1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: This is Teddy tea pod with Teddy Mellen Cabinet. Hi, 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: you guys, welcome to this week's Teddy Te Pod. I 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: am here with Sam Rubin, who you guys know is 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: the entertainment anchor for kak L and Maureen News, the 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: number one news program in Los Angeles, and I am 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: excited to be talking about the Oprah interview that we 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: watched last night. Sam, Thank you so much for joining us. 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: Happy to do, Teddy. You know you and I were 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: the only ones who watched it. Uh. CBS is saying 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: seventeen million people tuned in, and that's the initial number, 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: you know, people who d v AR didn't watching it. 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: A little later that will be added up. So I 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: wasn't sure how many people would actually tune in. But 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: I tell you what, you put two very famous people 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: together along with Oprah Winfrey, and you know it's one 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of the highest rated shows of the year. Well, I mean, 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: to start off, Oprah is so incredible. She has such 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: a way to show empathy, compassion, but also get great 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: information without it coming off in any sort of way 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: to offend anyone, but also by getting both sides of 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: the story. I'm just so blown away. By every interview 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 1: that she does. Well, you know, the thing that she does, Teddy, 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't do, is she actually listens. 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: I think, uh these you know, press John gets through 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: other circumstances. You see people walk in with a list 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: of questions and they're just reading their questions. They're not 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: paying attention to the answers and experience interviewers though the 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: the next question is always a result of the answer. 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: So I think you saw a lot of really genuine moments. 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: And there was this part, particularly when talking about potential, 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, horrific uh sort of act of prejudice against 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: at this point uh un or an archie where we're 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: over just goes what like she you know, the way 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: we would all react. She literally couldn't believe what Megan 35 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: was saying to her. I agree, and I think not 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: only does she listen, but she waits and will ask 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: the question almost again, you know, as you know, to 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: what you were saying, the what or she'll repeat what 39 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: what the person said so that they can then add 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: to it, so then you get even more to the 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: story than what they originally said, which is just I mean, 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: it's so helpful. And I think also going into this interview, 43 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: I had my own assumptions of what would happen from 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: what I've seen play out in the press. And I 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: feel like this was like an unveiling each you know, 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: each little segment there was something else that you found 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: out and you're like, wow, I'm really learning from this, 48 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: or well it already changed my opinion from what I 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: felt seven minutes ago. Um because she just had a 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: way of getting the information out there. But I mean, 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: I I I I have to be honest, Like, going 52 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: into this interview today and talking with you about it, 53 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: I had a little bit of anxiety even talking about 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: all the things that that were said in the interview. 55 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: And so if I'm having anxiety talking about this on 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: my own podcast, could you imagine being a royal and 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: making a mistake on what you're allowed to talk about 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: and what you're not Well, it's doubt only that, but 59 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: one thing because of the you know, highly highly charged 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: things that she said. You know, in other circumstances, if 61 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: somebody had leveled against a charge against somebody else, they 62 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: may well, you know, stand up for themselves and say, hey, 63 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: you know what she misunderstood or you know what that's 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: not true? But you're kind of hearing absolutely nothing from 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: the palace today, and I don't think you will in 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: the next couple of days. We'll see one thing that's interesting. 67 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: As Teddy, you and I are having this conversation. This 68 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: Oprah conversation now airs around the world, So on Sunday night, 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: folks on in the US today on Monday, Australia, other 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: countries in the Commonwealth, New Zealand, uh, the UK itself. 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: So you know, obviously the interview was out there, but 72 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: to see the whole thing in its totality in areas 73 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: were frankly, they're probably more interested in Megan and Harry 74 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: than we are in the US, and especially now that 75 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: it's everywhere. You know, I knew even watching it on 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: West Coast speed versus the East Coast feed, I was 77 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: seeing things play out through the press. There were clothes, 78 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: there were different things coming through, and it made me 79 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: want to see it more so I could understand what 80 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: was happening. And I mean a lot of what they 81 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: talked about from the beginning was from being you know, 82 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: nation's heroine to nation's villain, and the difference between famous 83 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: people and royals. Well, I tell you what I think 84 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: royals are at a different here because you know, fame 85 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: as a kind of disposable commodity in America in else 86 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: places around the world. But you know there are people 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: who are stored. When when you said that phrase, I 88 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: don't know why my mind jumped to this, but it 89 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: just did. During the whole o J thing for a 90 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: period of time, for you know, six weeks, Kato Kalin 91 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: was the most famous in America, and you know it 92 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: testified at the trial and I remember being at the 93 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: Four Seasons on Dohenian Burden away Um and a Mother's 94 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Day dinner with her brunch with my mom, and Kato 95 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: walked into the room and the room literally froze. And 96 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: now flash forward X number of years later, Kato could 97 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: be a bus boy at that same restaurant and nobody 98 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: would pay any attention. So it's really interesting how, you know, 99 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: fame good, but but but royal fame. Uh you know, 100 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: look how long the monarchy has has endured. That to 101 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: me is that it entirely different levels. So uh, you 102 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: know again, and this is one other thing about Mega Marco. 103 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: Megan Marco was a successful working actress on a moderately 104 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: successful cable TV series for seven years, and that puts 105 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: her in the same company I don't know's two or 106 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: three hundred other people, but obviously meeting and becoming engaged 107 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: and then Marry and Harry puts her at a totally 108 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: different level. Yeah, And I think they started the interview 109 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: off by saying, listen, guys, no matter what you've seen, 110 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: there's no agreement here. There was no payment because so 111 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: already people were saying, Okay, the only reason they did 112 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: this is because of payment, But like, what was the 113 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: actual purpose of the interview? That's what I think. You know, wait, 114 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: that's a good question too. And and and I think 115 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: this brings up sort of a debate. Alright, they are 116 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: very very famous, They are very well known, and this 117 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: interview only increases their fame and their notoriety. Well, fame 118 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: and notoriety can be commercialized. They have a big deal 119 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: with Netflix, they have a big deal with Spotify, so 120 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: they're doing this interview quote unquote for free, but it 121 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: does fuel their commercial interests as well. So I don't think, 122 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, they would do this interview with just anybody 123 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: and have an air on the local, you know, cable 124 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: access station in Santa Barbara. You know, they made a 125 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: very deliberate choice to do this, frankly, in the biggest 126 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: possible way with you know, the most prominent interviewer of 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: the moment, so that that you know, quote unquote there's 128 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: no payment, but there are there are rewards for doing it. 129 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: Let's kind of like break down some of the key 130 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: things that stood out to us watching the interview. I mean, 131 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: for starters. For me, one, I was like blown away 132 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: by how absolutely like beautiful and stunning and well spoken 133 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: that Megan Marco was. But then I started, you know, 134 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: as the interview started going on, there were certain things 135 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: that she said like she never once googled Harry or 136 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: that she and I was wondering to myself, like what 137 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: is wrong with me? Like i' I don't not even 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: married to a royal and don't you worry I did 139 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: a deep dive into Edwin ARIAV before we got together. 140 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I think I think it's a very funny thing. 141 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: But you know, one thing that to me has made 142 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Megan's unique forever is back to that categorization. I already 143 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: just talked about that. Uh, you know, a moderately successful 144 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: working television actress when she got together with Harry they 145 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: looked because because somebody in her position normally would appear 146 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: on talk shows and game shows and other things to 147 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: fuel her own book. Listening seven years on a series, 148 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: they found one episode where she cooked with Rachel Ray. 149 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: And that's it. That's almost unheard of. That's that shows 150 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: to me, somebody who didn't have a personal publicist, who 151 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: wasn't really interested in pushing herself as a name or 152 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: as a brand or whatever. And in a weird way, 153 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: that made me like her more so. She didn't necessarily 154 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: do press once they started dating, but when opportunities presented itself, 155 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: when she was on suits or a working actress, she 156 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: would do press. So I wonder if what happens is 157 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: once you start dating a royal or a prince or 158 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: whoever it is, are you then immediately told cut the press. 159 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: And I think you know she when she said she 160 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: had always advocated to use her voice, and she stepped 161 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: into a situation where she had to be silenced, and 162 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: that really kind of hit home and and and made 163 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: you realize how lonely and how hard being in that 164 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: setting is. I think oftentimes you see all the glamorous 165 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: aspects of, you know, being in that institution. But you 166 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: don't see the other parts. I mean, even at the 167 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: end of the interview when they asked Harry what he's 168 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: most grateful for and he said that I can go 169 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: on a walk with my son. I was never able 170 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: to do that as a child. Well, yeah, that and 171 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: then this reference that Megan said several times about quote 172 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: unquote the firm. And you know that when when when 173 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: I hear a phrase like the firm, I think of 174 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: some big steely in personal corporation. And so I think 175 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: she's in essence equating that to the monarchy as this 176 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: big steely impersonal. Uh and and and and personal might 177 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: be the key phrase, because I know we talked a 178 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: little earlier about you know this this startling admission that 179 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: she was feeling so blue and so upset and you know, 180 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: you have these thoughts, g would everybody will be better 181 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: off without me? Um? And then and then this was 182 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: the this was another oprah what part where she said, 183 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, I, you know, I tried to speak to 184 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: this and people of the palace, you know, and and 185 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: that her exact phrase was you can't just hop into 186 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: an uber and go to a therapist, but that the 187 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: palace was essentially, you know, I'm paraphrasing, Hey, we don't 188 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: want to hear this. And and you know you can't 189 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: possibly uh seek help or seek treatment because you know 190 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: it looks bad for the firm. And I mean the 191 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: part that's so hard to recognize right there is how 192 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: if somebody has suicidal thoughts, you have to believe them, 193 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: because I that's what I can't wrap my head around 194 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: is you know, you don't know how somebody else is 195 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: feeling unless you step into their shoes. And if she 196 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: has shared with anybody within you know, the firm or 197 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: the institution or whatever word you know it is, or 198 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: I think at one point she even said HR. I 199 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't know that the palace had HR. But the fact 200 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: that she shared that information, how can you not try 201 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: to help at that point? How can you not get 202 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: them help? Like how it's it's heartbreaking to me. Yeah, 203 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: it really is absolutely extraordinary. And you know again and 204 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: this you sort of reference this before. I think on 205 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: the outside, you know, we think, oh my god, she 206 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: has it all. She comes into it with these physical gifts, 207 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: with these obvious talents. Uh, she meets this man who's 208 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: you know, deeply in love with her, She has the 209 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: most amazing wedding ever. Um. And then you know this 210 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: from from that to all of this and to this 211 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: this need and again I'm paraphrasing her words, but to 212 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: escape from all of it and um. And then one 213 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: one comment that I heard this morning, which that was 214 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: very interesting. It's really interesting. You know, we're we're both Yanks, 215 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: we're both Americans. But to hear um, some of the 216 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: Brits react. Uh. And Richard Quest, who's a CNN commentator 217 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: who's very very British. Um, you know, he was just like, 218 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: this is Diana all over again. And you know, people 219 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: didn't believe that, you know, Diana engaged in self harm, 220 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: but she obviously engaged in self harm. And the phrase 221 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: that he used, you know, she threw herself down the stairs, 222 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: all the all the eating things. One other thing that 223 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: I think is really worth mentioning. Um, Teddy, are you 224 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: a big watcher of the Crown or have you you've 225 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: seen any of it? I've seen some of it, and 226 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: I also watched the documentary on Diana. So if you 227 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: watch The Crown this season, which is all about Charles 228 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: and Diana, and this is something that struck me. It's 229 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: it's a particularly good season of the Crown. It's won 230 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: all these awards. The actors playing Charles and Diana are 231 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: are exemplary. But it shows Charles as this extremely cold guy, 232 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: and then it shows Diana as this unbelievably young and 233 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: very very naive girl teenager. And and there's one particular 234 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: episode I would encourage people to watch. It's in the 235 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: fourth season of the cycle that's on Netflix now, where 236 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Charles and Diana take this very public trip to Australia, 237 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: and you know, Charles is not very well thought of, 238 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: and then Diana is beautiful and personable, and the entire 239 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: country flips for Diana, and number one, charles reaction is 240 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: one of the sort of annoyance and jealousy. And then, Um, 241 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: and Teddy, you might have experience this to to a 242 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: degree with with notoriety or notoriety that your father certainly enjoyed. Um, 243 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: you see these crowds just cheering Diana, and slowly but surely, 244 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, she laps it up as as I think 245 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: anybody would. I mean, people are just you know, they're 246 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: just they can't get over it, and they're just freak 247 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: it out, and she's she's handling it really really well, 248 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: and so uh, you know again for for somebody like 249 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Megan Markel, who again had a degree of notoriety but 250 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: nothing like this, and then you start achieving notoriety like that, 251 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: and certainly she traveled with Harry. Um, it's just all 252 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: really heavy stuff. Well, I think you know, they started 253 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: to feel something prior to getting married, because they got 254 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: married three days before, you know, so they could enjoy 255 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: the moment for them. But then also, you know, I 256 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: think Harry spoke about it a little bit last night 257 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: where he said when everybody first met Megan, she had 258 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: a similar you know, the fans had a similar reaction 259 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: that they did that they had to my mother, and 260 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: we knew that with the way that it works out 261 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: with the press and with the other people in the 262 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: royal family, that means that they have to start turning 263 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: on each other. I'm paraphrasing, but essentially that really got 264 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: at me, like if one person is thriving, somebody else 265 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: has to be suffering, right and so okay, in the 266 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: ideal circumstance, and you know that cliche phrase, a rising 267 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: tide raises old boats that you know, if it's good 268 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: for you, it's good for me. But as the as 269 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: the Crown really shows off, and particularly that episode, so 270 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: in that episode world they're getting all this adulation in Australia. Uh, 271 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: the Queen Queen Elizabeth is watching the home movies of 272 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: a trip she took to US Aurelia many many years 273 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: earlier and is basically comparing the crowd size, like you know, 274 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: did you and people, you know, staffers are kind of 275 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: reassuring her, oh mom, you had more people, or oh mom, 276 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, she may have more people, but they love 277 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: you more, and that kind of stuff. It's just so 278 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: one one phrase that is struck with me. And you know, 279 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: you can't quantify this, but certainly X number of people 280 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: have watched The Crown a lot of people. So I 281 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: think people who watched and are immersed in the crowd 282 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: who came to the Oprah interview are seeing it through 283 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: what I described as the lens of the crowd. And 284 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: if you're seeing it through the lens of the Crown, 285 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: then you kind of think ge the monarchy is is 286 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: fairly dysfunctional and they're they're not rooting for one another. 287 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: It is sort of this you know, the Game of 288 00:17:48,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Knives or the Knives out as it were, did you 289 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: think in regards to the Megan and Kate conversation, see that, 290 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really funny because for some reason, 291 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: when that uh purportedly went down of of the various, 292 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: you know, very negative tabloid reports about Megan, I I 293 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: guess I missed that one. So I wasn't really aware 294 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: that anybody had made anybody cry. And then apparently it was, 295 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, uh, a discussion about I guess what the 296 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: bride you know, not the bridesmaids, but the kids in 297 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: the wedding party, what they were gonna wear or who 298 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: was going to participate. So that just seemed like, um, 299 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, lesser stuff to me. But the but 300 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: the one thing is that I would think, and again 301 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: you and I aren't Brits, but is there a natural 302 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: inclination for a traditional brit to like Kate more having 303 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: nothing to do with race, but because Kate is a 304 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: brit through and through and Megan is an American you 305 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: know well especially, I mean, there has to be a 306 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: competitive aspect if from the beginning somebody feels very well 307 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: received and then you know things maybe you know, harmful 308 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: one direction or the other. But I just think that's 309 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: that's the crazy The crazy thing about press is that 310 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: they can skew it whatever way they want to, and 311 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: then those stories feed off of each other absolutely. And 312 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: then one thing that I think cannot be overstated. I 313 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: think it is unfair for you know, you and I 314 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: as as Americans, you know, sitting in southern California. Oh 315 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: my god, they're unbelievably racist in the United Kingdom. But 316 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: I think it is fair to say, and I would say, 317 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: and others have said it, I think the tabloid press 318 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: is unbelievably racist. So I do think that that she 319 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: got a lot, uh Megan, I wish I could be 320 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: more elegant. She got a lot of crap that she 321 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: would not have gotten if you were not by racial 322 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: I agree, and I think Harry Harry spoke to it 323 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: quite well when he said, you know, we we realized 324 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: some things were going to come up for us, but 325 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: that's where we were not. We did not know that 326 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: was going to happen. No matter how much education and 327 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: learning he had personally done, he did not know that 328 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: was coming. But then my question is they kept talking 329 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: about the institution, and Oprah even said, you know, is 330 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: the institution one person or is it people, and it 331 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: was they said something along the lines of one person. 332 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: Actually it's several people, but we went to the main one. 333 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: But who is that person? Is that Prince Charles? See, 334 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know. And then and then 335 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: then one thing that and you know this is this 336 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: is something where I think you and I approached this 337 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: as kind of quote unquote everyday people. We're not royal experts, 338 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: and there certainly are royal experts in Anglo and who 339 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: were like him, completely pulling this out of thin air. 340 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Every royal has you know, three footman servants and two 341 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: social secretaries and you know whatever they have. So though 342 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: that minutia, I don't know, so uh and I don't 343 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: know how big the firm is. Something that was released 344 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: today that he did not have this con the conversation 345 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: with his grandparents regarding skin color Harry that came out 346 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: to post the Oprah interview. But there's nothing about you 347 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: know who that conversation was with. But I do know 348 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: that he wanted to clear that out, that that he 349 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: did not have that conversation with the queen or his grandfather, right, 350 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: and and that in a way this is I don't know, 351 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: sounds a little odd, but but I think Harry, knowing 352 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: if he were to identify a particular person that that 353 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: would in effect ruin that person sort of, you know, 354 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: did that person a favor by by not identifying whoever 355 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: it was, and also by at least clearing the air 356 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: of nothing else uh for his grandparents and and and 357 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: certainly the Queen uh is I don't know, has had 358 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: the longest tenure and was probably the most well regarded 359 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: of all the royals, right, And I mean, I think 360 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: they also talked about how I didn't necessarily realize going in, 361 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: but they had exhausted all the options to try to 362 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: make it work, to try to stay. And I don't 363 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: know that by just my limited knowledge of obviously not 364 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: being an expert in this, that that was the case 365 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: by what I had read, and that they had written 366 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: formal letters, that his dad had stopped returning his phone calls, 367 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: that he had put it in writing exactly what they 368 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: were going to do, and you know it, it just 369 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: became something that just kept spy Areland more and more 370 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: and more and to the point where they really didn't 371 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: have a chat a choice to do anything but ly. 372 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: And but then you know, Obrah asked the question, would 373 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: you have done it without Megan? Would you have laughed? 374 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: And he said, no, oh, for sure. I mean he 375 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: would not have had the necessity, uh to have left. 376 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: And and then the other thing, which I did not 377 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: think got touched upon that much. But and you know 378 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: this is a dramatic word, but look at the betrayal 379 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: from her own father, and look at the betrayal from 380 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: like her evil step sister, who have just been you know, 381 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: online one with the tabloids, you know, from the very 382 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: very beginning. And so you know, you you whatever you get, 383 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: you get involved with Harry. You don't know Harry's family, 384 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's a big prominent family. You know, you 385 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: don't know much else. And then you know your own family, 386 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: your own true flesh, and one just stabs you in 387 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: the back repeatedly, aided by these you know, mean spirited 388 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: British tabloids. That's that's a terrible circumstance. So you you know, 389 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: you you go in pretty wounded just to start. And 390 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: she said, you know, her main thing was she was 391 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: repeatedly told how she was going to be protected. So 392 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: by not doing pressor by not responding or not doing things, 393 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: she was going to be protected, and that turned into 394 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: being her biggest regret was trusting that she was going 395 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: to be protected in this when clearly that was not 396 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: the case, and actually most likely because because one thing 397 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: that does happen is on occasion when a tabloid story 398 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: is so unbelievably outrageous, the palace puts out a statement, 399 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, this isn't true or whatever. And again I'm 400 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: not an expert, but I don't recall any time they 401 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: really stuck up for Megan. And then Megan has filed 402 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: these successful lawsuits. Megan's gone to court on our own 403 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: against the tabloids and has one. But it doesn't seem 404 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, tabloids have been around for a long time. 405 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: The Royals have been around for a long time. You know, 406 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: somebody in Buckey and Palace can pick up a phone 407 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: and talk to somebody and say, hey, stop or this 408 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: has got to be toned down or something. And it 409 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: certainly appears that that did not happen. Yeah. No, I mean, 410 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: especially when they were in you know, playing with the chickens, 411 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: and they were talking and Megan says her reference to 412 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid, like she falls in love with the 413 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: Prince because she has no has no voice, and you know, 414 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: it just it really it's really sad. But then also 415 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: at the end you you see happiness to them because 416 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: they're free, right, And and isn't that interesting how some 417 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: times you know, what, what does every real estate agent say? Location? Location, 418 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: location that? And you know, I'm sure people have done 419 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: this as a result of bad marriages or other decisions 420 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: or career things. You know, sometimes you just get up 421 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: and move and you wake up in a new place 422 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: and everything feels new and different. And you know, anybody 423 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: who's been lucky enough to spend any time there, Monatito 424 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: is about as close to heaven as you can get. 425 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: It looks pretty beautiful last night. I mean they definitely 426 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: when they said when Harry said that he had been 427 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: financially cut off and he had what his mother had 428 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: left him, but that you know, that was it. And 429 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: you know they had Tyler Perry even offer to give 430 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: them security because all security had been cut off, Like 431 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: it's just how can you cut off security? And Harry 432 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: even said it best, he said, I was born into 433 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: this risk. This wasn't a true and that and and 434 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: that's that is startling, And you know, I can't possibly 435 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: do the math. But to have you know, reasonable security, 436 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: I assume is it is a multimillion dollar endeavor because 437 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, you need it all the time. And so 438 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: sure they have signed these unbelievably lucrative deals and that's 439 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: a ton of money, but there are there is a 440 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: ton of expense. So um yeah, that's that. That that 441 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: just that's the one that threw me the most. I 442 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: was like, what be expected not to work or sign 443 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: these deals if they weren't able to have the security 444 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: when there's death threats and they weren't able to get 445 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: the money, So like, don't you then have to work it? No, precisely, 446 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: not only do you have to work, but this is 447 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: something everybody can relate to, you know, quote unquote we 448 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: all have a month be nut. Well again I don't, 449 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, but the monthly nut of twenty four 450 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: hour security for people at that level of fame. He's 451 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars just for that, So you know, 452 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: you've got to be a big owner, I think. And 453 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: especially at they're about to have and they announced that 454 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: they were having a baby girl in the summer, They're 455 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: adding more kids to their family, like the security is 456 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: going to grow, and you want to be able to 457 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: take care of your family financially and protectively. And I 458 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: think you can. You can't even imagine what Harry must 459 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: have gone through as a child. You know, when he 460 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: said he you know, wasn't speaking with his brother anymore. 461 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: You know, they needed space, but they had, they had 462 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: gone through tragedy together. And when he was concerned about 463 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: history repeating himself, that is frightening. And as a mother 464 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: and knowing you know, my husband, and knowing that are 465 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: putting our family and that kind nobody would want to 466 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: do that. I remember very vividly the night that Princess 467 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: Diana was killed in that car crash um in Paris. 468 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: And you may may not remember this, but Tom Cruise, 469 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: whose head was literally gonna leave his body, called CNN screaming, 470 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: and he was like see you know, and I think 471 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: he has an equivalent level of fame, like you know, 472 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: this was absolutely bound to happen, and and and you 473 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: know she is not only under threat and now deceased. 474 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: This is what all of us and he didn't use 475 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: this race at a certain level, but this is what 476 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: all of us face. And this is the fear that 477 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: all of us have, and it was the most compelling, 478 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: gut wrenching phone call because again, this is a very 479 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: very rarefied space, but it is the space occupied by 480 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: people Princess Diana and Harry and because of association with Harry, 481 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: by Megan and their children. Yeah, and I mean, I 482 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: think it's something we see more, not even discussing the 483 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: royal family, but with everybody in the world of influence, 484 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: theer's social media, fame, anything. The number one response you 485 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: get when something goes wrong or when somebody doesn't like 486 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: something about you, is you signed up for this, you 487 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: should put on a fake smile and deal with it. 488 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: Or showing up press and you're in the middle of 489 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: a divorce, or showing up to you know, a red 490 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: carpet and you've just recently had something terrible happened to you. 491 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: They then the response, instead of empathy or instead of understanding, 492 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: is well, this is what you wanted right of that, 493 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: My last question for you is what do you think 494 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: happens now? Well, there's there's one line I really like, 495 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: and I think it's really really good that that this 496 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: is Oprah sort of enabling all of us to accept 497 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: them now as and I'll put this word in quotes 498 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: as Americans that that that that that Oprah has sort 499 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: of laid out this carpet, which you know, was filled 500 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: with difficult conversation and difficult questions, but they've passed and 501 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: they now have sort of the blessing of Opra and 502 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: Opra indicating the interview that she's working with Harry on 503 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: various projects for Apple TV. So uh, you know, it's 504 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: all you know, I I mean, I think there's a 505 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: lot of sad stuff, but I guess and this is just, 506 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, in a media evaluation, I think it is 507 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: a win for the two of them. Well, thank you 508 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: so much. Sam. I know you have to jump, but 509 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and chatting with me as always, 510 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: and I had to talk to you soon. Great Teddy, 511 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks, thanks for listening. Subscribe to radio or 512 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcast.