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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My name is Sean Coleman.

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Speaker 1: Hope wherever you are listening, you are doing well, that

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Speaker 1: you're having a great start to your week, and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are and wherever you're listening, you are enjoying the

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Speaker 1: fact that for the seventh straight season, the Atlanta Braves

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Speaker 1: have made the playoffs. Yay. As always my podcast partner

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Speaker 1: here with me, Steven Tobert Steven. We've been talking about

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Speaker 1: it all year long. How can the Braves make the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Are they going to make the playoffs? There were times

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Speaker 1: where I can certainly say we were doubtful that they were,

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Speaker 1: but they once again have made it, and they did

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Speaker 1: it in about the most lackluster way possible. But hey,

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Speaker 1: it's not how you get there, it's the fact that

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Speaker 1: you got there. And at least they're there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, Sean? What I mean, what a perfect

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Speaker 2: what a perfect way to clinch for this team? You know,

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Speaker 2: this team has been it's objectively a good team because

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Speaker 2: they're I think their final record is eighty nine and

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Speaker 2: what seventy three or seventy four whatever, Yeah, seventy three,

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Speaker 2: which is objectively a good team, and they made the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: which is another objective measure from measuring a good team.

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Speaker 2: But this team has not been the most enjoyable to

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Speaker 2: watch for the better part of five months. It's been

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Speaker 2: a slog to watch at times, and it's been down

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Speaker 2: right frustrating and annoying to watch, especially on the offensive side.

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Speaker 2: And so it makes sense that they game or the

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Speaker 2: day that they clinch is not one that you're just

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Speaker 2: like overwhelmed with joy. It's just kind of been like

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Speaker 2: a it's been a frustrating day. It's been an annoying day.

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Speaker 2: It's been a surprising day. We're gonna get into all

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Speaker 2: the Chris Sale stuff, and it's just kind of Okay,

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Speaker 2: we made it. And you know, most most of the time,

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Speaker 2: when you clinch a playoff spot, it's like this huge

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Speaker 2: celebratory thing. But that just wouldn't be you know, that

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Speaker 2: just wouldn't be twenty twenty four, the way this season

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Speaker 2: has gone. You know, it just it makes sense that

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Speaker 2: today is more of a I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to say melancholy, but it's it's definitely more of

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Speaker 2: a reserved, you know, celebration for making the playoffs, a

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Speaker 2: because of how it happened, which we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about b because of the sale news and see just

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Speaker 2: you know the way Game two went, and it's just

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Speaker 2: a it's a muted it's a muted reaction for a

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Speaker 2: somewhat muted year, and it just it kind of fits.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And of course again we can't thank you enough

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Speaker 1: for being with us myself, Sean Coleman, with Steve even

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Speaker 1: Tolbert obviously two of the four great team members here

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Speaker 1: at Hammer Territory. Don't forget that. Later on this evening

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Speaker 1: into tomorrow, Brad Rowland and Scott Coleman will have a

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Speaker 1: full preview of the Braves as they head out to

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Speaker 1: San Diego for the best of three wild card series

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Speaker 1: against the Padres. Me and Stephen will give our thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the Padres series as well, but for an in

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Speaker 1: depth breakdown, Scott Coleman and Brad Rowland will be with

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Speaker 1: you later on tonight into tomorrow with an addition of

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Speaker 1: podcasts previewing the wild card series against the Padres. And

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Speaker 1: and you know, to be honest with you, Stephen, I

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Speaker 1: think the other thing that kind of stands out is

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Speaker 1: this is that all season long, with as much adversity

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Speaker 1: as we've overcome, you know, with the fact that we

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Speaker 1: you know, just continued to fight back, to fight back,

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Speaker 1: to fight back against things that were within our control,

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Speaker 1: with how much the offensive struggled and outside of our

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Speaker 1: that at some point, at some point, the things, you know,

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Speaker 1: But it just never seemed to happen, and we certainly

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Speaker 1: didn't help ourselves, you know a lot of times offensively.

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Speaker 1: But for today, the offense did its job. In Game one,

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Speaker 1: the bullpen struggled, and we'll talk about the bullpen a

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Speaker 1: year long we've been like, Okay, maybe we're finally getting

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Speaker 1: great to once again be there. It's definitely a compliment

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Speaker 1: to the coaching staff and to the players. But I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it is, it's a it's a weird feelings.

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Speaker 2: You're excited to be going and the team objectively has

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Speaker 2: The way they played today in Game one, the offense

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Speaker 2: randomly in the eighth inning it went crazy and the

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Speaker 2: Braves scored you know, four runs and that whole that

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Speaker 2: the moment about you're very excited the game listen. If

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Speaker 2: they had lost Game two today and they did not

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Speaker 2: So the fact that they won game two as much

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Speaker 2: is a much better feeling than what this podcast could

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Speaker 2: have been. And so we do want to celebrate that

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Speaker 2: making the playoffs is not easy. You know, they had

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Speaker 2: to win eighty nine games to do it, and that's

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Speaker 2: more than what you usually have to win to make

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Speaker 2: and winning this many games with this many injuries, it

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Speaker 2: should be celebrated like that is an accomplishment and I

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Speaker 2: don't want to just completely gloss over that. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, the way they're playing right now, especially offensively,

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Speaker 2: that hard, you know, that game against the Royals. There's

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Speaker 2: even if it's a even if it's a short trip

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Speaker 1: So let's get to the good of the day. Though

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Speaker 1: there was far more head scratching and somewhat negative occurrences

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Speaker 1: on Monday during the doubleheader that thankfully the Braves were

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Speaker 1: able to win Game two of but in Game one

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Speaker 1: there were a few positives in my opinion. You know

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Speaker 1: the Braves, did you know when both teams were playing competitively,

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Speaker 1: the Braves with the starters on the mound, they got

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Speaker 1: their job done. In terms of hitting for power, they

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Speaker 1: were the more powerful team, which we've seen all year

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Speaker 1: long when they hit home runs. They can still win

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Speaker 1: against quality teams, but even more so, we continue to

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Speaker 1: see Spencer swelling Bach is about as good as he

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Speaker 1: but if you were to stack up what Spencer swelling

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Speaker 1: With how good he's been and Steve and I, it's

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Speaker 1: unfortunate that we won't be able to see him in

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Speaker 1: at the very least, whether or not this is Spincer

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Speaker 1: he pitched the biggest game of his life on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was the game of his life. And

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Speaker 2: To see. He's been unbelievable. You know, the fact that

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Speaker 2: That's the cost. That's essentially the cost of not winning

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Speaker 2: I really hope the Braves can get past the wildcard

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Speaker 2: That would be awesome if he got to pitch against

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Speaker 2: I was so incredibly impressed with him down the stretch

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Speaker 2: And that's a real credit to him. And it was

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Speaker 1: the off season. But just briefly, does does it Bill

431
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Speaker 1: like to you at times they've just kind of outsmarted

432
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Speaker 1: themselves or you know, reac handled injuries very oddly this year.

433
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Speaker 2: It has been weird. And you know, I was not

434
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Speaker 2: a fan of how they handled the pitching staff a

435
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Speaker 2: lot of the year, you know, basically throwing you know,

436
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Speaker 2: or you know, sacrificing certain games to give guys extra rest.

437
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Speaker 2: And the reason I wasn't a big fan of it,

438
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Speaker 2: and I said it at the time, was because there's

439
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Speaker 2: no actual evidence that giving them an extra day's rest

440
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Speaker 2: is actually going to get them to October healthy. That's

441
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Speaker 2: just kind of a wish. And we see with Chris Sale,

442
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Speaker 2: I mean, Chris Sale was handled with kid gloves for

443
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Speaker 2: basically the entire first half of the year, constantly, constantly,

444
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: constantly getting extra rest, very rarely pitching on regular rest.

445
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Speaker 2: And here we are in October, September, October when they

446
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Speaker 2: need him most and he's not available, and that's what happens.

447
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Speaker 2: You know. That's why I don't really like giving up

448
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Speaker 2: games earlier in the year in hopes that he'll be healthy,

449
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Speaker 2: because there's just no guarant you know, if he's healthy pitching.

450
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Speaker 2: That's been my thing. If they're healthy, pitch them. You know.

451
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Speaker 2: If the Braves didn't won a couple more of those

452
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Speaker 2: games in April, in May and June when you know

453
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Speaker 2: they were pitching Bryce Elder to give all their guys

454
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Speaker 2: extra rests. If they'd won a couple more of those games,

455
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't have been the spot. And maybe Spencer Swallenbock

456
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Speaker 2: is able to pitch in the wild Card, but now

457
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: he's not because he had to pitch today. And yeah,

458
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Speaker 2: I'm just I haven't been a fan really all year

459
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Speaker 2: of how they've handled a lot of this stuff and

460
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Speaker 2: at times it's worked. This time it more accurately probably

461
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Speaker 2: hasn't worked, and it's bitten them in the butt. Some

462
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Speaker 2: of it is bad luck. Of course with injuries. You

463
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Speaker 2: can't do anything about injuries, but again you can't do

464
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Speaker 2: stuff about how you manage it, how you plan. And

465
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Braids did a great job to

466
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Speaker 2: hear lately on having a backup plan for what seemed

467
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Speaker 2: like something that was very possible to happen ended up happening.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So let's get back to you know, what occurred

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Speaker 1: on the field, and you know, now I think eyes

470
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Speaker 1: you know again, we'll see what happens with the starting rotation.

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Speaker 1: We'll give our you know, predictions of how the starting

472
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Speaker 1: rotation for the Braves might look how the Padres is

473
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Speaker 1: going to look here in just a second. But Stephen,

474
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Speaker 1: I think that I've said it nearly every other podcast

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Speaker 1: over the past last six weeks when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the Braves, and it was great to see on Monday.

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Speaker 1: One other positive development, and I'll give him credit was

478
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Speaker 1: Ozzi Alby's looked like the Ozsi, the productive Ozzi Albi's

479
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Speaker 1: that were used to see in n big moments. He

480
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Speaker 1: had a great Game one. Jorge Celaire was really the

481
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Speaker 1: only consistent source of offense for the Braves in Game two,

482
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Speaker 1: and of course Marcelo Zuna was able to get a

483
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Speaker 1: hit to come off the Schneider bit. You know, after

484
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Speaker 1: a pretty lackluster weekend, it's once again on the offense.

485
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Speaker 1: This Braves team can have the better offense of them

486
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Speaker 1: in the Padres in this series. I think the Padres

487
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Speaker 1: on up right now is definitely deeper. But I would

488
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Speaker 1: say that, you know, when it comes to a one

489
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Speaker 1: two combination, Matt Olson and Marcello Zuna have the highest

490
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Speaker 1: upside and if you could get two of you know,

491
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Speaker 1: Ozzi Alby's, Jorge Silaire or or or Michael Harris the

492
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Speaker 1: second going that could really help you out. But the

493
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Speaker 1: point that I'm getting at is this, this Brave's offense

494
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Speaker 1: has got to show up. And it's not just about

495
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Speaker 1: the power numbers. They got to be a to convert

496
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Speaker 1: run scoring opportunities, especially against a very talented and deep

497
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Speaker 1: Padres pitching staff. Don't have a lot of confidence it's

498
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Speaker 1: going to happen, but I will see with confidence that's

499
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Speaker 1: got to happen for this Braves team to be able

500
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Speaker 1: to have a chance in this series against the Fadres.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean without Chris Sale, you know, without Chris Sale,

502
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Speaker 2: without you know, Spencer Swollenbach, the team is gonna have

503
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Speaker 2: to essentially flip where the offense kind of carries the

504
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: pitching for you know, a couple of games. You know,

505
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Speaker 2: we don't know what they're gonna do in Game one,

506
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Speaker 2: you know. Ozzie having the day he had today certainly helps.

507
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Speaker 2: He's been really struggling to sit backs. So Larr had

508
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Speaker 2: a good day. Mark has been in a big funk.

509
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Speaker 2: He has not had the best September. So yeah, it's

510
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Speaker 2: they're gonna need the offense. I mean, they're you know,

511
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Speaker 2: the hopes that this team is just gonna be able

512
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Speaker 2: to win all these games two to one in the

513
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Speaker 2: postseason probably went out the window with Sale got hurt.

514
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: And you know now that Swallow Bought can't pitch. You know,

515
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: the bullpen has been used a ton. Like the hopes

516
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Speaker 2: that you're gonna win these games two to one is

517
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Speaker 2: probably gone. So you need to you need to score

518
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Speaker 2: if the Braves have any chance of winning in San Diego.

519
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Speaker 2: They have a really good offense. They got, I mean,

520
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: they got a really good team. It's one of the

521
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Speaker 2: best teams in baseball. They're gonna have to score. They're

522
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Speaker 2: not winning these games two to one, I don't. They

523
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Speaker 2: just don't have the pitching line up to do it.

524
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Speaker 2: So the offense is gonna be a massive part of

525
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Speaker 2: you know, the store or the next three days. And

526
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Speaker 2: it was good to see Ozzie have a good day.

527
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Speaker 2: It's good to see Solair have a good day. But

528
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Speaker 2: they need all of their guys to hit and contribute

529
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Speaker 2: because it's gonna be hard for the pitching to carry

530
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Speaker 2: them the way they have basically the whole season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you know, if if I know, I

532
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Speaker 1: usually during this part of the podcast come up with

533
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Speaker 1: some positive you know, thought or you know, positive outlook

534
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Speaker 1: or things like that. I really don't have any at

535
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Speaker 1: this point in time. Odds are stacked against the Braves,

536
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Speaker 1: you know, right now with the injuries that they've now

537
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Speaker 1: had to Chris Saale without Spend swelling back, you know,

538
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: Grant Holmes, what could have been a pretty useful weapon,

539
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Speaker 1: you know, to go a few innings in one of

540
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Speaker 1: these games. It's stack. The odds are stacked against this

541
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Speaker 1: Braves team. In other words, this version of the Braves

542
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: to two twenty four version of the Braves, they're going

543
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: to have to do something uncharacteristic of themselves this season

544
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: in order to be able to have success. And that's

545
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Speaker 1: the offense stepping up.

546
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Speaker 5: Now.

547
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Speaker 1: That would continue to trend over the past two years

548
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: where it's been the offense all of a sudden going

549
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: ice cold in the playoffs. So maybe we'll see you

550
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: one nding. Maybe if there's a positive thought out there,

551
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: maybe the offense can come alive to a level that

552
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: it has an all season in the playoffs instead going

553
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: ice cold to a level that it has in all

554
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: season like it has the past two playoffs. Don't think

555
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: that's likely, but maybe it could occur. But Stephen a

556
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: bit of a lightning round for you. Okay, Chris Sale

557
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: is not going to be available. I would be surprised

558
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Speaker 1: if either him or Spencer swelling Back or on the mound.

559
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Maybe you put swelling Back on the mound, you know,

560
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: just in case you have to have it. But if

561
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Speaker 1: that's the case, what are your thoughts about the game

562
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: one starter? Who do you feel could be in line

563
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: to be the game one starter for the Braves?

564
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Speaker 2: I mean, I genuinely have no idea, Like I'm assuming

565
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: maybe aj Smith Shoalver. I can't imagine they would do

566
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: Bryce Elder after what happened last year. If they do

567
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: Briyce Elder, I'm gonna I'm gonna need a drink. Yeah,

568
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't even really do a bullpen game

569
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Speaker 2: because you just played a double header and use a

570
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: bunch of your guys twice. So I think it almost

571
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: has to be a J. Smith Shalver. Honestly, I don't

572
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: know if there's somebody obvious that I'm forgetting, But like

573
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Speaker 2: he Yan Anderson, maybe he's pitched in you know, he's

574
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Speaker 2: pitched in playoff games, he pitched in the World Series before,

575
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: but he literally hasn't pitched in the majors all year,

576
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Speaker 2: and hasn't pitched you know, a ton in general, just

577
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Speaker 2: because he came back from the injuries. So I am

578
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: fascinated to see what they do because they don't have

579
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: a lot of options. Like maybe you could piece together

580
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: something with Dylan Lee and maybe a couple other you know,

581
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: maybe a J. Smith Schawver and like Dylan Lee kind

582
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: of do a piggyback thing. But again, you just have

583
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: so little bullpen tomorrow. I don't know what I really

584
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated too. I don't even know who they have.

585
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a good chance they're not gonna have

586
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: Iglesias jmenez or Pierce Johnson available almost certainly don't have

587
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: Grand Holmes available. So like it's gonna be like a J. Smith, Shawver,

588
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Jesse Chavez, Dylan Lee, Aaron Bummer, like, honest to god, Like,

589
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Speaker 2: I I don't know what else they have tomorrow. It's

590
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Speaker 2: what do you think? Do you think it's gonna.

591
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Speaker 1: Be a J I think that if you want to

592
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Speaker 1: go upside, you go AJ. Could they decide that, hey,

593
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: we've seen him do it before in big games in

594
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: the postseason. Could they even go Ian Anderson. I don't

595
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Speaker 1: necessarily think that they are. I will say this, there

596
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: are some big pitching decisions to be made, because again

597
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Speaker 1: you look at this brave staff. You're pretty confident that

598
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Speaker 1: Chris Sales, Spencer Schwellenbach, and Grant Holmes are going to

599
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: be on a postseason roster. Well, now that's three arms

600
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: that probably aren't going to offer you any type of value.

601
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: Grant Holmes possibly would make it, you know, if he

602
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Speaker 1: gets a couple of days of risks. But if they

603
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Speaker 1: don't feel that Chris Sale's going to pitch over the

604
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Speaker 1: next couple of days, it doesn't really make sense to

605
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Speaker 1: have him on the roster. Doesn't make sense to put

606
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Speaker 1: Schwellenbach on the roster. So there's going to be multiple

607
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: important pitching decisions to make. I would go a J.

608
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Speaker 1: Smith Schawber. I definitely would. If you wanted to use

609
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: Dylan Lee maybe to navigate the top of the padres

610
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Speaker 1: order in the first inning and let a J. Smithschalfer

611
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Speaker 1: come in into a bit easier part of the lineup,

612
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Speaker 1: I can understand that. I think that would be a

613
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: creative way to go about doing things. But you're right,

614
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to have someone go through the

615
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: padres order twice tomorrow night. They're just going to have

616
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Speaker 1: to to give their bullpen a bit of risks to

617
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Speaker 1: be as fresh as possible for Games two and three.

618
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: So whoever you feel could go through the podres order

619
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Speaker 1: multiple times tomorrow night. I feel that their best option

620
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Speaker 1: would be a J. Smith shabber if they want to

621
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: go Ian Anderson, sure, but I think it's gonna be

622
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Speaker 1: one of those two.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't, like you said, I don't

624
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: even know if you put you know you said sale

625
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: and swallowm back, like you don't even know if you

626
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: put him on the roster, Like I don't even know.

627
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if Morton is going to be on

628
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: the roster. I mean, he can't pitch till he pitched

629
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Speaker 2: on Sunday, so he can't pitch again till Friday. By

630
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: then the wild Card Series is over. So I mean,

631
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 2: maybe Morton can give you a couple of innings out

632
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: of the bullpen one day, but he's literally I don't

633
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: think he's ever done that. He certainly hasn't done it

634
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: in his time with the Braves. I don't know how

635
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: comfortable they'd be with that, Yeah, I have no idea.

636
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: I mean, the way this all broke for the Braves

637
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: is basically worst case in terms of actually making the playoffs.

638
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: This is about as bad of a way the Braves

639
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: could have made the playoffs as possible, where they had

640
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: to burn all of their pitching Sale got hurt, Schwollenbach

641
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: and Morton are both unavailable. Neither Max or Lopez can

642
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: pitch Game one. You've used all of your bullpen like

643
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Speaker 2: used them up. Holmes is unavailable. Like in terms of

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Speaker 2: you know, worst case scenario was missing the playoffs, the

645
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Speaker 2: next worst case scenario is probably this where you make

646
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Speaker 2: the playoffs but you burn everybody.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be very see tomorrow when they dropped

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Speaker 2: the roster who's on it one and then what their

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Speaker 2: plan is for the game, Because I, I mean, we

651
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Speaker 2: follow this stuff as closely as anybody, I legitimately have

652
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Speaker 2: no clue. I don't have a clue who they're going

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Speaker 2: to pitch tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So then, Steven, that's the perfect segue to ask you,

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Speaker 1: what is your prediction for the Wildcard round between the

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Speaker 1: Braves and the Poddres.

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Speaker 2: I mean, baseball is weirdly shit, so I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you told me the Braves won like two games

659
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Speaker 2: in a row eight to one, then I would just

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Speaker 2: tell you that's baseball. That's how that's how baseball works.

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00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: Like it's crazy. You know, the offense could just wake

662
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: up tomorrow and score a bunch of runs, and a J.

663
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Speaker 2: Smith Schover or Ian Anderson or Bryce Elder, somebody has

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Speaker 2: a great night, you know, Dylan Lee or somebody else

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Speaker 2: helps him out. Anything could happen. It's baseball, and it's

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Speaker 2: baseball in a short series. But the Padres are a

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Speaker 2: substantially better team, and the Padres are substantially better set

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Speaker 2: up for the series itself. So the money is gonna

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Speaker 2: be on the Padres heavily. Like if you look at

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Speaker 2: the betting markets and odds, especially without Chris Sale, especially

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Speaker 2: without Spitzer Swallenbach. I mean, you know, the Braves are

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Speaker 2: going to be heavy, heavy underdogs, and so because of that,

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly gonna pick the Padres to win the series,

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Speaker 2: just logically. But it's baseball, literally. I mean, the Arizona

675
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Speaker 2: Diamondbacks last year were the worst team in the National

676
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Speaker 2: League that made the playoffs and they made the World Series,

677
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Speaker 2: and then the year before that, the Phillies were the

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Speaker 2: worst team that made the playoffs and they made the

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Speaker 2: World Series. And the year before that, the Braves barely

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Speaker 2: got in and had to you know, scratch and claw

681
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Speaker 2: to do it. And I think they had the worst

682
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Speaker 2: record of any Nation League team in the playoffs and

683
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Speaker 2: they made the World Series. So literally anything can happen.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of who I expect to win, I

685
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Speaker 2: expect the Padres to win. They're a better team when healthy,

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Speaker 2: and the Braves are not healthy by any stretch right now,

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Speaker 2: and the Padres is just much better set up to

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: they have all their guys that they want to pitch pitching.

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Speaker 2: The Braves don't have any of the guys basically they

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Speaker 2: want to pitch, except for you know, especially in game one.

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Speaker 2: You know, they potentially have Max in Game two and

692
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Speaker 2: Lopez in game three if they want, if they get

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Speaker 2: they get to that point, but for Game one, they

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Speaker 2: don't have anybody. So it's tough to you know, when

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Speaker 2: you're basically gonna have to punt Game one unless the

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Speaker 2: offense just explodes, it's tough. It's tough to pick the

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Speaker 2: Braves to win the series.

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Speaker 1: Well, and if you want to be someone that you know,

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Speaker 1: looks at history and say, well, oh, how have the

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Speaker 1: Braves performed in Game one? Well, so they won five

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Speaker 1: out of the past three, or excuse me, they are

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Speaker 1: five and three in their past eight game one scenarios.

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Speaker 1: But of course they have not won a Game one

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Speaker 1: since the twenty and twenty one World Series, and that

705
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: just so happened to be the most recent time the

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Speaker 1: Braves won a Game one in a playoff series on

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Speaker 1: the road in a non COVID year. But before that

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Speaker 1: win in Houston in Game one of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one World Series, it had been since two thousand and

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Speaker 1: one that the Braves won on the road in a

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Speaker 1: Game one scenario, twenty years in between game one road victories,

712
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Speaker 1: and that one win Steven was the only Game one

713
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Speaker 1: victory that they had in twelve opportunities between two thousand

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Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen. So no, history is not a friend

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Speaker 1: of the Braves when it comes to Game one performances.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, stacks are absolutely lined up against

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Speaker 1: this team right now. Maybe they come out with their

718
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: backs against the wall. This offense hits on all cylinders,

719
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Speaker 1: and we'll be sitting here a few days. For now,

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Speaker 1: previewing the series against the Dodgers. You have to hope.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Braves in three, We're gonna keep it

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Speaker 1: positive in hope for the best. Steven, do you have

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Speaker 1: any more thoughts as we wrap up this edition The

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Speaker 1: Braves are Playoff bound edition of The Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I don't want the tone of this part.

726
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't want people to think like it's a negative tone. Like,

727
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: the Brads made the playoffs. That's a big deal. It's

728
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: hard to do again. The Brads have made the playoffs

729
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Speaker 2: seven straight years. There's plenty of teams that would be

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Speaker 2: glad just to make the playoffs once. So like you know,

731
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Speaker 2: you zoom out, you keep perspective. It's good to make

732
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's hard to do. You know, it's an

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Speaker 2: accomplishment that they did it. So I do want to

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Speaker 2: celebrate that. That is worth celebrating. It's just the way

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Speaker 2: it happened, you know, how they got there. How we

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Speaker 2: find ourselves sitting here tonight with what's in front of us.

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Speaker 2: There is cause for concern and speculation. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I want, I do want to say into a microphone

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Speaker 2: that it is a it's a good thing to make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. It's something that should be celebrated. It's not

741
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Speaker 2: easy to do, and you know, the team should be

742
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Speaker 2: proud of that fact it is. It is an accomplishment

743
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Speaker 2: and we should celebrate it.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that the Padres are going with Michael

745
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: King in Game one, Joe musk Grove in Game two,

746
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Speaker 1: and Dylan Ceas in Game three, I actually think that

747
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: sets up nicely for the Braves instead of Dylan Cees

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Speaker 1: going in game one and you know somebody else going

749
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Speaker 1: in game two and three. I like the Braves chances

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00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: against a Michael King more than a Dylan Cease. Earlier

751
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: this year, Dylan Cease pitched one more dominant Braves pitch,

752
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: one more dominant games against the Braves that I've seen

753
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: a pitcher pitch in quite a while. And yes, I

754
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: think the Padres are a better team right now, but

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I do think that this Atlanta offense is just as high,

756
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: if not higher of a ceiling, especially when it comes

757
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: to putting the ball on the ballpark than the Padres.

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: So the Braves can get it done. Is it going

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00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: to be uncharacteristic to what they've done all season? Yes?

760
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: Is it likely probably not, but you know what, we

761
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: at least get the chance to make it happened and

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00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: is Steven mentioned that should be celebrated, and hopefully we'll

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Speaker 1: have plenty of more podcasts to discuss the Braves making

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Speaker 1: their way through the playoffs as we go through the

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Speaker 1: coming days. Steven, always a pleasure with you, man. We

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Speaker 1: survived the regular season. Tell the folks how much coverage

767
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna have because we're gonna have them covered wall

768
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: to wall coverage of the Braves postseason March, however short

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Speaker 1: or long it may be, We're gonna have you fully

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00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: covered here at Hammer Territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brad and Scott are gonna do a show later

772
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Speaker 2: tonight that's gonna do a full preview of the series.

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Speaker 2: The reason we did that specifically so that we can

774
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Speaker 2: wait till all the news came out. We get all

775
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: the updates of who's gonna pitch, when they're gonna pitch.

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00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: That's why Brad and Scott are waiting to do that

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00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: show later tonight. That'll be in your feeds either late

778
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: tonight or you know, first thing when you wake up

779
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: in the morning. And then we will have a podcast

780
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: literally after every game. If you're new to this, you know,

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Speaker 2: podcast feed new to the show. This is a podcast

782
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: that does every single playoff game. We will have at

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00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: least two of us, sometimes even three of us do

784
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Speaker 2: a postgame show. So every single playoff game the Braids play,

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00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: we will have a show again. Scott and Bradle are

786
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Speaker 2: going to do another show tonight to preview the series

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Speaker 2: and all the way through, you know, however far the

788
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Speaker 2: Braids make it, we'll have a show after every game,

789
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Speaker 2: and if something crazy happens, you know, we might have

790
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: another show, you know, unexpectedly, so we will have full

791
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: coverage of the playoffs, you know, for however long the

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Speaker 2: Braves are in it, and hopefully that's all the way

793
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: through October and we can have a lot of fun

794
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: with it. But yeah, if you're new to the show,

795
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Speaker 2: we have you covered wall a wall for the rest

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Speaker 2: of October.

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Speaker 1: A lot of late nights ahead, well hopefully a lot

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Speaker 1: of late nights ahead, but we're gonna have you fully

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Speaker 1: covered here and make sure you turn into tune into

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Speaker 1: the foul Territory family of podcasts. Plenty of team specific

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Speaker 1: podcasts that are part of the foul Territory family. The

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Speaker 1: teams that they cover are in the playoffs. Congratulations to

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Speaker 1: you know the the Vetsed Up podcast who you know

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Speaker 1: did a crossover episode was even in brad earlier, I

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Speaker 1: believe earlier last week as a matter of fact. And

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Speaker 1: then of course you know the Phillies, the Dodgers, you know,

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Speaker 1: all those teams have podcasts under the foul Territory family podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you listen to them as well as foul

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Speaker 1: Territory itself. Foul Territory, of course, can be found across

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Speaker 1: all forms of social media. Hammer Territory can be found

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Speaker 1: across all forms of social media. Myself at stats at

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Speaker 1: Stat's Sac on Twitter, slash x, Steven Tolbert at be

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Speaker 1: Underscore Outliers. I know I went through a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of things just now, but make sure you know where

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Speaker 1: on YouTube and subscribed there when you get some video

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Speaker 1: going on during these playoffs as well, so all of

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Speaker 1: you can see our smiling faces when the Braves surprise

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Speaker 1: the masses. For Steven Tilbert, my name is Sean Colevin.

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Speaker 1: The Braves are playoff found. Hopefully there's plenty of Braves

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Speaker 1: baseball to be able to enjoy and talk about ahead

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Speaker 1: plenty of more wins to be able to celebrate this year.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, go braves, We'll talk to you again

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Speaker 1: here on the Hammer Territory podcast