1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: If I am six forty, you're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app on 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: the radio from one until four and the Johnny Kent 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: on demand podcast posted after four o'clock on the iHeart app, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: so you can catch up. 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be playing moistline calls tomorrow during the three 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: o'clock hour, so we're still collecting some messages. Use the 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app to leave a message that's the microphone icon, 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: or call the toll free number one eight seven seven 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: Moist eighty six one eight seven seven six six ' 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: four seven eight eighty six. This chapter in the criminal 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: justice system in California, remarkably is not coming from La County. 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: It's coming from Sambrendadino County. We're going to talk to 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: a former Sambordadino County Sheriff's deputy by the name of 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: Megan McCarthy, who was attacked when she was a sheriff's 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: deputy back in twenty nineteen by a man who apparently 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: was a schizophrenic. This happened in Victorville, and the reason 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: she's telling her story is she can't believe he was 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: pretty much much found not guilty of everything related to 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: this horrible day. Apparently all they found him guilty was 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: was negligent discharge of a firearm that apparently was Megan 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: McCarthy's gun. 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: This is really a bizarre, disturbing story that we're gonna 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: get Megan on now to tell it. 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 3: Megan, how are. 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: You doing pretty well? How about you, guys? 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: We're good, We're good. 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: It is it's hard to believe what happened to you 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: when you were attacked, and it's hard to believe the 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 1: outcome in court. Can you take us through what happened 31 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: the day you encountered this. Ari Young is his name. 32 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it is very heartbreaking. I will just preface 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: with that it's a very sad day, not just for 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 4: law enforcement, but for people that, unfortunately in their lives, 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 4: will become a victim of crime. So I woke up 36 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 4: that morning, I went to work. I responded to a 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 4: nine to one one call for service, a mom calling 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: about her son. All we heard on the phone through 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: dispatch was oh my god, Oh my god, get my 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: son out of here, and then the line kind of 41 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: goes dead. She's not responding to dispatch, which prompts a 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: what we call Priority one response. Which is somebody needs 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 4: to get there right now. I happen to be closest 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: in the area, so I respond, and I parked my 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 4: patrol unit and I start walking up the driveway. I 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 4: get maybe three yards actually up the driveway, and I 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: see the front door of the house open and out 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 4: comes the suspect and he's walking directly towards me, And 49 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 4: right behind him is his mom, still on the phone 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: with nine one one, and she's holding a knife in 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 4: her hands. So he walks directly towards me, and I 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: can tell that he's angry. You know, he has his 53 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: fifth clinch. He's not somebody that looks like they want 54 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 4: to have a conversation with me. So you know, I'm 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: going to try and stay away from all the you know, 56 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: cop talk. But what we go off for our training 57 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: is you base on the totality of the circumstances, which 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: with what you have at the time. So, based on 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 4: this nine one one call, the mom's asking for help, 60 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: I get there. She's in such fear. She's holding a knife, 61 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: protecting yourself from her own son. My attention goes to him, 62 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 4: so I go and I'm trying to talk to him. 63 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 4: What's going on, relax, what's going on, and I go 64 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: to conduct a pat down search of his pockets to 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 4: make sure there's no weapons, make sure there's nothing that 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: could potentially harm his mom or me or even him. 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: So right when I go, the way we conduct detentions 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: and pat down searches is you place the hands of 69 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: the small of the back, just you know, control a situation. 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: As soon as I do that, it just triggers him, 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: sets them off. I go through all the motions of 72 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 4: you know, verbal commands, relax, stop fighting, relaxed, and he 73 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: tells me thirteen seconds into our contact, I will have 74 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: but the you know expletive out of you. So I 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: know this isn't somebody that really wants to comply. And 76 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: right after he says that, he tells me if we fight, 77 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: I will kill you, and I kind of step off, 78 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 4: not directly behind his head, just in case he's trying 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 4: to head butt me. He grabs my wrist and will 80 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: not let go. We fought for a good minute and 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: a half before that video kicks on, and we end 82 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 4: up fighting to the point where I know I'm getting overpowered. 83 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: So I actually tried to use verbal commands defensive tactic techniques. 84 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 4: Nothing was working. I went to my baton, tried to 85 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: use that. He grabbed it from me and threw it. 86 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 4: Now is when the video actually kicks in. He grabs 87 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: my hair, tries to pull me down and meet me, 88 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 4: and then you see in the video he's punching me 89 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: over and over and over again, and I know I'm 90 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: losing that fight. I know that I have no other 91 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: option but to save my life. And that's when I 92 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: give him, you know, the commands that I'm gonna shoot you, 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: hoping that lastitch effort to get him to stop. And 94 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 4: you know, we all saw we fall on the ground. 95 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: He mounts me. I try and take aim at his 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: head and I miss, and then my gun ends up 97 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: above my head with his hand in mine and the 98 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 4: trigger guard. We discharge around and by the grace of God, 99 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: he takes the gun from me and it malfunctions when 100 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 4: it's pointed at my forehead. Yeah, I turn and I run, 101 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 4: trying to find cover, you know, some protection, and I 102 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 4: hear gunshot go off, and I know he's firing me 103 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: as I'm running away. Then you see my partners arrive 104 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: and they have the scene. 105 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: After that, What did they do? Shoot him? 106 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, So he takes his attention from me and he 107 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 4: starts walking down the cul de sac and he actually 108 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 4: you can hear it in the video, but he actually 109 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 4: fires around as my partners are right, and they give 110 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: him commands drop the gun, and then they engage, and 111 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 4: you know, they fire rounds back and forth, and they 112 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: end up taking him in custody and he's taken to 113 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 4: a hospital for his injuries. 114 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: Did you try to cuff him when you originally were 115 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: having a problem with them or it just wasn't time 116 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: for that. 117 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: No, And that's the thing that I think it's very 118 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: very important to talk about. So obviously it's not the 119 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 4: public's job to worry about procedural stuff with law enforcement. 120 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: That's why me and millions of others sign up to 121 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 4: do this job. But I never mentioned he was under arrest. 122 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: I actually had a lower standard of just reasonable suspicion 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 4: to believe something had occurred or was occurring. So I 124 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: never tried to place him a handcuffed. I never study 125 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: was under arrest. I was just simply making sure that 126 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: his mom, me and him were safe, and then I 127 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: was going to figure out why I was even there. 128 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: So after all of this, I still never even knew 129 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 4: why I was called there. 130 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she had the knife, which you saw, so 131 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: clearly he didn't have the weapon. You didn't find a 132 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: weapon on him, So that's how you were trying to. 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: Deal with this. 134 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: But so talk about that, the charges against him and 135 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: the whole trial situation. 136 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I believe there was six charges that were 137 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 4: filed by the district attorney against him, and the main 138 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: ones that he was acquitted of was attempt murder on 139 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 4: a police officer, assault with a deadly weapon on a 140 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: police officer. And it's obviously I'm not a lawyer, I 141 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: do not speak on behalf of that, but as somebody 142 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: who you know, went through extensive training to protect the 143 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: justice system, I don't understand how those elements didn't matter 144 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: for me, you know, just because. 145 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: What was the defense argument about attempted murder and assault 146 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: on a police officer with a firearm? I mean, you 147 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: said he had the gun right at your forehead and 148 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: it malfunctioned, and then later when you dove bind the bush, 149 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: he was still firing at you. So where is the defense. 150 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: Well, my perception of his argument and what he has 151 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: stated was I did not do my job right so 152 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 4: the suspect had every right to assault me and try 153 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: and kill me because I didn't do my job. 154 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I see a quote here that. 155 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: If you want to detage somebody, you have to have 156 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: a reasonable suspicion that they engaged in criminal activity. So 157 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: the defense attorney was telling the jury that you didn't 158 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: have that and that you kind of started this. I guess, yeah. 159 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: I mean, in so many words, he basically painted a 160 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 4: picture like I failed to do my job, so he 161 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: had every right to conduct those actions after the fact 162 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: he was in self defense of me when I never 163 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: punched him, I never tried to arrest him. I never 164 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: tried to escalate the situation to anything other than trying 165 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: to investigate. And you know, I think that's another thing 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: that we can probably do a better job of educating people, 167 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 4: is the actual standard set by you know, police officer guidelines, 168 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: that that is what a detention is there for. And 169 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: I think somehow, some way that got misconstrued during trial, 170 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: and it works. 171 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: What who's on this jury? 172 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: People susceptible to this idea that cops are violent and 173 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: evil and detained people. 174 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: You were, You were the problem that day. 175 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: You know, I never want to assume what somebody thinks. 176 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 4: But when I sat up there for three days being 177 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: cross examined, that was the picture that I was seeing 178 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: being painted was law enforcement is not allowed to be 179 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: a victim of something. You know, law enforcement can't be 180 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 4: assaulted to the point where you could bruise and break 181 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: someone's face. And if you are under the belief, not 182 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: by the law, that somebody didn't do their job right, 183 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 4: you can shoot and kill them, especially a law enforcement officer. Like, 184 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 4: how can we even set that precedence? How can you 185 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: even tell people that. 186 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: What did the schizophrenia enter into this with the jury, 187 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: that he had schizophrenia? 188 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 4: Well, just on my knowledge, I had never heard that before. 189 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 4: The schizophrenia was something that I read yesterday. If that 190 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: was introduced at court, I never heard it. I was 191 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: only there for my testimony because I wasn't allowed to 192 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: be there for others. So you know, I can't speak 193 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: on that. I just can speak on what I know. 194 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't understand what you were supposed to do differently, though. 195 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love your quoted a story I was called 196 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: to the house. 197 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: I saw a situation as a woman in fear for 198 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: her life, She's on with a knife, I've ever read 199 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: to believe that maybe he has a weapon. 200 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see what you do. 201 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: You were trying to see if he had a weapon. 202 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: He was agitated, he was angry with you, he was 203 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: angry with his mother. He was clearly capable of blowing, 204 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: and if he had a weapon on him, somebody was 205 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: going to get hurt or killed. So you had to 206 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: first find out if he had a weapon, and then 207 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: you go on from there. 208 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: I had no idea what that jury was thinking. 209 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, and I'm no expert on police procedure, 210 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: you did exactly what I would hope you would do 211 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: if I was that mother. 212 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: And that was. 213 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: Exactly what I thought too. I thought, you know, I 214 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: met somebody at the worst day of their life, and 215 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: by the grace of God, a malfunction saved my life. 216 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: But there was no time in any of these three 217 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: years and nine months i've been battling this, you know, 218 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: reliving nightmare, where I ever stopped and thought, man, I 219 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 4: did my job wrong. I know that I did exactly 220 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: what posts. It's the police officer stan and training. That 221 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 4: is what they teach you. When I went to patrol, 222 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: that is what they teach you. There is I would 223 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: be derelict in my duty? Is if I didn't do that? 224 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: Because for my perception, when I arrived and his mom, 225 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 4: his own mom is standing there holding a knife and 226 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: she's calling about him. My reasonable suspicion is that he 227 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: has done something to her that she has had to 228 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 4: arm herself. 229 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: That's why you called it. 230 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: No, it's entirely reasonable, and you have to make a 231 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: decision in a split second. And you didn't hurt him 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: that there was nobody hurt here. 233 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 4: No, I never fed him. I mean, I tried to 234 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: defend myself after the fact, but I never did anything 235 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: that escalated to that point. 236 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: Wow at all. 237 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: The final question is this why you're a former deputy 238 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: or did was this ordeal too much? 239 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: Did you do you stepped away or what happened? 240 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 4: Well? I was medically retired March of last year for PTSD, 241 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 4: so it was a bit of a battle that I 242 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: had with the doctors that recommended I was not fit 243 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 4: for duty anymore. Mental health and first responders is very real. 244 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 4: It's something that I'm very passionate about advocating for because 245 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: it's kind of taboo in our line of work, and 246 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 4: you know, there was there was a great part of 247 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 4: me that I did not want to let this go. 248 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: I loved my job. I woke up that day trying 249 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: to do my job and the fact that it was 250 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 4: taken from me has always been very hard to accept. 251 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 4: But I know that that day scarred me to the 252 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: point of no return. I can't be a cop anymore. 253 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: And that's okay because I lived. I lived that day. 254 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: Well, Megan, thank you so much for sharing your story 255 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 2: with us, and believe me, everything we've seen and heard, 256 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: you were doing your job. 257 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: That day, and thank god you're alive. Thank you for 258 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: coming so much. All Right. 259 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: That's former San Berndino County Sheriff's deputy Megan McCarthy telling 260 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: her story of an ordeal she had with the apparently 261 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: a mentally ill man during a domestic violence call back 262 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, where she could have been shot to death. 263 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: And the shocker is he basically wasn't found. 264 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 3: Guilty of that. 265 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: The anti police virus has infected enough people now that 266 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: you can get a jury to let him go after 267 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: firing at a police officer and nearly blowing her head off. Now, 268 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: if she said the gun now function, thank god, that 269 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: that's that's what all this rhetoric does, all the slogan earring, 270 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: all this. 271 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: Defense lawyers use it. 272 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: She wasn't doing her job, by the way, the evil 273 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: defense lawyer Raj Maleen ra j M A L I 274 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: N E. 275 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: Well good he got to this jury. 276 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: More coming up Johnny Ken KFI AM six forty Live 277 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: everywhere iHeartRadio app. 278 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on Demand from KFI 279 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 280 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: We're on the air from one til four after four 281 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: the podcast Johnny Ken on Demand. 282 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: Now we should add this. We just talked to a 283 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: woman by the name of Megan McCarthy. She he was 284 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: this San Bernardino County Sheriff's deputy back in twenty nineteen 285 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: when she and these are always awful, these domestic violence calls. 286 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: There's a mother holding a knife and her crazy son 287 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: coming outside the house. And as you heard Megan's story, 288 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: eventually they struggled and he actually got her gun and 289 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: thank god it malfunction. 290 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: Or she could be dead. 291 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: The story finally came to trial and he was basically, well, 292 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: let mean, there's the update. They did hung. They hung 293 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: on three charges battery against the peace officer, removal of 294 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: an officer's side arm and resisting arrest. 295 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: That would at least be something. 296 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: I only found guilty of negligent discharge of a firearm right, 297 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: so I just wanted to add this first. There is 298 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: a pre trial hearing June thirtieth. They may be coming 299 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: back with those charges against him. This is not over. 300 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: It was just a hung jury. He should have gotten 301 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: the attempted murder conviction, though, is that they did. They 302 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: found him not guilty of attempted murderer and assault with 303 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: a firearm in a peace officer. 304 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: I think this is a very very bad sign on 305 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: how this anti police virus has has. 306 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: Infected everybody use it. 307 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: Because I didn't hear anything in this story that made 308 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: the guy his name is very young, sympathetic. 309 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: He seemed angry, scary, except the schizophrenia, which some people 310 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: feel sympathetic. Cares. 311 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: This is what this is what cares, I said, some people, 312 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: not you. That's some idiots, some foolish people. Really, that's 313 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: just that. That is just a device people used to 314 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: excuse bad behavior and keep people from going to prison. 315 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: Whatever your reason for acting out is, you're acting out violently, 316 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: you have to be put away. You have to be 317 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: locked up because you're dangerous, and then you know, let 318 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: all the experts fight out what the cause is. I 319 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: have I have no interest in what the cause is. 320 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: He pointed a gun at her forehead and pulled the trigger, 321 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: and what else do you need to know? 322 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: I noticed to her reaction, Megan, when I said, did 323 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: you cuff them? And she's saying, well, that's the thing 324 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: they're trying to say. I didn't do my job because 325 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: they didn't have reasonable suspicion because she didn't cuff them. Well, 326 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 2: that would indicate that because that's the first thing I 327 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: thought of control his hands because this could get ugly, 328 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: and it did. But the defense lawyer's trying to tell 329 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: the jury. He gets there, the mother's holding a knife 330 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: and he's just coming out of the house, and he's angry, 331 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: but he's unarmed. Why is she acting like he's a 332 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: suspect of something? 333 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: You know what that is emotional manipulation of people who 334 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: are ready to be manipulated because they have a bias 335 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: against police. So he what he does is he figures 336 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: out okay, and I don't know what kind of profiling 337 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: he did in his head, because you know, all the 338 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: attorneys do they look at these people, and they look 339 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: at all the components and decide, Okay, I think I 340 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: know what kind of jury I got. I think I 341 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: know what they're going to be susceptible to. And he 342 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: decided they're susceptible to an anti cop argument that she 343 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: was the aggressor, that she was the violent one, and 344 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: it actually flipped the case. That's fascinating that people are 345 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: that foolish and stupid to fall for that. 346 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: The defense attorney, we've talked. 347 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: About a mirage, Maleine, said, oh, well, if you look 348 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: at the video and again, in case we didn't talk 349 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: about this, a neighbor did shoot video of this, not 350 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: all of what happened, but got there with the struggle 351 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: over the gun. He said, oh, it looks bad you 352 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: look at it a first glance the video, but when 353 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: he fired the gun, if you don't ever look at 354 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: it again or don't study it, it looks like my client 355 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: is shooting at the deputy because he was. She ran 356 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: towards a bush. It was not in the direction that 357 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: he fired the gun. We know exactly where she went, 358 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: which was due south, and we know where he fired 359 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: because there's a bullet hole in the garage, which shows 360 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: he fired, which is northeast. So you see, so he 361 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: co completely opposite of her direction. He completely confused the jury. 362 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: This must have really been a bag of vegetables. I mean, 363 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: this really was mixed vegetables. 364 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean the the part really. 365 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: Yes, he shot at her, but he pulled the trigger 366 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: with the gun at her forehead. 367 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 2: What else do you need to know? I don't know 368 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: if the if the prosecution was was off. 369 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: Its game here. I don't know how you did not 370 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: win this case. I don't know how he ends up 371 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: walking away with one light charge against him. 372 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: It's just it's a smell. 373 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: Maybe not like I said, hung jury, they may try 374 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: him on those three charges, right, the attempted murdered charges 375 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: off the table. 376 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good one because you probably don't get much 377 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: time in jail. 378 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 1: And he's still gonna come out with the with the uh, 379 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: with the schizophrenia, and you know that's not gonna be treated. 380 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: America's mental illness. Gotta love it. 381 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken kf I AM six forty were live everywhere. 382 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: It's the iHeartRadio app. 383 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 384 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 5: AM sixty. 385 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna sneeze. 386 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: We're on the air to four and then after four 387 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: o'clock the iHeart app for the Johnny Ken on demand podcast. 388 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: Perfect because because Mayor Bessetti tested positive for COVID, you 389 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: might have it too. 390 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: Have you been with her? Excuse me? Did you attend 391 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: in a function a super spreader? Do you know what 392 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: cracked me up about her announcement? She said it after 393 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: a routine test. It's like a routine test because she's 394 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: always mingling with the public, she said. 395 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: Ris, she's still there's still routine tests going on. 396 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: Free some people and very sensitive. 397 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: And year four, it's the fourth year of this and 398 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: she's taken a stick up the nose what every week? 399 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 3: Twice a week. 400 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna decided whether or not come September, if I 401 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: get a flu shot, I'm gonna get another COVID booster. 402 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, those boosters aren't doing much, are they. 403 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 3: Well, they're all worn off. 404 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 2: The last one I had as many months, like nine 405 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: months ago, so probably doesn't have any doesn't do any help. 406 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: I don't know what her last booster was. 407 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: But again, though a booster doesn't stop you from getting 408 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: covidjoh Cobeld it just makes the symptoms and the illness 409 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: less severe. 410 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: It should you. 411 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: Always acted like this as Superman. It bounces off. You 412 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: get the other the other vaccines. I've taken the other vaccines, right. 413 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: You know, anybody who's had mumps or it's gotten the 414 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: very mild mumps, I don't know. We didn't even know 415 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: you had it. All those other diseases. We got shot 416 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: up for polio. 417 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: You don't see anybody with polio these days, do you 418 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: Probably not the same kind of infection. 419 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 3: But I don't know. These vaccines were half asked, apparently. 420 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: Because it is more like the flu, and you know 421 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: the flu vaccine is so that never worked. 422 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: That doesn't always. Uh. 423 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: Also, Good Times did a story which is fascinating and 424 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: incredibly long. It's about ATM fraud and basically what it is. 425 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 2: It's people who are ripping off the food stamp carts. 426 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: I'm still gonna call them food stamps, but these are 427 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: they're called. You ever drive past the fast food restaurant, 428 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: there's just a big sign of the window we accept 429 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: EBT Electronic Benefit Transfer carts. That's the food stamps. That's 430 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: how they've been for years now. They use cards. But 431 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 2: the problem with these cards. And if you have regular 432 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: credit cards, you may understand there's no chip in the 433 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: state EBT cards for food stamp recipients, and without the chip, 434 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: somebody with the skimmer can pick up your data information, 435 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: make up a phony card, go to. 436 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: The bank on the EBD day. 437 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: And withdraw money. And the real catch in this story 438 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: is they're coming from Romania to do it. I am 439 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: not kidding you. Apparently a lot of people. I'm not 440 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: gonna say a lot by making you think it's millions, 441 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: but a number of Romanians have come to California because 442 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: they learned this is an easy way to make some 443 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: money by ripping off. 444 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: The EBT cards at the ATMs. 445 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: The story centers around a man by the name of 446 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: Virgil Negru, who is a politician. 447 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: You see if that makes sense. 448 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: Did you see his much shot. I did see his 449 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: much shot. He's a grim looking guy, but his head 450 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: is a perfect rectangle. It looks like it got squeezed 451 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: in advice. Yeah, and he's got quite the beard and 452 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: the face and the beady eyes, and those beady eyes 453 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: are really close together. 454 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 3: He looks like a murderer. He's not accused of murder. 455 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of genetic diversity in 456 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: his village. 457 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: He's on the Afori City council in Romania. A Forie, 458 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: Romania population in about eleven thousand. He's on the city council. 459 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: They haven't seen him for months. They're wondering where he went. 460 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: He's in jail. 461 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: He went to Hollywood and made it, made it big. 462 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: He's stealing the food stamp cards. Yeah, he's in jail. 463 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: He has spent the last sixty nine days in custody 464 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: in Ventura County's main jail because he's been stealing cash 465 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: meant for low income Californias. 466 00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 3: He's in April. 467 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: First Valley police staked out in ATM and they arrested him. 468 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: He possessed forged cards loaded with taxpayer funds. He's among 469 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: dozens of Romanians at I have come to the region 470 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: to steal cash and food staff benefits. 471 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: So this is like a mob. 472 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: The word gets around, Yeah, a mob of Romanians California. 473 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: They're really stupid out there, and you can easily skimmed 474 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: to cotton. 475 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: It sound like Schwartzenegger, but he's well, they're right, we 476 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: are really stupid out here. 477 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 3: They didn't. 478 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: They didn't travel to the other forty United States for 479 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: this for this racket, did they. 480 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: No, California has lost more than eighty six million dollars 481 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: in stolen food stamps and cachet in the last year. 482 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: Look look at this. This, this line, This sums up California. 483 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: The Romanians are lured by the large number of people 484 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: in public assistance. Yeah, we got one third of the 485 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: country's welfare cases and weak security on the cards. 486 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: Since last spring, at least sixty people, nearly all of 487 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: them with connections to Romania, haven't arrested or charged on 488 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: suspicion of theft involving the forged EBT cards. Yeah, what 489 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: John's talking about. We need to really spend a lot 490 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: of time on because this is our tax money. So 491 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: further on down in the story, they finally talked to 492 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: one of these government hacks about why the cards haven't 493 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: been chipped, and he does this dance. 494 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 3: That he's day. He complicated. It's really complicated. It's not complicated. 495 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: Pull out your visa card in your American Express, pull 496 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: out your Bank of America debit card. 497 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: Jason got chips. Jason Montil, a spokesperson for the agency, said, 498 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: there's not a specific timeline when we're going to implement 499 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: cards with chip technology. 500 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: The Department is actively working to develop and deploy the 501 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: use of chip and tap technologies on EBT cards, but 502 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 2: it's complex technological changes required to get it done. No, really, 503 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: And all the credit card companies. 504 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: Do it, yeah, and all the banks do it. All 505 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: the debit cards have him now, everybody the debit cards 506 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: from the major banks. 507 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and all the credit cards from all the 508 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: banks have it. And the chips have been around for 509 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: years now. So he's full of crap. It's not complicated. 510 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: You just have to sign the contract and they'll start 511 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: manufacturing the cards. The banks and the credit card companies 512 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: produce billions of these cards, billions of them. 513 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 3: What the hell was he talking about that now this 514 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: next paragraph. 515 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: In the meantime, local and federal authorities continue to make arrests, 516 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: although some say the rest have been a week to terrant. 517 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: Those facing state charges have usually been released on bail 518 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: and their own recognizance, and often they just disappear. They 519 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: go back to Romania with a big boat of money. 520 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 2: They're taking advantage of our awfully weak food stamp card 521 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: program right to steal the money, and then they're taking 522 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: advantage of our weak criminal justice system to just oh okay, 523 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: I'll be back, sure, I'll come back to court to 524 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: face and they're gone. 525 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: Isn't this the fourth ripoff story we've had in the 526 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: last year or so of the between guy the unemployment 527 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: money and what was the one we had earlier this week? 528 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: We got community college, community college financially and then. 529 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if those are Romanians and he was 530 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: doing that, but why just Romanians? 531 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 3: Where are the Croatians? Uh? 532 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: By the way, John, people back in Romania describe him 533 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: as a decent politician. 534 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: Oh h, of course he's a politician. 535 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: He steals tax money, but I guess he ran out 536 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: of Romanian tax money to steal soro game here. 537 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: Loco miura Veru, who owns a grocery store near the 538 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: city hall, said he's on the people side. One customer 539 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: remembered Negrew helping her get central heating delivered to her 540 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: social housing block. 541 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: Social housing. 542 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: Is Romania one of these kind of countries that believes 543 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 2: in the socialist government policies. 544 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's an Eastern European country, I know, 545 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: but I don't know. 546 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: Much about how they and I don't know anything about Romania, 547 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: but the social housing. 548 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 3: We just heard that social housing means government housing, you know. 549 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: They they have another story about arresting a group of 550 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: these Romanian men who said they were all from Transylvania. Yeah, 551 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: my god, a group of vampires. 552 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: Is trying to dodge their origins. Or I didn't know 553 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: as a kid that Transylvania was a real place. It 554 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 3: doesn't exist. I thought that was. 555 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: Just the home for the fictional vampires. 556 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: That's a real location. 557 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it's said. Oh and by the way, 558 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: apparently was riding around town in a new Audi. 559 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: Come to America. We're really really Our government is so stupid. 560 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: Our bureaucrats are so stupid. You could walk away with 561 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: millions of dollars not even trying. 562 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: Points out how much our government is always so far behind. 563 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: Can't get a chip into a card. Remember we found 564 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: out years ago the DMV didn't even take credit cards. 565 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Because they didn't. 566 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: They do nothing all day. They do nothing. 567 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: They just sit at their stupid desks and probably watch 568 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: Porner all day with their pants. 569 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: Around their ankles. And then they'll always say we need 570 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: more funding, give us more money. 571 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're full of it. They're they're their own kind 572 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: of scam artists. I mean, this guy, at least he 573 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: traveled halfway around the world from Romania. Right, he's got 574 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: a network of other Romanians. They figured out how to 575 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: how to work the ATM card scam. They're running back 576 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: home with with thousands and thousands of dollars. Our guys 577 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: just sit there and rip us off. They get fat paychecks, 578 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: six figures, wats of benefits, healthcare, and they do nothing 579 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: but give away our tax money to thieves and fraudsters. 580 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: All right, we'll be right back. 581 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken caf I AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 582 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 583 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 584 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: Well, the best way to describe him is this person 585 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: that constantly is crying for attention. Come out up after 586 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: the news at three o'clock, will be at the Gavin 587 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: newsom is maybe is is not running for president desk. 588 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: He made news this morning because he wants to add 589 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: an amendment to the Constitution, his own amendment. I got 590 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 2: his own idea for an amendment. I thought that story 591 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: this morning was a gag. I really did. I go, 592 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: this can't be the twenty eighth amendment. I am proposing 593 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: the twenty eighth amendment. We mean, you're proposing to who 594 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: what's your what's your standing to propose an amendment? I 595 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: already run out of juice on the migrant flight story. 596 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: Yeah for that, the abortion stories, and now he's turning 597 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: to the gun story again. 598 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: You notice how he's jumped off that train. Yeah, well 599 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: that's a dead end. Yeah, because that's a derailment. 600 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: Once. Once DeSantis showed the paperwork in the video, suddenly 601 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: there aren't kidnapping charges. 602 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the kidnapping charges. 603 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's been what four days now, we should 604 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: have kidnapping charges under santas well. 605 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: He went on the Today Show today, dude, still talk 606 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: about perhaps some charges. 607 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: All right, here's the thing he seems to I wonder 608 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: if he gets inside information. He's acting like he knows 609 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: Biden's going down, that something bad's gonna happen with Biden's 610 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: positioning himself. Yeah, yeah, he's actively positioning self. He's the 611 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: only Democrat in the news every day. Every day is 612 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: a new hot button issue that has nothing to do 613 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: with California. Right, abortion has nothing to do with us, right, 614 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: and the migrant flights were very minor, and now suddenly 615 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: his twenty eighth amendment. 616 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm right, he's focusing on the shootings that have been 617 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: going on. 618 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: It's right outside of California, but he's trying to make 619 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: a case nationally, right, that he's going to do something different. 620 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: None of it has to do with daily California business 621 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: or the top ten major California issues that he's oh. 622 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: No, okay, doesn't have any interest in the governor anymore, right, right, exactly, 623 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: And he's got a huge war chest of money, right, 624 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: so he's not interested. So every day he's in the 625 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: news with a national issue. 626 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: And this is not an election cycle for if Biden 627 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: really is running, it's not the only way Biden doesn't 628 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: get the nomination is if he drops out of the 629 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: race or he has some serious physical or mental collapse. 630 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: So what does he know about Biden? Why is he 631 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: why is he in place ready to jump on his corpse? 632 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: Right, We'll get to that after the news at three o'clock. 633 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: We're now going to talk about this attack at a 634 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: park in France. Quite a story this morning. If you 635 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: have seen the video, A thirty one year old guy 636 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: described as a Syrian asylum seeker went into a park 637 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: in the French Alps and started stamping people, including babies. 638 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: We have four children and two adults who were stabbed 639 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: or All four children were under the age of five 640 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: and are considered in very serious condition. One adult has 641 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: suffered also life threatening injuries. The motive they're still trying 642 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: to figure out, but we've learned a few things about 643 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 2: this attack. A Syrian national who got refugee status in 644 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: Sweden ten years ago and did come into France legally. 645 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: His name is Abdalmash. 646 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: I guess his last name is just being used as an. 647 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: H He was found with Swedish identity documents and a 648 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: Swedish driving license Earlier this month, his demand for asylum 649 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: in France was rejected, so that may have been one 650 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: of the things that said. 651 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: Up, why did he need asylum from Sweden? No in France? 652 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: No? 653 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: But but right, but he was in Sweden. Why did 654 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: he have to leave Sweden. 655 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: I don't know why he had to leave Sweden for 656 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: France and then to request asylum in France from Sweden. 657 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. 658 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: I've read they've not been real welcoming to the refugees 659 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: who the Scandinavian countries. 660 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: Oh well, he also made asylum requests in Switzerland and Italy, 661 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: So this is about never being sent back to Syria. 662 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 2: Is that what it really is? If you get asylum, 663 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 2: you have more permanent status. I guess, I don't know. 664 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: He is married to a Swedish woman, Yeah, it seems, 665 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 2: but they separated eight months ago and his wife has 666 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: not heard from him about half the time. On reports 667 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: they were studying together to be nurses. 668 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 3: Probably just a nut. He had certain Christian religious insignia 669 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: on him and apparently he was naming his yelling out 670 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ's name as he walked around with his knife. 671 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,959 Speaker 3: All right, just a crazy person. 672 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he shouted on name of Jesus Christ as 673 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: he waved the knife in the air. You can see 674 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 2: people trying to corral him in, but they're keeping their 675 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: distance because he's got a pretty sharp knife, so they're 676 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: not sure what to do, got it. One adult attempted 677 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: to stop the attacker, waving his backpack toward him as 678 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: he was threatened with the weapon. He got near a 679 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 2: woman and a child and there was screaming and everybody 680 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: was running and it was a pretty wild scene in 681 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: France today with this wild attacker. All right, when we 682 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: come back, we'll be at the gavenuwsome maybe Riz was 683 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 2: thinking about running for president desk. He made another moved 684 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 2: today to get attention. He wants the twenty eighth Amendment 685 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: to the United States Constitution. 686 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 3: Next week he'll be taking off his clothes. You think 687 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 3: that'll draw a crowd. 688 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: That'll if he wants attention so badly, Eventually people are 689 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: gonna stop covering him. He's I mean, he's blown through 690 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: the hot button issues too rapidly. 691 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 2: Here all right, Johnny Ken Show, KFI I AM six 692 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: forty live everywhere, iHeartRadio app. 693 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 3: And Devor Mark Latin in the twenty four hour Cafine Newsroom. 694 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 695 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on CAFI AM six 696 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 697 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.