00:30:06,965
Speaker 1: killed outsiders before. So the Indian government had to make

510
00:30:07,005 --> 00:30:09,725
Speaker 1: the island a tribal reserve and they prohibited travel within

511
00:30:09,845 --> 00:30:14,205
Speaker 1: three nautical miles of the island. Their hunter gatherers, they're

512
00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:16,285
Speaker 1: usually naked most of the time. They live in like

513
00:30:16,325 --> 00:30:19,485
Speaker 1: temporary huts, have their own language, which we know absolutely

514
00:30:19,525 --> 00:30:22,165
Speaker 1: nothing about, and so they're just here, they're hanging out,

515
00:30:22,245 --> 00:30:25,245
Speaker 1: and John finds out that this tribe exists, and he

516
00:30:25,285 --> 00:30:27,445
Speaker 1: can't get them out of his head. He found out,

517
00:30:27,485 --> 00:30:29,005
Speaker 1: it seems like, he found out about the tribe through

518
00:30:29,045 --> 00:30:33,685
Speaker 1: this website that basically tries to take the Bible to

519
00:30:34,005 --> 00:30:39,565
Speaker 1: remote parts of the world, and the Sentinel's was probably

520
00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:43,445
Speaker 1: either one of the most or the most remote isolated

521
00:30:44,165 --> 00:30:49,005
Speaker 1: on contacted place that you could go to take Christianity too, essentially,

522
00:30:49,645 --> 00:30:52,925
Speaker 1: and he just became fixated on these people. He ends

523
00:30:52,965 --> 00:30:56,725
Speaker 1: up going to Oral Roberts, which is this private evangelical

524
00:30:56,805 --> 00:31:01,565
Speaker 1: university in Oklahoma. So so you know, this is kind

525
00:31:01,565 --> 00:31:03,445
Speaker 1: of scary to me already because this kid had a

526
00:31:03,525 --> 00:31:07,325
Speaker 1: very Christian upbringing, gets really really into it, and then

527
00:31:08,005 --> 00:31:10,405
Speaker 1: he's taught about this kind of missionary I said in

528
00:31:10,525 --> 00:31:14,445
Speaker 1: quotes missionary lifestyle and calling also in quotes because I

529
00:31:14,485 --> 00:31:19,005
Speaker 1: think that is just modern that's neo colonialism anyway, And

530
00:31:19,565 --> 00:31:23,605
Speaker 1: he's taught this idea that converting everyone in Christianity is

531
00:31:23,645 --> 00:31:26,285
Speaker 1: what he is meant to do on this earth, which,

532
00:31:26,325 --> 00:31:28,925
Speaker 1: by the way, again is the excuse many violent colonizers

533
00:31:28,925 --> 00:31:32,325
Speaker 1: have used for centuries. Love that. Yeah, and then he

534
00:31:32,365 --> 00:31:37,405
Speaker 1: goes to this intensely conservative evangelical university. I mean they

535
00:31:37,445 --> 00:31:42,405
Speaker 1: are like extremely like no smoking, no drinking, no partying, abstinence,

536
00:31:42,565 --> 00:31:46,205
Speaker 1: like everyone is there for this higher calling. It's a

537
00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:50,685
Speaker 1: very intense and very closed environment. You say, like smoking

538
00:31:50,765 --> 00:31:53,205
Speaker 1: or drinking, no partying, like that's the only like it's

539
00:31:53,245 --> 00:31:56,325
Speaker 1: more intense than that. Oh, I know, those are just

540
00:31:56,365 --> 00:31:59,285
Speaker 1: like the base rules. Okay. So while in college he

541
00:31:59,325 --> 00:32:01,765
Speaker 1: went on summer mission trips. He spent time in South

542
00:32:01,765 --> 00:32:05,805
Speaker 1: Africa and Kurdistan in Israel, he graduated in twenty route

543
00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:08,525
Speaker 1: and then he was offered a full time job, but

544
00:32:08,725 --> 00:32:11,805
Speaker 1: decided to focus even more on his missionary work and

545
00:32:11,845 --> 00:32:17,565
Speaker 1: he started preparing to meet the sentineles. Okay, so preparing

546
00:32:17,605 --> 00:32:20,605
Speaker 1: for something like this is very intense. He took courses

547
00:32:20,685 --> 00:32:24,285
Speaker 1: at the National Outdoor Leadership School. He remained single to

548
00:32:24,325 --> 00:32:27,445
Speaker 1: focus on God and his calling. He worked as a

549
00:32:27,525 --> 00:32:30,165
Speaker 1: ranger in the summers and like stay of this isolated

550
00:32:30,205 --> 00:32:32,965
Speaker 1: cabin and check care of the woods and did what

551
00:32:33,085 --> 00:32:35,685
Speaker 1: rangers do. He trained to be an EMT and then

552
00:32:35,685 --> 00:32:38,405
Speaker 1: also coach soccer for refugee kids. So he was just

553
00:32:38,525 --> 00:32:40,845
Speaker 1: like doing all of this stuff. And then in twenty

554
00:32:40,845 --> 00:32:44,005
Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty sixteen he went to the Endeman Islands,

555
00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:47,525
Speaker 1: which is where North Sentinel Island is, but he did

556
00:32:47,525 --> 00:32:50,685
Speaker 1: not attempt to see or like try to connect with

557
00:32:50,725 --> 00:32:54,925
Speaker 1: the Sentinelies. Yet he basically just went there to scopings

558
00:32:54,965 --> 00:32:57,485
Speaker 1: out to engage with a Christian community of the islands,

559
00:32:57,885 --> 00:33:00,805
Speaker 1: and he actually went back four times in twenty sixteen.

560
00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:02,925
Speaker 1: The people in his life knew about his plans and

561
00:33:02,925 --> 00:33:05,085
Speaker 1: supported him for the most part, though it seems like

562
00:33:05,165 --> 00:33:07,445
Speaker 1: him and dad did not see eye to eye on

563
00:33:07,445 --> 00:33:11,725
Speaker 1: the whole missionary thing. And his dad actually is quoted

564
00:33:11,805 --> 00:33:16,205
Speaker 1: saying religion is the opium of the masses and that

565
00:33:16,965 --> 00:33:23,005
Speaker 1: John is gone today because of quote extreme Christianity, which fair.

566
00:33:23,565 --> 00:33:26,845
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, John attended a three week missionary boot

567
00:33:26,845 --> 00:33:31,045
Speaker 1: camp with this organization called All Nations, and I was like,

568
00:33:31,125 --> 00:33:34,765
Speaker 1: either website and it's it is so cult like, it's insane.

569
00:33:35,045 --> 00:33:37,525
Speaker 1: All Nations says that Christians have to have a wartime

570
00:33:37,645 --> 00:33:41,125
Speaker 1: mentality when it comes to converting people. During those boot

571
00:33:41,125 --> 00:33:44,445
Speaker 1: camps is so cringey. There was even a mock village

572
00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:49,285
Speaker 1: part of the boot camp where basically employees would dress

573
00:33:49,325 --> 00:33:55,485
Speaker 1: up as indigenous tribes people and act hostile. I just

574
00:33:56,005 --> 00:33:58,765
Speaker 1: I just picture that, and I'm so embarrassed to be

575
00:33:58,805 --> 00:34:01,365
Speaker 1: a person living in society. Why can I not be

576
00:34:01,485 --> 00:34:05,365
Speaker 1: a bear or something like that hanging out? Not think

577
00:34:06,445 --> 00:34:09,485
Speaker 1: bears are great. According to the organization's leader, John was

578
00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:11,645
Speaker 1: one of the best trainees they ever had, and he

579
00:34:11,685 --> 00:34:14,005
Speaker 1: shared his mission with all nations. He kind of told

580
00:34:14,045 --> 00:34:17,005
Speaker 1: them was on his heart, and though they told him

581
00:34:17,005 --> 00:34:21,885
Speaker 1: it was risky, they were very, very supportive. So everyone

582
00:34:21,965 --> 00:34:24,765
Speaker 1: knew kind of what he was up to, and a

583
00:34:24,805 --> 00:34:27,325
Speaker 1: lot of friends of his are quoted saying like nothing

584
00:34:27,725 --> 00:34:30,925
Speaker 1: was going to change his mind, Like to him, this

585
00:34:31,045 --> 00:34:35,245
Speaker 1: was a calling from God. So in October of twenty eighteen,

586
00:34:35,525 --> 00:34:38,005
Speaker 1: he was ready and he went to Port Blair in

587
00:34:38,045 --> 00:34:40,765
Speaker 1: the Endemic Islands, which is the capital, and he stayed

588
00:34:40,765 --> 00:34:43,365
Speaker 1: in what he called a safe house. He had gotten

589
00:34:43,405 --> 00:34:46,765
Speaker 1: thirteen immunizations to try and avoid getting the tribes people sick,

590
00:34:47,565 --> 00:34:50,325
Speaker 1: but he also quarantined in the safe house, so he didn't,

591
00:34:50,365 --> 00:34:52,925
Speaker 1: you know, bring the flu to an almost extinct group

592
00:34:52,965 --> 00:34:56,525
Speaker 1: of people. As I'm like rolling my eyes because there's

593
00:34:56,525 --> 00:35:00,365
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any amount of preparedness to make

594
00:35:00,405 --> 00:35:02,565
Speaker 1: sure that you will not get this. These people sick

595
00:35:02,645 --> 00:35:04,965
Speaker 1: when they literally have not had contact with people for

596
00:35:04,965 --> 00:35:08,365
Speaker 1: a decade anyways, kind of ironic as well, But yeah,

597
00:35:08,365 --> 00:35:11,205
Speaker 1: he was a massive admirer of Jim Elliott, who was

598
00:35:11,245 --> 00:35:14,845
Speaker 1: a missionary killed by tribespeople in Aqualud, and Bruce Olsen,

599
00:35:14,885 --> 00:35:17,365
Speaker 1: who is another missionary who converted a tribe in the

600
00:35:17,445 --> 00:35:21,285
Speaker 1: border of Columbia Venezuela. So John kept a very detailed

601
00:35:21,365 --> 00:35:24,645
Speaker 1: journal inspired by these people. He wrote kind of how

602
00:35:24,645 --> 00:35:28,325
Speaker 1: his heroes did, with intense details because he very much

603
00:35:28,405 --> 00:35:30,365
Speaker 1: knew how dangerous his plan was, and I think he

604
00:35:30,405 --> 00:35:34,365
Speaker 1: was writing for like, for people to know what would

605
00:35:34,485 --> 00:35:36,005
Speaker 1: end up happening to him. So he wrote like a

606
00:35:36,045 --> 00:35:38,325
Speaker 1: thirteen page journal which is available and I did read

607
00:35:38,365 --> 00:35:41,965
Speaker 1: some of it, and it is harrowing. It's really haunting

608
00:35:42,045 --> 00:35:44,485
Speaker 1: that most because of the context of John's story, and

609
00:35:44,485 --> 00:35:47,645
Speaker 1: it's also really sad because it's kind of crazy. He

610
00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:50,085
Speaker 1: very clearly believed that he was doing the right thing,

611
00:35:50,645 --> 00:35:53,365
Speaker 1: and he would write things like, God, if you want

612
00:35:53,365 --> 00:35:55,045
Speaker 1: me to get shot, so be it. I think I

613
00:35:55,045 --> 00:35:57,365
Speaker 1: am more useful alive. But to you God, I give

614
00:35:57,405 --> 00:36:01,045
Speaker 1: glory to whatever happens. And he also wrote like, you

615
00:36:01,085 --> 00:36:02,925
Speaker 1: guys might think I'm crazy for all of this, but

616
00:36:03,005 --> 00:36:05,445
Speaker 1: I think it's worth it to declare Jesus to these people,

617
00:36:05,605 --> 00:36:08,685
Speaker 1: people who do not know English. He doesn't even understand

618
00:36:08,725 --> 00:36:13,605
Speaker 1: their language. There's I just there's so many things that

619
00:36:13,645 --> 00:36:15,805
Speaker 1: are not clicking in my brain as to this plan

620
00:36:16,005 --> 00:36:18,645
Speaker 1: that I'm just like okay, especially as it's also just

621
00:36:18,685 --> 00:36:21,165
Speaker 1: like literally illegal to go to that island. It was

622
00:36:21,445 --> 00:36:27,765
Speaker 1: actively illegal. It is a protected island, like you cannot God. Yeah,

623
00:36:28,965 --> 00:36:31,725
Speaker 1: So on the fourteenth of November, John and two fishermen

624
00:36:31,845 --> 00:36:34,325
Speaker 1: set out to North Sentinel Island. They had to go

625
00:36:34,365 --> 00:36:37,045
Speaker 1: on darkness because coast guards would have stopped them. John

626
00:36:37,045 --> 00:36:39,685
Speaker 1: paid the fisherman three hundred and fifty dollars to get there,

627
00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:42,645
Speaker 1: and he tried first contact on the fifteenth of November,

628
00:36:42,965 --> 00:36:46,445
Speaker 1: stripping toes underwear, kayaking to shore and bringing gifts of

629
00:36:46,525 --> 00:36:49,485
Speaker 1: fish for the tribe. They yelled at him in their

630
00:36:49,605 --> 00:36:52,645
Speaker 1: language and started stringing their bows, so he kind of

631
00:36:53,165 --> 00:36:56,605
Speaker 1: through the fish at them. He said, I am John

632
00:36:56,685 --> 00:37:00,365
Speaker 1: and Jesus loves you, and then paddled away away very quickly.

633
00:37:01,045 --> 00:37:03,565
Speaker 1: So that was the first contact that ever happened. He

634
00:37:03,605 --> 00:37:06,765
Speaker 1: made her note after this saying he was disappointed they

635
00:37:06,765 --> 00:37:12,245
Speaker 1: didn't accept him immediately, I know. So he tried again

636
00:37:12,325 --> 00:37:14,405
Speaker 1: that same day, and this time he was able to

637
00:37:14,445 --> 00:37:16,925
Speaker 1: walk on the shore. He tried to mimic the tribes

638
00:37:17,005 --> 00:37:23,405
Speaker 1: people's sounds and started singing worships songs to them in English.

639
00:37:23,445 --> 00:37:26,285
Speaker 1: And then he said things were going well, and then

640
00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:28,805
Speaker 1: a little boy came up to him and shot him

641
00:37:28,845 --> 00:37:31,965
Speaker 1: with an arrow in a lie. They took his kayak,

642
00:37:32,045 --> 00:37:33,965
Speaker 1: so he had to swim with the arrow wound to

643
00:37:34,045 --> 00:37:39,125
Speaker 1: the boat, which was a mile away. Yeah, that evening,

644
00:37:39,165 --> 00:37:41,605
Speaker 1: he wrote in his journal that he was convinced this

645
00:37:41,765 --> 00:37:45,725
Speaker 1: island was Satan's last stronghold and that he missed his

646
00:37:45,765 --> 00:37:48,325
Speaker 1: family and he was heartbroken. Then he was shot at

647
00:37:48,405 --> 00:37:52,645
Speaker 1: and confused. If someone comes into your house and you

648
00:37:52,685 --> 00:37:54,725
Speaker 1: do not want them into your house, and you have

649
00:37:54,845 --> 00:37:56,765
Speaker 1: them leave, and then they come back again, so you

650
00:37:56,885 --> 00:37:59,245
Speaker 1: hurt them so they will not come back again, how

651
00:37:59,285 --> 00:38:03,045
Speaker 1: has that person confused as to like what you want?

652
00:38:03,165 --> 00:38:05,365
Speaker 1: You clearly do not want that person to be in

653
00:38:05,365 --> 00:38:09,165
Speaker 1: your house anyway. He decided to try contact once more

654
00:38:09,325 --> 00:38:12,125
Speaker 1: the next day, and this time he asked the fishing

655
00:38:12,165 --> 00:38:14,925
Speaker 1: boat to leave for the entire day so he could

656
00:38:14,925 --> 00:38:18,045
Speaker 1: approach without the boat nearby at all, and he was

657
00:38:18,125 --> 00:38:23,685
Speaker 1: never seen again, so we can oh, well, we don't

658
00:38:23,725 --> 00:38:27,445
Speaker 1: need to assume, because fishermen confirmed seeing the tribe bury

659
00:38:27,485 --> 00:38:30,125
Speaker 1: a body in a shallow grave a few days after,

660
00:38:30,765 --> 00:38:33,125
Speaker 1: and there were a couple of attempts claiming the body

661
00:38:33,165 --> 00:38:35,925
Speaker 1: by the Indian government, but they were met with hostility

662
00:38:36,125 --> 00:38:39,525
Speaker 1: again from the tribes people, and eventually they decided it

663
00:38:39,565 --> 00:38:44,205
Speaker 1: was not worth it. Many strong evangelicals, like the Leader

664
00:38:44,285 --> 00:38:46,125
Speaker 1: of All Nations who had said he was a great

665
00:38:46,125 --> 00:38:49,005
Speaker 1: recruit or whatever, said that he was a martyr and

666
00:38:49,205 --> 00:38:53,365
Speaker 1: praised his actions and were inspired by him. And then

667
00:38:53,365 --> 00:38:57,285
Speaker 1: one of his friends actually said my ancestors literally quoted saying,

668
00:38:57,445 --> 00:39:00,405
Speaker 1: my ancestors were savages, and I'm glad that missionaries taught

669
00:39:00,405 --> 00:39:03,045
Speaker 1: them Christianity and civility, because I wouldn't want to live

670
00:39:03,045 --> 00:39:06,165
Speaker 1: the way they were living back there. There was obviously

671
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:10,765
Speaker 1: a lot of international talk about this and what what

672
00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:14,405
Speaker 1: does this mean, modernday, colonization, blah blah, whether he was

673
00:39:14,485 --> 00:39:18,525
Speaker 1: dumb or really called from God or whatever. But the

674
00:39:18,645 --> 00:39:22,485
Speaker 1: point is it's really a sad story, and his family

675
00:39:22,525 --> 00:39:24,805
Speaker 1: work did not approve of his actions. They do not

676
00:39:24,965 --> 00:39:29,805
Speaker 1: condone what he did at all, and extreme religion is

677
00:39:30,525 --> 00:39:32,965
Speaker 1: truly the opium of the masses. As his dad said,

678
00:39:33,925 --> 00:39:38,165
Speaker 1: while we Nika, that was a lot. Yeah, a lot

679
00:39:38,245 --> 00:39:41,205
Speaker 1: of things happened. I needed like a mental break after

680
00:39:41,485 --> 00:39:45,605
Speaker 1: researching that because it's just like so bad, it's just

681
00:39:45,645 --> 00:39:51,125
Speaker 1: so bad. Yeah. Well, um, we're gonna take another little

682
00:39:51,165 --> 00:39:55,245
Speaker 1: break and then I'll talk about something why wildly inappropriate

683
00:39:55,325 --> 00:40:01,285
Speaker 1: based off of that story. So we'll be right back. Hello,

684
00:40:01,445 --> 00:40:05,085
Speaker 1: cadaver Pals. We have one last little bit to get

685
00:40:05,085 --> 00:40:08,845
Speaker 1: through for this episode, and it's gonna be based on

686
00:40:08,885 --> 00:40:12,165
Speaker 1: the seriousness of Nika's story that she told. This is

687
00:40:12,165 --> 00:40:16,565
Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, just very inappropriate and silly. But

688
00:40:16,645 --> 00:40:19,805
Speaker 1: you know what, that's what happens on Cadaver Gals. So

689
00:40:20,005 --> 00:40:22,365
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking some We were talking about missionaries.

690
00:40:22,405 --> 00:40:31,405
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the missionary position. Okay, I

691
00:40:31,485 --> 00:40:33,445
Speaker 1: was so scared you were going to go there, Gabby,

692
00:40:33,645 --> 00:40:38,325
Speaker 1: what the heck of all things? Of all tangents. Well,

693
00:40:38,485 --> 00:40:41,525
Speaker 1: I think it does sort of coal play into the

694
00:40:41,685 --> 00:40:46,005
Speaker 1: history of you know, missionaries and colonization and stuff a

695
00:40:46,045 --> 00:40:50,445
Speaker 1: little bit. So the thing is the missionary position that

696
00:40:50,445 --> 00:40:53,925
Speaker 1: that actual term for it didn't come up until like

697
00:40:54,445 --> 00:40:56,405
Speaker 1: I think, it wasn't found to be like actually written

698
00:40:56,405 --> 00:40:59,685
Speaker 1: down until like the nineteen sixties. And what people kind

699
00:40:59,685 --> 00:41:02,285
Speaker 1: of think is that Alfred Kenzie, you know, who is

700
00:41:02,325 --> 00:41:05,165
Speaker 1: like the premier sex scientists, Like he kind of like

701
00:41:05,245 --> 00:41:07,805
Speaker 1: hit off the whole study of sexuality. It's like, oh,

702
00:41:07,805 --> 00:41:10,685
Speaker 1: maybe we should actually think about this a little bit more.

703
00:41:11,725 --> 00:41:14,605
Speaker 1: He is thought to be the first person to ever

704
00:41:14,725 --> 00:41:18,285
Speaker 1: actually use missionary position as a term to talk about

705
00:41:18,325 --> 00:41:22,285
Speaker 1: you know, like face to face intercourse with the penis

706
00:41:22,285 --> 00:41:25,965
Speaker 1: on the top going into the whatever vagina, you know,

707
00:41:25,965 --> 00:41:29,645
Speaker 1: whatever hole, the whatever hole. That is what missionary is.

708
00:41:29,685 --> 00:41:35,845
Speaker 1: So like hole on the bottom, penis on the top. Yeah,

709
00:41:35,885 --> 00:41:41,805
Speaker 1: it is the male or the penis dominant position basically.

710
00:41:42,365 --> 00:41:45,765
Speaker 1: And what people be thinking, like, there's this guy named

711
00:41:46,285 --> 00:41:50,045
Speaker 1: Robert Priest who's a he's a scholar, a scholar. He

712
00:41:50,085 --> 00:41:52,205
Speaker 1: wrote this essay in like two thousand and one just

713
00:41:52,285 --> 00:41:54,765
Speaker 1: kind of like talking about like the missionary position and

714
00:41:54,925 --> 00:41:56,845
Speaker 1: kind of like where it came from. And then then

715
00:41:56,885 --> 00:41:58,845
Speaker 1: he went into some sort of like you know, larger

716
00:41:58,925 --> 00:42:03,885
Speaker 1: argument about like postmodern religion and kind of looking at

717
00:42:03,925 --> 00:42:06,365
Speaker 1: it in that context. Anyway, we're not going to do

718
00:42:06,405 --> 00:42:08,085
Speaker 1: that as much, but he was kind of trying to

719
00:42:08,085 --> 00:42:10,965
Speaker 1: figure out why it was called missionary position. And what

720
00:42:11,005 --> 00:42:15,405
Speaker 1: he's thinking is that Kinzie, he basically like kind of

721
00:42:15,445 --> 00:42:19,405
Speaker 1: created the term based on either like a mistranslation or

722
00:42:19,445 --> 00:42:23,565
Speaker 1: like a misquote of a bunch of other people because

723
00:42:23,725 --> 00:42:26,845
Speaker 1: they had all these legends and stories about like missionaries

724
00:42:27,205 --> 00:42:30,285
Speaker 1: going to like indigenous populations and trying to convert them,

725
00:42:30,725 --> 00:42:32,525
Speaker 1: and this was like the position that they were saying

726
00:42:32,605 --> 00:42:34,885
Speaker 1: was the one that had the least amount of sin

727
00:42:35,685 --> 00:42:38,525
Speaker 1: attached to it. So there was like one story that

728
00:42:38,605 --> 00:42:41,485
Speaker 1: people would quote where it was like like a tribe

729
00:42:41,485 --> 00:42:44,885
Speaker 1: and like the South Pacific, and like there's this story

730
00:42:44,925 --> 00:42:47,605
Speaker 1: where like missionaries went there and they were totally shocked.

731
00:42:48,005 --> 00:42:50,605
Speaker 1: But you know, all not only that they weren't using

732
00:42:50,645 --> 00:42:53,045
Speaker 1: missionary position, like they were more likely to like have

733
00:42:53,165 --> 00:42:55,925
Speaker 1: like the penis behind the vaginas, so kind of doing

734
00:42:55,925 --> 00:42:58,805
Speaker 1: like a doggy style type thing, and they were shocked

735
00:42:59,045 --> 00:43:01,285
Speaker 1: by that, but they were also like super shocked by

736
00:43:01,285 --> 00:43:04,765
Speaker 1: the fact that they would use multiple positions Heaven forbid

737
00:43:05,565 --> 00:43:09,205
Speaker 1: their sexuality. So then they were like, hey, the missionary

738
00:43:09,325 --> 00:43:11,565
Speaker 1: position is like this is the only one that God

739
00:43:11,605 --> 00:43:14,605
Speaker 1: allows because it's like the male dominant position, you know,

740
00:43:14,685 --> 00:43:17,085
Speaker 1: so but all positions at this point where you know,

741
00:43:17,125 --> 00:43:20,565
Speaker 1: any sex was like considered you know, sentful and shit.

742
00:43:20,805 --> 00:43:23,445
Speaker 1: You know, like if you go back to like medieval Christianity,

743
00:43:23,485 --> 00:43:26,885
Speaker 1: it's like even if you fucking, like if even if

744
00:43:26,925 --> 00:43:29,645
Speaker 1: you like fucked your wife too much, that was considered

745
00:43:29,885 --> 00:43:33,325
Speaker 1: being adultery, you know, which is just like funny. It's

746
00:43:33,325 --> 00:43:35,445
Speaker 1: like it's you, it's you, it's your fucking wife. You

747
00:43:35,445 --> 00:43:39,205
Speaker 1: can't even fuck your wife, basically, oh gosh. But then

748
00:43:39,205 --> 00:43:43,605
Speaker 1: there's like this other story that um people would attribute

749
00:43:43,645 --> 00:43:47,445
Speaker 1: to this anthropologist Malanowski. He was like a big deal,

750
00:43:48,045 --> 00:43:49,765
Speaker 1: and so he would kind of like go around to

751
00:43:49,885 --> 00:43:52,845
Speaker 1: different like you know, smaller populations throughout the world and

752
00:43:52,925 --> 00:43:54,805
Speaker 1: kind of like try to learn their customs and stuff.

753
00:43:54,805 --> 00:43:58,925
Speaker 1: And so there's this one group of people called the Trobrianders,

754
00:43:59,565 --> 00:44:04,365
Speaker 1: and basically they think Malanowski people said that he wrote

755
00:44:04,365 --> 00:44:07,685
Speaker 1: this a like document out and when he was talking

756
00:44:07,725 --> 00:44:10,405
Speaker 1: about how these people would like make fun of missionaries

757
00:44:10,445 --> 00:44:13,805
Speaker 1: by like doing the like a missionary type position, and

758
00:44:13,845 --> 00:44:15,925
Speaker 1: like they would gather around like they can't fire and

759
00:44:15,965 --> 00:44:19,285
Speaker 1: just like do what the missionaries like had promoted for

760
00:44:19,325 --> 00:44:21,205
Speaker 1: them to do. And but like doing it in like

761
00:44:21,205 --> 00:44:23,605
Speaker 1: a farcical sort of way, being like these like stupid

762
00:44:23,605 --> 00:44:25,925
Speaker 1: missionaries want us to like do it in this in

763
00:44:25,925 --> 00:44:29,765
Speaker 1: this way. That's hilarious. Yeah, But then the people said

764
00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:31,645
Speaker 1: this source existed, but when you would actually go to

765
00:44:31,685 --> 00:44:33,885
Speaker 1: the source, that story didn't actually exist. So it's kind

766
00:44:33,925 --> 00:44:35,845
Speaker 1: of like there's all these stories about kind of like

767
00:44:35,885 --> 00:44:38,885
Speaker 1: people like missionaries like trying to teach this position, but

768
00:44:38,925 --> 00:44:42,965
Speaker 1: then like there's no actual evidence of like that actually happening.

769
00:44:43,165 --> 00:44:46,245
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that happened though, because in the journal

770
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:50,845
Speaker 1: John did write about how the tribes people made fun

771
00:44:50,885 --> 00:44:54,445
Speaker 1: of him by like mimicking him or like laughing at

772
00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:56,725
Speaker 1: what he looked like and stuff, and it it like

773
00:44:56,805 --> 00:45:00,205
Speaker 1: it was recorded that at least these tribes people wouldn't

774
00:45:00,245 --> 00:45:03,965
Speaker 1: constantly make fun of any people who tried to like

775
00:45:04,005 --> 00:45:06,525
Speaker 1: get on their land. So I feel like I feel

776
00:45:06,565 --> 00:45:09,965
Speaker 1: like making fun of the people who are violently colonizing

777
00:45:10,005 --> 00:45:16,285
Speaker 1: you as probably a probably expected yeah, yeah, because I

778
00:45:16,285 --> 00:45:18,125
Speaker 1: mean it is pretty silly. You're like you're coming into

779
00:45:18,165 --> 00:45:19,685
Speaker 1: my house and you're trying to tell me what to do.

780
00:45:19,765 --> 00:45:22,205
Speaker 1: I'm going to make fun of this. You're trying to

781
00:45:22,205 --> 00:45:24,605
Speaker 1: suck me to try to tell me how to sex

782
00:45:24,765 --> 00:45:26,725
Speaker 1: you still a use like we already have like all

783
00:45:26,725 --> 00:45:30,125
Speaker 1: these other things we do and they're better. But yeah,

784
00:45:30,165 --> 00:45:32,205
Speaker 1: so there's all these stories about this, but no one

785
00:45:32,205 --> 00:45:35,285
Speaker 1: had ever used the term missionary position. And what they're

786
00:45:35,325 --> 00:45:38,205
Speaker 1: thinking is that Kinsey like had misread this document where

787
00:45:38,685 --> 00:45:41,365
Speaker 1: instead of talking about the missionary position, it was this

788
00:45:41,405 --> 00:45:44,765
Speaker 1: thing called missionary fashion, which is like, along with like

789
00:45:45,045 --> 00:45:47,445
Speaker 1: ways to have sex, missionaries were also trying to teach

790
00:45:47,485 --> 00:45:51,485
Speaker 1: people like methods of courtship, basically taking people like on

791
00:45:51,605 --> 00:45:54,205
Speaker 1: dates or like standing close to people, or there was

792
00:45:54,245 --> 00:45:56,485
Speaker 1: just like this one tribe who they would just like

793
00:45:56,525 --> 00:45:59,605
Speaker 1: have the man and the woman would like lean against

794
00:45:59,685 --> 00:46:02,085
Speaker 1: a tree and chat closely. Like that was like a

795
00:46:02,165 --> 00:46:05,965
Speaker 1: missionary fashion of like courtship that they had hot So

796
00:46:06,005 --> 00:46:08,445
Speaker 1: people think that Kinsey was like he took missionary fashion

797
00:46:08,485 --> 00:46:11,845
Speaker 1: and then he just said missionary position, and so that's

798
00:46:11,885 --> 00:46:15,445
Speaker 1: how that term came about, and then it got really

799
00:46:15,525 --> 00:46:18,045
Speaker 1: more popular in the late eighties, nineteen eighties, in the

800
00:46:18,125 --> 00:46:21,725
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. And one fun fact about missionary position that

801
00:46:22,085 --> 00:46:28,205
Speaker 1: technically in Florida, it is the only legal sex position Florida.

802
00:46:28,845 --> 00:46:32,085
Speaker 1: In Florida in Florida where we throw gators and use

803
00:46:32,165 --> 00:46:36,525
Speaker 1: gators as weapons. Yeah, it's like one of those laws

804
00:46:36,565 --> 00:46:39,165
Speaker 1: where it's kind of like they accidentally made everything illegal

805
00:46:39,205 --> 00:46:42,885
Speaker 1: except missionary position. Not to say that Floridians only do

806
00:46:43,045 --> 00:46:44,845
Speaker 1: sex position, but you're probably not going to get a

807
00:46:44,885 --> 00:46:47,125
Speaker 1: ticket if you're like, I mean, if you're having sex

808
00:46:47,125 --> 00:46:50,005
Speaker 1: in public and someone's like giving you like public sex,

809
00:46:50,085 --> 00:46:52,605
Speaker 1: it's you know, that makes you get public indecency. But

810
00:46:52,605 --> 00:46:56,045
Speaker 1: then also you're not using missionaries, so ticket number two.

811
00:46:56,685 --> 00:46:58,965
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're gonna be caught to having sex

812
00:46:59,005 --> 00:47:02,165
Speaker 1: in Florida, make sure it's in the missionary position. If

813
00:47:02,165 --> 00:47:04,285
Speaker 1: you're having public sex and that way it's not a

814
00:47:04,365 --> 00:47:08,925
Speaker 1: double ticket, then it won't be a ticket. Oh my gosh,

815
00:47:08,925 --> 00:47:14,565
Speaker 1: only in Florida. We save you money. Yeah. So basically,

816
00:47:14,685 --> 00:47:17,805
Speaker 1: my long convoluted thing about the missionary position is like, sure,

817
00:47:17,965 --> 00:47:21,445
Speaker 1: maybe it was came from missionaries trying to be like

818
00:47:21,485 --> 00:47:24,125
Speaker 1: this is the godliest position or whatever, but then the

819
00:47:24,245 --> 00:47:28,405
Speaker 1: term was like an accident made by a kinsey. So wow,

820
00:47:28,645 --> 00:47:32,445
Speaker 1: now we all know so much about this disrespectful history

821
00:47:32,925 --> 00:47:36,725
Speaker 1: nugget that I brought up after Nika's story. Anyway, Thanks Gabby,

822
00:47:37,365 --> 00:47:41,565
Speaker 1: Thank you. You're welcome, You're so welcome anyway. I feel like,

823
00:47:41,765 --> 00:47:45,525
Speaker 1: as always, we learned a lot about you know, random

824
00:47:45,565 --> 00:47:48,925
Speaker 1: information on today's episode. Could ever guse um and we'll

825
00:47:49,445 --> 00:48:06,005
Speaker 1: we'll talk at you next week. Bye. These Gals is

826
00:48:06,005 --> 00:48:08,685
Speaker 1: a production of School of Humans in iHeartRadio. It is

827
00:48:08,845 --> 00:48:12,405
Speaker 1: produced and written and all that jazz by Nika Duarte,

828
00:48:12,445 --> 00:48:15,245
Speaker 1: Taylor Church and me Gabby Watts. And you can catch

829
00:48:15,285 --> 00:48:17,485
Speaker 1: us on the Internet, on the Twitter and on the

830
00:48:17,525 --> 00:48:21,925
Speaker 1: Instagram at Cadaver Gals. That's gals as in gals, not

831
00:48:22,005 --> 00:48:25,165
Speaker 1: as in girls where gals get it straight. Okay, Bye,