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Speaker 2: Shows the Broadway ultra. I had made very public statements

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Speaker 2: star Jordan Lytz announced that he will be running in

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Speaker 2: tomorrow's New York City Marathon, then later star in two

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Speaker 3: After that died.

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Speaker 2: When I was an athlete all of my life, I

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Speaker 3: For how it was going to go.

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Speaker 1: You went to the Olympic Trials in what year? So

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Speaker 1: what would you say? Swimming at that.

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Speaker 2: Level taught you Running is a solitary sport, but swimming

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Speaker 1: When you made the pivot, like what was your musical.

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Speaker 3: Theater part zilch.

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Speaker 1: You're the longest running Pharaoh in Wicked's Broadway history.

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Speaker 2: Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever predicted

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Speaker 2: that I would have been happy to be three number seven.

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Speaker 2: The more tools you have at your disposal, more easily

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Speaker 2: castable you are.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kate Max and today we're talking to Jordan Litz,

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Speaker 1: Broadway's longest running fierro on Wicked on Broadway. Jordan competed

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Speaker 1: at the twenty twelve Olympic Trials alongside Michael Phelps, and

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Speaker 1: today you're going to hear how he ran the New

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Speaker 1: York City Marathon, performed two Broadway shows the same day,

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Speaker 1: and how decades of athletic discipline prepared him for that moment.

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Speaker 1: We will be back with Jordan's episode after this short break. Alrady,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Litz, welcome to Post Run High.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I love that we've got like

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Jordan just ran nine miles. I ran four

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Speaker 1: of those nine miles with you. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I feel good. Honestly, nine miles is so much easier

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Speaker 3: I'll do nine any day.

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Speaker 1: So about a month ago, Jordan ran the New York

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Speaker 1: they don't talk about when you finish three so you

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Speaker 1: have to walk. Yeah, I'm not gonna say what I

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Speaker 1: used to call it, but I have a name for it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, you can tell me.

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Speaker 1: But you ran the New York City Marathon and then

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Speaker 1: you performed in two shows, A Mattinee and a night show.

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Speaker 1: You're doing the same thing today as long as baby

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Speaker 2: I keep checking my watch and we're good so far.

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Speaker 1: Jordan's wife is like at the tail end of her

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Speaker 2: Now literally days, literally days.

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Speaker 1: How does one run a marathon or run nine miles

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Speaker 2: Preparation, preparation, preparation. It's all about incrementally building up the

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Speaker 2: and running a marathon and then doing two shows. Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: for me, Fiera is what we call a princess track,

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Speaker 1: You know. I like that you brought in the live

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, there was only one moment in the

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Speaker 2: But fortunately everything worked out just fine. And once I

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Speaker 2: Well, I just had tears in my eyes because I

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Speaker 1: Sixteen hundred shows. Yeah, you know, you get those ten

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Speaker 2: it's like I'm thrown on for Alphaba and I've never

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and I'm trying above two thousand people

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I've never done this before.

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Speaker 1: So you think you'll do what we called it. I

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Speaker 2: I think I learned a lot about fueling that day.

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Speaker 2: You've got everything, but you see ABC all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I have done your two close friends Mary

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Speaker 1: say today we are completing what did you call it?

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Speaker 2: Big day, it really is. And we'll have to bump

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Speaker 2: What's funny is like, through all of this, I don't

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Speaker 2: They just saw that this guy ran the marathon, this

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Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody's really brought up the swimming

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think there is some power in

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Speaker 3: And commitment, there is no one.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we always talk about the goats

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Speaker 2: I mean, there is no one more dominant than that guy.

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Speaker 1: differentiator there?

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Speaker 3: I think it's just.

440
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Speaker 2: The It's the perfect storm of everything. I mean, he

441
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 2: had the perfect body type, He had Bob Bowman as

442
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Speaker 2: his coach who had a very clear vision for how

443
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Speaker 2: to take him and mold him into the greatest athlete

444
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Speaker 2: of all time. He had the perfect work ethic. I

445
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: don't think it's any one thing. It has to be

446
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: the perfect storm of all of these things working together

447
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: to create a freak of nature.

448
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Speaker 1: And then at what point did you decide to step

449
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Speaker 1: away from the sport and what was that like for

450
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Speaker 1: you mentally?

451
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Speaker 2: So twenty twelve I went to trials and for about

452
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Speaker 2: a year after that it was I was in this

453
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Speaker 2: limbo of do I want to continue this and take

454
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 2: a shot in twenty sixteen for Rio or do I

455
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Speaker 2: want to move on? But basically I would have had

456
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: to hope that those guys retired because no one's beating them.

457
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,959
Speaker 2: And fortunately I moved on because they didn't retire. They

458
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: came back and they qualified for the next Olympics. So

459
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: it was an identity crisis for a few years, trying

460
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: to figure out who I am, and that was my

461
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: dream for so many years, was to be an Olympian

462
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Speaker 2: or try to be try to be a professional athlete.

463
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Speaker 2: But man, it was the best decision that I ever

464
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Speaker 2: could have made. And I found musical theaters shortly after that.

465
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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen was when I did my first show

466
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Speaker 2: and it just snowballed from there everything. I've been so

467
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Speaker 2: fortunate that so many doors have opened up my way,

468
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: whether it was Disney or Wicked or the Radio City

469
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: Christmas Spectacular or whatever, finding my manager and agent and

470
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Speaker 2: things like that, the doors.

471
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Speaker 3: Have just opened up.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also what's hard to about making

473
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Speaker 1: the transition is like a lot of times you talk

474
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Speaker 1: to athletes and it's like they had this career ending

475
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: injury where there was no other choice but to pivot.

476
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Speaker 1: But you had to make the mental decision to be like,

477
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Speaker 1: I need to step away from this now and figure

478
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Speaker 1: out what's next for me.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the decision was definitely not made for me. I

480
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 2: had to choose choose to do it. And there's so

481
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: many parallels to being in a long running show like this.

482
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Speaker 2: You a lot of times have the opportunity to stay

483
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 2: for a very long time because the show is in

484
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: no danger of closing, especially now, and eventually you kind

485
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: of have to make the decision when is the right

486
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: time to move on and do something new for yourself.

487
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Speaker 2: So I think I learned a lot through that time

488
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Speaker 2: of transition that hopefully I can apply it to my

489
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Speaker 2: life here in the next year.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like the athlete mentality translates in

491
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: so many aspects of life. You know, from obviously the

492
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Speaker 1: stamina that it takes to perform with the level that

493
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Speaker 1: you're performing at here on Broadway eight shows a week

494
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Speaker 1: to then also being able to go home and be

495
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Speaker 1: with your kids and have the energy to kind of

496
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Speaker 1: be with these young kids that have so much energy

497
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: running around. It just it drives you in so many

498
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Speaker 1: different ways. Alrighty, guys, Kate here, if you're enjoying our

499
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: conversations so far with Jordan. Please make sure to follow

500
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Speaker 1: our show where wherever you get your podcasts so we

501
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: can keep telling you inspiring stories when you made the pivot,

502
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: Like what was your musical theater background?

503
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: Zilch, zero nothing, So.

504
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Speaker 1: You went from a lead athlete to musical theater having

505
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: not had any experience, started at.

506
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: The absolute bottom. Yeah, yes, like zero experience. I think

507
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: I did, like a couple of little church plays. My

508
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: mom was the music director at my churches growing up,

509
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: so like I did like little things like that where

510
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: I had like a scene or two playing something. So

511
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 2: no real dance experience, no zero dance experience, no real

512
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: acting experience, A lot of singing experience. So luckily most

513
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: of musical theater is about being a great singer and

514
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: everything else. I just learned along the way. Had great choreographers,

515
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: great directors, great mentors that saw potential and were able

516
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Speaker 2: to mold me.

517
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Speaker 1: What was the draw for you?

518
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: I had always loved singing. Singing is just I nerd

519
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: out about it. I mean, you've seen I do these

520
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: oscapella videos with Ali and MK. That's like where I

521
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: am the happiest is creating chords and singing with other

522
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: people and being able to marry that with acting and

523
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: expressing yourself in a very unique way that you don't

524
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: get to necessarily do as a human. Every single day

525
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: was so attractive and so unique. And every day you

526
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: get to or every few months, you get to play

527
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: something new and try a new character. Not for the

528
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: last five years. I've been Fear for five years now,

529
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: but up until that point, it's like you do a

530
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: role for three months, move on to something else, and

531
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Speaker 2: so that constant change of temperature and lifestyle was was

532
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: really appealing.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it like when you started auditioning for Fierro,

534
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Speaker 1: because I know you auditioned it few times before getting

535
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: the standby part on the tour? What was it like

536
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: going up against kids like you know, I've interviewed Mary Kate,

537
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: I've interviewed Ali Trim, and there are examples of people

538
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: that wanted to do musical theater their entire lives from

539
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: summer camps. I know Ali was a you know, child star, Like,

540
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: what is it like going up against kids like that

541
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: that have that level of experience.

542
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: I think it worked in my advantage because I was

543
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: not coming in with any expectations or any pressure on me.

544
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Speaker 2: I remember the first callback that I had for Fierro.

545
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: It was with a guy named Sam Gravitt, who played

546
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Speaker 2: Fierro here and Jeff Sears, who played the understudy of

547
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: Fierro on tour. And Sam Gravitt his mom was a

548
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: Tony Award winner and his dad was like a producer

549
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: in the industry, so he's like been in it for

550
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 2: a long long period of time. And Jeff Sears had

551
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: been in Book of Mormon on I think on Broadway,

552
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: he had been an avenue, He'd done a bunch of stuff,

553
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: and I came in with this like blank sheet of

554
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: paper as a resume, nothing, no professional credits. And those

555
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: guys are wildly talented. I mean, they're such unbelievable performers.

556
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: But I think there may have been something appealing to

557
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: the casting team about this unknown, random guy that they

558
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 2: could take a chance on and mold into something. I

559
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: remember Lisa, our associate director of the show, she said

560
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: when I left my final callback that day, she turned

561
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: to the team and said, He's going to be Fierro someday,

562
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: just not today. And sure enough, a year and a

563
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: half later, I ended up getting to do it, But yeah,

564
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: initially it was I think it worked in my favor

565
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: to just be a random.

566
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what would your advice be to somebody that has

567
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's other kids out there that I've

568
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: heard of it before, Like there are sometimes people that

569
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: get into on screen acting and they had never really

570
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: acted before. I always think about Henry Golding, So what

571
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: would your advice be for somebody like yourself that is

572
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: making a pivot from something totally different to then wanting

573
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Speaker 1: to get into the world of acting musical theater, on screen,

574
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Speaker 1: on stage.

575
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Speaker 2: I get this question all the time at the stage door.

576
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 2: And the two things that I tell people I think

577
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: I mentioned it on the stage earlier. Work hard and

578
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: be nice to people. Those are the only things you

579
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: can control. Everything else is out of your control. The

580
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: casting directors have a vision and you're their vision or

581
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: you're not. So you go in, do your thing with

582
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: your skill set, and pray. The other thing that I

583
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: tell people, which is a little bit more practical, is

584
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: develop your toolbox your skill set. You need to walk

585
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: in the room with as many different tools under your

586
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: belt as possible. Work on your singing, work on your

587
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: singing in all different kinds of styles. Work on you're

588
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: dancing in all kinds of different styles. Learn how to

589
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: act very naturally but dramatically and comedically. The more tools

590
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: you have at your disposal, the more easily castable you are.

591
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Casting directors will be able to fit you in in

592
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways. Not everybody is a principal,

593
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: that's just the nature of the business, unfortunately. But if

594
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: your toolbox is huge, you can play the understudy of

595
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: a principle and do several other different roles within a

596
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: show and then hop to a different show and hop

597
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: to a different show because you can do all kinds

598
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: of different things. So build your toolbox, and I think

599
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: that applies to all different facets of life, not just performing.

600
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could go back and tell your early

601
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Speaker 1: Fierro self one thing, what would be your advice to him.

602
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: Don't change a thing. Don't change a thing because it's

603
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: all going to work out. At the time, I was

604
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: like so happy to just be in the show and

605
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: be in the understudy position, and I would have ridden

606
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: that out until my death because I had no expectations

607
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: of ever playing Firo full time. I just I just

608
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: wanted to make make money and perform in a beautiful,

609
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: unbelievable show. So yeah, I wouldn't tell them to change

610
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: anything because it's it's all worked out. I worked my

611
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: butt off to get here and uh, and I wouldn't.

612
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Speaker 1: Change a thing except practice tropes, tours, tours.

613
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Speaker 3: It's like a jump spin.

614
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Speaker 2: It's like you can have like a single tour a

615
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Speaker 2: double tour.

616
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Speaker 3: I don't know if people do triple tours.

617
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they do, but like it's it's a jump

618
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: and a turn, so you like jump and then spin

619
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Speaker 2: and face the exact same way that.

620
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Speaker 3: You were were doing.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

622
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Speaker 1: We were talking with Jordan on the run about how

623
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Speaker 1: the hardest thing for you to master within your tool

624
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: kit was the dancing. Yes, but you got your hours

625
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: of practicing and you were able to do it.

626
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean it's like I said this on

627
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: the run, but dancing has its own language, much the

628
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: way that singing does. Acting has a language as well,

629
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: but I feel like everybody finds their their own technique

630
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: and their own way to create the character. Dancings has

631
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: its language, and I didn't speak it when I started,

632
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: So it was about just learning on the fly and

633
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: learning from my choreographers and my dance captains and things,

634
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: and trusting them that they were telling me the right information.

635
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Speaker 1: You've been Fierro now for a little over five years.

636
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: You've done over sixteen hundred shows. You're the longest running

637
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Pharaoh in Wicked's Broadway history. WHOA, when you hear that

638
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: stat what does that mean to you?

639
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean, never, in my wildest dreams, what I have

640
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: ever predicted that? As I said, I was just I

641
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: would have been happy to be tree number set for

642
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: the rest of my life and to live six doors

643
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: away from Norbert Leo Butts now and him and I

644
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: be good buddies and be the longest running Fearau on Broadway.

645
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: It's like, what that is? Such a dream? I cannot

646
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: believe it.

647
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when when you were first on kind

648
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Speaker 1: of taking on the role of Fierro. I know Julie,

649
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: your wife, was also in musical theater. You guys met

650
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: at Disney World where she was playing Disney princesses. You

651
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: were also there at Disney World, playing different parts. How

652
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: did Julie help you craft your Fierro? Like, did you

653
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: guys workshop it together?

654
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: WHOA, that's a good question. I don't know. Uh, I

655
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: don't think she and I really talked about Fierro too much.

656
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean, she helped me run my lines for the

657
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: auditions and things like that, and she probably knows the

658
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: show better than I do at this point because I

659
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: only know my part, and she's seen the show like

660
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: twenty six times, so she'll quote the show and I'm like, is.

661
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: That from Wicked?

662
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: I have no idea, But I don't think she and

663
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: I ever really worked on it too much, because, you know,

664
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: we kind of try and keep our work life and

665
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: our and our personal life a little bit separated because

666
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: I live in this world all day every day, and

667
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: so I, you know, I just want to see her

668
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: when I go home, and obviously we talk about work.

669
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: But and she also wasn't an actor, sorry, Jules. I know.

670
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 2: She was a phenomenal, beautiful dancer and she played Disney

671
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: princesses all throughout her life, but she didn't grow up

672
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: wanting to do musical, musical theater performing in general. She

673
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: kind of fell into this as well. She got scouted

674
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma by Disney casting people and they were like,

675
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: come out and do the college program, and she said, sure,

676
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: why not, I'll do that, and then jokes on her.

677
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: She was there for eleven years and three in Tokyo,

678
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: which was really cool.

679
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: She did three years in Tokyo.

680
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: Disney That's really cool. It's so wild how Disney's everywhere,

681
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: Like there's a Disney Paris.

682
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: All over the place. We've been to Disney Paris, Yeah,

683
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: we went there on our vacation, not for we went

684
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: there a day on our vacation when we're in Paris.

685
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's one in Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, here, Disneyland, Yeah,

686
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: I think they're six everywhere.

687
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Well, we talked about running in the beginning of this,

688
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: I kind of want to talk about the physicality of

689
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: playing Fierro because I feel like, and you're drinking something

690
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: right now, which we're going to tap into too. So

691
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: to play Fierro on Broadway, you have to keep up

692
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: a certain size, right, Like you have to be muscular.

693
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: You got to fit in those white pants well, right

694
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: and like fill them out. But the hardest thing, I

695
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: feel like for men specifically, is you get really lean

696
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: from a long distance running. So how do you make

697
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: sure and what are you eating like to keep your

698
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: physicality up with all the mileage that you're getting.

699
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 3: In I lift heavy when I go into the gym.

700
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: I think it's very easy for and I prioritize it

701
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: a lot of times runners in my very little experience running, Like,

702
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: let's make that clear, I've been running.

703
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 4: For like a year, which is impressive, guys, because we're

704
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: literally we're sitting five fourteen miles and we're sitting in

705
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: Jordan's dressing room and there's this little like what is it?

706
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: There's a look at thought. There's a trophy behind us,

707
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: and we were like, what is this trophy? Okay, what

708
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: does it say? Fastest men's Broadway miler and you've only

709
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: been running for two years? Yeah? How fast did you running?

710
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: Five thirteen thirteen September seven five.

711
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: I mean, look, there are.

712
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: Like middle schoolers that would smoke me out there, but

713
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: that's not bad.

714
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: Five thirteen is pretty good.

715
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: No, I mean you've this is something to be proud of.

716
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: I am definitely am man on Broadway.

717
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm scared of swimmers when they enter the running world. Really, yes, Yeah,

718
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: like your breath control today, I was huffing and puffing

719
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: on our run for other reasons guys that you'll find.

720
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, you have you have some

721
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: excuses here, you have some excuses.

722
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: But this is pretty cool. And who was the guy

723
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: that came in behind?

724
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: Travis Tabor. He's my understudy. He's one of the fear understudies.

725
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: He's a phenomenal athlete as well. He and I play

726
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Broadway Softball together. He's the captain of the Broadway Softball team.

727
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: I love this.

728
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: We won We won the championship. Not this last year.

729
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: We got smoked this last year, but the year before

730
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: we won the Broadway League Softball championship.

731
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: That's so impressive.

732
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: Fun.

733
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you I like that you keep your love

734
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: for sports alive, you know, like would you say that

735
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: running and keeping your fitness up like and I know

736
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: even probably before you got into running, you were probably

737
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: going to the gym and lifting before the show. Like

738
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: what role does that play when you are then on stage?

739
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: I mean it makes the show so easy.

740
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: You get that post read high going, the endorphins are flowing, truly.

741
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean I will not name names, but I have

742
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: had many a fiarro complain about how out of breath

743
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 2: they are and dancing through life, many a fiera, many

744
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: a fierro, many a white pant, and.

745
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I have I love musical theater.

746
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: It's the best.

747
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: You guys are just so funny, so geeky. It's so geeky,

748
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: but it's so much fun. But I can honestly say

749
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: that I have never once been out of breath in

750
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: any part of this show. And that is strictly from

751
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: the twenty years of base that I built from swimming

752
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: and all of the fitness that I do outside of

753
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: outside of this. It plays such an integral role in

754
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: why I'm notorious for never calling out of the show.

755
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: I think in sixteen hundred performances outside of vacation or

756
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: paternity leave, I've called out probably twenty times or something

757
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: like that in five years. And that has to do

758
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: with all of the training that you do outside of

759
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: outside of the show, and in the gym and on

760
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: the road and in the pool. So when you come

761
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: in here, this is just it's it's so easy.

762
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Okay, We're currently in Jordan's dressing room, so we are

763
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: this is like where the magic happens. We have this

764
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: beautiful costume sitting right in front of us. Yeah, the

765
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: one that you wear in the opening act looks very heavy.

766
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine wearing that after running.

767
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: Well, I only wear it for like thirty seconds. It's

768
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: really not that bad. And all of my other costumes

769
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: are very tight and very light.

770
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, this this room is it's it's really special.

771
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: It's cool that you get it all to yourself too.

772
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Although I would get lonely sometimes I don't. I don't,

774
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: like I'm such a girl where if I was getting ready,

775
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: i'd want lely people around me.

776
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 2: But look, I can go. I can go visit people,

777
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: and I usually do so, Like one of my rituals

778
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: is to go and kick it with the witches down

779
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: on the first floor because it's like I never get

780
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: to see them. Like what you guys don't realize when

781
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: you see the show is that I never see Alphaba

782
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: in the show. Never either she's on stage and I'm

783
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: off stage, or I'm on stage and she's off stage,

784
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: or we're on stage together. I never see MK or

785
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: Lencia or Lyssa Alyssa. I never see them as themselves

786
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: except for maybe about ten seconds before as.

787
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: Long as You're Mine.

788
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: We have a moment before we walk on to sing

789
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: that duet where we're like, hey, how are you like?

790
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: Good to see you.

791
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: So if I don't go visit them if I don't

792
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: go visit MK or Alphaba while she's getting green, I

793
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: won't see her.

794
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: And so much of.

795
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: Having a successful relationship, especially an intimate relationship on stage,

796
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: is developing some sort of friendship. Otherwise the audience isn't

797
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: gonna believe it. They can smell that a mile away.

798
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: So it's really important to me to create friendships with

799
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: my witches and the wizards right next door. And I've

800
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: got Bachandyloman over here, so you know, you walk around

801
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: and while I do have my own dressing room to

802
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: retreat to, I love to go visit people and hang

803
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: out with them and catch up with them, see how

804
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: their day was, how they're feeling. It's just it's so

805
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: important to me.

806
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true, Like the chemistry off stage is

807
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: so important to be able to show that real chemistry

808
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: on stage. Also, as Fierro and somebody that's been on

809
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: the show for five years, you have been through so

810
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: many alphabus and Glinda's.

811
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, I think I need to tally it up,

812
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: but I think I've had probably around fifteen Alpha bus

813
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: and sixteen Glinda's something like that. So a lot of.

814
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: Witches, a lot of witches all right, what are we

815
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: drinking here? What do you have in this in this shaker?

816
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: So this is just water I got my this is

817
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: my show bottle that I have here. I've got all

818
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: my like my different stickers that people have gifted to

819
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: me over the years.

820
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: Soh cud slankified. I love this one.

821
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: Jennifer our Glinda Standby got me that one when we're

822
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: in Salem, a little different Fierro's and stuff. And then

823
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 2: this is just an electrolyte drink by Relte. I've actually

824
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: just kind of started like working with them. They sent

825
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: me some stuff and I tried it out and it's

826
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: uh yeahl Relight shout out Relight. MK works with Relight

827
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: as well. Actually yeah yeah.

828
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: And uh it's good for her golf game, guys.

829
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: Truly, yeah, and it's I mean, that was one of

830
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: I think one of the issues that I had in

831
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: the marathon is that I just did not have the

832
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: correct fueling strategy. I thought that I did going into it,

833
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: but I'm a heavy sweater, so maybe I just needed

834
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: to take on a lot more salt and things like

835
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: that during the race. So shout out Relight.

836
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: You know what next year you're going to come back

837
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: with a whole new strategy. I also feel like when

838
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: it comes to fueling during a race, you just got

839
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: to practice it during your like twenty mile practice runs

840
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: and kind of figure out what works for you for sure.

841
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: And I had, I had.

842
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I did all the things, but I

843
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: think I just need more of it. I wasn't getting

844
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: on as much liquid as I did on my long

845
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: runs because you know, they get those little cups and

846
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 2: sometimes they're like not even half full because they didn't

847
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: fill them up up all the way, or you're trying

848
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: to take it and like most of it goes down

849
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: your face. And so we're going to practice some of

850
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: that for next year round.

851
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to have to practice to the

852
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: last time I ran the New York City Marathon, I

853
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: took one too many of those caffeated goose and my

854
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: friend who's nurse, my friend who's a nurse, Maria, my

855
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: maid of honor, was waiting for me at mile twenty

856
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: five as I was finishing, which by the way, is

857
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: like the worst place to stand.

858
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: Horrible, horrible, horrible.

859
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're an elite runner who's coming through no problem.

860
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. I think everybody is in

861
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: pain at my twenty.

862
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: Five, but I was like pale as a ghost, Like

863
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: I basically finished and immediately went to like one of

864
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: the emergency people waiting there. I was like, I need

865
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: you to hold the up.

866
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is your first time running or.

867
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: My second time running. I've only done the New Yor

868
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: City Marathon twice. Okay, got it, and I really I'm

869
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: definitely gonna do it next I think I'm gonna do

870
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: it next year. I'm not going to say definitely, let's go.

871
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see you out there.

872
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it will be a good one. Yeah,

873
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: but I really think you should do another one outside

874
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: of New York City.

875
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: Off the record, that's going to be like crazy four

876
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: five yes, postpartum.

877
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that's a story.

878
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: I know.

879
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: Holy crap, that's.

880
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: Gonna be my fiaroh moment.

881
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: Come on, that's so cool. Where there was a woman

882
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: I was watching Broadway ultra heck, yeah, absolutely, that's more

883
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: than what I did. And you're gonna, oh man, having

884
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: having a toddler, You're gonna be deep in it.

885
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: You're gonna be just.

886
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: Gonna be so cute. I'll put her in a little out.

887
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: Get ready, it's gonna be it's gonna be all on

888
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: your shoulders.

889
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: My friend, that baby's gonna be running with us though.

890
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna do stroller runs.

891
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: Oh right, we gotta absolutely I do need to get

892
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: a stroller for like a running stroller.

893
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Honestly, our daughters are going to be the same age.

894
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: We should put them in the stroller.

895
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: Let's go.

896
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: I am so into that.

897
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Perfect absolutely marathon training one on one.

898
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Facebook Marketplace, I'm looking for a running stroller.

899
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got a lot going on on the topic

900
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: of kids. What would be your advice to girl dads

901
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: out there that are balancing work life new babies one

902
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: two and a half year old. You know, what's your

903
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: advice to girl dads out there?

904
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: Spend as much time with them as you can, because.

905
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: This is all important.

906
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: And I love getting to sit here and talk to

907
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 2: you and and meet all of you and and build

908
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: your career and all that stuff, and all of that

909
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: is important because you do need to between you and

910
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: your wife or your husband or whatever, you do need

911
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: to provide and give them a great environment. But the

912
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: way you do that is by they don't care about

913
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: them that stuff.

914
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: They just want to be with you.

915
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: And this morning when I was I'm gonna get choked

916
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: up talking about it.

917
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was sad when you were leaving. It's a

918
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: Saturday morning.

919
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: I got tough, and I don't see her until tomorrow now,

920
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: so woo yeah. Sorry. Yeah, and she just like she

921
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: grabs your hand and she says, Daddy, stay, daddy, come

922
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: sit with me. And it's just really hard to to

923
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: leave every day to come do this.

924
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're dedicated to the shit, and it is

925
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: hard on a Saturday. I can't even imagine now with

926
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: young girl. You know, I was watching this video that

927
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: made me cry today and which is like the hormone sirs.

928
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: I littlely cried at anything, so I'm gonna like, dummy,

929
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah he's got the hormones going too. But it was

930
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: like a Halloween parade at this kid's school, and the

931
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: caption over the video was like the power of showing up.

932
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: And it was like this little kid kind of walking

933
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: and he was just sidden, maybe like a little bit

934
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: of a bad mood, and then all of a sudden

935
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: he sees his mom and the face lights up. But

936
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: it is so true. Kids just want to be with you.

937
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: It is the best. Every morning I walk down the

938
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: stairs and she sees me coming down the stairs because

939
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: I get up like an hour after two hours after

940
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: they get up. I'm sorry because of because of the

941
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: nature of what I do. I get home at twelve

942
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: one am or something like that, so the girls get

943
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: up before I do.

944
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: And then every morning I come.

945
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: Downstairs and she's like, daddy, and then like we're on

946
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: and it's game time and it's playtime, and it's It's

947
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: the best part of my day. I love being Feara.

948
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: I love doing Wicked, and I love performing. I love

949
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: running and all of the exciting things that I get

950
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: to do that the people see. But the best part

951
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: of my day is spending those precious moments with Greta

952
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: and Future Baby too.

953
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: What is your plan with Future Baby Too? Will you

954
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: take a little bit of a paternity leave or will

955
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: you keep going?

956
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot that's up in the

957
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: air at the moment. As of now, my contract with

958
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: Wicked is up March first, so I have three months

959
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: left here. Whether or not I continue to stay on

960
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: with the show is still up in the air, and

961
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: we'll we'll see about that. So as of now, the

962
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: plan is to take a week and then come back

963
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: into the show, push through March first, and then regardless

964
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: of what happens next year, either I'm done with the

965
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: show and then I'll have all the time in the world,

966
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: or I continue on with the show and then I

967
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: will take some more paternity leave next year. But yeah,

968
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: the game plan right now is a week, get the

969
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: girls set up, get back in the show, pushed through

970
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: for a couple more months, and then and then we'll

971
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: see after that one week.

972
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: Guys, so no sleep basically with the newborn energy levels,

973
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be coming back.

974
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Did you have?

975
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: But so you've done over sixteen hundred shows. Do you

976
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: want to get to like two thousand?

977
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't think I can at this point. Like if

978
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: I finish March first, it'll be around eighteen hundred ish,

979
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: But look, I don't I'm patting my stats at this point.

980
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 2: I don't need to do anything else with this role,

981
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: like twentieth anniversary cast here for both movies, longest running Fierro,

982
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: There's nothing else that needs to be done except just

983
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 2: I love being here. That's that's the reason that I'm here.

984
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: So no, I don't need to hit two thousand. What

985
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: a crazy mark would that be though, that'd be I know,

986
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean.

987
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: I feel like above sixteen hundred is more than a Yes,

988
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: keep yourself motivated for a show after that many performances,

989
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: and then also when you're tired and exhausted and have

990
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: a new board, and that's keeping you up at night, like,

991
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: how do you show up for the audience?

992
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the people. It's the people here. Every crop

993
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: of witches that comes in completely changes the show for me.

994
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: MK's alphaba is so much different than Lencia's alphaba. It's

995
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: not better, it's not worse. It's just it's a different pacing.

996
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: She delivers lines differently, she sings differently. So I spend

997
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: the first four or five months of us working together

998
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: just like finding what our show is and experimenting, and

999
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: then over the next rest of the course of the

1000
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: contract we're fine tuning those little those little things that

1001
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: we've discovered and having fun along the way. So, and

1002
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: every audience is different. Audiences will go crazy one night

1003
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: and then crickets the night after. It's just it's this

1004
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: living organism every time you step on the stage, and

1005
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: it's about it's about playing every single night and figuring

1006
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: out what works that night, so it always keeps it

1007
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: fresh to me. And then to bring it back to

1008
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: the athlete mentality, I swam the two hundred I am

1009
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: for twenty years and that event never got boring to me,

1010
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, because I was always trying to have the

1011
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: perfect turn, the perfect underwaters, the perfect stroke, the perfect

1012
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: stroke count. And it's the same here. I'm always trying

1013
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: to sing the note exactly in tune with the correct

1014
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: resonance or delivered that line so that it gets just

1015
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: the comedic timing that I want. And you're always striving

1016
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 2: for that perfect show, which doesn't exist. You will never

1017
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: have the perfect show, but you try anyway.

1018
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, it is always different, and I feel like

1019
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: that is the beauty of live theater. It's kind of

1020
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: something new every time that you step onto that stage.

1021
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: For sure. Yeah, And that it's so much different than

1022
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: than film is because once, once you do it, it's set,

1023
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 2: and the Wicked movie will be the Wicked movie for

1024
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: all eternity and whatever choices Jonathan Bailey made as fierro

1025
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: On that will live on forever. I sixteen hundred shows.

1026
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: I get to do something different every single night, within

1027
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: a box, within a framework that still tells the story.

1028
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: But I get to the audience isn't giving me this tonight.

1029
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna try this, and my voice isn't quite

1030
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: feeling like it wants to do this. So I'm going

1031
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 2: to sing the note like this, and it's just there's

1032
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: a freedom to it. That's like, that's so unique to theater.

1033
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you keep your voice fresh for eight

1034
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: shows a week?

1035
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: Well, I don't drink. I don't drink anything.

1036
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't. Sorry, I drink drink water, Yeah, drink, but

1037
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't drink alcohol. I try and avoid sugar. Sugar

1038
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: really gives me like swelling in the voice and honestly

1039
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: knees and everything like that. I feel like sugar is

1040
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: the death of We're going to look back at sugar

1041
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 2: in fifty years the way we.

1042
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: Look at smoking. In my opinion, it is just it's

1043
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 3: so bad.

1044
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: So if I can avoid eating after shows, that's another thing,

1045
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: sugar and eating eating after shows. If I do both

1046
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: of those things, everything else tends to fall into place.

1047
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: Technique obviously comes into play, but everybody on Broadway has

1048
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: great technique. For the most part, it's about how you

1049
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: take care of yourself outside of the show that I

1050
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: think sets sex sets apart the really elite performers and

1051
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: the people that are.

1052
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: Just getting by.

1053
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it makes sense. What is like your

1054
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: go to meal before a shell?

1055
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: I love like a tilapia and broccoli and a baked potato.

1056
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's like a like a standard

1057
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: for me.

1058
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: Makes potato. So you're gonna say, like a peanut butter

1059
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: sandwich with like banana, Well.

1060
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: No, I mean I have that too, Like I've got

1061
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: peanut butter and honey sandwiches over here in my addressing.

1062
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: Room like that.

1063
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: I will scarf down before Mattine here here soon. But

1064
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: if I have enough time, I feel like that that

1065
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: really sets me up for success.

1066
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan Bailey, who you mentioned, plays Fierro in the Wicked movie,

1067
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: did you have an opportunity to talk to him about

1068
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: the movie and his part?

1069
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I haven't gotten to meet him.

1070
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: I know that he's from the UK, which with living

1071
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: over there, you know, he came and they filmed the

1072
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: movie over there, and I think the only time he's

1073
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: been over here really has been for the premieres. We

1074
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: did do like a private screening for the first movie

1075
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: and the second movie. Arian I was there, Cynthia was

1076
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: there for the first one. I've met a lot of

1077
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: the original Broadway cast, but not so much of the

1078
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: movie casts here and there a little bit. But no,

1079
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten a chance to chat with Jonathan Bailey,

1080
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: but I know that he is aware of who I am,

1081
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: because he did an interview recently and mentioned that I

1082
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: ran the marathon and then did two shows.

1083
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool to know that you're on his radar.

1084
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: If you want to run, bro, come on out.

1085
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: You need that, do it.

1086
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: I would be totally out for that.

1087
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked maybe about your contract coming to

1088
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: an end, you may be shifting gears. What do you

1089
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: think the future has in store for you? What are

1090
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: some of the things that you would like to accomplish

1091
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: in the coming years.

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00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to lock myself down to anything. I

1093
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: want to keep running. I love running, I really do.

1094
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: I've fallen in love with the sport. I love racing.

1095
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: I love the discipline that it takes, I love the

1096
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: meditation that it provides for me. So I'm going to

1097
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: keep running for sure. As far as career goes whatever

1098
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: is going to make me happy and give me the

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00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 2: opportunity to spend as much time with my family as possible.

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00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: That is the avenue that I will pursue. I am

1101
00:53:59,520 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: open to.

1102
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: TV, film, stage.

1103
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: Concerts, all of that concerts, concerts like you could you

1104
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: see yourself producing your own music.

1105
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: Well, so we are. MKA was over at my house

1106
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: yesterday and we're in the process of this is the

1107
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: first time we're saying this out loud. We're in the

1108
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: process of doing an as cappella live concert. So we're

1109
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: gonna hopefully flesh that out into something big enough to

1110
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: possibly tour around the country with.

1111
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: So it would be amazing.

1112
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: We'll see it won't be just the three of us.

1113
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: We'll kind of like bring in some guests and have

1114
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: like a small band and things like that. But Oscapella

1115
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 2: has like really taken on a life of its own,

1116
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: So why not pursue something with that.

1117
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like people would go crazy just

1118
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: based on how viral those videos do of you guys

1119
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: sitting in the stair while singing.

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00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: Truly, truly, there's become a wicked fan base, if you will, So, yeah,

1121
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: we have to see it through for sure.

1122
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: What about being back in movies, like, is that something

1123
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: you see yourself doing? Maybe I could see you in

1124
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: more Hallmark stuff, just movies in general.

1125
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: Hallmark, you have my number any day, man, you let

1126
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: me know. No, it's such a blast. The Hallmark thing

1127
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: was one of the coolest experiences of my life. It's fast,

1128
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: it's furious, they're efficient, they know their formula. Everybody is

1129
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: so kind and so sweet. I would do Hallmark films

1130
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: every year.

1131
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: It was. It was such an incredible experience.

1132
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: Is there any role that is a dream role for you.

1133
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: I think a lot of actors say this, but I

1134
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: think the dream role is to originate something, to create

1135
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: something brand new. I mean there are roles like Fiera

1136
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: was a dream role for sure, but this guy right

1137
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: here set the standard. And whenever anybody thinks of Fierro,

1138
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: they think of Norbert Leo Butts. Well, they think of

1139
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: Jonathan Bailey now too, because he was the movie Fierro.

1140
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: But I think of Jordan Litz.

1141
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, there we go, Come on, that's true.

1142
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: Wicked, it was you. It was you and Mary Kay

1143
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like it was Ali.

1144
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: If it was Charlie Trimm, that is unreal.

1145
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: I believe I have to go back and look.

1146
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: You should pull up your play.

1147
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: Although I don't know.

1148
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't they may have because when I did it,

1149
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: when I went, Mary Kate would stand by yeaheah.

1150
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: So you may not know.

1151
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was.

1152
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's in the it's in the like system somewhere.

1153
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, whenever anybody thinks of Fierro, to think of

1154
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: Norbert Leo Butts. He was the guy that created the lines.

1155
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: He was the guy that first said them. He's the

1156
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: guy that first sang the big up that I fell

1157
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: note in uh in as long as your mind. So

1158
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: I want to be the first Norbert Leo Butts in

1159
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: a role, whatever that role is. I'm not sure what

1160
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: it is. But there's something out there that is yet

1161
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: to be written or is in the process of being written,

1162
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 2: that has my name on it.

1163
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: Being that you've been Fierro for the past five years,

1164
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: you were the Fierro when Wicked one came out and

1165
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: Wicked two came out, how would you say the audience

1166
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: has changed as the movies.

1167
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: Came out surrounding the So I was here also for

1168
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 2: the twentieth anniversary, which was a year before the movie

1169
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: came out, and the contrast of the three years that

1170
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: I've been on Broadway as fierrero is unbelievably immense. For

1171
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: the twentieth anniversary, every audience and every performance was like

1172
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: this sitcom, unbelievable energy. It was crazy. And then when

1173
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: Wicked one, the first movie, came out, it was very similar.

1174
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: You had so many people that were coming to see

1175
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: the show for the very first time now because of

1176
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: the movie. So the energy was still very high. They

1177
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: were laughing at lots of things, but a little less

1178
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: so because they knew the jokes that were coming. It

1179
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: was pretty similar to what we do in Act one.

1180
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: It was just longer.

1181
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: And now since movie two has come out, it's been

1182
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: very interesting. It's been two weeks i think now, or

1183
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 2: two and a half weeks or so since the since

1184
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: the second movie came out, and the audiences have been

1185
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: aware of our show. They're very aware of what's coming.

1186
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: There are no surprises left. When I used to get

1187
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: put in the cornfield at one point, people would be

1188
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: shocked by that because of what it meant for the

1189
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: future of my character. For the rest of the show.

1190
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: There is no surprise anymore. There's no surprise at the

1191
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: end of the show anymore, when we discover new secrets

1192
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: and things like that. So the audiences, the reactions have

1193
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: been very subdued compared to what they were. They still

1194
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: stand up at the end of the show, they always

1195
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: do because they're so appreciative. But it's been a very

1196
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: interesting experience to see from the twentieth anniversary to Wicked

1197
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: one to Wicked two, the stark contrast in audience response.

1198
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: Ticket prices are through the roof right now because Wicked

1199
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: is the hottest ticket in Broadway right now.

1200
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is interesting because it does it's almost

1201
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: like Wicked too spoils the ending of the Broadway show for.

1202
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: Sure, and it's so accessible to everyone. Now you can

1203
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: just pull it up on Well, soon you'll be able

1204
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: to pull it up on Amazon Prime for fifteen twenty

1205
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: bucks and everybody can see what happens at the end

1206
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: of Wicked, Whereas for twenty two years or so, you

1207
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: either had to look it up online, which what's the

1208
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 2: fun in that, or come see it live and experience

1209
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: it for yourself. So, yeah, a little bit of the

1210
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: secret and a little bit of the magic is rubbed

1211
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: off a little bit because of the movie, but I

1212
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: also think that it's bringing in more first timers than

1213
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: ever before.

1214
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: So it's bittersweet a little bit.

1215
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wonder.

1216
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: If they'll change anything about the on stage play because

1217
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: of this.

1218
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: I highly doubt that they will. I highly doubt that

1219
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: they will because this is its own thing. Like what

1220
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: we do here is so different than what they do

1221
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: on film. There are things that they can do where

1222
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: they take their time with the scene or a delivery.

1223
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: There's a moment.

1224
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: An act too, where Jonathan Bailey did this where he's

1225
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: deciding whether he's gonna go with Alphaba or Glinda. In

1226
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: our show, it's quick and it just bursts out of

1227
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: Fierro and he says, I'm going with her, and it

1228
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: almost surprises him as as much as it surprises the witches.

1229
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: In the movie, he had all of this time to

1230
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: be able. You could see the process on his face

1231
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: of him making the decision. We don't have that kind

1232
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: of time, and people one hundred rows back can't even

1233
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: see it anyway. So the line deliveries are so much

1234
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: different in film than they are on stage. So I

1235
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: can't imagine that they'll ever change our show just because

1236
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: it wouldn't translate. Maybe musically they could change some things,

1237
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: but then that also changes it for the orchestra, and

1238
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: it's this whole domino effect. But we'll see.

1239
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of cool to see both.

1240
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: Like to see the world of Oz and Shizz imagined

1241
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: in Wicked one and two in the movies, and then

1242
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: to come in and see it on stage really is

1243
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: a different experience, truly.

1244
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get to see the original, the the original.

1245
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: Entity of what it was.

1246
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's end with a couple pop questions.

1247
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: Hit me, who in the cast is the biggest chaos

1248
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: agent backstage?

1249
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: Uh? Celia Hottenstein or Danny Quadrino. Who's our back over here?

1250
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: Those two to I mean, if you get them together,

1251
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: the show's done.

1252
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: What makes them so crazy?

1253
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: Celia does this thing that cracks me up where she

1254
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: will put lipstick all over her teeth and then all

1255
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: over She's one of our Glenda understudies too, so she's

1256
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: like the most one of the most beautiful women you'll

1257
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: ever see in your life, but like the goofiest dork

1258
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: as a human. I love you, Celia, but uh, yeah,

1259
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: she's chaos.

1260
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: We gotta get Celia and back on the show.

1261
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh, please do. And she's a phenomenal athlete. I think

1262
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: she ran she ran the the NYC half maybe four

1263
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: or five years ago and went like one thirty two

1264
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: or one thirty.

1265
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we're in it either running interviews, you're in

1266
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: she's she's the next up in the Wicked.

1267
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: I will pack it along. Yeah, she's she's an avid athlete.

1268
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Do the Broadway Wicked guys have a secret group chat? No?

1269
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: Why are we so lame? No, we don't. Wow. I

1270
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: don't think I'm on any of the group chats. I

1271
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: think the ensemble has one. But no, I'm so secluded

1272
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: up here in my little dungeon.

1273
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: Was there ever a moment where you forgot choreography on

1274
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: stage and had to improvise?

1275
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: Yes, And you don't want to see that because, as

1276
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: I said, I have no dance experience and no language

1277
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: to speak of. Luckily, my character alludes to another character

1278
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: with all of his dance moves. So if I mess

1279
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: up and I just kind of like hold poses like that,

1280
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: it worked.

1281
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: M Okay, I love this question. What is your I

1282
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: can't believe I get paid for this moment weekly.

1283
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: At the end of the show alphabus singing off into

1284
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: the audience, and I'm standing there looking at her behind her,

1285
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: and Glenda's up here in the bubble, and I'm looking

1286
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: out at the audience and the witches are in my

1287
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: view and my show is done, and I have a

1288
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: moment of Wow.

1289
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: This is every.

1290
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: Theater kids dream to be on the biggest Broadway stage

1291
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: and the biggest Broadway show, and I'm living it right now.

1292
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is truly a moment in time, and I'm

1293
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: just so glad I got to encapsulate a little bit

1294
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: of this moment in time with you on our run

1295
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: today and our podcast. I hope you're feeling good going

1296
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: into your two shows.

1297
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: I do, I really do. I'll probably stretch a little bit,

1298
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: sit with my legs on the wall, but other than that, man,

1299
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm just so honored that you guys brought me on.

1300
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

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01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: So much for being here with us today. This is

1302
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Litz. Guys, everybody follow him. You've got until March,

1303
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: maybe sooner to come see.

1304
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: Him on Broadway, just in case comes before March.

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Speaker 1: First, thank you so much for being here with us today.

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Speaker 1: If Jordan's story moved you the way it moved me.

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Speaker 1: Please share this episode with someone who might need it

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Speaker 1: and follow the show so you're tuned in for the

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Speaker 1: next episode of Post Run High. I'll see you guys

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Speaker 1: next week.