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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl Drama Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: But you'll tough, girl. You could sit with us Girl

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Speaker 1: Drama Queens, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn McQueen's Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Welcome. Welcome to Drama Queens. This is UH looking

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Speaker 1: back on One Tree Hill episode nineteen, I'm Wide Awake.

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Speaker 1: It's morning, air date May third, two thousand and five. Synopsis.

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Speaker 1: Steb's younger brother Cooper is in town and stirring up

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Speaker 1: trouble at the speedway with Nathan and Lucas. Dan tells

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Speaker 1: the college where Andy teaches of his relationship with Karen

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Speaker 1: and he's forced to choose, and then Mouth and Erica

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Speaker 1: Marsh start up new relationship. Guys. For anyone who had

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Speaker 1: to watch this episode back preparation for this episode of

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Speaker 1: Drama Queens, we sincerely apologize. We're very sad bad. The

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Speaker 1: episode was my guy ice cream to reward myself first

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Speaker 1: sitting through that episode, The only redeeming thing was meeting. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of redeeming things. There's a few good moments. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Skylar Fisk and Uncle Cooper, God, they're lovely mouth and

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Speaker 1: Erica marsh are so flipping cute backseat of Brooks car

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Speaker 1: But like those slow motion montages of cars doing donuts

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Speaker 1: when you guys hear this bitch about the things going

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Speaker 1: the end of season two, that is when people at

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting a divorce whatever. Depressed, Fine, he comes

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Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, chicks are treated pretty disposedly on our show. Um,

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Speaker 1: But that's like the messaging man. It's just so unlikable.

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Speaker 1: you were on the show because that the show was

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00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: kind of like becoming super popular right right around that time.

427
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: I'll say this, to this day, of everything that I've

428
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: done so far career wise, this is the single most

429
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: recognizable really really battle Stars. Yeah, yeah, Battlestar and and

430
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: uh yeah, even it's weird because to this day it's

431
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: you can always kind of tell the demographic to who,

432
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, like the young mom, right the mom and

433
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: her thirties daughters, like you know, kind of preteen, so

434
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: they both now like mom watched it back in the

435
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: day and now daughters watched it. Um. And it's always

436
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: like an airports and stuff like that, but in the

437
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: most random locations. But um, it's I don't notice as

438
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: much as my wife does. For example, right, so we're walking,

439
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: we're out someplace, and she's like, those girls are looking

440
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: at you. You know, they totally turned around. I was like,

441
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. Actually, I was playing attention. And

442
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: so we were when this is a funny story, we

443
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: were this her mom was in town from Switzerland, and

444
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: we all decided to go to dinner with her mom.

445
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: We were at this really hip restaurant that was on

446
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: lastna I forget the name of it, but we're waiting

447
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: for our table and they said you can have a

448
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: seat at the bar, and we were kind of early

449
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: because her mom likes to eat early, and we were

450
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: sitting on the short side of the bars, big bell shaped,

451
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: longest bar, and we're on the short side and there

452
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: was a group of about I don't know, ten eleven

453
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: twelve girls in their twenties, obviously having some sort of

454
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: bachelor that party. And they were down the way a

455
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: bit and we were minding our own business and uh, Sandra,

456
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking. She squeezed my hand. She goes,

457
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: they're looking over here, they're looking over there, and I

458
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: was like, they just you know, what I just let

459
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: it be and she does, it's just everyone we go

460
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: and then they kind of looked over, and then they

461
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: would talk and another girl would look over, and then

462
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: this girl walks up and she's got a camera and

463
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: she does that kind of you know and exactly and

464
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, don't mean to bother you. And Sandra's yes, yes,

465
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: it's him, it's him, okay, and she but she's very

466
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: sweet about but She's like, of course it's him. And

467
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: the girl goes, oh, okay, I could we just will

468
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: you take a picture of our friends tonight? They were

469
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: just looking for a frapher. That guy looks like he

470
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: knows how to handle a camera. Sorry, I think people

471
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: in the bar so and it was like, I'm so

472
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: sorry to boot you, and Sounders like, oh my god,

473
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: here we go. Do you want to be over here?

474
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: And she went, oh my god, I just want you

475
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: guys to take a pet of my friends that universal

476
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: right here. But it's the strangest thing. It really is

477
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: the strangest thing. How ingrained Uncle Cooper. This character has

478
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: become from something that I thought was just going to be,

479
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, in and out, be done with. And I've

480
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: gotta tell you I'm proud of it, you know, I

481
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: really am. I'm I'm armed to be included with you guys.

482
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: That that really means a lot to me. And and uh,

483
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: it's it still blows my mind that people that the

484
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: character resonates with people. And I just I thank you

485
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: guys because I remember how sweet and how good you

486
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: were to me when I got there. All of you.

487
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: We just yeah, listen, Michael, you were a good safe

488
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: dude to hang out with because you were really fun

489
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 1: and you didn't talk down to us. You know, you

490
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: had been on a lot of stuff and you were

491
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: super inclusive, but you also, you know, respected boundaries and

492
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: you were a very safe person to be around. Absolutely. Yeah,

493
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: of course, I mean that's just it's in my nature.

494
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, and and you know you have

495
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: to be caught into that, of course. And that's why

496
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: I think part of it. Like I said, I felt

497
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: like I was this old guy and you guys were kids.

498
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: But we would go out and you know, there were

499
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: nights when we all go out to dinner, we had

500
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: some drinks and I was like, is this weird? Should

501
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: I I should just I gotta beat it. I gotta

502
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: get out of there and just go I feel like

503
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm out of my here. But then I bonded with

504
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: like Lee, you know, and and and James, and I

505
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: was like, I really enjoyed my time here. And then

506
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, I spent a good amount of time with

507
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: Paul as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fishing. Tell me about

508
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: that trip. After he knocked me, he pushed me down.

509
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, we had that moment the hospital in this

510
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: episode by the way, Yeah, that's right, you know at

511
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: the end and he pushes me in the chest and

512
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I kind of pushed back. Well, we did a take

513
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: where he shoved me into a chair because there was

514
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: a chair, and I was like, oh, I see how

515
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: this goes. So it was a complete and total you know,

516
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: there was this pissing match going on, and Paul came

517
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: and kind of wanted to set the tone and he

518
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: pushed it and I pushed him back, like okay, cut, Yeah,

519
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: that's that's a little too much. Guys, Like we just

520
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: kind of had this moment, and then after that we

521
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: were we were totally cool. Yeah that sounds like Paul

522
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: toxicity or and you're just marking your territory. Where did

523
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: you hang out in Wilmington's where were your hotspots? Who

524
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: have no idea? One didn't one of you guys live

525
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: over a steakhouse. Well, yeah, so there was a steakhouse

526
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: that was you know, I don't know what. You gotta

527
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: remember my first time in Wilmington, I think it was

528
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: February or March now Willington's city. Yeah, boy, in February

529
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: and March, it's grim. It's like it's cold, and it

530
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: was bleak exactly. It was gray, and there was no flowers,

531
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: no trees, no leaves, nothing, just like dead trees, and

532
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: it was really quiet. I remember walking around and looking

533
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: at that battleship on the river house in that hotel,

534
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, Holy Lord, what am I doing?

535
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: And I just it felt like, you know, a tumble

536
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: weed would walk would go by the street when I

537
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: was walking down. And I largely spent the first week

538
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: or two the day I was up there by myself,

539
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: just you know, going to a bar and sit and

540
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: pull up and watch a NASCAR race or you know,

541
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: have breakfast in some cafe. And then eventually I got

542
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: to know you guys and got the land. But I

543
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: can't remember so long. I remember that steakhouse is being

544
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: sort of fa central meeting point and then I was

545
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: just there. Well I saw you guys there. Oh god,

546
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: we were there before COVID. How did we all escape

547
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: that guy? I mean maybe we didn't because I think

548
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: we all got sick after that. But yeah, that was

549
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: the last time I saw anybody before the pandemic broke out.

550
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: I saw you. Um that was it was. It was

551
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: a fun convention. I want to say. It was February

552
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: of two thousand twenty in the world shut down in

553
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: the thirteenth of March. Yeah, bas And how were those

554
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: couple of years for you? I mean, were you able

555
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: to work at all? Or what did you? And Sandra?

556
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: I did? I actually, um spent. It was kind of

557
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: tough because I was in Vancouver for five months and

558
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't leave and son couldn't come up because we

559
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: were under you know, it was non essential, you know,

560
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: so we were allowed to travel as to get to Vancouver.

561
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: We once we were there, we couldn't leave. So I

562
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: was making that show for Netflix called Midnight Massah, and

563
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: uh we shot that for We started in February. Right

564
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: after I saw you guys. I went up to Vancouver

565
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: and then we got shut down on March thirteenth. I

566
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: spent the whole summer here at the house, which was

567
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of great. It was l A was a really

568
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: interesting place. You know, there was no traffic. It was

569
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: so beautiful. It really was right. There was something that

570
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: was the silver lining. It was Yeah, there was remember

571
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: the haze of fog, that of the smog that just

572
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: cleared for the first time in thirty years. It was

573
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: just clear. So we really enjoyed that. And then I

574
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: was gone for a good portion of in in uh

575
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: in Vancouver, and it was really weird to be away

576
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: from my wife for five months straight. I know, not

577
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: like you know, we usually try to keep a two

578
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: week ruel where either she's coming to where I am

579
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: or I go where she is. I was going to say,

580
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: becausually have been together since two thousand and nine or

581
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: did you just get married into that married in two thousand.

582
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: Now we've been together since two thousand, so this isn't

583
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: But okay, the two week rule, that's something that I've

584
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: heard a lot of couples in this industry do. It

585
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: must work, Yeah, yeah, it does work, because you know, look,

586
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not you can't be right to the letter

587
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: two weeks. You know, there's some inconveniences. You just it's

588
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: so important to check in with each other. I mean,

589
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: my husband's gone all the time. Yeah. I was going

590
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: to say, of course, I just keep his stunt doubles

591
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Jeff stunt double silicone face mask. Yeah. He just wrapped

592
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: The Walking Dead and he was like, I mean it

593
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: has his beer, Like, what are we doing? We need

594
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: some photo? Hold on. I hear what you guys are saying.

595
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's so nice. But you're right. He

596
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: was down in Georgia and couldn't travel the quarantine and

597
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: so we ever, well we spent part of the year

598
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: down there when my son was doing homeschool, but we

599
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: couldn't go back and forth. Um, there was no back

600
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: and forth, and he was like forbidden from travel, so

601
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: he would like sneak up everyone. So of course you

602
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: had to be really real careful. We went up to

603
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: do the pilot of Good Sam February. We were four

604
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: days from picture when they were like everything shutting down.

605
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Go home, and so then we went back to do

606
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: the pilot to actually film it. And yeah, Michael, same thing.

607
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: The Canadian government was like you can come and you know,

608
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: we'll lock you in a hotel room for two weeks.

609
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: You can't open the door to order a lot of groceries.

610
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: And they wouldn't. They wouldn't let grant. They write. They said,

611
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: he's not essential to the production. And I was like, well,

612
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: it's pretty essential to me. Actually, I just didn't get

613
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: to see him for three months. It was it was crazy.

614
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: I can't believe you guys have five you know, thank

615
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: God for FaceTime obviously, and right we're checking every day

616
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: and we talked to three times a day, and you know,

617
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: that's that makes a huge difference because being able to

618
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: have that one on one, that FaceTime literally FaceTime, it

619
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: just it just makes life easier to see. But it's important. Yeah,

620
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: we listen, we have We've been together for twenty years

621
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: and we've got twenty years for a reason, because you know,

622
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: we take this relationship serious and we work at it.

623
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that it's not without you know,

624
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: difficulties and distractions were human beings, and so you have

625
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: to you really have to massage it and work it

626
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: and and it's a it's a choice. It's a choice

627
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: that you make. And you know, if you choose to

628
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: to stray or stumble then that you know you have

629
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: to be accountable for that, and so we choose not

630
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: to and we check in with each other and the

631
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: love is real, and yeah, it's it's fascinating. I mean again,

632
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: I thought I'm sounding like the old guy, you know,

633
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: savee advice, But it's take us on a lap around

634
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: the track to hear look at that leaning in. I

635
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: don't know what all leaned towards our companions were, like

636
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: tell us your secrets, Michael, for twenty years, tell us more.

637
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I fall more in love every day I get. And

638
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: maybe because I turned fifty, I don't know, maybe that

639
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: has something to do it. Maybe age is a factor.

640
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: But it becomes abundantly clear to me that having that presence,

641
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: that energy, my person, my soul mate, is invaluable and

642
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: I will do nothing to compromise that, and to jeopardize that,

643
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: and and her and and so the protection instinct kicks in.

644
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: And it's just when you have when you build a

645
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: shorthand with somebody, you know, I can't imagine starting, Oh

646
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: my god, I imagine. I don't. I don't, man, I

647
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: just I I the whole. I can't because the generation

648
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: that has to date on this and they have to yea, well,

649
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: who is that? Jason Mova Lisa. It was like they

650
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: broke up for two weeks and then they were like,

651
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: you know what, never mind, we don't want to I

652
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. Yeah, so I don't. I

653
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: just can't relate to that. I just I'm from a

654
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: different generation. So I'm very I'm very happy and I'm grateful.

655
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: And that's what it is is you have to have

656
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: you have to have gratitude and you have to be

657
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: aware of it. You just have to. You got to

658
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: acknowledge it. Don't take anything for granted. But this is

659
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: what your advice, as Uncle Cooper landed, because it's it's

660
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: authentic to you. You know, you can tell that you're

661
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: not some sleazy dude that's out there trying to hook

662
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: up with everybody you know, and like you're giving this,

663
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: But Michael, you didn't play it that. Yeah, that's right.

664
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: Try not to know a lot. I mean, it could

665
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: have been it could have been creepy. We were even

666
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: saying the supermodel line could have come across like kind

667
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: of sleazy and creepy. But it didn't at all, just

668
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: came across the sincere and like, isn't that crazy? Yeah,

669
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: isn't my life kind of wild? My waist ad that

670
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Jesus God. And then and then I

671
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: end up sleeping with the seventeen year along the show.

672
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: So you oh, Danielle, Oh, I forgot honey. They did

673
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: it to all of us. Like, so hookes up with

674
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: a teacher, I hook up with a dude in a band? Joy,

675
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: did you ever hook up with an adult? Well, Chris

676
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: Christ in high school? Wait, what's that storyline? Well, that's

677
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: where I was during this episode, was off on a

678
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: music tour and that's why she sang that song at

679
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: the campfire because that was a song that I started

680
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: singing with with Tyler Hilton before we went off on tour.

681
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: So that like offended Nathan and yes coming together. Yeah. Also,

682
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: can we talk about that for one second while we're

683
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: just talking about the ways this episode jumped the shark

684
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: who lets a bunch of people camp in the center

685
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: grass at a NASCAR with fire track and light a

686
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: fire vehicles. What's happening in this episode? And there's lanterns, Like,

687
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: what is going on? Somebody broto lantern race track through

688
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: his bloodlights and then it's like, you know what we

689
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: need this this little tinny daddy lantern lamps. Man our

690
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: shows all about the Skinna lamp. That was yeah, yeah,

691
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't know true. What's your background with NASCAR? Um

692
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: So I raced. I went to racing school. I race

693
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: in this ridiculous series called the twenty four hours and Lemons,

694
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: which is a play on the twenty four of the

695
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: mons is where everybody has to purchase a car for

696
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: five dollars in less. And I know this race. Yeah yeah,

697
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's done it. Where does this happen.

698
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: This happens all over the country, from from California to

699
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. There there's there's races just about every other weekend.

700
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: You guys, this is an internet rabbit hole, that is.

701
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: So what's it called? It's called twenty four hours of Lemons. Okay,

702
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: we're all right in this town. This is a real

703
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: big thing. We were the We called our team the

704
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: mastera Rachis because we had a Mazda and it was

705
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: painted like a Mexican flag and we wore we wore

706
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: big some bar. So it's kind of like, you know,

707
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: it's sort of Marti grab everybody dresses up for it

708
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: in your car. Each car has a theme. This is

709
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: so fun. I want to go. I've got five hundred dollars.

710
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: I'll sponsor you. Let's get a car and spray paint

711
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: a crown on it and got drama can wet it.

712
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: And it's way less high stakes than that pinball rally. Yes, oh,

713
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: way less Yeah, the pinball rallies, like with with Lamborghinis.

714
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: And these are five piece of cars. Yeah, joyl drive

715
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: over anything. I have a driver, yea. Not a fascination

716
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: with the racing. Um. I just always said I grew

717
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: up in the wrong state. I grew up in California.

718
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: If I grew up in a state like North Carolina

719
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: or someplace in the South where you know, racing is culturally,

720
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, in their blood, I can see where that

721
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: was something I probably would have pursued. I just you know,

722
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: as a kid, way back, I would watch racing with

723
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: my dad and everybody else was watching football and basketball, baseball.

724
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't watching those sports. I was watching racing,

725
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: IndyCar music, NASCAR, racing, Formula One. So that was kind

726
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: of a it was kids. Mean, it was when this

727
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: role came up, I don't know if I told you

728
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: this story as conventions before. I don't know if you

729
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: guys know the story. I was on the plane from

730
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: l A to North Carolina, and I was going through

731
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: the script, you know, as you do, and getting ready

732
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: to go on to the show, and I'm trying to

733
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: get a good sense of, you know, who this guy is,

734
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: and it just referred to this character's Cooper Um and

735
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: so I was like, I need to do a deep dive.

736
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: And I know that I'm Dep's brother, and and somewhere

737
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: I found the name Lee, and I was like, oh,

738
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: so the character is called Cooper Lee. And I put

739
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: that together and that some I'm sitting on the plane

740
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: and I'm wearing this jacket that actually made it to

741
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: the show. And the reason it made it to the

742
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: show is because it was some cheesy leather jacket I

743
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: got on mel Rows years ago. But the brand was

744
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: Lee Cooper and the name was stitched. The name was

745
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: stitched onto the sleeve and said And I took the

746
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: jacket off and I looked aside. It was called the

747
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: Lee Cooper jacket. And I was over here to Cooper Lee,

748
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, this jacket has to be

749
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: on the show. So that's the one that I'm wearing

750
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: in that episode when we're walking on the track, and

751
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: I thought Wardrobe did it. That's yeah, nuts, stuff like

752
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 1: that happened and I love it. And I was like, okay,

753
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: it's meant to be with your knowledge of NASCAR, Like,

754
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: what did you see in this episode? Because you know,

755
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: in like like when military guys watch military shows and

756
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, they're like that's bullsh What

757
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: did you see in this episode where you're like, no,

758
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: hate it? Yeah, well, just the disparity between the cars

759
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: look like they're going about thirty five miles an hour,

760
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: and the idea that we're supposed to be on a

761
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: hundred thirty five miles an hour. Um, you know, there

762
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: was a few things that listen. I'm sure NASCAR guys

763
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: are also, I'm not certain that you'd put two kids

764
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: in the car on the second day that they're there

765
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: or four kids. Yeah, they do have schools like that

766
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: and you do a lead follow, but they don't really

767
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: open it up to hey, I'm going to take the

768
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 1: high line. I definitely if I'm a professional race car driver,

769
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't bump draft my nephew in front of me

770
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: and his first day on the car, first day of

771
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: the car, and you grew up and you hit him

772
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: on the you know, that's that's unbelievable. So that was

773
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: a little probably a little dicey um, but I think

774
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: it was good. Like they had the terminology right when

775
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Skyli gets out of the car, she goes, it's loosening

776
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: tight off um. You know those are terms that they used,

777
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: meaning at the car at the back end comes around

778
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: and the front end pushes and and so I thought

779
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: all that stuff was good. I mean, Jeff Burden was

780
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: there that that legitimized it. Yeah, he's a big deal man.

781
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: I used to lie when I was a kid and

782
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: tell people I was related to him. That's the same name.

783
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: At hearing that, because we were talking to about you

784
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: know how you and Skyler were both such highlights of

785
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: this episode. She's just so lovely and we were jealous

786
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: that we didn't get to work with her. So it's

787
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: nice to hear that. You know, the stuff she had

788
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: to do was as accurate as it could be. Was

789
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: that role meant were they gonna expand that was that

790
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: going to be a potential Dude, we were just talking

791
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: before you came on. It felt to us like they

792
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: were prepping for a spin off. Interesting. So do you

793
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: guys know the story. I was doing Battlestar at the

794
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: same time as this, and I was recurring on both shows.

795
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: And this is one of those weird moments that you

796
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: can't orchestrate as an actor. You know, you just want

797
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: all the forces aligne. At one time I was going

798
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: to Vancouver but shoot an episode or two Battle Start,

799
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: going to go back to see you guys in North Carolina.

800
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: And then inevitably there was that one year, I think

801
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: it was towards the end of the season, maybe at

802
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: the beginning of the next whenever it was that Battle

803
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Start called and said hey, we need you for these dates,

804
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: and your show called instead of when you do for

805
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: the exact same dates, and we're like, so we came

806
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: to this impass and um, I don't know if you know,

807
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: but both shows stepped up and and there was a

808
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: scenario where Mark had approached me and said, we want

809
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: to bring you in to the fold next season full time,

810
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: and Sophia they were going to hook our characters up together.

811
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: I was robbed. I was yeah, that was because you know,

812
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: how there was gonna be a time jump. I think

813
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: you guys at all graduated and then yeah, god, you

814
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: were going to come in for five for grown up

815
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: Brooke Davis, the owner of Clothes Over Bros. Dating the

816
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: Hombrace car Drive. What the man? I was so mad.

817
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That makes you sad, Honey. We're

818
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to send her flowers. We're gonna have I

819
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: would have loved to have like a good buddy, be

820
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: my on screen boyfriend. That would have been so nice.

821
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: But then you got you that in my adult life,

822
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: and it's been so nice, Like it's so even. Like

823
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: on my show now my character is in a bit

824
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: of a love triangle. And Edwin Hodge, who interestingly enough,

825
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: was on One Tree Hill with us back in the day,

826
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: and then Michael Stall David, who I love from Narcos.

827
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: They're like the two guys my characters trying to figure

828
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: her show with, and they're like two of my best friends,

829
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: and it's so funny. That's so great. Yeah, I feel robbed.

830
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: Then you've got your battlestar that offered you a series regular.

831
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: That's what happened. So then One One News Got One

832
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: got wind of the other one. Yeah, They're like, well,

833
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: hold on a second, and um, I think yeah. I

834
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: think it was just came down to you know, I

835
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: was looking and I've got it, given you a better deal,

836
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, you're a free agent and it was.

837
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: And I don't regret at all. I mean, listen, I do.

838
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: I would love to have spent more time with you guys.

839
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't regret for a second

840
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: my time on One Tree and it's been It's been

841
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: amazing because the reaction just from being there for a

842
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: short time. I was like, why, it would have been

843
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: great to have spent a whole another season or two

844
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: with you guys. Um, And I'd love to see what

845
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: that would have taken me. But I think Battlestar was

846
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: such a great experience for me, and it put me.

847
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: It gave me a whole you know, opened a lot

848
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: of doors, like a behind the scenes thing that a

849
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: lot of people think about in terms of how actors

850
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: have to make decisions like that. You know, for you,

851
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: l A to Vancouver is a quick three hour flight

852
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: that's easy for you and Sondra for your relationship. You're

853
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: in the same time zone, you can see each other

854
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: on the weekends. Wilmington's is not only you know, across

855
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: the country and three hours later, but there's no direct flight,

856
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: so it's just eight hours flying, not even the travel

857
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: time to and from the airport on either side. It's

858
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: our flight two planes to get there. So it doesn't

859
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: surprise me that you know, someone in your position who

860
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: loves and prioritizes his relationship with his wife is like

861
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: I almost gay close to home, So you know that,

862
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you could not have iterated that better. That's exactly.

863
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: That factor in a lot into it, of course, because

864
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: Vancouver not only is the flight show, you're in the

865
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: same time zone, and that's just it just it makes

866
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: things so much less complicated. There's nothing worse than trying

867
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: to communicate on two different time zones so hard and

868
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: invariably it's that what times there? Why are you up?

869
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: Are you up? You know, like, oh my god, you know,

870
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: well I'm just going to sleep, but you're just getting

871
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: up and I'm going to sleep and you're out at

872
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: dinner with our friends. Like it's just it's so hard. Yeah,

873
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: So those things can can you know, there can be

874
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: a grind and that definitely has a factor in the decision.

875
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: But you know, I wished in an alternate universe that

876
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: there was a scenario where Cooper was back and see, now,

877
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: now you can like throw the Reese Witherspoon thing at

878
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: the networks and be like, well she did big little

879
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: eyes and little fires everywhere at the same time. Let

880
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: me be on two shows at once. But at the time,

881
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: shows would not allow that, like the idea he would

882
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: work on one show and then work on another. Networks

883
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: were like, who do you think you are a person?

884
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, I'm an actor, so I'd like

885
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: to act. I don't know what they wanted. Exclusivity for sure,

886
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: and that's ultimately what they had to step up to

887
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: the deal and come with the deal. You know, when

888
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: you're recurring, they don't own your time, you know, and

889
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: so you're bouncing between shows and you're paid accordingly. If

890
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna, if they're gonna, you know, secure your time,

891
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: then of course you get you get paid more. But

892
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: then you're you're explicit that show. So yeah, that worked out,

893
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: But how are you guys doing? Who cares about us?

894
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: What I want to know is, um, all these guitars

895
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: hanging on your back wall, we had we had a

896
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: little bit of music in this episode at the weird

897
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: bonfire in the middle of the field. Um, am I

898
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: an idiot for not knowing that you're a musician? Are

899
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 1: you a musician? No? Those are cake I'm a baker. Shot.

900
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, those are made out of frosting. And

901
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: do you have a band? You? What do you? What

902
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: are you doing? Swing? Swing the camera? That was my

903
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: simple world? Did your hair in a band? Full? So

904
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: you're still recording? Then you're still not really but like

905
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: this is yeah. So there's a j C one twenty,

906
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: which is a classic. There's this pedal board that pulling

907
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: this up on Google? Simple? What now? Con simple world?

908
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm right, I'm literally writing it on a post that

909
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: one word. No, I was terrible voice, but well I

910
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: did back up, but you could bury back up in

911
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: the mix and nobody knows it bad or not. Yeah.

912
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: We um oh you got you got? Um I'm looking

913
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: at someone. Oh my god, god yea god? Yeah T shirt? Yeah, yeah,

914
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: which picture is that? I don't know what you guys

915
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: in the viper room you're playing the viper rooms? Yeah,

916
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: we were, We were legit for about a half. I'm

917
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: following your band now, thank my god, Yes, what was

918
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: that again? This is so funny how really with age

919
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: comes wisdom. At the time, we didn't. We didn't appreciate

920
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: what we were doing. We were we were chasing the dragon.

921
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: We were always trying to be what was happening in

922
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: the scene because we were always a step behind the trend.

923
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: We were a big arena um YouTube style, r E M,

924
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones, rock and roll band when grunge and like

925
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: clubs and like super angsty emo was happening and we weren't.

926
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: We were pop and we apologize for it. We apologize

927
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: in our performance. We apologize and using me, you know.

928
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: And so like those days at the Viper and when

929
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: you were lined up with four other bands and you

930
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: have your half hour of slot or st and all

931
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,959
Speaker 1: these other guys dripping cool. Everybody was just they were

932
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: they were like it felt that way. I've had to

933
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: explay this to my son, where I'm just like dudes

934
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: and bands or nerds and they just are yeah, yeah,

935
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: for sure, Like you know, I mean, my drummer was

936
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: wearing you know, this is the nineties and early two thousands.

937
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: He was wearing uh shoelaces, shoes with two different shoelaces

938
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: that were hot pink and hot, you know, green, and

939
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: they said new kids on the block, you know, like

940
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: nobody would would be rocking New Kids on the Block

941
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: when they were still super popular like that. Roney wasn't

942
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: cool yet. The early two thousand's were not ironic. We

943
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: had to like get out. Yeah, yeah, so we were.

944
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: We didn't really I wish I could go back and

945
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: enjoy it a little bit more. We were always like,

946
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, we got to be this, we have

947
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: to be that, and we have to dress like that.

948
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, you don't. You just got

949
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: to do whatever you do, whatever your jam is, whatever

950
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: your sound is, and however you choose to dress and perform,

951
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: that's who you are. It takes a while to figure

952
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: that out, though, especially as artists, because I think built

953
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: into most artists is the desire to be liked and

954
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: you want the attention, you want the strokes, the accolades,

955
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: you want all of that, and so the easiest way

956
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: to get that is to fit in where you see

957
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: that everybody else getting all that's right, and it's hard

958
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: to realize like, actually you being original and bringing something

959
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: that's only from you to the table is what ultimately

960
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: will give you the fulfillment that you're looking. Yeah, you're

961
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: so right, and you hear that and people tell you that,

962
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: and that's the advice that you were given and you

963
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: see it on shows like Eric and Idolwold, like you

964
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: just be yourself and be authentic to yourself and you

965
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: always don't. Yeah, and then you and then there's like

966
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: an A and R exactly who's like, you know what

967
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: you need kids like to like this guy. Yeah, you

968
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: had to produce her a manager who's like, you know,

969
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: our singer's name was Zeus by the way, I mean,

970
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: if you if you're yeah, well his real name is

971
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: his Susman doesn't, but his whole life he went by Zeus.

972
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: That's so that's just a rad name from a singer.

973
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: But at one point they tried to get him to

974
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: sing kind of gravelly like Eddie Vetter. Yes, exactly, everybody

975
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: was doing the Eddie Vetter was her. Oh my god,

976
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: it's like how everybody tries to sound like Marcus Momford. Now, yes, exactly.

977
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: So that's that was the stuff that we were fighting

978
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: because exactly what you said, Hillary, that somebody told us, well,

979
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: if you guys want to you know, just make it

980
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: to the next level. You need to sound, you need

981
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: to be this, and we didn't need to be anything.

982
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: We just were what we were. But it was it

983
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: was short lived. I mean it wasn't shortly. We had

984
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: the band for a long time, but by the time

985
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: we all got into our thirties, was starting to Yeah,

986
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too late, Michael. We have these conventions.

987
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: Everybody plays at the conventions. Hell, if I wanted to

988
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: start a band thing, let me play, Okay. I'm also like,

989
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: do you do you just still play at home for

990
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: fun for you Yeah. Yeah, that's why. That's what most

991
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: of the stuff is that it is. You know, it's

992
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: a great it's super therapeutic and uh like, for example,

993
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: when I was in Vancouver five months, I brought one

994
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: of my guitars and here's the other thing that I

995
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, if I wish I had had back then

996
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: as this university of YouTube. I became an infinitely better

997
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: guitar player in five months sitting in my apartment in Vancouver,

998
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: because I was like, I've always wanted to learn, uh

999
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: this solo from you know, whatever song, you know, pick something,

1000
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: pick a song or something that I was like, I've

1001
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: always we used to play it, but I never played

1002
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: it right. And now you can just die it up

1003
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: on YouTube. And guy goes, well, here's what you want

1004
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: to do, and he just shows you how to play it.

1005
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: And if you have the time and you have the

1006
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: basic cognitive knowledge of a guitar, you can you can

1007
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: learn these things. And so through I spent five months

1008
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: every day playing the guitar in Vancouver, and I was like, oh,

1009
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: I never knew. I never knew this, you know, put

1010
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: that into our music because I was I was pretty

1011
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: rudim entering. I mean, you know, our our music is simple,

1012
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: hence the name Simple World. But it was it was

1013
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: very it was poppy, and it was you know, it

1014
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: was just simple, good old fashioned. You're going to have

1015
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: to send us a video for us to post on

1016
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: art social media. You can bask in like the sexy

1017
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: guitar plane. I think you get your shirt undone too,

1018
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, but sexy. Okay, there's that pictures shirt, but

1019
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: this is even better. This is the mouth breather, oh

1020
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: my god, with no shirt underneath. And then the headband.

1021
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: You're still giving me strong Craig Scheffer vibes. This right,

1022
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to give us the same amp

1023
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: that amp is right there. No way that I love that.

1024
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: We need you to play as a song. Sure well

1025
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: right now, I mean whenever you want, whatever you Honestly,

1026
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: I hate to be weird, but I'm like, but if

1027
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: you said us a video, we can watch it more

1028
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: than once up you can. You can't. You're in a

1029
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: phone call. Like That's why I like letters. We can't.

1030
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: I like things I can hold on to. Is that

1031
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: what Uncle Cooper is doing right now? That's what the

1032
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: fans always asking, what's your character doing? Now? Do you question?

1033
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Now he's let's see Coopers now? Yeah, you know you

1034
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: could conceivably in NASCAR, give you raising it this possibility.

1035
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: I think he's still in the game. I think he's

1036
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: in racing. I think he owns a team. Yeah, he's

1037
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: got he's got twenty two year old drivers and you

1038
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: know that that's the new up and coming generation. But yeah,

1039
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: I think Cooper Lee's uh, that whole that team, that

1040
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: whole business is still is still going like that. Yeah,

1041
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: I love it. What can we tell people to watch

1042
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: you in? What can we point to? What are you

1043
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: working on right now? Well? So I did finish in

1044
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: that mass which was on Netflix, which if you guys

1045
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: like horror, I don't know if you guys are down

1046
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: with the ho do. I mean, I'm carrying around my

1047
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: husband's fake heads. So I just had a horror movie

1048
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: come out, how you did, My first time ever doing

1049
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: a horror movie. It's called so called The River. It's

1050
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: it's out now. But what's in what's Midnight Mass about? Oh? God,

1051
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: midnight Mass? Um? It's really scary. Yeah, it's it's it's

1052
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: really esoteric. It's midnight Mass as a UM it's a

1053
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: study on religion. Actually, it just gets into the lore

1054
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: of of faith and um fanaticism and um. It's about

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: a small fishing island that's about thirty miles off the

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: coast of the you know, the United States, and this

1057
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: staunchly Catholic little fishing society has had the same monsignor

1058
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: for seven decades and suddenly he falls ill, and this

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01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: young priest shows up and says, I'm not here to

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01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: replace them, und just here, you know, to fill in

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01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: for Father Paul or for Monseigneur Prewit. And when this

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: priest shows up, strange things start happening on the Island,

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, it gets it's it's a slow burn. It starts,

1064
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: it kind of pulls you in and then it just

1065
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: gets crazy and it's it's a it's a study on

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: life and death in religion. And uh, it's all set

1067
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: in a horror genre, which is interesting. You know. That's

1068
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: what Mike Flanning and does so well is take horror

1069
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: and turns the convention on its head and actually gives

1070
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: you this real deep, esoteric think piece. And so I'm

1071
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: leaving this end of this month to go back up.

1072
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: We're doing the next one. Um. It's called The Fall

1073
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: of the House of Usher. It's based on the Brow

1074
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: and Pope. Yeah, it's five ed growling poet short stories.

1075
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: It's like the Pillar. Hi, Michael, you want to put

1076
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: a word in for me, I'm your creepy friend. I can.

1077
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: I can make the introduction. Trust me, You'll never meet

1078
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: a goth girl. That's so cool. So I'm very fortunate

1079
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: to kind of have been, yeah, sort of adopted into

1080
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: the They call it the flana Verse, the Mike Flannagan universe.

1081
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: Is like he's notorious. All of us from Midnight Mass

1082
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: have come back for the House of Usher. That is

1083
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: so cool, and they were in a lot of them

1084
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: were in Midnight I'm sorry, the Haunting of Hill House,

1085
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: the Haunting of Manner, So those are all like I

1086
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: did this movie called Hush with with Mike. It's really

1087
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: small in the film. We shot in Alabama and twenty

1088
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: one days and I just gotten into Yeah, that was

1089
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: a great movie and I just got into his world.

1090
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: And thank God, because it's just it's a it's a

1091
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a strange world. And we were

1092
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: gluttons for punishment this business. Well, and that's why we've

1093
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: all stayed together. It's important to find your little families

1094
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: and to nurture them. And we're so glad that, you know,

1095
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: even though this episode was kind of a doozy, you

1096
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: became a part of our family in this episode in

1097
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: a way that's so grateful. Yeah, I didn't stink up

1098
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: the joint when I showed that it was a break.

1099
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: You were the gift. You saved it the show for sure. Well, guys,

1100
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: should we spin a wheel? Michael? We spent a wheel

1101
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: every week because this is a show about high school,

1102
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: so we do most likely too. From the yearbook, Oh

1103
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: who is fast likely to compete on Dancing with the Stars,

1104
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: so we do, so we do who which character do

1105
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: you think and then which person in real life do

1106
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: you think would be the most likely too, So we

1107
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: have two answers. Always Okay, dancing, I have to answer that. Well,

1108
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I have to make a confession. My

1109
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: husband wants me to do Dancing with the Stard Jeff.

1110
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: Jeff's like, I think you should do it, and I'm like,

1111
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. He's like, Oh, you're just

1112
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: always moving your body weird around the house. Like I

1113
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: did not say no to that show because you know what,

1114
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot of hard work and you just get

1115
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: to completely throw yourself into it. I know people have

1116
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: done this show and it's like it's so much work,

1117
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: but it's so fun and such a great Really think

1118
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: I just want to be strong, Like do you know

1119
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you see everyone's muscles when they're done,

1120
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I got honest. I would totally

1121
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: not do that show. I can't think of anything more

1122
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: tortures and horrifying and terrifying. That is my chili. I'm

1123
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: an awful day. That's your next horror film, that's the

1124
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: next Gary movie. You have to do. You have to

1125
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 1: waltz in the next plan Verse project Goode Bevin doing

1126
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. Bevin's character's good. You know who

1127
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: first came to mind for me? Who I think would

1128
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: be so good? Barbara right, dancing with the slash Barbara. Yeah,

1129
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: that was I could agree. Okay, that's the winner event

1130
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: so good. But Hillary, I'm I'm encouraging, you know, I'm not. No, No,

1131
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 1: this is like my husband thing so weird. Um, it's

1132
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: like wanting to see you and dance around and some sparkles.

1133
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: I bet he's like, you know what would be? I

1134
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: can just do that at home, Like I don't want

1135
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: to go on TV. I think that's I think the

1136
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: world needs no you could you know what, Hillary, With

1137
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 1: both of our musical theater background, like there's there's something

1138
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: that happens in there. You never quite get away from that.

1139
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: Just dancing in your life and your right, I think

1140
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: you never joy And I want to do Cabaret on Broadway.

1141
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: That's what we I mean, sorry, not Chicov in my brain,

1142
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: Jolie and I want to do Chicago on Broadway. There's

1143
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: only one role in Cabaret, like you want to do

1144
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: Broadway in Chicago. We could trade off. Yeah, did you

1145
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: guys do a lot of musical theater? Yeah, a lot

1146
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: you did. But if you watched this episode, you can

1147
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: tell that I wasn't the better dancer. Joy Is definitely

1148
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: I was in this episode. I was a ghost. I

1149
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: just leave it. And then she wasn't it was you

1150
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: and Mora and Barbara. It was too Yeah, it was.

1151
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: It was the two of us and then Barb and

1152
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: Moira cringe ist dancing ever, Yeah, it was pretty cringe

1153
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: e I was. I was just pissed. I was like, God,

1154
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: I was like I danced in school, not having music

1155
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: and being expected to do a routine. And even so,

1156
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm so bad about it. Even the girls, the cute

1157
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: girls who did the coyote ugly routine in the last episode,

1158
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: they got choreography. I was like, we have some anyway,

1159
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: I'll be thinking about that for the next ten years.

1160
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: But most of the time, dancing makes me a couple

1161
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: of watching it. Even I don't like watching people dancing.

1162
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: Get huh, you can all be uncomfortable together this episode, guy, Hey,

1163
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: how did you guys know you have to go? But

1164
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm just curious how the three you guys. Y'all did

1165
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: good Sam right you guys? Yeah? We do so fun,

1166
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: so fun, so fun to go on so show and

1167
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: you know she's killing it over there and she's just

1168
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: so well loved and respected and it's so nice to

1169
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: see her in her element like that, and for all

1170
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: of us to also just play together again. I know,

1171
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: I last wait, is that your way of being like

1172
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: you want to be on season two? Have a love

1173
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Triangles like you want to love Square? Yes, my god,

1174
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: you know Davis loves plus on. I'm just saying, oh

1175
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: my god, Michael, please come on my show so I

1176
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: can get the dream that I didn't even know was

1177
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: someone from me until the day. Let's make that full

1178
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: circle to happen. This has been an informative episode Evil Cities,

1179
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: Evil Cities. He wasn't there for that part. Sorry, it

1180
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: was a whole I love it. Michael. You are the best.

1181
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming to play with us today.

1182
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: That was so fun, so great to see it all

1183
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: three of you. And um, I'm in l a. Let's

1184
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: go for a hike. I'd love to come. I know.

1185
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: I thank you. Like Sophia and I, we contact each

1186
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: other and was like them on Instagram, and I was like,

1187
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: that's that's so so what we do. We're pretty good.

1188
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: We get back to each other and I love it. Yeah,

1189
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: you have yes, you have my you got my email?

1190
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: You know I would love to. I love to hook

1191
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: a couple, go and do a hike or something. That'd

1192
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: be great. Perfect everybody fine, take care? Oh everybody, that

1193
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: was so fun. Thanks for listening. They just love him. Hey, girls,

1194
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: here's to our high hopes for a better episode next week.

1195
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, squirrely ones in a row means we gotta

1196
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: get a good one next week, right, Yeah, what do

1197
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: we know about it? What's it called? Can we get

1198
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: a teaser with our title? Next week's episode? Season two,

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Speaker 1: episode twenties called Lifetime Piling Up? Oh? God ready, Joy,

1200
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: do us a favor? Can you create a mixed drink

1201
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: for next week's episode so that we can get through us?

1202
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: I love that idea? Help? Okay, alright, cocktail time is happening. Alright,

1203
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: I love you guys to Hey, thanks for listening. Don't

1204
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: forget to leave us a review. You can also follow

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01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 1: us on Instagram at Drama Queen's th h or email

1206
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: us at Drama Queens at I Heart Radio dot com.

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Speaker 1: See you next time. We are all about that high

1208
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,799
Speaker 1: school drama. Girl drama girl, all about them high school queens.

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1210
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Speaker 1: Cheering for the right drama Gueens draws my girl up

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Speaker 1: girl fashion. But your tough girls, you can sit with us.

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