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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites the podcast from the Action Network,

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Speaker 1: Huge Huge Show Today, And I mean that with all sincerity.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just doing like typical podcast, Huge Show Today.

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Speaker 1: Later on in the show, Matt Jones from Kentucky Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio a legend. He has built himself into a legend

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Speaker 1: in the state of Kentucky all things Kentucky sports, specifically

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Speaker 1: Kentucky Wildcats basketball. Matt and Drew Franklin, his kylleague at

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Speaker 1: Kentucky Sports Radio are gonna be covering the tournament as

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Speaker 1: well as everything through the Kentucky Derby for the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: And so he's gonna come on. He's gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: college basketball with us and one of his very first

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Speaker 1: duties as a newly minted member of the team. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to Matt Jones, my favorite person in the

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Speaker 1: world from New Orleans repping all the books in the

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Speaker 1: state of Nevada for board gaming. Mr Bob Scoochee, my

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Speaker 1: brother from another mother. What is going on? Oh man,

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Speaker 1: how's it has it been going with you? I've missed you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since we did one of these.

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Speaker 1: I have felt like I've been unmoored since the football

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Speaker 1: season ended. And while I've enjoyed doing the podcasts and

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Speaker 1: Blackjack is doing a great job with Paula Duca, once

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Speaker 1: a week, UM, I have sort of felt like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking to Scooch today. That's what I felt like,

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Speaker 1: you need a dose. I need a little hit a Scooch.

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Speaker 1: I did get to have a hit a Scooch uh

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Speaker 1: several times over the last week because I have been

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Speaker 1: watching the video for the Favorites by the Scootles on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: If you go to YouTube and type in the Favorites

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Speaker 1: and Scootles that's s k O O T l E

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Speaker 1: s uh, you can see the video that Scooch made

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Speaker 1: about the podcast with his band with a random picture

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Speaker 1: of Jake Cornege from the Westgate in the middle of it. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why that happened. Uh. And then I

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Speaker 1: played it for my wife the other night and she's like,

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Speaker 1: that is so fun. You know, She's not really interested

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Speaker 1: in anything that has to do with me, So the

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Speaker 1: fact that it might have might have been because like

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Speaker 1: you were sort of centerpiece. But I don't know, do

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Speaker 1: we have a clip? Are we playing a clip of

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Speaker 1: it right now? What's happening? Are we gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 1: try it, okay, would you think? So? What did you

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Speaker 1: think of it? You think it was all right? That

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Speaker 1: was amazing. I loved it. It's so creative, so smart,

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Speaker 1: Like it sounded great, it was smooth. I felt like

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Speaker 1: I was listening to the Beatles sing about me. There

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Speaker 1: you go. That was our intent. I liked it, and

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Speaker 1: the guys were like, you know, the song was finished

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, so the guys were like killing

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Speaker 1: me there, Hey, what does Chad think of it? What

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Speaker 1: does you think of the song? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: he'll listen to it when he gets around to it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. So typically you, by the

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Speaker 1: way to not text me NonStop and be like, dude,

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Speaker 1: we wrote a freaking song, listen to it and like

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Speaker 1: just sort of randomly bring it up. You brought it up.

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Speaker 1: We were we were on the phone, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: last week and you're like, hey, what do you think that?

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Speaker 1: Like literally went on the phone for twenty five minutes

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Speaker 1: talking about eight different things, and you bring it up

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Speaker 1: at the very end as if it like was by

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Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was,

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Speaker 1: by the way, it was by the way, but it's

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Speaker 1: important to your guys. And now guess what on a

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Speaker 1: national podcast making their debut, the hit makers Bob Scucci

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Speaker 1: in the school Dools you think you be? You'll eating

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Speaker 1: cha cha? Three p three goings up Wednesday. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean come on Wednesday morning, we're on the set. That

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Speaker 1: little relevant to the show. Well, I would appreciate it

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Speaker 1: since you were writing a song about the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: School Larry had that nice up beat melody and uh

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Speaker 1: scoot l Ray put the stuff together and got Scootle

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Speaker 1: Bob and Schootle Steve. So I gotta I gotta give

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Speaker 1: everyone props. Way to go, Way to go, Scootles, Way

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Speaker 1: to go. The entire team we love it. If you

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Speaker 1: want to check out more of the song, go to YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Type in the favorites and Scootles s k O O

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Speaker 1: T L E S Scootles. Here are the Favorites. A

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Speaker 1: podcast song written by Bob and his team. Well done,

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Speaker 1: Mr Scucci, El done. I think people are really gonna

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. In the Year of Kindness, that's all for you.

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Speaker 1: It's like you're the only one who's playing kind of

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Speaker 1: like New year's resolutions by by February. Everyone's yeah, I'm done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: honest to god, no one. No one's being very kind. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what is kind. We're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: big college basketball show. I mentioned that Matt Jones is

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Speaker 1: you happen to have Vegas itself is hosting a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of college basketball tournaments, conference tournaments next week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: gonna have the West Coast Conference tournaments. So Gonzaga, which

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Speaker 1: does it work when those happens? Can you guys take

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Speaker 1: they just prefer not their players to see the names

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Speaker 1: times what we'll do just at the Orleans alone, will

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Speaker 1: we will prohibit betting on those games, but uh, we'll

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Speaker 1: still take them at our other properties, so as long

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Speaker 1: And that's more of a request from the from the

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Speaker 1: any regulations. So financially, it must be worth it for

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Speaker 1: you guys, because like, what's the value in taking those

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a trade offense. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: had we booked last year, we would have gotten crushed

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Speaker 1: before college basketball started, Paula Duca, uh was just talking

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Speaker 1: college basketball then the return of Zion Williamson. M How

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Speaker 1: do you measure his impact going forward? Do you doesn't matter?

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Speaker 1: Like is do such a public team that people are

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Speaker 1: how do you account for all this? Well, he's the

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Speaker 1: one of the local shows. Uh, earlier this year, if

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Speaker 1: And they could keep rubbing my nose in it every

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Speaker 1: time Duke loses a game. Uh. But but I still

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were great teams. So, uh, you have

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Speaker 1: not saying anything revelatory here. So you want to hear

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Speaker 1: your podcast, Oh say, But you know, for years, Duke

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Speaker 1: it was great to reconnect with you, buddy. Thank you

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Speaker 1: as promised. My next guest on the Favorites, joining us

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Speaker 1: from Kentucky Sports Radio, joining the Action Network for a

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Speaker 1: spell during college basketball and through the Kentucky derby Mr

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Speaker 1: Matt Jones. Applause, applause, applause, applause. It's going on, brother,

461
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm good, how are you? I can hear the applause

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00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: all the way here at Kentucky was very exciting. I

463
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: feel like I walk around with applause ringing in my

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00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: ears all day. That's how I get through it. Well good,

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00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: it must be nice. I walk around with a lot

466
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: of people screaming obscenities at me, so it ends up

467
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: working out really well. I don't think that's true. Like

468
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: in Kentucky. You need to describe to people, like what

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Speaker 1: a big deal you've become in Kentucky in a way

470
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: that like I would imagine most people listen to this podcast. No,

471
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: just because you know, you do regular appearances and bar

472
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: stool and you're on ESPN a bunch and you hosted

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Speaker 1: a show on ESPN Radio all season and you fill

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Speaker 1: in for a football season. You're filling for Finding Bottom

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00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: a lot. But like, explain to people what you have

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00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: created with Kentucky Sports Radio, which is truly astounding, uh

477
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: in its popularity and like a from the bootstraps guy

478
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: who's passionate about sports and media, uh, making a what

479
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I like to call and we do the segment a

480
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Speaker 1: loot on this podcast, a you bet your life stand

481
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: on his own talent and ingenuity. Well, so about fifteen

482
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: years ago now, which it's crazy to think it's that long,

483
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: I was an attorney and you know, blogs and and

484
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: sort of websites that were not just newspaper based. We're

485
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: we're kind of just taking off. I know that sounds crazy.

486
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: It's like it wasn't that long ago, but it really

487
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: was true. And like two thousand, three dozen four and

488
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: I started, uh, Kentucky Sports Radio really just as a

489
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: way to have fun with my friends and kind of uh,

490
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, right about UK athletics and just to be

491
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: sort of doofy. It started as a blog that looked

492
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: like you created it on you know, old school windows,

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00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: and it slowly got more and more popular. It's sort

494
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: of followed with the rise of blogs, so a lot

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00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: of sites like Dead's Been and even early bar stools

496
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: around that time, and they just kind of slowly it's

497
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: sort of became a thing, and we kind of rode

498
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: that wave. And then Kentucky John Calipari got year and

499
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: it became a huge Chucky basketball took off, and and

500
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: I created a radio show that had the same name

501
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: as the website, and over time we've just kind of

502
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: created a little mini Kentucky sort of empire here with

503
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: a radio TV show, a daily TV show, a website.

504
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: We now have a sports bar, and it's been it's

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00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: been a really awesome, awesome experience here. But it really

506
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: just started with me in my basement with my friend Hubby, going, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's do something fun because our my legal job is

508
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: too boring, so let's try this, and it just kind

509
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Speaker 1: of took off What was the first story you wrote.

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00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: That's a great question. The very first story I wrote

511
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: was about it was dirty. I don't know the first story,

512
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: but it was Tubby Smith at the end of Tubby

513
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: Smith time in Lexington, and it was kind of those

514
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: years were like as it time for Tubby to move

515
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: on and and sort of those debates and I we

516
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: really blew up. When we blew up was Patrick Patterson

517
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Speaker 1: who now plays in the NBA for the Thunder. His

518
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: high school recruitment came down to Kentucky, Florida and North Carolina,

519
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: and he just kind of thought we were funny because

520
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: we were two googers, and he gave us like all

521
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: of his inside scoops and he broke his commitment on

522
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: my podcast, and like that was really when the state

523
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: of Kentucky really took notice of us, and we just

524
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of rode that wave. That is insane. Why do

525
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Speaker 1: you how do you think he found you? That? That's nuts? Well,

526
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: so we went to an A a U event. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So now, like everything I'm saying makes me sound nine

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Speaker 1: years old, But like when I went to A A

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Speaker 1: U events in like oh five, oh, six, oh seven,

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00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: there weren't as many like reporters. There wasn't you know,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't YouTube, there wasn't all this stuff where like

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00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: people just showed up and asked everybody questions. So most

533
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: of the people that went to events were just like reporters,

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00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, they were just like old school reporters.

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Speaker 1: And we went in and we did something that now

536
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: everybody does, but that back then people didn't do, which

537
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: was we asked him like about American Idol and you know,

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00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: about rap and stuff, and like he now, everybody does that,

539
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: but back then we were kind of the only ones

540
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: doing it, and so he just thought we were much

541
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: more fun than talking to the sort of regular TV

542
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: and sports writer guys until he would come on our show,

543
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: and you know, we weren't that much older than him,

544
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: and so it was kind of it was just a

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00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: way to do something different. And now I've done it

546
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: so long, I'm the old guy asking those questions. But

547
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: when I started, I was much younger, and so it

548
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: was easier to connect. But like, here's what's interesting to me.

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00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: You want to start a blog and you choose a

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00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: name Kentucky Sports Radio, which is like so sort of analog. Well,

551
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: you wanna know, why I did that. It was very simple.

552
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: I thought the idea, I've been a big believer throughout life.

553
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: If you don't have it, act like you have it.

554
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: So I learned that at I literally the night we

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00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: created it, we were trying to think of a name,

556
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, how about Kentucky Sports Radio. That way,

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00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: if we ever apply for press credentials, they'll think we're

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00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: an actual radio show. And we did, and so we

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00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: got press credentials for like now people credential blogs, but

560
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: back then they didn't, so like we would apply to

561
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: Kentucky Sports Radio and people just assumed it was a

562
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: radio show. And the idea was, Okay, well maybe one

563
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: day we'll be a radio show, but we'll fake it

564
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: till we make it. And we actually got credentialed for

565
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: events because they thought we were a radio show even

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00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: though we worked. When were you making enough that you

567
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: could quit being a lawyer? Took a long time. I

568
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: mean it took probably five years. And then you know,

569
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: like again there's a lot of luck involved, Like it

570
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: was the perfect timing. Like I don't think you could

571
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: start a blog now and really have success unless you

572
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of money behind it, you know, seed

573
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 1: capital or like, I just don't think you can do

574
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: it nowadays, But back then you could kind of do

575
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: it because the Internet people didn't it wasn't as saturated

576
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: with information and so we but it still took a

577
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, the idea. I remember in two

578
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: thousand and ten when I sort of quit practicing law

579
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: and decided to do radio in the web. Selling the

580
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: internet advertising was almost impossible, like nobody would buy it,

581
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: and we had these huge traffic numbers and people still

582
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't buy it. So even for my first couple of

583
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: years of doing it in like two thousand and ten eleven,

584
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: really I made no money. I just sort of lived off,

585
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: barely getting by. And it really starting about two thousand twelve,

586
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: the Internet as a resource to make money had really

587
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: kind of risen a lot. And then Kentucky won the

588
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: national championship and so we really were We wrote that

589
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: way for New York Times did a feature on us,

590
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden then it became more of

591
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: an elaborate business. I love this story. Well, it's it's

592
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: it's unique, I mean, And here's the thing, this is

593
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: what I love about the owner. Co owner and I

594
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: were college friends. Almost all of the early writers of

595
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: mine were just college friends of mine and they had

596
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: other jobs. My the guys that I hired in two

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00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: thousand nine and ten and and men and women basically

598
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: all still work on it. We've kind of like people

599
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: love it because it's like fun and so it's not

600
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: it's a business. It now makes like we do very well,

601
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: but it's still the same people and we still kind

602
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: of all act the same. And we were all friends

603
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: before this and we're still kind of friends now. And

604
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: it's just been it's been a blast, and it hasn't

605
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: gotten so big that it's become annoying. It's been like,

606
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: right at the perfect level of you can make a

607
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: really good living and have fun and take care of everybody,

608
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: but you don't get the headaches, uh sometimes when things

609
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: get huge. So it's been great. How do you resist

610
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: the temptation to try to play outside your lane? Well,

611
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: I I I do play outside of my lane first,

612
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: but I mean you do, but like as a as

613
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: a media personality individually, right, like this has been a

614
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: platform for you, but like Kentucky Sports Radio, you could

615
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: have decided, you know what, We've built a following, We're Kentucky.

616
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: But that's sec so maybe we should be doing more. Yeah,

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00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake. I read a book many

618
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: years ago Chad called this was in the early two thousand's,

619
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: and I thought, and it probably was one of the

620
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: best books I've ever read. Now some of it's dated now,

621
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: but it was called Jehad Versus McWorld, And the theory

622
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: of the book was that as the Internet and everything grew,

623
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: there were gonna be two significant forces. Force one, we're

624
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: gonna be these mega corporations that got huge and became

625
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: massive and a huge part of our lives, and we've

626
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: seen that with Amazon, Google, except But then phase two

627
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: was there would be this hyper local thing. And they

628
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: talked about in the in the context of war with

629
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Speaker 1: you know, jihad, etcetera. But the idea also applies to media,

630
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: which is people are either gonna want the biggest platforms

631
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: or they're gonna want something that's hyper local that they

632
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: can't get anywhere else. And where you fail is in

633
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: the middle when you try to be a little bit

634
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: of both, like that just doesn't work. So I think

635
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that I learned is, Okay, if

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Speaker 1: you try to cover the whole sec. I don't really

637
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Speaker 1: think that works. But if you cover your team, that's

638
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Speaker 1: good because the readers really care about your team. And

639
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Speaker 1: I could give you a many, many different areas of

640
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Speaker 1: news that I think this is true, but I really

641
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Speaker 1: believe this. I think people now either turn on the

642
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Speaker 1: mega corporation or the hyper individualized. The thing I really

643
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Speaker 1: care about corporation and the ones in between are the

644
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Speaker 1: ones that the new economy has really struggled with. And

645
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Speaker 1: we have stayed in that small lane, so people have

646
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Speaker 1: tried to buy us out. I mean, I'm one of

647
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Speaker 1: the last really independent, really successful blogs. I mean, how

648
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Speaker 1: many more can you think of that that that don't

649
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Speaker 1: have any national affiliation. We don't, and I think it's

650
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Speaker 1: because I found this market and I felt like if

651
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Speaker 1: I merged with anyone else, it would dilute my products

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Speaker 1: so much that my fans would hate it. So I

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Speaker 1: was just like, I'll just keep doing it. And it's

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Speaker 1: worked out pretty well for its Yeah, well, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard because people were offering money that at the

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Speaker 1: time was a lot of money to me, and I

657
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Speaker 1: wasn't making money really, and so it had to be

658
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Speaker 1: I I watched as virtually every college sports blog that

659
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Speaker 1: was worth anything sold themselves to Explanation, to Rivals, to Scout,

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Speaker 1: to Yahoo seven. Like they all got bought up, every

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Speaker 1: one of them, and there are only a handful of

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Speaker 1: us left. I mean I used to know a bunch

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Speaker 1: of them, and some of them have even sold up.

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Speaker 1: And I'm one of the last ones. And the reason

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Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, I quipped this

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Speaker 1: stuff to have a job. I want to run it

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Speaker 1: as my thing. And so I hung on and and

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Speaker 1: you know, while I hang on forever as independent, I

670
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Speaker 1: don't know, but it's hard to see letting go because

671
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Speaker 1: again go back to my jihad versus McWorld theory, I

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Speaker 1: think it's those middle organizations that are not succeeding. ESPN

673
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Speaker 1: will always succeed, right, but I think and I think

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Speaker 1: local stuff succeeds. I think the regional stuff are the

675
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Speaker 1: ones that struggle. Well, I don't disagree with you obviously,

676
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Speaker 1: Like I left ESPN and went to Action because I

677
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Speaker 1: felt like going to a place that we're helping to

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Speaker 1: start a place that is singular and focus and obsessive

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Speaker 1: about one particular thing, and see that's what's brilliant about

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Speaker 1: Like what you all did, it is exactly what we

681
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Speaker 1: did with Kentucky. As you said, Okay, rather than be sports,

682
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sports gambling and it's like perfect right there,

683
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Speaker 1: Like nobody's really filling this void. We'll do it and

684
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Speaker 1: that's where the future lies. And people ask me all

685
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Speaker 1: the time like how do I get to have your job?

686
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're too late for my job. My

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Speaker 1: job is gone. I hit the right time for that.

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00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: Now your job is to see what's the thing that

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Speaker 1: no one's doing that people are gonna care about. And

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Speaker 1: I think what you guys did is brilliant because you

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Speaker 1: hit one of those those voids. Brilliant, just brilliant. Uh

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Speaker 1: let's talk about sports for a minute. Okay, Yes, tell

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Speaker 1: me about this Kentucky team. What am I to make

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Speaker 1: of this Kentucky team right now as we head into

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Speaker 1: the SEC tournament? What am I to make them as

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Speaker 1: a better and what am I to make them as

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Speaker 1: someone who is thinking about brackets really good but not perfect?

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Speaker 1: So as a better I would say that they are

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Speaker 1: a very difficult team to gamble on because you don't

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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get um. I am a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of In game Way During. Drew Franklin basically has

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Speaker 1: taught me into it. It's all I do anymore. And

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Speaker 1: in game Way During for Kentucky is very easy because

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00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: they're always gonna fall behind and they're always gonna come back.

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Speaker 1: But the but Vegas has really hit spreads pretty much

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Speaker 1: dead on with Kentucky. They just they're not consistent. Now.

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Speaker 1: I do think in terms of brackets, they are one

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Speaker 1: of five teams that can win the championship if everything

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Speaker 1: goes perfectly. I think the winner of the titles coming

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Speaker 1: out of Duke Kentucky, Virginia, Gonzaga, and Tennessee, one of

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Speaker 1: those five teams is winning, and I think Kentucky is

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Speaker 1: right there. The thing about those five teams is two

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Speaker 1: of them are gonna end up in the same bracket,

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Speaker 1: and that's gonna be really bad for one of those

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Speaker 1: two U two programs. And I'm worried Kentucky is gonna

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Speaker 1: be one of those two. But I like to wait

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Speaker 1: Kentucky plays. I think as as a gambler, I would

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Speaker 1: say Kentucky stay away from him until Read Travis comes back,

719
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Speaker 1: because they're still getting the benefit with the lines of

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Speaker 1: having a full roster, and they don't, and so I

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Speaker 1: think they're like, I want to say, maybe one in

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Speaker 1: five against the spread in the last games. Wait till

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Speaker 1: he comes back before you really go all in on it. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned Kentucky, you mentioned Tennessee, you mentioned Virginia,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Duke and Kenzaga. I don't have future bets

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Speaker 1: underneath those teams. I have future bets on Marquette, Kansas State, Houston,

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Speaker 1: and Washington. I don't mind the Houston one. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think Houston. I think the other three just don't

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Speaker 1: have the athletes to win the whole thing, but Houston does. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I got Kentucky at one right after the

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Speaker 1: Duke game because because Betters just jumped off of Kentucky

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Speaker 1: for a while because they look so bad. They lost

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Speaker 1: the Duke, they lost the Seaton Hall, and I still

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Speaker 1: thought the talent was there. Um, But I like you

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Speaker 1: Houston one. There's a scenario I think where Houston uh

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Speaker 1: could find its way into the final four, and then

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Speaker 1: once you're in the final four, you never know what

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Speaker 1: will happen. So I uh, the key for Houston is

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a team go to if you don't

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Speaker 1: believe in Gonzaga, and there's a lot of people that don't.

741
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Speaker 1: If I when the bracket comes out, I would find

742
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Speaker 1: the three, four or five or six UH seeded team

743
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Speaker 1: in the West and take them because I think they'll

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Speaker 1: have the easiest path to the Final four if you

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Speaker 1: don't believe in Gonzaga. And because of the pod theory,

746
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Speaker 1: there's a good chance Houston will be in the three

747
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Speaker 1: in the West. So I don't think that's a terrible one. Wow,

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Speaker 1: you just blew my mind with all the ways in

749
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Speaker 1: which Houston can get to the Final four and make

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Speaker 1: me some money. Well, Houston as the three seat in

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Speaker 1: the West is very likely to happen. And again, if

752
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Speaker 1: you don't believe in Gonzaga, and a lot of people don't,

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Speaker 1: then they got as good as shot as anybody you

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Speaker 1: get in the final four from the West. Alright, So,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky is an interesting team to me because they've been

756
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Speaker 1: so inconsistent this year. And like I thought, when they

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Speaker 1: blew out Tennessee a couple of weeks ago at home,

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Speaker 1: I thought, all right, they've sort of gotten over their

759
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Speaker 1: middle of the season hump. They're fine tuned, they're ready

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Speaker 1: to roll, and then they go to Tennessee and get

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Speaker 1: blown out. And maybe that was just like a bad

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Speaker 1: spot for Kentucky because they have been riding high and

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Speaker 1: they came in and they were on the road and

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Speaker 1: sort of a different spot. And you know, Tennessee had

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Speaker 1: the revenge scenario there. But which Tennant Which Kentucky team

766
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Speaker 1: do you think is the team that gets to the tournament?

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Speaker 1: What does coach cal do to make sure they are

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Speaker 1: the team to beat Tennessee? Well, first thing, I got

769
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Speaker 1: to get healthy. I mean read Travis, the one senior

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Speaker 1: on the team, one of the few seniors Cal's ever had,

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Speaker 1: Uh has been out for the last four games. He's

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Speaker 1: supposed to play on Senior Day on Saturday, and if

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Speaker 1: he does, I think that makes the team a lot

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Speaker 1: closer to the team that played in Lexington than than

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Speaker 1: the one that played in Knoxville. But the other thing

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Speaker 1: is Tesse is really good and they and they're just

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Speaker 1: not gonna lose at home and they haven't lost a

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Speaker 1: home game in two years, So I just I didn't

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Speaker 1: think Kentucky was gonna win that no matter what. The

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Speaker 1: game to watches in the SEC Tournament the SEC Tournament

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Speaker 1: is gonna be in Nashville. It's gonna be only Kentucky

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Speaker 1: and Tennessee fan because the SEC fans don't come to

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Speaker 1: the SEC Tournament except Kentucky and then this year Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna end up playing in the semifinals on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and I think that game is going to be for

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Speaker 1: the number one seed. It's gonna basically be a neutral court.

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Speaker 1: It will be about half Tennessee fans half Kentucky fans.

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Speaker 1: That's the game to watch. I think whoever wins that

789
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Speaker 1: game is the superior of the two teams and would

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Speaker 1: be a team I would take to go to the

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Speaker 1: final four because I think both those teams are really good.

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Speaker 1: That'll be an awesome test and what should be one

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Speaker 1: of the good college environment. Conference tournaments usually are bad environments,

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Speaker 1: but the SEC, when it's Kentucky and Tennessee in Nashville,

795
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Speaker 1: that'll be one of the best environments of the year.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned something really interesting in me before you and

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Speaker 1: Drew Franklin, who works with you in Kentucky Sports Radio,

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Speaker 1: and he's also going to be contributing to the act

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Speaker 1: your network um writing quite a bit you mentioned in

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Speaker 1: game betting, and Drew is a is a pretty hardcore,

801
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: very smart better. So tell me what he's been teaching

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00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: you about in game betting. Well, I mean, the thing

803
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Speaker 1: that I like about in game betting is finding sort

804
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: of the trends about teams. You know, I mean to me,

805
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: when you really know a team and you've watched them

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Speaker 1: a lot, like Drew and I do with Kentucky and

807
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: some of the NBA teams. You know, the rhythms, like

808
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: you know when they play poorly and when they don't.

809
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: And because in game betting, my view is because it's

810
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Speaker 1: done almost totally, it feels like with an algorithm and

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Speaker 1: not so much with feel, you can actually outsmart in

812
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Speaker 1: game betters. Now that's not scientific, but I really feel

813
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: like you can. So Like perfect example, last night, Kentucky

814
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Speaker 1: is playing Old Miss in the first it's and it's

815
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Speaker 1: on the road, and within ten minutes Kentucky is down

816
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Speaker 1: eight on the road to Old Miss. But the thing

817
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: that you don't know if you just look at that score,

818
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: is that P J. Washington, Kentucky's best player, has been

819
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Speaker 1: on the bench with foul trump And you don't under

820
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: realize that Kentucky's had wide open shots. It just missed

821
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Speaker 1: them all. And so I look at that, and now

822
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I look at the spread and

823
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: in Kentucky's getting to all of a sudden as opposed

824
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Speaker 1: to have been as five and a half point favorite

825
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: beginning the game. So all of a sudden, I'm getting

826
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Speaker 1: odds just for Kentucky to win the game. And I

827
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: still feel like they're the much better team with four

828
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: minutes to go in the first half. That to me

829
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: is an easy play. And when you do it, I

830
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Speaker 1: do it a lot for the NBA in the playoffs

831
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Speaker 1: because in the playoffs, you know in the second quarter

832
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: the best team is almost always losing for some reason.

833
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: You can make those turnabouts quick. So I always look

834
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Speaker 1: for disproportionate scores on teams that I know, and Drew

835
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: has done a really good job. He was the of

836
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Speaker 1: the two of us. He was the initiator at the

837
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: endgame stuff, and he and I will just text and

838
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: be like, you know, right now, Golden States down seventeen

839
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Speaker 1: at home to Phoenix, and you know they're coming back,

840
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: and so it's just a matter of getting in on

841
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: it at the right time. I love the end game betting,

842
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: but I also think for guys like us, it changes

843
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: everything you do to talk about betting in the pregame,

844
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Speaker 1: meaning all of a sudden it doesn't matter anymore. Well,

845
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: I agree, Listen, Drew and I, you know, we we

846
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Speaker 1: for college football and the NBA, he and I've basically

847
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: stopped betting pregame. Now college basketball, I actually still think

848
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: the end game unless you know the team is a

849
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: little tougher. But for college football in the NBA, that's

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for a while. I can't

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Speaker 1: I have to. I have to keep my humble conductab

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Speaker 1: So that's right, all right, Matt Jones, thanks for doing this, brother,

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Speaker 1: Touch you later, no problem, all right. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank Bob Scucci for coming back on the Favorites. I

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Speaker 1: he's gonna do for the Action Network along with Drew

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Speaker 1: Franklin and Kentucky Sports Radio. I am Chad Millman. This

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