WEBVTT - Disorganized Crime, Pt. 3

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>At two forty six pm on March first, nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>a baby girl was born at a small hospital in Maine.

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<v Speaker 2>Her mother had been admitted to the maternity ward under

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<v Speaker 2>a fake name, and the man in the waiting room

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<v Speaker 2>knew he wasn't the father. The baby seemed healthy, and

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<v Speaker 2>when the woman felt confident that her daughter was free

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<v Speaker 2>from the mysterious affliction that had claimed the life of

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<v Speaker 2>her first child, she revealed the baby's existence to her

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<v Speaker 2>real father. For a brief moment that summer, they were

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<v Speaker 2>a family. A man who had abandoned an entire family

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<v Speaker 2>twice over already now seemed overjoyed to have this baby

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<v Speaker 2>in his life. But the summer of nineteen sixty seven

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<v Speaker 2>had a series of unhapp be endings for George Lincoln Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 2>He spent the last week of his own life mourning

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<v Speaker 2>the death of his infant daughter, and after his assassination,

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<v Speaker 2>his mistress burned all the evidence that their daughter had

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<v Speaker 2>ever existed, including the birth certificate signed by her dead

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<v Speaker 2>lover's closest friend, Frank Smith. I'm Molly Conger, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is where little guys. Early on in this roundabout process

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<v Speaker 2>of figuring out who Frank Smith was. I was reading

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<v Speaker 2>the transcript of his testimony at John Patler's trial. In

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<v Speaker 2>those rambling pages, he told the court that he was

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<v Speaker 2>the closest friend Commander Rockwell had. That's a pretty bold

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<v Speaker 2>statement from a guy whose name really only appears in

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<v Speaker 2>passing and even the most comprehensive biographies of George Lincoln Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I said earlier in this series, it was

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<v Speaker 2>Frank's testimony at that trial that got me interested in

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<v Speaker 2>his story in the first place, because he had a

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<v Speaker 2>way of speaking that I've heard before. He testified like

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<v Speaker 2>a man with a lot of practice lying to the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>So I read his testimony with interest, but not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>for the truth. And then I found a pair of recordings.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always such an incredible treasure to have actual audio

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<v Speaker 2>of my weird little guy. I don't always get that,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it comes to stories that are further in

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<v Speaker 2>the past or stories about more obscure figures, and Frank

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<v Speaker 2>is both. But I lucked into more than two hours

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<v Speaker 2>of actual audio of Frank talking to a reporter back

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight, and I found another hour from

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation he had with a Nazi podcaster in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>In that pair of interviews, nearly fifty years apart, he

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<v Speaker 2>describes himself again as the best friend Rockwell had during

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<v Speaker 2>the two years they knew each other from nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five until Rockwell's death in August of nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Repeating the same claim over and over again doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>it any truer, obviously, But what an odd thing to

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<v Speaker 2>insist upon for decades, isn't it. Male friendship can be

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<v Speaker 2>a tricky thing to understand, even under normal circumstances, but

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<v Speaker 2>the brief, tragic life of Rockwell's infant daughter points to

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility that Frank really was one of George Lincoln

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<v Speaker 2>Rockwell's closest friends in the final years of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Not many men would sign their name on the birth

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<v Speaker 2>certificate of someone else's illegitimate child just to ease their

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<v Speaker 2>emotional burden. I don't think so anyway, And we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to the secret pregnancy of Rockwell's mistress in a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think this idea sort of sets the stage

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<v Speaker 2>for the kind of relationship these men had. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>little evidence of it that survives on paper, and Frank

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<v Speaker 2>is an unreliable narrator, but I think the bond they

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<v Speaker 2>formed over the course of those two years must have

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<v Speaker 2>been real. When we left off last week, Frank Smith

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<v Speaker 2>was in the hospital in March of nineteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 2>He was shot five to by two men who were

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<v Speaker 2>never identified. The shooting was never officially soft and Frank's

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<v Speaker 2>version of events varies depending on his mood, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was almost certainly an attempted hit carried out by associates

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<v Speaker 2>of the Patriarcha crime family. There was an ongoing gang

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<v Speaker 2>war in Boston and Frank had gotten in over his head.

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<v Speaker 2>Just days before Frank was shot, a wire tap captured

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<v Speaker 2>Raymond Patriarcha in a rage after he found out that

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<v Speaker 2>Frank had been sanctioning hits without his permission. Frank barely

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<v Speaker 2>survived the shooting, and he spent a month in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was finally well enough to appear in court,

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<v Speaker 2>he had to answer for the loaded revolver and brass knuckles.

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<v Speaker 2>Police founded his car on the night of the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>At his arraignment, a Boston Globe reporter saw him having

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<v Speaker 2>a whispered conversation with an unnamed man described only as

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<v Speaker 2>his business partner in a land deal in Maine. This

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<v Speaker 2>has to be the land that he had just promised

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<v Speaker 2>to the American Nazi Party for their whites only church,

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<v Speaker 2>But the paper doesn't offer any hint as to who

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<v Speaker 2>that man might have been. I don't think it could

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<v Speaker 2>have been George Lincoln Rockwell, though for one thing, the

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<v Speaker 2>reporter would have recognized him. But even if that particular

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<v Speaker 2>journalist didn't know what the famous Nazi looked like, George

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Rockwell was a famous enough man that he usually

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<v Speaker 2>ended up in the newspaper wherever he went, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost possible to put together a day by day accounting

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<v Speaker 2>of his whereabouts if you're willing to pick through enough

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<v Speaker 2>local newspapers. On the day of Frank's hearing, April sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty five, I can't tell you exactly where Rockwell was,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can play him elsewhere. In the days before

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<v Speaker 2>and after, newspapers in Ohio reported that an auditorium full

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<v Speaker 2>of college students laughed at him on April fourteenth when

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<v Speaker 2>he announced for the first time that he planned to

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<v Speaker 2>run for governor of Virginia, and reporters in Virginia photographed

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<v Speaker 2>him on April nineteenth when he marched into an office

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<v Speaker 2>in Richmond to file paperwork for his campaign. So it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't rockwell, but whoever it was. Despite his bullet wounds,

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<v Speaker 2>Frank was still trying to move forward with the plan

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<v Speaker 2>to start a Nazi church on his property in Maine.

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<v Speaker 2>A few days after his arraignment, Frank was convicted on

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<v Speaker 2>the pair of weapons charges in Massachusetts. The Boston Globe

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<v Speaker 2>described him looking pale and weak in the courtroom, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>still recovering from his brush with death. During the hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>his attorney yanked the shirt right off Frank's back to

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<v Speaker 2>show the judge how serious his injuries were, and pleading

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<v Speaker 2>with the judge to go easy on him. They weren't

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<v Speaker 2>arguing his innocence at that point. They were begging for

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<v Speaker 2>his life. If he stayed in Massachusetts, the people who

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<v Speaker 2>shot him would try again, and he wouldn't survive a

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<v Speaker 2>second hit. His lawyer told the court that if they

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<v Speaker 2>let him walk free, he would quote leave the state

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<v Speaker 2>to protect himself and society. If there is another attempt

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<v Speaker 2>on his life, we don't want it in mis jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 2>This worked, apparently, despite finding him guilty on both charges,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge suspended the two years sentence, and Frank was

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<v Speaker 2>free to go. Pulling his clients shirt off in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the courtroom was a little dramatic, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think his attorney was lying. Frank had to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of town. The Boston gang war wasn't over, and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody obviously wanted him dead. He'd lost his right eye

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<v Speaker 2>entirely several years earlier in some unspecified accident, and the

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<v Speaker 2>shooting had left him half blind in his remaining eye.

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<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't regain full use of his left arm for

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<v Speaker 2>another two years. He was weak, wounded, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know who his friends were anymore. Now I know. I

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<v Speaker 2>said the shooting was never solved, and it wasn't not technically.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody was ever arrested, charged, tried, or convicted for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But two months after Frank was shot, an FBI wiretap

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<v Speaker 2>recorded a conversation about shooting him again. In May of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty five, a hit man named Jimmy Flemy told

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<v Speaker 2>Providence mob boss Raymond Patriarcha that if he ever saw

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<v Speaker 2>Frank again, he would finish him. Patriarcha gave Flemy his

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<v Speaker 2>blessing in part because he was very upset to hear

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<v Speaker 2>that Frank had been referring to made men as guineas,

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<v Speaker 2>an anti Italian slur that he seems to have been

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sensitive about. You might remember that this is the

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<v Speaker 2>same Jimmy Flemy who was recorded meeting with Patriarcha a

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<v Speaker 2>few days before Frank was shot, and that conversation had

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<v Speaker 2>been about how Frank was becoming a problem. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear to me, at least, that there's a strong

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<v Speaker 2>case to be made that Jimmy Flemy shot Frank shortly

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<v Speaker 2>after their first conversation about killing Frank and before their

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<v Speaker 2>second conversation about killing Frank. Jimmy Flemy became an FBI informant,

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<v Speaker 2>and that could explain why there was no real investigation

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<v Speaker 2>into who shot Frank. We know, beyond a shadow of

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<v Speaker 2>a doubt that Jimmy Flemy's handler was protecting him. That happens.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't usually find out the nitty gritty details, but

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI does have a pretty messy history when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to looking the other way when their informants commit

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<v Speaker 2>crimes and the agent handling Jimmy Flemy knew he was

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<v Speaker 2>a hitman. That is sometimes the cost of doing business.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're trying to flip mobsters, you have to make

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<v Speaker 2>a deal with the devil, so to speak, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to catch the guy further up the chain. But

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<v Speaker 2>Agent Paul Rico very famously took this way too far.

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<v Speaker 2>In a memo dated June of nineteen sixty five, j

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<v Speaker 2>Edgar Hoover was informed that Lemmy had the tential to

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<v Speaker 2>be an excellent informant in building a case against Raymond Patriarca.

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<v Speaker 2>The same memo notes that Jimmy Flemy is known to

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<v Speaker 2>have committed at least seven murders and quote from all indications,

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<v Speaker 2>he is going to continue to commit murder. There were

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<v Speaker 2>allegations for decades there was a lot of rot, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people could smell it. There were dirty

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<v Speaker 2>cops and protected informants. The corruption ran deep. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>until decades later that there was proof of just how deep.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and three, the House Committee on Government

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<v Speaker 2>Reform adopted a report called Everything Secret Degenerates the FBI's

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<v Speaker 2>Use of murderers as informants. This report is about Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Flemy mostly. Its specific focus is the murder of a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Teddy Degan in March of nineteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 2>But because Teddy Degan was murdered three days before Frank

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<v Speaker 2>was shot, Frank's name pops up a few times in

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<v Speaker 2>this report. The exhibits that were preserved in the Congressional

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<v Speaker 2>Record are some of the only unredacted pages of those

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<v Speaker 2>FBI files, so it offered me some more insight into

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<v Speaker 2>the events surrounding the shooting. The whole story is much

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<v Speaker 2>more than we can get into here, but it's pretty shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>Teddy Degan was murdered the same day that agent Rico

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<v Speaker 2>started developing Jimmy Flemy as an informant, which was several

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<v Speaker 2>days after the FBI overheard him planning Deagan's murder on

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<v Speaker 2>that wiretap. Agent Rico didn't just look the other way

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<v Speaker 2>while his informant went about his business. No, he actively

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<v Speaker 2>covered up a murder committed by his informant, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he arranged for innocent men to be framed for that

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<v Speaker 2>murder by coaching other informants to provide false testimony at trial.

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<v Speaker 2>He paid people to perjure themselves, and people died in

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<v Speaker 2>prison so the FBI could keep this informant on the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>When Rico was called before Congress more than thirty years

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<v Speaker 2>later to testify about his role in this cover up.

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<v Speaker 2>He had no remorse when he was asked about the

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<v Speaker 2>four men he'd sent to prison for a murder he

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<v Speaker 2>knew they didn't commit, He said, what do you want tears?

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<v Speaker 2>By the time Rico was sitting in front of Congress

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<v Speaker 2>testifying about it, two of those four men he framed

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<v Speaker 2>had already died in prison. The other two were released

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand one when they won their wrongful conviction lawsuits.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand seven, the one hundred million dollar payout

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<v Speaker 2>was the largest sum ever awarded under the Federal Tort

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<v Speaker 2>Claims Act, which is the law that allows you to

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<v Speaker 2>sue the federal government. That record has since been broken.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty one, the Department of Defense was ordered

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<v Speaker 2>to pay two hundred and thirty million dollars to the

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<v Speaker 2>families and survivors of a mass shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>The Air Force failed to report a court martial conviction

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<v Speaker 2>that would have prevented the shooter from purchasing the gun

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<v Speaker 2>that he used to murder twenty six people. In two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand three, former FBI agent Paul Rico was indicted on

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<v Speaker 2>murder charges for asking Whitey Bulger to arrange the death

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<v Speaker 2>of the owner of the World Highlyily Rigo was beaten

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<v Speaker 2>to death in prison three months later before he could

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<v Speaker 2>face trial. I know this is pretty far afield of

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<v Speaker 2>our main storyline, even for me, But the Congressional report

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<v Speaker 2>on the FBI's misconduct in New England in the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of unique. You don't usually get this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of peak behind the curtain, this kind of granular deconstruction,

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<v Speaker 2>this moment by moment chronology of the way the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>is actively involved in not just shaping the narrative about

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<v Speaker 2>the crimes they're investigating, but involved in the crimes themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>The report is unique, but I'm not sure the underlying

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<v Speaker 2>conduct is the fact that this report exists just raises

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<v Speaker 2>more questions about how the FBI was handling their informants

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<v Speaker 2>in other areas during that same time period. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the Mafia wasn't the only group whose members were

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<v Speaker 2>both under investigation by and sometimes under the direction and

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<v Speaker 2>protection of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It reminds me

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:28.720
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of the Greensboro massacre in nineteen seventy nine,

0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.639
<v Speaker 2>a group of Nazis and klansmen murdered five communist organizers

0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:38.560
<v Speaker 2>in North Carolina. An undercover atf agent was at the

0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.639
<v Speaker 2>meeting where the attack was planned, and he failed to

0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:48.439
<v Speaker 2>report that klansmen had discussed making bombs. The man leading

0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:54.639
<v Speaker 2>the Nazi caravan had been an FBI informant for a decade.

0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.160
<v Speaker 2>The local police and the FBI knew what was going

0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:04.280
<v Speaker 2>to happen, and cesar cause. James Waller, William E. Fan Simpson,

0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Sandra Neelie Smith, and Michael Nathan were murdered. Anyway, one

0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.640
<v Speaker 2>of these days, I'll finally get around telling you about

0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:19.240
<v Speaker 2>a very modern day example of exactly this sort of thing.

0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.960
<v Speaker 2>It's been weighing heavily on my mind for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years now, but I keep putting off going to

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<v Speaker 2>the post office so I can get a PO box,

0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.760
<v Speaker 2>so I can write the man in prison. It's only

0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.800
<v Speaker 2>fair in this case to ask him for his side

0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:41.840
<v Speaker 2>of things. But we were talking about Frank Smith. Personally,

0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I think Jimmy Flemy shot him, but I guess we'll

0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:51.760
<v Speaker 2>never know. In late April of nineteen sixty five, Frank

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.520
<v Speaker 2>was released from jail and he went up to Maine

0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.800
<v Speaker 2>to lay low. When Jimmy Flemy asked for permission to

0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.800
<v Speaker 2>finish him off in May, he mentioned to Patriarca that

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Frank had been seen up in Maine in the company

0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:12.000
<v Speaker 2>of someone he identifies only as the Colonel. Okay, now

0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.800
<v Speaker 2>we're back in my territory. Because it doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 2>the mafia guys know who the Colonel is, but I do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's American Nazi Party member Alan welsh Well.

0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:33.080
<v Speaker 3>The Commander sent his deputy, Alan welsh up to Island Falls.

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<v Speaker 1>Maine, to meet me and to drive this automobile and

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<v Speaker 1>myself down to Arlington, Virginia, approximately at the middle of

0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the month of September nineteen sixty five.

0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 2>By his own telling, Frank was home in Maine licking

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.040
<v Speaker 2>his wounds all summer in nineteen sixty five, and he

0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't have much contact during that time with the American

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:05.919
<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party. Rockwell was busy running for governor, Frank was

0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:09.440
<v Speaker 2>busy hiding from the mafia, but they did exchange a

0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:14.359
<v Speaker 2>couple of letters. Frank claims he wrote to Rockwell saying

0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.200
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't really be of much help on the campaign

0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.639
<v Speaker 2>trail because of his injuries, but he offered the use

0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.960
<v Speaker 2>of his car. The American Nazi Party was most of

0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the time dead broke, nobody had a nice car that

0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 2>would look slick pulling up to a campaign stop. But

0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Frank owned a Lincoln Continental, a black convertible with a

0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.520
<v Speaker 2>white top, which he describes as just like the one

0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.399
<v Speaker 2>JFK was riding in when he got assassinated, and he

0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:51.480
<v Speaker 2>thought that would look good at campaign stops. Being nearly blind, though,

0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.520
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't very well drive it down to Virginia from Maine,

0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.679
<v Speaker 2>so Rockwell sent a stormtrooper up to bring Frank and

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the Lincoln down to the Nazi Party barracks in Arlington

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 2>in September. That's what Frank told the reporter. That's what

0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.160
<v Speaker 2>he testified to at Patler's trial. And I can't actually

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:18.399
<v Speaker 2>place Frank in Virginia any earlier than September, but that

0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 2>FBI memo places Alan Welch in Maine with Frank on

0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.760
<v Speaker 2>May first, barely a week after Frank got out of

0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.119
<v Speaker 2>jail and headed north. And I know Welch didn't spend

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 2>all summer in Maine because I have him in the

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 2>newspaper talking to reporters in June and July and he's

0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:43.720
<v Speaker 2>in Virginia, so he must have made multiple trips up

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:48.120
<v Speaker 2>to Maine that summer, a curious omission from Frank's version

0:21:48.119 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>of events. When Frank Welsh and the convertible finally did

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 2>make it down to Virginia in September, they stopped off

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.360
<v Speaker 2>at the Nazi head quarters in Arlington and then continued

0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 2>to their final destination, Richmond. The election was just two

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.200
<v Speaker 2>months away, and George Lincoln Rockwell had set up a

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.879
<v Speaker 2>campaign headquarters in downtown Richmond, just a few blocks from

0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:30.639
<v Speaker 2>the capitol. I found an old newspaper ad that the

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.199
<v Speaker 2>campaign ran in the Richmond Times Dispatch to announce the

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:38.600
<v Speaker 2>grand opening of that office in August. The ad read

0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.399
<v Speaker 2>the only party and the only candidate not afraid to

0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 2>deal forthrightly with the race problem and the Communist subversion

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:50.399
<v Speaker 2>of our Christian constitutional Republic. One hundred percent for segregation,

0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:54.439
<v Speaker 2>States rights, anti communism. Get your free copy of the

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 2>inspiring program that will insure White Christian supremacy in Virginia.

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>The address listed for the office doesn't exist anymore. I

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:09.480
<v Speaker 2>think they've renumbered the street in the intervening decades, and

0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the photos of the office don't match any of the

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.840
<v Speaker 2>buildings on the block where it used to be, but

0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 2>based on a description of the cross streets nearest the office,

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.240
<v Speaker 2>I know that I have gotten my credit card stuck

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.560
<v Speaker 2>in the payment machine at the parking garage built on

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 2>top of what used to be George Lincoln Rockwall's campaign headquarters.

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>What a small world it was at the Richmond campaign

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 2>office where Frank Smith first met Claudia mccullors, a woman

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 2>half his age who'd come up from Alabama to volunteer

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 2>as a secretary for Rockwall's campaign. Again, he was nearly blind,

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.240
<v Speaker 2>so he depended heavily on Allan Welsh to get around,

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and he later said that when he first saw Claudia,

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 2>he thought he might prefer the idea of a pretty

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 2>young lady driving him around. Told her as much, He said,

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 2>if she would be his secretary, his driver and his eyes,

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 2>he'd buy her a new car. They married a year later.

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 2>George Lincoln Rockwell's campaign for Governor of Virginia was mercifully short.

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 2>He only announced that he was running in April, barely

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>six months before the election, and he didn't set up

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 2>the office until August. In those short couple of months,

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>he pulled all manner of grotesque little racist stunts. He

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 2>criss crossed the state giving racist stump speeches. At a

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:47.119
<v Speaker 2>speech in a public park in Fredericksburg, one so laden

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 2>with racial slurs that I couldn't cut an acceptable clip

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.159
<v Speaker 2>of it. He reached under the lectern as he was

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:57.160
<v Speaker 2>speaking and pulled out a rifle, waving it around as

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>he ranted about the need to arm white men to

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:04.199
<v Speaker 2>keep the black population under control. In the lead up

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.479
<v Speaker 2>to the election, Nazi stormtroopers disrupted his opponent's campaign events.

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 2>When Republican candidate Lynwood Houlton held a black tie fundraiser

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 2>in DC, Alan Welch interrupted a speech to demand that

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Holton debate Rockwell. The record indicates that Richard Nixon was

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 2>in attendance, but doesn't say what he thought of this.

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 2>When Democratic candidate Mills Godwin held a similar event a

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>few days later, this time it was Matius Cole who

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 2>interrupted the speeches, asking Godwin, if you believe in equality,

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>would you debate mister Rockwell. There's an undated photo in

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 2>an issue of Stormtrooper magazine that shows Frank sitting in

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>the backseat of his Lincoln convertible next to a man

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 2>in blackface. They were probably on their way to crash

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 2>a press conference. There were several incidents in a Nazi

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:05.159
<v Speaker 2>stormtrooper in blackface confronting one of the other candidates or

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>a TV news camera. One of Rockwell's supporters was arrested

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, d C. After bursting into the House chambers

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>while Congress was in session. He unfurled a Nazi banner,

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 2>shouting Siegile and long live Rockwell. And in the several

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>minutes that it took for Capital Security to get him

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.360
<v Speaker 2>under control, he managed to throw hundreds of little flyers

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 2>over the railing so that they rained down on the congressman.

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 2>And as these little handbills settled onto the floor, members

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>of Congress saw that they were made up to look

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>like boat tickets. The text is too crude to repeat,

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>but these novelty tickets claimed to offer any black person

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:55.159
<v Speaker 2>a one way boat ride back to Africa. As if

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 2>there was any doubt about who was behind the stunt,

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 2>each flyer sat at the bottom and fine print copyright

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty five, Lincoln Rockwell. A few weeks after the

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>incident at the Capitol, another member pulled the same stunt

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>racist boat tickets and all, but this time at the

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 2>NAACP state convention in Roanoke. The newspaper reports about both

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 2>incidents described the tickets, but not in great detail. An

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>issue of Stormtrooper magazine reproduced the entire image and it

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>is I mean, it's really something. I don't think it's

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>possible to pack in any more racist and per square inch.

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these guys were professionals. After the success of

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 2>those stunts, some members wrote in to ask if the

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 2>party would mail them a batch so they could hand

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 2>them out to black people on the street for their

0:27:55.720 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 2>own racist amusement. Subsequent issues of the party's magazine offered

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.199
<v Speaker 2>the tickets for sale on the back page, where they

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>sold racist literature fifty for a dollar and through it all.

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith was Rockwell's shadow. He says that he was

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 2>acting as Rockwell's bodyguard, but that seems like an awful idea.

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 2>He may have been a boxer in his youth, but

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 2>he's in his mid forties now, I mean, that's not

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>so old. But he's also recovering from multiple gunshot wounds,

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and he's had heart surgery, and he has very limited

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 2>use of his left hand and arm. So not only

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>was he not going to be of any use in

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>a physical fight. He wasn't even going to see a

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 2>potential threat coming.

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 3>I acted as a bodyguid for him. And this is

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 3>the humor's part about it. I used to stride a

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 3>side of him with the most determined air, and I

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 3>used to look people right in the face. And the

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 3>only thing was that I had to watch. I didn't

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 3>stumble over the stairs and the people I are looking at.

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 3>The only thing I could say was the shape of

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 3>the form. That's how I was actually literally blind twenty

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 3>two hundred.

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>But everywhere Rockwell went, Frank Smith went too. In September,

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis paid to have a booth at the State

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Fair outside of Richmond. By all accounts, the display was obscene.

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>They had their usual racist flyers, of course, but the

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>booth also featured a live monkey. The sign on the

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>monkey's cage bore a derogatory remark about Martin Luther King Junior.

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 2>In the lead up to the State Fair, the local

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 2>NAACP warned black residents to stay away from the event

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 2>entirely citing the possibility of violence. The company that operated

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the fair went to court to seek an injunction again

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>against the display and terminating the lease for the booth space. Now,

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>this is just a civil proceeding. They're not pressing a

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 2>criminal charge. But in their petition they did cite a

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 2>relevant criminal statute in the Virginia Code. It was and

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>still is a felony in Virginia to conspire to incite

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the population of one race to acts of violence and

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>war against the population of another race. It is technically

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>a felony in Virginia should try to start a race war.

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that factored into the judge's decision,

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>but he did grant the injunction, and the Nazis were

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>evicted from their booth at the State Fair after losing

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 2>in court. There wasn't enough daylight left to pack up

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 2>their things at the fairgrounds. Now, in the normal course

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>of events, exhibitors leave most of their materials the booth overnight.

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>There's no one there. There's presumably security. You lock up

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the valuables, but the bulk of your display just sits

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>there until the fair is over. You don't pack it

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>in and out every night. But now that the injunction

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 2>had been granted, Rockwell was concerned that if he left

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>his items unattended, someone would throw them away before he

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>had a chance to pack them up. So he spent

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the night at the empty fair grounds, just George Lincoln Rockwell,

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith, and that poor monkey sitting there in the

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>dark all night, waiting for the Nazi stormtroopers to come

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>pick them up. The Richmond Times Dispatch reported that in

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 2>their haste to tear down the display, the monkey escaped.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.719
<v Speaker 2>There's no other mention anywhere that I could find of

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 2>what became of this monkey. The article does not say

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 2>if it was safely apprehended. George Lincoln Rockwell did not

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>become the governor of Virginia in nineteen sixty five. Obviously,

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Mills Godwin did, a fact you almost certainly do not

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>remember from a pair of episode's last fall in the

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>story of Pennsylvania Clansmen Berry Black, when I was talking

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>about the history of Virginia's cross burning laws. After Mills

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Godwin was elected governor of Virginia nineteen sixty five, he

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 2>declared war on the Klan, and the clan responded by

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>burning a cross outside the Governor's mansion. But that's neither

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>here nor there today. In that nineteen sixty five election,

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>George Lincoln. Rockwell got about six thousand votes, were one

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>percent of the total cast. His final campaign finance report

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>claimed twenty thousand, six hundred and thirty one dollars in expenses.

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>The newspaper reported that the figure included four thousand dollars

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>for advertising, five hundred for travel, and twenty two hundred

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>on printing and postage. I could not find any reporting

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 2>on what the monkey budget was. Rockwell is never going

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 2>to win. Nobody thought he was going to win. I mean,

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Frank said he thought there was a chance, and Rockwell

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 2>told British Nazi Colin Jordan that he thought he had

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>a chance. But I don't think either of them really

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>believed that. But in the mid nineteen sixties, the FBI

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>was deep in the throes of cointelpro and they just

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>couldn't resist meddling, even when there was no need. A

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>few months before the election, they sent Rockwell a letter

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>purporting to be from a Nazi Party member in Dallas

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>who was concerned about Alan Welch. The letter writer claimed

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 2>to be a loyal supporter of Rockwell's and he wanted

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the commander to know that he had a trader in

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>his inner circle. The letter claimed to have witnessed Alan

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Welsh proposition another party member for a gay sex Act.

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 2>The FBI actually loved doing this. There are an unsettling

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 2>number of co intel operations that are just anonymous letters

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 2>accusing people of having gay sex. It's something j Edgar

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Hoover spent a lot of time thinking about. I guess

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to say what the measure of success is

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to a co intel pro operation. Rockwell

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 2>read the letter and did not believe that it was

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>true that Alan Welch was having gay sex at The

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party had quarters in Dallas, but he did think

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the letter was real. He thought someone in Dallas was

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.280
<v Speaker 2>trying to drive a wedge between him and Alan Welch,

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>which is what the FBI was trying to do. But

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Rockwell was so sure there was a problem in his

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>organization that he sent the letter to the FBI to

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>ask them to investigate it. So it kind of worked.

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 2>In the final days of the campaign, the New York

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Times published a story about a former Nazi Party member

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 2>who'd been hiding his Jewish heritage. I didn't have time

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to scour the co intel profiles to my satisfaction, but

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 2>William Schmaltz wrote in his biography of Rockwell that the

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>outing of Daniel Burroughs was not a co intel operation.

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 2>And maybe that's true, you know, maybe the paperwork had

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 2>a different operational designation on it and it's not in

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 2>a co intel profile. But the FBI did it. The

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>reporter who wrote that story in The New York Times

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 2>later wrote his own book, and he says he was

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>approached by an FBI agent with information about Daniel Burrows

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 2>just days before the election in Virginia. The FBI wanted

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>to humiliate and discredit the American Nazi Party by exposing

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>one of its earliest members as a self hating Jew.

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Daniel Burroughs responded to the story by shooting himself in

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>the head a few days later. At a press conference

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 2>after the election, reporters had more questions about Dan Burross

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>than Rockwell's campaign.

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 4>Burrows killed himself, and there's a chance for a good

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 4>smear here, I can share.

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.439
<v Speaker 1>The candidate to get your more of press.

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Dependent Well, if a Nazi has to kill himself and

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 4>turn out to be a Jew in order to get publicity,

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 4>things are gotten to be a pretty bad point.

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Yet, the campaign had always been a sideshow. There was

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.879
<v Speaker 2>no need to ask the kinds of questions you'd want

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>answered by a serious candidate running a serious campaign, and

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 2>so at this press conference, instead of having chance to

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>reflect on his campaign and project strength and talk about

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>next steps, he just had to sit there and pretend

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't shocked and a little sad about the news.

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 2>And things just kept getting worse. In early December of

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty five, after the excitement of the election was

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 2>long gone, the IRS raided the American Nazi Party's headquarters

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 2>in Arlington. Frank Smith had already gone home to Maine

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 2>by then. Maybe he had a nose for trouble and

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>knew when to get gone, or maybe he'd just had

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 2>his fill of life at the Nazi Party barracks. But

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Rockwell did see this coming. He knew this was coming.

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 2>He'd been having tax issues of his own for years,

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and he'd received a notice of a lean placed on

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the party a few months earlier. The entire building and

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 2>its contents were seized, and the men living there full time,

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 2>one of whom was John Patler, were evicted. Rockwell did

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.760
<v Speaker 2>manage to arrange to have party member William Luther Pearce

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>purchased most of their things back at the IRS auction

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>later that month. But all the publicity around the IRS

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>raid led to a horrible discovery. When newspapers reported that

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 2>IRS agents discovered a woman in the house with all

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>those Nazis, people were curious and they started digging. Barbara

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Vungetz had been Rockwell's personal secretary for years, but she

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>was more than that. Investigative journalist Jack Anderson published a

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.399
<v Speaker 2>story in January of nineteen sixty six revealing that five

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 2>years earlier, eighteen sixty one, Barbara von Getz gave birth

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:08.720
<v Speaker 2>to a baby girl. The story doesn't outright allege anything

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>about the child's paternity, but it does seem rather pointed

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the way. He notes that the child was given the

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 2>last name of von Getz's ex husband, but the IRS

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>agents didn't see any children in the house. It was

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>just Nazi stormtroopers and Barbara Laurie Gizla Mapp was born

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 2>in December of nineteen sixty one, and she died ten

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 2>months later in October of nineteen sixty two. The paper

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 2>quotes from the coroner's report saying the baby gagged and

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 2>choked to death. Anderson suggested that the child possibly fell

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 2>ill due to the poor conditions of the home, and

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 2>maybe he wasn't just being cruel. Maybe he believed that

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a copy of Laurie's death certificate. I'm always late delivering

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 2>my episode to the editor because I spent an entire

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>day on some horrible little side quest or another sorry rory,

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 2>And this week's time wasting side quest was far more

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 2>horrible than usual, even by my standards. I spent the

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 2>better part of a day looking at thousands of death

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 2>certificates issued for babies under one year old. It took

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 2>some time to find Lorie's. She died on October twenty fifth,

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty two, at Falls Church Medical Center. She was

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 2>ten months and eighteen days old, and her cause of

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:50.359
<v Speaker 2>death was listed as unknown natural. The doctors didn't know

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.720
<v Speaker 2>what was wrong with Laurie, and the death certificate lists

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Barbara's x husband as her father. The truth about both

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:00.919
<v Speaker 2>of those things would come to life a few years later,

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>when Barbara discovered she was pregnant again in late nineteen

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 2>sixty six. She was afraid to tell George Lincoln Rockwell,

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 2>Frank and Claudia Smith spent the month of December down

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 2>at the party headquarters. Rockwell was writing his newest book,

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 2>White Power, and he needed Claudia to type while he dictated.

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>It would turn out to be his final work. But

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know that, and when the Smiths left to

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.399
<v Speaker 2>go back home to Maine in January of nineteen sixty seven,

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Barbara went with them. She stayed with the Smiths at

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:43.240
<v Speaker 2>their home in Maine for months, concealing the pregnancy from Rockwell.

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 2>She didn't really want to raise a baby at the

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Nazi barracks, and even more than that, she was terrified

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>of losing another baby. The doctors had no answers for

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 2>her when Laurie died, So what if the same thing

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 2>happened again? If he don't know what it is, how

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 2>can you stop him. In her later letters to Rockwall's mother,

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 2>she explained that she hid the pregnancy from him because

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 2>she couldn't bear to see him grieve another loss. She

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.560
<v Speaker 2>wanted to wait and see if the child was healthy

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:21.920
<v Speaker 2>before she told him. Barbara von Getz stayed with the

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Smiths for the final months of her pregnancy. When she

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>gave birth, Frank Smith signed the birth certific as the father,

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and Gretchen Virginia Smith was born healthy. In April, when

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Gretchen was a month old, Barbara left her in the

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.839
<v Speaker 2>care of a housewife in Maine. I'm not sure why

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>she didn't leave the baby with Frank and Claudia Smith,

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 2>but she didn't. She returned to Virginia, and she waited

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>another month, and the news from Maine was still good.

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Gretchen was healthy. Laurie had already started to get sick

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>by this age, and Barbara must have been so relieved

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 2>that she had been worried for nothing. So sometime in

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the late spring of nineteen sixty seven, baby Gretchen was

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>brought to Virginia to live with her parents, her real parents.

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 2>When she started having trouble breathing later that summer, doctors

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:24.879
<v Speaker 2>diagnosed her with Verdnig Hoffmann disease, the infant onset subtype

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of spinal muscular atrophy. The disease was identified in the

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>medical literature as early as the eighteen nineties, but diagnosis

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>seemed to have been relatively rare until the nineteen sixties. Today,

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 2>it's thought to be the leading genetic cause of infant mortality,

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.479
<v Speaker 2>but prior to the advent of genetic testing, the cause

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 2>of death was often misunderstood, and very young infants babies

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 2>like Laurie died of respiratory distress or aspiration pneumonia, and

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>nobody knew why. I looked through so old newspapers to

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.240
<v Speaker 2>try and get an idea of what the general public

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 2>understanding of this disease was back then, and I found

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 2>a few articles from the early to mid nineteen sixties

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>about families who were desperate for answers about losing multiple

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:19.359
<v Speaker 2>children to this condition. In nineteen sixty four, a pediatrician

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>told a newspaper in Arkansas that the disease was not hereditary.

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 2>A doctor with a syndicated advice column told a family

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty five that the disease does run in families,

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 2>but nobody knows any more than that, and articles throughout

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties often quote doctors saying that Ferdnig Hoffmann

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 2>disease is just another name for the condition called amatonia congenita.

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Life was different before Google, I know, so I can't

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 2>really blame those doctors with newspaper columns for not being

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>all the way up to date with the medical literature.

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 2>But I also looked at some medical journal articles from

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the forties fifties and sixties, and it seems like as

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 2>early as the nineteen forties there was a general consensus

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>that Bairding Hoffman disease in a my atonia congenita were

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:16.279
<v Speaker 2>two distinct conditions, and it was relatively established fact that

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>this was an inherited condition by the fifties. What I'm

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 2>getting at here is that it's not surprising that a

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 2>pediatrician failed to diagnose Bairding Hoffman disease when Laurie got sick.

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty two, an article published in the Miami

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Herald right around the same time that Louri died, describes

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 2>a young girl in Florida with the condition, and the

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 2>article claimed that there are only fourteen known cases of

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 2>the disease in the United States. With the benefit of

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>modern science, we know now that spinal muscular atrophy affects

0:45:55.880 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 2>about one in ten thousand live births, so it must

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 2>have been one of many babies whose symptoms were a

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 2>medical mystery when they just suddenly went limp and had

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 2>trouble breathing. By the mid nineteen sixties, Jerry Lewis was

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 2>hosting the Muscular Dystrophy Telethon on TV. Muscular atrophy and

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:22.800
<v Speaker 2>muscular dystrophy are separate conditions, but the telethon raised awareness

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 2>about a variety of neuromuscular disorders. The average person was

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 2>more likely to know about the existence of neuromuscular disorders,

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 2>and more scientific research was being done. Now I know

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot more going on behind the scenes.

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying Jerry Lewis's telethon is responsible for advances

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:45.319
<v Speaker 2>in medical science, but there does seem to have been

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a growing public awareness in the nineteen sixties, and it

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.919
<v Speaker 2>corresponds with an increase in news stories about children being

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 2>diagnosed and more medical journal articles about these conditions. So

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 2>by the time Gretchen got sick in nineteen sixty seven,

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 2>her doctor knew what it was. It was a progressive

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>fatal genetic condition that only occurs when both parents carry

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the gene. I can't find any mention of Gretchen, not anywhere.

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 2>When Frank and Claudia testified at John Patler's trial, they

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 2>were both asked about the nature of their relationship with

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:32.840
<v Speaker 2>George Lincoln Rockwell. Claudia testified about her friendship with Barbara,

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.720
<v Speaker 2>but no one ever mentions that she lived with them

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 2>for months just a few months before they were sitting

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>on the stand testifying. I spent hours hunting for documentation

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 2>of any kind. A birth certificate in Maine, a death

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 2>certificate in Virginia, a tombstone, a mention in the newspaper.

0:47:54.800 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find her. The only place Gretchen Virginia Smith

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 2>exists is on a single page of Frederick Simon Elli's

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 2>biography of George Lincoln Rockwell. And the only reason she

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 2>still exists on paper anywhere at all is because Rockwell's

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:16.800
<v Speaker 2>mother ignored Barbara's request to burn the copy of the

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 2>birth certificate she'd mailed her. She did exist. She died

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 2>on August eighteenth, nineteen sixty seven, after two weeks in

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 2>the hospital. George Lincoln Rockwell buried his infant daughter just

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 2>days before he was murdered, and Frank Smith kept that

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 2>secret until his own death in twenty twenty. I spent

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 2>way too long this week reading about mob infemans and

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 2>looking for baby's death certificates. But we have at least

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 2>reached the point in Frank's story where he leaves the

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:59.440
<v Speaker 2>American Nazi Party behind. By the end of nineteen sixty seven,

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Frank Smith had to find a new direction. George Lincoln

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Rockwell was dead, and Raymond Patriarca was under federal indictment.

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.800
<v Speaker 2>All of this really put a damper on Frank's plans

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.759
<v Speaker 2>to unite the Nazi Party on the Mafia behind the

0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>front of a fake church. But he didn't let the

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 2>dream die. It would just take him a few more

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 2>years to get ordained into the Church of White Supremacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Little Guys is a production of Cool Zone Media

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<v Speaker 2>and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me Willy Kunger.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Sophie Lichtermann and Robert Evans. The

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<v Speaker 2>show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The

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<v Speaker 2>theme music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email

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<v Speaker 2>me at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>I will definitely read it, but I almost certainly will

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<v Speaker 2>not answer it. It's nothing personal. I don't answer any

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<v Speaker 2>of my emails. You can exchange conspiracy theories about the

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<v Speaker 2>show with other listeners on the Weird Little Guys subreddit.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't post anything that's going to make you one

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<v Speaker 2>of my Weird Little Guys