Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Top ten Bobby Cast of two.
Speaker 1: My name is Mike d and on part two I
Speaker 1: will be taking you through the top five Bobby cast
Speaker 1: of the year. If you miss part one, just go
Speaker 1: back in the feed and listen to what made it
Speaker 1: into numbers ten through six. But this is the best
Speaker 1: of the best of the year. These were are most downloaded,
Speaker 1: are most interacted with, and the episodes that we encourage
Speaker 1: you if you missed them in their entirety, to go
Speaker 1: back in the feed and listen to these entire hour
Speaker 1: long interviews. So let's kick it off with number five
Speaker 1: from episode three sixty eight. It is Rita Wilson. A
Speaker 1: little behind the scenes. This one probably took a year
Speaker 1: to book because Rita Wilson is rarely in Nashville. But
Speaker 1: I knew if we could make it happen, it would
Speaker 1: make for a great episode, and that proved to be true.
Speaker 1: I think Rita ended up crying twice in this entire interview,
Speaker 1: and this is just a small portion of that. So
Speaker 1: I highly encourage you to go back and listen to
Speaker 1: episode three six eight. Here is Rita Wilson talking about
Speaker 1: being a first generation of American and her parents heroic
Speaker 1: journey to the United States. I do want to go back, though,
Speaker 1: because I'm curious about your roots and even what it
Speaker 1: was like growing up, Like how people turn out the
Speaker 1: way they are. What was your house, like, it's seven
Speaker 1: years old, who's there? Where do you live? That is
Speaker 1: such a great question. Well, I'm a first generation American.
Speaker 1: My mom was Greek and my dad was Bulgarian, and
Speaker 1: they both had to escape their various countries because during
Speaker 1: World War Two, my mom's village was on the border
Speaker 1: of Greece and Albania, and as things got tough, they
Speaker 1: knew they had to leave. So my mom had to
Speaker 1: cross over these mountains by herself in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night to get into Greece, to get to Athens
Speaker 1: to eventually restore her American passport because she was born
Speaker 1: in America. How old was she when when she had
Speaker 1: to do that. She was a nineteen when she left
Speaker 1: by herself, just with this backpack. I call it a backpack,
Speaker 1: but it was something on her back that carried this
Speaker 1: sterling silver flatwear that they had brought from New York.
Speaker 1: Did you ever talk to her about that, Like what
Speaker 1: was going through her mind when she made that decision where,
Speaker 1: because that's a hard decision, even if you know you
Speaker 1: have to do it, it's a hard decision to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I have to go. Well, the harder decision was
Speaker 1: that her parents, sorry, her mother was there because her
Speaker 1: dad had died when they went there on a vacation
Speaker 1: at four years old, just a village visit the village
Speaker 1: and um, so her mother was a widow with four
Speaker 1: kids at a very young age, and they were supposed
Speaker 1: to leave altogether, but they got word that there was
Speaker 1: going to be a letter coming. And they knew in
Speaker 1: this small village that if somebody came to deliver a
Speaker 1: letter and no one was there to receive it, that's
Speaker 1: unusual where they go, you know, where everybody is. So
Speaker 1: my mom offered to stay back to get the letter
Speaker 1: so that she could the family could go ahead of her,
Speaker 1: and then there would be no suspicion arouse, like cover exactly.
Speaker 1: And then my dad, he um was born in Grease
Speaker 1: and raised in Bulgaria, and oh my god, his story
Speaker 1: is so I don't know how much time we have. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's who I am. It's exactly who I am,
Speaker 1: and we'll lead back to Christian Bush in a second um.
Speaker 1: But he wanted it's so sad. But he met a woman,
Speaker 1: he had a baby and um they were married, had
Speaker 1: a baby, and on December the baby died. And on December, sorry,
Speaker 1: on a December the baby was born. On December the
Speaker 1: mother died, his wife, and four months later the baby died.
Speaker 1: His name was Emil. I didn't know this at all.
Speaker 1: I did that show Who Do You Think You Are?
Speaker 1: And all of this came out. My dad never told
Speaker 1: me that. So he tried to escape Bulgaria. I think
Speaker 1: just out of sheer unhappiness and my dad really loved
Speaker 1: the idea of America. So tries to escape, gets caught,
Speaker 1: goes They say him, if you try to escape again,
Speaker 1: we're going to make you an enemy of the state
Speaker 1: and we're gonna put you in jail. He does it again,
Speaker 1: He gets caught and they put him in a labor camp.
Speaker 1: And this labor camp was one of the most severe
Speaker 1: labor camps that that at the time. Commun this labor camp,
Speaker 1: he gets a job. It's a coal sort of mining
Speaker 1: labor camp, and he notices that at the night shift
Speaker 1: there are these trains that come in and they pick
Speaker 1: up amounts of coal and they take them away. It's
Speaker 1: the spec and I'm nervous watching the movie and I
Speaker 1: know it's not real, but this is what you're telling
Speaker 1: a story about your dad. Yes, and he um. He
Speaker 1: bribes one of the guards with a carton of cigarettes
Speaker 1: that I guess somebody gave him as a gift on
Speaker 1: visiting day. And uh. He wanted to work the night
Speaker 1: shift because he knew if he worked the night shift
Speaker 1: he had a plan. So he sees the trains come
Speaker 1: in he's working the night shift. He says, hey, can
Speaker 1: we go down and get some more firewood for the
Speaker 1: um fire. They were on a break, It's like two
Speaker 1: in the morning, and the guard says, yeah sure. He says,
Speaker 1: can I take Richard with me, because you know, easier
Speaker 1: to bring more wood back, and goes yeah sure. So
Speaker 1: they go down there and they slotted themselves between the
Speaker 1: trains where they couldn't be seen, and they started running.
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes later they figured it out. He could hear
Speaker 1: the dogs barking, and they just ran and ran and
Speaker 1: ran and ran. Eventually got away, made their way to
Speaker 1: Turkey and trying to make it very slow quick. You
Speaker 1: don't have to make it quick, got on a boat
Speaker 1: that was my dad got a job on a freighter
Speaker 1: boat shoveling coal, and made his way to Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: jumped the ship. But what he did was he took
Speaker 1: Richard with him as a stowaway because there was no
Speaker 1: work for Richard, and so he was stowed away in
Speaker 1: the basically the engine room. And Richard and my dad
Speaker 1: made it to America, and Richard went on to New
Speaker 1: Zealand became a very very successful um businessman. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so here's the thing about that is that I felt
Speaker 1: like when you said, what's it like it's seven years old.
Speaker 1: I was keenly aware of how lucky my parents felt
Speaker 1: that they were. And they always said things like my
Speaker 1: dad was always God bless America every single day. And
Speaker 1: I felt like, I'm really lucky I live in America,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was really proud, and uh, he
Speaker 1: never took that for granted. And Christian and I wrote
Speaker 1: a song because I thought to myself, I wonder if
Speaker 1: courage is handed down? Does courage get handed down? Do
Speaker 1: we learn that from somewhere? Do people do people? Can
Speaker 1: they do it? And I thought we wrote a song
Speaker 1: called Heart He handed down Christian Bush and I because
Speaker 1: I really thought it was for my children, for my
Speaker 1: my kids like to say this, this guy lives in you.
Speaker 1: You know, he's I'd like to ask a couple of
Speaker 1: questions about your dad, if that's okay, because holy holy moly,
Speaker 1: the fact that he first tried to escape right just
Speaker 1: to just to try to leave for a better life,
Speaker 1: a lot of bravery there. He got caught, I'd probably like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm good, I'm good almost. I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to go to jail. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be labeled a terrorists, basically, is what
Speaker 1: they said to him. He does it again, gets caught again. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now though, if they would have caught him a
Speaker 1: third time trying to leave labor camp, oh, he would
Speaker 1: have been shot and killed. I would have killed him, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And when I went back to do that program, they
Speaker 1: took me to the you know, Hall of records, let's say,
Speaker 1: from the Bulgarian government, and he was listed as an
Speaker 1: enemy of the state. He had a number. If they
Speaker 1: ever caught him, he would have been put in jail
Speaker 1: for life. Who knows what else. The other thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to go back to is so his first son, Emil,
Speaker 1: was born in December. Well, my sister, her daughter, firstborn daughter,
Speaker 1: was born in December, and my youngest son, Truman, is
Speaker 1: born in December. And I thought all those birthdays that
Speaker 1: my dad on December he was celebrating his grandchildren and
Speaker 1: also his son. He was there to see them. Yes. Yes,
Speaker 1: he died when he was eighty nine. My mom died
Speaker 1: when she was ninety three. That also is they lived
Speaker 1: to be a wonderfully old age. Yes, all of that.
Speaker 1: And when I asked what you were like at seven,
Speaker 1: and I can move to thirteen now because I see
Speaker 1: the picture of your parents and it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: vague picture, but it's a strong picture, right, Like I
Speaker 1: would assume that the values they taught you, even maybe
Speaker 1: not always purposeful, but just because what was instilled in
Speaker 1: them was like we don't stop like we if it's
Speaker 1: something we're passionate about, that's what we value. That's what
Speaker 1: we asked him. Value were just so big in your
Speaker 1: you know, it was huge. Like my dad was a bartender,
Speaker 1: my mom didn't work, and my parents were not educated,
Speaker 1: but they were very intelligent and they had enormous character,
Speaker 1: and uh, it was. It was really fun because my
Speaker 1: mom also, you know, she did everything she could so cook.
Speaker 1: She made our curtains, our bedspreads, are clothes. Like if
Speaker 1: I went shopping for a pair of jeans, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are cute, and she's like, I can make those.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, Mom, I want a pair of jeans.
Speaker 1: Jeans I can buy in a store. Okay, um, but
Speaker 1: uh I. I really learned that value of hard work
Speaker 1: because I saw how hard my dad worked, and because
Speaker 1: he would get tips, he'd bring the tips home and
Speaker 1: he would bring them home and you know those purple
Speaker 1: felt bags from Crown Royal bottles exactly. He would bring
Speaker 1: his tips home in that the coins we on Saturday mornings,
Speaker 1: we'd take them all out, Separate out the nickels, the dimes,
Speaker 1: the quarters of the pennies. Put him in the little
Speaker 1: paper u holes that you know you take to the
Speaker 1: bank right the account number on and take him that way.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, my God, like he raised
Speaker 1: a family of three in Hollywood, never had debt, and
Speaker 1: I didn't even get a credit card until I was
Speaker 1: seventeen because I was like, Dad, I can't get a
Speaker 1: credit card unless you get a credit card, so can
Speaker 1: you please get one so that I can have one
Speaker 1: on your account? And and I think that's amazing because
Speaker 1: you probably can't do that nowadays. You know, that's why
Speaker 1: you're never late. I mean, I mean that's why. And
Speaker 1: we laugh, we honestly we laugh. But that's probably like,
Speaker 1: deep down in your guts, that's like, I'm not late
Speaker 1: because I need to respect the other people that are
Speaker 1: showing up on time because my parents taught me. Like,
Speaker 1: that's a really amazing comeback to that part of the
Speaker 1: conversation here where you're like, yeah, I'm not late. You
Speaker 1: know why you're not late even though you're a big star,
Speaker 1: because your parents have been still this in you and
Speaker 1: it's still sitting with you today. That is so cool.
Speaker 1: That's that's very very nice to think that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were just really good people. And I think having
Speaker 1: parents that um were immigrants and had accents and things
Speaker 1: like that, I remember absolutely feeling like people sort of
Speaker 1: treated them differently. And I don't mean that in a
Speaker 1: positive way, because they just assumed that they weren't smart
Speaker 1: or or not American in that sense, born in America,
Speaker 1: and um, there was something about that I think that
Speaker 1: allowed it. In a way, it teaches you empathy because
Speaker 1: I knew, like, these people are awesome. My parents are
Speaker 1: fantastic people, even though somebody may not be treating them
Speaker 1: that way. So you kind of connect to that in
Speaker 1: a way. So seven years old, I was a really
Speaker 1: happy kid and um and very you know, like it
Speaker 1: was just a very typical child. Even though it was Hollywood, California,
Speaker 1: it was still very typical. Could have been any town, USA.
Speaker 1: At number four is Billy Ray Cyrus from episode three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty. Billy Ray is a very polarizing guy
Speaker 1: when he walks into the room, and he was so
Speaker 1: open and honest throughout this entire interview and even brought
Speaker 1: his guitar with him and was just randomly going into songs.
Speaker 1: So this is definitely one you gotta listen to the
Speaker 1: full episode. But this is Billy Ray Cyrus talking about
Speaker 1: getting his big break right before he thought about giving
Speaker 1: up on music, and the moment he decided to get clean.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty nine, nine UM nine and one week. I
Speaker 1: wrote three of the songs off the album Some Gay Ball,
Speaker 1: including Some Gay Ball. I admit a Vietnam veteran in Huntington,
Speaker 1: West Virginia at the Little Bar I played that night,
Speaker 1: and um, that song happened to be the song that
Speaker 1: I played for Harold Ship when after ten years of
Speaker 1: being told no for the first time, somebody said yes.
Speaker 1: And that was the song that made someone go, hey,
Speaker 1: I see like a flicker of something in you right
Speaker 1: him in And uh it was actually I was. I
Speaker 1: was down. That was gonna be my last try. I said,
Speaker 1: if this doesn't work, I better get a job at
Speaker 1: the railroad. I had this song, I've written some gay balls,
Speaker 1: the song I should play. And then he said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna structure you a little deal, and Mercury Records started
Speaker 1: a process of offering me a record deal. And it
Speaker 1: took a year or two to make that and the record.
Speaker 1: It actually took two weeks to make the record. In
Speaker 1: the summer of two weeks, I was living in my
Speaker 1: car parked in the parking lot of the music Meal
Speaker 1: and we recorded all ten nine tracks during the first
Speaker 1: week of June, and I stuck around and saying all
Speaker 1: my vocals and did all my harmonies and all my overdubs.
Speaker 1: On the second week of June, and then I went
Speaker 1: back to my gig in West Virginia and got fired.
Speaker 1: A big fistbot broke out and and some guns were involved,
Speaker 1: and me and the band stopped playing, and the owner said,
Speaker 1: if you don't keep playing, you're fired. So I out
Speaker 1: of the highest moment of my life came the lowest,
Speaker 1: and I found myself in Richmond, Virginia, at a disco
Speaker 1: where they just hated us. I mean they hated everything
Speaker 1: we did, except for when we would play this new
Speaker 1: song i'd cut called at the time, it was called
Speaker 1: Don't Tell My Heart. And I noticed, no matter how
Speaker 1: bad they hated us, when I played Don't Tell My Heart,
Speaker 1: they packed the dance floor. And and after that I
Speaker 1: told Mercury Record said, man, that one song, don't Tell
Speaker 1: My Heart. Um, it's a dance song. The even the
Speaker 1: boot scooters they'd get out there and scoot them boots
Speaker 1: across the floor. And I said, I think that song
Speaker 1: might be called achy Breaky Heart because they ought the
Speaker 1: drunks or whoever always say play at achy breaky song.
Speaker 1: That's how you suggested it. Because the people at the
Speaker 1: bar were like, playkey break but it was called Don't
Speaker 1: Tell My Heart, and um, don band trist the Vietnam
Speaker 1: veteran who ironically wrote the song. When he came to
Speaker 1: meet me at the music meal, um, I said, hey, uh, sir,
Speaker 1: did you ever think about changing the name of that
Speaker 1: song to Achy breaking Heart? And he said, I don't
Speaker 1: care what you call it, Let's just get it. Get
Speaker 1: him to put it out, and and uh they did,
Speaker 1: and did you think? And I have some questions about
Speaker 1: if you break her in a minute? But some gave all,
Speaker 1: that's that's what you run on my guitar like, and
Speaker 1: also have affinity for that song and for the message
Speaker 1: when you cut that record, which is some gave all,
Speaker 1: that's the title track. Did you feel like that was
Speaker 1: going to be like the song for you that represented
Speaker 1: who you were? First everything was on the line with
Speaker 1: some gay ball because that was big test for me
Speaker 1: and my band. One of the things I had insisted
Speaker 1: on was I wanted to use my band on the session.
Speaker 1: We played every night together and we'd work the songs
Speaker 1: up very similar to the Springsteen E Street sound. We
Speaker 1: just had a band sound. I said, I really want
Speaker 1: to use my band, and Harold Ship said, you know what,
Speaker 1: we will try for one song. On January the third,
Speaker 1: they gave us a test at the meal, and we
Speaker 1: got to cut one song, and we cut some, gave
Speaker 1: all and they said, okay, we love it. Let's do
Speaker 1: nine more. And they scheduled the nine for the June.
Speaker 1: So that's like, oh, man, I gotta live five six
Speaker 1: more months. And that's when Don't Tell My Heart came
Speaker 1: into my life, and I threw off one of my
Speaker 1: songs i'd written and added that one just because it
Speaker 1: felt special. Whenever a break your heart, they come to
Speaker 1: you and go, hey, want this to be the first single.
Speaker 1: Are you like I agree? Or are you like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I have these other songs that I feel
Speaker 1: very passionate about. I felt like there was the one,
Speaker 1: like there was something about it that especially um just
Speaker 1: because when we would play it, you could just feel
Speaker 1: the energy and the dance floors would pack and again.
Speaker 1: By then they I started getting these little jobs at
Speaker 1: country clubs where they a lot of bootscoot dancing and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and and that really wasn't my expertise.
Speaker 1: It was more like either I was playing southern rock
Speaker 1: or songs I'd written, or George Jones and Johnny Cash
Speaker 1: and like the standards of country and uh, but when
Speaker 1: I play Aky breaky, they just pack it out and
Speaker 1: it just so that was kind of it felt like
Speaker 1: a hit, obviously breaking out with a massive song. But
Speaker 1: my song was where am I Gonna Live When I get?
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved and that video on CMT that
Speaker 1: song to me is you thank you? And I don't
Speaker 1: know how you feel about that, because I feel you
Speaker 1: have me. I do feel like me again. And that
Speaker 1: was during the month of May of n nine and
Speaker 1: what had happened was the gig got playing West Virginia.
Speaker 1: We'd start on Tuesday night. We played Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: and Sunday, so five nights a week, four sets a night.
Speaker 1: And on a Tuesday night, I stayed out all night
Speaker 1: up to the next morning. And I was married to
Speaker 1: a very kind lady in Ohio at the time, and
Speaker 1: I didn't come home. It was sunrise Wednesday morning, and
Speaker 1: I probably wreaked of liquor and um, maybe some lipstick
Speaker 1: on my collar. I don't know, but it was ugly
Speaker 1: and I like, the sun's up and my normal neighbors
Speaker 1: that have real jobs are going to work and I'm
Speaker 1: out in front of the house in that red uck,
Speaker 1: that's in the video, and I'm going where am I
Speaker 1: going to live? Where am I gonna live? Where am
Speaker 1: I gonna live? When I get homeless? I wrote it
Speaker 1: right then, Well then I go in, everything goes the crap,
Speaker 1: and but I had the song. And then that night
Speaker 1: I went back to the gig and I was pretty
Speaker 1: down and depressed and sad, and I wrote She's not
Speaker 1: crying Anymore on Wednesday, and then I didn't write anything
Speaker 1: on Thursday, Friday or Saturday. And on Sunday I met
Speaker 1: Sandy Kane and wrote some gay ball. So during that
Speaker 1: one week of May, I wrote three of those songs
Speaker 1: in UH nine eighty nine during that week, all in
Speaker 1: a week. In a week. It's almost Dolly esque when
Speaker 1: she goes, you know, I sat down for this day
Speaker 1: and I wrote these two songs, And you know, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I know both of those songs you wrote on the
Speaker 1: same day. The fact that you kind of nailed those
Speaker 1: three in that time period, and I feel like, creatively,
Speaker 1: it almost takes things to happen to us to kind
Speaker 1: of um create emotion and share emotion. What was happening
Speaker 1: in your life that had you feeling these feelings? To
Speaker 1: create this dynamic music. You think, I think it was
Speaker 1: an excess of alcohol. Um, but it was probably some
Speaker 1: I hate to even say there was. It was a
Speaker 1: pretty rough time. It was a very excessive alcohol. Just
Speaker 1: leave it to that. When you say excessive. Did you
Speaker 1: know it was a problem? Are we just partying too hard?
Speaker 1: I was actually working. It was like part of my job.
Speaker 1: I always had a rule. I said, Okay, I go
Speaker 1: play the first set completely straight straight up. Could Yeah.
Speaker 1: I felt really good. I always felt like the first
Speaker 1: set was like probably my most correct and then um,
Speaker 1: the second set, Like in between the break, I might
Speaker 1: uh take a little puff and then um, go up
Speaker 1: to the second set and I feel lucid. That's probably
Speaker 1: the best set of the night. But by the third set,
Speaker 1: I'd have a puff uh possibly unfortunately, maybe a snort
Speaker 1: um unfortunately. Like then came like it was part of
Speaker 1: people partying. Would send me drinks and some of those
Speaker 1: drinks would be on fire. Someone would be like double
Speaker 1: shots of who knows what, I don't know what it
Speaker 1: takes the light of drink up and then blow it
Speaker 1: out and drink. But I would do that. It was
Speaker 1: so about third set with rocket pretty hard for set.
Speaker 1: I was probably legally drunk and unfortunately, Um, Keith Whitley
Speaker 1: was from my neck of the woods up there in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and I was a huge Keith Whitley fan, and um,
Speaker 1: when he died, that had a big impact on me, like,
Speaker 1: I can't finally get to this point where my dreams
Speaker 1: about to come true, but yet I have some issues.
Speaker 1: So him him having his issues and dying, do you
Speaker 1: feel like it was kind of a mirror. He saved
Speaker 1: my life. I mean, there's no other way to say it.
Speaker 1: He saved my life because my manager, Jack McFadden, was
Speaker 1: Keith Whitley's manager, and he was he was like a
Speaker 1: son to Jack and Jack at that point, I was
Speaker 1: on his roster, but he had never seen me play,
Speaker 1: never heard my music, didn't know exactly what it was
Speaker 1: that I did, but he knew it wasn't exactly straight
Speaker 1: up country. And Jack had managed Merle Haggard and Buck
Speaker 1: Owens and Keith Whitley and tragically on May to nine
Speaker 1: and again this is nine, um May to night. Um,
Speaker 1: Jack was gonna take me to Sony Records for the
Speaker 1: first time. Jack was gonna take me anywhere, and again
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd even heard any of my songs.
Speaker 1: But we had an appointment, so I came down on
Speaker 1: the eighth. Tragically, Keith Whitley UH passed away on the
Speaker 1: morning of the ninth, and UH the meeting was canceled, obviously,
Speaker 1: and I drove back home to Huntington, West Virginia, and
Speaker 1: UH played I'm No Stranger to the Rain over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over. I bet I
Speaker 1: played a hundred times between here and Huntington's and UM,
Speaker 1: it just had a huge impact on me. And UH, luckily,
Speaker 1: and nineteen and ninety one, when I realized that, hey, Cyrus,
Speaker 1: you're about to get your chance. This this You've got
Speaker 1: the album that everybody seems to really believe something. Well,
Speaker 1: they told me, said, man, hang in there, this is
Speaker 1: about to happen. And I stopped at a bridge down
Speaker 1: here on the harpor somewhere and through all my stuff
Speaker 1: into the river, and I said, I can't do this
Speaker 1: and and not be my very best stuff working your
Speaker 1: stuff do you mean? Do you mean your actual stuff
Speaker 1: are drugs? Cocaine cold turkey? I pulled over and threw
Speaker 1: my damn cocaine out. Would you have considered yourself an
Speaker 1: addict or someone who and I come from a massive
Speaker 1: family of addictions. So were you an addict or are
Speaker 1: you someone who just enjoyed it but could also if
Speaker 1: you needed to stop stop? I don't think I could
Speaker 1: stop stop, especially on alcohol, because I drank said so
Speaker 1: as a kid, and I ain't had a beer sense
Speaker 1: like I mean that I had to stop everything, except
Speaker 1: I did say, you know what, having a little puff
Speaker 1: every now and then, if marijuana helps me, it's medicine
Speaker 1: to me. And uh so I kind of allowed myself
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, if you get rid of these two
Speaker 1: devil alcohol in the cocaine, you can keep a little
Speaker 1: bit of the marijuana because that's kind of your medicine.
Speaker 1: And um, and you never look back at. Number three
Speaker 1: from episode three forty two is Cheryl Crowe. I rarely
Speaker 1: get star struck, but it was so cool having Cheryl
Speaker 1: Crow in to do an episode of The Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: So this is probably the closest I've been to star
Speaker 1: struck in a very long time. And I had just
Speaker 1: watched her documentary on Showtime and I truly believe she
Speaker 1: is a living legend. So how cool to have Cheryl
Speaker 1: crow just pull up on her own over to Bobby's
Speaker 1: house and sit down to do an interview. So this
Speaker 1: is number three Cheryl Crow talking about the songs she
Speaker 1: doesn't like to perform anymore, working with Michael Jackson, and
Speaker 1: what it's like to be famous, and when it comes
Speaker 1: to those songs. You know, when you walked in, we're
Speaker 1: talking for a second, and you were you to tell
Speaker 1: him something of which is that segment we do? And
Speaker 1: you know, full transparency here. I do that segment so
Speaker 1: many times, and I'm glad it has been a big
Speaker 1: part of our show in the six But I do
Speaker 1: it all the time, and I've done it all the
Speaker 1: time for years and years. You start to go, man,
Speaker 1: I know people love it. I don't gotta keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that way about some of those songs? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was listening to you guys this morning.
Speaker 1: I was like, your show is always so good and
Speaker 1: fun and funny has emotionalized. I mean, it's just a
Speaker 1: really great show. And I sat there though, I wonder
Speaker 1: if he ever just gets sick of doing that show,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and also being being present
Speaker 1: because it's hard work, man, Like, there's some nights where
Speaker 1: I walk it on stage and I have to like
Speaker 1: fake it until I make it, And generally those are
Speaker 1: the best shows. But there was a period where if
Speaker 1: I thought I had to play all I want to
Speaker 1: do one more time, I would just run straight out
Speaker 1: in front of a backdrop. And it took it took
Speaker 1: my I mean part of it is. It took my
Speaker 1: getting sick to really realize. I mean that song took
Speaker 1: me all over all over the Middle East. I mean
Speaker 1: we went to Israel, we went to we went to
Speaker 1: Tokyo to Kuile I'm poor, and we went all over South.
Speaker 1: The people who couldn't speak English sang every word of
Speaker 1: that wordy song. And I had I just embraced a
Speaker 1: full on gratitude and I enjoy playing it now. But
Speaker 1: there were a few years and there I was just like, ah, God,
Speaker 1: I'm sticking this song. You know, I hate this song.
Speaker 1: I hate this song. Um but I love it. You know.
Speaker 1: I think part of what happens is you get older,
Speaker 1: you get really you know, you get sentimental, and you
Speaker 1: get really grateful, and you get really boring. And I
Speaker 1: love being boring. Now. It's cool to reappreciate it is
Speaker 1: it is because I've started to find myself reappreciating not
Speaker 1: just professional things but also personal things. And so it's
Speaker 1: cool that you have because I I live it, and
Speaker 1: one day I'm gonna like do and tell me something
Speaker 1: good again. One day I'm gonna and I don't. You
Speaker 1: can't tell that you don't like it, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: I will say that it's not even that I don't
Speaker 1: like it. It's that as you do. It's just we
Speaker 1: do it four four times a day, five days a week,
Speaker 1: twenty times, and individually all the stories are great, but
Speaker 1: it's like, man, twenty times again this week you hate now? No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't rufus cold cold with me and we go
Speaker 1: places and what's funny. Sometimes I'll go into a place,
Speaker 1: if it's a bar or a restaurant. I'm gonna bars
Speaker 1: as much anymore, but they'll play that song over the
Speaker 1: top like once they see I'm there, and like that's
Speaker 1: so been associated with I'll just bet or a basketball
Speaker 1: game and you're here then and I'll look at me
Speaker 1: like and you'll see the guy running pointing at me,
Speaker 1: like all right, buddy, So did you ever did you
Speaker 1: talk about Stevi Knicks? Did you ever have a relationship
Speaker 1: with her, did you guys, Oh my gosh, Like that
Speaker 1: had to be the coolest thing. I have so many
Speaker 1: weird experiences um with people like that. Okay, So I like,
Speaker 1: if you dig back through the anals of my um
Speaker 1: my school pictures, I had the Stevie Nicks hair do.
Speaker 1: I met her at my first Grammys. I met her
Speaker 1: at an after party and I have a picture with
Speaker 1: her and Anita Pointer and Bonnie Wright and Carly Simon
Speaker 1: and me, and I was the newbie, and She's like,
Speaker 1: I love you. Would you I'm getting ready to do
Speaker 1: some songs for Practical Magic that that movie. Would you
Speaker 1: produce it? And I was like yeah. And she came
Speaker 1: to New York and and she had her posse, you know,
Speaker 1: some bunch of women, and and I produced her and
Speaker 1: it was just it was unbelievable. I can remember looking
Speaker 1: at her out in the recording booth and she looked
Speaker 1: like a fourteen year old. I mean literally, she looked
Speaker 1: like she had aged a day. She looked exactly as
Speaker 1: I remembered her. And she just was like so embracing
Speaker 1: and so general. It's told stories like I imagine that
Speaker 1: we probably talked and hung out for two hours and
Speaker 1: then she'd sing, and then we'd hang out and talk
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, and then she'd sing and
Speaker 1: it was but it was so glorious. And then she said,
Speaker 1: will you produce the record? And I went up producing
Speaker 1: and going on the road with her, and she's just
Speaker 1: been like very god mom to me. And I don't
Speaker 1: want you to say any names here, but I have
Speaker 1: had experiences where I really was I loved people, got
Speaker 1: to know them, not that goalience people that I would
Speaker 1: and I now I don't really idolize except for like
Speaker 1: hearts yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So but there
Speaker 1: have been times where that's happened and I'm like, why,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe I could just spend time we're gonna
Speaker 1: do And then you're like, oh man, I kind of
Speaker 1: wish I wouldn't have, because it's ruined what I cherished,
Speaker 1: which was these beliefs. Yeah, I'm with how massive you got.
Speaker 1: I had to assume that happened to some. I will
Speaker 1: say I've been really lucky. Almost everybody I've met has
Speaker 1: been beyond beyond my wildest dreams. Um, I got a
Speaker 1: few people and introduce you to then yeah, I bet
Speaker 1: you did a few relatives. Interestingly, I worked with Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson before I hit it big. I was a backup singer,
Speaker 1: went on the road with him for eighteen months, and
Speaker 1: there were some things on that tour. I was just like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. And then later on the documentary
Speaker 1: came out, and um, I mean he was. He was
Speaker 1: already eccentric on that tour. But people asked me all
Speaker 1: the time, are you able to listen to his music?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, that was the first album I
Speaker 1: ever owned. I got it from Santa Claus when I
Speaker 1: was five years old. ABC. I grew up watching his
Speaker 1: TV show. I you know all that music was. It
Speaker 1: was important to me and it definitely changed the way
Speaker 1: I felt about him. And but I can still listen
Speaker 1: to the music from when he was a kid because
Speaker 1: I feel like he was who he was then. He
Speaker 1: wasn't who he became. But for the most part, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't really think of anybody that's just been a
Speaker 1: douche bag, you know what I mean? What I did
Speaker 1: watch the documentary. You have an appearance in it like
Speaker 1: that real you were artist? You're right, But what was
Speaker 1: it like for you? It was whatever I can tell
Speaker 1: you it was worse than that. Whatever you can envision.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely awful. And it makes me sad because
Speaker 1: the first, the very first one, obviously I wasn't at
Speaker 1: The second one was, I mean, euphoric. It was such
Speaker 1: a beautiful celebration of the first one. The next one
Speaker 1: was what was wrong. It was everything with what was
Speaker 1: wrong with what the music business was becoming, which was money, money, money, money,
Speaker 1: and it was degrading to women. It was a demonstration
Speaker 1: of the worst of what's in us, with people throwing
Speaker 1: feces and throwing pennies and water bottles. It was just
Speaker 1: a bizarre experience. And even the bill wasn't It was not.
Speaker 1: It was not a bill that was sensitive to people
Speaker 1: coming together and being a part of something cool and peaceful,
Speaker 1: which is what Woodstock is emblematic is pretty was pretty angry.
Speaker 1: It was like Andy Dick and then Cheryl Crow and
Speaker 1: then the insane clown posse, and it was just like,
Speaker 1: what is happening here? I didn't even finish my set.
Speaker 1: I mean, at which point Pecs landed on my my
Speaker 1: base neck. I was like, yeah, you know what, I
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, I was I just walked up to
Speaker 1: the mic, and I was like, I'm done. What is
Speaker 1: fame like when you first get just true freaking fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you walk into a restaurant and they have a table,
Speaker 1: or when you um when you never have to pay
Speaker 1: for anything that's always been a weird thing, like they're
Speaker 1: gonna send me clothes why? I mean, I'm happy with
Speaker 1: the stuff I bought it the you know second hand place. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a It does a number on you, for sure,
Speaker 1: And the number it did form did on me was
Speaker 1: this is this is amazing. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: deserve it. So you start questioning yourself. But then the
Speaker 1: other part of it is when you stop getting invited
Speaker 1: or let's just say, in the in the instances where
Speaker 1: you're not the most popular person in the red carpet,
Speaker 1: you start feeling and scare. It's like you get this bright,
Speaker 1: shiny code of paint and then suddenly they're little cracks
Speaker 1: in the veneer, like, well, how do I smooth the
Speaker 1: crack out? So I'm still I'm still the most popular
Speaker 1: and it really totally doesn't number on you. And then
Speaker 1: you start thinking about, Okay, what what do I have
Speaker 1: to write to get to stay in the top ten
Speaker 1: to keep eatting played at radio, and that's no good either.
Speaker 1: You're saying it changes your direction creatively from what do
Speaker 1: I have to say too. There's a difference of what
Speaker 1: do I have to write people will like, not because
Speaker 1: I'm saying it and feeling it, but because I know
Speaker 1: I'm trying to chase what they like. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: there is that moment where you're about to turn forty
Speaker 1: and you're still popular, but um, everything on the radio
Speaker 1: is Britney Spears and Christian Aguilera and their seventeen and
Speaker 1: they're wearing schoolgirl outfits and you're about to be forty,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't remember because forty doesn't get played at radio.
Speaker 1: It's just a weird thing, you know, there's not anything
Speaker 1: realistic about it. And I do wonder what girls today
Speaker 1: that seemed to be like navigating their own They they're
Speaker 1: in control of their social media. They project their images,
Speaker 1: and the images sometimes they're sexual, or most of the
Speaker 1: time or sexual, and that as long as they're in
Speaker 1: control of that, Like how much of it are they
Speaker 1: able to Because I don't read even a sentence about myself.
Speaker 1: I don't read anything because I'm too sensitive, Like how
Speaker 1: do girls now, especially when you're bringing looks into it,
Speaker 1: embody image and all that. How do they not? How
Speaker 1: is it not demoralizing? Because fame to me was already
Speaker 1: like Okay, I'm a really private person and I'm a
Speaker 1: really nice person. So and everything I'm reading about myself
Speaker 1: is okay, I got my haircut, now I look like
Speaker 1: a soccer moment and just like me and stuff. How
Speaker 1: does anybody navigate it? I don't. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: did a number on me for sure. At number two
Speaker 1: from episode three fifty is Gavin DeGraw. This was a
Speaker 1: really emotional episode, and I left in all of the
Speaker 1: silence that Gavin gave us during the moments where he
Speaker 1: got emotional because talking about this album that he did,
Speaker 1: about his parents and had to talk about them passing away.
Speaker 1: So a lot of emotional moments throughout this entire episode.
Speaker 1: And in addition to being such a great vocalist and songwriter,
Speaker 1: he is a great storyteller, so they's made for an
Speaker 1: excellent episode. This is Gavin DeGraw talking about wanting to
Speaker 1: finish his new album before his dad passed and the
Speaker 1: moment he got to listen to it and his dad's
Speaker 1: reaction to the very first song on this album. So
Speaker 1: here is Gavin DeGraw that the new record is really
Speaker 1: freaking good. Until I told you before we even came
Speaker 1: in here that it's like, this is music that I
Speaker 1: listened to when I just get to listen to music.
Speaker 1: M and you know, that's how how deep this record hit.
Speaker 1: And that's even before I knew the reason you wrote,
Speaker 1: recorded and put the record out when you did. And
Speaker 1: so I want to start there and and you and
Speaker 1: I rarely want to play a song from the front
Speaker 1: of the record because then I feel like people go, well,
Speaker 1: that's just the first song. So but Face the River
Speaker 1: and you know that's the first track. I believe you
Speaker 1: sent it to me on what was this service? SoundCloud?
Speaker 1: I believe this sound to me a SoundCloud the record.
Speaker 1: And so I'm just like car my wife, I'm just
Speaker 1: hitting and face whatever comes on. I'm like, god, damg
Speaker 1: if every song is like this and it was just
Speaker 1: one after the other. And Mike, if you play some
Speaker 1: Face the River before me track one, please to face
Speaker 1: kid wate thing about their I pictured my my, my,
Speaker 1: my mother had already passed, my dad was already diagnosed
Speaker 1: um with glib beast Alma. I visualized my father looking
Speaker 1: across the river at my mother having to face that
Speaker 1: particular point in his in his life. Tough, but but
Speaker 1: I think that it's materialized. I didn't want to shy
Speaker 1: away from I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't shy away
Speaker 1: from it because at the time in my life that
Speaker 1: I was writing it, watching you're experiencing these things with
Speaker 1: with these people, um, watching them go through the stage
Speaker 1: of their life that we all know is coming at
Speaker 1: some point. Um. We all we all have some shared destiny.
Speaker 1: And uh um, I couldn't ignore. I couldn't ignore what
Speaker 1: I was seeing and just go off in my corner
Speaker 1: and pretend like there was another world that I could
Speaker 1: focus on that it was happening right in front of me.
Speaker 1: You know, even if it's a car crash, um, you
Speaker 1: know it's uh you have to you have to see it.
Speaker 1: And uh, I know what it is, and you know
Speaker 1: you're hoping that the results aren't going to be as
Speaker 1: bad as they are, but you know, it's a car crash,
Speaker 1: um and uh I had to document it. I had
Speaker 1: to document how how I felt and what I thought
Speaker 1: maybe he felt. Uh. You know, it's art. Man. It
Speaker 1: it's not product, it's it's art. And and it should reflect,
Speaker 1: it should reflect a real moment and time and and
Speaker 1: uh and it's it's called a record, man, you know,
Speaker 1: a record, A record, a documents, something permanent. We should
Speaker 1: make a record of where we're at and have that
Speaker 1: be so it's known. This is what it was, this
Speaker 1: is what happened, you know, just the way you look
Speaker 1: at any piece of history. Um. And then that's what
Speaker 1: it is. You put it his track one. It's such
Speaker 1: a powerful song. And obviously it's the name of the record.
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes the record is named after the track.
Speaker 1: You know, there's never just a layout of what the
Speaker 1: order is supposed to be meaning. So that is, if
Speaker 1: not the most, one of the most powerful songs on
Speaker 1: the record, and it just you turn you play the
Speaker 1: record for a song boom punch right in the gut,
Speaker 1: a beautiful punch in the guy. I mean in a
Speaker 1: way of like you emotionally are are stung by it.
Speaker 1: Usually that didn't happen on track one. Want you you
Speaker 1: went forward immediately? Was there any sort of symbolism there
Speaker 1: with that? Um? Well, I think the main thing was
Speaker 1: this is a different kind of record, and that was
Speaker 1: the that was the big thing. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: just letting the audience know that this is different, it's
Speaker 1: very different. Um uh, and more preparing them for everything else.
Speaker 1: You know, boy, you did I mean that? And to
Speaker 1: also hear that story because this record not only important
Speaker 1: because it's music, it's art that you're putting into the world.
Speaker 1: But and I know you and I talked about this
Speaker 1: in a in a different place, but you wanted to
Speaker 1: make this, write this record, record this record and have
Speaker 1: it ready, um, for your dad before he passed away.
Speaker 1: Did you have any sort of idea like how fast
Speaker 1: you needed to actually get this done? No, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know it was you know, I knew it was bad. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know there's no there's not ever an exact
Speaker 1: time as you know, um, but it's a limited time.
Speaker 1: And was there a rush on you? Did you feel
Speaker 1: like I gotta work fast? I don't. I just I
Speaker 1: that's a that's a it's a timeline that you've gotta follow,
Speaker 1: but you don't actually know words correct, correct exactly. There's
Speaker 1: no exact deadline that you're aware of, right, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks earlier he's in the hospital, he says
Speaker 1: to me. It was hard for him to talk because
Speaker 1: the where the tumor was, and he was saying to
Speaker 1: me a bit like marble mouth is how he was
Speaker 1: trying to having to communicate. Unfortunately, um hm, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to hear the music. You know,
Speaker 1: aren't you playing me the music? I said, it's not
Speaker 1: done yet, Dad. I want you to hear it, like I.
Speaker 1: Aren't you hear one it's right. It's really important to
Speaker 1: hear when it's right. You gotta hear one it's right.
Speaker 1: I'm like really uptight about, you know, my job, and um,
Speaker 1: come on, blame me something, blame me something. I'm in
Speaker 1: the hospital with my sister and uh and uh, I said,
Speaker 1: let me okay, okay, let me let me see, let
Speaker 1: me see, let me see you. I reach out to
Speaker 1: Dave Cobb, I say, and my dad's in the hospital.
Speaker 1: He's really really begging me for these songs. Is there
Speaker 1: anyway just to send me a mix of just just
Speaker 1: a couple of songs. I love for him to hear
Speaker 1: a couple of songs, just a couple of songs that
Speaker 1: really help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah sure. So a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes later, he sends me three songs. Sends me
Speaker 1: Face the River and Destiny and uh Summertime and uh
Speaker 1: and uh. Um. So your dad starts crying when he
Speaker 1: hears the first high note of of the chorus of
Speaker 1: Face the River. He's really feel on it right away,
Speaker 1: you know, um, really reacting. And I played the songs,
Speaker 1: the three that I had, and he says, I wish
Speaker 1: your mother could heard these. I wish you could hear
Speaker 1: this right now, this record. And I says she wrote
Speaker 1: the record, that she wrote the record. He says she did.
Speaker 1: She did write the record. So we's go by. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to finish the album because I know the state
Speaker 1: is not good. Um. Album is done. I take it
Speaker 1: to him immediately. I said, dadd you want to hear
Speaker 1: the album, the whole album now. He said yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I put headphones on, turn it up so I
Speaker 1: could hear where it's at, you know, loud enough. He
Speaker 1: likes it loud anyway, And we go straight through the record,
Speaker 1: top of bottom, and he's so moved and mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I said, you want to hear it again? Played for
Speaker 1: me again. Later, let's do it later. I said, good, okay,
Speaker 1: But my brother and I we hop in the car,
Speaker 1: we take a drive. A half hour later, half hour
Speaker 1: after I finished playing that record, phone rings and my
Speaker 1: dad's having an emergency. They need to take him to
Speaker 1: the hospital immediately. There was some kind of complication and
Speaker 1: so he's taking the hospital and put on heavy drugs
Speaker 1: and you know, for the next day and a half. Um,
Speaker 1: he's just on heavy drugs for that you know, that
Speaker 1: slow boat ride out you know. Um. So however, the
Speaker 1: timing worked out, without exaggeration, got to play him the
Speaker 1: whole record in the nick of time, and um, and it's, uh,
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of closure I get. Um is
Speaker 1: that is that I got to give him that that
Speaker 1: experience and say, you know this is you know your
Speaker 1: dedication you know. So Um, very hard. But but damn
Speaker 1: I hate crying. I mean I appreciate the vulnerability. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could tell the love that you have for your
Speaker 1: mom and your dad. You can also tell when you
Speaker 1: listen to this record. I mean, even if you didn't
Speaker 1: know why, that's just someone just came across this record
Speaker 1: on playlist, not even individual songs. May you may like
Speaker 1: Gavin de Girl Faced the River, I think you would
Speaker 1: listen to this and go, well, something's got him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like something, because it just feels different. It feels like
Speaker 1: there's there's Yeah, it feels like there is. It feels
Speaker 1: very deliberate in the in the most beautiful way. And
Speaker 1: at number one from episode three hundred and sixty four
Speaker 1: is Ronnie Dunn of Brooks and Dunne. Not only does
Speaker 1: Ronnie have a great singing voice, I also just love
Speaker 1: his speaking voice. He could be talking about his grocery
Speaker 1: list and I would find myself just being sucked into
Speaker 1: every single word that leaves his mouth. So in every essence,
Speaker 1: this entire interview was just fun to listen to. But
Speaker 1: he shared stories that I had no idea about, stories
Speaker 1: that you can't find online anywhere. One of those happened
Speaker 1: to be the time he lived in Johnny Cash's cabin,
Speaker 1: and that's where you're gonna hear in this clip also
Speaker 1: about the origin story of Brooks and Dunn and getting
Speaker 1: the call out of the blue to move to Nashville.
Speaker 1: So the number one Bobby cast of Ronnie Dunn of
Speaker 1: Brooks and Dunn. Scott Hendricks took the type to Tim Dubois,
Speaker 1: who was starting her to records at the time. And
Speaker 1: just trying to fill in a balanced roster. And uh,
Speaker 1: Clive Davis was was behind it. Of course that never
Speaker 1: hurts uh at a time in the business when it
Speaker 1: was not a great, great time to to start a label.
Speaker 1: But tell Clive Davis that. Right. So Tim comes out
Speaker 1: and here and here's me in in Tulsa because he's
Speaker 1: from Grove, Oklahoma. Here's this play and he goes, Okay,
Speaker 1: after we get through, he texting back and he goes, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this. He says, hold tide for me.
Speaker 1: He says, just like I'm going somewhere, right, Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I got the other side of the fence to Wheatie. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he says, I'm I'm putting the record labor together
Speaker 1: all Alan Jackson and Pam tell Us diamond Rio And
Speaker 1: he said, I'm I'm up to something here. She says,
Speaker 1: if you're just just have a little faith in patience
Speaker 1: in me, I'm will go there. So you know, a
Speaker 1: year later, I didn't heard anything from him. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: a lot of patience. Yeah, well, where else do you go?
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice. Yeah, uh as sure enough,
Speaker 1: I Uh, Janine comes down one day and tells me
Speaker 1: to put the weed either down and come up to
Speaker 1: the house get on the phone, and she says, I
Speaker 1: called him to boyd and see what's going on because
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm sure I wouldn't do that, you know,
Speaker 1: And she's not. I called him and he goes, mr.
Speaker 1: He said, this is unreal. Said, I'm sitting here with
Speaker 1: my rollo decks right now looking for your number. And
Speaker 1: I went, no, you're not, and he goes, yes I am,
Speaker 1: because I want to cut boots, goot boogie. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: the flash me with me. He goes with a Sleep
Speaker 1: at the Wheel. So I just signed myself, okay, great,
Speaker 1: you know, knock it out, and he said, come down
Speaker 1: to Nashville. He says, I'm gonna, you know, talk to
Speaker 1: you when we get through and listen to the record.
Speaker 1: So what with? Janine and I got in this car
Speaker 1: and drove to Nashville, and uh it was. He played
Speaker 1: it for us and it's Sleep at the Wheel did
Speaker 1: of course as a swing song, bomp bomb and I
Speaker 1: thought it, I thought, and we both just went Jennie
Speaker 1: and I were like, oh, it's not gonna work. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fly and uh so they ran through their cycle
Speaker 1: there and then uh, finally Tim said, okay, it's time
Speaker 1: to move here. You know this is your your layters,
Speaker 1: you're after that, he said, time to move here, he said,
Speaker 1: and I'll get you. I'll get you hooked up as
Speaker 1: a as a writer at one of the publishing companies.
Speaker 1: And uh, he just called out all the blue. One
Speaker 1: day after June Carter had already called. Janina said, uh,
Speaker 1: she called her witter witter patch that was that was
Speaker 1: your name is married name. Uh, she's a wider. Uh
Speaker 1: would you mind even Ronnie maybe staying at having written
Speaker 1: one of the cabins up on the mountain, which was
Speaker 1: outside town in Gillittsville. And uh, Janina started crying. She
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, yes please, I'll be close
Speaker 1: to June as a friend of hers and all this.
Speaker 1: So we did, uh I uh, Tim put kicks and
Speaker 1: now together to write with another another writer in town.
Speaker 1: Don cook, don't don't jump ahead. Hold on, Okay, did
Speaker 1: you ever go meet Johnny Cash? She drove, Yes, she
Speaker 1: brought me into to meet him. Where to his house
Speaker 1: in Hendersonville. Are you nervous? Yeah, I'm scared of death.
Speaker 1: I don't want to meet them and I know they're thinking, hey,
Speaker 1: you know she's bringing you know, I want to be
Speaker 1: singer into my house, just just like what I would
Speaker 1: do with one of my daughters, just like ah please right.
Speaker 1: Uh So June takes her out, and you know, just uh,
Speaker 1: John had just given June a blue on blue rolls
Speaker 1: Royce for her birthday. You know. So we rolled up
Speaker 1: to their house and all this austentatious stuff is outside,
Speaker 1: and uh go in nervous, more nervous as you walk closer. Okay,
Speaker 1: it gets worse. So the girls after after day one,
Speaker 1: you know, we all stopped and eat all this stuff.
Speaker 1: John's real quiet, He's quite at first, you know, and
Speaker 1: he says, she's intimidating anyway, right, And then under those circumstances,
Speaker 1: I'm going, you know, I don't I don't wanna, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanna be here like this. So the next day,
Speaker 1: June and Janine go shopping and leave me and John
Speaker 1: alone at the house. Well, there were two big black
Speaker 1: recliners in front of the TV like on at wall,
Speaker 1: and uh, he's sitting there watching CNN and I just
Speaker 1: sat down with a cover of coffee and I sat there,
Speaker 1: I said, uh, something going on in the news, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I always watch it, always watching. He says,
Speaker 1: I'm an addict. And he says, I'll watch the TV
Speaker 1: until the loop changes. He says, you know that the
Speaker 1: CNN and all that stuff around loops and I'm like no,
Speaker 1: and uh, he goes, I just watched it two loops whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. That was kind of the only thing I remember.
Speaker 1: It just kind of didn't say much. He's like, you
Speaker 1: want to go fishing? What are you doing? You want
Speaker 1: to be in music? Nothing like that. So Janine gets
Speaker 1: back and she's kind of pale. She's kind of like down,
Speaker 1: and that's not like her because she's a chatter. And uh,
Speaker 1: finally we went back to the to the bedroom and
Speaker 1: she she said, how did it go? And she goes, well,
Speaker 1: June just gave she read of me the right act.
Speaker 1: You know. She goes, look, you know, because Rodney and
Speaker 1: Roseanne had been been married, and the girls, Carline and
Speaker 1: all of them, and Junior had her struggles with John too,
Speaker 1: and she said, uh, it's it's it's not a it's
Speaker 1: not a pretty business. She goes, you know, these these boys,
Speaker 1: she they're gonna act up on you, you know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get out there and theoretically do whatever. And she says,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not it's not a good life.
Speaker 1: Even if he does make it. She said, the chances are,
Speaker 1: you know, one in a hundred million that they, even
Speaker 1: if they make it, will they last. She's just you don't,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't want that life. You don't have
Speaker 1: to have that life. So Janice said, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: that's just kind of bummed me out. And I said, well, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's go. But we didn't. We stayed and and
Speaker 1: and had had had a good time. But that was
Speaker 1: just kind of what we were left with there. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, June was kind enough, uh to
Speaker 1: to do whatever they could to help, and they did.
Speaker 1: And half the time, more than half the time, I
Speaker 1: would go to go up to take the rent or
Speaker 1: play the rent six hundred bucks or something like that.
Speaker 1: This house looked like something did Johnny's house. He would
Speaker 1: take the rent to Johnny Casch's house. Yeah, and just
Speaker 1: drop it away. They had like a hole for the thing.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't take it. No, Junie, I'd like June number
Speaker 1: run over and and leave the rent. And she goes honey,
Speaker 1: don't do that. She said, don't do that. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1: There's no need for you to do that. Weren't worried
Speaker 1: about that, uh anyway, so that they wouldn't take it.
Speaker 1: Did they ever take your rent? No? How long did
Speaker 1: you live there? Uh? Year and a half? Two years? No?
Speaker 1: Two years? Did did you ever get closer to Johnny? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah? No. No. Johnny would come up. There
Speaker 1: was another it's a little enclay with cabins and a
Speaker 1: good list on the top of the hill that uh
Speaker 1: they had built real cool and uh. He would come
Speaker 1: up and stay and spend the weekends and stuff sometimes
Speaker 1: up there just to be alone. And he'd stop at
Speaker 1: the house and uh and I told him, right, okay,
Speaker 1: I get a record deal with their stuff as a
Speaker 1: solo artist as well. I'm thinking as a solo artist.
Speaker 1: And I'm still writing and and Tim says, uh, one
Speaker 1: day he goes come over here. He says, we're gonna
Speaker 1: spend the day and I'm gonna take you to every
Speaker 1: publishing company in town. And I had written, like she
Speaker 1: said to Neon moon Boots could hard working man. She's
Speaker 1: be alling that kind of stuff. Uh. No, one actually
Speaker 1: super excited, and he goes, but I'm I'm waiting to
Speaker 1: take you to to Sony a TV for to Donna
Speaker 1: Hilly and he said that that's where I want you.
Speaker 1: He said, that's that's in his period, but the best
Speaker 1: place in town. So, uh sure enough, she calls one
Speaker 1: day and says, hey, I'm gonna give you a deal.
Speaker 1: She said, then I've been how does like you know
Speaker 1: a month sound? And I was like, I'll take it now.
Speaker 1: And uh so I was set up as a writer
Speaker 1: in in in a great spot and uh Tim put
Speaker 1: me and Tim Kicks together and I'm thinking, but you've
Speaker 1: heard this story, but a lot of people have, but uh,
Speaker 1: Kicks just thinking, well, he's writing songs with me for
Speaker 1: my solo deal. Unbeh honest to me, he had been
Speaker 1: working on another duo deal at Aras for him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: him and someone else, Yes, Tim, Tim Nichols's who the
Speaker 1: first one was. And I heard that had I not
Speaker 1: worked out, it was gonna be Leroy Pardell. That's funny,
Speaker 1: how about it? They were shopping Kicks to a lot
Speaker 1: of really good It was like, Kicks, you're half of
Speaker 1: something great. You're gonna be Yeah, You're gonna be buddy.
Speaker 1: You know you want to be in a duo. Uh,
Speaker 1: it sounds like three duos all you know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You have to ask Kicks. I don't know, but he'll
Speaker 1: he'll tell the same story. He said. Man, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, he was writing for me and I'm writing
Speaker 1: for him. So, Uh, Tim comes in one day and
Speaker 1: he has everything in his office lined up and uh
Speaker 1: plays plays all of our music together, you know, and
Speaker 1: he goes I think. I think with the first song
Speaker 1: that with that we had written together was a brand
Speaker 1: new man. Uh, and working on my next broken Heart?
Speaker 1: And uh what else? You wrote that in a day
Speaker 1: or in a week, like a couple of days together?
Speaker 1: But you stay together, right for a couple of days. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd never co written before, so I didn't know, you know,
Speaker 1: what the protocol was. And uh we did that, put
Speaker 1: the records together and did you know, some work on
Speaker 1: them individually ourselves. Was there a creative chemistry that you
Speaker 1: felt then or was it did you just sound good
Speaker 1: or did you compliment each other in a way that
Speaker 1: you hadn't before? Just it felt good. I liked I
Speaker 1: liked what he had brought to the table. It was
Speaker 1: lost and Found in a couple of songs that were
Speaker 1: like almost Eagles progressive, and I liked that that kind
Speaker 1: of I was really, you know, in my creative zen place,
Speaker 1: thinking if we were gonna market ourselves as kind of
Speaker 1: a southwestern east west of the Mississippi, you know, desert
Speaker 1: kind of, then that's southwest deal? Did you guys, and
Speaker 1: let's we'll just smash forward just a little bit. But
Speaker 1: did you guys ever have other names for the group?
Speaker 1: That for Brooks and Done? Yeah, we sit for a day.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be the Coyote Brothers, you know, the
Speaker 1: Cactus Brothers. We don't know. We sat and filled up
Speaker 1: a notebooks and finally it just you know, I left
Speaker 1: town and came back for after a weekend. Everybody said,
Speaker 1: let's just call it Brooks and Done. Yeah. They were
Speaker 1: just exhausted of all that that desert references. So nothing
Speaker 1: felt right. You know, I don't know, how does it?
Speaker 1: Because you're both singers, and I've been to more than
Speaker 1: a few shows that you guys and kick sings awesome.
Speaker 1: It's too awesome too. And he has he has I
Speaker 1: mean he kicks has. Yes, How how was that his names? First?
Speaker 1: And then you get to sing more songs, or like,
Speaker 1: how does that when you're both good? Here's the name,
Speaker 1: Here's how the name thing worked out, and people go
Speaker 1: how that happened? It's like his brother in law owned
Speaker 1: a big ad company up in Maine. We wanted to
Speaker 1: logo back, so we kind of laid out the basics
Speaker 1: and who came back with the you know the Brooks
Speaker 1: have done because it laid out graphically better. Uh, they're stylist.
Speaker 1: Could be done in Brooks, but Brooks have done. You know,
Speaker 1: by now it just seems natural. You know, the Beatles, right,
Speaker 1: what a freaking name? Really? Who would you call yourself? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It sounds successful, you are normal. The name gets yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: when did it get the most absurd to you with?
Speaker 1: And again, but you guys are also in their thirties
Speaker 1: right when it started. I wonder if that helped it
Speaker 1: all with a little bit of the absurdity of how
Speaker 1: crazy it got it did it did and a lot
Speaker 1: of the challenges we would have had. You know, you
Speaker 1: kind of helps you like fight through the kind of
Speaker 1: the unspoken ego tension that goes along with with anything
Speaker 1: you're trying to establish. Your turf is you know, are
Speaker 1: you going to be the you know, the lead singer
Speaker 1: or am I going to be the lead singer? Hey,
Speaker 1: we're good to throw it together. We we always have.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of and I think being older helped
Speaker 1: help deal with that. When you're doing these shows and
Speaker 1: they're selling out and you guys are crossing over even
Speaker 1: a bit into not just country music. We got so big,
Speaker 1: like at its most absurd time, do you can you
Speaker 1: look back and appreciate it or was it all such
Speaker 1: a blur? No? We can look back and appreciate it,
Speaker 1: you know. No, No, you you appreciate what you have.
Speaker 1: And and just just from seeing I mean other acts
Speaker 1: come along, you know, countless acts come along. It's like,
Speaker 1: here's the hottest thing in town, here's these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be monsters and all that stuff, and just like
Speaker 1: boom boom gone. It's like, why are we not boom
Speaker 1: boom gone? I don't know, that's unspoken. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: ever have what they call, um mike, what is it
Speaker 1: called the imposter syndrome? Where you felt like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're not as good as some of these guys, yet
Speaker 1: we continue to climb places that they're not like we
Speaker 1: don't really deserve to be here? Do you feel like that? Yeah? Sincerely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why do you think that? What do you think the
Speaker 1: element was about? You two? What do you think it was?
Speaker 1: I don't thought that. We thought about a billion times.
Speaker 1: That's like me, we you mean kicks. I mean we've
Speaker 1: talked about it. I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I do. Sometimes I said, I'll
Speaker 1: lay in bed by myself and just go it's just
Speaker 1: I mean, was it because we were involved with Clive
Speaker 1: Davis and Tim. I've asked him Dubo, I said, what
Speaker 1: what made this thing work? And he goes, Mr, I
Speaker 1: don't have a clue. What about the songs? Right? Do
Speaker 1: you ever just fall back and go, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: just could be the songs. Well they say it starts there,
Speaker 1: so it could be just what those songs were, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's obviously other things that go into the stew.
Speaker 1: But if the songs are your meat, that's the foundation
Speaker 1: of it all. That's that's a bar on, That's that's
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