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Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: you hanging out with us as we are rolling through

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Speaker 1: the Tuesday edition of the program. I promise that all

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Speaker 1: my texts are going to the right people as we

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Speaker 1: begin with the story of the day. So you know,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a part of me feels like I

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Speaker 1: should just bail on the show right now, Buck, because

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Speaker 1: we have doctor Laura, famous doctor Laura. Is it slashinger?

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Speaker 1: Is that her last name? I think, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: many of you know doctor Laura. She's a relationship expert.

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Speaker 1: Producer Ali sent messages to our wives saying, hey, can

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Speaker 1: you potentially fill out, you know, do a thirty second

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Speaker 1: talkback question for doctor Laura relationship expert. I am told

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Speaker 1: that my wife said thirty seconds is not enough and

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Speaker 1: sent in a two minute long question, And a part

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Speaker 1: of me feels like, Buck, I should I just just.

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Speaker 2: Wave right now and just go ahead and leave.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what the question that my wife's

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Speaker 1: sent in was, but she needed two minutes instead of

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds. So anyway, that's our two our only guest today,

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Speaker 1: doctor Laura, featuring a question from my wife Laura and

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Speaker 1: your wife Carrie like wanted less less, had less go.

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Speaker 1: She hasn't been married twenty years, but she has written

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Speaker 1: a question correct for doctor Laura. She preferred to just

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Speaker 1: write it out and I will read the question to

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Speaker 1: doctor Laura. So both of our wives took different different

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Speaker 1: pathways on this one. I would just say, though the

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Speaker 1: reason I know I did not I had heard of

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Speaker 1: doctor Laura before. I know she had a very big

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Speaker 1: show for a long time on radio. But it's because

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Speaker 1: sometimes my wife, like right after we got married, for example,

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Speaker 1: you know, Carrie would I would come home or there'd

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Speaker 1: be dinner on the table, and she would say things like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Laura says. And I noticed this trend

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Speaker 1: of whenever Carrie would say doctor Laura says about relationship thing,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 2: I like that, that's good. This is healthy.

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Speaker 1: You think she gives good advice in general, based on

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Speaker 1: your experience, excellent advice From my own experience of a

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Speaker 1: wife who's been listening to doctor Laura for many, many years,

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Speaker 1: Everything that she has picked up from doctor Laura, including

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Speaker 1: some of the tough love stuff, is you know for

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Speaker 1: the audience is very solid. Well, I'm excited for that.

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Speaker 1: That is our two speaking of tough love. All right,

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Speaker 1: So newest story, if you have not heard, is that

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Speaker 1: as we prepared to bomb the uties, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: I think was totally the right decision to try to

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Speaker 1: free up shipping lanes and send a message Churon, there

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Speaker 1: was a group chat. Based on my research, Buck, you

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Speaker 1: can correct me if I'm wrong on any of these facts,

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Speaker 1: I think there were eighteen people involved in a group

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Speaker 1: chat on the Signal app, which is designed to be

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Speaker 1: a high privacy way to basically send text messages outside

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Speaker 1: of doing so from a regular cell phone network or

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Speaker 1: an Apple cell phone network. I would imagine most of

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Speaker 1: you probably are sending text messages and if you have

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Speaker 1: an Apple phone or an Apple device, they're blue. If

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Speaker 1: you're sending outside of the Apple universe, they're green. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what do you think maybe ten percent of

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Speaker 1: our audience has downloaded the Signal app. The Signal app

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Speaker 1: I have it on my phone is sometimes ways that

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Speaker 1: people I've noticed it in media in particular, that want

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Speaker 1: to communicate things, but they don't want to send them

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Speaker 1: on a traditional text message network because they're concerned about

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Speaker 1: somebody else surveilling them. For lack of a better way

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Speaker 1: to describe this now as end the end encryption. It's

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Speaker 1: considered one of the better platforms for privacy and security

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Speaker 1: out there. But there's what's good for your privacy and

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Speaker 1: security versus what a nation state entity can break into

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Speaker 1: and can surveil. Right, So it's one thing for you

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Speaker 1: worried about some random hacker getting our information. It's a

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Speaker 1: different thing to say, can the Chinese communist parties intelligence

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Speaker 2: That's the question.

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Speaker 1: So in this I believe it was eighteen people accidentally.

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Speaker 1: This is unfortunate. It appears National Security advisor Mike Waltz

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Speaker 1: you could have added the editor of Atlantic to this

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Speaker 1: group chat was not the person that you wanted to add.

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Speaker 1: And now that the price of eggs are back to normal,

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Speaker 1: remember that talking point. And now that the stock market

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Speaker 1: SMP five hundred at least is back above where it

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Speaker 1: was on election day, they need a new talking point

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Speaker 2: Did you say it's Jeffrey Goldberg. What did I call him?

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Speaker 2: I think you said Jonah, who has made jokes about

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Speaker 2: how he is not Jeffrey Goldberg. Jonah Goldberg is a

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Speaker 2: different media Goldberg. I thought you were making Joe there.

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Speaker 2: I was waiting for you to to point this out.

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Speaker 1: It's Jeffrey Hilliberg of the Atlantic, my bad, not the

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Speaker 1: actor from the Big Short Race. Is that the wrong guy,

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Speaker 1: Jonah Hill.

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Speaker 2: Get your Goldberg straight?

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Speaker 1: I am, I am, I am out to lunch here

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Speaker 2: This guy is the editor. He's not a movie star.

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Speaker 1: He is not a fat person who has the same

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Speaker 1: is not Jonah Hill, not Jonah Goldberg. Jeffrey Goldberg, editor

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Speaker 1: at the Atlantic. All right, So he is on this

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Speaker 1: about the security failure for The Atlantic? Does it yesterday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: about time our show ended, And so it has been

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Speaker 1: so clearly I'm not the intelligence expert here. Let me

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Speaker 1: go to you first, Buck, Like, we know Pete, we

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Speaker 1: know JD, we know probably most of the people on

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Speaker 2: And then these are some of these individuals are friends

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Speaker 2: unbiased as I can in this situation. Right, But when

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about someone like Pete or Tulsi their friends,

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Speaker 2: they're patriots. I know where their heart is, I know

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Speaker 2: what they're trying to do for the country, and so

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Speaker 2: I comment everything from that perspective first. But let me

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Speaker 2: just I'll back back into this play for a second.

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Speaker 2: First up, I don't want to help the Democrats in

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Speaker 2: any way in this moment in time by giving them

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Speaker 2: All right, So that's we are cognizant of that. Here.

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Speaker 2: It was, as you mentioned, the price of eggs, all

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Speaker 2: the national security. They need to calm down, take a

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Speaker 2: excruciating humiliation of Trump doing all the things that he's

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Speaker 2: but they don't. They find it humiliating. National security and

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Speaker 2: classification classification is broken down by the expected possible harm

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Speaker 2: think that's an important foundational understanding of this. Right, So

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Speaker 2: if if some guy on the street somewhere shares his

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Speaker 2: the Kremlin. Okay, well, that's going to be very high level.

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Speaker 2: The stuff that I have seen so far that they

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Speaker 2: some that shows it is clearly classified. This information did

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Speaker 2: whether there was anything classified in there, Okay, Clay. Then

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Speaker 2: So this is where Trump has already come out and

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Speaker 2: presumably traveling all over the world. And shouldn't we have

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Speaker 2: a method of communication given that these guys for the most.

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Speaker 1: Part, are around our age. People like you and me

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Speaker 1: it oftentimes I would think would be difficult to get

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense? This is where yeah, absolutely, this

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Speaker 1: well informed with what the United States government is doing

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Speaker 1: so that Tulca Gabbard doesn't turn on the television and

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Speaker 1: find out on Fox News that we have attacked to Hooties, right,

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Speaker 1: and maybe she's in Yemen or wherever the heck she

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Speaker 1: might be. And Pete Hegseth right now, I know because

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Speaker 1: the picture are out is touring the Pacific and these

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Speaker 1: eighteen people are in six different time zones and actually

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Speaker 1: the easiest way sometimes to communicate is text message. So

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Speaker 1: point one, shouldn't we have a design system that is

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Speaker 1: forward thinking from a security perspective for younger people who

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Speaker 1: are used to communicating in this manner. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: take it back one hundred years or eighty years or

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Speaker 1: whatever it was. And I'm sure people were like, we

447
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Speaker 1: can never communicate on the telephone any secret knowledge. Oh

448
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Speaker 1: my goodness, this is crazy. And then everybody who grew

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Speaker 1: up using the telephone expects for the devices to be

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Speaker 1: created that are able to be used in this method

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Speaker 1: Step one, step two. And this is just a layman question.

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Speaker 1: This guy Goldberg, I think he should have had to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it feel to me like a big part

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Speaker 1: of this story is his dishonesty and also staying involved

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Speaker 1: in a conversation that he was aware he was never

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Speaker 1: intended to be tagged on, and yet he stayed in

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Speaker 1: there and continued to receive these messages. In your own lives,

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Speaker 1: if you were a part of a group text chain

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Speaker 1: that you were not intended to be on, which I

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Speaker 1: bet if you're under the age of fifty, is something

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Speaker 1: that has happened to almost everybody out there at some

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Speaker 1: point in time. Certainly, if you're under the age of forty,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you just leave the group chat either publicly say hey,

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Speaker 1: wrong guy, or just leave on your own volition. The

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Speaker 1: fact that he stayed in there and kept receiving all

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Speaker 1: of these messages makes me think that his behavior was

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Speaker 1: quite nefarious, to say nothing of waiting to drop the.

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Speaker 2: Story like he did. Well, this is where journalists like

469
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Speaker 2: to have it both ways. Right, they're patriots and they

470
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Speaker 2: care about the country too. When I said or less,

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Speaker 2: He's a left wing Democrat. This has been clear for

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Speaker 2: fingerprints all over the Trump Suckers and Losers thing from

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Speaker 2: Arlington Cemetery, which I never believed for one second. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Trump is perfect, but Trump does not

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Speaker 2: think people who gave their lives fighting for the military

478
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Speaker 2: are losers. That was just total I mean I can't

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Speaker 2: even say on radio what it was is total nonsense.

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Speaker 2: But Clay, what they'll say is, well, I have as

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Speaker 2: a journalist, I need to know whatever I can find

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Speaker 2: out about the upper echelons of government, and you know,

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Speaker 2: the sharing of information and everything else that's going on there.

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Speaker 2: You know, I look, if I were on this and

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Speaker 2: I'm in tex contact with some of these people, to

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Speaker 2: be clear, I mean, this is the thing. This is

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Speaker 2: what happens when you have people from the media and

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Speaker 2: that you've known for many years who are now running

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Speaker 2: massive departments of the government. Clay, I know these people,

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Speaker 2: I know them personally.

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Speaker 1: Just this is how people who are under the age

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Speaker 1: of fifty overwhelmingly communicate. We don't get on bones and

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Speaker 1: have long conversations. Most of our communications is via text.

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Speaker 2: Right. But but what I'm what I'm you know, shining

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Speaker 2: a spotlight on is is just that, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: these these are individuals who are doing the best practices

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Speaker 2: if I felt like I was in, you know, in

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Speaker 2: the room, what I shouldn't be in the room, so

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Speaker 2: to speak, in this case, the chat room, I'd be like, hey, guys, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: I'm out because I wouldn't want them, as senior government

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Speaker 2: officials who've clearly made you know, I'm not a nefarious

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Speaker 2: foreign actor, right, I'm not. I'm not trying to run

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Speaker 2: information ops for Al Jazeera over here. If if I'm

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Speaker 2: in this, I would say, hey, guys, you know I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna duck out now. I know you've got to talk

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Speaker 2: about stuff because I'm an American and this is the

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Intelligence. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and you know, my my desire to get a scoop

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Speaker 2: is infinitely less important to me then, especially when talking

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Speaker 2: about something on military strike, then my desire to protect

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Speaker 2: US national security secrets. I mean, look, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: I mean I had an example of this, Clay when

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Speaker 2: the Benghazi story broke on TV. I was actually on

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Speaker 2: went live for hours on it. I had to sit

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Speaker 2: there and be like I don't know what's going I

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Speaker 2: knew exactly what it happened in terms of like a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff that came out, I'll just put it

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Speaker 2: that way. And I had to sit there and be

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Speaker 2: it wasn't my place to blow in. So I just

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Speaker 2: sat there and was just as things were coming on

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Speaker 2: at that. I could have been, Oh, let me tell

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Speaker 2: you what's really going on here and really what the

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Speaker 2: was in CTC and the CIA, and here's no nothing.

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Speaker 2: Because my obligation to my clearance and to my country

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Speaker 2: matters a heck of a lot more than breaking the

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Speaker 2: story and getting some attention. And this is a different

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Speaker 2: thing in this era where we have a lot of

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Speaker 2: people that work in public facing jobs who have had

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Speaker 2: access to high level national security information. Right it's on

536
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Speaker 2: you as an American to always put country first over job.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, like like role in that I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking about job in the Pentagon, I mean job

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Speaker 2: in like a media organization. I could have been out

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Speaker 2: there telling everybody stuff about Benghazi that would have made

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Speaker 2: me the first guy, and they're like, oh, what's the

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Speaker 2: people like, what's the annex? And there's all this stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I have no idea. Guys. I had

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Speaker 2: to sit there and be like, I don't know. And

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Speaker 2: it was early in my career, and I could have

546
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Speaker 2: been a big thing of it, but I knew what

547
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Speaker 2: those guys the risk that they had taken by being there.

548
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what the following operations were going to be.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what was blown. I didn't know what

550
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Speaker 2: was going to happen. I didn't know anything, and so

551
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Speaker 2: I just sat there and had to just read information

552
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Speaker 2: as that came across the news wire like everybody else.

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Speaker 2: And I'm saying, you know, Jeffrey Goldberg is like, oh no,

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Speaker 2: I need to get the information as much of it

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Speaker 2: as I can, and then I'll make the determination about this.

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Speaker 2: Was that in the interest of national security, you don't

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Speaker 2: think you want to give these guys a heads up that, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to be on this chat. I mean,

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Speaker 2: to your point, yeah, what really matters to him? I

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Speaker 2: mean my initial reaction I'm on a group chat that

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Speaker 2: I don't think I should be on is Hey, I

562
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Speaker 2: want to get out. First of all, a lot of

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Speaker 2: you probably get dragged into your group chats, if you're

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Speaker 2: a mom or a dad, little league group chats, gymnastics

565
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Speaker 2: group chats, dance team group chat, like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: do I need to be on this right? You might

567
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Speaker 2: want to get you might want to get out. But

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Speaker 2: if you're dragged into something that you know you have

569
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Speaker 2: no business seeing, I just it feels like to me

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Speaker 2: like you would immediately withdraw and not stay there. Second part,

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Speaker 2: and I want to get your answer on this when

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Speaker 2: we come back in the next do we need to

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Speaker 2: update communication capabilities and standards for people involved in defense industries?

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Speaker 2: Because I was I was actually just looking at Elon

575
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Speaker 2: Musk and he was talking about the government is so

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Speaker 2: far behind in the tech that often it has relative

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Speaker 2: to what other private sector organizations might have. In other words,

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Speaker 2: whatever you do for a living, if you're a if

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Speaker 2: you're in defense industries or something like that, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they have high tech communications capabilities. How would these eighteen

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Speaker 2: people have.

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Speaker 1: Been able to talk if they're in four or five

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Speaker 1: different time zones all around the world, How can they

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Speaker 2: Well, we have high I mean we have this, we

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Speaker 2: have high side, I mean, we have classify channels.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess my question for you when we come back,

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Speaker 2: There are there are the equivalent of let's say, let's

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Speaker 1: When we come back. Then, why would a communication like

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Speaker 2: calls here. Brett in Louisiana. What's going on, Brett?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Clay Buck, thanks for taking my call, great job,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. My question are why did Waltz add Goldberg

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Speaker 3: to this chat? And uh, why has he even communicated

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Speaker 3: with this guy? And what else has he sent the Goldberg?

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Speaker 2: I think that's an excellent I think that's an excellent question, Brett.

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Speaker 2: So let me say that President Trump is aware of

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Speaker 2: the situation and has said that Mike Walltz learned a lesson.

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Speaker 2: I believe Mike Waltz is reported as the guy who

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Speaker 2: added Goldberg. Now not to not to bring this up again, Clay,

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Speaker 2: but he may have had more than one, you know, Clay,

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Speaker 2: Clay said Jonah Jeffrey. You know, we're definitely getting different

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Speaker 2: names in here. Mike might have had more than one

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Speaker 2: Goldberg on his phone it or it might have also

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Speaker 2: just been the first initial of the name, which is

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Speaker 2: what happens in a lot of these uh you know,

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Speaker 2: AI enabled chat apps and things now where you know,

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Speaker 2: if I type in a C on my phone, it's

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Speaker 2: probably gonna show up as Clay because oh actually no,

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Speaker 2: to show up is carried my wife. Sorry, sorry, it'll

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Speaker 2: show up as my wife. I was trying to pick

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Speaker 2: on that, well, you know it'll show up his care bear,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, I will.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The point is that it might have been an accident

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Speaker 2: in that regard. The other question, though, that Brett gets to,

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Speaker 2: is well, why would Joanah Goldberg? I'm sorry, Uh, Jeffrey,

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg. Why would Jeffrey see Clay I blame you

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Speaker 2: for this? Why would Jeffrey Goldberg be on Mike Waltz's

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Speaker 2: contact list. I don't have regime media names in my

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Speaker 2: phone if I went through my email, because sometimes they'll

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Speaker 2: ask me for a comment or something, and I don't

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Speaker 2: talk to Democrat regime media as a rule. I just,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Clay likes to you know, Clay likes to

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Speaker 2: mock them and humiliate them. I just ignore them generally,

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Speaker 2: write fair, I think fair when they come after you,

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Speaker 2: do you enjoy Yes, yes, Clay likes to mix it

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Speaker 2: up with them. I just kind of, you know, ignore them.

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Speaker 2: But I don't have a good answer for that. You know,

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Speaker 2: I know Mike Walt's a bit. He's a good guy,

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Speaker 2: he's a patriot, he served his country SF many many years.

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Speaker 2: He'll give some kind of an answer to that, But

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Speaker 2: I know people Clay are like, why would you be

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Speaker 2: talking to somebody who's trying to destroy Trump? It's a

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Speaker 2: it's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: Unintentional seems to be clearly the answer. Maybe there was

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Speaker 1: somebody else again on it, But why is he in

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Speaker 1: his contact list?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't have.

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Speaker 1: I don't have Jeffrey Goldberg in my contact list. Same here,

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Speaker 1: I don't either. He was a congressman before. Maybe there

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Speaker 1: was some story that Goldberg wrote.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just working through why that would have happened.

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Speaker 2: You know. It would have been like if you told

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Speaker 2: me that you tried to send me something and it

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Speaker 2: went to Paul Krugman instead, I'd be like, Clay, why

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Speaker 2: is Paul Krugman in your contact list?

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Speaker 1: My big takeaway here is if I had been accidentally

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Speaker 1: added to this group chat, which could have happened, If

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Speaker 1: you had been absolutely accidentally added to this group chat,

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Speaker 1: we would immediately said, hey, guys, don't think I'm supposed

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Speaker 1: to be on here. Why is no one asking the question?

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Speaker 1: Why didn't he immediately just withdraw