1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Laurie, Welcome to the Son of a Butch podcast. We're 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: here in Dubai. You were on the cusp of getting 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: a PGA Tour card off the dp World one tournament left, 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody can jump you, But I 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: mean the holy grail. I think for everybody that plays, 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, wants to be a professional golfers to get 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: an opportunity to play on the PGA Tour, has that 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: been a dream of yours? And tell me kind of 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: how you're feeling about it going into this kind of 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: last tournament here in Dubai, the race for Dubai all 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to play for. But I think you're safe mathematically. But 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: what would it mean to you to get a PGA 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Tour card? 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think you've summed out well. 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: I think it's I grew up in the UK, so 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: we always watched the PGA Tour in the evenings, So 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: a lot of my memories of it, and I guess 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: a lot of the kind of esteem that comes of 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: the tour for us in the UK's you know, it's 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: so much primetime viewing. You watch it every evening the 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: Saturdays and the Sundays, and watching Tiger and Phille and 22 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: whoever it was playing and contend of these massive events. Yeah, 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: I think that the kind of history that's involved with 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: them makes the events and makes the tour clearly the 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: top place in terms of the standard and level and 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: history in terms of a tour that there is. So yeah, 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: I guess I've got a great opportunity this week to 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: kind of I'm going to say, keep myself in the 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: top ten of a card. I mean, I'd obviously like 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: to reframe that and try and push on and have 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: a great week and have a really good finish on 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: the race Dubui. But yeah, I mean to get a 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: card and what that would mean the potentially my career 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: and all that stuff. It is exciting and it is 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: the place that I think every professional golfer would want 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: to go and test themselves. 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: We'll get to kind of what's going on present day 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: in a minute. But you didn't start playing golf until 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: you were thirteen that I mean, there are a lot 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: of people that will be listening to this. I mean, 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: we've got our junior program here in Dubai. I've got 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, juniors that I work with in the US 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. That's kind of a late start 44 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: as a thirteen year old. What kind of took you 45 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: to golf and why? From most people that are going 46 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: to I mean, you're going to be playing on the 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: PGA Tour next year. There aren't a lot of people 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: that are going to be playing on the PGA Tour 49 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: next year that started golf when they were thirteen. I mean, 50 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: most people are starting much much younger. Why the late 51 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: start and do you feel like starting late has helped 52 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: you in any way? 53 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: I think. 54 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: It's like an interesting question because my background was tennis, 55 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: so I was played national tennis basically from the age 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: of you know, I was. I started tennis at three 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 3: or four and was in national British squads kind of 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: when I stopped. And I think that grounding that star 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: was a massive help because I saw the time it takes, 60 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: the effort it takes. I think tennis as well physically 61 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: is a tough sport. We had to do conditioning, we 62 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: had to do long days. I would do basically two 63 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: hours at tenths for four school, two hours after school. 64 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: I'd have you know, kind of like FLEXIBILITYO classes, conditioning session, 65 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. At ten, eleven, twelve years old, 66 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: so I think that background maybe athletically helped me, but 67 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: also knowing what perhaps it took I think was really important. 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: So when I started at thirteen, I got to kind 69 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: of scratch within basically two and a half three years 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: of playing, and that I think was because for me, 71 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: going and practicing six or eight hours a day didn't 72 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: feel like work, didn't feel like a big deal. I 73 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: wanted to do it, and I guess feeling like I 74 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: was trying to catch people up was a good mindset 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: for me. And you know, I also think potentially, especially 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: now with a sport like golf, just my observations would 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: be it's obviously a precision sport and it requires a 78 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: lot of kind of closed loop practice if you like 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: block block practice to get your swing, get your mechanics correct. 80 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: But if you don't have the athletic base, I think 81 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: more and more of you don't have the ability to 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: swing the club. I'm going to say a kind of 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: producing bull speed of mid in the mid one seventies, 84 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: Let's say then there's sort of people who are coming 85 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: out on tour. Now it's getting harder and harder and harder, 86 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: and I think actually not specializing early in the sport is, 87 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: you know, is important. I think it's important to have 88 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: a kind of a wide base of athleticism. And I 89 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: think tennis, in my respect, gave me that, you know, 90 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: i'd kind of moved and always run after balls and 91 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: then you know, mastered a technical thing with a racket. 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: It's not not the same as a golf club. But 93 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: actually movement is there are lots of as you'll know 94 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 3: better than better than most, there's there's a lot of 95 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: things across over and having that awareness within your body 96 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: outside of just the spare of golf, I think it's 97 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: really I think it's a really I think it's a 98 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: big advantage and I think more kids should potentially not 99 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: specialize as early in school. 100 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: I think that is something so important for the listeners 101 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: to hear. I think I see so many kids that, 102 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the hardest kids for me to work with 103 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: are like yourself. They're thirteen, fourteen years old, They've been 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: playing nothing else but golf since they were seven, eight, 105 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: nine years old. They're not very athletic. And one of 106 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: the things I think that has changed over the last 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the Tiger Woods effect made people realize, Okay, listen, golf, 108 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: golfers can be athletes. And I think the work that 109 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: Greg Rose and Dave Phillips have done at the Titleist 110 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: Performance Institute to where their whole kind of junior golf 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: ethos is train players to be athletes first, and then 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: it's much easier to make an athlete a golfer than 113 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: a non athlete a golfer. You mentioned because I played 114 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: ten growing up, I didn't play a lot of golf 115 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: growing up. I mean we were kind of told golf 116 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: was a very very specific sport, right, It was very unique. 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't like everything else. And I do think that 118 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: it's important to realize that a lot of the athletic 119 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: motions that you're making are going to be very similar 120 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: to a ford. So the golf swing will wind up 121 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: the way that you're transferring your way, the way that 122 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: you're moving, the way that the sequence of events. I 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: always say to people that golf should be the easiest 124 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: of the sports because the ball isn't moving, it's always 125 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: in the right place. Tennis, you don't know where the 126 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: ball is going to be coming from you. It's kind 127 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: of random. The movement of a forehand and the movement 128 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: of your golf swing. If you ever find yourself thinking 129 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: in tennis terms about the movement pattern you're trying to 130 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: make from a golf standpoint, Yeah. 131 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: I mean I've gone into it probably deferent than I shared. Obviously, 132 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: we're golf as we overthink everything. Well, some of us do, 133 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: and I guess some of us are on the other 134 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: end of the spectrum. I'm someone who likes to think 135 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: deeply about things that I kind of have to go 136 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: through that process to create clarity in my own mind. 137 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, for example, my back swinging golf, I get 138 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: extremely along with my right arm and then I kind 139 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: of have like a in my transition, I'll kind of 140 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: have a tendency for the club to kind of almost 141 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: fall and pull in transition, and that that is effectively 142 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: a tennis four. And the more I think about it, 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: if you're teaching someone to play a tennis four, and 144 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: it would be kind of hot, like high right elbow 145 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: and then load to hide through the ball, you get 146 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: your right elbow out in front of your ribcage or 147 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: kind of furt the out in front of your hip, 148 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: I should say. And there's so many things across over 149 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: with it. So it's yeah, to your point, I agree. 150 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: I agree with that totally. And if you look to 151 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: my swing, and actually I play some golf with people 152 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: who used to play ten a professionally, they all do 153 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: very similar things, don't they Like they're very like I 154 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: think they're very very wide bit wooden almost in the 155 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: back swing perhaps, But then I think you kind of 156 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: see that athleticism in the down swing. It's almost like 157 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: they're preparing their body and then the kind of the 158 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: DNA or they remember, if you like, how how to move, 159 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: how to put pressure on the ball. So and that's 160 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting what you're saying about. You were 161 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: taught a very specific way to play golf and that 162 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: you know, it was there were kind of boxes you 163 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: had to tick, and I do see that with potentially 164 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: people who've played golf for a long time. The backswing 165 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: looks it doesn't look like they're preparing to hit the 166 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: ball with a down swing. It looks like they're jumping 167 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: through a series of hoops to put the club in 168 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: the correct position at iwan or E two or wherever 169 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: it might be versus you know, effectively of the ball 170 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: is the target like it is in tennis, and your 171 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: body will organize itself around that and letting it do 172 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: that is probably a pretty underrated thing in golf and 173 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: certainly golf coaching, And that's why I do think coaching 174 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: golf is a very hard thing to do well because 175 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: you have to tap into a lot of different systems 176 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: within players. And I've never taught anyone, but I've observed 177 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: lessons and had a lot of lessons myself, and it's 178 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: it is a very it's a very tricky thing to 179 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: get the language right, and a lot of time, I 180 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: think as the player, we're going to feel more than 181 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: the coach sees, so our feedback is important. So golf 182 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: coach and the guys who do it well, like yourself, 183 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: I think there's you know, you must have pulled it 184 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: here at times with asking people to do something and 185 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: they maybe just interpret it the wrong way and do 186 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: the complete opposite. So yeah, it's it's a fascinating sport 187 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: in that respect. 188 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Well when I look, because I follow a lot of 189 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: tennis sites because growing up I played high school tennis 190 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: and didn't play a lot of golf. So I'm fascinated 191 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: by tennis. It's a sport that I follow. If you 192 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: think about some of the things that we're trying to 193 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: do in golf and the way that they kind of 194 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: mirror a tennis forehand. You know, the the best forehands, 195 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: the contact point is always way way out in front. 196 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: You don't want to let the ball get to you 197 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: because then your arm gets short. So when I look 198 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: at kind of slow motions of modern forehands, there's that 199 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: contact point which is way out in front, and then 200 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: you kind of do the windshell wiper to get the 201 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: top spin. To me, that translates a lot into what 202 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: we look at with the difference between players like you 203 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: self that play professionally low point something that we can 204 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: test now with launch monitors. The average golfer that low 205 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: point is behind the golf ball, causes them to hit 206 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: it thin, causes them to hit it fat. Where the 207 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: best players in the world that contact the low point, 208 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: that shaft lien is way out in front. So when 209 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking at golf swings, I think in my own brain, 210 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: when I'm looking at a player's golf swing, I look 211 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: at it a lot of tennis ideas. The way the 212 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: weight transfers, the way the sequence, the way the body works. 213 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: It's rare that we see golfers that played other sports 214 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: to a fairly high level, and I think not specializing 215 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: in something really really early for all the parents listening 216 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: or for junior golfers, I think that is hugely important. 217 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: That's something that we are trying to talk to parents 218 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: and kids about now. If you're playing other sports, play 219 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: them as long as possible. What do you think playing 220 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: another sport can bring to you as a golfer when 221 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: you're younger. 222 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I think just having a really wide athletic 223 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: basis number one. Like if we're going to pay a 224 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: big breakfast bort cross country running to tennis, to hockey, 225 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 3: to American football or football or whatever it might be, 226 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 3: you're going to have a lot of different stuff. I mean, 227 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: another skill that you really pick up, especially in team sports, 228 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: is learning to speak and interact with other people in 229 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: a team environment under pressure, which I think again is 230 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: if you look at golfers, the best golfers tend to 231 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: be able to operate and be their best in that environment, 232 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: be themselves in that environment, And I think that comes 233 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: from so like basic social interaction, learning to get on 234 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 3: with their caddy, having systems that work, and that's really 235 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: hard to do, by the way, like that as people, 236 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: that's I'm saying that like it's easy, but it's actually 237 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: very hard because you get very small windows to really 238 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: find out what you do well under pressure, and then inevitably, 239 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 3: when you mess that up a few times, you've then 240 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: got You've got to have the level of reflection to say, 241 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: how do we improve that? And I think you learn 242 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: a lot of those skills through other sports. I think again, 243 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: if you just look at golf, you know, you can 244 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: analyze a round a bits, doesn't matter best player in 245 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 3: the world or a thirty handicap. We all analyze our 246 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: rounds at the end of it. But it's doing that 247 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: in a way where you can get a kind of 248 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: tangible benefit to your next round. And I grew up 249 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: playing a lot of team sports where you would have 250 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: review sessions with coaches. They would highlight on video or 251 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 3: from their own notes about specific parts of the game 252 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: that went wrong, and then you'd ask questions and they wouldn't. 253 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: You know, you're trying and remove the kind of blame 254 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: culture from that. And you think, how right, gay all 255 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: on the table. That's a mistake. You know, why did 256 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: it happen and how can we make it not happen again? 257 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: That's basically, I would suggest what the best golfers do 258 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: in the world, either directly or intuitively, they would be 259 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: very analytical of themselves, of their team, of their caddy 260 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 3: to continually try and improve, because it's a very hard 261 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: sport to improve at over the years. Like so I'd 262 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 3: say that you know those two things, the athleticism that 263 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: you're going to get from playing a lot of different sports, 264 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: but then you know, for me, the ability to interact 265 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 3: with people in a pressure environment to try and improve. 266 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: I think. 267 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: I think one of the things, and I've said this before, 268 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: I think one of the big things team sports does 269 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: for junior golfers. So they're playing golf, but they're also 270 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: playing team sports. I think a really important lesson is 271 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: in team sports you can play really well in your 272 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: position and the team can lose, and then you can 273 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: play poorly and the team can win. And I think 274 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: those are really valuable lessons for not only golfers but 275 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: athletes mentally. To have that idea that, okay, I do 276 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: need to go out and do my job every single time. 277 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: I find it fascinating Lori that in team sports, when 278 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: you mess up in practice, there are massive consequences, right, 279 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: Like if you're in a team environment and you've got 280 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: a role to play on the team and in practice, 281 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: if you mess that up three four times in a row, 282 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: the coaches will kick you out and they'll bring other 283 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: people in. And if they take you out of the 284 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: game and practice, you don't go to another practice squad 285 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: and do what we do in golf to where we 286 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: go through all of this kind of mimic and run. 287 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: You basically just go sit on the sideline or sit 288 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: on the bench. Nobody really talks to you, nobody really 289 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: explains anything to you. And a lot of times in 290 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: team sports, the more you mess up in practice, they'll 291 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: make you go run. There's consequences, and I've always found 292 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: it really interesting that in golf there doesn't seem to 293 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: be this consequence for getting it wrong in practice, whereas 294 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: in team sports it's vital that if you're part of 295 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: a team, you've got to do your job on this play. 296 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: You've got to you've got to you got to get 297 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: back on defense, You've got to do all of this 298 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: other stuff. I've always tried to try and bring that 299 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: team practice environment to the individual sport practice environment to 300 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: say to players, listen, you just hit four snap hooks 301 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: in a row in practice, and you're not really you 302 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: don't seem to be really bothered by it. You're really 303 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: trying to get out and that team sports that just 304 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Do you feel like playing not only multi 305 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: sports but also team sports helped you when you then decided, Okay, 306 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: now I'm going to focus full time on golf. Now 307 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: this is going to be the only sport I play, 308 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: and I'm going to kind of go down this route 309 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: with golf. 310 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: Firstly, that's a really interesting take what you've said, though. 311 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: I think that's a really interesting way of looking at 312 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: all that I'm just thinking about that moment. I think 313 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: that's very smart that I guess within for me, within 314 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: team golf, within well, sorry, so reframe the question for 315 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: me whether the team sports are How. 316 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: Does being on a team and working with other people 317 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: help you in an individual sport when you're out there 318 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: by yourself. I mean, yes, for you, you've got your caddy, 319 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: but ultimately the caddie can't hit the shot, the coaches 320 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: can't hit the shots. You are the sole person in 321 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: the competition. So I'm always trying to figure out how 322 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: teams get better and how everybody on a team has 323 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: a specific job to then help the team, and I 324 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of things in team sports 325 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: that help individuals and individual sports. And I'm just wondering 326 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: if you noticed anything that you learned by being part 327 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: of a team and having to do your job within 328 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: a team framework that helps you in an individual sport. 329 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So I guess, as like a tour pro, 330 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: this is we're effectively the chief executive of a company, right. 331 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: I think that's what we're getting at. 332 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: So, but actually the kind of organizational stress of trying 333 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 3: to potentially manage that yourself and do that if you're 334 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 3: really trying to improve and get I guess to the 335 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: top level of golf, you have to delegate to a sense. 336 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean you're outsourcing responsibility because it will always 337 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: be my golf, you know. But you have to I think, 338 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: allow coaches and caddies a window into your mindset. You 339 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 3: have to be vulnerable about things. There is no point 340 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: on a Wednesday or Thursday of a tour event if 341 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: you feel like you're you're really struggling with your chipping 342 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 3: or you're driving or your putting. There isn't any point 343 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: sugarcoating that you need to take your coaching team and 344 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: say I'm having a nightmare with this area of my game. 345 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: And that's something that again I think to your point 346 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: that was my mind was worrying about consequence when which 347 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: is a really interesting point, because I think there's an 348 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: element where people in golf always want to protect confidence, 349 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: and I think that's a really important thing to protect, 350 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 3: but it's I'd say I'd probably change the word protect 351 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: to sort of foster confidence, like try and do things 352 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 3: which bring out belief, and then off the back of that, 353 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: maybe your language around it changes, attaching less importance to 354 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 3: it internally, which means I mean as Kooky's as sounds, 355 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: it does mean you'll sleep better, you'll recover better, all 356 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: those things. And because yeah, I think to take on 357 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: the fields that there are in professional golf and to 358 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: do it for four straight days and win a tallament 359 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: is so incredibly hard on your body and your mind 360 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: when you haven't done it, when you don't know what 361 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: it takes. You know, I've seen that in my own game, 362 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: and now how hard I found it to win for 363 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: the first time. I messed up a lot of tolerance 364 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: that you know, I feel like I would have won, 365 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: and it took that knowing and that slow fostering and 366 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: confidence to have that belief, and even then you need 367 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: a big bit of luck in my opinion. So I 368 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 3: think your consequence question and the idea of that is 369 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 3: something that probably in golf no one's or very few 370 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: people have really leaned into that. I've heard about stuff, 371 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: I've read books on it. As a book I read 372 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: a few years ago that it was about the Great 373 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: British Rowing Squad and it was called Will It Make 374 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: the Boat Go Faster? And it's effectively just trying to 375 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: look at all the little things that the team does 376 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 3: to your point about how you can still win the 377 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: race with someone operating less than optimally if you like, 378 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: and vice versa. And then there's obviously been the Dave 379 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: Owd books recently, who I've got a bit of a 380 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: soft spot for the kind of Dave or and stuff. 381 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 3: He's got a rugby background. I'm a big rugby guy 382 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 3: where I grew up in England and in Bath. So 383 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 3: the book that he read that I picked up and 384 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: was the Pressure Principle, and that talks a lot about 385 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: introducing consequence and constrain with your practice, and I'd openly 386 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: say I don't think all of that would be for everyone. 387 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 3: There'd be a certain personality type that just would never 388 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 3: click and would say, do you know what, I can't 389 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: I don't have the buy in that this eight foot 390 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: on the practice s green on a Tuesday in the 391 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: off season in Dubai means the same to me as 392 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: it will when I'm trying to win a tournament. But 393 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: from the as my understanding of the brain is, actually 394 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: you can trick it. You can introduce constraints and consequence 395 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: and pressure into your practice. And I'd openly say it's 396 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: something that I do bits of it now because it's 397 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 3: so spoon fed to us. There's amazing technology like track 398 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: Man where we can set up strokes gained practice and 399 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: I do that very regularly, and we we chart the 400 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: results of that and check on going in the right 401 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 3: direction with it. But ultimately, I think you almost need 402 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: someone to come in as an extra person within your 403 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: team who's the bad guy, you know what I mean, 404 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: And like, no one really likes that person him or 405 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: her who comes in and maybe introduces that, but it's 406 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: it probably is necessary, and I think it has worked 407 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: for certain personality types in golf, people who've really leaned 408 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: into that. 409 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: It's been good. 410 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: Every professional athlete, every golfer has a story. You worked 411 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: at a nine hole golf course to save up money 412 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: to go on a South African trip to play in 413 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: an amateur event. 414 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that kind of makes me sound like 415 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: I was out out out of my last I was. 416 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: I was very lucky with my with my upbringing. 417 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: I you know, my parents are very supportive of me 418 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: with tennis and golf, and they gave me a year 419 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 3: after I finished school to kind of give golf a crack. 420 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: But as part of that I had to effectively save 421 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: the money for the ticket to go and then play. 422 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: I played for two and a half months in South Africa, 423 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: played their national amateur events and ended up winning the 424 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: national Amateur, which basically got me into England squads and 425 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: begun to get me moving, I guess, in a direction 426 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: where I could think about playing golf for a living. 427 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was kind of relatively small sacrifice in 428 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: that I had three shifts a week working working, taking 429 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: one pound fifteen for nine holes as it was at 430 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: the time on the path three course. But it worked 431 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: and it was you know, it got me some dough 432 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: to go down there and start up, and that I 433 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: actually go down to so Afrika all the time. Since 434 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: I made from that trip, I've made a couple of 435 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: amazing friends and then one of them just gone on 436 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: to be a talker on the Sunshine too, And I've 437 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: just I've just I guess, as you know, in golf, 438 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: you meet so many amazing people through the ball and 439 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: that country especially is I love the country and I 440 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: like a lot of the people there, and it's it's 441 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: a very cool place to go and play golf. We 442 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 3: get to do it on the on the Deep World Tour, 443 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: which is which is fun. 444 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: You lost your card three years in a row, fifteen 445 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: to seventeen on the DP World. That's that's hard to 446 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: come back from. A lot of players, Laurie never come 447 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: back from that, right, I mean, you get on that 448 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: bad run. Everybody knows the Justin Rowe story where you know, 449 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: early on his career he missed cut after cut after cut, 450 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: that three year stretched where you're losing your card three 451 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: years in a row. Did you ever think about, you know, 452 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: just packing it in. Did you ever think, Okay, maybe 453 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: I'm not cut out for this and what did you 454 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: learn from that experience that helps you in twenty twenty 455 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: five as you're on the cusp of really the holy 456 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: grail as a professional golfer getting full status on the 457 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: PGA tour. 458 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I never thought about packing it in because, 459 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: iron large, I enjoyed it so much. You know, it 460 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 3: was even the results being poor, the being on tour, 461 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 3: traveling effectively the world, playing some brilliant events. You know, 462 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: I loved it and I probably a certainly the first 463 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 3: year was a bit of a deer and headlights situation, 464 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: had acoustical card, and then that the subsequent two years 465 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: that if you kind of looked at my stats and 466 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: my results, they got slightly better. They were getting better. 467 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: So they were still pretty rubbish, we can say, but 468 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: they were if you looked at it objectively, you'd say, okay, 469 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: as straight coverage is nudged down a bit, his finishing 470 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: positions got slightly better, and for me it felt like 471 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: the idea of keeping a card felt like a bit 472 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: of a behemoth. And it wasn't really until I got 473 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: kind of a bit more settled on the tour in 474 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: twenty twenty and had had a bit more opportunity and 475 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: then got those couple of results and then and I think, 476 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: I think, just internally, you again, whether it's your belief 477 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: system or whatever it was, I probably relaxed a bit 478 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: and thought, Okay, I don't actually don't have to play 479 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: my best to necessarily finish top ten as I had 480 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: because I'd never done it. I think I had eighty 481 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: starts for I had a top ten. I mean, that's 482 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: mad really when you think about it. So but I 483 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: think but in the last sort of I mean, yeah, 484 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 3: my career from those first eighty starts that wasn't really 485 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: a career, and then in the last one hundred starts, 486 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: I think I've won in every three events, I'm maveraging 487 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: the top five. So it's a very different kind of career. 488 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 3: And and I struggle to put my finger on why 489 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 3: other than it's you get that realization. You realize you 490 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily need the A game the whole time. You 491 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: cut yourself some slack when things aren't going well, you know, 492 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: you learn a bit more about yourself. So yeah, that 493 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: would probably be my kind of my musings on that. 494 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: Really, twenty twenty was kind of a breakout year for you. 495 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: Five top tens, you shot sixty at the Italian Open. 496 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: What did you learn from that experience to where, Okay, 497 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: you lose your card three years in a row, and 498 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: then a couple of years later you have a bunch 499 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: of top tens, you shoot sixty in a professional tournament 500 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. The change from losing your card 501 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: three years in a row to kind of finding your 502 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: feet and having that year to where you're like, Okay, 503 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: I've got some top tens, I'm in the mix, I'm 504 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: starting to shoot low scores on tour. What made you 505 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: a better player in twenty than you were when you're 506 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: losing your card in fifteen sixteen seventeen. 507 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: I think. 508 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 3: I developed some bet of shots from the tea from 509 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 3: a kind of technical ability point of view. I became 510 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: fifteen sixty and seventeen. I was kind of relatively long 511 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 3: on the tour at that stage, but I didn't have 512 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: a kind of a whole breadth of shots. I was 513 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: quite like optimized with the driver and then hopefully find it. 514 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: I developed probably three or four different tea shots which 515 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: kind of still use. And actually, you know, I had 516 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: a golf coach, Alan Thompson, who's kind of retired but 517 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: used to come out here. I used to coach myself 518 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: and Tommy Fleetwood for a bit and he was kind 519 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 3: of instrumental technically in helping me in helping me do 520 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 3: that understand my swing a bit more. But then also 521 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: I worked with a guy called Carl Morris who was 522 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: a psychologist, great psychologist, and he he was very much 523 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: about trying to find, you know, shots. He was like, 524 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: you know, forget about your swings. What shots have you 525 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 3: got today? What can you do today with it? And 526 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: I guess over time built some confidence, especially in my 527 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 3: stuff off the tee and in professional golf. Statistically, I 528 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: think approach plays the thing that people say is important, 529 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: but actually, have you hit a decent percentage of fairways 530 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 3: and you drive the ball consistently well, you're never really 531 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: out of a golf tournament, in my opinion. And I 532 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 3: think the top kind of ten twenty in the world, 533 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: if you look at them, they're all pretty strong drivers. 534 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 3: Now you don't get away with not hitting a decent 535 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: percentage of fairways and hitting it pretty long. So that 536 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: was definitely something I feel like I've begun. And that 537 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: year was a big stepping soone in kind of becoming 538 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 3: a really good driver of the ball and then from 539 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 3: there it's just been trying to tick other boxes. And 540 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 3: like I said, for me twenty twenty, it was a 541 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: belief thing. I think I stole a ninth position in 542 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 3: one of the kind of COVID events let's talk, and 543 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: I remember thinking, wow, that's the first top ten, and 544 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: then next week I came third, and it you know, like, yeah, 545 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: like every golfer, you go through these little things and 546 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: then something seems like a big deal, doesn't seem not 547 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 3: such a big deal, and yeah, and I probably had 548 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: a chance to win two events that later that year, 549 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: but at that point in time, the thing that replaced 550 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: potentially establishing myself on tour was winning and then and 551 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: that became a massive hurdle. So it's you've always got 552 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: this kind of moving target as a goal from kind 553 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: of what you're trying to achieve and what you're trying 554 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: to do. 555 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: You got your first win on DEP World in twenty 556 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: twenty four at the European Open in Germany. But you're 557 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: one of the few players that have gone to live 558 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: then DP and now you're going to play on the 559 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. A lot of people listening to the podcast 560 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: either don't like live like live or whatever, but the 561 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: decision to go because I think it's easy, Lurie. When 562 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: we look at kind of I mean, we're going into 563 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: year five on Live. A lot of people, the fans, 564 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: everybody listening to this pub there are a lot of 565 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: people that became scary rich off of going to Live right, 566 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: and the money was a huge part of it. You're 567 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: one of these guys, very similar to like Richard Bland. 568 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: It was just a choice that you made. You were 569 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: trying to get better the chapter of your life that 570 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: was Live as a reserve and then going to the 571 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: live qualifying not getting through. How did the live experience 572 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: help because I think it's easy to it's easy to 573 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: beat Live up right there. For a lot of people, 574 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: it's just easy. But there are players that I think 575 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: have really benefited from the experience in a non financial way. 576 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: It's helped them become a better player. What did you 577 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: learn in that brief period that you played on Live? 578 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: Because I'm always trying to figure out how players keep 579 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: improving and keep getting to the next level. Your experience 580 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: on Live, what do you think you'd learned from it 581 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: that has helped you as a player today? 582 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: Well, I guess me, the headlines would would be I 583 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: think lives potentially a great thing for golf. I still 584 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 3: think that from my personal standpoint, the financial stuff as 585 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: a as a golfer. You've outlined kind of my career 586 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 3: getting to the tour, trying to establish myself. 587 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: It took years and years and years and years. 588 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: And I kind of always consider myself as a just 589 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: very pro pro golfers. I think we've always buy and 590 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: large what we kill. It's one of the cool things 591 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: about the sport. And I think when you get chances 592 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: to play for that level of person money, that's like 593 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: I think, I don't know why people necessarily shy away 594 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: from saying what an opportunity to go and play for. 595 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 3: And that was really at that point in time my mindset. 596 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 3: It wasn't I wasn't getting a long term commitment. I 597 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 3: was getting the chance to place the events. In twenty 598 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: twenty two, first event was an hour from my house 599 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 3: and it was twenty five million dollars, which is you know, 600 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: the persons that we would typically play for between maybe 601 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: two and five so it's a huge amount of money. 602 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: And I never, to be honest with you, I always thought, Wow, 603 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: the financial do that, and as it evolved and I 604 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: got to play more beyond teams of your Westwardship Polters, Stenson's, Cimers, 605 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 3: McDowell's great like European heroes really and good people, you know, 606 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: like nice, nice people. I enjoyed being around them. I 607 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: learned a lot from them. It was sive benefit, you know. 608 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: I think in the I played twenty twenty two twenty 609 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 3: twenty three, I played a ten or eleven events. I 610 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: played a couple events beginning of twenty four because that 611 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: I kind of was a reserving for live. I didn't 612 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: get through the playoff in twenty three, so ended up 613 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 3: doing a bit of reserving. 614 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: And I think in that time I played with Mickelson 615 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: four times. I played with Cam Smith five times. You 616 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: learned a lot from Babel Watson. 617 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: Ost hasn't and I don't think you can't underestimate that, 618 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: because it's having a nine holes with someone in practice 619 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: is one thing, but actually going out seeing how they 620 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 3: play golf in a wide variety of ways, it's huge 621 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: for a player to see that. And I also think 622 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: it's I had that similar experience a few weeks ago. 623 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: I played with Adam Scott in career. I mean, what 624 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 3: an amazing golfer, What an amazing golfer? 625 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: And how good is that guy? I always think. I 626 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: said this to Brooks when he was in the last 627 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: group at bell Reeve when he won the PGA. Tigers 628 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: is in the group in front of him, Tiger's hero 629 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: Adam Scott. He's got the biggest man crush of all 630 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: time on Adam Scott. How could you not? 631 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: Right? 632 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: And so I was trying to figure out something to 633 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: say to him, and I said to him, listen, don't 634 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: get caught up and watching Adam Scott today, because when 635 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: you play with Scotty one, Scotty's the best, right. I mean, 636 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: there isn't anybody that doesn't like Adam Scott in professional golf. 637 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking player, Caddy, everybody. But when when you play 638 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: with them, it's it hard to not watch his golf swing. 639 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 3: I mean I did, I did. I played with them 640 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: at Wentworth this year, and I've played with him in 641 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 3: career the first two rounds. And but you know this 642 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 3: is going to sound ridiculous, I feel like I got 643 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 3: better watching him. I mean I really do. One thing 644 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: that strikes about him he hits a lot of shots 645 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: pretty flat out. You know, he doesn't hit many kind 646 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: of off speed I've shot, so he hits his irons 647 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 3: extraordinarily far. It's incredible. But his level of commitments so high. 648 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 3: He's off the charts, you know, like there's a couple 649 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 3: of career was a quite a tricky, smelly kind of 650 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: golf course few and he's just so committed to his 651 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: move and his swing, and even when he hits bad shots, 652 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: it was kind of you know, he they weren't. 653 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: They were kind of committed flush bad shots. 654 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 3: And so I think, yeah, if you get an opportunity 655 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: to play like I had on on liv in that 656 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 3: period every event I seem to play with major champions, 657 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 3: and then on the deep world when we have our 658 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 3: road ex events and stuff, you get a little windows 659 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: into these people and they're just like us in a 660 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 3: lot of ways, but they will be doing things that 661 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 3: are slightly different. They'd have thought processes that are slightly different, 662 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 3: and you're posilling not to try and learn from that. 663 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 3: And someone like me who I'd like to climb, I'd 664 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: like to become a top twenty player in the world. 665 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: That would be something I'd love to do. I think 666 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 3: anytime you get to kind of sponge off those people 667 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: go and like go and do it. So that was, 668 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 3: you know, just bringing it back to the kind of 669 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 3: live question that you asked me. That was, I guess 670 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 3: an unintended consequence for me was I wasn't expecting that. 671 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting that level of access, if you like, 672 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 3: to the world class players there. You know, Brooks and 673 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 3: Dustin played play with those guys and the younger guys, Nieman, whoever, 674 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 3: whoever it is that they're all playing in that period, 675 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 3: I played with all of them. That's uh, it's a 676 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 3: great It's great exposure for someone of any age trying 677 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 3: to get better. And actually Blandy I would suggest if 678 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 3: we had him on here, I bet he would say 679 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: it's benefit his game matter. 680 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: I had him on the podcast a couple of years 681 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: ago and he talked about a similar experience to you. 682 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: The access not only you know, in practice rounds and 683 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: the ability to go to dinner with major champions and 684 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that in that kind of team environment. But 685 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: I think you do learn a lot by playing with 686 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: other players. We tell juniors that all the time, listen, 687 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: play with players that are better than you. You'll learn 688 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: a lot So cutting back now to twenty twenty four, 689 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: you get your first win on the DP World, when 690 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: you win Lloyde, your first tournament, how dos it changed 691 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: you as a player, and how does it change your mindset? 692 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 3: I think it probably didn't change me as much as 693 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 3: I thought. I didn't feel necessarily how I thought i'd feel. 694 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 3: I was, you're related, You're happy about getting the win, 695 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 3: and that's great, But there is definitely within within me, 696 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 3: and I think within everyone this this Probably you have 697 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 3: an idea of it. If you've reached utopia and then 698 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 3: Monday comes round and you get up and you've still 699 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: got to go and pay them all with due council 700 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 3: tax and drop your kids a school, whatever it might be, 701 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 3: and life basically goes on. 702 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: Well. Scotti Scheffler talked about this at the Open Championship 703 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: this right. He mentioned that, and everybody kind of lost 704 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: it and was like he doesn't care or anything like that. 705 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: But I think that's actually kind of a healthy way 706 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: to think you're going to win a tournament. It's going 707 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: to be really, really huge, But the following day, I 708 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: mean we tell our juniors this all the time. Listen, 709 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: nobody cares if you want a tournament last year. Nobody 710 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: cares what you did last week or six months ago, 711 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: or the only thing that matters is what you continue 712 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: to do forward. Do you think when you win a 713 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: tournament people look at you differently on. 714 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: I think one thing after I won was I was 715 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: so keen to go and do it again, and I 716 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 3: had a period where I didn't really play any good. 717 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 2: Off the back of it. 718 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 3: And I attribute that to because I was so desperate 719 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 3: to have a chance to win another tournament, and I 720 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 3: kind of forgot about the the processes and the stuff 721 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 3: that got you with a chance to win the tournament. 722 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 3: But I think it certainly changed me the next time 723 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 3: I had a chance to win, because the next when 724 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 3: I've had chances to win earlier this year, because I'd 725 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 3: already won, I was like a dog with a bone. 726 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to go and win this tournament. 727 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to go win the tournament. And that was 728 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 3: a different mindset, like not in a I'm telling myself 729 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 3: that on the bat nine, I'm I'm trying to win 730 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 3: this tournament. 731 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm not bailing out. I'm going to hit. 732 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to hit the shot that needs to be 733 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 3: hit because I'm trying to win the tournament. Basically, I'm 734 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 3: not trying to have other people fall away or get 735 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: a bit lucky. It was like trying to hit the 736 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 3: shots and win. So, for example, when the playoff in 737 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 3: that I won this year, I felt very calm and 738 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 3: I was I was going to hit the fairway and 739 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 3: then I was going to go straight at the flag 740 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 3: with nine on that that was what I was going 741 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 3: to do, and that's what That's kind of how it 742 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 3: panned out. That doesn't always pan out like that, but 743 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 3: I the way I felt there was very different to 744 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 3: the year before, where I was. 745 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 2: Just trying not to fuck it out basically. 746 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: But what is the difference, because I think there is 747 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: a very big difference. I think most golfers that are 748 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast spend the majority of their golf 749 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: career trying to not hit bad shots, trying to do 750 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: everything they can possibly do in their preparation, in their 751 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: information gathering, they're trying to not hit bad shots. What 752 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: is the difference between the mindset of trying to not 753 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: mess it up as opposed to what you said, getting 754 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: in the mindset on the back nine in Bahrain, we say, okay, 755 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: I am going to try and win this tournament, and 756 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: how can everyone listening access that train of thought more 757 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: than the other part where you're just trying not to 758 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: hit a. 759 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 3: Bad shot while there in lies are very very in time, 760 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 3: we could. 761 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: Do another three hour partonst on that. 762 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 3: For me personally, I think everyone has a level of 763 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 3: psychology that would be and it would be how they've 764 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 3: grown up, or their parents or their own belief system. 765 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 3: And I don't really know enough about it. I know 766 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 3: about it within myself. I think because of the career 767 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 3: I've had and losing my card, there is definitely periods 768 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 3: where I agonize about things that could go wrong. So 769 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 3: my own psyche, I have to have things and thoughts 770 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 3: and feelings. I go towards them. I don't run away 771 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 3: from anything. So it would be in my golf swing 772 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 3: under pressure, there's I believe a couple of things that 773 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 3: can really go wrong for it. So I try and 774 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 3: have feelings and thoughts that I'm going towards doing this 775 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 3: because that will create the shots I want to hit 776 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 3: versus don't do this with my left hip or right 777 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 3: shoulder or whatever. I'm very much like this is the 778 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 3: feeling I need this, I need to go towards that, 779 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 3: and I think psychologically you need that. Like in my 780 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 3: own mantra is, I really don't think anything ever changes 781 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 3: in your life winning a golf tournament. I think it's 782 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 3: a great narrative, like and it's said a lot on 783 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 3: the TELEI and pedaled it's going to be life changing, 784 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 3: and I've probably even said it in this interview about 785 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 3: maybe I've. 786 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 2: Got a PGA TALKRD. 787 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,479 Speaker 3: But the reality is, I really don't think it would 788 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 3: change that much in your life. And winning a load 789 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 3: of extra money would be fantastic, like everyone you know, 790 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 3: it's some of the prize pots you can win and 791 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 3: golf for bonkers, But. 792 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: What does that do? 793 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 3: It means maybe you can retire a couple of years earlier, 794 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 3: but we are literally I am living the best days 795 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 3: of my life, so why would I want to accelerate 796 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 3: my retirement Like that would be my mindset. I think 797 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 3: we always humans want certainty and they want things that 798 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 3: they know to be true and have that kind of 799 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 3: stuff in their life. But if you want to be 800 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 3: a golfer, you don't. You can't have that a you 801 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 3: are modified professional gamblers and you do it because you 802 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 3: love the ups and the downs of it. So in 803 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 3: my own case, when I find myself protecting and I 804 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 3: find myself worrying and that kind of stuff, I have 805 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 3: to go towards things that I want and and be 806 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: honest with myself that I want that, you know, I 807 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 3: want to do that. I want to go and play 808 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 3: the Masters, or I want to go you know, playing 809 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 3: playing teams and all that kind of stuff. But for 810 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 3: a long time I haven't accepted that, and that hasn't 811 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 3: necessarily helped me. So it's it's a constant battle and 812 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 3: a constant evolution, and for me, that's why I enjoyed 813 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 3: the Masters this year. Was so enjoyable to watch Rory 814 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 3: because that is the only tournament in the world where 815 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 3: I think you'd see him like he is there because 816 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 3: even the other Majors and everything, is that specific tournament. 817 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 3: And the torment he went through and some of the 818 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 3: shots that that guy hit good and bad down the 819 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 3: stretch was incredible. 820 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 2: Was one. 821 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 3: It was the best tournament I've ever watched. I think 822 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 3: it's the best tall I'll ever watch because it was 823 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 3: you don't you don't get to see I mean, it's 824 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 3: like a once in a lifetime scenario. I think as 825 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 3: a as a player and as a fan to see 826 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 3: someone with that kind of playing record doesn't obviously doesn't 827 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 3: need the money, but it's the internal battle and struggle 828 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 3: for him to win that tournament should be like a 829 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 3: lesson to everyone and and I think that's what makes 830 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 3: both that it is the best. 831 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 2: It's the best game, it's the hardest. 832 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 3: I think it's one of the hardest games, and it's 833 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 3: certainly the mental baggage to accumulate over the years. 834 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: We talked about this before we started today, and you've 835 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: basically right now, you're in position to get your PGA 836 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: Tour card if you just take care of business this week. 837 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: Is it going to be hard for you going into 838 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: this last tournament knowing that, Okay, if I just put 839 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: four solid rounds of golf together, I can't really fall out. 840 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: Is it going to be hard for you not to 841 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: think ahead of Okay, I've got all this stuff. If 842 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: I just play good this week, I've got next to 843 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: your full status on the PGA Tour. It's been a dream. 844 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: It's everybody's stream to play on the PGA Tour, right 845 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: It's where everybody wants to play. How do you focus 846 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: this week and take care of the things that you 847 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: need to take care of as opposed to looking kind 848 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: of forward. 849 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 3: Well, I would just basically follow your advice in that question. 850 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 3: I think when you talk about four solid rounds, that 851 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 3: feels really hard to do personally. I'm like, God, four 852 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 3: four solid rounds were what we were at Monday today, 853 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 3: so Sunday, so I've got seven days just thinking just 854 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 3: four solid rounds. So no, I think what I mean 855 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 3: your question was would lead me to the answer. Really, 856 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 3: it's the it's the process is the things you do. 857 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 3: You know, after this goes to the gym, nail my 858 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 3: warm up for the week. I've got a couple of 859 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 3: hours of short game work that I've got planned this afternoon. 860 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 3: Like try and live your life via little little chunks 861 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 3: of time. Tick them off, accumulate it. See where you 862 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 3: net out. Probably underlying know that I'm still going to 863 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 3: wake up on Monday with or without a PGA talk God, 864 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: my life will be more or less the same. 865 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 2: One will involve more transatlantic travel. 866 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: But I think I kind of having that overarching thing. 867 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,320 Speaker 2: In my own little world. You know, I have a wife, 868 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 2: I have two daughters. 869 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 3: Now that that definitely grounds you in a way that 870 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 3: was more difficult for me ten years ago because you 871 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 3: just have to be But but I think for me 872 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 3: it'll just be like, yeah, ticking off, having a trying 873 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 3: to have a good Monday, and then I think stacking 874 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 3: and having those good days over time puts you in 875 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 3: a in a good spot. 876 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: Lastly, I think you're gonna play on the PGA Tour 877 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: next year, any courses or tournaments that you're excited to 878 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to play on time. I mean, there's 879 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: so many great courses that they play on the PGA Tour. 880 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: There's some iconic ones that they go to every year 881 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: that are, you know, some of the best golf courses 882 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: in the game. Really, anything that you've kind of penciled 883 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: when you look at a possible PJ Tour schedule for 884 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: twenty six that you're thinking, Man, I'm really excited to 885 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: play that tournament on that golf course because I've seen 886 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: that before. 887 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 3: I think the whole West Coast swimming looks pretty awesome, 888 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 3: and all the Europeans talk about that with a bit 889 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 3: of the glint in their eyes, So I think that's 890 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if the feel of it is quite 891 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 3: what we're used to. I know the grass is mainly powers. 892 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 3: It's kind of that's We've grown up with a lot 893 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 3: of that, so that would make sense. It's a bit colder, 894 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 3: so probably suits us as well. I think outside of that, 895 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 3: I've always I noticed a kind of riviera that's a 896 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 3: golf course I've loved love to kind of watch. Shall 897 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 3: I say, Memorial looks an amazing course visually looks amazing. 898 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 3: There's amazing contrast of grass there. 899 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 2: Bay Hill. 900 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,479 Speaker 3: I've played that a few times. That would be great. 901 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 3: I mean those all signature events. I'd have to really 902 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 3: play great early season to do that. But I think, yeah, 903 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 3: having that as a bit of a carrot and a 904 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 3: runway to try and get in I mean even waste management. 905 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 3: We're just even talking now, but that the tournament in 906 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 3: Phoenix looks I think to experience that, some of the 907 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 3: stories I've heard from other players would be that would 908 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 3: be a pretty wild ride. And yeah, I guess going 909 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 3: out and hitting that T shirt on the stadium hole 910 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 3: would be. Yeah, it would be interesting to see. 911 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: You got to you got to bring a bath rugby 912 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: shirt and put it on. He exactly. 913 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 4: YEAHS and Laurie, you've had a hell of a year 914 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 4: this year, and I think you're a very You're in 915 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 4: a unique position because you're one of the few people, 916 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,399 Speaker 4: I mean, I can't think of anybody else really over 917 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 4: the last five years of this crazy kind of professional 918 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 4: golf landscape that we're in that is going to be 919 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 4: able to say, listen, I played on live, I played 920 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 4: on DP, and you're going to get an opportunity to 921 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 4: play on the PJ Tour. 922 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: The best way for you to end this would just 923 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,280 Speaker 1: be to go win this week. 924 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,720 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it would that would be You're a bit 925 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 3: bit of a grandstand finish, so yeah, that would be. 926 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 2: Uh, that would be something. 927 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: Best to luck this week. I think you're gonna do 928 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: great next year playing in the States, and I think 929 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 1: we're going to really look forward to seeing how you 930 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: play in twenty twenty six. Thanks for talking to us. 931 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 3: No, thanks a lot, and thanks for having me down 932 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 3: at your academy and Dubai. I love coming in. Thank you. 933 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: It's a good spot, great reviews. Subscribe wherever you get 934 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Thanks everyone for listening. It's the Son of 935 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: a Butch podcast