1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: Mike Gravel. 6 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian Hoyer. 9 00:00:48,319 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 3: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 10 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: one in our hearts at least, Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 4: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 12 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:59,599 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 5: It was active a couple of weeks ago his first game, 14 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 5: but I'm just seemed like he had a really good 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,678 Speaker 5: camp and we haven't seen him since. Really, what have 16 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:09,238 Speaker 5: you seen from him behind the scenes? 17 00:01:09,839 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 6: You know, It's one of those deals every year I've 18 00:01:11,919 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 6: had it where a guy that's on the practice squad 19 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 6: gets an op especially at disposition with injuries, and the 20 00:01:18,639 --> 00:01:22,158 Speaker 6: biggest thing is he's next on debt, and so for him, 21 00:01:22,158 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 6: it's just shown up working every day, which he does. 22 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:27,719 Speaker 6: Special teams offensively had some good runs when he came 23 00:01:27,759 --> 00:01:29,799 Speaker 6: in there. But it's all new for him. 24 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:30,599 Speaker 7: Rookie. 25 00:01:30,639 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 6: He's doing he's doing his part right now. He works, 26 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 6: uh and then when he had a shot to go up, 27 00:01:35,078 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 6: he did well. 28 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 5: What have you seen from Ermander since just you know, 29 00:01:39,039 --> 00:01:40,799 Speaker 5: bouncing back from the foot last week. 30 00:01:41,199 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know with Dre, he's always gonna compete, he's 31 00:01:43,919 --> 00:01:47,158 Speaker 6: always gonna finish, He's always gonna play physical. Uh, but 32 00:01:47,399 --> 00:01:49,679 Speaker 6: he there's a little bit of excitement. 33 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:50,079 Speaker 8: I think. 34 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 6: You know, when you miss a few games and you 35 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:54,679 Speaker 6: gotta watch your brothers go out there and battle without you, Uh, 36 00:01:54,999 --> 00:01:56,879 Speaker 6: you get the itch to really go out there and 37 00:01:56,919 --> 00:01:59,719 Speaker 6: do something. So he's excited, he's focused. You know, he's 38 00:01:59,759 --> 00:02:03,079 Speaker 6: real uh even tempered, so it doesn't get too high 39 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,439 Speaker 6: too low, but you can tell there he's excited. He 40 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:06,759 Speaker 6: wants to go out and have a big game. 41 00:02:07,399 --> 00:02:10,078 Speaker 5: Grog Kevin here talked about the Jets defensive front. 42 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:10,759 Speaker 4: Quentin Williams. 43 00:02:10,799 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 5: He's edge guys for your room this week, like your 44 00:02:13,399 --> 00:02:13,999 Speaker 5: pass protection. 45 00:02:14,399 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 4: How big of a week is this for you? 46 00:02:15,519 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 5: How much for challenge those guys present? 47 00:02:17,239 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 6: You know it's huge because you know I'm always preaching 48 00:02:19,358 --> 00:02:21,159 Speaker 6: to them. The more first downs we get the more 49 00:02:21,239 --> 00:02:23,199 Speaker 6: runs we can call, which is you know what the 50 00:02:23,239 --> 00:02:26,599 Speaker 6: guys want. Uh So doing our part helping and protection 51 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:29,198 Speaker 6: that I was with the Jets the last three years 52 00:02:29,239 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 6: that Dlonny know, they got a motor. 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 4: Uh. 54 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:34,479 Speaker 6: They do line changes where they send four new guys in. 55 00:02:35,079 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 6: Uh So we just got to do our part, you know, 56 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 6: cleaning up chip and getting shots when we can, wearing 57 00:02:39,519 --> 00:02:42,279 Speaker 6: that defensive line down. Uh and then see where it 58 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:43,439 Speaker 6: ends up in the fourth quarter. 59 00:02:43,559 --> 00:02:45,559 Speaker 4: What makes you just haven't been around them? Makes Quinton 60 00:02:45,559 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 4: Williams so special. 61 00:02:47,119 --> 00:02:50,599 Speaker 6: Quinton well, he's a physical athlete, but you know, really 62 00:02:50,679 --> 00:02:51,879 Speaker 6: just his love for football. 63 00:02:52,279 --> 00:02:52,559 Speaker 4: Uh. 64 00:02:52,758 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 6: And that's kind of the the culture that they built 65 00:02:54,839 --> 00:02:57,999 Speaker 6: down their coach Oldbrick. Those guys love to play, They 66 00:02:58,038 --> 00:02:59,159 Speaker 6: love to play for each other. 67 00:02:59,439 --> 00:02:59,638 Speaker 8: Uh. 68 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 6: They play with the motor and you got to match 69 00:03:01,279 --> 00:03:01,999 Speaker 6: their intensity. 70 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:02,719 Speaker 7: Uh. 71 00:03:02,758 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 6: And like I said, the nice thing is we're up 72 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 6: for we we want we want the battle. 73 00:03:07,399 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 7: Uh. 74 00:03:07,799 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 6: It's a good opportunity for us to go out there 75 00:03:09,839 --> 00:03:10,719 Speaker 6: in the division game. 76 00:03:10,959 --> 00:03:11,719 Speaker 4: A long time. 77 00:03:11,679 --> 00:03:14,879 Speaker 5: Around here at the weather starts to get colder and hasn't. 78 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:17,039 Speaker 4: Really waiting for I'm waiting for. 79 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:19,198 Speaker 7: Running the ball. 80 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:20,319 Speaker 4: How much are you looking for that. 81 00:03:20,679 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, I am, because when this thing is where we 82 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:25,319 Speaker 6: want it to be, you want the cold weather games. 83 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:27,559 Speaker 6: And I tell my guys that all the time, Like 84 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 6: guys was telling you earlier. I'm a West Coast kid, 85 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:32,279 Speaker 6: so I'm I've lived at La San Diego. I'm used 86 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 6: to the good weather. 87 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 3: Uh. 88 00:03:33,758 --> 00:03:36,399 Speaker 6: But when you when you got the elements on your 89 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:38,199 Speaker 6: side and you can go out there and play if 90 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:40,559 Speaker 6: it's what play if it's cold, that's an advantage to you. 91 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:42,239 Speaker 4: So we just got to embrace that. 92 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:44,559 Speaker 6: And I try to do my part out there at practice, 93 00:03:44,679 --> 00:03:47,519 Speaker 6: getting cold when I can, but that will be an 94 00:03:47,559 --> 00:03:51,199 Speaker 6: advantage for us. We just need the weather to turn awesome. 95 00:03:51,279 --> 00:03:55,079 Speaker 4: Streak down, it's been what have you seen from him? 96 00:03:55,119 --> 00:03:56,919 Speaker 4: As you know, he gets going here and you know, 97 00:03:58,879 --> 00:03:59,719 Speaker 4: you know, so is that show? 98 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:02,399 Speaker 9: You never know until they get out there and he's 99 00:04:02,399 --> 00:04:04,399 Speaker 9: played well, He's made some mistakes and he's done some 100 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:07,959 Speaker 9: really good So we're excited to see him just develop 101 00:04:07,999 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 9: consistency and help us win a football game. 102 00:04:10,399 --> 00:04:12,639 Speaker 8: The really good things what are what are some of those? 103 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:14,279 Speaker 4: I think you see his poise. 104 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:20,759 Speaker 9: I think you see the way he handles pressure, whether 105 00:04:20,799 --> 00:04:23,878 Speaker 9: it's dirty pockets or coverages that necessarily weren't the number 106 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:26,398 Speaker 9: one coverages. I think you're seeing the field well, so 107 00:04:26,479 --> 00:04:27,079 Speaker 9: that's those. 108 00:04:26,919 --> 00:04:28,759 Speaker 4: Are good signs with some of that. 109 00:04:28,799 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 8: The way that Jacksonville got to cover two, I don't know, 110 00:04:31,159 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 8: like a dozen different times on Sunday where you're talking about, hey, 111 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 8: they hadn't showed this? 112 00:04:35,318 --> 00:04:35,519 Speaker 3: Is that? 113 00:04:36,039 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 9: Know, they definitely showed that, but it's still hard to 114 00:04:38,599 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 9: see because they do it so many different ways. You 115 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:43,598 Speaker 9: may not see the exact version that they have shown. 116 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 9: But he did a good job of seeing those those 117 00:04:48,558 --> 00:04:52,238 Speaker 9: different deals and how it's going and how the we're 118 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 9: dispersing the field the different concepts first that you know, 119 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:56,438 Speaker 9: tricky to or however you want to call. 120 00:04:56,359 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 3: It, but it just you know, with Drake id in 121 00:05:01,119 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: coverages going through progressions things like that, was that something 122 00:05:04,159 --> 00:05:06,399 Speaker 3: that you guys felt like he did at a strong 123 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:08,638 Speaker 3: level at North Carolina or you know, how do you 124 00:05:08,958 --> 00:05:10,959 Speaker 3: kind of see that development for him in terms of 125 00:05:10,999 --> 00:05:11,759 Speaker 3: the mental stuff. 126 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,118 Speaker 9: I think, you know, just offensively, we're different than North 127 00:05:14,159 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 9: Carolina and so the things they asked. 128 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 4: Him to do, some of those things we asked him 129 00:05:18,239 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 4: to do, and. 130 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:20,959 Speaker 9: We asked him to do some other different things as well, 131 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:24,998 Speaker 9: so developing all through the off season, and that's definitely 132 00:05:24,999 --> 00:05:26,319 Speaker 9: been a strength of his. I mean the whole time 133 00:05:26,318 --> 00:05:31,118 Speaker 9: he's here is he can process information pream post snap, 134 00:05:31,159 --> 00:05:32,959 Speaker 9: and so we're excited to see him doing the game 135 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:34,838 Speaker 9: and he's definitely showed that the last two weeks. 136 00:05:35,438 --> 00:05:36,718 Speaker 8: Scouting him in the off season. 137 00:05:36,958 --> 00:05:39,519 Speaker 10: Is is he I would say, as advertised as he 138 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:40,519 Speaker 10: surprised you, is. 139 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:41,438 Speaker 4: This what you expected? 140 00:05:43,119 --> 00:05:45,199 Speaker 9: Definitely? Well, I mean we picked him third overall, we 141 00:05:45,239 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 9: thought he was good. I promised you thought he was 142 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:52,038 Speaker 9: really good. I think he's developed. You know, even in 143 00:05:52,078 --> 00:05:56,319 Speaker 9: the off season, you know very very quickly, which is good, 144 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 9: but like I said, until you do it on game day, 145 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:01,399 Speaker 9: until you see it all the time, you just never 146 00:06:01,438 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 9: know what it's going to look like. And so just 147 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:05,238 Speaker 9: excited to have him out there the last two weeks 148 00:06:05,558 --> 00:06:07,678 Speaker 9: and definitely played up to expectation. 149 00:06:07,999 --> 00:06:10,758 Speaker 8: Alex mentioned yesterday that he's right where he should be 150 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:14,519 Speaker 8: in his development. Granted it's like two three starts in 151 00:06:14,558 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 8: there's a lot to learn and do, but what are 152 00:06:17,078 --> 00:06:19,079 Speaker 8: the next steps? What do those look like in the 153 00:06:19,198 --> 00:06:20,079 Speaker 8: development plan? 154 00:06:22,599 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 4: I think the very first thing is let's win a game. 155 00:06:24,999 --> 00:06:27,238 Speaker 9: That's that's the first thing in the in the development plans, 156 00:06:27,318 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 9: let's let's find a way. 157 00:06:28,239 --> 00:06:28,758 Speaker 4: To win a game. 158 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 9: As the quarterback. Know, that's our job is to find 159 00:06:31,159 --> 00:06:32,759 Speaker 9: a way to win the game whatever that calls for. 160 00:06:33,119 --> 00:06:34,558 Speaker 9: And so let's find a way to win a game. 161 00:06:36,078 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 9: But other than that is to just continue on the 162 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:41,758 Speaker 9: path that he's doing, continuing to see different defenses, continuing 163 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 9: to make the right decisions play in and play out. 164 00:06:44,799 --> 00:06:46,278 Speaker 9: And I think you saw that from week one to 165 00:06:46,318 --> 00:06:49,879 Speaker 9: week two he definitely improved, you know, from the turnovers 166 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 9: to no turnovers, so things like that. 167 00:06:52,318 --> 00:06:55,959 Speaker 4: Just stand on track with all the little things we 168 00:06:55,999 --> 00:06:57,118 Speaker 4: asked him. 169 00:06:57,239 --> 00:06:58,959 Speaker 3: It seems like, you know, these coming into these games 170 00:06:59,039 --> 00:07:02,639 Speaker 3: pretty prepared. I'm just curious, like what goes into it 171 00:07:03,039 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: during the week, you know, for him, for you guys. 172 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,439 Speaker 3: You know often here that Alex is like sort of 173 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:11,479 Speaker 3: the leader of his development, But like, how do you 174 00:07:11,479 --> 00:07:13,199 Speaker 3: guys kind of give that up during the week. 175 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:16,319 Speaker 9: You know, I think with quarterback development, it takes it 176 00:07:16,359 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 9: takes a village, you know, me a VP McAdoo evan 177 00:07:21,159 --> 00:07:24,159 Speaker 9: and then definitely don't count the quarterback group. That's always important. 178 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:27,038 Speaker 9: So Jacoby and Joe being in there, the conversations that 179 00:07:27,078 --> 00:07:29,719 Speaker 9: are had. Everyone sees it just a little bit differently. 180 00:07:29,799 --> 00:07:32,398 Speaker 9: So here in everyone's view in the meetings, and you know, 181 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:34,039 Speaker 9: we meet a lot, we're in there a lot, and 182 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:37,999 Speaker 9: I think just everybody in there is very helpful. 183 00:07:38,599 --> 00:07:40,759 Speaker 3: What have you seen just done from his footwork development? 184 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:43,439 Speaker 3: And that was a big kind of talking point coming 185 00:07:43,479 --> 00:07:46,839 Speaker 3: into the season with him, just seems do you feel 186 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:48,199 Speaker 3: like he's made a lot of progress there? 187 00:07:48,799 --> 00:07:51,158 Speaker 4: Definitely. I mean, he's very athletic and he can do 188 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:52,199 Speaker 4: whatever we ask him to do. 189 00:07:52,599 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 9: I think he has he's developing into have a really 190 00:07:56,119 --> 00:08:00,719 Speaker 9: really good feed and you know, it's definitely a big emphasis, 191 00:08:00,799 --> 00:08:02,319 Speaker 9: no matter who it is, no matter what people are 192 00:08:02,359 --> 00:08:04,959 Speaker 9: saying about him before you got here. You know, again, 193 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:07,959 Speaker 9: different offenses call for different footworks, different reads, and so 194 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:09,839 Speaker 9: what we're asking him to do is different than what 195 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,519 Speaker 9: they asked him at Carolina, and he's super athletic and 196 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:14,518 Speaker 9: he can get it done. 197 00:08:14,559 --> 00:08:17,639 Speaker 8: So we talk about the next step in this velt 198 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 8: being winning a game, which I know you all want 199 00:08:19,719 --> 00:08:23,279 Speaker 8: probably more than anything right now. If there's a scenario 200 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:25,038 Speaker 8: in which say, you guys score more points than you 201 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:27,639 Speaker 8: have in any game the season, and he largely statistically, 202 00:08:27,679 --> 00:08:30,959 Speaker 8: your film lives plays well, but you don't win. Is 203 00:08:30,999 --> 00:08:33,359 Speaker 8: there still hey, this isn't good enough or is there 204 00:08:33,359 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 8: a point where you say he made a winning effort, 205 00:08:35,958 --> 00:08:36,999 Speaker 8: we just didn't win the game. 206 00:08:37,958 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 9: I think, you know, as far as when we talk, 207 00:08:39,999 --> 00:08:42,919 Speaker 9: we're going to talk about each specific play and how 208 00:08:42,958 --> 00:08:45,119 Speaker 9: that how you performed on that play based on what 209 00:08:45,119 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 9: we asked you to do, and so that doesn't change 210 00:08:47,199 --> 00:08:48,039 Speaker 9: based on the outcome. 211 00:08:48,078 --> 00:08:49,919 Speaker 4: That is what we asked you to do. Did you 212 00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:50,399 Speaker 4: get it done? 213 00:08:50,839 --> 00:08:52,759 Speaker 9: And so as we talked through the game, I think 214 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 9: it's more in those terms. But then overall, our overall 215 00:08:55,759 --> 00:08:57,759 Speaker 9: job as the quarterbacks to find ways to win the game. 216 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 9: And so no matter how we played or are functioned, 217 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:03,239 Speaker 9: we got to find a way to get that done. 218 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,639 Speaker 9: So I think, yes, individually, each play is going to 219 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,919 Speaker 9: be talked about within its own context, but at the 220 00:09:09,999 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 9: end of the day, we got to find a way 221 00:09:11,119 --> 00:09:11,639 Speaker 9: to win a game. 222 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:15,799 Speaker 10: What's allowed him to garner respect so quickly among those 223 00:09:15,839 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 10: teammates this ship. 224 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:21,639 Speaker 9: I think he's just a genuine person. I think everyone 225 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,119 Speaker 9: feels that. I think he works extremely hard, and then 226 00:09:26,119 --> 00:09:28,479 Speaker 9: on top of that he makes plays. I think that 227 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,399 Speaker 9: accelerates the process there when you're making place. 228 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 8: This sounds backwards, but I know you've worked with a 229 00:09:33,719 --> 00:09:36,159 Speaker 8: lot of guys and probably learned from working with different players. 230 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:38,999 Speaker 8: Is there a way that he's challenged you or you're 231 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:42,119 Speaker 8: thinking just in the way that he practices or prepares 232 00:09:42,199 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 8: or obviously plays. 233 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think every every quarterback is different, right, and 234 00:09:47,239 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 9: especially like I keep referencing this, but there's a lot 235 00:09:51,599 --> 00:09:54,879 Speaker 9: of different option routes and stuff that guys are doing 236 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 9: in college now that I necessarily didn't do in college 237 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 9: or having coached at this level, and so they kind 238 00:10:00,719 --> 00:10:02,399 Speaker 9: of see that that allows you to see the game 239 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:04,479 Speaker 9: a little differently, and so there's always different questions that 240 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:05,919 Speaker 9: come from that, can we do this? 241 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:06,639 Speaker 4: Can we do that? 242 00:10:07,479 --> 00:10:10,239 Speaker 8: So those discussions are definitely good. What can you give 243 00:10:10,239 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 8: a safe example of one question he might. 244 00:10:12,439 --> 00:10:16,279 Speaker 9: Ask he wants to give people more options on different routes, Hey, 245 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:17,799 Speaker 9: can he do this when it's this and this when 246 00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:21,919 Speaker 9: it's that? And you know, sometimes those are really good suggestions, 247 00:10:21,959 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 9: and sometimes that's not going to time up with our 248 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,598 Speaker 9: feet quite right. So it's him just learning and meet 249 00:10:28,719 --> 00:10:31,919 Speaker 9: and a VP and everyone on offense adjusting to the 250 00:10:31,959 --> 00:10:33,759 Speaker 9: things that he sees and the things he does well 251 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:34,119 Speaker 9: as well. 252 00:10:34,199 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 8: So I know, I don't know if it was Kashawan, 253 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 8: but but one of the receivers talked about you know, okay, 254 00:10:38,719 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 8: I converted to a go because we have press and 255 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 8: I'm sure that's Bill think because it's a common adjustment. 256 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:46,799 Speaker 8: Have you implemented any of the suggestions that he might 257 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:48,078 Speaker 8: have made of the questions he's asked? 258 00:10:49,959 --> 00:10:50,399 Speaker 4: Definitely. 259 00:10:50,439 --> 00:10:53,799 Speaker 9: Now, I don't think he's he's gone off reservation. I'll 260 00:10:53,799 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 9: say where everything that we've done and talked about has 261 00:10:56,319 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 9: been a part of the system. But each week there's 262 00:10:59,959 --> 00:11:02,519 Speaker 9: there's there's a million different ways to do things, and 263 00:11:02,599 --> 00:11:05,479 Speaker 9: so again, how the quarterback sees it's definitely important and 264 00:11:05,959 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 9: we definitely take his suggestions. 265 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 4: With a lot of weight. What's Ben mcadew's role then, 266 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:11,239 Speaker 4: when it comes to. 267 00:11:11,239 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 9: The development ry, like I said, we all have you know, 268 00:11:16,599 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 9: it's kind of he sees something, you say something. Ben's 269 00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:21,479 Speaker 9: been a head coach in the league, called plays, been 270 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:26,479 Speaker 9: around really great quarterbacks, so he always sees things and 271 00:11:26,599 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 9: helps out, whether it's helping me or helping to drink directly. 272 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,399 Speaker 9: You know, he's got a big influence over the footwork. 273 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:38,119 Speaker 9: I mean come from the same kind of background footwork wise, AVP, 274 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 9: me and I could do, so we. 275 00:11:39,719 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 4: All see things similarly. But he's definitely got some insights there. 276 00:11:43,239 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 8: How far back does the drills or the overall kind 277 00:11:46,439 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 8: of playing go, like, I know a VP's talked about, 278 00:11:48,239 --> 00:11:50,039 Speaker 8: you know, some of the stuff like Paul Hackett was doing, 279 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:53,039 Speaker 8: it's still underpinning, you know, the footwork drills and throwing 280 00:11:53,119 --> 00:11:55,078 Speaker 8: into nets, Like do you do you know the history 281 00:11:55,119 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 8: of kind of stuff you're teaching? 282 00:11:56,359 --> 00:11:57,119 Speaker 7: How far goes. 283 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:00,759 Speaker 4: Back some of a VP drills? 284 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 9: For sure, I've been at Brown AVP a long time, 285 00:12:02,479 --> 00:12:04,999 Speaker 9: so I've heard the stories of you know, where he 286 00:12:05,079 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 9: got them and where those came from. I would not 287 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:11,479 Speaker 9: say that I know the full extent, probably especially of 288 00:12:11,479 --> 00:12:15,519 Speaker 9: all the drills that I've done, but a little bit, 289 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:17,119 Speaker 9: a little bit I hear a VP stories. 290 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:23,838 Speaker 8: I don't suspect that you're like listening or reading or 291 00:12:23,999 --> 00:12:25,479 Speaker 8: watching a whole lot of what we have to say. 292 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 8: But I'm curious, like, in the general discourse around young quarterbacks, 293 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 8: is there something you think outsiders, fans or media might 294 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:38,279 Speaker 8: miss about a rookie quarterback playing or maybe his development. 295 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 4: Like you said, I don't. 296 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:46,799 Speaker 9: I don't necessarily know what everyone else is talking about. 297 00:12:47,199 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 9: I'd say the biggest thing is no, can the can 298 00:12:51,719 --> 00:12:55,119 Speaker 9: young quarterbacks see the field? And can they see the 299 00:12:55,119 --> 00:12:58,119 Speaker 9: field under pressure? Can they see the field in dirty pockets? 300 00:12:58,199 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 9: Can they see the field and the picture. 301 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:00,159 Speaker 7: Changes on them? 302 00:13:01,119 --> 00:13:02,399 Speaker 9: And so those are the things that you know, you 303 00:13:02,479 --> 00:13:04,519 Speaker 9: look for and try and prepare guys for. And you 304 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:05,999 Speaker 9: know some of the things that Drake's excelled in. 305 00:13:06,479 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 8: How soon did you know? Okay, more often than not 306 00:13:09,599 --> 00:13:12,239 Speaker 8: he can do this those things you just talked. 307 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:15,239 Speaker 4: About pretty early, you know. 308 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:17,279 Speaker 9: I mean we drafted him because we thought he could 309 00:13:17,319 --> 00:13:19,879 Speaker 9: do him and he got there and here he got 310 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:24,119 Speaker 9: here and definitely flash those things early and has continued 311 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 9: that this whole process. 312 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:26,919 Speaker 4: It's just just being more clear. 313 00:13:26,959 --> 00:13:29,359 Speaker 8: Like Muney pocket no t is very different than even 314 00:13:29,399 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 8: the preseason what time around more specifically. 315 00:13:33,119 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 4: I guess we saw him in his toughness, in him 316 00:13:35,079 --> 00:13:35,639 Speaker 4: being able. 317 00:13:35,439 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 9: To hang in dirty pockets on tape like that's one 318 00:13:37,239 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 9: of the very first days I looked for at Carolina, 319 00:13:39,719 --> 00:13:42,279 Speaker 9: So I knew he was capable of that, But like 320 00:13:42,319 --> 00:13:44,119 Speaker 9: you said, until you see it in an NFL game, 321 00:13:44,439 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 9: you know you got to see it and we've we've 322 00:13:45,959 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 9: seen it. 323 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,279 Speaker 8: Awesome, appreciate it, said, thanks man, Ye appreciate appreciate it. 324 00:13:50,839 --> 00:13:53,078 Speaker 2: Didn't I know because he didn't la weeks. I'm not 325 00:13:53,079 --> 00:13:55,119 Speaker 2: sure if that was just strictly interrelated, but it sounded 326 00:13:55,119 --> 00:13:56,159 Speaker 2: like he broke through a wall. 327 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,879 Speaker 11: Yeah, well he was banged up I think prior, and uh, 328 00:13:59,959 --> 00:14:01,759 Speaker 11: you know, he just uh, he just shows up to 329 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:04,159 Speaker 11: work every day and gets better. So for a rookie 330 00:14:04,239 --> 00:14:06,159 Speaker 11: to do that, I think, Uh, he's having a really 331 00:14:06,199 --> 00:14:09,279 Speaker 11: good game too before the injury. So yeah, hopefully we'll 332 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:09,958 Speaker 11: get him back soon. 333 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:12,359 Speaker 2: With the past protection, it looks like it's gotten pretty 334 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 2: significantly better over the past few weeks. 335 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:15,759 Speaker 7: What would you attribute to that? Who? 336 00:14:16,599 --> 00:14:19,079 Speaker 11: I mean, it's we work on it, but you know, 337 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:21,839 Speaker 11: you always have uh you look across the opponents and 338 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:23,599 Speaker 11: you look, wow. I mean there's a lot of really 339 00:14:23,599 --> 00:14:26,479 Speaker 11: top level of rushers, So guys just have to dial 340 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:29,119 Speaker 11: in and really really focus on the technique and focus 341 00:14:29,159 --> 00:14:31,879 Speaker 11: on the calls and communicate taking the proper sets. And 342 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:34,279 Speaker 11: I think just over time, I think that's helped. 343 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:35,599 Speaker 7: Those pass rushers. 344 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:38,959 Speaker 12: Quinn Williams what obviously great player about what challenges does. 345 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:41,159 Speaker 11: He present you guys pretty pretty much every challenge. You know, 346 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:44,399 Speaker 11: he's got power, he's got speed, he's got quickness, he's smart. 347 00:14:44,479 --> 00:14:45,919 Speaker 11: You know, he's got a lot of counter moves to 348 00:14:45,959 --> 00:14:48,679 Speaker 11: his rush, and uh, yeah, they're they're a good rush unit. 349 00:14:48,719 --> 00:14:51,159 Speaker 11: And it's not just limited to Quinnon. They've got a 350 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:54,559 Speaker 11: number of top rushers, so so everybody's got their work 351 00:14:54,599 --> 00:14:55,759 Speaker 11: cut out. 352 00:14:55,079 --> 00:14:58,359 Speaker 13: Are you expecting much of like son Reddick this season? 353 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:00,319 Speaker 11: You know, I don't know if we're you know, we would 354 00:15:00,359 --> 00:15:03,399 Speaker 11: expect he'd play. I think they they said he's probably playing, 355 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:05,319 Speaker 11: so we're anticipating that. 356 00:15:05,319 --> 00:15:06,919 Speaker 2: Well, McDonald's a pretty productive season. 357 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:07,719 Speaker 7: What do you've seen from him? 358 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:11,559 Speaker 11: A lot of speed, good rusher, really really has evolved 359 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:15,919 Speaker 11: quite a bit as a rusher, disruptive, productive. Yeah, he's 360 00:15:15,959 --> 00:15:18,559 Speaker 11: got a lot of good counter tools too, and so yeah, 361 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,319 Speaker 11: they've they've got their stacked on the on the front 362 00:15:20,359 --> 00:15:21,399 Speaker 11: with their rushers for sure. 363 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:23,679 Speaker 3: How much has that change at quarterback for you guys 364 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:25,719 Speaker 3: over the last two games? Kind of changed the way 365 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:29,359 Speaker 3: you guys are scheming things up on offensive line level. 366 00:15:29,839 --> 00:15:33,159 Speaker 11: I mean, well, our protection rules remain the same, you know, 367 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:34,879 Speaker 11: we have a lot of things that are very similar 368 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:37,119 Speaker 11: in the same So it's to us, it's protect the 369 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:40,999 Speaker 11: quarterback with our protection rules and no matter who's in there. 370 00:15:41,319 --> 00:15:43,959 Speaker 2: Have you seen any philosophical or schematic changes from the 371 00:15:43,999 --> 00:15:45,719 Speaker 2: defense now that obviously the head coach is. 372 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:50,119 Speaker 11: Different as far as the way that they operate, Yes, 373 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:52,719 Speaker 11: not really. I mean they they're I mean, their fronts 374 00:15:52,719 --> 00:15:53,159 Speaker 11: are the same. 375 00:15:53,199 --> 00:15:53,519 Speaker 4: They do. 376 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:56,559 Speaker 11: You know, they're they're they're a very talented team. They're 377 00:15:56,599 --> 00:15:59,519 Speaker 11: they're well coached. You know, I think the defensive coordinator, 378 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:02,199 Speaker 11: you know, he's now the head coach, right, So, I 379 00:16:02,239 --> 00:16:05,319 Speaker 11: mean they've they've kind of I think they've remained their system. 380 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:09,359 Speaker 11: There's systems maintained. It's intactics to it. You know, they're 381 00:16:10,239 --> 00:16:12,159 Speaker 11: they're doing good. I mean, they have a good defensive 382 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:14,879 Speaker 11: front linebackers are good. I mean they're they're really not 383 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:16,719 Speaker 11: doing anything wholesale different. 384 00:16:18,319 --> 00:16:19,839 Speaker 7: I also asked about the outside zone. 385 00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:21,319 Speaker 2: It looked like you guys are really starting to pick 386 00:16:21,319 --> 00:16:22,599 Speaker 2: a momentium the past couple weeks. 387 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:23,839 Speaker 4: It's been a bit of a shorter What would you 388 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:24,799 Speaker 4: attribute to that exactly? 389 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:26,519 Speaker 11: When you look at improved you know, we just didn't 390 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,359 Speaker 11: get the ball, you know, I think part of it 391 00:16:28,439 --> 00:16:31,079 Speaker 11: was just again like having some different guys working in 392 00:16:31,079 --> 00:16:33,799 Speaker 11: different spots and then you know, you get different fronts, 393 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:35,559 Speaker 11: and I think for us, just a couple of couple 394 00:16:35,599 --> 00:16:38,719 Speaker 11: of critical errors in the run game early and then 395 00:16:39,239 --> 00:16:40,839 Speaker 11: you know, I think so we made a big emphasis 396 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:46,319 Speaker 11: on on getting those things corrected, just. 397 00:16:46,279 --> 00:16:48,799 Speaker 12: Kind of what we talk about each day, just daily improvement, 398 00:16:48,839 --> 00:16:50,999 Speaker 12: you know, just putting like a continuous effort on that. 399 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:54,839 Speaker 12: I think the guys are working in that direction. Yeah, 400 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:57,159 Speaker 12: yesterday in particular, we had a great practice, probably one 401 00:16:57,199 --> 00:16:59,279 Speaker 12: of our best ones we've had, and you know, in 402 00:16:59,359 --> 00:17:01,239 Speaker 12: several weeks, and the guys really did a nice job 403 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:05,158 Speaker 12: coming out being focused, being like dialed into the details. 404 00:17:05,479 --> 00:17:05,998 Speaker 7: And so that's the. 405 00:17:05,999 --> 00:17:08,398 Speaker 12: Biggest thing we just talked about each day, just continuous 406 00:17:08,398 --> 00:17:10,998 Speaker 12: effort on daily improvement, and I think that's what they 407 00:17:10,999 --> 00:17:15,599 Speaker 12: were doing yesterday. Going forward, is Jalen still are you 408 00:17:15,719 --> 00:17:18,478 Speaker 12: unsure whether or not you'll you actually have for Sunday 409 00:17:18,479 --> 00:17:18,918 Speaker 12: at this point? 410 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:22,438 Speaker 7: Exactly? Yeah, we're un certain, we don't know. 411 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 10: Yeah, how has Javon Dumblin? 412 00:17:24,759 --> 00:17:26,319 Speaker 4: It comes to something you just mentioned, like being on 413 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,918 Speaker 4: the details, being focused. Where is he in terms of 414 00:17:29,959 --> 00:17:31,039 Speaker 4: hit trajectory? 415 00:17:31,158 --> 00:17:32,799 Speaker 7: Is a young player? Yeah? 416 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:36,279 Speaker 12: I would say better and better every day. I think 417 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:38,398 Speaker 12: is Aerl is always pointing up, which is a good thing. 418 00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:40,038 Speaker 7: You know. 419 00:17:40,238 --> 00:17:43,278 Speaker 12: I appreciate the way that he interacts and asks questions 420 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 12: of me, of other coaches, of his teammates. He wants 421 00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 12: to do a good job, he wants to get better. 422 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:50,758 Speaker 12: I think he's I think he's improved in that area. 423 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 12: Like I said, every day, what. 424 00:17:52,638 --> 00:17:54,039 Speaker 13: Does he have to do at this point to get 425 00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:54,519 Speaker 13: on the field. 426 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 7: Well, again, continuing what he's doing. 427 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,599 Speaker 12: We just talked about and you know, we have a 428 00:18:01,678 --> 00:18:04,079 Speaker 12: really good competitive room, and you know, I would say, 429 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:07,638 Speaker 12: like the receiver position to me is one that requires 430 00:18:07,638 --> 00:18:09,238 Speaker 12: so much detail and so much work. 431 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:11,799 Speaker 7: And you know, most young guys don't see the field 432 00:18:11,879 --> 00:18:12,678 Speaker 7: right away, you know. 433 00:18:13,158 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 12: I mean we've had one playing early, but for the 434 00:18:15,918 --> 00:18:18,438 Speaker 12: most part, you usually see guys not playing as often 435 00:18:18,438 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 12: in their first year. 436 00:18:19,238 --> 00:18:19,519 Speaker 7: And so. 437 00:18:21,158 --> 00:18:24,918 Speaker 12: Just continuing that progress, continuing that that daily effort, I 438 00:18:24,918 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 12: think is a big thing. 439 00:18:26,999 --> 00:18:28,599 Speaker 7: He's close and I'm sure we'll see him more and 440 00:18:28,678 --> 00:18:29,918 Speaker 7: more as the season goes on. 441 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,799 Speaker 10: Just circling back to Jalen. 442 00:18:32,478 --> 00:18:34,278 Speaker 4: Obviously he's in the protocol. 443 00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:36,398 Speaker 10: But what where did this turn for him? 444 00:18:36,398 --> 00:18:38,759 Speaker 2: It seemed like he was sort of coming and he's 445 00:18:38,958 --> 00:18:41,438 Speaker 2: hit a little bit of a where did it turn? 446 00:18:41,478 --> 00:18:43,039 Speaker 10: And what does he have to do to get back? 447 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:43,759 Speaker 7: Yeah. 448 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:46,759 Speaker 12: I just think like any any player, you know, there's 449 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 12: like ebbs and flows of of of the season. You know, 450 00:18:50,478 --> 00:18:52,958 Speaker 12: there's there's moments where things are clicking, and there's moments 451 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:54,799 Speaker 12: where you're kind of working through a few things. And 452 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,198 Speaker 12: I think that's all it is. You know, He's really 453 00:18:57,238 --> 00:19:00,039 Speaker 12: coachable and the one thing that I really appreciated him 454 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,999 Speaker 12: is that he has a really good process and he's 455 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:06,198 Speaker 12: really dialed into that. And so he just keeps doing that, 456 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,958 Speaker 12: keeps working to that. He'll he'll be on the track 457 00:19:08,999 --> 00:19:10,718 Speaker 12: that he wants to be on. And like I said, 458 00:19:10,718 --> 00:19:12,998 Speaker 12: I just think every player goes through just different ups 459 00:19:12,999 --> 00:19:15,238 Speaker 12: and downs. Coaches do, teams do. I think that's kind 460 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 12: of a natural thing, and he's just working through it 461 00:19:17,398 --> 00:19:19,319 Speaker 12: and he's he's doing a good job that way. 462 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,398 Speaker 14: Kij shared on social media that he's going to be 463 00:19:22,398 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 14: an active for the game. That was a late addition, 464 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,998 Speaker 14: and I think earlier this week was kind of noncommittal 465 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:29,318 Speaker 14: about whether he wanted the trade or not. Where is 466 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 14: he at right now? Do you need from him? 467 00:19:32,158 --> 00:19:32,559 Speaker 7: Yeah? 468 00:19:32,599 --> 00:19:34,998 Speaker 12: I'll say this, I think kJ is a great professional. 469 00:19:35,638 --> 00:19:38,998 Speaker 12: I've really enjoyed working with him. He like we were 470 00:19:38,999 --> 00:19:41,198 Speaker 12: talking about, like a process, I think he has a 471 00:19:41,238 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 12: really good one. 472 00:19:41,879 --> 00:19:43,918 Speaker 7: That way, He's good in our room. 473 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:46,519 Speaker 12: He provides good insight to the guys, you know, like hey, 474 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:48,518 Speaker 12: here's how I would have ran this, or you know, 475 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:53,599 Speaker 12: like in good discussion. He's positive in that regard. You know, 476 00:19:53,638 --> 00:19:55,799 Speaker 12: I think he's just like like all the guys, you know, 477 00:19:55,839 --> 00:19:57,838 Speaker 12: they're just working through each day. He had, he had 478 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:00,079 Speaker 12: a good solid day yesterday and always getting focused on 479 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:02,758 Speaker 12: you know, playing the Jets, and and I'm happy for 480 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:03,518 Speaker 12: him in that regard. 481 00:20:03,999 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 10: Do you see all in buy in from kJ? 482 00:20:07,638 --> 00:20:09,518 Speaker 7: Yes, one hundred percent. 483 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:13,518 Speaker 4: You mentioned Jalen's process. How would you describe that, Like, 484 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:14,678 Speaker 4: what's his process? 485 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:17,958 Speaker 12: Well, and I'm just talking just kind of like a routine. 486 00:20:17,958 --> 00:20:19,638 Speaker 12: You know, like all players, you know when they get 487 00:20:19,678 --> 00:20:21,718 Speaker 12: into a good routine in terms of what time they 488 00:20:21,718 --> 00:20:24,039 Speaker 12: get into the building, you know what they're eating, their treatment. 489 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,198 Speaker 12: You know, say he's a receiver, so you know, getting 490 00:20:26,238 --> 00:20:28,678 Speaker 12: on the judgment scene, working with the quarterback after practice, 491 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:32,638 Speaker 12: you know what kind of when and uh uh, you 492 00:20:32,678 --> 00:20:34,438 Speaker 12: know who he's looking at film with you know, whether 493 00:20:34,478 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 12: that's with us as coaches or getting with the teammates. 494 00:20:36,718 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 12: I mean, there's got there's a lot, I would say, 495 00:20:38,238 --> 00:20:40,398 Speaker 12: a lot of different things that contribute into that. But again, 496 00:20:40,438 --> 00:20:41,999 Speaker 12: I think for him, he does a good job of 497 00:20:42,238 --> 00:20:44,559 Speaker 12: having a good schedule, keeping him on track day to day, 498 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:47,599 Speaker 12: and it shows a lot of I would say, a 499 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 12: lot of savvy that way for being a young player. 500 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,319 Speaker 10: The background with him from Washington, right, like, what did 501 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 10: you see what did you observe from him in Washington 502 00:20:55,478 --> 00:20:58,638 Speaker 10: about how he handled adversity if anything, or did he 503 00:20:58,718 --> 00:21:01,319 Speaker 10: not really have much adversity in Washington? 504 00:21:01,718 --> 00:21:03,478 Speaker 12: Well, well, we were fortunate, we had a we had 505 00:21:03,478 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 12: a really good team, and but he was a big 506 00:21:05,958 --> 00:21:08,198 Speaker 12: part of that. And we we certainly had our moments, 507 00:21:08,238 --> 00:21:11,758 Speaker 12: just like any team where there was challenges, you know, 508 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:16,079 Speaker 12: and and he always responded to the challenge, I felt like, 509 00:21:16,198 --> 00:21:18,518 Speaker 12: and that was one of the first things that I 510 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:20,238 Speaker 12: noticed about him. Actually it's just you know, he had 511 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:22,718 Speaker 12: good mental toughness and good awareness of, you know, what 512 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:23,398 Speaker 12: the team needed. 513 00:21:23,438 --> 00:21:26,599 Speaker 7: And you know, I think he'll be that way for 514 00:21:26,678 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 7: us to. 515 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:29,798 Speaker 11: A lot of. 516 00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 12: Last few weeks, Well, Hi, you know, we've been talking 517 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,599 Speaker 12: a little bit about professionalism, and I think for him, 518 00:21:38,638 --> 00:21:41,799 Speaker 12: he too has like been somebody that's just continued to 519 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:44,038 Speaker 12: get you know, really really good that way, Like he 520 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,999 Speaker 12: comes in and he and he works, you know, going 521 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,799 Speaker 12: back a few weeks ago, excuse me, going back a 522 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,799 Speaker 12: few weeks ago, he you know, wasn't on the field 523 00:21:51,879 --> 00:21:53,758 Speaker 12: quite as much, and he just worked his way to 524 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 12: get on it. And he's done a great job. He's 525 00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:58,319 Speaker 12: he's a good competitor, works hard. 526 00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 7: He's a good teammate. 527 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,678 Speaker 12: He's just been doing all the things that you need 528 00:22:01,718 --> 00:22:02,998 Speaker 12: to do to continue to elevate. 529 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:06,638 Speaker 8: He talked the other day about how, you know, he's 530 00:22:06,918 --> 00:22:09,518 Speaker 8: kind of been asking for the ball occasionally and he 531 00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:11,318 Speaker 8: didn't feel like he should have to, but you know, 532 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:12,559 Speaker 8: when he does, it tends to work out. 533 00:22:12,638 --> 00:22:13,238 Speaker 4: Does he need to? 534 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: Is there a a scenario in which you could say 535 00:22:18,398 --> 00:22:20,798 Speaker 2: to him and maybe dial that back a little bit, 536 00:22:20,879 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: or should. 537 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:24,198 Speaker 4: He or how do you react when you hear those 538 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:25,279 Speaker 4: types of comments? 539 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,519 Speaker 12: You know, I mean, he's he's a good competitor and 540 00:22:29,718 --> 00:22:32,319 Speaker 12: he wants to help our team win. He works really hard, 541 00:22:32,478 --> 00:22:35,519 Speaker 12: and I think for him, for all the receivers anywhere 542 00:22:35,678 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 12: they feel they can contribute, when you know, the balls 543 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:42,799 Speaker 12: throw in their direction. So I'm not I'm not worried 544 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:45,998 Speaker 12: about that with him. I'm glad that he's he's competitive 545 00:22:45,999 --> 00:22:47,518 Speaker 12: and he wants to contribute and wants to help our 546 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:47,838 Speaker 12: team win. 547 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 7: I'm happy that way. 548 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:51,318 Speaker 13: There's a micd up clip of Tomorrow Douglas coming up 549 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:53,438 Speaker 13: to you and saying, like, I feel like they're like 550 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,438 Speaker 13: cut it, like they're they're buying on the in rout 551 00:22:55,478 --> 00:22:56,599 Speaker 13: maybe I could go out or. 552 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:57,198 Speaker 7: Whatever it was. 553 00:22:57,238 --> 00:23:00,678 Speaker 13: Like wide receivers frequently do that too, that like something 554 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,759 Speaker 13: that they're seeing in the field can maybe help call 555 00:23:03,879 --> 00:23:05,759 Speaker 13: play or change something on offense. 556 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:09,519 Speaker 12: Yeah, I meanan, We want to have a good dialogue 557 00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 12: all the time, right, I mean, because they're the ones 558 00:23:11,238 --> 00:23:12,759 Speaker 12: that are actually out there on the field. Of course, 559 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,398 Speaker 12: from Mike Arth's perspective on the sideline, we're seeing certain things, 560 00:23:15,438 --> 00:23:18,198 Speaker 12: but but they are seeing it with their eyes right 561 00:23:18,238 --> 00:23:20,319 Speaker 12: on the field, and so I always want the guys 562 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 12: to come back and say, you know, this is how 563 00:23:22,238 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 12: he's playing me on this play. This is how he's 564 00:23:23,958 --> 00:23:25,918 Speaker 12: playing on that play. I mean, and again, like we're 565 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:28,558 Speaker 12: discussing those things like throughout the entire game. So when 566 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:30,678 Speaker 12: the guys come back from the you know, from a series, 567 00:23:30,879 --> 00:23:32,518 Speaker 12: we go right to the bench, we look at the iPad, 568 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 12: look at the pitchers, have that type of discussion, and 569 00:23:35,238 --> 00:23:37,279 Speaker 12: you know, I want that and we need that because 570 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:39,759 Speaker 12: that helps us make good decisions, you know, throughout the course. 571 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 7: Of the game. 572 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:42,678 Speaker 13: Is that some of what Kaishawn's doing asking for the 573 00:23:42,678 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 13: ball in certain situations? 574 00:23:44,958 --> 00:23:47,718 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we're just, yeah, just seeing how the 575 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 12: defense is playing us. And again, a player might say, hey, 576 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:52,358 Speaker 12: I think we can get this based on how they 577 00:23:52,438 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 12: how they're playing, and sometimes we are able to get 578 00:23:54,718 --> 00:23:56,718 Speaker 12: to that call. Sometimes we don't. It just kind of 579 00:23:56,718 --> 00:23:58,718 Speaker 12: depends on the flow of the game. But again, I 580 00:23:58,718 --> 00:24:00,838 Speaker 12: think I think for these guys, they're just trying to 581 00:24:00,879 --> 00:24:03,198 Speaker 12: just contribute and find a way to help us have 582 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 12: some success out there. 583 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,038 Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne mentioned how the mindset for young players has 584 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,599 Speaker 2: changed because of NIL. I'm wondering, if someone who's coached 585 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:11,918 Speaker 2: it pretty much every level, what's your perspective on that 586 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:13,839 Speaker 2: and has it adjusted how maybe you've had to coach 587 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:15,319 Speaker 2: and you know, approaching of those young players. 588 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,518 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it has changed probably 589 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,599 Speaker 12: some things. I don't know exactly to what level. My 590 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:28,718 Speaker 12: experience in coaching always has been talk to the guys straight, Uh, 591 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 12: don't pull punches, you know, and just and just tell 592 00:24:32,158 --> 00:24:33,958 Speaker 12: them the way that you see it and and and 593 00:24:33,999 --> 00:24:36,798 Speaker 12: then allow them to, you know, work as we've been 594 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,238 Speaker 12: talking about here, like allow them to provide their insight 595 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 12: and like kind of what they're seeing. But I think 596 00:24:41,238 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 12: all players just so long as you're straight with them 597 00:24:42,918 --> 00:24:45,319 Speaker 12: at any level, you know, high school to the professional level. 598 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 12: You're straight with them and you're honest and direct. They 599 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 12: appreciate that. And that's that's my approach. 600 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,998 Speaker 14: Has the week been for you, I think from the outside, 601 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,238 Speaker 14: it seems like you've had plenty of drama to deal with. 602 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,758 Speaker 14: I'm curious just kind of how the week was for you. 603 00:24:58,879 --> 00:25:01,718 Speaker 12: Uh, it's good. Yesterday was my birthday. We had a 604 00:25:01,718 --> 00:25:05,638 Speaker 12: great practice. Yeah, so that's what I felt like, that 605 00:25:05,678 --> 00:25:07,519 Speaker 12: would be my best birthday. President does have a great 606 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:09,559 Speaker 12: practice and that's what we had, So I'm all good. 607 00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:14,638 Speaker 10: Girod mentioned Taekwon today one is having a great couple 608 00:25:14,678 --> 00:25:18,039 Speaker 10: of practices. What have you seen from him the last 609 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 10: couple of practices? 610 00:25:19,198 --> 00:25:21,279 Speaker 7: Yeah, I would I would agree. He's he's done really well. 611 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:24,999 Speaker 12: He's been out there working, and you know, Taekwon, I think, 612 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,039 Speaker 12: is a guy that doesn't really have like a high 613 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 12: football IQ and he's and he understands like the space 614 00:25:30,438 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 12: on the field and that you know, we talk in. 615 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 7: Our room a lot like when we run our routes. 616 00:25:33,999 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 7: We need to run routes to get other people open. Sometimes, 617 00:25:36,398 --> 00:25:37,438 Speaker 7: you know, sometimes. 618 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,838 Speaker 12: We're the primary target, sometimes we're, uh, the secondary target, 619 00:25:40,879 --> 00:25:43,158 Speaker 12: whatever it is. And I think Taekwan understands, you know, 620 00:25:43,158 --> 00:25:46,039 Speaker 12: how our concepts fit together. And you know, again sometimes 621 00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:49,158 Speaker 12: he's the lead in that and sometimes you know he's 622 00:25:49,198 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 12: got to do, you know, some kind of a different 623 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 12: assignment to help free somebody else up. So, uh, he's 624 00:25:54,438 --> 00:25:56,158 Speaker 12: a valuable part of the team because he's he's a 625 00:25:56,158 --> 00:25:58,518 Speaker 12: good team player in that regard, and he's had a 626 00:25:58,519 --> 00:25:58,999 Speaker 12: great week. 627 00:25:59,478 --> 00:26:01,839 Speaker 7: You mentioned spacing. 628 00:26:01,879 --> 00:26:03,238 Speaker 2: It seems like on the first drive there were a 629 00:26:03,238 --> 00:26:05,079 Speaker 2: couple of play action concept where guys looked a little 630 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,559 Speaker 2: close together. Was that just them adjusting the covers they had? 631 00:26:07,638 --> 00:26:09,478 Speaker 2: Was there something they could have done differently on those plays? 632 00:26:09,478 --> 00:26:12,438 Speaker 7: Just what was your thoughts? Yeah? 633 00:26:12,438 --> 00:26:15,198 Speaker 12: I would say, you know, like our spacing is something 634 00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 12: we talk about extensively. 635 00:26:16,398 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 7: You know, we talk like if a zone. 636 00:26:17,999 --> 00:26:20,158 Speaker 12: Coverage like our depth and spacing is critical of the 637 00:26:20,158 --> 00:26:22,958 Speaker 12: play It's always something that we're keeping an eye on 638 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,638 Speaker 12: and talking about. So when we do get a little 639 00:26:25,678 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 12: tight in those zones, that that's not what we want. 640 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,678 Speaker 12: We want to, you know, essentially have the defense defend 641 00:26:30,678 --> 00:26:32,319 Speaker 12: every late of grass it's out there on the field, 642 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,238 Speaker 12: and so yeah, that's something we can just continue to 643 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:35,839 Speaker 12: get better off. 644 00:26:38,999 --> 00:26:41,838 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook join John Rook as he brings you all 645 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 646 00:26:45,918 --> 00:26:48,279 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent beat 647 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 648 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:50,999 Speaker 1: state of the team. 649 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,839 Speaker 12: But where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one 650 00:26:53,918 --> 00:26:56,519 Speaker 12: thing done and let's get it done right and then 651 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:56,998 Speaker 12: we can. 652 00:26:56,879 --> 00:26:58,079 Speaker 7: Worry about versatility. 653 00:26:58,198 --> 00:26:59,398 Speaker 8: Am I lying to anybody here? 654 00:26:59,678 --> 00:27:01,039 Speaker 5: Let's just get one thing done. 655 00:27:01,158 --> 00:27:03,839 Speaker 6: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 656 00:27:03,918 --> 00:27:04,398 Speaker 6: move along. 657 00:27:04,478 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 13: That's kind of my biggest thing. 658 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.