1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Mink here with Garrett Downing and we are 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: coming off the bye week. 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Did you have a RESTful weekend? Garrett A little bit. 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 3: Uh. It was good to take a deep breath and 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 3: kind of reassess things and also just have some good 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: family time. So it was nice, a little vac a 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 3: little vacation, got away for a few days. It was great. 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: I planned grass for two days. That was That's delightful. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: That's that's basically the bye week in your forties exactly. 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: And and I cleaned up a basement bedroom. 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Oh, it was really fun weekend, really fun. 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: You're a god for you wanted the buy weekend to 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: be over? 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm thankful to be back at work, and I'm sure 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: so are the Ravens happy to be back at it 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: and Garrett. I think it was a chance for us 20 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: to not only reassess where the Ravens were, which we 21 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: did in our last episode, but also where they stand 22 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: in relation to the rest of the league. And you 23 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: take some learnings away from watching other teams play. So 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna do today. What we learned during 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: the Ravens bye week, and Garrett, what was the biggest 26 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: thing that stood out to you? 27 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: Well, just at a big picture level, and we're gonna 28 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 3: dive into some of the specifics here. I came away 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: feeling both better and worse about where the Ravens stand. 30 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: I felt better because I look around the league and 31 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: I feel like this thing is still very winnable for 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: the Ravens. Like they took the They played the Rams 33 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: last week in a really tight game before things kind 34 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: of moved got away from them in the second half. 35 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: But it was a game that a lot of in 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: a lot of ways, the Ravens feel like they could 37 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: have won, should have won that game, and that was 38 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: with a significantly hindered roster, without your starting quarterback. So 39 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: that was what they did a week ago against the Rams. 40 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: The Rams go over to London after spending an entire 41 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: week in Baltimore, and they blowed the doors off the Jaguars. 42 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: They looked like the best team in football based on 43 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: how they're just it looked great, and so you're like, Okay, 44 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: so a week ago, the Ravens were right there without 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: the starting quarterback. So it's like, I feel better about that. 46 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 3: I feel worse because I look at it and I'm like, Okay, 47 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: a lot of these teams that we thought maybe you 48 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: could when you're doing the win lost game on the 49 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: schedule and you're looking at that, you don't feel so 50 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 3: great about that anymore. And everyone is kind of right 51 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: in that completing for a playoff spot in the AFC. 52 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: There's so many there's so many teams that are in 53 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: that mix that are good teams. And if you look 54 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: through this, like it's not gonna be a cakewalk. It is. 55 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 3: I know a lot of Ravens fans have been talking 56 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: about like to get to the buy and then afterwards 57 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 3: you can rattle off a bunch of wins. Those wins 58 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: aren't gonna come easy. They don't just you don't wave 59 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: a magic wand and they happen, right, And so like 60 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: that's that's the thing for me. I'm like, in some 61 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: ways I feel better. This thing is still right in 62 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: front of them. The Steelers loss, of course, in the Bengals, 63 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about that, but like it's not gonna 64 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: be an easy row to make that happen. 65 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 2: That's my takeaway is that everybody's been saying, well, the 66 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: Ravens schedule gets easier after the buye, which that's correct. 67 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: You know that. 68 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: I mean it's been kind of murder's row here at 69 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: the start of the year. But how much easier, not 70 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: that much easier, you. 71 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Look at it. 72 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: And coming out of the by, everybody's saying, well, you 73 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: have to beat have to beat the Bears at home. 74 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: Out of the by, Lamar Jackson is expected to return, 75 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: gotta beat the Bears. Well, the Bears have won four 76 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: straight games, and they are they are a hot team 77 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: right now. Okay, well, you have another one against the Browns. 78 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: You already beat them. You know, that's where the Ravens 79 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: one win has come so far. They just blew out 80 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins. Okay, well you got you have the 81 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: Bengals twice. They're without Joe Burrow. Well step here comes 82 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: Joe cool Flacco and he's reignited them and offensively. All right, well, 83 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: you got the Steelers, you got the Steelers. Well it's 84 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: the Steelers twice. They're still in first places. You know, 85 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: they just lost, but they're still in first place and 86 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: they're still the Steelers. Yeah, we know how that goes 87 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: between the Ravens and Steelers. Patriots. Oh, Patriots late in 88 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: the season at your place, gotta beat the Patriots, right, Well, 89 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: they're in first place. They've also won four straight games exactly, 90 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: Packers first place. 91 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 3: So, like, do the Ravens just we were saying the 92 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: first half of the schedule was hard. Do the Races 93 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: just have a hard schedule throughout the entire years? Yes, 94 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: feels it's the way it looks. Yes, it's just a 95 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: really tough. 96 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: Win first place of the year prior when you're defending 97 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: division champions to get the tougher schedule. 98 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 99 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: And and that's really saying something considering that the AFC 100 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: North in some ways is down from what we've seen 101 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: it in past years, where like there's been years where 102 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: you're like, there's been three teams in the AFC North 103 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: that have made the playoffs. Yep, and it's not as strong. 104 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: But it's also I think gonna be a division where 105 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 3: everyone beats up on each other and it's gonna be 106 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: a battle. 107 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: Well, the Ravens can have that happen. 108 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, the Ravens have to basically, if not actually 109 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: run the table in the AFC North. 110 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ra They're going to win the division. 111 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: Everyone else to beat up on each other and then 112 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: the Ravens just run through the rest of the division. 113 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: That's the big boss at the end. 114 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: That's how it needs to go for this team. So 115 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: we are going to run through some of the things 116 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: that we learn from from from bye week. And uh, 117 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: as you were cleaning out your basement and planting, there 118 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: was a lot of football being played. I'm sure you 119 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: probably were able to tune into that game Thursday night 120 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: between the between the Steelers and the Bengals, and that's 121 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: where I start. I mean, Flackomania hit Cincinnati. He gets 122 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: traded from Cleveland to Cincinnati. In a second game, monster 123 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: performance one for the Ages kind of for him, over 124 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: three hundred passing yards, three touchdowns, late game comeback's He's 125 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: made his way around the AFC. North Cleveland had had 126 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: a kind of a love affair with Joe for a 127 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: little while, and now that's hit Cincinnati and like he 128 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: has reignited that team and they're looking at it, and 129 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: like the Bengals are. It felt for a while there 130 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: like they were just kind of playing out the season 131 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: without With the injury to Joe Burrow, he's done for 132 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: the majority of the season. 133 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: If not all, of it. 134 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: They just kind of play out the string here, and 135 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: that's going to be it on this season, not anymore, 136 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: not with the way the flack of that offense looked, 137 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: and they're gonna be able to put up points. And 138 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: that has basically created another challenge for the Evens in 139 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: this division. 140 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought Flacco in his first game with them, 141 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: they didn't win, that was against the Packers, but they 142 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: played reasonably well in that game. It was a solid 143 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: performance for them offensively. And so I think that the Bengals, 144 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: you can't take him lately anymore. For sure, that offensive 145 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: tailor made for him. He has t Higgins and Jamar 146 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: Chase out there. It's quick, get the ball out of 147 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: his hands. He neutralized Pittsburgh's pass rush. Get the ball 148 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: out and let those playmakers make place. And Joe can 149 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: still sling the ball, he can still throw it. He 150 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: can put it, you know, accurately. He can put it. 151 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: Throw some dimes out there. So yeah, Joe, his arm 152 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: is crazy. 153 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: His arm has not dropped off a touch. 154 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: He's gonna be when he's sixty. It's insanely. 155 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: When I watched that game on Thursday, you look at 156 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: those highlights, you're like he hasn't lost anything on on 157 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: his on the on the deep ball, on anything. His 158 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: arm is just as good as it was when he 159 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: came into the league. 160 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Aaron Rodgers is in the same boat. I know, 161 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: he's still throwing dimes. 162 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, and those two guys proved agent quarterback is is 163 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: just a number. 164 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: And I mean even crazy legs. Joe he got out 165 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: ran a little. 166 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: Bit for a big first, I know, and it was 167 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: just stepping aside. It was cool to see Joe have 168 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: that moment, right, And there's been a lot of people 169 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: that wonder why is Joe still playing? Man, Just it's 170 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: just you're it's done, you know, go and be a 171 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 2: family man and enjoy the kids. 172 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: And hey, I think his kids are old enough. 173 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: Now we're playing and having your kids watch you and 174 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: criticize you and jeer for you. 175 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: It's just fun. It's just awesome. 176 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: And and then it's for nights like he had Thursday. 177 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you're coming off the field and everybody, the 178 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: home crowd is just chanting for you, and and you're 179 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: getting a heroes welcome there in Cincinnati. 180 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: That's that's why you keep playing. 181 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: And so I'm happy for Joe personally, but I don't 182 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: like that he's ringgnited him. I kind of feel like 183 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin in the week leading up to the game, 184 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: he's criticizing the Browns general manager Aaron Andrew Berry for 185 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: why the heck would you trade this guy to a 186 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: division rival during the season when they're struggling at quarterback? 187 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Why would you just gif wrap them this quarterback that's 188 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: a perfect fit for their offense and a guy who's 189 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: won a lot. 190 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Of games in this league. 191 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: And we saw why right exactly, And Joe was when 192 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: you think of his career, especially in Baltimore, some of 193 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: his best moments came against Pittsburgh, and so it was 194 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: pretty fitting for Tomin to say that leading into the game, 195 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: and then Joe to deliver in the way that he did, 196 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: and like, look, I was like, I wanted the Steelers 197 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: to lose. The Ravens need them to come back in 198 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 3: the vision to try to catch them. 199 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: The Ravens are now three games behind the Steelers in 200 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: the division race. 201 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: So this is more than just like a little Joe 202 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: Flako nostalgia. You wanted to see that, but in the 203 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: midst of that, now, all of a sudden, you look 204 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: at it, and you're like, okay, okay, the Bengals are 205 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: three and four. Let's look at their schedule. Home versus Jets, 206 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: home versus the Bears at Pittsburgh, home versus New England. 207 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: Then they go into this raven stretch and it goes Ravens, 208 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: Bill's Ravens. That's where the season is going to be 209 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: decided for the Ravens and the Bengals. Who's going to 210 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 3: come out on top. And they play each other in 211 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: two out of three weeks and then and then the 212 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 3: Bengals have Buffalo in the mix there and then they 213 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: go at Miami. But you look at that stretch. 214 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: There are the Bengals. They're in it. 215 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: Oh, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, if they if 216 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 3: they could go four and three in that stretch. Now 217 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: you're sitting there and you're five hundred at that point, 218 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: could that be? Could they do that? Could could Joe 219 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: basically play around five hundred football? And then Joe Burrow 220 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: comes back into the mix late in the season, of 221 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: course his injury will see, but like they are very 222 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: much alive and that has added another element to this 223 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: AFC North race. 224 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 225 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 2: I think that It is not going to be by 226 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination of cakewalk for the Ravens 227 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: to come storming back and have this storybook comeback. Is 228 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: it possible, Absolutely, But the Ravens, what I think it 229 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: taught us is they need to continue to get better. 230 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: They just can't come back. 231 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 2: And you get Lamar and you're like, all right, we 232 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: got Lamar and you know we have rokuon back and 233 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: some of these defensive pieces like we're gonna we're gonna 234 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: win nine straight or seven to nine or whatever. You 235 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: gotta get better because those games are gonna be tough 236 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: and and we as we well know in the division. 237 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: Look with Lamar Jacks under center, the Ravens have had 238 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: a very strong history against the Bengals. But like those 239 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: are often shootouts and could they be once again. I hope, 240 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: not hope the Ravens just run away with it, but 241 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't doesn't look like that's probably gonna happen right now. 242 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, the flip side of that game, and this was 243 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: one of the other things that I was a takeaway 244 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: from me on by weekend is it was further confirmation 245 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: like the Steelers are beatable, They're leading the way in 246 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: the division. But we all felt like, man, they've won 247 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: some close games. They beat the Jets on Week one 248 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: in a game that it felt like they had no 249 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 3: business winning, and you're like, this is what the Steelers do. 250 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: This is kind of classic, and it was a little 251 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: it was surprising to see the defense get gashed the 252 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: way that it did through the air with Joe and 253 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 3: to give up that kind of production to the Bengals offense. 254 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: And so they're beatable, Like they are a team that like, yes, 255 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers I think has proven that he still has 256 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: gas left in the tank, but they are not a 257 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: team that you look at and you say, there's no 258 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 3: way we can catch them in this division like that. 259 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: It's from a standing standpoint and from just a watching 260 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: the games play standpoint, they're catchable. But what you just 261 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: said is also true. You need to get better if 262 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: you're going to do that. 263 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 264 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think we all knew the Steelers were beatable 265 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: before then, but they needed to get beat you know, 266 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: they've been Yeah, they've been so exactly. They've been so 267 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: good in these close games that it was good to 268 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: see them lose one of those. And I feel like, 269 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: certainly in Pittsburgh. Whenever they lose a game like that, there's. 270 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: A lot of questions and a lot of frustration. 271 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: And Kim Hayward, I know, expressed a lot of frustration 272 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: about defensively, and there's been Early in the season there 273 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: were a lot of question marks about them defensively. They 274 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: were not playing good ball on that side of the ball, 275 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: and then they kind of shored things up. The pass 276 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: rush got going, they started creating a lot of turnovers. 277 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: But if you don't turn the ball over against the Steelers, 278 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: which the Bengals played and Joe played a clean game, 279 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: if you don't turn it over and you don't get 280 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: sacked a ton of times, if you can neutralize their 281 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: pass rush to a degree, I think that you have 282 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: a chance to really beat up on that defense. 283 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. The other takeaway for me is 284 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: I just think it's further cemented in my mind that 285 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 3: if the Ravens are going to get to the playoffs, 286 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 3: winning the AFC North is the path because as we 287 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: just spent all this time talking about the Bengals and 288 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: the Steelers, I think the division is winnable. And then 289 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: you look around the conference, these are the teams that 290 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: are over five hundred right now. There's seven teams that 291 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: get in Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs out in the West, Colts 292 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: and the Jaguars in the South, the Steelers at four 293 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: and two leading the AFC North, and then in the 294 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: AFCs you got the Patriots and the Bills. Patriots leading 295 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: the way five and two, Bills four and two. That's 296 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: eight teams. Seven of them are going to make the playoffs. 297 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: And we haven't even mentioned who's not in that mix, 298 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: of course, as the Ravens, the Bengals that we just 299 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: talked about, Like, those are teams that are not on 300 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: that list. 301 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: And I wish, I wish the Giants had held on 302 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: and beaten the Broncos. 303 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Broncos are five and two. Would have been nice. 304 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, they came storming back at the final minute of that. 305 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: Game, thirty three points in the fourth quarter as ridiculous. 306 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: Comeback exactly, and so that would have been nice. The 307 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: Broncos would have then also been four and three. You 308 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: would have had three teams at four and three at. 309 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: The AFC West. 310 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: Look, the Chiefs just absolutely stomped the Raiders, and they're 311 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: often they're back. Yeah, I mean, I think the Chiefs 312 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: are going to probably win that division the way it looks, 313 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: or she Rice came back for them two touchdowns exactly. 314 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: So I think the Chiefs are playing pretty darn good 315 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: ball right now, Ken Will the Broncos and Broncos are 316 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: five and two. Are the Broncos en Chargers both going 317 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: to make the playoffs? They're looking they're in good position 318 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: right now. And then you look at the AFC South. 319 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: The Colts are six and one. They have the best 320 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: record in the conference right now. I think the question 321 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: is are the Are the Jags for real? They just 322 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: got blown out by the Rams. They're four and three, 323 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: but they're in the they're in the hunt, the playoff 324 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: hunt for a wild card spot. 325 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: And then the Patriots are five and two in first 326 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: place ahead of the Bills. 327 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: So if you're taking two teams out of the AFC East, 328 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: I'd have a hard time being convinced that the Bills 329 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: aren't going to make the playoffs and the Patriots are 330 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: in good a good spot right now. If two teams 331 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: come out of there and three teams come out of 332 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: the West, that's all your spots, right, wild card spots 333 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: taking up, and that's keeping That means the Jags are 334 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: out and No A and the AFC North only has 335 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: one team in the division champions. 336 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: So I agree with you. 337 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: I think the Ravens easiest path right now and a 338 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: lot of things can change, you know, but the Ravens' 339 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: best path is to win the division. 340 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I don't think that these teams are 341 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: going to go quietly and going back to like your 342 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: point from earlier, like the Patriots game late in the season. 343 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: You look at that one early on when the schedule 344 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: comes out and you're like, okay, just that's that's a win. 345 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: And the Patriots many they Drake may has taken a 346 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: big step in year two. A team has been remade 347 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: with Mike Rabel as a head coach and totally changed 348 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: the energy around that team. And he's proving I mean, 349 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: he was a great coach all those years in Tennessee 350 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: and has just carried that into what he's doing in 351 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: New England. And like that is that is going to 352 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: be an incredibly difficult game late in the year. 353 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: The Texans are two and three, are they out of it? 354 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. 355 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: It's like he beat the Ravens. They have a tiebreaker 356 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: over the Ravens right now. 357 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: I just rattled off the teams that have winning records. 358 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: I didn't even get into like, could the Texans make 359 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: a push. 360 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: Of one of the best defenses in the league, right 361 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: and and the tiebreaker win right now over the Ravens. Yeah, 362 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: and so so you can't rule them out either. Yeah, 363 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be a photo finish for the Ravens 364 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: absolutely because at one in five and in last place 365 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: in the AFC North and one of five teams that 366 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: doesn't have multiple wins yet, you have next to no 367 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: marchin for air. And if you don't beat the Chicago 368 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: Bears on Sunday, then you really have basically no marching 369 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: for air. 370 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: Then you have to run the division, have to. 371 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: Run the division, and then basically the rest of the 372 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: schedules as well, exactly like running the division is a 373 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: starting point, but then you also have to win all 374 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 3: your other games in order to make it at that 375 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: at that point. 376 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's and they're saying it's a must win game. Basically, 377 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: pundits are saying it's a must win game against the 378 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. 379 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that right now? 380 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: I think when you're at this point, it feels like 381 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: every game right now is a must win for the Ravens. 382 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: It just feels that way when you're sitting at one 383 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: to five. You're in a big hole early in the season, 384 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: and if you want to catch like, I know the 385 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: CEOs are coming off a loss, but they're four and two, 386 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: like you don't. You're running out of time in order 387 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: to catch the teams in front of you. And so yeah, like, 388 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: is it literally a must win game? It's not literally 389 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: a must win game because you probably could lose it 390 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: and then win all of your other games that still 391 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: make the playoffs. 392 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: Right, I think the way that I've because during the 393 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 2: bye you have more time to talk to folks and 394 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: they say, man, how are you doing. 395 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: You're hanging in there. 396 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: I know it's been a tough season for the Ravens, 397 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, yeah, A, yes, it's been tough. 398 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: B We're gonna be better after the BUYE Ravens. The 399 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: Ravens are definitely gonna be better. The question is how 400 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: hot can you get? Because they're gonna win more games, 401 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: They're gonna turn this thing around to a degree. But 402 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: how much have you have you dug too deep a 403 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: hole where you're better, but you can't quite get there. 404 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the question. 405 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: How good can the Ravens get? How hot can they get? 406 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: They have the pieces, and especially if Lamar Jackson's back 407 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: on the field, that's the biggest piece, the best player 408 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: in the league. So yeah, I think they can definitely 409 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: get very hot. 410 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 1: But you gotta do it. 411 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: You know, we can sit here and talk about it 412 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: and say it and all that stuff, but you have 413 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: one win in your back pocket, you gotta do it. 414 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, just one more final thought in terms of what 415 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: I learned from from the bye week, and we've talked 416 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: about this, but like speaking specifically about the Bears, and 417 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: again everyone has been like you talk, you talk to 418 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: friends and family and fans, and everyone's just like, all right, 419 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: obviously they're gonna win that game against the Bears coming 420 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 3: out of the bye and it's like, again, the Bears 421 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 3: are four and two right now. They have a new 422 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: head coach in this year and Ben Johnson. I don't 423 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: know if if the case, Ravens Haans haven't been paying 424 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: too much close of attention to what's happening with the 425 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: Bears in the NFC, But they start out the season 426 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 3: they lose their first two games, then they rattle off 427 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: four straight wins. Ben Johnson has kind of turned things 428 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,239 Speaker 3: around there and adding an even another level to the 429 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: conversation with him is like, this is an elite offensive 430 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: game planner and play caller that's gonna put a lot 431 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 3: of stress on this Ravens defense. 432 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: The second year quarterback who was the number one overall pick, 433 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: right right, I. 434 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: Mean Kayler Williams seems to have taken a jump from 435 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: year one to year two. But I'm just talking like 436 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: with Ben Johnson and his ability to scheme up offense 437 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: and to call game. He's a great play caller in game. 438 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: I think that's going to put a lot of challenge, 439 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: be a big challenge for this Ravens defense. 440 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: Well, the Ravens have had an extra week. 441 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: It's a game plan for the Chicago Bears, and they 442 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: got to watch them again on Sunday. So I like 443 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens coming out of a bye two and their 444 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: ability to game plan and change schematically. And you know, 445 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: if they are going to make some changes on either 446 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: side of the ball, this was a good chance to 447 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 2: do that early in the season. 448 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: So let's take a break. 449 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to talk about how 450 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: we can see the Ravens improving following the buye. 451 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: You're listening to the Lounge podcast, where you're coming to 452 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 3: you from the Sea Geek studio. We also want to 453 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: mention our partners at Draft Kings Sportsbook. 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Now, as we look at the second 470 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 3: half of the season here for the Ravens coming out 471 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: of the buy, a question is like what's going to 472 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: change and what could the Ravens do to get better? 473 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: And part of that is adjusting personnel and scheme, and 474 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: I think the coaches have been working harder that over 475 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: the course of the week to sell scout what can 476 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: we change, what tweaks can we make? Another part could 477 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 3: be adding new pieces to the mix. And there have 478 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: been report was that Ravens GM Eric Tacosta has been 479 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: calling around teams looking for defensive help. That was a 480 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: report from Ian rap report. Uh so, what did you 481 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 3: make of that report and and what are your thoughts 482 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: on potentially bringing in another defensive piece of this team. 483 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me at all. 484 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: We know how active Eric to Costa is at all times, 485 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: and particularly around the trade deadline, even if when the 486 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: Ravens haven't gotten a deal done, which pretty sure they've 487 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: gotten a deal done at the deadline each of the 488 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: past several years. 489 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: Like varying degrees of white Court, they ad they added 490 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson last year too. Obviously that didn't work out, 491 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: but they did add two players at the deadline last year. 492 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: There are reports of Kaleis Campbell that the Ravens were 493 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: in on him, but Mike McDaniel on the Miami Dolphins 494 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: UH squashed that. The year prior, there are reports about 495 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: Derrick Henry and then that got squashed by Titans ownership. 496 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: Eric to Gossa ended up getting them anyway in free agency, 497 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 2: But you know, Eric Tacosta is gonna take some swings. 498 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: Obviously. 499 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: You go back to the Marcus Peters trade, Smith, Rokwan Smith, Thenkway. 500 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: He has a track record of being active and so 501 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: I expect him to do that again. Fans have asked me, 502 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: do you think the Ravens are buyers are sellers? I 503 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: think as of right now, there's still very much buyers 504 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: this this front office, this coaching staff. They are not 505 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: ready to throw in the towel by any stretch of 506 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: the imagination on this season. And so I think as 507 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: of right now, the Ravens obviously need some help it 508 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: outside linebacker. After Tavius Robinson suffered a broken foot that's 509 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: going to keep him out for six to eight weeks. 510 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: John Harwall said, so could they make an addition at 511 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: outside linebacker. That or defensive line would be the two 512 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: spots that would make the most sense. I don't necessarily 513 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: expect the Ravens to trade a lot of future draft 514 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: capital to make a big splash move, but I think 515 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 2: there's a modest deal. If I were you know, what 516 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: I would expect is that a modest deal would get done. 517 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: You look at Tredevius White last year, and this was 518 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: a player who form a high profile player who just 519 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: wasn't playing for the Rams, and the Ravens bring him 520 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: in and he ends up playing a really key role 521 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: for this team down the stretch and is on the 522 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 3: field a lot in that Buffalo game in the playoffs, Like, 523 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: could they find somebody in that I don't know who 524 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: that is, but could they find somebody who's in that camp? 525 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: And the Ravens just gave up a late round pick 526 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: to get him. So I think that the opportunity could 527 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 3: be there these next two games. So, like when you 528 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: look at trades, typically trades seem to happen on like 529 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: Mondays and Tuesdays in the NFL because that's where teams 530 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: have already if they've closed the book on the games 531 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: on Sunday Wednesday, he kind of turned the page of 532 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: the game coming up. So a lot of those trades 533 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: happened like early in the week, and so that would 534 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: be today tomorrow. We're recording this Monday morning. You check 535 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 3: your phone, Yeah, see no updates yet, No updates yet. 536 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: And then the other thing is next week the Ravens 537 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: are on a short week. They're playing Miami on Thursday night, 538 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: and so I don't know if. 539 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: That would prealy very tight turnaround to get somebody in 540 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: here and. 541 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: Probably make it. Wait, if you make it, you can 542 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: still make a move, but maybe they don't play in 543 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: that game if you were to make a move. But 544 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 3: I think these like the next day or two, these 545 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: the next ten days for this team are obviously are 546 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 3: are significant for the season, but they're also significant in 547 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 3: determining like if you're gonna make one of those moves. 548 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: The trade deadline happens after the game against Miami, before 549 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: the Ravens come back and play another games. So that's 550 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: where like, if the trade deadline is coming up, we're 551 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 3: on the horizon. But they can make moves before these 552 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: two games. They also could wait and play it out 553 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: and see how they do in these two games and 554 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 3: then make a decision well before you come back after that. 555 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: If the report is that Eric Tokas is already kicking 556 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: the tires, yeah, I'm thinking it's he's not gonna wait 557 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: for after the next two games. Plus, you need the 558 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: you as we just got done saying you have to 559 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: win against the Bears and the Dolphins the next So 560 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: if you feel like you need help, get the help 561 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: now to help you win those games. 562 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, that's to me, it's the next forty 563 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: eight hours. 564 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that could happen. That could happen if there's a 565 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 3: move that happens before the Ravens play the Bears. But 566 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 3: I do think that they're I'm not ruling anything out. 567 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 3: I'm not like, I just have learned in terms of 568 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: watching the Ravens and how aver Zacosta operates on the 569 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: trade front. Like I'm just I just don't rule things 570 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: out because he's active and he's always in the market. 571 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: But we've also seen where it seems like, oh there's 572 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: a lot of smoke here, there's gonna be a move here. 573 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 3: It takes two teams to tango. There's a lot of 574 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: layers whenever you're pulling off a trade ownership, like all 575 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 3: sorts of stuff that's happened for the Ravens. Like you 576 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: go back to last year, the reports are the deal 577 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: was done with Khalays Campbell, and then as you mentioned, 578 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel's like, now we got to he's a culture guy. 579 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 3: This is done. We're not trading him. And so, like 580 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 3: you can basically get to a point where you feel 581 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: like a deal is done and then the rug can 582 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: get pulled out from under you, because there's a lot 583 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: of complexities when you're trying to trade for players in season. 584 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: So, as we mentioned, Eric Acosta with Derrick Henry ultimately 585 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: got it done. 586 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Right in free agency and in pre agency. 587 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: Is there any way that Eric Acosta goes back to 588 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: the Klais Campbell trade a year later Klais Campbell, who 589 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: has three sacks right now you need pass rush help 590 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 2: and you need defensive line help. Yeah, maybe you get 591 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: a two for one with Kalais Campbell and the Arizona 592 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: Cardinals are sitting at two and five last place. 593 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. I haven't heard anything along those lines. 594 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: But Eric does have a history of if he knows 595 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: who he wants, he'll keep going. 596 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course Khlais Campbell very well respected in 597 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: this building for the time. 598 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: Another another leader in the locker room, guy who can 599 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: maybe help change the spirits and help uplift everybody. 600 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows? Like, I don't know who it's going 601 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 3: to be, but I think that certainly the Ravens are 602 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: doing their homework to try to make a decision on 603 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: that front. 604 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And they're also doing their homework from a schematic 605 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: standpoint and how they need to improve, you know, the 606 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: offense schematically, the run game it got going against the Rams, 607 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: how do you continue that momentum? 608 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: Uh? 609 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: And then obviously defensively, I think they're on the right 610 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: path getting the Lowe Gilman in here, and how the 611 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: changes that that helped facilitate, how do you build upon that? 612 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually feel good about the defense right now, 613 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: coming off of what they did against the Rams. Again 614 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: talented team. 615 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: Watch as Rams put up thirty five points right like Like, 616 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: I think that there were some defensively. 617 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: Made The Ravens coaches talked last week about how there's 618 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: a building block. That game kind of had a building 619 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: block element to it, and I believe that I think 620 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: the a Looie Gilmy addition, clearly has changed things in 621 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: this secondary. I also think that, like I'm curious to 622 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: see if the Ravens have Nate Wiggans travel more and 623 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 3: could he be a shut down corner? Like could he 624 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 3: be the Ravens felt like coming into the season, Nate 625 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 3: Wiggins has shut down corner potential and he's shown flashes 626 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 3: of that. He traveled with DeVante Adams. I mean, by 627 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: the way, I like the fact Devanta Adams yesterday three touchdowns, 628 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: still an elite player, but when he was gone up 629 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 3: against Wigans, think the four catches for thirty nine yards, 630 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 3: So he has that type of ability. Is that something 631 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 3: that the Ravens do more of to try to help 632 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 3: his defense play at high level? I think that those 633 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: are all things. 634 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: On the time wide receivers coming up with Jamar Chase 635 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: T Higgins twice with the Bengals and then DK Metcalf 636 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: with the Steelers, so be interesting. 637 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I feel good about this defense. And then 638 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: on the offensive side, as you've said a million times, 639 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: you get Lamar Jackson back. That's going to be the 640 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: thing this week. The Ravens have indicated and the feeling 641 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 3: and there have been reports that Lamar Jackson is going 642 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: to play this week, but of course you've got to 643 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: get out there and practice and see how he feels 644 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: and is he one hundred percent like all that stuff, 645 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: and so that is definitely going to be the biggest 646 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: storyline to monitor and watch over the course of this week. 647 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: If the Ravens beat the Bears Sunday at Mt. Banks Stadium, 648 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: it will be I think striking if they perform, if 649 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: they play really well up to their ability and win 650 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: that game. I do think that thanks to turn Quick, 651 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: things can turn quick. Hear you snapped the fingers and like, 652 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: everybody's feeling good again. We got Lamar back all these 653 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: things and you can get on a roll. As we said, 654 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: it's not going to be easy, but hey, let's start 655 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: the role Sunday at MPTY vac scene. 656 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. We will be back with you 657 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: again later this week.