1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties, 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast, near listeners, old listeners, wherever 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: you are in the world. Thank you for joining me 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: today for another episode, one that I am really fascinated by, 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: beyond excited for, and that I think is highly relevant 9 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: not only in my own life, but amongst many of 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: my fellow twenty something year olds. And that is a 11 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: life beyond the nine to five and how we can 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of leave behind this lifestyle and this conception of 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: work to have more freedom and more flexibility. There has 14 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: been a lot of personal inspiration for this episode in 15 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: my life recently. If you listened to my episode on 16 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: taking Risks or you follow along with me on Instagram, 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: you will know that I have recently quit my nine 18 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: to five job to finally pursue the podcast full time, 19 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: and I'm so excited. I signed with iHeartRadio, who are 20 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: an incredible partner and an incredible home for this podcast. 21 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: Really believe in the ethos and the vision for the show, 22 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: and it's been something that I've wanted to do for 23 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: a while. This show, this podcast, this community is so 24 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: important to me, and it's grown from being just a 25 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: hobby to the only thing I really ever want to do. 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: I just love making content. I love being able to 27 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: have the freedom to explore different ideas, to read up 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: and research about all the psychology. It really is the 29 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: best job in the world. And my decision to do 30 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: this has also coincided with a lot of disillusionment I 31 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: feel that I have with the nine to five work 32 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: week and the nine to five lifestyle. I think a 33 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: lot of us in our twenties have become disillusioned with 34 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: this idea that our lives need to be defined by work, 35 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: particularly a nine to five office job. There has been 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: this massive shift where we have realized that there is 37 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: more to life than work, and there are actually alternatives 38 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: in which we can pursue our lives, pursue our hobbies, 39 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: enjoy what life has to offer, and also work flexibly 40 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: and be able to support ourselves. What many of us 41 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: in this generation are doing is pushing back against this 42 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: indoctrinated narrative that life needs to be this very linear 43 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: journey where we have to follow this very strict blueprint. 44 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, we graduate high school, we go to university, 45 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: we get a nine to five job. We work this 46 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: same job until we're sixty sixty five years old, we retire, 47 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: and then we can really start to enjoy life when 48 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: our youth has already passed, when some of the best 49 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: days of our lives have actually been consumed by doing 50 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: all of this labor and working really hard for someone else. 51 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: But I also think we are being confronted with a 52 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: lot of seriously existential questions around job security and the 53 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: future of our planet and the world, and we're pushing 54 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: back against the narrative for more freedom, for more flexibility, 55 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: and for more joy. Life is so much more than work. 56 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: But sometimes we forget that because we have been in 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: some ways manipulated or brainwashed by generations of industrial culture 58 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: and societal pressure into thinking at work is the center 59 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: of our lives and the center of our universe. I 60 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: personally deeply disagree with that, and psychology proves this as 61 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: well and demonstrates to us how our lives greatly improve 62 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: in quality and our happiness improves as well when we 63 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: do have a more flexible working condition, and we have 64 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: time to pursue the things that we love, spend quality 65 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: time with family, out in nature, enjoying our hobbies, and 66 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a life that we can all have. 67 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: There will be different alternatives. My path is not going 68 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: to be everyone's path, but for everyone there will be 69 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: an opportunity to create this lifestyle for yourself. This is 70 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: a generation that is going to do that. Those of 71 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: us in our twenties, I think are more acutely aware 72 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: of what else is out there, and we are willing 73 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: to explore that. And I want to encourage that today. 74 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to enlist you in some Ponzi 75 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: or pyramid scheme. I promise this is just my story, 76 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: and I know this is something that people are interested 77 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: in because obviously the nine to five job is no 78 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: longer attractive for many people. It's not necessarily about being 79 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: your own boss, but fitting work in around life rather 80 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: than life revolving around work. That's going to look different 81 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: for different people. But I do want to share my 82 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: experience today about how I have transitioned away from full 83 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: time work. I'm hoping this can provide some guidance and 84 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: also some information about how I made the choice, what 85 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: the impact has been on me, some of the psychology 86 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: behind why I felt my nine to five job was 87 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: not the best for my mental health or my well being, 88 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: and how you can do it too, as well as 89 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: what are some of the risks to be prepared for, 90 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: but ultimately why I think those risks are those that 91 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: you should be willing to take. So let's jump into 92 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: it and discuss why it may be time time to 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: leave the nine to five lifestyle behind for good. I 94 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: think implicittly, we know that most office jobs and nine 95 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: to fives are not very natural. We would much rather 96 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: be out in nature or creating something beautiful, spending time 97 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: with family and friends, or simply having the hours in 98 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: our day to actually get through our to do list 99 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: and do the things that we need to keep us alive, 100 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: like grocery shopping. The nine to five removes us from 101 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: these simple pleasures because it capitalizes on our most productive 102 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: waking hours. Nine to five jobs are a relic from 103 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: the past when manufacturing jobs dominated the workforce and was 104 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: a primary industry in a lot of areas and regions. 105 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: So Henry ford Ford like the car, he was the 106 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: creator of the Ford I guess he was one of 107 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: the major business owners to come up with this idea 108 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: of the standard forty hour work week, and this was 109 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: based on the demands he was placing on his factory 110 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: workers and his manufacturing lines to meet supply and demand 111 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: requirements for those who wanted to buy his vehicles. That 112 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: is no longer applicable in most industries. The pandemic in particular, 113 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: I think, has shown us, as well as many innovative 114 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: companies and even countries, that allowing people to have more 115 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: flexible hours, or work remotely, or even adopt a four 116 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: day work week not only increases productivity and innovation, but 117 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: also overall employee health. The problem with the nine to five, 118 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: as I see it, and as psychology sees it, is 119 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: that it takes up our main productive weeking hours and 120 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: capitalizes on this so that when we're done, we feel exhausted. Also, 121 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 1: it never really is a nine to five like we're sold. 122 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: It's much more like an eight to six or longer 123 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: when we account for things like overtime and our commute 124 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: as well. In my last job, I think it was 125 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: actually a rarity for me to finish at five. I 126 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: worked in consulting, which is infamously known for its very 127 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: long hours and high pressure environments, and my days were 128 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: always a lot longer than I had anticipated. Regular office 129 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: hours they pose a pretty serious threat to our mood 130 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: and our mental health for a couple of reasons. So, 131 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: according to a study conducted at Oxford, these hours are 132 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: not aligned to our circadian rhythm, which dictates when we 133 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: are going to feel the most productive, most active, and 134 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: most energized. Most of us can actually not fully focus 135 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: before ten am, according to this research, and forcing our 136 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: brains to jump straight into an activity straight after sleep 137 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: can just leave us feeling more exhausted. Beyond that, I 138 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: think that a lot of these jobs also encourage inactivity. 139 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: If we are sedentary, that is bad for our physical health. 140 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Sitting down in an office chair, even if your office 141 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: encourages standing desks or something like that, you're still standing 142 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: still or sitting still for most of the day. That's 143 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: not great for our body. Our bodies were made to move, 144 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: they were made to be active, so encouraging a lifestyle 145 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: in which that is not always possible is going to 146 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: put our physical health at risk. They can also be 147 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: so draining, especially when you're doing something that is not 148 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: fulfilling when we think about it, logically, we spend like 149 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: sixty percent of our days in an office, almost eight 150 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: hours or more. And if you feel stressed, if you 151 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: feel unfulfilled, that is ultimately going to bleed into your 152 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: overall approach to life and how we're feeling. Stress in 153 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: particular has a long term impact on our body. It's 154 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: associated with high cordisile levels, which is the stress hormone, 155 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: and when that remains in our system for too long, 156 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: or when it's repeatedly activated, this impacts on our immune system. 157 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: It makes us more susceptible to certain illnesses and infections. 158 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: It also impacts how fast our body ages, and it's 159 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: linked to a number of mental health conditions. I think 160 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: stress and the stress associated with nine to five office 161 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: culture is one component of this equation, but the other 162 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: is boredom. Perhaps boredom I think is the opposite of stress. 163 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: It's when your work is both unfulfilling and also totally 164 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: tedious and boring. I'm sure we have all had this 165 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: experience where we have had to do something that our 166 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: brain could probably do whilst we were asleep. And our 167 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: brain deserves stimulation, it deserves a rich environment in twenty fourteen, 168 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: these psychologists at the University of Virginia, they actually examined this, 169 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: but they did it by accident, so it was a 170 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: really simple experiment, and they placed subjects in a room 171 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: by themselves with no distractions for ten minutes, and what 172 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: they wanted to see was our imagination. They wanted to 173 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: see what our brains would create and give the subjects 174 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: possibilities to really engage in some of that mental creativity 175 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: and see what they came up with. But what they 176 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: actually found was that without stimulation, many of the participants 177 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: became incredibly uncomfortable, to the point that when they ran 178 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: this study again, they gave participants the option to self 179 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: administer electric shocks and most of them actually did it 180 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: just to pass the time. Boredom causes us so much 181 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: discomfort in our brains in our bodies that it can 182 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: actually increase our drive to take part in behavi we 183 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: know are harmful. In the case of this research, that 184 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: was actually self inflicting physical pain. But in the real 185 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: world we are also more likely to see higher rates 186 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: of risky behaviors like substance abuse, excessive drinking, gambling, and 187 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: even reckless driving amongst people who are suffering from excessive 188 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: boredom like that associated with a tedious, boring job. It 189 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: also increases our irritability, the number of negative emotions we experience, 190 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: and our relationships. I think that is such a compelling 191 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: argument for why we should be seeking out an alternative, 192 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: especially if you are working in a job that is 193 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: entirely unfulfilling, where you feel completely drained. You feel like 194 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: you are not contributing to your society and also not 195 00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: even contributing to making your life better. We get one life, 196 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: why not spend it making amazing memories, spending quality time 197 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: doing the things we love, having flexibility and freedom beyond 198 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: the office. That brings me to my next reason. I 199 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: deeply believe that the nine to five job it causes 200 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: us to become detached or separated for what truly matters. 201 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: Work doesn't matter, work, really, it doesn't matter. It's a 202 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: paycheck in my mind. Maybe that's because I've never really 203 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: worked in an environment where I've been particularly motivated. You know, 204 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: my podcast doesn't actually feel like work. It's something that 205 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm deeply passionate about, and maybe that's how you feel 206 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: about your job. But I think what can often happen 207 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: is we become so invested and tied up in the 208 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: goals of our company or the goals that we have 209 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: around work, that it causes us to forget about what 210 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: truly matters. We all have stories of people we know 211 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: who work long hours, not just because they're required to, 212 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: but because their work has become their personality, and it's 213 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: not their fault. When you are required to spend the 214 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: majority of your hours doing something, our brain is going 215 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: to have a cognitive dissonance, and it's going to begin 216 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: to convince us that we're actually happy in that environment 217 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: and integrate it into part of our identity. Nine to 218 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: five jobs they also just simply take us away from 219 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: nature and new experiences and time to do things that 220 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: we love. It's not just the hours, right, It's not 221 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: just that nine to five are our primary waking hours. 222 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: It's the fact that most of us only get four 223 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: weeks of holiday time, four weeks to actually go out 224 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: and explore our environment, to make new memories with the 225 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: people we love. That was really compelling for me when 226 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: I was making my decision. But before I get to 227 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: my experience, I do just want to bring up this 228 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: other theory which I really believe in, and that is 229 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: that the nine to five job and office jobs in particular, 230 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: actually separate us from our instinctial urges, and from an 231 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: evolutionary standpoint, they are highly unnatural. So our ancestors, our 232 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: very early ancestors, they spent their days problem solving and 233 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: roaming around, exploring new environments, foraging and hunting and being 234 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: stimulated by multiple things in their environment. They had to 235 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: use different parts of their brains, different parts of their 236 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: bodies to survive and to essentially will live and support 237 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: their kin and their children and their offspring. And what 238 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: that led to was a very well adapted, complex brain, 239 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: the same brain that we still have today. And our 240 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: brain wants the same things. It wants to be entertained. 241 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: It wants to problem solve, It wants to be able 242 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: to explore and use its senses and use its functions 243 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: to fulfill our goals and our desires and our objectives. 244 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: When we put our brain into an environment that is 245 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: not conducive to that, like a very stale office, or 246 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: into ours that don't actually fit around our circadian rhythm 247 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: and our natural urges, we cut ourselves off from those instincts, 248 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: from our inherent nature. Obviously, it's nice to have security. 249 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Our priorities have obviously changed. We no longer need to 250 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: go and forage or gather or hunt our food. It's 251 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: a great, great step forward. I don't think I would 252 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: have survived in that environment. But I do also believe 253 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: that it's been taken too far to a point where 254 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: sometimes our jobs don't even give us the financial freedom 255 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: to afford the things that we need, and yet they 256 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: take up so much of our time. This is where 257 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: my disillusionment stemmed from, and I want to talk about 258 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: my experience just for a little bit here. I think 259 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: I have always known that the nine to five job 260 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be for me. I always had these 261 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: dreams about starting my own business, or being an entertainer, 262 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: or doing something that gave me more flexibility and room 263 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: to explore. But I graduated from university and the next 264 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: natural step for me was to go and get a job. 265 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: And at the time the job that I got, I 266 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: thought that was my dream job. I genuinely was elated. 267 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: I was so excited when I knew that I was 268 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: going to be starting with this company, and they were 269 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: a great company, they were amazing. I do genuinely love 270 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: my coworkers and some of the things I was able 271 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: to work on, but a massive part of me also 272 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: felt really, really unfulfilled. I said it before, but I 273 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: was working in consulting and the hours they are not 274 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: nine to five, they are for me sometimes it was 275 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: like seven am to nine pm. That did not give 276 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: me time to enjoy my life, like none at all, 277 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: and I was quite frankly miserable. I was really suffering. 278 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't sleeping, I never had time to exercise. I 279 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: was trying to squeeze in time to socialize with my friends. 280 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: Normally that went, you know, going out for drinks after work, 281 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: which is always fun, but I kind of wanted a 282 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: little bit more. I wanted to be able to go 283 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: to the beach with them, or go to an art gallery, 284 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: or do something a little bit more fulfilling and productive. 285 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: And I was finding that I did not have that opportunity. 286 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: Alongside that I was doing my podcast alongside working, and 287 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: I know that that was a self inflicted burden, but 288 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: it just ate into all of my time that I 289 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: would usually be devoting to my hobbies, and it was 290 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: a huge adjustment, one that I think I never really 291 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: did adjust to I said it before, but I was 292 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: genuinely miserable. I was so sad, I was depressed. I 293 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: really felt incredibly unfulfilled. I felt so unfulfilled, and I 294 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: was blessed enough to have this thing, this podcast, that 295 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to do full time because this 296 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: was what made me feel alive, this was what made 297 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: me feel motivated. I can spend twelve hours a day 298 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: working on this show because I feel so happy doing 299 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: that and content and I feel like I'm making a difference. 300 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: But spending twelve fourteen hours working for someone else in 301 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: an office doing tedious tasks was just it, wasn't it. 302 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: And the interesting thing was, whilst I was going through 303 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: this experience, I was having so many conversations with my 304 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: friends who felt the exact same way, and some of 305 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: them actually took the leap and decided to go out 306 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: on their own or do something different. I think it 307 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: was this one conversation I had with my friend where 308 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: I realized how quickly the last three years of my 309 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: life had gone by. And I was looking through my 310 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: camera role and yes there was a highlight reel, but 311 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: most of the time it was empty. It was empty 312 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: of experiences. It was empty of fulfillment. And so many 313 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: people in my life were saying the same thing. So 314 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: many people in their twenties were becoming so disillusioned with 315 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: this idea that we had been sold. It almost felt 316 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: like a bit of a trojan horse, like we had 317 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: been offered this amazing idea of security and of a 318 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: purpose and of financial freedom, and none of those things 319 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: were really coming true for us. I have friends who 320 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 1: were working ridiculous hours for such little pay. Like we 321 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: sat down and it was when you account for the 322 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: hours they work over time, compared to their base salary, 323 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: they were making less than minimum wage. That is a 324 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow. That is a hard dream to 325 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: keep persons doing if you never feel like you are 326 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: getting any reward. So I decided to quit. I decided 327 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: to leave it behind. And it was really terrifying. I 328 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: think that, like many of us, my family and the 329 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: culture and the society around me had never really shown 330 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: me success stories of what it would look like if 331 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: I didn't pursue this way of life, what it would 332 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: look like to exist outside the realm of the nine 333 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: to five. So it was terrifying. It was genuinely, really terrifying, 334 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: and I wished that I had someone who had done 335 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: it before me, who could have sat me down and 336 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: said it's all going to be okay. And now I'm 337 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: that person. I'm that person for anyone out there who 338 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: was thinking should I do this? The answer is yes. 339 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: The answer is yes. My whole life and my attitude 340 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: towards life has completely changed with this transition, and it 341 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: ranges from really small things like I found that I'm 342 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: eating better because I'm not constantly overworked and just looking 343 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: for something that is convenient. I have time to actually 344 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: invest in putting good food into my body. I have 345 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: time to exercise. The other day, I went for a 346 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: walk in the sun, and I realized that like the 347 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: last two three years, except for on the weekends, there 348 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: were so many days where I never went outdoors. And 349 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: that just felt so unnatural for me, because that is 350 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: how we are meant to exist. We are meant to 351 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: be outside, we are meant to be exploring nature, and 352 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: just having that opportunity to do that was such a 353 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: small joy and it was so beautiful. I will say 354 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm not working less hours. I think I'm working more, 355 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: but that's just because I'm more motivated than ever to 356 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: just explore and put out amazing content and write great episodes. 357 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: I just can't stop myself. I'm a little bit of 358 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: a perfectionist and a workaholic in that way. But I 359 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: realized the hours were kind of never the problem. It 360 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: was my sense of fulfillment and it was my sense 361 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: of flexibility. And that's the most beautiful thing that I 362 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: think this lifestyle offers is that you can decide when 363 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: you wake up. You can decide how much effort you 364 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: really put in, which is I guess correlated with your 365 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: output in a way that you can't do when you're 366 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: working in an office and people require things from you. 367 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: But you can also set your own schedule the other day. 368 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: I know I'm giving so many examples here, but when 369 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: I moved to Sydney, the thing that was so attractive 370 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: to me was being able to go to the beach, 371 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: and I would only be able to go on the weekends, 372 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: and now I can go in the middle of the day. 373 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: That freedom is so beautiful. That freedom is like insanely 374 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: special to me. To be able to actually prioritize the 375 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: things in my life that I want to do. I 376 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: know it's another common experience whereby one of my friends 377 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: said this to me the other day. We make this 378 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: money at our nine to five jobs. It's a secure wage. 379 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: It's a secure in which I think we cannot understate. 380 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: But then we actually don't have time to spend it 381 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: because nothing's really open after five pm. The sun is set. 382 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: You can't You know, you can online shop, you can 383 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: do those things, but those are not as gratifying as 384 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: being able to go out and do things with your 385 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: friends and actually spend the money in a way that 386 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: you want to, rather than just on one holiday or 387 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: one trip a year. So I think the main thing, 388 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: and the main message I want to communicate is that 389 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: the risk has been worth it for me. I have 390 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: been able to transform my life in a way that 391 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: I always dreamed of, in a way that is so 392 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: much better for my lifestyle and so productive. I will say, 393 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: maybe none of this is aligning with your experience. Some 394 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: people love their jobs, they love their coworkers. They do 395 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: find ways to balance their work and their life in 396 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: order to prioritize the things they do enjoy doing. And 397 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: if that is you, I think that that is incredible. 398 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: But I think as well, there will be at least 399 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: one time or one point in our lives where that 400 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: way of living is called into question and we're going 401 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: to look for a different way forward. There's another thing 402 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: I want to say, and that is I don't want 403 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: to disregard that this is a privilege. Not everyone has 404 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: this opportunity. They need the security of full time work 405 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: to support children, to pay mortgages, to pay their bills, 406 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: to put food on the table. And I understand that 407 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: I also have to support myself and I have gotten 408 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: really lucky. I think that kind of goes without saying. 409 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: But what I really am trying to say is that 410 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: is the nine to five work week really the best 411 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: that society can come up with? And if you have 412 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity to work more flexible hours to have that freedom, 413 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: would you take it? And I think our answer is yes, 414 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: because inherently we know that what we are put in 415 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: our brains and our minds and our bodies through is 416 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: not natural or efficient. Society isn't what it used to be, 417 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: and we have adapted, so our work should as well. 418 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: Even stable jobs no longer provide the security that we 419 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: are often sold or that we crave. Think about how 420 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: many news articles there are a week about people being 421 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: laid off from companies that they've worked for for years, 422 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: and even massive players like Google, they still can't provide 423 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: the security of full time, forever employment that's been sold 424 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: to us as part of this steal, this steal whereby 425 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: we exchange the best hours and the best years of 426 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: our life for security, and that's not even promised. The world, 427 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: I think, has also become more globalized and innovative and entrepreneurial. 428 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: The rise of the internet and social media and technology 429 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: means that our income is no longer tied to a 430 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: concrete office space that we have to habitually return to. 431 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: So what I want to step into next is when 432 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: we can identify that it's time to leave this routine 433 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: and break away. What the risks entails, and also what 434 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: some of my personal fears were and still are. But 435 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: how to be prepared to enter into that world and 436 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: that lifestyle of more freedom. When do we know that 437 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: it's time to go. That's a big question and I 438 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: don't know if I can answer it, But there are 439 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: a few telltale signs that I think it's time for 440 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: you to take the risk. The first is when your 441 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: job is negatively impacting your mental health. There are some 442 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: things that we're willing to tolerate, right Like there is 443 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: discreete times in our lives where we know we are 444 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: going to go through more acute levels of stress and anxiety, 445 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: or even just randomly. We all go through our own 446 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: mental health peaks and troughs. That's a part of life. 447 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: But when you can identify that it is your work 448 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: that is correlated to those mental health struggles, there is 449 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: nothing worth jeopardizing that for absolutely nothing. I've been there, 450 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: I've done that, and I've come out the other side. 451 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: And when I look back, all I can say is 452 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: that hindsight gives you a completely different perspective. And I 453 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: wish that when I was going through those periods, when 454 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: I could identify that it was my job that was 455 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: causing all of that distress, I'd made the call sooner 456 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: to walk away. Your mental health is the most important thing. 457 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: There is always another alternative, There is always another job, 458 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: There is always another opportunity that you can take. I 459 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: think the second reason is when you feel a calling 460 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: for something else. I know that sounds really wishy washy. 461 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: It's not incredibly tangible. We can't always tell when a 462 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: feeling is right, but you need to trust your intuition. 463 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: And intuition is basically our brain paying subconscious attention to 464 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: things that we don't always consciously recognize. It's the age 465 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: old saying to trust your gut, and I truly do 466 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: believe that when we have a compelling instinct to take 467 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: a risk or to do something against the grain, something different, 468 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: it is our responsibility to explore that or we risk 469 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: regretting it. If you listened to my episode on why 470 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: we should take risks in our twenties, you'll have heard 471 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: the study already, but it is so powerful for me. 472 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: These researchers they found that people are more likely to 473 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: regret the actions that they didn't take, or the decisions 474 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: that they walked away from or didn't make, compared to 475 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: those that they did. That was one of the final 476 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: straws for me, actually reading that study and realizing that 477 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: although there was a lot at stake things go wrong, 478 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: the chances that I would regret my decision were going 479 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: to be a lot higher if I passed up this 480 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: opportunity rather than if I ran towards it. It's also 481 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: worth acknowledging that you are an incredibly adaptive person. Generations 482 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: of your ancestors have survived and survived much worse things 483 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: to get you to this point. There is always a solution, 484 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: There is always a way forward. Even if things go wrong, 485 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: you will find a way through, and you don't want 486 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: to risk that idea of what if things had gone well, 487 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: what if this had worked out. Another reason it may 488 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: be time to leave your job to think about a 489 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: life beyond the nine to five is if you feel 490 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: undervalued and overlooked, that is terrible for our self esteem 491 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: and it bleeds into our well being and our health 492 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: and how we treat other people. If you're working in 493 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: a job where you are doing so much more, you 494 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: are putting in the hours, and you are not getting 495 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: the credit you deserve, there is no point staying there. 496 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: There is another company that will treat you with respect. 497 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: But you can also be your own boss and show 498 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: yourself the respect that you deserve because it's coming from you. 499 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: This next reason, I know it's not a new one 500 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: everywhere or live in my TikTok or live in my Instagram. 501 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: I see this idea of the side hustle. So essentially, 502 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: it is an activity or a kind of a job 503 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: that you work beyond your nine to five that provides 504 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: you with a second income. I've been skeptical about this. 505 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: I was like, some of these do not seem real. 506 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna look into this. But then I 507 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: was like, I guess my podcast was somewhat of a 508 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: side hustle, even though I really wasn't making any money 509 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: until recently. Side hustles can actually be anything. They can 510 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: be anything, and they don't even need to make you money. 511 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: But if there is a way to make money and 512 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: to support you yourself with that, even if it's going 513 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: to make or take more effort and time, you should 514 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: do it because you could produce a higher payoff. And 515 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: my final reason is no reason at all. If you 516 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: are just called to live differently, you should do it. 517 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: This is your life, No one owns it. You do 518 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: not owe anything to anyone. You are solely responsible for 519 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: what you want to do and what you want to 520 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: achieve and the kind of life that you want to live. 521 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: That is your responsibility. So if you feel called to 522 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: live differently, you don't need a reason. You may love 523 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: your workplace, you may be getting paid a lot, but 524 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: it just doesn't align with your priorities or your vision 525 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: for your life, it may be time to consider whether 526 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: there is another alternative. So the next stage is you've 527 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: made the decision, you're leaving the cozy nine to five 528 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: or office job life behind. What's next is what's the 529 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: next steps here. We're not going to be naive or 530 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: blase here. Leaving behind the security of a frequent and 531 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: consistent paycheck and full time hours is going to be scary, 532 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: and there are some factors to consider. I cannot tell 533 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: you how many hours and nights I've spent considering every 534 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: way that this could go wrong. How I could be 535 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: broke by thirty. I could lose my voice and no 536 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: longer work. That's like a crazy thing to me. I 537 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: could get sued, I could lose my inspiration, I could 538 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: lose my passion for this. That's probably the scariest one. 539 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: Or you know, one day people just aren't interested anymore. 540 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: But the thing that I think of when I'm thinking 541 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: these things and when I'm finding myself in a spiral 542 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: or really ruminating, is that even when I this wasn't 543 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: my job, even when I was making no money, I 544 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: was still doing this because I loved it. And if 545 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing something I love, maybe it's naive, but I 546 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: do think that nothing can go wrong. There will always 547 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: be a way. When there's a will, there's a way. 548 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: But I also chose to be realistic. There is you know, daydreaming, 549 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: and there is fantasy thinking, and sometimes that naivety can 550 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: get us in trouble. So I put some things in 551 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: place before I took the leap. This is just my perspective, 552 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: this is what I chose to do. You can take 553 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: my advice or leave it, as is always the case. 554 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: But if you are serious about leaving the nine to 555 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: five and corporate lifestyle behind, these are some tangible and 556 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: valuable steps that I think you can take to ensure 557 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: yourself more long term security. The first one is to 558 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: do with money. You need to have at least three 559 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: to six months of money saved up to cover your 560 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: expenses or some fall back or some form of financial 561 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: security that you can fall back on. It's a sad 562 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: reality that we need money to live, but it is reality. 563 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: You need to be able to take care of your health, 564 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: of your dependence. Maybe you have a mortgage or just 565 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: your bills. So you don't want to be in a 566 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: situation in which you're really desperate or in which you 567 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: are forced to go back on your desires or go 568 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: back on your goal or your intentions. So an easy 569 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: way to do that is to make sure that you 570 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: have enough money to saved up if things go wrong, 571 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: and it will also just provide you with a greater 572 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: sense of security so that you feel you can take 573 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: the risk. This may take time. It took me, I 574 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: think just under like eight months to get to this point, 575 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: so I really wouldn't advise listening to this episode and 576 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: going and giving your four weeks tomorrow. I think it 577 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: is important to be realistic, but this really helped me 578 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: to know that even if everything went wrong, I still 579 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: would have a bit of a buffer to get back 580 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: on my feet and to pay my rent and do 581 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: all the things that I needed to do. I also 582 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: think this grows hand in and with having a good 583 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: look at what you are spending your money on. This 584 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: is advice for any transition, but especially one that comes 585 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: with financial risk. I sat down, I went through all 586 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: my bank statements, and oh my goodness, I spent money 587 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: on so many ridiculous things. I found like a forty 588 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: dollars order for slime, and I distinctly remember buying this 589 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: slime like a few like a few months back. But 590 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: I was like, that is I do not need that slime. 591 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: There are things that I can cut out of my 592 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: daily expenses, of my luxury purchases. I don't think slime 593 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: is a luxury, but whatever that means for you, that 594 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: is going to make me feel more secure and more 595 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: able to provide myself with financial security. So have a 596 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: good look at what you can maybe cut out, what 597 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: maybe you will have to give up, and if you're 598 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: willing to give those things up or if you I 599 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: guess what state you need to be and to not 600 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: have to do those things and have a game plan. 601 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: There is nothing worse than stepping into a new and 602 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: novel situation and having no idea of your way forward. 603 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: There is a healthy level of risk, and then there 604 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: is an unhealthy level of risk, and I think the 605 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: distinction there is having somewhat of an idea of where 606 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: you're going to next. So I made sure that I 607 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: had written up a game plan. I had an idea 608 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: of what I was going to do on even in 609 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: my day to day, what my priorities and my focus was, 610 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: and what my long term goals were, and making sure 611 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: that I was oriented towards that and making sure that 612 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: my decision was actually aligned with this vision I had 613 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: for my life and my game plan. The other thing 614 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: to do, especially if you're leaving a big company or 615 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: a corporate job, is to end on good terms. Worst 616 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: case scenario, you can go back to that job, and 617 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 1: you can go back to that security if you leave 618 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: on bad terms. If you leave on bad terms, I 619 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: think you're just a eleminate, a bit of a security blanket. 620 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: You eliminate something that could catch you if you fall. 621 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: So most companies would love to have you back. They 622 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: don't want to invest, however much money it costs to 623 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: train someone new. So make sure that you have that 624 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: backup plan and leave on good terms. In the back 625 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: of your mind. It will also make you feel a 626 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: lot more secure and stable in your decision. Understand how 627 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: you're going to create routine and a support network or 628 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: community around this new path. I'm not going to sugarcoat this. 629 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: It can be really lonely, especially in this industry and 630 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 1: with my job. It's like this is a solo enterprise, 631 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: This is a solo pursuit. There is not much of 632 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: a community around podcasting, at least in Australia. I have 633 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: had the benefit and the pleasure of being able to 634 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: meet some other people who are doing this as their work, 635 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: but that was intentional. I knew that I was someone 636 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: who needed community around me. I am an extrovert. I 637 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: need people who are who I can complain about my 638 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: work problems to who are going to be there for me. 639 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: So that was one of the biggest challenges moving away 640 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: from the solid structure of a nine to five job, 641 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: was knowing that I would have to say goodbye to 642 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: that in build community and wanting to find an alternative. 643 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: I think also, this is another financial one. Maybe I 644 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: should have said this earlier. First, we have a realistic 645 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: expectation of if this is a side hustle or a 646 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: business that you're starting, what that's going to cost. There 647 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: are some upfront costs of some long term costs that 648 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: I didn't expect. But also, don't stop putting money towards 649 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: your superannuation or your retirement. This was advice that my 650 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: mom gave me. Shout out to my mom. She's an economist, 651 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: she provides great financial advice. But in Australia we have 652 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: this thing called superannuation and your employer immediately has to 653 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: put money into that fund for you. I didn't think 654 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: about this, but when I stopped working a nine to 655 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: five job, I'm my employer. Now I have to put 656 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: money towards that. So that's a big thing to consider. Obviously, 657 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: there are financial considerations. There are a lot of other considerations. 658 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: If you have children, consider the impact on them. If 659 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: you have a mortgage, consider whether you can pay your mortgage, 660 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: or whether this might be too much of a risk. 661 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: But risks are always going to be there. They are 662 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: inherent in every part of our life, every single facet 663 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: and element. So it's about what level of risk you're 664 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: willing to tolerate for a greater reward. And this is 665 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: just one woman's opinion, but I do think that this 666 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: is one of the greatest choices you can make us 667 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: twenty year olds, us in this generation. I think we 668 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: know that nine to five work is not the fantasy, 669 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: it's not the dream that was sold to us. So 670 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: we're looking for something else, and it's possible. We want 671 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: to enjoy our lives. You only have one of them, 672 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: and being able to work flexibly, work remotely, be your 673 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: own boss is such a rewarding alternative and I said 674 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: it before, but I just really want to say it again, 675 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: regardless of if you're listening to this and being like, actually, 676 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I'm willing to take this risk. 677 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in my job. It doesn't matter. 678 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: Life is not work. Your life should not have to 679 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: exist in the corners around your work hours. Life is 680 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: the thing that happens to you every day. It's the 681 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: thing that is made up of beautiful joys and beautiful 682 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: memories and incredible connections. That is the most valuable thing 683 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: to me. And at the end of the day, regardless 684 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: of the financial risks, regardless of my fears, that was 685 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: something that I was really looking forward to, and that 686 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: was something that was really compelling and motivating for me 687 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: that I would be able to enjoy my life. So 688 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: I hope that leaves you with a little bit of 689 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: wisdom and something to contemplate. I will say it one 690 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: more time. I think it's worth saying. It's worth acknowledging. 691 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: I am coming from a place of extreme privilege, and 692 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: I just want to say I am so grateful. I'm 693 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: so grateful. Every day I wake up and I just 694 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: cannot believe that this is my reality from a small 695 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: idea I had back when I was at UNI to 696 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: having so many of you who listen every week. You 697 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: have really changed my life. You have like this would 698 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: not be possible without the people who show their support 699 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: and who listen to my show and who encourage me 700 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: so Thank you so much. It means the world. I 701 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: really don't think I could really ever thank you enough. 702 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: And I hope that I can continue to just put 703 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: out even better content, make even more episodes, connect with 704 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: more of you, and just see what's out there, what 705 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: science and psychology is doing, how it applies to our twenties, 706 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,919 Speaker 1: and keep building up this guidebook for people all over 707 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: the world. So I think that's all we have time 708 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: for today. Sorry I went on a bit of an 709 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,439 Speaker 1: emotional rant, but I think it needed to be said. 710 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: I am very grateful. 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And I'll be back next week with 727 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,240 Speaker 1: another episode.