WEBVTT - 100 Words: A Conversation with Andrew Cannon (Santa Cruz Skateboards/Worship) 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.560 Have you ever thought about how incredibly complex I spit is. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:11.280 It may only be water, but just aliva isn't simple. 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.400 That remaining one percent holds incredibly meaningful information that could 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.680 change everything. And I'm not just talking about your family treat. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.360 I'm barrittun Day Thurston and on this season of Spit 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.720 and I Heart Radio podcast with twenty three and Me, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.040 we explore how DNA isn't just about ancestry, it can 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:38.279 also be key to understanding your health YO with barrettun Day, 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.240 Welcome back. What I love about this season of Spit 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.280 is that we get to hear from different people with 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.080 different perspectives and from all walks of life. Take this 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.440 next episode, for example, Ray Harkins of the podcast On 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.040 Words or Less sits with this good friend Andrew Cannon, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.520 a skateboarder, brand manager at Santa Cruz Skateboards and the 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.680 lead vocalist for the band were Tip. These two geek 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.960 out in a candid conversation about connecting to others through music, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.520 the power of healing, and the importance of understanding one's 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.319 health as a way to take control of your life. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.240 You'll hear Ray and Andrew share their excitement and enthusiasm 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.320 for the twenty three and Me traite reports, taking you 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.400 along for the ride as they share some of the 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.759 insights they gathered from these discoveries. Who is more likely 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.880 to turn red when drinking alcohol? Who is less likely 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.520 to have a fear of public speaking? What percentage Neanderthal 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.520 DNA are you? What Ray and Andrew discussed is only 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.480 the beginning of what we can learn from taking the 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.000 twenty three and me test. There's so much more to 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.000 discover when it comes to your health, information that could 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.480 change the way you live your life. As Ray himself says, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.559 the reports can be enlightening in so many different ways 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.840 and can inform a lot of choices you make as 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.200 it relates to your health. So let's check it out. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.920 You're listening to a hundred Words or Less with Ray Harkins. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.320 Hello you podcast humans. Thank you very much for downloading 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.680 this special episode. This is a bonus drop for all 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.359 you find people out there. And uh, I'm incredibly excited 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.760 because twenty three and Me is sponsoring this episode and 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.720 I got to do something pretty unique. I mean, it 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.040 is definitely a conversation with a person that is involved 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.120 in independent music that that core still exists, but we 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.720 were able to talk a lot about things that frankly, 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.680 I just don't get to talk about within the context 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.520 of this podcast. So here let me spell it out 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.480 for you. So I have Andrew Cannon on the episode today. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.400 Andrew Cannon is the brand manager at Santa Cruz Skateboards. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.560 He's also the lead vocalist for an amazing band called Worship. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.760 You need to find them in all the street platforms. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.400 If you're a fan of heavy music, you absolutely will 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.880 love Worship. But Andrew and I both took a twenty 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.480 three and me tests. We've actually both previously have gone 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.720 through that process, not only from the um you know, 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.560 the health side of things and the ancestry side of things, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.280 but we were just really curious about what this report 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:23.000 would tell about us, and um it was. I mean, 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:28.440 it's incredible. The the amount of information that you're able 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.840 to find out via your DNA is U is really 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.840 really cool. And of course a lot of people that 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.240 go through these tests are curious about their ancestry, and 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.680 we talk a little bit about that. But then just 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.080 the fact that you can find so many different elements 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.280 of your health that is contained within your d n 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:50.400 A is so cool, and this report is enlightening and 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.960 so many different respects and can inform a lot of 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.960 choices that you make in the future from your health 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.400 and everything else that's you know, wrapped up in that. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.360 So yeah, I was excited to talk about this because 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.280 I personally I believe the more information that you have 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.760 about who you are as an individual, not only from 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.120 a personality perspective, but then genetics please a huge partner. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.800 And so I was incredibly excited to work with twenty 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.760 three and Me and team up with them to bring 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.840 you this particular episode. Andrew and I talk about our 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.320 own musical d n A where we just basically nerd 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.880 out about how we got into independent music, and I 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.000 talked to Andrew a lot about that, and then we 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.360 we wax philosophic about a lot of different elements within um, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.120 you know, just kind of why we live our lives 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.080 and why we want to know as much as humanly 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.880 possible about who we are as humans. So it's a 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.080 real fun one and we do get hetty in a 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.279 positive way. And uh yeah, I'm just incredibly excited to 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.839 bring you this special episode that is sponsored by twenty 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.719 three and Me. So check out the conversation with Andrew 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:55.880 and I will talk to you at the end of 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:09.720 the episode. You've dope into my life via the Internet, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:14.080 like many friendships that start these days. And once I 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.920 started to become, you know, aware of not only your background, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.120 but then the fact that you are, you are such 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.520 an unabashed fan of music. And it makes me so 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.839 happy because I think that there's a lot of people 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.120 that are maybe a little more like, oh yeah, like 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.680 I like bands and stuff, but you're like, yo, I 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.680 like bands and that's and I where where does that 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.320 come from? Like? Is it just the fact that, like, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.320 whatever you've been into, you want to make sure like 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.039 everybody knows that, not in an annoying way or maybe 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.279 an annoying way. I don't know, but I mean it depends, 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.720 you know. I think for me, my dad was a 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.719 big music fan growing up. He was actually just out 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.599 here visiting and it was so much fun too. I 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.359 went and bought all these like used Yes records and 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.120 Genesis records and stuff like that. Um, because I was 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.479 like what my dad. I grew up listening to that 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.080 with my dad in the basement, and uh so I 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:04.880 think I get the love of music, But my mom 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.239 also loves music, like I just grew up around people 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.640 that really liked it. But my dad is a nerd 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.240 sort of like I am. Where you'll be listening to 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.479 a song and he kind of does that like oh 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.080 this part, you know, and uh and so I think 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.520 I just I think his own personal passion with music 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.359 sort of informed me to feel comfortable like loving those 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.320 little things. Um and honestly, I just think the coolest. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.560 So you know, we're talking social media base here. Like 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.360 absolutely people could be like, oh, that's annoying or whatever, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.440 but that's literally the purpose of social media. And for 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.920 myself personally, I value it so much because the amount 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.600 of people that share music with me it's fantastic. Like 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.640 people will just randomly DM me and be like hey, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.560 check out my band, and I'm like awesome, thank you. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.559 And sometimes it's just like a small ep they're super 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.800 good or whatever. But for me, I'm like social media 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.560 literally supposed to be social. It's not a one sided thing, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.760 like hey, here's what I'm into. I love finding out 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.839 what people are into. I love when people share stuff 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.600 with me. I think it's a really fun process. But um, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.000 I just love music. I mean, it makes me feel 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.600 so much and because of that, I mean, I act 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.440 very much on feeling as a human being, and so 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:23.760 to be able to share that with someone and hope 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.080 that someone else could maybe have that experience is so cool, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.160 you know, right, that's very valuable. I like what you 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.960 articulated there in regards to It's like those little moments 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.960 and those things that gets you hooked on, whether it's 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.720 a band or a song or those are the things 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.640 because you, especially like you're talking about, as a kid, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:50.000 you have no autonomy. I mean, yes, you're making some 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.560 decisions on your own, but you're usually subjected to whatever 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:57.240 it is your surroundings are. And to have that I 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.800 like prism that you're viewing it through of like oh, 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.800 my dad gets stoked at this drum part, like okay, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.560 and then that's kind of where it goes from there, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.280 where you're like, Okay, maybe I'll pay attention to drums 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.280 first because that's what I saw, like my dad's breaking 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.880 out about or my mom really gravitating towards Yeah. And 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.320 I just think that the cool music is so cool 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.640 because it connects people in different ways. Um, this is 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.560 like a silly story, but um, I'll never forget like, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.200 so when I when I got into like heavier music, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.880 it started off with corn. And uh I remember I 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.640 went to the wall and I bought like a um 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.520 they sold it to me even though it had parental advisory, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.080 and I bought like a corn tape right, and I 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.000 think I got Life is Peache first, And uh I 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.880 remember I was at the Orthodonist office and I saw 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.839 like our old neighbor and he was like probably ten 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.720 years older than me, and he was like, hey man, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:51.560 and I was sitting next to my mom. He's like, 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.440 what kind of music? And I was like, oh, I like, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.240 you know, like maybe heavier stuff or I was like 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.680 I really like Rage against the Machine. And he was like, dude, 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.200 have you ever heard of Corn? If you haven't, you 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.680 need to listen. And I remember sitting on that couch 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.520 with my mom next to me and being like I 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.760 can't say yes, I've heard of them, because then she'll 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.880 know that I have this tape she doesn't know about 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.640 it's parental advisory. And so the coolest thing about music 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.440 is anyone can connect on music, you know, like it 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.800 doesn't matter, Like I can talk to my dad about Genesis, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.840 I could talk to someone younger I could talk to 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.360 people about all kinds of stuff, and I love things 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.199 that sort of break those barriers from like an age perspective, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.560 just because I do, you know, I love connecting with 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.160 people that are older than me. And I think it's 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.880 such a great segue into learning cool life lessons and 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:41.040 stuff like that. So um, I love that. I love 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.720 that part of it all. Yeah, and I think and 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.000 I know this sounds like just like the most cheesiest 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.800 transition at all possible, but just like that's and I 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.920 think that's what you know, I mean, what we're talking about, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.720 just like you know, musical d N a like human DNA, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.720 like the connectivity that you feel and when you discover 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:06.240 more not only about yourself through um, you know, these 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.199 these these tests you do, whether it's like, Okay, i'm 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.520 gonna sample this record and I'm gonna not like that, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.760 but then I'm gonna try this other record and I 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.840 really like that, And it's not like you can articulate that. 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.679 It's just that exactly what you're talking about, that reaction. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.880 But then at the same time, a whole community opens 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.520 up if you are into that piece of music. Yeah, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.560 And I feel like we're existing in such a cool 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.559 moment right now. And I know I keep talking about 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.880 social media, but um, working in the skateboarding industry, like 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:43.400 we've seen so much cool connectivity about skateboarding and about 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.040 you know, different communities forming and sort of going against 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.720 what has been the case in skateboarding, you know, and 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.400 we really see it in like, um, you know, the 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.000 queer skateboarding community and stuff like that, and it's so 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:00.440 cool to see all these people connecting are on stuff 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.640 they're psyched on, you know, and you can be psyched 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:08.199 on like whether it's you know, like bedroom style rap 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.920 or whatever it is. Like there's it's so cool that 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.600 people can just be like, you know what, I'm interested 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:14.840 in this and they can put it out there in 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.880 the world. People can connect on it and just be 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.640 like you can just make friends everywhere, and I just 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.320 love that, you know, sure, and the and to your 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.960 point too, like the world becomes so much smaller and 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:30.240 when you have those common touch points, like you're talking 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.360 about whether you can relate to a person who's older, younger, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.599 it doesn't matter you know, where they came from anything, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.560 as long as you have that that commonality of just 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.160 like oh yes, I like this band, I like this artist. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.040 So that's that is your little entry point and the 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.559 world becomes so much smaller because of it. Yea, And yeah, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.520 I love that part. I think it's so much fun. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.400 I love I love I love being able to put 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.560 out there the things that you're about and then seeing 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.800 other people that are like, whoa, I'm into all that 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.000 same stuff, and then so quickly you can get together, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.160 like you know, you and I like got together it 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.080 went golfing and had fun and just talked and it 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.640 was just super enjoyable, you know, because you were like, oh, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.360 there's so many different connective points here, and it's like, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.360 all right, so we share a lot of these common 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:22.120 ideologies and you know, I feel like, UM, when you 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.360 are able to do that, it's just it allows for 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.320 these really cool connections that you never would have had. Um. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.560 And I think a big part of that is sort 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.679 of being vulnerable and putting out there the things that 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.200 you're psyched on, even if it's cheesy or even if um, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.319 other people might be like, I don't know, that's whack, 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.640 and you're like, it's just who I am. I'm kind 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.320 of whack. Yeah, You're like, you know what, I can't 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.800 change me bro, I'm not exactly sitting here trying to 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.680 pretend I'm that cool. I'm just me, you know, totally 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.320 totally and kind of on that topic. The uh, once 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.960 you started to get introduced to music that I guess 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.480 wasn't your parents and wasn't being played on the radio, 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.760 how did how did that transpire? Oh? Man, um, it 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.640 was always funny, just uh, my parents didn't understand it. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.120 They were not stoked on it, um and it wasn't 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.560 like they were bum But I'll never forget. I think 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.480 I was in I don't remember if it was like 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.400 middle school or high school, but I was into all 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.719 the like kind of the new metal stuff that got 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.560 introduced to me. You know, because I'm so envious of 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.560 people that grow up now with Spotify and YouTube because 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.000 they can just find everything and go down crazy rabbit holes. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.680 I mean, I think there's something about the search that 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.280 was really fun growing up. But you know there's a 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.640 lot of bands, like even like punk bands and stuff 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.360 where people will share it and I'm like, I just 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:48.800 never got into it when I was younger because I 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:53.480 didn't have the CD um and so for me it 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.360 was I think I started off getting into like punk 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.800 stuff with like Descendants and stuff like that. Um, and 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.560 my parents were they didn't mind all of that, but 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.240 I think it was once I started getting into the 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.440 louder sort of screaming stuff where they were like, mmm, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.240 I don't know about this, but I'll never forget. Like, uh, 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.800 I wanted to go see Cold Chamber with some of 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.320 my friends in high school. They had like a little 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.840 new metal band and stuff, and uh, my dad was 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.000 just like, absolutely not, you are not going to that. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.320 So you got shut down. I got shut down. But 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.080 you know I was able to go to like hardcore 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.760 shows and stuff like that, and uh, you know, seeing 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.480 bands like Bain and Boy Sets Fire and stuff like that, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.640 and that you know, really changed my life. Sure. Sure, 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.160 And how how was that stuff like coming into you 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.000 because I know clearly skateboarding has been a very large 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.640 part of your life as well, And so were you 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.320 getting introduced to bands via that or was it kind 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.360 of just like your group of friends that kept bringing 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.640 records your direction? It was a mixed bag. So like, um, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.200 A really good example is the first time I ever 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:02.160 heard Refused, and I had never heard music like refused um, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.520 and it was in a Woodward video, So I would, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.840 I like would go to Woodward Camp UM when I 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.280 was like in middle school. I went a few times. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.280 I was like super lucky, and uh, they would send 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.960 you a video to get you psyched, like a VHS, like, hey, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.920 here's what happened last summer, get ready for next summer, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.080 and I'll never forget. It was actually in like one 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.800 of the BMX dirt Jump sections um, but they had 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:30.480 new noise by Refused and the way his vocals were, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.520 I was like, I don't know what this is, but 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.560 I think this is the best song I've ever heard 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.480 in my entire life, and it blew my mind. So 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.880 it was a little bit of a mix of some 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.400 of the skate videos still had some punk stuff in it. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.200 And then I would just go to shows with people 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.720 in our zone and you know, growing up in Westchester, Pennsylvania, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.280 like right around that area, it was pretty awesome for that, 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.000 like being able to go into Philadelphia with you know, 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.600 some of the older kids, and my parents were very 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.480 trust thing of me, UM, and so I would get 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.280 to go into Philadelphia, or i'd get to go to 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.160 like you know, uh, like one of the That's All 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.600 shows or whatever in like Delaware. You know the different 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.720 zones in p A, and uh so I heard a 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.000 lot of new bands that way too, Like Baying for 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.960 Me was a band that I hadn't really heard of, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.080 and I went to see Boysets Fire and being opened 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.960 up for them and their hands down one of my 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.280 favorite bands of all time. And it that like set 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.760 that night like changed my life completely, you know, right, Yeah, 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:38.080 I love that notion of, you know, seeing an opening 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:42.600 band that is just so unsuspect, like you have no clue, 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.440 and then you see everyone else's reaction and then you 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.320 can't help but not be moved or you know, want 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.280 to engage in the art in some way. And yeah, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.880 just at that point, you're like, oh so now I 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.040 like this band as well as the band that I 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.880 came to see. And you know, I'm you're just going 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.280 to a bazillion shows and stuff like that. You've probably 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.479 done the same, but like at one point I had 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.840 to kind of remind myself, like, dude, you need to 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.600 go and watch some of these new bands, because you know, 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.879 my schedule gets crazy. So I would be like, Okay, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.840 I'm gonna go. I'll be there at you know, I'll 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.600 watch this band for forty five minutes and then I'm 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.360 gonna go home, you know. Um, But there is magic 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.840 to going to see openers and stuff like that to 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.959 just get excited about new music. And you know, you 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.680 mentioned this, like just being excited about music. That's one 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.520 thing that is so interesting to me. Like I'll talk 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:39.359 to some people that like hardcore, like metal, and it's 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.919 so funny when they're like, I only listen to these records. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.000 I don't like to listen to new stuff, and I'm like, man, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.560 can you imagine being like, yeah, I only eat pizza. 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.960 Hut pizza. It's just the only thing that I'll ever 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.480 eat because it's what I've been eating for twenty years. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.960 And you're like, dude, there's so much better pizza out there, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.320 you know. Um. So it's kind of crazy to me 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.240 the way that people shut that down because the accessibility 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.959 of music and the opportunities for people to learn how 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.560 to play instruments and be influenced by so many different things. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.920 I mean, the music that is coming out right now 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.520 is phenomenal in my personal opinion. You know, yeah, totally. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.920 Just the idea of calcifying. I mean, to your point, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.160 it does take effort and you have to go through 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:31.359 the deliberate choice of you know, going to a show 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.080 on time. Like you said, all of these things that 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.520 you are, you know, you take for granted when you're 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.800 young because it's just like you have nothing but time, 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:43.280 and then when you have to actually put work into it. Honestly, 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.760 it's your exactly what you're saying. Where I almost find 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.040 more value out of it now because I feel like 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.760 there's more. Even though music is more easily accessible than 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.879 it ever has been, there it still takes digging. You 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.760 gotta you gotta know where to look, you know. But 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.800 that's again, and I go back to social media on 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.760 just being this awesome opportunity for people to share, and 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.159 it is so much fun to have somebody send you 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.879 something or you know. One of the things that I 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.359 love is I follow all these people from bands that 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.320 are super you know, nice or maybe I don't know 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.280 them or whatever, but it is so cool when all 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.359 of a sudden, it's like eight people are posting the 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.720 same thing and I'm immediately like, all right, I gotta listen, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.479 and I think, uh, the last example of that was that, um, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:36.080 I think it's Foreign Hands. Oh yeah, yeah, dude, what 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.600 a good album? Like it is so good and so 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.600 for me. I love that, Like I love being able 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:48.080 to sort of see what people, um people are talking 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.520 about and then go oh, I'm gonna dive in. Honestly, 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.360 I think, um the person that has the like ten 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.120 out of ten every time. Uh. And I haven't met 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.679 Jeremy Baum um, but he is like his opinion on 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.960 music in my personal like from my personal view, I'm like, man, 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.360 he just knocks it out of the park. It's such 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.760 a big music guy that I haven't gone wrong with 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.360 any suggestion he's put out there yet. You know, right, 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.119 you're like you are by musical Kindred Spirits, and I 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.760 get where you're coming from. And yeah, no, it's it 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.520 is fun to exactly what you're talking about, be able 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.600 to navigate and in the same way that you know 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.879 back in the day quote unquote where it was like 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.760 you know, zene culture and people really focused on reviews 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.720 and once you started to follow a person's opinion, whether 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.120 it was like a actual, you know, full zine that 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.879 you were consuming from one person, or whether it was 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.440 just like, oh, I really like this this guy's reviews 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.639 or this girl's reviews, like I'm gonna follow along with 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.000 that it's the same idea, except now it's just like 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.320 you said, it's much easier to dip in and recommend 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:57.040 music that way. Absolutely, absolutely so kind of on that 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.320 similar topic where it's just you know, you are are 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.320 discovering more of yourself and you are wanting to, um, 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.120 you know, just be aware of obviously the world around you, 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.840 what you got into, you know, skateboarding. I know you 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.400 you know, pursued it professionally, and obviously it's the industry 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.120 that you've worked in for many years. Um, when did 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.920 you kind of start to I guess I've noticed who 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.199 you were as as a person, you know, just as 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.880 far as like, oh yeah, my general disposition is like 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.640 oh I'm either you know, mad or happy like all 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.160 those I guess kind of emotions. When did you start 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:36.720