1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Soon. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Osher. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into this week's Ozone podcast from the 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: Grove in London, and I'm joined by I like to 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: say at the top if I really enjoy a guest, 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: and it goes without saying that, I really enjoy always 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: talking to Jaguars safety Andrew Winguard. Thanks for doing this, Bud. 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for the intro, John, I appreciate it. 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: How Uh, for some reason, right before we started here, 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: I realized I've never asked you did do we pre 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: date the Jaguars? Have you always been Dewey or did 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: the fans here started? Where did that start? 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: I have? 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: I've been Dewey for about as long as I can live. 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: My dad kind of started it when I was jeez, 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: probably two or three years old. I know, we had 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: a lot of young neighbor kids when we lived in 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: Alice who couldn't say there are ours. I used to 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: be called Drew and somehow got to do. And then 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: when School of Rock came out and Jack Black was 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: Dewey Finn and it's skyrocketed. So the fan of the 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 3: movie or not, Oh, that is easily me and my 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: Dad's probably favorite movie of all time. We'll watch it 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: at least once a year together, and it's just that 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: that's our For whatever reason, that sort of humor just 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: is us. 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: So is it a movie where do you have to 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: watch it or can you quote it all the way 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: straight through? Oh? 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: I could quote the entire thing straight through easily. 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: Okay, My son and I had that with Remember the Titans. Yep, 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: same deal. Those are cool, cool movies to have with 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: your parents. Year seven. I assume it's hard to believe. 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 3: It's crazy, especially in the National Football League undrafted free 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: agent and here I am with the same team for 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: seven years. It's like, Wow, that's crazy. It's it's hard 38 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: to think that I was able to do that, and 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: it's just a blessing. 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: You know. 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: I've come to love Jacksonville, and you know, I'm now 42 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: to the point where I'm like, dang, I can't see 43 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: myself anywhere else. 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of I just you know. 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: I want to stay here as long as possible, and 46 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: I love that I'm getting this opportunity, and I just 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: I want to win with this team so bad and 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: create a culture and and be around here so I'm 49 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: just taking it day by day and enjoying it. 50 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: And I've talked to you before about this, but early 51 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: on in your career is some fan criticism, no doubt, 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: Now they you know, it's become a fantastic relationship. I guess. 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: Talk about the evolution of that and how cool that's been. 54 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been cool. You know, early on 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: in my career, I'm an undrafted guy thrust into the 56 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 3: fire on a team that is not good, right and 57 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: there I'm out there. I haven't changed a lot as 58 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: a player. 59 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: You know. 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: Obviously, I've made mistakes, and the best players in this 61 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: league make mistakes. And for whatever reason, when I was 62 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 3: young and out there, I was someone that people wanted 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: to pile it on and great. You know, God has 64 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: given me a lot of tests in life, and that 65 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: was a test for me, cause when I was at Wyoming, 66 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: you know, everybody loved me, you know, and when when 67 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 3: you're a guy that you feel like, oh, no one 68 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: could ever looked out and look bad at me, and 69 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: then people, you know, people get on you and you're 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: you're looking at it, you're reading it. 71 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: There's your first issue. You know. 72 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you stop reading it, get out of. 73 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: The streets if you can't take the heat, ay, but 74 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: be that all that stuff is irrelevant, you know what 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: I mean. And then back to the original point, it's 76 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: like I'm the same player that I was, and being 77 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: out there, I made some mistakes, but it was like 78 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: I got better and I got better and I got better, 79 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: and then finally I stopped buying into that stuff and 80 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: just played my game. And then I you know, twenty 81 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: twenty two rolls around and it's like, oh, we're on 82 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: a winning team. The team's doing well in this this 83 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: wingered guy, he's playing well. I think I like him now. 84 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: And it's always like you gotta win games too for 85 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: that stuff. But again, back to the original point, I'd 86 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: put it away. But when you get that other side 87 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: of where the fans, you know, it's like it was 88 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: always the Jags. Dewey, our assistant GM, came out to 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: me the other day and he was like, Hey, when 90 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: I was sitting up in the box the other day, 91 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: I saw a ton of forty two jerseys And when 92 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: he told me that, I just was like, I was like, man, 93 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: that's just you know, God has been so good to 94 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: me because I could have been I could have built 95 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: up a you know, resentment that could have been like, 96 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: screw you, f you guys, I'm never gonna, you know, 97 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: buy into fan love ever again. But you know, it 98 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: feels really good. But at the same time, you know, 99 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: you win, they're gonna love you. You lose, they're gonna 100 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: hate you. You just gotta stay ten toes down, accept 101 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: the love when it's there. And you know, it's super 102 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 3: cool to think about from where I came and now 103 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: her assistant GMC and wing your jerseys at Too Stadium 104 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: and we're having success. 105 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool. 106 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought of this today, But 107 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: you came into the league same years as Josh heines out. 108 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: Do you ever think how different the roads are? Oh 109 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: he comes in its number seven overall pick. But you're 110 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: I guess the two most tenured players on defense could 111 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: smoot left them. 112 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually me and Josh talk about that all 113 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 3: the time. Like every time me and Josh like give 114 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: each other a hug, like on game day, we always say, 115 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: you know, nineteen nineteen, like nineteen boys, and that's kind 116 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: of our thing, and we always tell people like Josh 117 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 3: was the first I was the last. So it's actually 118 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: it makes me look better than Josh, sure, just because 119 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: you know, cool, you're the. 120 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: First pick they wanted you. 121 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: I was the guy with the five thousand dollars signing 122 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: bonus and here I am how what it was? 123 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: So I too my own horn. But it's pretty cool. 124 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: And to be with a teammate that long, me and 125 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: Josh have just you know, it's crazy in the NFL. 126 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 3: You know, you never expect that you're going to be 127 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: around people for too long, so it's hard to kind 128 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: of make, you know, really buying into friendships. But to 129 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: be around a guy like that, he's now one of 130 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 3: my best friends on the team and you know, love 131 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: that guy, so super cool. 132 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: Tell me about this year's team. First, I think first 133 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: real adversity faced the other day. Coming back from that, 134 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: how do you expect this team to respond? 135 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: Well? 136 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, you come off a Monday night 137 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: game that felt like the Super Bowl honestly, So you 138 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: go into that game three and one, that was a 139 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: huge game, and that's our first real like, okay, we 140 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 3: got a primetime game. We're a front runner in the 141 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: league right now, so that was huge. And then you 142 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: get a day less of preparation time, a day less 143 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: on the body. And then on the flip side, Seattle's 144 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: coming off a tough loss against Tampa, who's one of 145 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: the best teams in the league. So going into that game, 146 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: I mean. 147 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: A physical team, yeah, and since coming beat up a 148 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: little bit. 149 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. 150 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: But then, like I was saying, just the mental side 151 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: of it, we're coming off a massive win. It's kind 152 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: of like, Okay, we're four and one. Whoo, they're coming 153 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: off a bad, you know, a tough loss and they're 154 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: fired up. So there was definitely that aspect. But that's 155 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: a good team and now it's our turn to come 156 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 3: off a loss and prove that you're a great team. 157 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: And that's really the key to this week is it's 158 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 3: you know, the best teams you don't lose two in 159 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 3: a row. You know, you bounce back quick, and the 160 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: best teams in this league are the most resilient ones. 161 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: So it's gonna be a test of resilience this week. 162 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: And you know, LA is a really good team, so 163 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: you never know, and you know what, we might lose 164 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: two in a row and then guess what, the week 165 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: after the bye week is our next bounce back. So 166 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: that's gonna that's gonna be how it is gonna have 167 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: to be this year. And you know, I talked to 168 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: Rob Hainsey and he said, you know what, I can't 169 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: remember exactly the record, but he was like, Hey, we're 170 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: gonna have to be a long haul team this year. 171 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: He was like Dewey last year in Tampa we were 172 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: I believe, like they were like three and one or something. 173 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: He's under five hundred later than usual. 174 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: Right, and then they lost like three or four straight, 175 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: and he's like, Dewey, it could be like that, our 176 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: most important thing is no panic and we just keep going. 177 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: We just keep going, We keep going, we keep going, 178 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: and that's gonna be the key honestly for the whole season. 179 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: But again, back to this game, like I said, it's 180 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: just that test of resilience. We got to bounce back. 181 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: And you know, you can't ever look at a team like, oh, 182 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: it's the Rams, like you can never pencil in wins, 183 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: and you especially can't pencil in like a loss in 184 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: this league, like where you're gonna like, oh, it's gonna 185 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: have to be this out of body experience, like no, 186 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: like we're an NFL team, like weekend week out, who cares? 187 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: So that's kind of the mindset this week. 188 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: When did you know that this regime was right? 189 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: I can't really say that I had like a certain moment, 190 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: but you could just feel it. You know, Camp is young. 191 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: Camp has been under really good coaches, and you can 192 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: tell that he has the culture side of it to 193 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: where your play how he's going to coach your play style. 194 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: But then he has the x's and O side of it. 195 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: So the second I heard him start, you know, dialing 196 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: up x's and O stuff, I was like, Okay, this 197 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: guy's for real. And then Liam, you can just tell 198 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: that Liam has thought about being a head coach for 199 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: a long time. It wasn't just like, you know, he's 200 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: this good OC and all of a sudden he's on 201 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 3: the head coaching carousel and he's like, oh crap, I'm 202 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: not truly prepared for this. You can tell that he's 203 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: been thinking about it for a long time, and you 204 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: can tell that all that thinking has made him prepared 205 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: for it. He's obviously had a vision for how it's 206 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: going to go, and I think that's kind of coming 207 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 3: to fruition. So those two things, for sure, definitely, as 208 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: a player, You're like you can feel it, and again 209 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: you obviously gravitate towards that. And then you look at 210 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: you know, James and Tony and there's just, you know, 211 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: there's something about him, some for sure about Tony that's like, Okay, 212 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: this guy loves Jacksonville. He wants to be here, he 213 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: knows what it's like to play here. He understands this 214 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: community and how to like get to the fans. And 215 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: then James, you can again tell kind of like how 216 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: it was with Liam, just like it wasn't by chance 217 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: that he was just like, oh, I'm on the GM carousel. 218 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: It was like you could obviously tell that he's thought 219 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: about it, and you know he goes out and makes 220 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: us splash early with drafting Trav. So there's just been 221 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff where you go, these guys are assertive, 222 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: these guys are aggressive, these guys are. 223 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: Empty in the clip. 224 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: So I think that those combinations are really what has 225 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: you know, fed down to us as players. 226 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: You've it's always striking to talk to you or listen 227 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: to you about opportunity. And what I'm getting at is 228 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: early in the season or an even preseason, I heard 229 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: you and you were being interviewed. Look, I've always been 230 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: a star in this league, always thought to myself that way, 231 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: just han't had the opportunity to do it. That's always 232 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: been your belief, always been your core belief. How have 233 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: you stayed with that belief during tough times? And how 234 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: much does it help you? 235 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean how you see yourself and how you 236 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: decree what you are in your mind? It comes to life. 237 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: And you know, I was a I was a four 238 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: year starter at Wyoming. Like, I didn't play special teams, 239 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 3: I didn't do anything. I was a scholarship guy, and 240 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 3: I was a backup. In my first game and week two, 241 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: my coach says, hey, you're starting. I started fifty two 242 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: straight games and had you know, thousands of tackles and 243 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 3: had like thirteen picks. So like, I go back even 244 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: and look at my stat line compared to like guys 245 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: these days, and I even go watch some of my 246 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: film And this isn't me tooting my own horn, but 247 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: it's absolutely it's crazy that I wasn't drafted. And it 248 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: was crazy. I was just like I just I don't understand. 249 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: I'd never understood it. Now internally, I now know why 250 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 3: I wasn't drafted, and God put me in the absolute 251 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: right positions and gave me everything I needed to have, 252 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: all my motivation. 253 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: But I'm a safety. That's what I do. 254 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: I play this game, and I play it the right way. 255 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: And I never lost belief based on what was around me. 256 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: And so, like you said, when the opportunity has come knocking, 257 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: I've been able to go do it. And thankfully, you know, 258 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: as when you're a backup, you have a lot of 259 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 3: time to think, and when you can think about things, 260 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: you know, you build things in your mind. And thankfully 261 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: I was able to read all these books and educate 262 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: myself and push myself mentally during all this thinking. So 263 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: I pushed my thought and then eventually my thought pushed 264 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: trying to get better in my mind. Physically, it just 265 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: I got better and better and better. And you know, 266 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: here I am. A chance has come and I've put 267 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: myself in a good spot, and I'm never satisfied. That's 268 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: the beauty of it is. I'm still an undrafted free 269 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: agent till the day I die, so I'm never gonna 270 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: be satisfied. I shouldn't say that comfortable. I'm never gonna 271 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: be comfortable. I'm always and now I'm in that point 272 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: of where I can't be too hard on myself, you know. 273 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: You know, looking back on last game, I gave up 274 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 3: that play at the end. I was one hundred percent 275 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 3: on me and I beautifully in my mind mature wise, 276 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna be better from that. 277 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: Before my lie, I would I would put myself on 278 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: the coals here there. I wouldn't be able to get 279 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: over that, you know. And now it's the point of like, Okay, 280 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: let's move along the best. And I always, I always 281 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: love to say like Tom Brady through interceptions, Peyton Manning 282 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: through interceptions. You know, Jalen Ramsey one of the best 283 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: corners in the league. He's gonna give up a touchdown 284 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 3: every now and again. So you definitely can't hold yourself 285 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: to too high of a standard, too much of a perfectionist. 286 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: But again, back to your point, I'm still an undrafted 287 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: free agent and I'm just gonna take it day by 288 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 3: day and get better and better and better and never 289 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: be satisfied and try to keep it as long as 290 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: I can. 291 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: Do you ever pause to reflect on uh, I'll try 292 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: to use the right language. You've seen some stuff here. 293 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, oh yeah. 294 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: How much? Uh you know, uh, I guess I'll phrase 295 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: it like this, How cool is it right now to 296 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: feel like because it feels more solid than it's ever 297 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: felt to me? How cool will it be to be 298 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: part of that of what you sense is happening? 299 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's crazy too, Like I've thought about that, 300 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: I've thought about that stadium being packed. I've thought about 301 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: the feeling in the community of when the Jaggs are winning. 302 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: I've thought about year and year out, this contender, this 303 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: you know, this top of the line team, and it's 304 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: sort of you know, it's sort of doing it. But again, 305 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 3: I always will always say take it day by day 306 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: and do not ever think for a second that you've 307 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: made it, because this league will humble you so fast, 308 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: and the second you start we're the best and we're 309 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: going to make the playoffs, boom it hits you. 310 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 311 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: So you just got to go day by day and 312 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: you got to stay as dilled as you possibly can. 313 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: So that's kind of what we're trying to do here now. 314 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of us on the team, 315 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: especially guys from twenty twenty two and twenty three, now 316 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: understand that to where like, hey, guys, like because you're 317 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: eight and three does not mean it's just this. You 318 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: know this walk in because we've been on those teams 319 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: where late in the year you're playing the front runners 320 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: and you're the team that's three and ten and you 321 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: go beat them because they're worried about other things and 322 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: you guys are just out there playing free because you're 323 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: not gonna make the playoffs. So there's gonna be challenges 324 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: this year every single week. And that's the key for 325 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: us in that locker room is guys who've been through 326 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: it and guys who have all these lessons. And I 327 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: think that's one of the things that's helping this team 328 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: is you got these new coaches coming in, but you 329 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: have a court. It's weird because like Liam didn't inherit 330 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: just this, you know, this dumpster fire like rebuild. You 331 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: know great, And I'm not taking anything away from their coaching, 332 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: but you got you know, you still got Foyer, you 333 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: got Trayvon, you got Josh, you got Devin Lloyd. You 334 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: know guys who were on that twenty two team. You 335 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: got Trevor, you got I can't remember you know Travis obviously, Walker, 336 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: little guys who. 337 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: Are on that, like guys who've been through that. 338 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: Sure, right, So it's like you get you mix that 339 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: coaching staff with an experienced team that has been a 340 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: playoff team. It's like, Okay, I think that's why it's 341 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: we're having a lot of success. 342 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, makes sense. 343 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: Last thing we do call it the Ozone five Andrew Wingers. 344 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: What was your last binge watch? 345 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: I've been watching. It's called Eerie Hall. It's on Netflix. 346 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: I actually haven't finished it, but it's a real life 347 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: It was like a haunting or a ghost something in 348 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: the eighties up in New York. 349 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: Its very scary and sleep Well, what's your pregame song 350 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: or artist? 351 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: Pregame song is Master of Puppets Metallica on full blast. 352 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: That kind of just for whatever reason, just gets me going, Uh, your. 353 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: Go to show growing up? 354 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's tough. 355 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: I would say I didn't watch shows when I was 356 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: going up, but I watched movies, and the Lord of 357 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: the Rings trilogy was my absolute favorite. 358 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 2: You must see athlete, must. 359 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 3: See athlete, you know this is this is this one's crazy. 360 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: But Rex Burghead was like my guy when he was 361 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: at Nebraska, like white running back, he was my guy. Okay, 362 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: so he's maybe not my muscy athlete, but he was like, 363 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: you want to talk about my idol athlete. 364 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: It was Rex Berkhead. 365 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: Did you ever imagine it's always the Jags would have 366 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: the staying power. I'm sure people say that to you 367 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 2: when you're out. 368 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: I wish I would have trademarked. 369 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: I wish it wouldn't have had Jags in it, because 370 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: I actually tried to trademark it, but since it had 371 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: Jags in it, I couldn't do it. But it got 372 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: me a new contract, I like to say, so sure 373 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: I was compensated for it, but just the fact, I mean, 374 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: I think I think they still have it in their 375 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 3: bio on Instagram. So I wish I could think of 376 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 3: something cooler and you know, make it go. But here 377 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: it is. And I actually I talked my sports psychologist. 378 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: I talked to a bunch. He was like, that's an 379 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: actual psychological principle. When you get a group of people 380 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 3: and you have you find a saying that's like tangible, 381 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: it creates this insane power. So that was the coolest thing. 382 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 3: Looking back on it was like we fed off that 383 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 3: so much, and like the fans fed off that so much. 384 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: It just created this like power, honestly, like and there's 385 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: crazy forces in this world that people don't know about, 386 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: and sometimes unconsciously you tap into it and boom. So 387 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: I think we I don't know what, we win like 388 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: seven straight games at the end of twenty two or something, 389 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: and yeah, so who knows? 390 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: And Ingrid and who I'd enjoyed. I always do. 391 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so many, Yeah, appreciate you