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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Top ten Bobby Cast of two.

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Speaker 1: My name is Mike d and on part two I

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Speaker 1: will be taking you through the top five Bobby cast

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Speaker 1: of the year. If you miss part one, just go

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Speaker 1: back in the feed and listen to what made it

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Speaker 1: into numbers ten through six. But this is the best

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Speaker 1: of the best of the year. These were are most downloaded,

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Speaker 1: are most interacted with, and the episodes that we encourage

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Speaker 1: you if you missed them in their entirety, to go

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Speaker 1: back in the feed and listen to these entire hour

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Speaker 1: long interviews. So let's kick it off with number five

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Speaker 1: from episode three sixty eight. It is Rita Wilson. A

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Speaker 1: little behind the scenes. This one probably took a year

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Speaker 1: to book because Rita Wilson is rarely in Nashville. But

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Speaker 1: I knew if we could make it happen, it would

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Speaker 1: make for a great episode, and that proved to be true.

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Speaker 1: I think Rita ended up crying twice in this entire interview,

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Speaker 1: and this is just a small portion of that. So

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Speaker 1: I highly encourage you to go back and listen to

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Speaker 1: episode three six eight. Here is Rita Wilson talking about

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Speaker 1: being a first generation of American and her parents heroic

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Speaker 1: because I'm curious about your roots and even what it

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Speaker 1: was like growing up, Like how people turn out the

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Speaker 1: way they are. What was your house, like, it's seven

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Speaker 1: years old, who's there? Where do you live? That is

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Speaker 1: such a great question. Well, I'm a first generation American.

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Speaker 1: My mom was Greek and my dad was Bulgarian, and

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Speaker 1: they both had to escape their various countries because during

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Speaker 1: to eventually restore her American passport because she was born

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Speaker 1: to do that. She was a nineteen when she left

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Speaker 1: Did you ever talk to her about that, Like what

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Speaker 1: was going through her mind when she made that decision where,

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Speaker 1: because that's a hard decision, even if you know you

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Speaker 1: now I have to go. Well, the harder decision was

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Speaker 1: that her parents, sorry, her mother was there because her

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Speaker 1: and then there would be no suspicion arouse, like cover exactly.

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Speaker 1: And then my dad, he um was born in Grease

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Speaker 1: it's it's who I am. It's exactly who I am,

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Speaker 1: But he wanted it's so sad. But he met a woman,

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Speaker 1: His name was Emil. I didn't know this at all.

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Speaker 1: And all of this came out. My dad never told

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Speaker 1: I was keenly aware of how lucky my parents felt

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Speaker 1: have been shot and killed. I would have killed him, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I did say, you know what, having a little puff

430
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: every now and then, if marijuana helps me, it's medicine

431
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: to me. And uh so I kind of allowed myself

432
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, if you get rid of these two

433
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: devil alcohol in the cocaine, you can keep a little

434
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: bit of the marijuana because that's kind of your medicine.

435
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: And um, and you never look back at. Number three

436
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: from episode three forty two is Cheryl Crowe. I rarely

437
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: get star struck, but it was so cool having Cheryl

438
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: Crow in to do an episode of The Bobby Cast.

439
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: So this is probably the closest I've been to star

440
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: struck in a very long time. And I had just

441
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: watched her documentary on Showtime and I truly believe she

442
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: is a living legend. So how cool to have Cheryl

443
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: crow just pull up on her own over to Bobby's

444
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: house and sit down to do an interview. So this

445
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: is number three Cheryl Crow talking about the songs she

446
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: doesn't like to perform anymore, working with Michael Jackson, and

447
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: what it's like to be famous, and when it comes

448
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: to those songs. You know, when you walked in, we're

449
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: talking for a second, and you were you to tell

450
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: him something of which is that segment we do? And

451
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, full transparency here. I do that segment so

452
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: many times, and I'm glad it has been a big

453
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: part of our show in the six But I do

454
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: it all the time, and I've done it all the

455
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: time for years and years. You start to go, man,

456
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: I know people love it. I don't gotta keep doing it.

457
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: Do you feel that way about some of those songs? Okay,

458
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was listening to you guys this morning.

459
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: I was like, your show is always so good and

460
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: fun and funny has emotionalized. I mean, it's just a

461
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: really great show. And I sat there though, I wonder

462
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: if he ever just gets sick of doing that show,

463
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and also being being present

464
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: because it's hard work, man, Like, there's some nights where

465
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: I walk it on stage and I have to like

466
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: fake it until I make it, And generally those are

467
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: the best shows. But there was a period where if

468
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: I thought I had to play all I want to

469
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: do one more time, I would just run straight out

470
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: in front of a backdrop. And it took it took

471
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: my I mean part of it is. It took my

472
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: getting sick to really realize. I mean that song took

473
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: me all over all over the Middle East. I mean

474
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: we went to Israel, we went to we went to

475
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: Tokyo to Kuile I'm poor, and we went all over South.

476
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: The people who couldn't speak English sang every word of

477
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: that wordy song. And I had I just embraced a

478
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: full on gratitude and I enjoy playing it now. But

479
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: there were a few years and there I was just like, ah, God,

480
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm sticking this song. You know, I hate this song.

481
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: I hate this song. Um but I love it. You know.

482
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I think part of what happens is you get older,

483
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: you get really you know, you get sentimental, and you

484
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: get really grateful, and you get really boring. And I

485
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: love being boring. Now. It's cool to reappreciate it is

486
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: it is because I've started to find myself reappreciating not

487
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: just professional things but also personal things. And so it's

488
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: cool that you have because I I live it, and

489
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: one day I'm gonna like do and tell me something

490
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: good again. One day I'm gonna and I don't. You

491
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: can't tell that you don't like it, though, I mean,

492
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: I will say that it's not even that I don't

493
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: like it. It's that as you do. It's just we

494
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: do it four four times a day, five days a week,

495
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: twenty times, and individually all the stories are great, but

496
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: it's like, man, twenty times again this week you hate now? No, No,

497
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't rufus cold cold with me and we go

498
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: places and what's funny. Sometimes I'll go into a place,

499
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: if it's a bar or a restaurant. I'm gonna bars

500
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: as much anymore, but they'll play that song over the

501
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: top like once they see I'm there, and like that's

502
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: so been associated with I'll just bet or a basketball

503
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: game and you're here then and I'll look at me

504
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: like and you'll see the guy running pointing at me,

505
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: like all right, buddy, So did you ever did you

506
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: talk about Stevi Knicks? Did you ever have a relationship

507
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: with her, did you guys, Oh my gosh, Like that

508
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: had to be the coolest thing. I have so many

509
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: weird experiences um with people like that. Okay, So I like,

510
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: if you dig back through the anals of my um

511
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: my school pictures, I had the Stevie Nicks hair do.

512
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: I met her at my first Grammys. I met her

513
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: at an after party and I have a picture with

514
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: her and Anita Pointer and Bonnie Wright and Carly Simon

515
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: and me, and I was the newbie, and She's like,

516
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: I love you. Would you I'm getting ready to do

517
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: some songs for Practical Magic that that movie. Would you

518
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: produce it? And I was like yeah. And she came

519
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: to New York and and she had her posse, you know,

520
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: some bunch of women, and and I produced her and

521
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: it was just it was unbelievable. I can remember looking

522
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: at her out in the recording booth and she looked

523
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: like a fourteen year old. I mean literally, she looked

524
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: like she had aged a day. She looked exactly as

525
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: I remembered her. And she just was like so embracing

526
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: and so general. It's told stories like I imagine that

527
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: we probably talked and hung out for two hours and

528
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: then she'd sing, and then we'd hang out and talk

529
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, and then she'd sing and

530
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: it was but it was so glorious. And then she said,

531
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: will you produce the record? And I went up producing

532
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: and going on the road with her, and she's just

533
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: been like very god mom to me. And I don't

534
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: want you to say any names here, but I have

535
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: had experiences where I really was I loved people, got

536
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: to know them, not that goalience people that I would

537
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: and I now I don't really idolize except for like

538
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: hearts yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So but there

539
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: have been times where that's happened and I'm like, why,

540
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: I cannot believe I could just spend time we're gonna

541
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: do And then you're like, oh man, I kind of

542
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: wish I wouldn't have, because it's ruined what I cherished,

543
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: which was these beliefs. Yeah, I'm with how massive you got.

544
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: I had to assume that happened to some. I will

545
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: say I've been really lucky. Almost everybody I've met has

546
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: been beyond beyond my wildest dreams. Um, I got a

547
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: few people and introduce you to then yeah, I bet

548
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: you did a few relatives. Interestingly, I worked with Michael

549
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: Jackson before I hit it big. I was a backup singer,

550
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: went on the road with him for eighteen months, and

551
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: there were some things on that tour. I was just like,

552
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. And then later on the documentary

553
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: came out, and um, I mean he was. He was

554
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: already eccentric on that tour. But people asked me all

555
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: the time, are you able to listen to his music?

556
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, that was the first album I

557
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: ever owned. I got it from Santa Claus when I

558
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: was five years old. ABC. I grew up watching his

559
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: TV show. I you know all that music was. It

560
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: was important to me and it definitely changed the way

561
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: I felt about him. And but I can still listen

562
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: to the music from when he was a kid because

563
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: I feel like he was who he was then. He

564
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 1: wasn't who he became. But for the most part, I mean,

565
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: I can't really think of anybody that's just been a

566
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: douche bag, you know what I mean? What I did

567
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: watch the documentary. You have an appearance in it like

568
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: that real you were artist? You're right, But what was

569
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: it like for you? It was whatever I can tell

570
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: you it was worse than that. Whatever you can envision.

571
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: It was absolutely awful. And it makes me sad because

572
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: the first, the very first one, obviously I wasn't at

573
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: The second one was, I mean, euphoric. It was such

574
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: a beautiful celebration of the first one. The next one

575
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: was what was wrong. It was everything with what was

576
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: wrong with what the music business was becoming, which was money, money, money, money,

577
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: and it was degrading to women. It was a demonstration

578
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: of the worst of what's in us, with people throwing

579
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: feces and throwing pennies and water bottles. It was just

580
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: a bizarre experience. And even the bill wasn't It was not.

581
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: It was not a bill that was sensitive to people

582
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: coming together and being a part of something cool and peaceful,

583
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: which is what Woodstock is emblematic is pretty was pretty angry.

584
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: It was like Andy Dick and then Cheryl Crow and

585
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: then the insane clown posse, and it was just like,

586
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: what is happening here? I didn't even finish my set.

587
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, at which point Pecs landed on my my

588
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: base neck. I was like, yeah, you know what, I

589
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, I was I just walked up to

590
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: the mic, and I was like, I'm done. What is

591
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: fame like when you first get just true freaking fame. Yeah,

592
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: when you walk into a restaurant and they have a table,

593
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: or when you um when you never have to pay

594
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: for anything that's always been a weird thing, like they're

595
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna send me clothes why? I mean, I'm happy with

596
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: the stuff I bought it the you know second hand place. Um,

597
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: it's a It does a number on you, for sure,

598
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: And the number it did form did on me was

599
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: this is this is amazing. I don't know if I

600
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: deserve it. So you start questioning yourself. But then the

601
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: other part of it is when you stop getting invited

602
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: or let's just say, in the in the instances where

603
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: you're not the most popular person in the red carpet,

604
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: you start feeling and scare. It's like you get this bright,

605
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: shiny code of paint and then suddenly they're little cracks

606
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: in the veneer, like, well, how do I smooth the

607
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: crack out? So I'm still I'm still the most popular

608
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: and it really totally doesn't number on you. And then

609
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: you start thinking about, Okay, what what do I have

610
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: to write to get to stay in the top ten

611
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: to keep eatting played at radio, and that's no good either.

612
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: You're saying it changes your direction creatively from what do

613
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I have to say too. There's a difference of what

614
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: do I have to write people will like, not because

615
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying it and feeling it, but because I know

616
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to chase what they like. Yeah, and then

617
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: there is that moment where you're about to turn forty

618
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: and you're still popular, but um, everything on the radio

619
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: is Britney Spears and Christian Aguilera and their seventeen and

620
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: they're wearing schoolgirl outfits and you're about to be forty,

621
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: and that doesn't remember because forty doesn't get played at radio.

622
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: It's just a weird thing, you know, there's not anything

623
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: realistic about it. And I do wonder what girls today

624
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: that seemed to be like navigating their own They they're

625
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: in control of their social media. They project their images,

626
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: and the images sometimes they're sexual, or most of the

627
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: time or sexual, and that as long as they're in

628
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: control of that, Like how much of it are they

629
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: able to Because I don't read even a sentence about myself.

630
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't read anything because I'm too sensitive, Like how

631
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: do girls now, especially when you're bringing looks into it,

632
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: embody image and all that. How do they not? How

633
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: is it not demoralizing? Because fame to me was already

634
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: like Okay, I'm a really private person and I'm a

635
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: really nice person. So and everything I'm reading about myself

636
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: is okay, I got my haircut, now I look like

637
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: a soccer moment and just like me and stuff. How

638
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: does anybody navigate it? I don't. I don't know. It

639
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: did a number on me for sure. At number two

640
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: from episode three fifty is Gavin DeGraw. This was a

641
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: really emotional episode, and I left in all of the

642
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: silence that Gavin gave us during the moments where he

643
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: got emotional because talking about this album that he did,

644
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: about his parents and had to talk about them passing away.

645
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: So a lot of emotional moments throughout this entire episode.

646
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: And in addition to being such a great vocalist and songwriter,

647
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: he is a great storyteller, so they's made for an

648
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: excellent episode. This is Gavin DeGraw talking about wanting to

649
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: finish his new album before his dad passed and the

650
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: moment he got to listen to it and his dad's

651
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: reaction to the very first song on this album. So

652
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: here is Gavin DeGraw that the new record is really

653
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: freaking good. Until I told you before we even came

654
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: in here that it's like, this is music that I

655
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: listened to when I just get to listen to music.

656
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: M and you know, that's how how deep this record hit.

657
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: And that's even before I knew the reason you wrote,

658
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: recorded and put the record out when you did. And

659
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: so I want to start there and and you and

660
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: I rarely want to play a song from the front

661
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: of the record because then I feel like people go, well,

662
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: that's just the first song. So but Face the River

663
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: and you know that's the first track. I believe you

664
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: sent it to me on what was this service? SoundCloud?

665
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: I believe this sound to me a SoundCloud the record.

666
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: And so I'm just like car my wife, I'm just

667
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: hitting and face whatever comes on. I'm like, god, damg

668
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: if every song is like this and it was just

669
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: one after the other. And Mike, if you play some

670
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Face the River before me track one, please to face

671
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: kid wate thing about their I pictured my my, my,

672
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: my mother had already passed, my dad was already diagnosed

673
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: um with glib beast Alma. I visualized my father looking

674
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: across the river at my mother having to face that

675
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: particular point in his in his life. Tough, but but

676
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: I think that it's materialized. I didn't want to shy

677
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: away from I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't shy away

678
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: from it because at the time in my life that

679
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: I was writing it, watching you're experiencing these things with

680
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: with these people, um, watching them go through the stage

681
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: of their life that we all know is coming at

682
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: some point. Um. We all we all have some shared destiny.

683
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: And uh um, I couldn't ignore. I couldn't ignore what

684
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: I was seeing and just go off in my corner

685
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: and pretend like there was another world that I could

686
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: focus on that it was happening right in front of me.

687
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: You know, even if it's a car crash, um, you

688
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: know it's uh you have to you have to see it.

689
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: And uh, I know what it is, and you know

690
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: you're hoping that the results aren't going to be as

691
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: bad as they are, but you know, it's a car crash,

692
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: um and uh I had to document it. I had

693
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: to document how how I felt and what I thought

694
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: maybe he felt. Uh. You know, it's art. Man. It

695
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: it's not product, it's it's art. And and it should reflect,

696
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: it should reflect a real moment and time and and

697
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: uh and it's it's called a record, man, you know,

698
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: a record, A record, a documents, something permanent. We should

699
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: make a record of where we're at and have that

700
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: be so it's known. This is what it was, this

701
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: is what happened, you know, just the way you look

702
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: at any piece of history. Um. And then that's what

703
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: it is. You put it his track one. It's such

704
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: a powerful song. And obviously it's the name of the record.

705
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes the record is named after the track.

706
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, there's never just a layout of what the

707
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: order is supposed to be meaning. So that is, if

708
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: not the most, one of the most powerful songs on

709
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: the record, and it just you turn you play the

710
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: record for a song boom punch right in the gut,

711
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: a beautiful punch in the guy. I mean in a

712
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: way of like you emotionally are are stung by it.

713
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: Usually that didn't happen on track one. Want you you

714
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: went forward immediately? Was there any sort of symbolism there

715
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: with that? Um? Well, I think the main thing was

716
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: this is a different kind of record, and that was

717
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: the that was the big thing. It was, you know,

718
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: just letting the audience know that this is different, it's

719
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: very different. Um uh, and more preparing them for everything else.

720
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, boy, you did I mean that? And to

721
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: also hear that story because this record not only important

722
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: because it's music, it's art that you're putting into the world.

723
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: But and I know you and I talked about this

724
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: in a in a different place, but you wanted to

725
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: make this, write this record, record this record and have

726
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: it ready, um, for your dad before he passed away.

727
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: Did you have any sort of idea like how fast

728
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: you needed to actually get this done? No, but I

729
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: didn't know it was you know, I knew it was bad. Um.

730
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: But you know there's no there's not ever an exact

731
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: time as you know, um, but it's a limited time.

732
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: And was there a rush on you? Did you feel

733
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: like I gotta work fast? I don't. I just I

734
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: that's a that's a it's a timeline that you've gotta follow,

735
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: but you don't actually know words correct, correct exactly. There's

736
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: no exact deadline that you're aware of, right, Um, you know,

737
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks earlier he's in the hospital, he says

738
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: to me. It was hard for him to talk because

739
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: the where the tumor was, and he was saying to

740
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: me a bit like marble mouth is how he was

741
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: trying to having to communicate. Unfortunately, um hm, he said,

742
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, I want to hear the music. You know,

743
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: aren't you playing me the music? I said, it's not

744
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: done yet, Dad. I want you to hear it, like I.

745
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: Aren't you hear one it's right. It's really important to

746
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: hear when it's right. You gotta hear one it's right.

747
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm like really uptight about, you know, my job, and um,

748
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: come on, blame me something, blame me something. I'm in

749
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: the hospital with my sister and uh and uh, I said,

750
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: let me okay, okay, let me let me see, let

751
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: me see, let me see you. I reach out to

752
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: Dave Cobb, I say, and my dad's in the hospital.

753
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: He's really really begging me for these songs. Is there

754
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: anyway just to send me a mix of just just

755
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: a couple of songs. I love for him to hear

756
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: a couple of songs, just a couple of songs that

757
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: really help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah sure. So a couple

758
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: of minutes later, he sends me three songs. Sends me

759
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: Face the River and Destiny and uh Summertime and uh

760
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: and uh. Um. So your dad starts crying when he

761
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: hears the first high note of of the chorus of

762
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: Face the River. He's really feel on it right away,

763
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, um, really reacting. And I played the songs,

764
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: the three that I had, and he says, I wish

765
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: your mother could heard these. I wish you could hear

766
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: this right now, this record. And I says she wrote

767
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: the record, that she wrote the record. He says she did.

768
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: She did write the record. So we's go by. I'm

769
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: trying to finish the album because I know the state

770
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: is not good. Um. Album is done. I take it

771
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: to him immediately. I said, dadd you want to hear

772
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: the album, the whole album now. He said yeah, yeah.

773
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: So I put headphones on, turn it up so I

774
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: could hear where it's at, you know, loud enough. He

775
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: likes it loud anyway, And we go straight through the record,

776
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: top of bottom, and he's so moved and mm hmmm.

777
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: I said, you want to hear it again? Played for

778
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: me again. Later, let's do it later. I said, good, okay,

779
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: But my brother and I we hop in the car,

780
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: we take a drive. A half hour later, half hour

781
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: after I finished playing that record, phone rings and my

782
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: dad's having an emergency. They need to take him to

783
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: the hospital immediately. There was some kind of complication and

784
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: so he's taking the hospital and put on heavy drugs

785
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: and you know, for the next day and a half. Um,

786
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: he's just on heavy drugs for that you know, that

787
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: slow boat ride out you know. Um. So however, the

788
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: timing worked out, without exaggeration, got to play him the

789
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: whole record in the nick of time, and um, and it's, uh,

790
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of closure I get. Um is

791
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: that is that I got to give him that that

792
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: experience and say, you know this is you know your

793
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: dedication you know. So Um, very hard. But but damn

794
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: I hate crying. I mean I appreciate the vulnerability. I mean,

795
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: you could tell the love that you have for your

796
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: mom and your dad. You can also tell when you

797
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: listen to this record. I mean, even if you didn't

798
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: know why, that's just someone just came across this record

799
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: on playlist, not even individual songs. May you may like

800
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: Gavin de Girl Faced the River, I think you would

801
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: listen to this and go, well, something's got him, Yeah,

802
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: like something, because it just feels different. It feels like

803
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: there's there's Yeah, it feels like there is. It feels

804
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: very deliberate in the in the most beautiful way. And

805
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: at number one from episode three hundred and sixty four

806
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: is Ronnie Dunn of Brooks and Dunne. Not only does

807
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Ronnie have a great singing voice, I also just love

808
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: his speaking voice. He could be talking about his grocery

809
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: list and I would find myself just being sucked into

810
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: every single word that leaves his mouth. So in every essence,

811
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: this entire interview was just fun to listen to. But

812
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: he shared stories that I had no idea about, stories

813
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: that you can't find online anywhere. One of those happened

814
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: to be the time he lived in Johnny Cash's cabin,

815
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: and that's where you're gonna hear in this clip also

816
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: about the origin story of Brooks and Dunn and getting

817
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: the call out of the blue to move to Nashville.

818
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: So the number one Bobby cast of Ronnie Dunn of

819
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Brooks and Dunn. Scott Hendricks took the type to Tim Dubois,

820
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: who was starting her to records at the time. And

821
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: just trying to fill in a balanced roster. And uh,

822
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: Clive Davis was was behind it. Of course that never

823
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: hurts uh at a time in the business when it

824
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: was not a great, great time to to start a label.

825
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: But tell Clive Davis that. Right. So Tim comes out

826
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: and here and here's me in in Tulsa because he's

827
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: from Grove, Oklahoma. Here's this play and he goes, Okay,

828
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: after we get through, he texting back and he goes, Okay,

829
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this. He says, hold tide for me.

830
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: He says, just like I'm going somewhere, right, Yeah, right,

831
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: I got the other side of the fence to Wheatie. Uh.

832
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: And he says, I'm I'm putting the record labor together

833
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: all Alan Jackson and Pam tell Us diamond Rio And

834
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: he said, I'm I'm up to something here. She says,

835
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: if you're just just have a little faith in patience

836
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: in me, I'm will go there. So you know, a

837
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: year later, I didn't heard anything from him. Yeah that's

838
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: a lot of patience. Yeah, well, where else do you go?

839
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice. Yeah, uh as sure enough,

840
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: I Uh, Janine comes down one day and tells me

841
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: to put the weed either down and come up to

842
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the house get on the phone, and she says, I

843
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: called him to boyd and see what's going on because

844
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm sure I wouldn't do that, you know,

845
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: And she's not. I called him and he goes, mr.

846
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: He said, this is unreal. Said, I'm sitting here with

847
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: my rollo decks right now looking for your number. And

848
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: I went, no, you're not, and he goes, yes I am,

849
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: because I want to cut boots, goot boogie. I'm thinking

850
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: the flash me with me. He goes with a Sleep

851
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 1: at the Wheel. So I just signed myself, okay, great,

852
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, knock it out, and he said, come down

853
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: to Nashville. He says, I'm gonna, you know, talk to

854
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: you when we get through and listen to the record.

855
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: So what with? Janine and I got in this car

856
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: and drove to Nashville, and uh it was. He played

857
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: it for us and it's Sleep at the Wheel did

858
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: of course as a swing song, bomp bomb and I

859
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: thought it, I thought, and we both just went Jennie

860
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: and I were like, oh, it's not gonna work. I'm

861
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: gonna fly and uh so they ran through their cycle

862
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: there and then uh, finally Tim said, okay, it's time

863
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: to move here. You know this is your your layters,

864
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: you're after that, he said, time to move here, he said,

865
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: and I'll get you. I'll get you hooked up as

866
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: a as a writer at one of the publishing companies.

867
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: And uh, he just called out all the blue. One

868
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: day after June Carter had already called. Janina said, uh,

869
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: she called her witter witter patch that was that was

870
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: your name is married name. Uh, she's a wider. Uh

871
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: would you mind even Ronnie maybe staying at having written

872
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: one of the cabins up on the mountain, which was

873
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: outside town in Gillittsville. And uh, Janina started crying. She

874
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, yes please, I'll be close

875
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: to June as a friend of hers and all this.

876
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: So we did, uh I uh, Tim put kicks and

877
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: now together to write with another another writer in town.

878
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: Don cook, don't don't jump ahead. Hold on, Okay, did

879
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: you ever go meet Johnny Cash? She drove, Yes, she

880
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: brought me into to meet him. Where to his house

881
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: in Hendersonville. Are you nervous? Yeah, I'm scared of death.

882
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to meet them and I know they're thinking, hey,

883
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: you know she's bringing you know, I want to be

884
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: singer into my house, just just like what I would

885
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: do with one of my daughters, just like ah please right.

886
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Uh So June takes her out, and you know, just uh,

887
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: John had just given June a blue on blue rolls

888
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: Royce for her birthday. You know. So we rolled up

889
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: to their house and all this austentatious stuff is outside,

890
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: and uh go in nervous, more nervous as you walk closer. Okay,

891
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: it gets worse. So the girls after after day one,

892
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, we all stopped and eat all this stuff.

893
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: John's real quiet, He's quite at first, you know, and

894
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: he says, she's intimidating anyway, right, And then under those circumstances,

895
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm going, you know, I don't I don't wanna, you know,

896
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: I wanna be here like this. So the next day,

897
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: June and Janine go shopping and leave me and John

898
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: alone at the house. Well, there were two big black

899
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: recliners in front of the TV like on at wall,

900
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: and uh, he's sitting there watching CNN and I just

901
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: sat down with a cover of coffee and I sat there,

902
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: I said, uh, something going on in the news, and

903
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 1: he goes, I always watch it, always watching. He says,

904
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm an addict. And he says, I'll watch the TV

905
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: until the loop changes. He says, you know that the

906
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: CNN and all that stuff around loops and I'm like no,

907
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: and uh, he goes, I just watched it two loops whatever.

908
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: You know. That was kind of the only thing I remember.

909
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: It just kind of didn't say much. He's like, you

910
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: want to go fishing? What are you doing? You want

911
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: to be in music? Nothing like that. So Janine gets

912
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: back and she's kind of pale. She's kind of like down,

913
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: and that's not like her because she's a chatter. And uh,

914
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: finally we went back to the to the bedroom and

915
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: she she said, how did it go? And she goes, well,

916
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: June just gave she read of me the right act.

917
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: You know. She goes, look, you know, because Rodney and

918
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Roseanne had been been married, and the girls, Carline and

919
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: all of them, and Junior had her struggles with John too,

920
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: and she said, uh, it's it's it's not a it's

921
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: not a pretty business. She goes, you know, these these boys,

922
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: she they're gonna act up on you, you know, they're

923
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 1: gonna get out there and theoretically do whatever. And she says,

924
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not it's not a good life.

925
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: Even if he does make it. She said, the chances are,

926
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, one in a hundred million that they, even

927
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: if they make it, will they last. She's just you don't,

928
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't want that life. You don't have

929
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: to have that life. So Janice said, I'm you know,

930
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: that's just kind of bummed me out. And I said, well, okay,

931
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: let's let's go. But we didn't. We stayed and and

932
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: and had had had a good time. But that was

933
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: just kind of what we were left with there. But

934
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, June was kind enough, uh to

935
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: to do whatever they could to help, and they did.

936
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: And half the time, more than half the time, I

937
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: would go to go up to take the rent or

938
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: play the rent six hundred bucks or something like that.

939
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: This house looked like something did Johnny's house. He would

940
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: take the rent to Johnny Casch's house. Yeah, and just

941
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: drop it away. They had like a hole for the thing.

942
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: They wouldn't take it. No, Junie, I'd like June number

943
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: run over and and leave the rent. And she goes honey,

944
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: don't do that. She said, don't do that. Yeah, you don't.

945
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: There's no need for you to do that. Weren't worried

946
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: about that, uh anyway, so that they wouldn't take it.

947
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: Did they ever take your rent? No? How long did

948
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: you live there? Uh? Year and a half? Two years? No?

949
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: Two years? Did did you ever get closer to Johnny? Uh? Yeah,

950
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah? No. No. Johnny would come up. There

951
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: was another it's a little enclay with cabins and a

952
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: good list on the top of the hill that uh

953
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: they had built real cool and uh. He would come

954
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: up and stay and spend the weekends and stuff sometimes

955
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: up there just to be alone. And he'd stop at

956
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: the house and uh and I told him, right, okay,

957
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: I get a record deal with their stuff as a

958
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: solo artist as well. I'm thinking as a solo artist.

959
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: And I'm still writing and and Tim says, uh, one

960
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: day he goes come over here. He says, we're gonna

961
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: spend the day and I'm gonna take you to every

962
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: publishing company in town. And I had written, like she

963
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: said to Neon moon Boots could hard working man. She's

964
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: be alling that kind of stuff. Uh. No, one actually

965
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: super excited, and he goes, but I'm I'm waiting to

966
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: take you to to Sony a TV for to Donna

967
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Hilly and he said that that's where I want you.

968
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: He said, that's that's in his period, but the best

969
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: place in town. So, uh sure enough, she calls one

970
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: day and says, hey, I'm gonna give you a deal.

971
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: She said, then I've been how does like you know

972
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: a month sound? And I was like, I'll take it now.

973
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: And uh so I was set up as a writer

974
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: in in in a great spot and uh Tim put

975
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: me and Tim Kicks together and I'm thinking, but you've

976
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: heard this story, but a lot of people have, but uh,

977
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: Kicks just thinking, well, he's writing songs with me for

978
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: my solo deal. Unbeh honest to me, he had been

979
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: working on another duo deal at Aras for him, Yeah,

980
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: him and someone else, Yes, Tim, Tim Nichols's who the

981
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: first one was. And I heard that had I not

982
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: worked out, it was gonna be Leroy Pardell. That's funny,

983
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: how about it? They were shopping Kicks to a lot

984
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: of really good It was like, Kicks, you're half of

985
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: something great. You're gonna be Yeah, You're gonna be buddy.

986
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: You know you want to be in a duo. Uh,

987
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: it sounds like three duos all you know. I don't know.

988
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: You have to ask Kicks. I don't know, but he'll

989
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: he'll tell the same story. He said. Man, I thought,

990
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, he was writing for me and I'm writing

991
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: for him. So, Uh, Tim comes in one day and

992
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: he has everything in his office lined up and uh

993
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: plays plays all of our music together, you know, and

994
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: he goes I think. I think with the first song

995
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: that with that we had written together was a brand

996
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: new man. Uh, and working on my next broken Heart?

997
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: And uh what else? You wrote that in a day

998
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: or in a week, like a couple of days together?

999
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: But you stay together, right for a couple of days. Yeah.

1000
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: I'd never co written before, so I didn't know, you know,

1001
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: what the protocol was. And uh we did that, put

1002
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: the records together and did you know, some work on

1003
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: them individually ourselves. Was there a creative chemistry that you

1004
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: felt then or was it did you just sound good

1005
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: or did you compliment each other in a way that

1006
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: you hadn't before? Just it felt good. I liked I

1007
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: liked what he had brought to the table. It was

1008
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: lost and Found in a couple of songs that were

1009
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: like almost Eagles progressive, and I liked that that kind

1010
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: of I was really, you know, in my creative zen place,

1011
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: thinking if we were gonna market ourselves as kind of

1012
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: a southwestern east west of the Mississippi, you know, desert

1013
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of, then that's southwest deal? Did you guys, and

1014
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: let's we'll just smash forward just a little bit. But

1015
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: did you guys ever have other names for the group?

1016
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: That for Brooks and Done? Yeah, we sit for a day.

1017
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: It was gonna be the Coyote Brothers, you know, the

1018
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: Cactus Brothers. We don't know. We sat and filled up

1019
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: a notebooks and finally it just you know, I left

1020
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: town and came back for after a weekend. Everybody said,

1021
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: let's just call it Brooks and Done. Yeah. They were

1022
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: just exhausted of all that that desert references. So nothing

1023
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: felt right. You know, I don't know, how does it?

1024
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: Because you're both singers, and I've been to more than

1025
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: a few shows that you guys and kick sings awesome.

1026
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: It's too awesome too. And he has he has I

1027
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: mean he kicks has. Yes, How how was that his names? First?

1028
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: And then you get to sing more songs, or like,

1029
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: how does that when you're both good? Here's the name,

1030
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: Here's how the name thing worked out, and people go

1031
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: how that happened? It's like his brother in law owned

1032
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: a big ad company up in Maine. We wanted to

1033
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: logo back, so we kind of laid out the basics

1034
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: and who came back with the you know the Brooks

1035
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: have done because it laid out graphically better. Uh, they're stylist.

1036
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: Could be done in Brooks, but Brooks have done. You know,

1037
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: by now it just seems natural. You know, the Beatles, right,

1038
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: what a freaking name? Really? Who would you call yourself? Yeah?

1039
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: It sounds successful, you are normal. The name gets yeah, yeah,

1040
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: when did it get the most absurd to you with?

1041
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: And again, but you guys are also in their thirties

1042
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: right when it started. I wonder if that helped it

1043
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: all with a little bit of the absurdity of how

1044
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: crazy it got it did it did and a lot

1045
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: of the challenges we would have had. You know, you

1046
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of helps you like fight through the kind of

1047
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: the unspoken ego tension that goes along with with anything

1048
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to establish. Your turf is you know, are

1049
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: you going to be the you know, the lead singer

1050
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: or am I going to be the lead singer? Hey,

1051
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: we're good to throw it together. We we always have.

1052
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: It's just kind of and I think being older helped

1053
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: help deal with that. When you're doing these shows and

1054
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: they're selling out and you guys are crossing over even

1055
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: a bit into not just country music. We got so big,

1056
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: like at its most absurd time, do you can you

1057
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: look back and appreciate it or was it all such

1058
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Speaker 1: a blur? No? We can look back and appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: you know. No, No, you you appreciate what you have.

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Speaker 1: And and just just from seeing I mean other acts

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Speaker 1: come along, you know, countless acts come along. It's like,

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Speaker 1: here's the hottest thing in town, here's these guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna be monsters and all that stuff, and just like

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Speaker 1: boom boom gone. It's like, why are we not boom

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Speaker 1: boom gone? I don't know, that's unspoken. Yeah, did you

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Speaker 1: ever have what they call, um mike, what is it

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Speaker 1: called the imposter syndrome? Where you felt like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we're not as good as some of these guys, yet

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Speaker 1: we continue to climb places that they're not like we

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Speaker 1: don't really deserve to be here? Do you feel like that? Yeah? Sincerely? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why do you think that? What do you think the

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Speaker 1: element was about? You two? What do you think it was?

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Speaker 1: I don't thought that. We thought about a billion times.

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Speaker 1: That's like me, we you mean kicks. I mean we've

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Speaker 1: talked about it. I don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean I do. Sometimes I said, I'll

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Speaker 1: lay in bed by myself and just go it's just

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Speaker 1: I mean, was it because we were involved with Clive

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Speaker 1: Davis and Tim. I've asked him Dubo, I said, what

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Speaker 1: what made this thing work? And he goes, Mr, I

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Speaker 1: don't have a clue. What about the songs? Right? Do

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Speaker 1: you ever just fall back and go, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: just could be the songs. Well they say it starts there,

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Speaker 1: so it could be just what those songs were, you know,

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Speaker 1: and there's obviously other things that go into the stew.

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Speaker 1: But if the songs are your meat, that's the foundation

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Speaker 1: of it all. That's that's a bar on, That's that's

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Speaker 1: where it starts. There, you have it. The Top Ten

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast of two will return next week with brand

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Speaker 1: new episodes, and if there's anybody you think we need

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Speaker 1: to have on the podcast this year, slide into our

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Speaker 1: I host a movie podcast called movie Mics. Movie podcast

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Speaker 1: find the link in the notes of this episode. My

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Speaker 1: name is Mike D and we'll talk to you next

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Speaker 1: time here on the Bobby Cast.