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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and iHeart podcasts

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Speaker 2: and unbothered network production.

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Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical?

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Speaker 2: All right, if it's one thing you know about me,

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Speaker 2: I don't duck any smoke.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: While there are times I am unable to answer everything

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Speaker 2: because things are said about me all day and frankly,

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Speaker 2: a lot of it isn't worth me responding to. But

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Speaker 2: there are some criticisms of me recently that I definitely

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Speaker 2: wanted to address.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Last week, an old tweet of mine resurfaced, and there

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Speaker 2: was a steady stream of dishonest characters trying to call

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Speaker 2: me out on Twitter and a number of other of

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Speaker 2: their platforms.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The tweet that they pulled of mine was from last September,

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Speaker 2: and it was in response to several black players from

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Speaker 2: the Chicago's Guy of the WNBA discussing how they have

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Speaker 2: been harassed online and in person with racial slurs and

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Speaker 2: other derogatory and hey folk common Now. Some of those

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Speaker 2: players noted they have been subjected to more racist and

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Speaker 2: homophobic harassment this season than they ever experienced in the league. Now,

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Speaker 2: last season, Caitlyn Clark was the story of the league

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Speaker 2: but as her popularity has grown in recent years, it

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Speaker 2: was very obvious that there were these so called fans

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Speaker 2: how the vibe shifted from a certain segment of her

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Speaker 2: fan base after Caitlyn Clark liked Taylor Swift's Instagram posts

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Speaker 2: endorsing former Vice President Kamala Harris for president, and when

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Speaker 2: Clark acknowledged in a recent Time magazine piece where she

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Speaker 2: admitted she does benefit from white privilege and how it

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Speaker 2: how her accomplishments are amplified. She also mentioned that there

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Speaker 2: needed to be more done to elevate black women in

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Speaker 2: the WNBA who have helped shape the league. And that

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Speaker 2: got folks, and you know the folks I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: real mad. So when the players from the Chicago skuy

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Speaker 2: voiced their concerns about the racism that they faced, I

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Speaker 2: jumped in with my two cents after seeing this tweet.

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Speaker 2: The people who would weaponize her for racist attacks or

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Speaker 2: villainize her for the actions of others are two sides

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Speaker 2: of the same coin. Here, she gets as much or

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Speaker 2: more hate as any player, and yet she's the one

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Speaker 2: asked to address it, to fix it, not twee it back.

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Speaker 2: I don't like to play the oppression Olympics. But has

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Speaker 2: Cec had to delete her social media accounts? No, but

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Speaker 2: her teammate Aliah Boston did Cec has given out a

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Speaker 2: few hard shots herself, talk trash jawed with the reps,

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Speaker 2: and yet anytime she's subjected to physical play or heart

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Speaker 2: foul or trash talk, opposing players are absolutely villainized. Now,

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Speaker 2: she is not constantly subjected to racial slurs and whatever

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Speaker 2: hate she does experience, she is not told to tough

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Speaker 2: enough or that her feelings don't matter. She is not

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Speaker 2: subjected to both SiZ ism, nor are people trying to

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Speaker 2: justify any hatred of her now. The reason they tried

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Speaker 2: to throw this tweet back in my face is because

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Speaker 1: Truly awful recently that happened to Caitlin.

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Speaker 4: Clark This morning WNBA star Caitlin Clark breathing a bit easier.

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Speaker 4: Fifty five year old Michael Lewis from Texas is behind

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Speaker 4: bars charged with stalking after prosecutors say he sent Clark a.

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Speaker 1: Series of sexually violent messages.

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Speaker 3: You not only have someone who's maybe a place of prominence,

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Speaker 4: According to court documents charging Lewis, there were at least

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Speaker 4: fourteen messages between December sixteenth and January tewod many too

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Speaker 4: explicit to quote. In one authority, say Lewis wrote in part,

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Speaker 4: been driving around your house three times a day, but

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Speaker 4: don't call the law just yet. In another, I'm getting tickets,

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting behind the bench. The affidavit says the FBI

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Speaker 4: discovered recent messages were sent from a hotel about a

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Speaker 4: When police questioned the Texas native, he claimed he was

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Speaker 4: Clark told police she altered her public appearances and patterns

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Speaker 4: of movement due to fear for her safety.

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Speaker 2: Now that's horrible, and it's a shame that a number

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Speaker 2: recently this happened to Paige Becker's of Yukon, And of

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Speaker 2: Steppi Graves stabbed Monica Selis on the court back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. Now, I deleted the tweet, not because

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Speaker 2: I don't stand by what I said, but because I

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Speaker 2: of context for the sake of some attention, and this

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Speaker 2: situation was frankly too serious for all that nonsense. Now,

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Speaker 2: clearly in my tweet, I was talking about racism, and

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Speaker 2: specifically this idea that Caitlyn Clark faces as much racism

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Speaker 2: as the black players in the WNBA. Now, had the

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Speaker 2: conversation been about the safety threats post to female athletes,

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Speaker 2: well that's a different subject entirely. Now a reminder that

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Speaker 2: I was among many people applauding the WNBA for finally

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Speaker 2: making charter flights happen for the players. The number one

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Speaker 2: reason was players safe. Now it took a fan creepily

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Speaker 2: flights throughout the season and not just in the playoffs. Now,

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't have come to that, but progress is progress,

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Speaker 2: I guess now there is no question that there are

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Speaker 2: safety issues Kaitlyn Clark has to deal with that most

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Speaker 2: others do not. I feel awful for her, and I'm

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Speaker 2: relieved they caught this dumbass who have been stalking and

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Speaker 2: threatening her. In no way would I ever downplay something

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Speaker 2: as serious as what she has been subjected to, a

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Speaker 2: the focus here and how women in her position are

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Speaker 2: vulnerable to such threats. But these dishonest characters don't care

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Speaker 2: about that. They get their excitement from using Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 2: to criticize and demean black women. If they can't do that,

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Speaker 2: they're not nearly as interested. And one final thing, now,

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Speaker 2: I chose to address that tweet here rather than Twitter,

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Speaker 2: because well, that's my right and some things can't be

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Speaker 2: summed up with a couple of tweets. Sometimes y'all need

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Speaker 2: to hear from me. Literally, I'm Jamelle Hill, and I

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Speaker 2: approve this message. Coming up next on politics, enough with

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Speaker 2: all this serious stuff, It's time for us to get

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Speaker 2: our laugh on. My guest today is a comedian and

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Speaker 2: an actor. He's funny as hell, a huge sports fan,

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Speaker 2: and currently he is co hosting a phenomenal series on

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Speaker 2: Vice called Black Comedy in America with Tiffany Hattish and

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Speaker 2: Chris Spencer. The series is exceptional as it takes you

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Speaker 2: through the roots of black comedy and there are some

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Speaker 2: incredible one on one interviews with Kevin Hart, Will Smith

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Speaker 2: and Dave Chappelle. Highly recommend you watch it, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to discuss that series, plus his comedy origin story

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Speaker 2: and why Kevin Durant might try to fight him if

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Speaker 2: he ever runs into him. Coming up next on his

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Speaker 2: politics Ryan Davis, Right, I want to thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining me here on politics, and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to begin the podcast by asking you a question that

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Speaker 2: I ask every guest that appears on this podcast, and

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Speaker 2: that is name an athlete or a moment that made

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Speaker 2: you love sports.

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Speaker 3: The comedian and then me just wants to jump out

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Speaker 3: and be like.

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Speaker 2: Uh, oh, no, go ahead, jobs oh.

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Speaker 3: One of the moments is whenever Jim Hopball was about

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Speaker 5: It up and ran it in the end zone. And

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Speaker 5: I remember seeing you the next day that that is

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Speaker 5: one of the things. I grew up a Duke basketball fan, which.

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Speaker 1: Is wild to knowing where you're from.

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Speaker 2: It's but I have to say that whenever I whenever

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Speaker 2: there's somebody black who says they're there's part of me

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Speaker 3: How did this happen? Well, I had a older cousin

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Speaker 3: me to basketball. So that's how that happens. But like

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Speaker 3: rivalry games, understanding how big rivalries are in sports, like

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Speaker 3: those moments, those crazy moments like that, Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 3: what makes me love sports man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, honestly, well, there's a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're you're funny. That's one thing.

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Speaker 2: One reason why I often followed you on social media,

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Speaker 2: saw a lot of the things that you were doing.

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Speaker 2: But you're, like me, are also a forty nine Ers fan. Yes, yes, so,

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Speaker 2: I can't say that all comedians fit in that category.

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Speaker 2: They're usually like very casual fans. But you have a

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Speaker 3: I wanted. I woke up watching y'all. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: y'all kept getting caught.

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Speaker 2: I swear to God, I promise you. I never said

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Speaker 1: Never, Oh my mama, I'm telling you, Michael.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I did TV with Mike straight ears. I swear

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Speaker 2: to God on Mike's look. Mike got three kids.

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Speaker 3: It was because yes.

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Speaker 2: He cuts twice he did, But he never said that,

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Speaker 2: and I would crack up because you you know, y'all

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Speaker 3: It always felt like you said it, that's what it was.

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Speaker 2: I think we didn't promise you you.

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Speaker 1: We did not ever say that.

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Speaker 3: But I was in college for uh, I was a

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Speaker 3: as I love Jerry Rice, I used to watch it

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Speaker 3: what I mean. But as a sports fan and a

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The thing that really surprised me about you and anybody

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Speaker 2: And you know, and I would agree that sometimes Jordan

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Speaker 3: Paul budg and just like all right, guys like we.

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Speaker 1: And I have a feeling this generation of basketball.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you had to be there when Michael

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Speaker 1: See all the different parts of why he breaks.

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Speaker 1: My pushback, I would say to you, would be.

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Speaker 2: Even though he's been with different coaches, there's still some

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Speaker 1: All true, all.

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Speaker 2: Sharp shooters could hit the open shot. Once Jordan finally

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Speaker 2: That is all true. But in Miami they had a formula.

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Speaker 3: Because Joe L. Anthony wasn't really like that, but it's

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Speaker 3: So this was my thing about the Miami Heat team.

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Speaker 3: attention and kicking. He can't kick the Dwayne Wade. He's

441
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: gonna catch it and drive it too. If they don't

442
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 3: get out in the fast break, they really didn't stand

443
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: the chance. That's why Pop was just like, yeah, just

444
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: don't let him run, Just don't let him run and

445
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: see what happens.

446
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 2: And to some degree, Dallas employed that's same the finals

447
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: they lost to Dallas, they had had a similar game

448
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: plan and it's that Pop it used before. I mean,

449
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: I had to cover that brutally awful finals when Lebron

450
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: took that first Calfs team that he was on to

451
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: to the finals against the Spurs, and I you know,

452
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: when you're a reporter, you're covering something like that, you

453
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: you you basically are asking yourself, can this end in

454
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: three games?

455
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: Because American?

456
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right?

457
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: You know a team with old old ass erics. No,

458
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: not even the youngers, no Booby Gibson man, that.

459
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 7: Team that they were stacked, Jordan, tell you what they'll

460
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 7: do anything Like, Lebron took the worst team and the

461
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 7: worst final statement history to the only the.

462
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: Only team that was maybe worse was Alan Iverson's team.

463
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: That was they had the defensive player of the year,

464
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: six man of the year on that team. Man, there

465
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: was nobody on that team with Lebron that was the Listen.

466
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 3: And this is the thing. I hated Lebron back then.

467
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: I think there's always this thought, if you knew me

468
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: as a person, I don't hate. I don't like nobody

469
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: when they come into the league. I'm not a fan

470
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: of anybody. You have to earn my fandom. So yeah,

471
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: so Lebron. I actually started liking Lebron until like until

472
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: Dwayne Wade started kind of you could tell he was deteriorating,

473
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: and Lebron was really like having to pull the heat

474
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: across the finish line. And the second run in Cleveland

475
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: is where I was like, oh yeah, I can't say

476
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: nothing about this dude. This is the best basketball player

477
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: I've ever seen, ever seen. Whenever he took Golden State

478
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: the six games and his second best score was what

479
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: was I can't even think of his name right now.

480
00:26:52,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: He was the center. It was no Timothy mas Yeah,

481
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: they went six games and he had his second best

482
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 3: scorer was Timothy Miles. Gob third best player was Matthew Delawadoe,

483
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: and they went. I was like, this guy is and

484
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: I think a lot of Jordan fans don't understand this too.

485
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: You learn a lot about people in losses, you know

486
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: what I mean. Patrick Mahomes's greatest Super Bowl performance to

487
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: me is in the loss to Tampa where he's just

488
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: running for his life, diving and throwing the ball side

489
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: arm and it's hitting his players in the face mask.

490
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: That's when I was like, oh man, this is probably

491
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: the best thrower of the football I've ever seen. How

492
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: do you even do that? And some people go, well,

493
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: they lost, well, they broke the record for you know,

494
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: quarterback pressure. You're not supposed to win that game. But

495
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 3: it made me see that how good he really was.

496
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: Whenever the everything isn't stacked in your favor, how do

497
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: you look as how I look at you know who

498
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: the rates are? Yeah that's why. Yeah, that's why Tom

499
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: Brady ain't gonna never be what No.

500
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: Guys really, So do you feel like Brady.

501
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: One?

502
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: Because you look at some of Brady's until he got

503
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: Randy Moss, like Brady didn't offensively, he didn't play with

504
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: stacked teams like that, So I would think he would

505
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: fit the mode of what you're talking about, is somebody

506
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: able to win more with less?

507
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: M hmm. Like his first what his first two super Bowls?

508
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: I don't think he threw.

509
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: For correct because the team was constructed.

510
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, but they'll count that. They'll count that as

511
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: you know that. They'll be like he has seven rings.

512
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Well he was carried the super Bowl that they won

513
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: like ken seven Now, no, no, no, no, the super

514
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: Bowl they won like ten to three. Oh man, he

515
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: really tore it up in that one. Then you got

516
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: all the asterisks, the the tuck rule and the game

517
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: at the he but it happened. But it happened. I

518
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: can't act like it.

519
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: Did you really keep won a Super Bowl because of

520
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: deflate Gate.

521
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: I think this is what I think happened. I think

522
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: that he injured his thumb right so they deflated the

523
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: ball to make it more comfortable for him, and that's cheated.

524
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: This is how you know. This is how you know

525
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: the ball was really deflated. He threw an interception and

526
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: the linebacker who never touches the ball said, something's wrong

527
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: with this ball. So you gotta think he didn't throw

528
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: an interception for ten weeks. For ten weeks, that means

529
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: been throwing a deflated ball to the best sight here

530
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: and in the history of sports, with hands this big,

531
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: like I mean, there are competitive advantages, and they act

532
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: like having Bill Belichick is not an advantage. Bill is.

533
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: He's a great coach.

534
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: But did Bill Belichick do without Tom Brady and without

535
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: the Yeah?

536
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Who won without?

537
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: So stop Brady won another ring?

538
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: Bill?

539
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: He did? Yes, he did, Tom Brady. Tom Brady went

540
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: to a team that had a top defense to Pro

541
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: Bowl wide receivers. He did. Then he went and added

542
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: gromp He added a b and he added Leonard Fournette.

543
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: All of which scored in the Super Bowl. None of

544
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: the guys who was actually on the team before he

545
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: got there scored in the Super Bowl actually, and then

546
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: in the in the Divisional round he threw three picks.

547
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: He did in the in the NFC Championship, he threw

548
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: three picks. No one talks about it, and.

549
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: In Spider Brady of course they oh my god, you

550
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: are what quarterback?

551
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: You know, throw six picks in two weeks and they're like, man,

552
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: he's the goat. That's just what he does. He's just

553
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: a winner. He just goes.

554
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: Because when it matters, you know, I don't want that much.

555
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: You don't want that man to have the ball, you know,

556
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: when it matters.

557
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: You don't. That is just like Patrick Mahomes.

558
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: You don't want him to have the ball last.

559
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: That is true, and that's where I'll give him credit

560
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: for that. But at the same time, right if if

561
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: my head coach, when he's with the Falcons, runs the

562
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: ball two times, about that if the Seeds, if the

563
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: Seahawks run the ball, what just handed to Mark Sean Lynch.

564
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: It's like it's like his career is more favor than good.

565
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: It's just like the stars aligned for him so many times,

566
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: and I'm like, good for him, because you need a

567
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: little bit of luck, you do, Andy.

568
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, for example, it's like we were

569
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: talking about Lebron if ray Allen, if that backtap doesn't

570
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: happen to ray Allen and they list to the Spurs

571
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: that year. I mean, in some ways people might have

572
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: looked at Miami as a busted experiment.

573
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: You go back, it was, yeah, exactly like you go to.

574
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: The three to one series against Golden State if Draymond

575
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: doesn't get suspended.

576
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: So I think there's always these things in sports.

577
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: Right, No one ever talks about injuries in sports. Teams

578
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: win titles all the time. No one Kawhi Leonard. Nobody

579
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 3: is going to talk about the fact that Kevin Durant

580
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: was down and then they probably still would have lost

581
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: because Klay Thompson was eating them alive and then he

582
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: goes down. No, they go, Kawhi Leonard is one of

583
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: the top seventy five because yes, two finals, MVPs and

584
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: two different conferences. But if you tell, like also Tim

585
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: Duncan wasn't in on that play, Pop took Tim Duncan out, yep,

586
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: and then that's how the ball gets tapped. It's all

587
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: you got. You got stuff that bounces your way, you

588
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's it happens. But I think,

589
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: like I think the difference when people talk about Jordan, Jordan,

590
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: he put the ball in the hole when the game

591
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: is on the line. He put the ball in the hole.

592
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: There's something to be said about that. But the other yeah,

593
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: the other team, like Tom Brady, all this stuff, them

594
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: not calling the fumble whenever he gets hit by Charles Woodson,

595
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. The Rams refusing to do

596
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: to run a different formation. They ran the same for

597
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: new Bill Belichick figured it out and then was like

598
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: they were like do something else. They were like, nah,

599
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: we've been doing this all year. He knows the plays.

600
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: He knows the plays, and they just didn't. That was

601
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: mind boggling to me. And then you know Atlanta washing them.

602
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: But they decide they have Freeman having a career year,

603
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: don't give them the ball ever again. Like he was

604
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: averaging five yards of carry same thing with Mike Marx Marshall.

605
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: Funk was averaging over five yards of carrying. Stop giving

606
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: him the ball. The guy with two thousand yards total

607
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: four consecutive seasons, let's stop giving him the ball. So

608
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: it's it's choices like that that make me go okay,

609
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: that that helped Brady get to where he was going

610
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: more than what he was actually doing. With Michael Jordan,

611
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: he just couldn't You couldn't do nothing with it. You

612
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: couldn't do nothing with him. Anybody who says he's the goat,

613
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: I completely understand that argument. But there's too many times

614
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: I watched Patriots game He'll throw a screen to Kevin fault,

615
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: Kevin make a got miss, make a got missed, and

616
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: then died for for the first down, died for it

617
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: for the first down. To they like bad Brady really

618
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: gets it done at the clutch. I was like, so

619
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: we don't care nothing about how Wes Welker, how Wes

620
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: Welker is getting these one on ones with linebackers, and like,

621
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it. He is a smart player.

622
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: But like, uh, when Peyton Manning got carried for the

623
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 3: Broncos title, right, I love Peyton Manner. I don't even

624
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: count that Super Bowl, but they if people say he

625
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: got too, I mean technically yes too. Come on, man,

626
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: come on, man, man. Blaine Gabbert could have got that

627
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. It just I don't know, man, for me,

628
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: like it matters, like when you watch it, what actually

629
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: happened matters. And I think too many times in the

630
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: brainy argument, we're not looking and we're not watching the

631
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: game like that. It's it's it's always results and it's

632
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: never what happens. Like Patrick Mahomes gets a lot of rings.

633
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: They never call holding on that offensive line. Now, whether you.

634
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: You're just gonna piss off every fan base, I'm gonna say,

635
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: but this.

636
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: Is what you gotta understand. I'm a Duke fan. That's

637
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 3: cheap for us all the time.

638
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: The fan I've ever heard admit that, and I'm saying.

639
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: All the time. That's why. Was like when people said,

640
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: one my best friend is a tar Hill fan. He'll

641
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: be like, we'll be watching the game and it'd be

642
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: an awful call. He'll look at me and I won't

643
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 3: even look away from the screen because I can feel

644
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: him looking at the sun. They cheeked for Duke all

645
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: the time. I remember we played the tar Heels. I

646
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: think it was Yeah, it was Austin Rivers. I think

647
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: it was. It was either No, it might have been

648
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: Seth Curry took like nine steps into a three pointer.

649
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: I was like, everybody's looking at me. I was like,

650
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say to that. He like

651
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: tucked it juke. Then a spind moon came out and

652
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: I was like, Dad, you ain't even got to put

653
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: the ball down anymore. That's crazy. But that's what I'm

654
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: saying you when you have an objective view, you have

655
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: an objective view, Like I know, like whenever the Ravens

656
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: was blowing us out and we cut the power off,

657
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: I know, we cut the power off.

658
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: Who took the cord out?

659
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

660
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 6: Man, I was.

661
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: I was watching the gay like, thank God, somebody do something.

662
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 3: I was the momentum had something had to happen. So

663
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: and then we got it back on the back end

664
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: because that was fast interference.

665
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: On their ways. B yeah, yeah, yeah, So I.

666
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 3: Mean, but we cheate it first.

667
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: So well, I'm glad.

668
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: You bropped the forty nine ers, because certainly I do

669
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: have just a couple questions for you regarding that. But

670
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: we're going to take a quick break though, before we

671
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: get more deeply into some sports conversations, and obviously I

672
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: have a whole lot I really want to ask you

673
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: about your new incredible docuseries, Black Comedy in America, that

674
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 2: you're co hosting with Chrispincer and Tiffany Hattish Is on Vice.

675
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: And for those.

676
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: Who maybe are not familiar or haven't watched it, it's

677
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: really really a remarkable, well done, just great examination of

678
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: how black comedy has shaped America.

679
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: So I highly encourage you to listen.

680
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: So there's some things I want to ask you about

681
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: that docuseries. But first, Ryan, we're going to take a

682
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: very quick break and we'll be back with more with.

683
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: Comedy Ryan Davis.

684
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Ryan, Before the break, we were talking and you

685
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 2: brought up the forty nine Ers and been a little

686
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: bit painful for us as forty nine Ers fans.

687
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: We keep going to.

688
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: Super Bowls and losing them, and it seems like we

689
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: really love to lose them. With Kyle Shanahan, you know

690
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: you mentioned twenty eight to three. He obviously was the

691
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator when that happened in Atlanta. We have seen

692
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: something similar in both of the Super Bowls that we

693
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: have lost to Kansas City. We averaged nine yards of Carrie.

694
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: We got Jimmy Garoppolo. He decides, let's throw the ball

695
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: right this last Super Bowl, very same thing. They could

696
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: not stop us on the ground, So for an entire quarter, naturally,

697
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan decides that he would like to throw the

698
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: football because sometimes my issue with him is that he'd

699
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: rather look like a genius than win the fucking game.

700
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: Win the game, dude, I don't care about your being

701
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 2: a genius. Let's win the Super Bowl. All that being said,

702
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: you see how this season is going as the recording

703
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: of this podcast, I think the Niners maybe six and

704
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: seven or they're one game under five hundred.

705
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: Just beat down the Bears.

706
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: We know that injury list is long, between Trent Williams

707
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: and obviously McCaffrey gone for the year, to Yeau out

708
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: for the season, Green Raw just so, I mean, everybody got.

709
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: Hurt this year.

710
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: When you look at how this team is constructed and

711
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: just where we are right now in the NFL, does

712
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: it feel to you like this run has come to

713
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: an end?

714
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: No, it comes to an end if we pay that quarterback.

715
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: They cannot overpay the quarterback. You overpay the quarterback in

716
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: the tow's.

717
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: What's what's overpay?

718
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: Because I mean Dak Prescott, I think right now technically

719
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: is the highest paid quarterback, or we'll be for twenty

720
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: twenty five.

721
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: For sure. If your name is not Patrick Mahomes or

722
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: Josh Allen or Lamar, you should not be making forty

723
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: million dollars to play quarterback. Nobody should. That is the

724
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: number you give somebody who can carry a franchise. When

725
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: we have injuries, we lose. Brock Party does not carry

726
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 3: the franchise. Yes, he looks good when everybody's on the field.

727
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: That's because everybody's on the field the moment you pay him.

728
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: You cannot keep people. You can't keep them. And then

729
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: now what and now what he has he ever, this

730
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: is like the game against the Bears is like the

731
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 3: first game he won without Trent Williams. He without Trent Williams,

732
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: he don't even win like so so for me, like

733
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: and he's a good quarterback, he's a good quarter It's

734
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: just too early to give him that kind of money.

735
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is also you know, a goddess word. But

736
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 3: you saw what happened. They paid him and the wide receiver.

737
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: Both of them are having career seasons and it don't matter.

738
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: It don't matter. You need a team to win a

739
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. I miss the days where people understood defense

740
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: wins championships and you run the ball.

741
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 8: That's that.

742
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: And if you're not running in the ball, then you

743
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: need a Patrick Mahomes type player. You need a Tom

744
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: Brady top type player who can convert on third downs

745
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: where you know, you just put the ball in their

746
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: hand and you're like, whatever happened, like we trust whatever

747
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: happens will happen in our favor. But I don't think

748
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: he's that guy. I think a lot of quarterbacks would

749
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: look good with McCaffrey, Deebo Samuels, George Kettle, Brandon Aiyuk

750
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: and the best left tackle in the league and then

751
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: and then a top five defense on the other side.

752
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's how you get there.

753
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: You know you mentioned earlier you said a very important phrase,

754
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: you said, defense wins championships. Unfortunately, there's an NBA Hall

755
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: of Famer who does not agree with you that. You

756
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: got into a bit of a back and forth with, Yes,

757
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, you called him out, Well, he sort of

758
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: started it because he posted on social media that offense

759
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: wins championships. You challenge that and said him making that

760
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: statement proves why he's been unable to win a championship

761
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: outside of Golden State. He then called you a quote

762
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: trash comedian, and that's when you decided to take a

763
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: bazooka to a knife fight.

764
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 3: So I wody.

765
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want everybody to listen to this next clip.

766
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: This is Ryan deciding that he has no regard for

767
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: human life when it comes to Kevin Durant.

768
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 8: Yesterday, Kevin Durant said that I was a trash comedian.

769
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 8: I'm like what he said for me. For dag Bro,

770
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 8: why you get personal?

771
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: I ain't talking about that monstrosity sitting on top of

772
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: your head.

773
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 8: I kept it basketball.

774
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: You said that offense wins championships instead of defense winning championships,

775
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: and I disagreed. I say, it's probably the thinking that

776
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: you have is why you haven't got close to competing

777
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: for a title since leaving Golden State. Because during Golden

778
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: State's run that a top three defensive efficiency. That's a

779
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: fact since defense isn't as important. Explain this to me,

780
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: Eddie Kane Jr. In the modern era of basketball, the

781
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: Hall of famers with the most titles Kareem, Jordan, Pippin, Rodman, Kobe,

782
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: Tim Duncan they have that minimum eight all defensive selections,

783
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 3: not a bunch of scoring.

784
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 8: Titles between all of them.

785
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 3: All have a significant amount of all defense selections.

786
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 8: You know what Kevin Durant has never had.

787
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: I know you're thinking waves, and you're right, but Kevin

788
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: Durant has never had an all defensive selection.

789
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: So after saying all that about Kevin Durrect, have you

790
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: seen Kevin durat sister?

791
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: You know I haven't seen them.

792
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever met Kevin Durrett.

793
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 3: I have not met him. I've been the games, of course,

794
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: but I've never met him. And the thing was, he

795
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: obviously wasn't familiar with my game. But it's okay. It's

796
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: okay because he is now. And I think. I think

797
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: what a lot of people got to realize about me

798
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 3: is like I really love to argue, and no matter,

799
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant is in my top fifteen all time. So

800
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: for me to be able to make a piece of

801
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: content or a body of work that discredits one of

802
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: the top fifteen people to ever touch a basketball says

803
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: more about how great I am, not necessarily how terribly

804
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: he is. Right, the fact that I could find that

805
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: much of an argument to get somebody who's that great,

806
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 3: I think sometimes. But that's what that's actually the point

807
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: that I wanted to show him. It is just like, nah, man,

808
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: I'm really good at what I do. He should probably

809
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: tune in. It just sucks that you're the subject of

810
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: the day. But Kevin Durant, I get where he's where

811
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: he's coming from. But I think when you listen to

812
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: what I said, I mean, there's really no there was

813
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: really no argument his argument. His rebuttal was, I mean

814
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: he do this on the internet stuff. No, no, no,

815
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: you could say you can, you can say whatever fact

816
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: you have to the contrary, but there isn't one. Because

817
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, Jordan, and like Jordan,

818
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: he is considered the class of the class, right He's

819
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: he's the goat in most people's eyes. And then some

820
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: people will even argue Kobe, no one talks about anything.

821
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: Nobody forgets how what they were as defenders. Nobody, Yeah,

822
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: like nobody like Kobe, what like ten first team defenses

823
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: or something like that. Listen it. Putting the ball in

824
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: the hole is great, but if they can't do it,

825
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: if they can't score on you, they cannot beat you.

826
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: People get too into scoring, right and I and like

827
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony Right. One of the best bucket getters I've

828
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is

829
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 3: second to Michael Jordan as far as bucket getting to me. Like, no,

830
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: there's no better bucket getter in the history of the

831
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 3: game than Michael Jordan. After that, I believe it's Kevin Durant.

832
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: But Kevin Durant is forgetting that like stops and turnovers change,

833
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: rebounding changes the game so much whenever, Like I don't know, man,

834
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: just like offense is, offense is great, but on an

835
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: off day, you lose if you're all offense, if anybody's off.

836
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: Defense is what keeps you in the game, even if

837
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: you're having an off night. And if you're having an

838
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: on night, then you're going to win in a blowout.

839
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: But it starts with defense. Starts with defense, you know

840
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: what I mean?

841
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: They So, how how surprised were you that he responded?

842
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: I felt bad for him when I read it. I

843
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: had because you have because you remember I told you

844
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: I don't like nobody, so until until you, until you,

845
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: until you make me a fan. He actually never made

846
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: me a fan, so so I already don't like you.

847
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: So why would you. And this is the thing. It

848
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: ain't nothing personal is whatever. It's just like me as

849
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: a competitor, right, Like I can't compete at a high

850
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: level at a high level in basketball like he can.

851
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: But even at my level, I would never join somebody

852
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: who just be we gotta run it back. That is

853
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: just where is your competitive nature? I don't want to

854
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: hear it. Like when he did that, I ain't want

855
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: to hear nothing about nothing. And then he won me over.

856
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: But it's toe touch the line. But in that series

857
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: where I was like, I was like, man, he really

858
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: gonna have to carry again. And then the very nets

859
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: game he almost had a fifty point triple double, and

860
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, there ain't nothing to talk about.

861
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 3: He is Kevin Durant. He is. He has every right

862
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: to talk about himself the way that he talks about himself.

863
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: But if you ever say that's anybody man, would I

864
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: would like my father up like that if he said

865
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: I was a trash Coobedia like, you don't say you disagree.

866
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: You can disagree with me without attacking what it is

867
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 3: that I do. Like, at the end of the day, Jamel,

868
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: you are phenomenal at what you do right, and we

869
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 3: know this. You don't have the career that you have.

870
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: You don't have like there's been like forces against your

871
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: career and it still could not stop your career. Whenever

872
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: you are great at what you do, there's nothing that

873
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 3: can stop it. And there's nothing nobody can really say.

874
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: So if somebody was to criticize you at what you do,

875
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: knowing you do it at a high level, and you

876
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 3: had the opportunity need to respond in your form of art,

877
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta savor that moment. You gotta be like,

878
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: oh God, hey, welcome to the party. You want to

879
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: come over here? Okay, all right? So I don't know, man.

880
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: When I had my kids with me and I saw

881
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: the comment, I just started laughing. I was and I

882
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: and I and I don't make content when I have

883
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: my children. So I was like, I was like, guys,

884
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna have fun tonight and then your dad is

885
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: going to ruin somebody's life. People saw the comment. My

886
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 3: phone was blowing up. They like, the people who know

887
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: me personally, that Kevin Durant video is me. That is

888
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: that is who I am all the time. There is

889
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: no I don't ever, I don't have a character that

890
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 3: I play in like my comedy, that is that is

891
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: really me. I like to uh, I like to make

892
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: people feel bad. I can't lie. Nah, but I did.

893
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: I felt attacked though he didn't have to do. I

894
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: would have never done that. If he could have simply said, yo,

895
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 3: as somebody who does this professionally, I would just say

896
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: that I feel like I know more than you or

897
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm better equipped to talk about this, because I would

898
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: be that way in comedy. There's no way I let

899
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: a civilian tell me that they know comedy bore to

900
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 3: be Actually, I wouldn't even entertain the conversation, to be

901
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: honest with you, I just be like whatever. So the

902
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: fact that he even entertained it was like wow. But

903
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: to attack what I do and then he said he's

904
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: like a trillion times better at what he does than

905
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: what I do. And I don't know. I don't know.

906
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: I might be top fifteen all time, dude, So I

907
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't.

908
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: Well one thing.

909
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: You know that video got millions and millions of views,

910
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: and certainly you know the people who follow you, they

911
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: knew what to expect, that they knew there was going

912
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: to be a strong response but nevertheless, you sort of

913
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 2: represent a different age of comedy. You know, a lot

914
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: of comedians now brilliantly use social media to try to

915
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: bolster their profile, to bring awareness, directly connect with their fans,

916
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: and you were one to You were one of the

917
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: early pioneers of that. You know, not to outdate you, however,

918
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: in talking to comedians, there does seem to be the

919
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: comedians who do stand up, which you do, and that's

920
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: your bread and butter, really, and what you're really passionate

921
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: about the comedians who do stand up to how they

922
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: look at the comedians who are influencers, or maybe the

923
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: influencers who are trying to be comedians. So what are

924
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: your thoughts about sort of the difference between the influencer

925
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: comedian and the stand up comedian and that tension there.

926
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: Because you represent a little bit of both.

927
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on both sides of the but I am

928
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: still a purist and I am a comedy snob, so

929
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: which is part of the reason why they chose me

930
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: to do the docu series. They know comedy is my

931
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 3: bag and I think if you don't master stand up,

932
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: you're not a master of comedy. That's me, That is

933
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: my standpoint now because influencer and social media comedian, I've

934
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: seen too many people but get popular in a non

935
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: creative way for me to give that the type of

936
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 3: credit that stand up has, where it's like written, produced

937
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: and performed buy you. It's just you on a stage.

938
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: You get a mic, sand and a stool, maybe a chair,

939
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: and it's up to you to make all these strangers

940
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: in the room get on the same page with you

941
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: about something that is personal to you. That is a

942
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: different skill set than taking a sound from TikTok and

943
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: just voicing it over, or doing silly stuff, or just

944
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: reminding people of everyday stuff that they see. Anybody I

945
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: don't think I think. Don't get me wrong. I support

946
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: anybody's dream to make a way for their family doing

947
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: whatever it is that you're doing. I'll never tell any

948
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: content creator to stop doing what they're doing. I'll never

949
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: tell them to stop making their money. I'll never tell

950
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 3: them to stop taking care of their family. But there

951
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: is a such thing as aspiring comedian popularity does not

952
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: put you over here. You gotta earn it over here.

953
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: The type of stuff like the stages that I had

954
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 3: to hit, the failed jokes, the bombing, and the things

955
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 3: that I have to do to gain the respect of

956
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle and and some more and and you know,

957
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: DL Hughley and everybody like I'm really embraced by the

958
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 3: comedy community from my stand up, which is the hardest

959
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: form of comedy. And for somebody who goes for somebody

960
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: who just plays a character of some type or just

961
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: like do stuff that's like that makes you reminisce, like

962
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 3: there's a there's a bun. So this is the best

963
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: way I can describe it, Jamail. There's a lot of

964
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: things that are funny. A lot of things are funny.

965
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: Someone trips and falls that can be funny. Someone fart

966
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 3: at depending on the times that's funny. Maybe you're closer

967
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: to a fart than you are a comedian, but but

968
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: you're not. You're not over here. And to the comedians,

969
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: I have way more respect for the comedians who try it,

970
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 3: try to stand up lose And because that's another thing.

971
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 3: Social media protects you from failure, protect you from failure.

972
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: You do a video, if many people don't see it,

973
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 3: you can convince yourself, oh, it was funny. The algorithm

974
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: is messed up. There ain't no algorithm stand up comedy.

975
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: When you're not doing well, you know it, and everybody

976
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: in the room lets you know that wasn't funny. And

977
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 3: I think that's the difference. It's kind of like shooting

978
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: free throws in practice versus shooting free throws with the

979
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 3: game on the line, you know what I mean? Yeah,

980
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 3: I mean you can hit it when ain't nobody watching

981
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: you or ain't nobody nothing, but when the crowd is

982
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 3: there and everything. Actually, when you show that you really

983
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: got it, and if you're not showing that you really

984
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: have it in real time, I can't compare you to

985
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: the people who do. I think that's a very unfair comparison.

986
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: Well, one of the.

987
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: As I mentioned the docuseries that's on Vice, where you

988
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: chrispinserontipany Hash take people through sort of this history of

989
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 2: black comedy by focusing on comedians who have changed the game,

990
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Hard, Eddie Murphy, some of the great How did

991
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: you become a part of that project?

992
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: Oh? Man? I got called? Uh yeah, man, I was

993
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: just I was sitting down and they got a call

994
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 3: there like they're doing a docuseries and they need somebody

995
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 3: to represent the new generation and they want you to

996
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: do it. And I was like, oh, man, that sounds great.

997
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I hope, I hope it's great.

998
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: They were like, it's paying this. I was like, oh man,

999
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 3: it ain't about the money, but I would love to

1000
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: do this. I never said nah, but I love comedy.

1001
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: It's such it was. It was such a big thing

1002
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: in my life, even before I was doing and you know,

1003
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: in our in our culture, comedy it's huge, huge. Laughter

1004
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 3: brought us through a lot culturally, so we lean on it.

1005
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: Like and black people, we don't have to go to

1006
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 3: comedy to find somebody funny. There's funny people all through

1007
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: our family. So yeah, Like so to even choose this

1008
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: fat to be like, I'm funnier than all your uncles,

1009
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: your cousins, your brother and your sister, like like we

1010
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 3: know funny and funny, Like we know how to you know,

1011
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: laugh even in the worst of times. And I am

1012
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: a historian, like you know, whenever we talk about sports

1013
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: and stuff, I just rattle off all this stuff. I

1014
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: really love the research stuff, and this was an opportunity

1015
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: to one share my knowledge with with the world, but

1016
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: also learned so much that I didn't know. I've gained

1017
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: so much knowledge just from doing this project, like it's

1018
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: given me more than I was able to give to it.

1019
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 3: I believe that's why, Like when you say you watch

1020
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: it and it's really well done, and then the people

1021
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 3: I've gotten to meet and the relationships, I mean, no, man,

1022
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: I'll never forget this experience. I'll never forget this experience.

1023
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: This is this has been amazing for me. I'm so

1024
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: one of the most important phone calls of my life

1025
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: is me getting that yeah, yeah, no it.

1026
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: It's really I agree. It's like very well done, very

1027
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: well researched. But more importantly, it's really very inspiring because

1028
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: a lot of the comedians that people love hearing about

1029
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: their stories and what they had to go through to

1030
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: get through where they are, you know, because sometimes people

1031
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: have sort of polarizing opinions of like Kevin Hard, but

1032
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: there's no way you can hear his story and.

1033
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: Not respect what he has done.

1034
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: And reading up on your background, I know Kevin Hart

1035
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: had a very big influence on why you became a comedian.

1036
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: So what was it about how he moved that made

1037
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: you feel like you could do this?

1038
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: I think the I don't think you ever believe you

1039
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: can do it unless you're arrogant. I wasn't not arrogant.

1040
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: I was because I looked at them like like magicians,

1041
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I was like, man, how

1042
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: are they doing that? Like I'm funny to my friends,

1043
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: but how do you make strangers laugh like that? But

1044
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: what Kevin Hart did that inspired me. He lets you

1045
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: see him get to the mountaintop. A lot of people

1046
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: they arrived there and you're like, man, they're this famous person.

1047
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 3: But Kevin allowed us to see And I think that

1048
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 3: was the one thing with social media that's great when

1049
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: that's one of the tools. That's when social media. For me,

1050
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of social media, but that

1051
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 3: was the one part of it that I love that

1052
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 3: Kevin Hart. You got to see him in the small theater,

1053
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 3: then the big theater, then selling out Madison Square Garden,

1054
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: and then when he sold out Madison Square Garden, he's

1055
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: like blubbering, crying, trying to explain like how much this

1056
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: means to him through all the nose his TV shows

1057
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: getting canceled, his movie's bombing, getting pirated or whatever, people

1058
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: not really respecting him. He's doing the little cameos and

1059
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: music videos, and now he's selling out two nights at

1060
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden and he's not standing up there going

1061
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm the biggest comedian in the world. He's crying because

1062
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: he's it's all the work that was done to get there.

1063
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: And in that moment, I didn't go, I want to

1064
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: be a comedian. I went, I want to chase a

1065
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: dream and have the satisfaction of getting to the mountaintop.

1066
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 3: It just so happened. That's the dream that I wanted.

1067
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: Chase happens to be in comedy. But I think that

1068
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: moment Kevin Hart would have inspired me to do anything.

1069
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: If I wanted to run an ice cream shop. I

1070
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 3: think that day I would have bought my first ice

1071
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: cream maker. It was Yeah, I just it was. It

1072
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: was very I'm him. So my comedy style, my influence

1073
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 3: is more Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock and Patrisea O'Neill.

1074
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 3: But the biggest inspiration, my biggest inspiration in comedy is

1075
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 3: Kevin Hart, and it's by miles. It's a lung, but yeah,

1076
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 3: like he's the most He's probably one of the most

1077
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: important people, if not the most important person to me

1078
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: in my comedy journey.

1079
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: You know, the one thing that's interesting about your journey

1080
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: is that sometimes when you talk to comedians, you say, oh, okay,

1081
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: when did how did you know you were funny? That like, oh,

1082
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: in school, you know I was a class clown. I

1083
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: used to do this and that. That wasn't necessarily your journey.

1084
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: So when did you really believe and truly realized you

1085
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: were funny?

1086
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 3: People just kept telling me they kept it and I

1087
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: loved comedy, right, so I knew how it was weird,

1088
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: Like I think I never liked showing people how smart

1089
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 3: I was or how funny I was. It wasn't that

1090
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: it was taboo. It's just something in me was insecure

1091
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 3: about it and my friends. I went to a comedy

1092
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 3: show and my friends was like, man, you're funnier than

1093
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: everybody up there, and I was like, I don't even

1094
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: have the guts to get up there. I don't know why,

1095
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 3: but after seeing Kevin three days later I got on stage,

1096
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 3: it was just like yeah, it was like either you're

1097
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 3: gonna because I'm big on procrastinating too, so you gotta everybody. Yeah, Like,

1098
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 3: I gotta throw myself out there because if I go, oh,

1099
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 3: I'll do it next week, it's not getting done. So

1100
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 3: I had to sign up for the first open mic

1101
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: that was even covered after I went and saw that,

1102
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: specially you. But no, I couldn't be a class clown. Parents,

1103
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: strict parents. You be a class clown at your own risk.

1104
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 3: Not in that house. Call me for what you don't

1105
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 3: know how to you missed a funny man. Yeah, my

1106
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: dad was funny too, So now yeah, so I always

1107
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: say that he's funnier than me. I'm not the funniest

1108
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: person in my family. I was the person smart enough

1109
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 3: to make a career out of it.

1110
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: So now you know, it's funny how comedy, at least

1111
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: in recent years have led us to these broader conversations

1112
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: about culture. And you know, as we're recording this right now,

1113
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: one conversation that comedy has sort of ignited is about

1114
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: whether or not black people allow people who are not

1115
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 2: black to get a little too comfortable inside of our space.

1116
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 3: You know.

1117
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar recently called Andrew Schultz because he made fun

1118
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: of black women on his podcast. Much said some giggles

1119
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: and some laughs, and it created again that conversation about

1120
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: are we, you know, the appropriate gatekeepers that we need

1121
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: to be as a comedian, and especially you know, having

1122
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: watched your stand up and watching how you navigate.

1123
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: Nobody is safe.

1124
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: So what's your perspective about all this conversation around Andrew

1125
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: Schultz and whether or not he was out of bounds.

1126
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: I talked to Andrew immediately when I heard the Kendrick

1127
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: This is the first thing I did was message him.

1128
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, they talk about you right now?

1129
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 3: Right it all out? You know it's crazy. No kids

1130
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 3: are talking about you, right. I didn't think of nobody else.

1131
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: I was like, he's definitely talking about you, bro, and uh,

1132
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 3: fans of dy have reached out to get my perspective.

1133
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 3: I'll give it to You'll be the first person to

1134
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 3: get it out.

1135
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: With Hey Solive, Yeah, I don't.

1136
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: I don't police comedy at all. And and I remember

1137
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 3: one time Dave Chappelle did this bit where he where

1138
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: Michael Richard said nigger a bunch of times and we

1139
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: seen him sense. Yeah, we ain't seen him sit. But

1140
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle says, sometimes I feel like I'm more comedian

1141
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 3: than I am black, because even when he was doing

1142
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 3: all that I was he was like, come on, Michael,

1143
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 3: you can get him back. You can turn this set around.

1144
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 3: You can turn this set around and he's like, nah,

1145
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 3: he definitely couldn't turn around. But for me, So for me,

1146
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: I am more comedian than anything else, right, And I

1147
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: don't police comedians. What I don't like is like, if

1148
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 3: you are a comedian and you do bad jokes and

1149
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 3: they don't work and you make people mad, don't go

1150
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: I'm a comedian. I get the no. No, you did

1151
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: do what you were supposed to do. We don't like

1152
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: we do get to say whatever we want as long

1153
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: as it's funny. So if if way less people laugh

1154
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 3: than do laugh, you didn't do your job. Because Anthony

1155
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 3: jezsel Nick, how he had said on the podcast, and

1156
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: he attributes this quote to Andy Warhol, art is getting

1157
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 3: away with it. So if you don't get away with it,

1158
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: you didn't do the job. You didn't do the job.

1159
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: So like when even whenever the RNC came right and

1160
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: Tony Hinchcliffe did his bit right, everybody was like, oh man,

1161
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 3: because they ain't no I know Tony, and I'm like, uh, like, yo,

1162
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 3: what do you think? I was like, yeah, you was bombing.

1163
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 3: They were like about that. They were like they were like,

1164
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: what about the racist part? I was like, I don't

1165
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 3: know nothing about that. I know these jokes are bad.

1166
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: These jokes are really bad. He was like, oh, my

1167
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 3: black friend, we gonna carve bartermelons later. And I was like,

1168
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: it's November. Watermelon is a summer boom boom.

1169
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of a bit of a low hanging yeah watermelon.

1170
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah.

1171
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, boom, like, you're not mad as

1172
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: a black man. I couldn't get mad as a black man.

1173
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm a coming boo this nigga.

1174
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 3: They lucky. I went there boom, and I just felt

1175
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 3: the same way like sometimes sometimes showed say some stuff

1176
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 3: that I think is brilliant, and some some of the

1177
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 3: things he said in his defense I thought was brilliant.

1178
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 3: But the problem is the problem is he won't acknowledge

1179
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: that the joke's are bad. It was like, hey, man,

1180
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 3: I pick on everybody. I just missed. I went, I

1181
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 3: shot my shote at the black woman joke. It missed. Sorry,

1182
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 3: I don't always everybody doesn't always land, but I and

1183
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: I get that also from Patrise O'Neill. Whenever the uh

1184
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 3: the guy, the radio guy did the nappy headed hose

1185
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 3: comment NamUs and they tried to get Patrise O'Neill and Patrisa.

1186
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 3: O'Neill was like, I always defend the attempt. Now what

1187
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 3: happens after you? After you happened, So that's me. I

1188
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 3: defend the attempt. The most brilliant minds that I've ever

1189
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 3: known were in common and those people defended it and

1190
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 3: I and if I defend, like, I've really got to

1191
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 3: defend my art for him because me, I talk about everybody.

1192
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 3: This is my stance on it. Because I talk about everybody.

1193
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: If it's taboo, I'm more likely to write a joke

1194
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: about it because I'm I want the opportunity to show

1195
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 3: my skill. So the this is the rule for me.

1196
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 3: Say a joke about any group of people, it's gotta

1197
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 3: be funny to them. They should be laughing the hardest

1198
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: because they are the ones living the experience. So it

1199
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 3: should be funnier than them than it is to anybody else.

1200
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 3: If you're doing it correctly, and if they're if they

1201
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 3: are offended, if they're offended in masks, you did it wrong.

1202
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 3: You did it wrong. That It's really that simple.

1203
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: That's a that's a really good perspective to have.

1204
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly believe that if you're gonna make a

1205
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 3: joke about any group of people, that those are the

1206
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 3: people who should be laughing the hardest because they live

1207
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 3: the experience. So that's always been my thing. I don't

1208
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 3: think I'm not gonna limit myself to talk about or

1209
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 3: not talk about anything. I'm sorry, and and maybe that's

1210
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: with being a black man. I'm really not about to

1211
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: let anybody tell me what I can and can't say. Culturally,

1212
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 3: We've been through enough of people telling us what we

1213
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: can and can't do. I'll leave that for somebody else

1214
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 3: but me, And I'm gonna say whatever I want. But I'm

1215
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 3: responsible enough to understand that my job is still to

1216
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: entertain and people's emotions matter because I'm trying to evoke

1217
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 3: an emotional response, which laughter is right, it's joy. So

1218
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: if I'm going to talk about something and talk about

1219
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: a particular group of people, then the people who live

1220
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 3: that experience are the people closest to it, who also

1221
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 3: who should be laughing. The artists because they have the

1222
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: most information, right, the people who get the joke. It

1223
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 3: should be more of an inside joke for them than

1224
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 3: it is for anybody else. And we laugh harder at

1225
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: the things we relate to So how in the world

1226
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 3: do you do a joke about a group of people

1227
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 3: and alienate that whole group and then not see the

1228
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 3: joke as a problematic. Obviously it's problematic, and I just

1229
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 3: wish more comedians would own up to the miss. It's like,

1230
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: you know, defend the attempt, but when you miss, it's

1231
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 3: okay to be like it's to be like, you know, hey, guys,

1232
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep joking about y'all. I'm gonna just be

1233
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,520
Speaker 3: better at it. This was, this was awful.

1234
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: And not yet, because I don't know if I buy

1235
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,759
Speaker 2: this idea that people necessarily are more sensitive?

1236
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: Are we more aware of certain things?

1237
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: Of course I think that's true, But I have to say,

1238
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 2: like some of the funniest jokes I can remember of

1239
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: the last five years, that if I told you what

1240
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 2: the joke was, or at least the subject matter, you

1241
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: would probably think I was an awful person. But these

1242
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 2: jokes were funny as hell. And like, I heard a

1243
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: woman I can't remember her name, and I feel like

1244
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: Van Laythan posted this joke. She made an incredibly courageous, funny, nuanced,

1245
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: brave joke about sexual assault and it, let me tell you,

1246
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: I was laughing, but it was it was just very

1247
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: It was very thoughtful and intellectual. A lot of people

1248
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: complain that people in the LGBTQ plus community can't laugh,

1249
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 2: can't take a joke. Have you seen Flame Monroe? Flaming

1250
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: row is fucking hysterical.

1251
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 6: Currently, And yes, that.

1252
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 3: Are what what at pulling?

1253
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 2: No puch is hilarious, like hilarious, right, And so you're

1254
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: right some of it is there's a difference between you

1255
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 2: can't joke about and what's this funny? And I think

1256
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: people tend to say like, oh, no, no, you can't

1257
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: joke about nah, because we black people especially we definitely

1258
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: did laugh at ourselves up and down. Hey, we don't

1259
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: take shit serious. So it's just like, yeah, you can

1260
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: make us laugh, but like, nah, you can't be telling

1261
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: watermelon jokes because they's not funny anymore.

1262
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 3: I think I think you have a responsibility as a

1263
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 3: person who is making a joke about another culture to

1264
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 3: experience that culture enough to know where the band where's

1265
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,440
Speaker 3: inbounds and out of bounds. You not knowing what's inbounds

1266
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 3: and out of bounds culturally is like crazy to me.

1267
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 3: Uh So I do a lot of material about the

1268
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 3: lgbt QYA plus community. Right, But I have a brother.

1269
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 3: I grew up sharing a room with somebody in there.

1270
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 3: So if I say I have somebody I can go

1271
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 3: to and go this offensive you know what I mean?

1272
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 3: I have people, But this is the thing. It's just like,

1273
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,839
Speaker 3: But I also my jokes in that in that space

1274
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 3: work because I'm talking about my lived experience. It's easier. Yeah,

1275
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 3: it's easier, That's what I'm saying. So if you're making

1276
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 3: a joke about like, so, when Andrew made the joke

1277
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 3: about black women being hard to deal with in relationships, right,

1278
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 3: did he speak from it from a perspective of him

1279
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 3: dating black women or is he just throwing out negative

1280
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 3: stereotypes about a group of people that he actually doesn't

1281
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 3: even date. And then that is what causes the problem, right, Yeah.

1282
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: Because if he starts to joke with I was dating

1283
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: this sister and bo boom boom, there might be a

1284
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 2: little bit of a.

1285
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 3: Different people because then people would go, yeah, I got

1286
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 3: a cousin like that. So that is so, But he

1287
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 3: blanketed an entire group of people, right with a negative

1288
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 3: stereotype that we have to fight against all the time,

1289
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: Like black women have to fight against the whole they're

1290
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: too aggressive all the time, and then you know people

1291
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: want to be and then that's why you can't do

1292
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 3: the comedy of old. Yeah, black women are aggressive, what's

1293
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 3: the problem. I joke on everybody. But it's like, you

1294
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 3: know the history, Know the history of that statement, Know

1295
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: the history of that. The stereotypes, like stereotypes are funny

1296
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 3: to certain groups Black people about over the stereotypes, though,

1297
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 3: you gotta get you gotta get creative with us now, man,

1298
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 3: Like a lot of groups, you can just say they're

1299
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 3: stereotype to them, but they don't live our experience of

1300
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: being you know, quote unquote at the bottom in a

1301
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: lot of cases. Right, So whenever you're saying stereotypes about us,

1302
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 3: is not even the true stuff. It's the stuff that's

1303
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: said about us, that that people used to hold us back,

1304
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 3: And that's not funny to us. That's not funny to us,

1305
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Should have just went with

1306
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:13,879
Speaker 3: y'all can dance. We would have laughed at that all fails.

1307
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 3: Y'all are really athletic do that. But you know what

1308
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 3: I mean, Yeah.

1309
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you now, Being that you are such

1310
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: a big sports fan, and I imagine, you know, you

1311
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: get to meet and interact with athletes all the time,

1312
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: or at least some of the time. Who's the funniest

1313
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 2: athlete you think you've ever met or encountered or even

1314
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, maybe even seen for the park.

1315
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: Carol Owens is hilarious. Oh my god, something wrong with him, man,

1316
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: Something's truly wrong with that dude. He's hilarious. He's hilarious.

1317
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: Dame Lillard is low key funny.

1318
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 6: Really.

1319
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so reserved that you would you wouldn't think it.

1320
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 3: But when he gets comfortable, Nah, he's really he's funny

1321
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 3: in a grumpy uncle wag. Okay, yeah, like like somebody

1322
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 3: doing something stupid. If something if you're ever around Dame

1323
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,799
Speaker 3: Willard and somebody's doing something stupid, don't even watch them.

1324
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 3: Look at him. Look at yo, look at him. You'll

1325
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,839
Speaker 3: see hilarious. Then he's hilarious. Yeah.

1326
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 2: Now do you do you find that you know people

1327
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 2: that you meet that they want to did they kind

1328
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 2: of want to go toe to toe with you?

1329
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: Like I wonder.

1330
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: I've always wondered if comedians are tested in the way

1331
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 2: that like fans that watch athletes are, Like I bet

1332
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 2: if you know we can go out to the court,

1333
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: right now, do people try to kind of test you

1334
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: a little bit to see how funny is he really?

1335
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 2: And if I could go toe to total toe with him?

1336
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: They learn about they learned, they learn about me. Yeah,

1337
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 3: I'm not a good sport. I'm not. Yeah, I told

1338
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 3: you I like hurting people's feelings. So so this is

1339
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: my thing. When because this is the thing about sports,

1340
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 3: you come to somebody and say beat you one on

1341
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: one in basketball, you're talking about my skill level or whatever.

1342
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 3: Right well, when that people when typically people say they

1343
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 3: try to test you funny, they start by insulting you

1344
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: and see if they can the dozens. They want they

1345
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 3: the dozens, or they want a clown, or they want

1346
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 3: to roast. Well, that's disrespectful to me. I don't know you, stranger.

1347
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 3: I don't. The only people who allowed to roast me

1348
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 3: are people who know me. So whenever, Yeah, so if

1349
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't, because for me, that's not that's not my

1350
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: idea of fun. I don't. I don't roast the audience.

1351
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 3: I don't do any of that. I don't. I've never

1352
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 3: thought that it was fun to point at somebody's insecure

1353
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: and laugh at them, you know, or point out these

1354
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,879
Speaker 3: shortcomings and laugh at them. You do that with family,

1355
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: you do that with friends, because you know it comes

1356
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 3: from you know what place it's coming from. You know

1357
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 3: what I mean. I love you. I love you to death.

1358
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: So let's pick at this thing that you we know,

1359
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 3: you know about each other or whatever. But you a stranger,

1360
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: I don't know you. They'd be like, look at your shoes.

1361
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 3: I'll be like, look at your life. Yeah, see how

1362
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 3: you laughing. I think that's funny. I think that's y. Yeah,

1363
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 3: they don't. They don't. They don't want to play no more.

1364
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 3: They don't ever want to play. They don't ever want

1365
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 3: to play no more. Like, hey man, I was just

1366
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 3: trying to be funny. Me too, me too, so yeah,

1367
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: but people do try. And then one thing I don't like.

1368
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 3: I used to want to those like I would try

1369
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 3: to go back and forth with people on the internet,

1370
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: but I realized people really don't like when you're really

1371
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 3: good at it. So they'll try you and and I'm

1372
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 3: like my turn, and then I'll type whatever back and

1373
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 3: then they'll go, hey man, I was just playing blood.

1374
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 3: They turn into a victim. I'm like you, I didn't

1375
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 3: even know you existed. You came to my platform to

1376
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 3: say something negative about me that you thought was funny.

1377
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 3: So when I went to your page and saw your

1378
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 3: whole family and decided the screenshot had been put it

1379
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 3: in the comments with my commentary, why why did you

1380
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 3: get to look at my life? And so whatever you

1381
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: want to But when I take it, when I tell

1382
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 3: you to look at your life, all of a sudden,

1383
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 3: if you're the wrong one, yeah, I'm all, man, I'm

1384
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 3: a bully. I'm a bully, Jamel, that's what happens. Oh

1385
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 3: my god. So I don't even entertain it no more

1386
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 3: because I realized. And then that's one of the thing

1387
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: they'll try to do. They'll try to tell you your sensitive.

1388
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 3: Whenever you go back at them, they're like, oh, a

1389
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: comedia can't take a joke? What are you talking about?

1390
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 3: I joked back? What you supposed to continue? Yeah?

1391
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1392
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 3: The people people typically cannot take what they dish out.

1393
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 3: And when they get into somebody like I'm mean, like

1394
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. Yeah, Like it took me a

1395
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 3: long time, because this is the thing. Whenever somebody says

1396
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 3: that they're mean, typically people will tie that into not

1397
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: being a good person. And I'm actually a good person.

1398
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 3: I'm actually really kind, but until i'm not so I

1399
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 3: think that's why I'm so mean, Because I'm really a

1400
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 3: kind person. I'll do anything. I'll do anything for strangers anything.

1401
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 3: I'm sort of a pushover, right, So why would you

1402
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 3: be mean to me so once? So once you do

1403
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 3: something to means like nah, because I don't want to

1404
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,520
Speaker 3: go back and forth. I want this to end.

1405
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: Death blow.

1406
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, some people will be like, you know,

1407
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 3: I thought we were going to go back and forth.

1408
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 3: We could as long as you can take it. But

1409
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 3: I'm going, yeah, you don't want to.

1410
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 2: Well with that being said, uh, to wrap things up

1411
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 2: in the podcast for what I call the messy questions.

1412
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: So let's start some controversy.

1413
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1414
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 2: Yes, so my question by messy question, knowing that you're

1415
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: like everybody is a big fan of Eddie Murphy, which

1416
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 2: movie was better Harlem Knight's or Life.

1417
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 3: H Harlem Knights.

1418
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: Harlem, I see because they both featured a lot of comedians.

1419
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: I wanted a comedians perspective. Now, why why do you

1420
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: think it was? Harlem Knights?

1421
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 3: Life is a sad movie? I think people it's so funny.

1422
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 3: That's why I get so much credit, because it's so

1423
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 3: funny that you forget how sad it was. But these

1424
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 3: guys didn't commit a crime, and they spent their whole

1425
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: life in prison watching other people die, and they didn't

1426
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 3: get out until their life was basically over.

1427
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: Well you put it that way, it is kind of depressing.

1428
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah. People are like, I love that movie,

1429
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: let's watch it again. I'm like, nah, I'm cool. It's

1430
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 3: not doing for me what it's doing for y'all. Right.

1431
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: I want the underdog to win, you know what I mean.

1432
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 3: The mob tried to, you know, bully him, and then

1433
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 3: they come out on top, you know, and plus come on, man,

1434
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 3: as funny as people were in Life, Red Fox and

1435
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 3: Oh My hallm Knights was so everybody was just on

1436
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 3: it in Harlem Knights, Man Harlem Knights. Now, don't get

1437
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 3: me wrong, Life is what. That's a great questions Like,

1438
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 3: that's the one thing I hate about people too. If

1439
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: I choose one, and then that means I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, guys, great,

1440
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: let's go to one A, one B if that makes

1441
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 3: you feel better. But it's Harlem Knight Sunshine. I got

1442
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 3: to interview her for the Eddie Murphy episode on the

1443
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 3: document series. Yeah, so yeah, that was great, but the

1444
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 3: whole I'm not telling kid kids, put mommy on the

1445
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 3: phone coming off listen, what listen? I like a leg

1446
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 3: as much as the beat guy. But mommy ain't come home,

1447
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 3: or or why you always leave? You don't leave? Just

1448
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 3: a swallow ranges, just swallowing and shut the funk up.

1449
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 3: I'm screaming. And then the birds said. I was like, Yo,

1450
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 3: what is going on? Yo? That movie is the whole

1451
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 3: fight with him and Vira. He had to he had

1452
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 3: to shoot her piggy toe staying toe to toe with him. Correct, Yo, Yo,

1453
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 3: it's everything about that movie, even from when you talking

1454
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 3: about kids give me bad luck night. Yeah, oh my god,

1455
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: daddy needs shoes and you need some teeth. That was

1456
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 3: just everything about it at every time was funny. It

1457
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 3: was funny, funny, and it wasn't as dark. Life is

1458
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 3: really dark. It's really and.

1459
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: You know what, I've always thought it was hard onw Knights,

1460
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: mostly because I felt like the people in it that

1461
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 2: weren't supposed to be funny, that aren't the comedians are

1462
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: really funny, Like you mentioned, Leila Rahan, She's Arrius and

1463
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Sunshine Richie. You know, even feel feel Cantone, you know, likesious.

1464
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody in it that's not the comedian is

1465
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: actually funny on top of the comedians, like you know,

1466
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 2: Dela Reice has been you know, she was an entertainer

1467
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 2: for decades, but nobody saw Dela Reice doing that kind

1468
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: of bringing that kind of edge and funniness to that

1469
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 2: kind of movie. So I tend to always say that

1470
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 2: it's it's Harlem Knight's over life.

1471
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it gets it gets funnier as you get older.

1472
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: And when I became a man, I understood why he

1473
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 3: said he wasn't coming home. I didn't get that as

1474
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 3: when I was younger. I was like, oh oh yeah,

1475
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 3: so you do throw it in the air turns of

1476
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 3: the sunshine. They was like, and I understand why guys

1477
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 3: that I don't want to meet her. I don't want.

1478
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 9: Things would come funnier, you get so, no, Harlem Nights

1479
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 9: continues become new for me right in a way life doesn't,

1480
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 9: you know, So yeah, I'll go harm Nights.

1481
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well, you know you settled some of

1482
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: the debates, and I can't wait till people attack you

1483
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: for it anyway, that'll be fun.

1484
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: But Ryan, listen, I.

1485
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: Wanted to thank you for spending this time with me.

1486
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 2: I know you're really busy. Most importantly, to the people

1487
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 2: who are listening, please make sure that you check out

1488
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 2: his docuseries, hosted alongside Tiffany Hattish also Chris Spencer, looking

1489
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 2: At and Examining How Black Comedy Shaped America. Black Comedy

1490
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: in America is the name of the docuseries. It's on Vice,

1491
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 2: so make sure that you check it out. It's a

1492
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: great watch. A lot of the most not just famous,

1493
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,440
Speaker 2: but a lot of the most influential, impactful, brilliant comedians

1494
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: in black comedy are all featured, and you find out

1495
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: so much about their backstories, about the nuances of what

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Speaker 2: they do, even you know, like I didn't even think

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Speaker 2: about in the Kevin Heart so I didn't even think

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Speaker 2: about the connection with Robin think like I had totally

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Speaker 2: forgot that he had done that impression of him and

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Speaker 2: that's kind of what led to him being on Real

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Speaker 2: Housewive are Real House Husbands of Hollywood, So you get

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01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 2: to learn all these great things about some of the

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01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 2: best to ever do it. And Ryan is very much

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01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 2: a part of that making your own stamp, your own

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01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 2: legacy in this comedy game. So good luck to you, Ryan,

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01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: thank you, and everybody. Make sure you check him out

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01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 2: on Instagram, follow his career, go see a stand up

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01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 2: and just give him some support and love.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, y'all know what time it is? Time

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Speaker 2: for an audience question. This question comes from Mike Patton,

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Speaker 2: a Loyals Politics fan, because he always drops a word

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01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 2: every week about the podcast on social media. So shout

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01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: out to you, Mike, and thank you. I really do

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01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: appreciate the support.

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Speaker 1: Here's Mike's question.

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Speaker 2: With Donald Trump returning to the White House, how do

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01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 2: you feel that will affect Team Dynamics when it comes

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01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: to visiting the White House after winning titles. Now, if

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01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 2: you all recall I said this on this podcast when

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01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: Trump first got elected.

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01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: It was right after election day.

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 2: I said that supporting Trump will become much more normalized

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Speaker 2: than it was when he won office previously. Now, when

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01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 2: he ran against Hillary Clinton, he didn't win the popular vote.

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Speaker 2: This time, he won the electoral College and the popular vote.

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Speaker 2: So the new narrative being spun is that re electing

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01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 2: Trump is some kind of mandate.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know how it's a mandate.

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01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: When Trump won the popular vote by the lowest margin

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01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,679
Speaker 2: since Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty eight, and he did

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01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 2: not get fifty percent of the vote.

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Speaker 1: He got forty nine percent.

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Speaker 2: And I need to remind you the majority of people

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Speaker 2: in this country didn't vote at all.

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Speaker 1: But all of this glorious ring kissing.

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Speaker 2: From the entertainment world, it was up Snooper, Rick Ross

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Speaker 2: and definitely among the billionaire class. All of that is

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01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,839
Speaker 2: setting the tone to normalize a convicted felon being the president.

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Speaker 2: Now I expect this will almost certainly extend to sports.

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01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 2: You will see many more teams take Trump up on

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01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 2: his invitations to the White House. But I think the

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01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 2: way it works with him is you have to let

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01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 2: it be known you will come if invited, Otherwise he

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01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: ain't inviting you. Now, there are going to be some

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01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: teams and players who do stand on business. When it

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01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 2: comes to the NBA, I'd still be somewhat surprised if

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01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: a team win, but I guess maybe that depends on

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01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: who wins. Lebron definitely ain't going, and neither of Steph Curry.

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately I don't think those guys have to worry

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Speaker 2: about NBA titles this year.

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Speaker 1: Now, a WNBA team probably ain't going.

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01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: The football teams, however at the pro or college level

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01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 2: definitely would. But as I've always thought, whether or not

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01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 2: an athlete goes should be up to that person. There

1556
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: were players who didn't go when Obama was president's players

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01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: who didn't go when Biden was president. It's fine, but

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01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 2: for me, the issue is normalizing Trump. What we have

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01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 2: going on in the White House should never be normalized.

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Speaker 2: So thank you Mike again for your question and for

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01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 2: your support. As for the rest of you, if you

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01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 2: would like to ask me a question, I'm at Jamail

1563
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 2: Hill across all social media platforms Twitter, Instagram, Blue Sky,

1564
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 2: and threads, please use the hashtags politics. You also have

1565
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: the option of emailing me at Spolotics twenty twenty.

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01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,759
Speaker 1: Four at gmail dot com.

1567
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 2: You can also send me a video of your question,

1568
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: but please make sure it's thirty seconds or less. Don't

1569
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 2: forget to follow and subscribe to Politics on iHeart and

1570
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:20,040
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Speaker 2: s po l I TCS. A new episode of Spolitics

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01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 2: drops every Thursday on iHeart podcast or wherever you get

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Speaker 2: your podcasts. This is politics where sports and politics don't just.

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Speaker 1: Mix, they matter.

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Speaker 2: Spolitics is the production of iHeart Podcasts and the Unbothered Network.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Jamel Hill. Executive producer is Taylor Shakog.

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Speaker 2: Lucas Hymen is Head of Audio and executive producer. Megan

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Speaker 2: Armstrong is associate producer. Original music for Spolitics provided by

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Speaker 2: Kyle VISs from wiz FX.