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Speaker 1: Hey, what up, Welcome in. I'm done, gottliep. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball, all basketball, all the time, although we talk

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Speaker 1: some other stuff and the pods recently have been great.

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Speaker 1: This is a two part series that I think you'll love.

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Speaker 1: Brian Wardle was my guest. He was a great player,

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Speaker 1: not a good one at Marquette. He's the head coach

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Speaker 1: at Bradley. He's taking them to the NCAA tournament. You

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Speaker 1: go back to the COVID year where that was their

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Speaker 1: dream year and that got wiped off out the books

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Speaker 1: after winning the Arch Madness the year before. So that

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Speaker 1: that is it's unbelievable, honestly what he's been able to accomplish.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get his personal journey upcoming. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk just a minute on the Draymond Green thing because

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Speaker 1: I haven't on this podcast. And if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this pod, generally most people, there's lots of college NBA

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Speaker 1: coaches or fans whatever that watch it. If you're a

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Speaker 1: foreigner player, my guess is you've been in a fight

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Speaker 1: or you've seen fights happen. Fights happen in practice all time,

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Speaker 1: not like every week. It's usually when you've been in

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Speaker 1: training camper or you you know, we don't have a

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Speaker 1: game for like three weeks, and you're kicking the shit

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Speaker 1: tired of how much she foils me. Right, you just

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Speaker 1: let a guy have it. Or after losses or after

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Speaker 1: a bad film session, you get ripped in and that

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Speaker 1: guy inevitably is gonna come out super fired up and

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Speaker 1: physical and and you know somebody's gonna take it the

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Speaker 1: wrong way. Like all of these things, we understand that

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Speaker 1: was not a fight that you saw. That was borderline assault. Right,

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Speaker 1: So it was two guys and they might have been

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Speaker 1: chirping at practice, and you can go like, well, they

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Speaker 1: were talking shoot each other practice, Like yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: how you don't talk shit practice. You don't walk up

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Speaker 1: on somebody and stand over them. He pushed you away

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Speaker 1: and you punch them when they're not you know, they're

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Speaker 1: not ready, Like come on, dude, nobody does that. So

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Speaker 1: he's taking some time away. My thing is, I just

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Speaker 1: don't know. Obviously, Draymond has that switch and we all

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Speaker 1: know guys that that's switch. They hit that switch and

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Speaker 1: like a different person, it's not it's like the incredible Hulk, right,

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Speaker 1: you know they won't like me when I'm angry, but

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Speaker 1: when it's your own team, when it's friendly fire, that

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Speaker 1: just everybody becomes uncomfortable. And then you factor in he's

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Speaker 1: coming off a year in which, though they won a

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Speaker 1: championship key points of the NBA Finals, they played better

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Speaker 1: without him than they did with him. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot at play here. I think the Warriors should

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Speaker 1: be extra tough, even if it's to their own detriment,

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Speaker 1: and suspending him for haven't missed the first ten games

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Speaker 1: this season, right, because Bobby Porter has got eight games

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Speaker 1: for Punch of Mirror Titch, this one feels as egregious

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Speaker 1: and to people who are like, well, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: the video dropped. That's fair, right, it's an internal thing,

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Speaker 1: but it felt like they were going to do nothing,

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Speaker 1: and then when the video dropped apparently. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you look, most of those guys didn't see the punch.

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Speaker 1: They didn't see any of this stuff happening because they

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Speaker 1: So it changed even their perspective on what Draymond is doing.

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Speaker 1: I think the film was really important to be released.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to release under these terms. But let's

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Speaker 1: Raymond Green. I hate when we do this, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the guy who leaked the film the TMZ, he should

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Speaker 1: be fired immediately, the entire video staff. You should not

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Speaker 1: leaked that film. But leaking that film was really important,

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Speaker 1: I think, to show what truly happened, and there's some

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Speaker 1: value to that. All right, let's get to my talk

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Speaker 1: with Brian Wartle, head coach of the Bradley Braves. Your

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Speaker 1: who I mean, that's kind of where we all started

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Speaker 1: at Fuller Team's Fortune's leading score. Like here's how weird.

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Speaker 1: an amazing thing about bo Ellis. Great guy, great storyteller,

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Speaker 1: just laid back, chill Bow. I mean when I got

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Speaker 1: Mike was such a good guy that even after I

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Speaker 1: committed to go into Oklahoma State, He's like, but you're

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Speaker 1: always believed in me in both. Like I was recruited

429
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: to put the ball in the basket. That was my role.

430
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: They wanted me. You know, you're here to put the

431
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: ball in the basket. Don't be a big liability on defense.

432
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Put the ball in the basket. I had to, you know,

433
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: just kind of find ways. I think with every freshman,

434
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: you got to go in and earn your teammates trust

435
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: right away. And I had earn my teammates trust that hey,

436
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: if I got a shot or if I was open,

437
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: if I was cutting, good things can happen. And I

438
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be selfish, but I had the ability

439
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: to make a tough shot or make a shot to

440
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: help the team. And I think just carrying the confidence

441
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: over from high school to college. It takes a little time,

442
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: but once you get your teammates trust and your teammates

443
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: start believing in you, and the staff may believe in

444
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: you even more. Like I always trying to explain the

445
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: coaches believe in their freshman more than the locker room

446
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: dust because you're recruited them. You know what they can do.

447
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: You watch them, you studied them. But they have to

448
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: go on that court and earn the teammates trust. And

449
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 1: it's hard to play a guy if you don't have

450
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: your teammates trust and the teammates don't believe in you,

451
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: it's really hard. You can't put them on the floor really,

452
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: So you got to go do that every day in

453
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: practice and have that consistency. And that's you know, once

454
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: I found that consistency, and I was putting the ball

455
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: in the basket, and I made some shots in games too,

456
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: because there's one thing about making them in practice and

457
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: then making them in games. Once I can make some shots,

458
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: big shots and games as a freshman, you know, it

459
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: kind of took off for me where the coaches and

460
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 1: the team all believed in me to be a score. Okay,

461
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: So the other thing that's a rarity with you is

462
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: nowadays a coaching change and you're out right, but also

463
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: because of those things that you just mentioned, the coaching

464
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: staff believes in the guys that they've recruited. Not that

465
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: guys like I mean, you know, coaches asked coming like,

466
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: hey man, you're part of that crew that got Mike

467
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: being fired. So we're looking for somebody who's not going

468
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: to get us fired. There's a reality to it. Why'd

469
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: you stay? Well, I think the first thing is like

470
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: we didn't. The one thing I regret about my marquete

471
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: career I wish we would have won more. That's that's

472
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. I went to some ni ts, but

473
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: going to the Nabili Tournament was always the goal. And

474
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: but Mike won a hundred games in five years. There

475
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: were even back then, there were politics when it comes

476
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: to coaching changes and coaches staying. And I just think

477
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: there was a lot behind the scenes with Mike being fired.

478
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: I don't think it was necessary the wind losses or

479
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: the product. It was more some other things. Is what

480
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: I've learned and what we kind of knew. But going

481
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: through the change, you know, Tom Crean recruited me at

482
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: Michigan State. I knew him a little bit, my parents

483
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: knew him. I had a serious girlfriend at the time,

484
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: my wife now Lesia of nineteen years and three kids,

485
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: and so I entertaining transferring didn't really enter my mind

486
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: back then. I mean this is nineteen ninety eight or nine.

487
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: It didn't really enter my mind about leaving because that

488
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: just wasn't the culture then. That wasn't the climate I

489
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: thought about. You know, I kind of knew my wife

490
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: and I were in serious relationship and I didn't really

491
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: want to give that up at the time because I

492
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: knew it was going to probably go somewhere. And I

493
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: loved Marquette, the Jesuit education, the private school. I loved

494
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: my teammates. I had great relationships with all of them.

495
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: So the transfer idea, which just wasn't in my had

496
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot And sure there were people that you know,

497
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: we're calling, you know, my AU coach Larry Butler, or

498
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: high school coach maybe, but it you know, I was

499
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: going to stay put at Marquette and see if we

500
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: could get to that tournament. I really wanted to lead

501
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: them to it, you know, a tournament run again. And

502
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, coach Krean came in and he established his

503
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: work ethic and the intensity, the energy right away, and

504
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: I kind of fell in love with it. There was

505
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: a lot of work, but you know, I fell in

506
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: love with it. Yeah, you mentioned Now Dino had that

507
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: different like sometimes he say, if I make this shot,

508
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: We practiced the kick off the stands, right, He just

509
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: some days he didn't want to be out there, and

510
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: I get it, like especially with his style, like you

511
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: need a little bit of a break, uh, from from

512
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 1: all that. So you mentioned the work ethics, so like

513
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: for somebody who hasn't experienced it, give me the give

514
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: me the difference in like a Mike Dean practice and

515
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: a Tom Crean practice in terms of what you do

516
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: and how long you do. Yeah, I mean Dean might

517
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: just go ninety minutes. They were both very similar and

518
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: like the defense, the transition work, the you know, you

519
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 1: worked hard while you were there. But Mike was a

520
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: little bit more, you know, we're gonna go an hour today.

521
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: We're just gonna go an hour heart or ninety minutes

522
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: or eighty minutes. And that was his style. He kind

523
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: of was very very cautious of his big men too

524
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: and putting too much on them. And then Coach Crean was,

525
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna we're gonna practice until we can't

526
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: get it wrong, and we're just we're gonna keep doing

527
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: reponant and reponant and reponant we got to get in

528
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: great condition because he wanted to play with a little

529
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: more pace. And and so now sitting back as a coach,

530
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: in a head coach, you can see what both of them,

531
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, their styles were and why they did it.

532
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: And and it's very interesting because I'm kind of right

533
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: in the middle of both of them. As as my

534
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: coaching career has gone on. It's it's uh, there are

535
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: some days where I just say, all right, make a

536
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: half court shot. We're not practicing today. If we put

537
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: together you know, three or four really good ones that week,

538
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: there is something about that mental break. But then there's

539
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: also a time where you got to stay for You

540
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: might have two hours on the practice plan, but we

541
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: might need to stay for two and a half two

542
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: forty five to get this right. So everyone is on

543
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: the same page. And Crean, I think the shooting in

544
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: the mornings picked up shooting at nighttime film watching. He

545
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: brought a you know, a different perspective definitely in the

546
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: film watching Off the floor two. So you get them playing,

547
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: and now you got to decide they'll play overseas. The

548
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: D League had just kind of started up, right CBA

549
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: was still around, and then in your mind you'd always thought,

550
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I want to maybe I want to

551
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: coach and stay in this thing. First thing you've mentioned

552
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade saying, now your senior year, how good was

553
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: he at that point? Done well, extremely talented. The best

554
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: story I have, and a lot of people don't know

555
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: this story it's out of him, is Dwayne and I

556
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: went after my senior year. The Bucks would always call,

557
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: you know how the NBA teams would call for pickup

558
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: games and would ask the local, you know, the college

559
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: players locally to come play. And so coach Krean invited

560
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: me and Dwayne to go play. So Dwayne and I

561
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: jumped in my girlfriend's car at the time, Lesha my

562
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: wife now, and we drive in this rainstorm to it.

563
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: We spin out when we crash into a wall and

564
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: the car could still drive, so everything was good. So

565
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: we drove the car kind of smashed up in the

566
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: front to the Bucks because it's a big This is

567
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: my kind of big break. You know, I don't I'm

568
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: probably not going to play at that level, but I

569
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: need to go perform in this open gym. I want

570
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: to go play. And Dwayne was coming along because Krean

571
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: knew how talent he was, and so did. I mean,

572
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: we all knew. We had drills just to stop him

573
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: in practice, Like it was five man shell keep Dayne

574
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: out of the paint drill. And we couldn't do it.

575
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we couldn't do it. So we went to

576
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: this open gym in the Bucks. And this is when

577
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Ray Allen was there, Sam Cassell, big Dog, Glenn Robinson,

578
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: and I mean, they ton of talent. And we went

579
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: in that open gym. And that's when I knew, because

580
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: I struggled in that open gym. I was not very good.

581
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: So coach Kreen goes, how are you? I go, I

582
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: wasn't very good. I was struggling. He goes, how was Dwayne?

583
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: I go, well, you know, put it this way. He had.

584
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: He was putting in work against Ray Allen and Sam

585
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Kinsell Sam Kinsell like like it was nothing, and the

586
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: whole gym was watching and buzzing about him. And so

587
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: in that one open gym, I'll never forget I saw

588
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: a guy who was just literally dominating an open gym,

589
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: hasn't played a college game, but was playing against all stars,

590
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: and and I'll never forget be like coach Kreen, you

591
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: have a you got it, not only an NBA player,

592
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: but you've probably got an NBA All Star in your hand.

593
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: And I was one of the greatest, you know, guards

594
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: of all times. So it was it was pretty funny.

595
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: But we knew he was special because his work ethic

596
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: was good. He was he was a great teammate, he

597
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: was coachable. I mean he had all the intangibles too.

598
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: He's competitor, big time competitor. But after that open gym,

599
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: I'll never forget going o man, I wish I could

600
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: have played one season with this guy. Your last college

601
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: game is against too oh Man who I don't maybe

602
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: I think Memphis. I don't even know. I don't know

603
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: it was in conference tournament. We lost. I think it

604
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: was Memphis pretty sure. I remember Senior Day. That was.

605
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I remember all our my bad losses. Senior Day, louis

606
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: we lost, you know how it is. I don't even

607
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: remember the wins. I remember the bad losses, and we

608
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: lost to Louisville and triple overtime. I remember I was

609
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: crushed triple overtime, and I just remember I played fifty

610
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: three minutes out of fifty five. I think I broke

611
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: a school record for minutes played and I couldn't walk

612
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: the next day. But we lost, and that's all. I

613
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: was heartbroken that we lost that game. Okay, So so

614
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: so you get done, you get back to campus, right,

615
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: and now your your careers over. So take me through

616
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: the thought process of playing. And you mentioned in your

617
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: pickup game at the box or whatever, what was your

618
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: actual thought process when you get down playing a marquette. Well,

619
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: I was going to give it a shot, you know, go,

620
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, look at playing pro ball obviously, and I

621
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: went to the G League camp. It's not even G League,

622
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: it was the D League and B and B d

623
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: L and it was the first year so I got

624
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: drafted in that. I played my rookie year in the

625
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: D League and really cool experience. Met some great guys.

626
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Where in the D League Faytteville, Arkansas, right, Yeah, Carolina,

627
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: Georgia or favorite kid it's a bunch of Fatvilles, Yeah,

628
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: Fort Bragg, Fayteville, Carolina. I believe it was in Carolina.

629
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: And played my whole rookie year there and met a

630
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of good guys. Didn't have a great year, so

631
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: really going overseas for me, I couldn't really get a

632
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: contract worth going over there yet even after my college career,

633
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: and so I went in the CBA the following year

634
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: and had a better year in the Sea, and then

635
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: I was going to head to Germany and then just decided.

636
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: That's when coach Creen came to me and said, hey,

637
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I might have a spot open here as an assistant

638
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: like video coordinator. I know you want to get into coaching.

639
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: This is an opportunity. I need some help with Trey

640
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: Schwab needed some help. Who he had was a great guy,

641
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: great coach who's passed away unfortunately, but he was a

642
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: great mentor in mind. Trey was And that's when I

643
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: just decided do I go to Germany and play or

644
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: do I get into my coaching career and give up plane.

645
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: And I was still fairly healthy and competitive as ever,

646
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: so it was a hard decision, but coaching was the

647
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: closest thing to that competitive spirit that I was looking

648
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: for and playing, and I jumped in and decided to

649
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: not go overseas and after two years of playing and

650
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: get into coaching, and it was obviously a good decision

651
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: for me. It's interesting, I'm fascinated by your experience in

652
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: the minor leagues, because I think the way you're wired

653
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: in some ways is great for the minor leagues because

654
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: you're tough and you're a score, right, Like two things

655
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: that you have to be if you want to be successful.

656
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: You gotta be tough from basketball, and like that's a

657
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: level of basketball where scoring is valued, right, you gotta

658
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: be able to get yours. On the other hand, like

659
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: you really care if your team wins. And while those

660
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: guys want to win, it's not for many of those

661
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: guys that's not the determinant into if they played well.

662
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: It didn't play well, right, Like you and I we

663
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: we get done from a game, you're like, well, you

664
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: know I didn't shoo up. We want to right. Whereas

665
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: if you ask some people who are especially you played

666
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: in myur leagues, the final score is doesn't tell any

667
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: of the story, or as it tells the entire important

668
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: story to us. And you played a place, and you

669
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: played a place to Marquette where hoops really important. It's

670
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: the only thing. It's really games are really really important, right.

671
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Whereas you know D League, you kind of got to

672
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: get your own mojo going, kind of got to get

673
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: sometimes you're gonna go and it's just going to be

674
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: an empty gym with a couple of people there. So

675
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: what was that experience like Considering how you're wired competitively

676
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: the great question, and it was adjustment because I mean

677
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: we had guys going in and out every week and

678
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: it's profession. And I tell our players now that I coach, like,

679
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: when you go pro, you're never gonna have this, this

680
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: team and support system around you, this camaraderie, this off

681
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: the court coming to the coach's house as a team

682
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: and spending time at lunch and having breakfasts and shooting,

683
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: and I go, you're never going to have that probably ever. Again,

684
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: it's very rare the college atmosphere and environment that you get.

685
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: And so going to pro was eye opening because I've

686
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: grown men with kids, you know, getting fired every week,

687
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: not like like that was what was crazy to me. Doug, Like,

688
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I was so like show up early. I was so

689
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: like militant in my style, and I wouldn't. I had

690
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: teammates that were super talented with families, and they would

691
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: show up late to a couple practices, they get fired,

692
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: they were gone. New guy comes in. There comes a

693
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: new guy. He's gone, he's gone, he's gone. The one

694
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: thing I'll always tell about my D League experience my

695
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: rookie year was I think me and Greg Steppin at

696
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: Toledo were the only two guys that didn't get fired

697
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: that whole season. We made it through the year. And

698
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't because of stats For me personally, it wasn't

699
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: because it's statistics. But I ended up kind of being

700
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: the assistant coach of that team, and that's when I

701
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: knew I really want to get into coaching. Like Nate

702
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: tiny Archball was our coach for half the season, and

703
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: he would just kind of say, hey Ward, will take that,

704
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: take the second group down there and run the baseline

705
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: out of bounds place, or run our quick hitting sets

706
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And so that's kind of knew

707
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: how I wanted to get into coaching, because I just

708
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: I had a knack to remember plays quickly, teach them,

709
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: know the why, and get our teammates, get my teammates

710
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: to execute them. Even if I wasn't even playing. I

711
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of took on that leadership coach role when I

712
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: wasn't playing many minutes, and that's kind of when I

713
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: knew this is probably the route I'm going to go.

714
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: But pro basketball is different. It's a lot of fun

715
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: in some ways, but definitely in the locker room there

716
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: are you do have teammates that it was just you know,

717
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: they were trying to get their numbers to help their

718
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: personal career and their families, and and that's where it

719
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: was a lot different than college. I'll give you a

720
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: USBL story and then you give me. Gotta give you

721
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: one CBA story. Okay, this is a real story. So

722
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: I tell you stories all the time. My dad always says,

723
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: there's always a reason. It was always like that. I

724
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: was like that, these guys are so good, like, so

725
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: there's always a reason, right. So, uh so, I this

726
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: is funny. We're playing in We play in DC, and

727
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: we have Darren McClinton was a good friend of mine,

728
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: a great workout guy in DC, and he played at

729
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: he played at JMU and shoot, I'm trying to remember

730
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: there's a dude who played at West Virginia who's really talented.

731
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: They're both DC guys, right, So we go and play

732
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: in in DC. Like it's like a I'm gonna say

733
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: a Friday night, maybe a Thursday night, and the gym

734
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: is packed. I think it might have been at George

735
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: Washington and the place is fucking packed, but it's like

736
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: an and one mixtape deal, Like right, somebody comes down

737
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: and makes move and dudes are hopping out of the

738
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: stands like oh baby, you know, And I remember, like

739
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: we won, and we knew we weren't going to see

740
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: those guys until the morning, right, Like it was like

741
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: you got yo, DG, you want to roll. I'm like, now,

742
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm good man, I'm tired. We got a game tomorrow.

743
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: So I remember we woke up at like seven to

744
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: the phone ring and our head coach is Brian Gates.

745
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: Ryan's now a long time assistant in the NBA, and

746
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, we're leaving in fifteen minutes, Like what,

747
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: it's seven in the morning. We just played like our

748
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: game has moved up. We're playing in like eleven and

749
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: Lehigh Valley Dogs Darryl Dawkins the coach. But they're doing

750
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: it so they have all these camps, local camps coming

751
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: so the gym will be packed and it's on TV.

752
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: So we roll in, you know, like I don't know,

753
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: nine fifteen, nine thirty for like a ten fifteen, ten

754
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: thirty for like an eleven o'clock game, right, and you know,

755
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: we grabbed these guys. They just came in and we're like,

756
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: we gotta go. So the crazy part is we're starving,

757
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: and this is before the days of ages. Popp into Starbucks,

758
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: get a coffee and a game totally. But we're already

759
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: there because we were freaked out at the times. We're like, hey,

760
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: we're Brian, We're hungry, no problem, we got you the

761
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: place they ran like, nah, we got you, don't worry.

762
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: They bring in like just a big thing of hot dogs, cokes,

763
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: and candy bars. Now, I hadn't had a candy bar,

764
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: not a candy bar guy even normally in life, Like

765
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: I never I don't think I've ever bought a snicker

766
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: as a TwixT or any that. But at this point

767
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: in time in my life, I'm especially not a candy

768
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: bar guy or a coke guy. But whatever, I think

769
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: I had down to Milky Way and a hot dog

770
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: and had some water and go out and play and

771
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: there for you. So we leave. We fly back to

772
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: Oklahoma that night and they hand out our perdem like

773
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: at the air We get to the airport and they

774
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: like pass out for DM and it was like twenty

775
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: five dollars a day, right, Like I got like eighteen

776
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: fifty in my envelope. I'm like, yo, I at eighteen fifty, Like,

777
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: where's where's my where's my seven dollars a fiftens. They're like, well,

778
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: we had to take out, you know, a couple of

779
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: dollars for the hot dogs you ate, and a dollar

780
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: for the uh for the milky way you ate, and

781
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: then for the coke. I was like, I didn't have

782
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: a so they gave me back like a buck fifty

783
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: for the for the coach or whatever I mean it was.

784
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: I was like, what ye give me? Give me a

785
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: CBA story. It's it's oh, I mean it's there was

786
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: I think we're on the road. I remember one time

787
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: early it was early in the year and we are

788
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: on the road and it's one of my teammates birthday parties.

789
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: I won't say names, but we kind of go out,

790
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, we played the next day. I think we

791
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: have a one o'clock or noon game on Saturday. I

792
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: come on, we're all going on as a team birthday,

793
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: my great team Bondy. You know, I'm all about that, Like,

794
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know these guys were well, we're

795
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: playing pro ball. We just have some new teammates come in.

796
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: There's a birthday, so I go out. Anyway, I'm thinking,

797
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: like you, it's Newton game. I'm going to bed. You know,

798
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm back to the I'm back at the room by

799
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: eleven before midnight. For sure, I'm going to bed these guys,

800
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: I know. So we have a quick little breakfast, which

801
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: you know you're eating hotel complimentary breakfast. You're not getting

802
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: a breakfas you got to the complimentary breakfast. So I

803
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: remember we're supposed to all be down there at like

804
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: nine am. We're playing at noon because there's really no

805
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: pre game in the CBA, and we have like three

806
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: guys show up. No one's there, everyone's sleep in or

807
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: still out. Long story short, we end up pulling up

808
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: to the arena and I'll never forget. Ronnie Fields and

809
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: Albert White are two best players, great guys, great team.

810
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Loved them. They're struggling and our assist like our equipment

811
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: manager guy who's the assistant coach. The last equipment manager

812
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: asked him, hey, what do you guys need? They just said, hey,

813
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: just get us two red bulls. We're good. And I'm

814
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: like Red Bulls. This is when Red Bulls just came

815
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: out and they're like yep, They're like, hey, you know

816
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: be worded. Just try red bull man before the game.

817
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: See what it does. Those guys down the red Bull.

818
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: So I drink one and I never forget, Like I

819
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: crashed at halftime off the sugar high. Both hit Albert

820
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: and Ronnie. I think both go for thirty that game.

821
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: I mean they justly destroyed destroyed the team. We're playing

822
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: at nude and I'll never forget. I'm like, what is

823
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: this red bull? And they're drinking them before games? This

824
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: is something new for me. But it definitely worked for them,

825
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: but not for me, that's for sure. It's really interesting

826
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: on how there are some guys like like Miles Simon,

827
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: We're I'm going to posit him and he's the league coach.

828
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: And for my entire childhood, like I play with Miles

829
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: and every Saturday night I had a sleepover at his

830
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: nana's house because she was one we're best friends, and

831
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: two she was an awesome cook. Right, But that dude

832
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: like stay up all night playing video games, get up

833
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: and just hoop the next day, and like if I

834
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: didn't have eight hours in a hot cot like there,

835
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: I got no shot, Like I need my Milton Cookies.

836
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: I need to be asleep. But some dudes, like the

837
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: famous story of Gary Payton, is right that Gary would

838
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: put down his last beer, go to shoot around, sleep

839
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: all day, right, come out, give you a twenty and ten,

840
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: and then go do it again that night. Right. Guys

841
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: can do that. I could not. I agree. I teammates

842
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: I could do that, and they would produce too, and

843
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: great guys, but I just could never do that. I

844
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: couldn't function if if I did that. Why hasn't Tom

845
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: Crean been able to recapture what happened to Marquette? I

846
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: know they were close to Indiana, they were number one

847
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: in the country, But I mean the comment, I mean

848
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: the thought is, and what you guys are able to

849
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: do Marquette was pretty special. Why hasn't he been able

850
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: to sustain that level of success elsewhere? You know? I don't,

851
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Speaker 1: I don't really know. I think that you gotta be

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Speaker 1: be in behind in those hallways, in that in that

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Speaker 1: you know, coaching locker room, in that player locker room

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Speaker 1: to know all the details of a program. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: but I'd say this, what he did at Marquette was

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Speaker 1: special in Indiana. I mean, he won two Big Ten

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Speaker 1: titles Indiana. I had a ton of NBA draft picks

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Speaker 1: Marquette he had. I thought the coaches that I worked

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Speaker 1: under when I was a young coach were really good,

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Speaker 1: and staff is huge. That's the one thing I do

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Speaker 1: know about this business is I don't care how good

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Speaker 1: you are as a head coach. You can think you're

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Speaker 1: John Wooden, You're not if you don't have good assistance

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Speaker 1: around you and good coaches around you that can play,

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Speaker 1: bring players in, help you recruit the players, help develop players,

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Speaker 1: help X and O on the scouts, all that. And

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Speaker 1: he had some great coaches with him at Marquette. But

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Speaker 1: ultimately I just think it was it was probably every

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Speaker 1: every head coach kind of has a school that might

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Speaker 1: fit their personality more. I thought it was a good

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Speaker 1: fit for coach Green. You know, Marquette's a basketball school,

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Speaker 1: private school. I thought he had a He was a

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Speaker 1: really good fit there and did an unbelievable job. And

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Speaker 1: just when I was on staff, I'll never forget we

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Speaker 1: were recruiting Joel McNeil and you know a great player,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dominic James Wesley Matthews. Those guys were all

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Speaker 1: like on our recruiting boards and we were talking about them,

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Speaker 1: what study and film breaking it down, and I just thought,

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Speaker 1: when you get those kind of recruiting classes, those are

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Speaker 1: you know, game changers, program changing recruiting classes. He was

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Speaker 1: able to do that with Dwayne and then that recruiting class.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, even though Darty Blankston was really good,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne's freshman class was really good that Coach Green brought in,

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Speaker 1: So I think that changed the dynamic. And he did

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Speaker 1: the same in Indiana. He just he nailed on those

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Speaker 1: recruiting classes and move forward. But he can, you know, coach,

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Speaker 1: creaking coach, and he works his butt off and he's

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Speaker 1: like I said, he's a great motivator, He's a he's

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Speaker 1: a great marketer, can really knows how to market a

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Speaker 1: program and get a program moving. And I would not

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Speaker 1: be shocked if he's on a sideline again one day

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Speaker 1: for sure. That's part one of my my interview with

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Speaker 1: Brian Wartle. Part two is really interesting, the climb to

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Speaker 1: finally making it to the NCAA Tournament at Bradley and

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Speaker 1: what now and what next? By now next, I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 1: This is all ball h