Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done done.
Speaker 4: Yay, that's messed up.
Speaker 2: An SVU podcast coming to you live JK I am Lee's.
Speaker 1: A Trigger and I'm Kara Klink and we're always in
Speaker 1: a time machine of the little of a small amount,
Speaker 1: you know our podcast. Guys, Unless you're tuning in to
Speaker 1: today's episode, our two hundredth episode for the.
Speaker 4: First time, you know you might be.
Speaker 2: This is a huge day for us, actually runner at
Speaker 2: the episode.
Speaker 1: Huge guests, I'm sure you can assume, yes, if you're
Speaker 1: just tuning in. We talk about we recap an episode
Speaker 1: of SVU, talk about the true crime it's based on,
Speaker 1: and we talked to an amazing guest from the episode.
Speaker 1: Today's no different. But up top, we chat, we rant,
Speaker 1: we talk about what's going on in the world, in
Speaker 1: each other's lives.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't even think we talked about this yet,
Speaker 2: but this is like a fucked up way to start.
Speaker 4: But we are in SU podcast.
Speaker 2: But you obviously heard about this woman that her husband
Speaker 2: was drugging her. Oh, I'm letting the whole town raper.
Speaker 2: And one of the rules is no condoms. People at
Speaker 2: HIV seventy two people in the neighborhood, her neighbor.
Speaker 1: Everyone just was this in France or another country? It
Speaker 1: was in another country? Yeah, yeah, yeah, good yeah, And
Speaker 1: she said, fuck a private trial.
Speaker 2: You see my face. This needs to be like public.
Speaker 2: And I hope they all go to jail. I hope
Speaker 2: he gets the firing squad, and I hope that Why
Speaker 2: isn't this a bigger story?
Speaker 4: Men really need to.
Speaker 2: Like sane if this isn't the most evidence you can
Speaker 2: find of, Like, yes, all men, the whole community was
Speaker 2: against you.
Speaker 4: This man married you and drugging you and let it.
Speaker 4: I just can't. I keep repeating it to try to
Speaker 4: make it make sense. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, a bear is not inviting its friends over
Speaker 1: to take turns on its wife. We're picking the bear again,
Speaker 1: We're picking the bear.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy, it's.
Speaker 1: So great, Like, yeah, I saw that story and that
Speaker 1: was like fritzl level to me almost where I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I need to be in a certain space
Speaker 1: to be able to like fully dive into the story.
Speaker 4: It's too grow it's too horrifying, like so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll change the topic just to quickly. But
Speaker 2: I did have I've been waiting for a long time.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back. I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be my new obsession. But I try to diet coke slushy.
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, I think I saw that in your story.
Speaker 4: Actually a little DC slush It's perfect.
Speaker 2: It's perfect because I feel like with slurpy is in
Speaker 2: a lot of slush, it's like too overpoweringly sweet, you know,
Speaker 2: uh huh. And this isn't because it's fucking die. I
Speaker 2: had coke and it's not super blendy, so it's still
Speaker 2: little chunk.
Speaker 4: It would like I.
Speaker 2: Am taking the train and walking just to get this,
Speaker 2: like I would do that.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: Wow, a destination diet coke slushie? Where is it? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, is it like a chain place or just
Speaker 1: some little place you found that hasn't.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if it's it is little, but
Speaker 2: I think it's doing well. It's called Edith's, okay, But
Speaker 2: I asked when they opened, which was like twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and they started popping off in like twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Is okay, because I lived in that neighborhood for a
Speaker 2: long time and that was not around.
Speaker 1: Got it all right? Yeah, get over there. So excited, Ashy,
Speaker 1: that's exciting. That is exciting. What's going on in La
Speaker 1: Boots on the ground. What's happening here? Well, my birthday
Speaker 1: was last week.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: For the b day messages, I wasn't really gonna do
Speaker 1: a big thing or anything because we had just gone
Speaker 1: to Palm Springs for our friends forty and that was
Speaker 1: kind of like the big thing for the month of
Speaker 1: September for me.
Speaker 4: And I was like, you know what, I'm not really
Speaker 4: doing a lot for my birthday.
Speaker 1: But Lisa sent me beautiful flowers in that's messed up
Speaker 1: colors everybody, which I will take a picture of it.
Speaker 2: There was the story you see one hot pink thing
Speaker 2: in there? If I'm going off the photo, but I
Speaker 2: know you like hot pink. I was trying, well, no,
Speaker 2: there was when I saw the picture, Oh okay something. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I feel bad that I said something negative because I do.
Speaker 2: I think the the local floorist in your neighborhood is
Speaker 2: incredible and I was happy I thought they were, And honestly,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you without I'm not complimenting you to for
Speaker 2: any kind of brownie points.
Speaker 1: Rosie goes, this is the best one, and I go
Speaker 1: those are Lisa's. She was definitely weighing in. Although my
Speaker 1: brought me some beautiful flowers my parents. But it was nice.
Speaker 1: But like, so my friend and I we swapped days
Speaker 1: where I watched her kids. So her and her husband
Speaker 1: go out for her birthday a couple weeks before, and
Speaker 1: then she was watching my kids. She knows my kids.
Speaker 1: My kids go to bed. There's the same shit every night.
Speaker 1: Usually Rosie goes right to bed, and Oscar will come
Speaker 1: out a couple times to be like, did.
Speaker 4: You know that alicorns or unicorns that can also fly?
Speaker 1: Like He'll come out with some dumb little thing and
Speaker 1: then you walk them back to bed. He maybe does
Speaker 1: that two or three times, and that's it.
Speaker 4: I go out.
Speaker 1: First of all, you were in the car with me
Speaker 1: when our friend recommended this restaurant to me. She goes,
Speaker 1: go to this restaurant, a Pasiting and it's so fod.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Kara, you told me ahead of time that
Speaker 2: there was no reservations, and I know for a fact
Speaker 2: this is not something that you can handle.
Speaker 4: But she got it.
Speaker 1: No, of course it sound like she made it sound like,
Speaker 1: even if you have to wait for forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: you go across the street and get a drink.
Speaker 4: It was a two hour wait, two hour waight that's
Speaker 4: Friday night? Yeah, I know. So I was like I
Speaker 4: should have wait.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I should have been a better friend and been like,
Speaker 2: are you sure you don't want to make a backup preservation?
Speaker 4: Because I know you're right, not for you. And I
Speaker 4: can't believe I did it.
Speaker 1: I think I was just like I didn't want to
Speaker 1: think about anything for the birthday, did it.
Speaker 4: I was just like, yeah, we'll just go try this place.
Speaker 4: If it doesn't work whatever. So we go.
Speaker 1: They're like two hourweight. I'm like, all right, never mind,
Speaker 1: we'll go somewhere else. So I'm on Rezie, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find another place to go. My friend is texting me, going, hey,
Speaker 1: So they're both screaming for you and it's been fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: Is there some kind of trick?
Speaker 1: And I go what, like they never do that, They're
Speaker 1: never like, you know, I go out of town. I
Speaker 1: go out all the time, Like they don't. They don't
Speaker 1: ever do that. So I go, let me FaceTime you.
Speaker 1: So I'm on the streets facetiming my kids in.
Speaker 4: The book going we want you? Where are you?
Speaker 1: I go, you, guys, this is my birthday. This is
Speaker 1: not fair. But they're three and five. You can't really
Speaker 1: reason with them like that. And I'm like, okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: They won't stop. They won't stop to listen to me.
Speaker 1: They won't stop. So I go, all right, I guess
Speaker 1: we're coming home. So we go home and the minute
Speaker 1: I walk in the door, I can see them on
Speaker 1: their little cameras. They're asleep. They're both asleep. So I
Speaker 1: walk in the door. My friend is like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I just there was nothing. They were feeding off each other.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't stop. And I was like, okay, is it
Speaker 1: okay if we go back out? And she was like, no,
Speaker 1: of course, go out. So now it's just an hour
Speaker 1: of the night has been sidetracked. So we ended up
Speaker 1: going out someplace in Silver Lake and it was fun,
Speaker 1: and I was going to go to James o'domian's album
Speaker 1: release and I was like, honestly, I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: emotionally exhausted after but it was at acbar where you
Speaker 1: and I did learn the words bitch, which is a
Speaker 1: gay bar on the What.
Speaker 4: Did you eat? Was this still Italian? What did you have?
Speaker 4: An impossible?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So we went to Marco Polo.
Speaker 1: We went to Marco Polo at the Silver Lake Hotel,
Speaker 1: Silver Lake Pool and Hotel or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and our friend had been there before, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I think, I know, this place seems like pretty good.
Speaker 1: And they had they had vodka pasta. You know, they
Speaker 1: had vodka sauce pasta, and that's kind of my my kryptonite.
Speaker 1: So I was like, we'll go there. So it was
Speaker 1: nice and we were able to like kind of reset
Speaker 1: the night. But I was like, I was like cursing
Speaker 1: my children on my way to the car. It was like,
Speaker 1: these little fuckers are ruining my birthday. And then I
Speaker 1: get home and they're just little sleeping angels.
Speaker 2: Like, well, I thought it. I mean, this is your
Speaker 2: friend doing you a favor, so it's fine. As a
Speaker 2: former professional child's care tape, I would never have called
Speaker 2: the parents after only fifteen minutes of screaming. So I
Speaker 2: hope she's not a listener, because that's my opinion.
Speaker 1: She's not and I was a little bit thinking that,
Speaker 1: but I was also like, I was.
Speaker 4: Here to tell you as a professional. She is there like.
Speaker 1: Her daughter and my daughter are friends. I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, maybe she's being too nice.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I was like, you got to just
Speaker 4: tell them to shut the hell up. I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's obviously not how I disciplined my children.
Speaker 2: Everybody, but like, well, no, because there was one time
Speaker 2: where you had to go, you know, to the Christmas pageants.
Speaker 2: You know, Jared had to be a work something was happening.
Speaker 2: So I stayed with Oscar and everyone was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, can you do it? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll ignore him while he screams and he will stop
Speaker 2: and yeah did.
Speaker 4: And he did, Yeah, and he did.
Speaker 2: And I ate my you know McDonald's as I watched
Speaker 2: him scream for a little bit and then he stopped.
Speaker 1: He was quiet, and when I got home, he was
Speaker 1: just sitting there watching TV and glancing at Lisa once
Speaker 1: in a while and having a time.
Speaker 2: It was fine. Yeah, I was totally fine. I just
Speaker 2: feel like if it was an hour, maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, Like, especially because they're three and five,
Speaker 1: like they're verbal It's not like it's like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: let a little tiny baby cry for an hour because
Speaker 1: you do, something could be wrong or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: they're verbal, they can be like my ankle's broken, you know,
Speaker 1: like whatever. So they were just putting on a show
Speaker 1: for her because the next day, you can better believe.
Speaker 1: We had a little family meeting first thing, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that will not happen again, Like you will
Speaker 1: not be doing that. I have to go out sometimes,
Speaker 1: I have to go out and work. They get a
Speaker 1: babysitter every Wednesday when I go out and do my show.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you guys had a babysitter two nights ago.
Speaker 4: What the hell? They also had a babysitter while we
Speaker 4: were out of town for I know.
Speaker 1: They love that babysitter. This was them putting on a
Speaker 1: little show. They were just kind of like when they
Speaker 1: realize I think that she was gonna FaceTime. Maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have even done the FaceTime, like I just felt
Speaker 1: because it was supposed to be easy, Like when I
Speaker 1: do it for her. Her kids are five and seven,
Speaker 1: I don't even see them. They're not even around. They're
Speaker 1: in bed. When I get there, I watched them and
Speaker 1: I don't know who this is. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've met her.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I was thinking of a fully different
Speaker 2: friend this whole time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now I would have told you if it
Speaker 1: was somebody that you know as well. You don't know
Speaker 1: this person, and I don't even think I met them
Speaker 1: in passing, but we do swaps every now and then, and.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna think I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to give.
Speaker 1: It a little break. She seemed traumatized too. When I
Speaker 1: got home, I was like, are you okay if we
Speaker 1: go back out? She was like, yeahs long? Are they asleep?
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're asleep. I can see them on the
Speaker 1: camp sleep. It's like maybe for birthdays. I only do
Speaker 1: now paid babysitters where I can be like your problem,
Speaker 1: I'm paying you to deal with it.
Speaker 2: But well, because I had a big pasta moment, I
Speaker 2: finally made it to chat Chelsea Cafe. I'm part of
Speaker 2: the Chelsea Hotel and I wanted to try this flat ravioli.
Speaker 1: She saw it on your fucking story and was so,
Speaker 1: I guess so good.
Speaker 2: I guess this is like mac and cheese for kids
Speaker 2: in France is what I heard, Like, this is like
Speaker 2: an afterschool easy dish that the kids eat, but it's
Speaker 2: a ravioli. She and I would say, it's like it
Speaker 2: felt it was the comfort of a buttered noodle.
Speaker 4: And it's a cheese filling. It's a cheesy ravioli.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I was so good I
Speaker 1: was getting hammered. I had it looks like it has
Speaker 1: like a catch to a pepe sauce on it or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just looked awesome when I saw it.
Speaker 2: So basically I had an insane Saturday where obviously, oh no,
Speaker 2: it wasn't Saturday. Was it was Friday? Not that it
Speaker 2: fucking matters, So like's no Friday. I go to soul
Speaker 2: Cycle in the morning. For some reason, it just took
Speaker 2: to me. I was so tired. I was just like
Speaker 2: I had to nap. So I ended up napping after
Speaker 2: soul Cycle. By the time I woke up in the afternoon,
Speaker 2: I had plans to meet a friend at like fourish,
Speaker 2: so I was like, well, I'm just not gonna eat.
Speaker 2: It's two we're gonna eat in a couple hours. I'll
Speaker 2: just you know, see him when I see him. And
Speaker 2: then my friends are like, we're actually doing a happy
Speaker 2: hour at this other place, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: we'll meet you later. So I meet my friend at
Speaker 2: an empty stomach. I do have two margaritas immediately and
Speaker 2: we and we smoke a joint. Let's be real, So
Speaker 2: like I meet my friend, we smoke a joint. I
Speaker 2: have two margarita's. I am sauced as fuck. So then
Speaker 2: he needs to go do some shopping errands, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's go. So we're like hammered shopping through the streets.
Speaker 2: We need a piece, so we take a shot somewhere.
Speaker 2: I've still not eaten, not not one bit of food,
Speaker 2: and so then I meet our friends at the Commodore
Speaker 2: and then I I finally eat, but I'm also still
Speaker 2: just drinking more so like I'm drinking, I'm eating. And
Speaker 2: then I have four spots that night, one of which
Speaker 2: is at one fifty five am. So it's not like
Speaker 2: and I started early wildly. I usually don't start around nine,
Speaker 2: but like, so it was just sammer.
Speaker 4: I had to run to my first spot at nine.
Speaker 2: So in between like my earlier and my later, I
Speaker 2: had this buttered noodle ravioli coucio Pepe, sheet pepe, whatever.
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 2: I had a food video and I was people are saying,
Speaker 2: I'm misgendering the meat. I didn't know how to say Mortadella.
Speaker 2: I kept saying Mordidella, Mortadello, and I guess.
Speaker 1: Yes, mister hearing the meat Mordandella.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kept like switching it back and forth.
Speaker 4: I don't know that would tickle you.
Speaker 1: So that's so funny. I'm sorry, that's really funny to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, what is this? This sa Salamo Like we're
Speaker 1: just making We're just changing meats here and there.
Speaker 2: I love it, okay, so but yeah, so it was
Speaker 2: like a wild Friday. And then I finally I think
Speaker 2: got home at like two something three in the morning
Speaker 2: from all the spots.
Speaker 1: Wow, and all your spots went well and every day
Speaker 1: because I've been not that you were too too drunk
Speaker 1: because you ate and everything, but like I always remember
Speaker 1: being like, oh god, no, I'm like you get on
Speaker 1: stage and you're like, fuck, I'm drunk, Like, id No.
Speaker 4: I wasn't drunk. I was tired. I was just like tired,
Speaker 4: like yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just uh and I was smart and we
Speaker 2: it was just like, uh, my friend I ran into
Speaker 2: that night. He said that I lived my life like
Speaker 2: a teen who just won the lottery or something, or
Speaker 2: like they're like, parents are out of town, it's time
Speaker 2: to live it up. And I'm like, no, I've been
Speaker 2: recuperating for days. Oh god, oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 2: I went to a backgammon night last night.
Speaker 4: Oh you did.
Speaker 2: I finally did. I went by myself. Yeah, I did it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll go again. I'll go again.
Speaker 1: Backcamm In, you tried to briefly just show me how
Speaker 1: to do it at at the Palm Springs.
Speaker 4: Well, I was like watching you and my ohone.
Speaker 1: You guys were kind of like, well, you just have
Speaker 1: to do this, and I was like, it's not computing
Speaker 1: for me. So I'm like, maybe Domino's is my thing
Speaker 1: that you're gonna actually teach me. And I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: because I don't think. I don't know if I see
Speaker 1: it for backcammon, I see it, I see it. But
Speaker 1: what were you gonna say?
Speaker 2: Cause I don't have actually any fun like tales from backgammon. Well,
Speaker 2: actually it was it was like in midtown it was
Speaker 2: very impossible to get to barricades. Everywhere, cops are everywhere.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. And then afterwards, I was
Speaker 2: a little sauced, called a friend and they figured.
Speaker 4: Out that all the UN world leaders are meeting. Oh
Speaker 4: and I had the UN fuck it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was you in General Assembly and there's all
Speaker 1: this stuff about how it's the worst traffic week in
Speaker 1: New York. And I was almost like, I'll text Lisa
Speaker 1: and tell her, like, by the way, it's you in
Speaker 1: General Assembly, Traffic's gonna be bad. And I was like,
Speaker 1: she's gonna be like, she's gonna be like you think
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: So I didn't text you. No, I had no idea.
Speaker 2: And I had just gotten stopped a few months earlier
Speaker 2: or a month earlier, I don't remember. Time is weird,
Speaker 2: but for Biden's motorcade and we weren't allowed to cross
Speaker 2: or anything. So I was like, no, we're allowed to
Speaker 2: walk on these but it's it was like three full blocks.
Speaker 4: I take the train anyways. But yeah, I was finally, yeah,
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: It's a crazy weekend in New York, like I remember,
Speaker 1: or days in New York. I don't know, it's like
Speaker 1: how many days it is, but like it's crazy. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, last night I finished Secret
Speaker 1: Lives of Mormon Wives. Oh wow, So I finished shit
Speaker 1: And yeah, I was really fucking hooked the whole time.
Speaker 1: And I'm still making my way through the Bear. But
Speaker 1: I'm not interested the Bear. I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: watch season three.
Speaker 2: Maybe when season four comes out and that's really good,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, Okay, I have two things to like
Speaker 2: power Through. I didn't like the trailer. I didn't like
Speaker 2: the direction they were going. I'm not interested. I'd rather
Speaker 2: be in the fantasy of season two of like wow,
Speaker 2: they did it like I like that.
Speaker 1: I don't need him becoming a freak. But oh, I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I haven't even seen season three's trailer. Wait,
Speaker 1: what's my watching?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like I've said too much.
Speaker 1: No, what season in my wa not like City premiered
Speaker 1: like that was a big I know when I haven't
Speaker 1: watched it yet.
Speaker 4: It's staying on my DVR, but I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 4: Watched it twice.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty happy I did call Spectrum to quit cable.
Speaker 1: I want everyone to know because everyone's always like, wow,
Speaker 1: you still pay for cable, and I did. I was
Speaker 1: able to, through my threats to quit, talk them down
Speaker 1: to where I'm paying like thirty dollars a month for
Speaker 1: cable now, So I'm staying with cable for a while.
Speaker 1: So I have my own Bravo and I've got my
Speaker 1: DVR so that I won't like lose track of Bravo
Speaker 1: because that is what keeps me on track. That they're
Speaker 1: sitting right there, I'm not watching the Dubai things. Wait,
Speaker 1: Salt Lake's back and is New York back already?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, coming up, coming up right. Yeah, we'll give
Speaker 1: you a full lowdown once. Yeah today, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess we can get into our a.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is our I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 4: else like. I mean, well, thanks everyone for listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you know a lot of people we meet
Speaker 2: on the road say they're day one listeners. They heard
Speaker 2: the ad on my favorite murder. Some people have just
Speaker 2: joined to some people you know, are watching us to
Speaker 2: be with us starting from the beginning. Let's yeah, it's
Speaker 2: all great. I'm babbling because I'm empty by the listeners. Yes,
Speaker 2: we love We're on tour, come see us live.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, it's this episode is coming out on October first,
Speaker 1: and in two weeks basically we start our Spooky season
Speaker 1: tour where we're going to be in Denver, Phoenix, San Diego,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, LA, and Portland. So if you live in
Speaker 1: any of those places, go to That's messed Up live
Speaker 1: dot Com. We just ordered a bunch of very cool
Speaker 1: tour only merch, so it's really fun stuff that you
Speaker 1: can only buy if you come see us live. So yeah,
Speaker 1: come out and see us, and That's messed Up Live
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Speaker 1: and Lisa's tour dates and everything else you need for
Speaker 1: any information about either of us, and yeah, we you.
Speaker 1: Some of you may remember that this episode we're about
Speaker 1: to do today was our very first live show that
Speaker 1: we did at Dynasty Typewriter, So we're doing it again,
Speaker 1: we're doing it different, and we've got a killer guest,
Speaker 1: So don't.
Speaker 4: Go away, guys.
Speaker 1: Today we are doing for our two hundredth episode, Bear
Speaker 1: Bear Bear Beer. We are doing PC a fan favorite.
Speaker 1: You guys have asked us to do this one. We
Speaker 1: were obviously holding out for reasons that you can imagine.
Speaker 1: We're resolved and we've done this episode at a couple
Speaker 1: of live shows, So if you saw it there, I
Speaker 1: would say, still listen today, we've probably got new takes,
Speaker 1: new jokes. And this episode is from season eleven, episode thirteen,
Speaker 1: and yeah, from back in twenty ten, and it starts
Speaker 1: out with a couple stumbling out of a bar, laughing
Speaker 1: like comically loudly. They are having the time in their lives.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, we're young and drunken in love.
Speaker 1: And she's like, Steve, let's take a pick, and she
Speaker 1: whips out her BlackBerry so she can take a cute
Speaker 1: grainy shot to upload a Facebook And just as the
Speaker 1: guy corrects her that his name is Scott, which I love,
Speaker 1: they are absolutely about to go home and fuck and
Speaker 1: I love it until chaos. A man runs by her,
Speaker 1: grabs her phone and takes off. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: twenty ten. I had a BlackBerry around that time. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're what the street value is for
Speaker 1: a BlackBerry, but this guy is trying to get it,
Speaker 1: so he runs takes off. A cop happens to be
Speaker 1: right there and he's like, stop, don't move, and he
Speaker 1: gives chase. This police officer is chasing this man through
Speaker 1: alley's a little obstacle. Course, he has his gun drawn,
Speaker 1: and I guess my thing is, yes, robbing people is bad,
Speaker 1: but no one deserves to be shot to death over
Speaker 1: a BlackBerry. And that's kind of where a lot of
Speaker 1: the problem is with the police. Like I would say,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, lady, sorry, I ran a couple blocks,
Speaker 1: I couldn't find him. Call your insurance, get a new phone,
Speaker 1: like it's a one hundred bucks.
Speaker 4: Probably.
Speaker 1: As the guy corners the guy in the back of
Speaker 1: the alley behind some gate, the purp actually comes out
Speaker 1: and he goes, okay, okay, I stole the phone, but
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. He drops the phone on the ground,
Speaker 1: and he takes off the cop like has his flashlight,
Speaker 1: looks and he sees a ton of blood splattered on
Speaker 1: this like linoleum floor, and it's leading to the body
Speaker 1: of a dead woman, and he goes, holy god. And
Speaker 1: then he calls for a bus, and just as he
Speaker 1: tells dispatch, I think she's already dead, she gasps for air.
Speaker 1: So fuck, she is actually alive. I do appreciate a
Speaker 1: little trick like that. He asks who did that?
Speaker 2: So that just always reminds me of the sloth guy
Speaker 2: from seven.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yes, when you're like, there's no possible way
Speaker 1: this guy's alive, and then he's like, yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: So the guy asked the police officer that with the flashlight,
Speaker 1: who was about to shoot a phone thief, was like.
Speaker 4: Who did this to you?
Speaker 1: And she goes Mitch, Mitch, like she's spattering out the
Speaker 1: word Mitch, and then you know, she can't really say
Speaker 1: much because her throat is fully slashed.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I mentioned that.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the hospital and the cop is
Speaker 1: beson is stable or white, female, mid twenties, no purse,
Speaker 1: no id, panties are gone. Sorry I said that. She
Speaker 1: was found in an empty restaurant, bruising on her thighs.
Speaker 1: Her throat is sliced. And they roll up to uh,
Speaker 1: surfer doctor dude. We've talked about him before. He is
Speaker 1: a doctor who clearly looks like you should be hanging
Speaker 1: ten in Malibu instead, he's a doctor in like the
Speaker 1: er in Manhattan. And he's like, they're like, who talked
Speaker 1: to the victim and he's like, big, done, done, Sorry,
Speaker 1: you can't.
Speaker 4: She is dead.
Speaker 1: So the victim has passed and the detectives all look
Speaker 1: stunned and sad.
Speaker 4: This job never.
Speaker 1: Gets easier, and Marishka does have a long bob, which
Speaker 1: Lisa has mentioned might be one of her favorite hairstyles
Speaker 1: of Marishka's, of Olivia Benson's time, and I'm, you.
Speaker 2: Know, against the patriarchy, but I like most of her
Speaker 2: more feminine hairdoos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it when the locks are flowing and highlighted.
Speaker 1: And yes, I even like a sumher of some hare
Speaker 1: with bangs. You know, I'm like in those days too.
Speaker 1: So top of act one, Benson is Stabler head to
Speaker 1: the scene of the crime. They're looking for the murder weapon.
Speaker 1: The cops couldn't find the underwear. It's literally hanging from
Speaker 1: a chair across the room. So I don't know why
Speaker 1: that was such a big mystery. They're right there, Benson says, Oh,
Speaker 1: Mitch must have been filled with rage, whoever this Mitch
Speaker 1: guy is, and Stabler's like, okay, there's empty beer bottles
Speaker 1: and candles, so Benson's like, do you think maybe it
Speaker 1: started out as a cheap date And then Benson notices
Speaker 1: literally the writing on the wall. There is a pentagram
Speaker 1: that looks like it's written with dripping blood and it's
Speaker 1: like the number six sixty six and upside down cross
Speaker 1: and all that shit.
Speaker 4: Bary Hail Satan.
Speaker 1: So now we're back at the precinct and Finn has
Speaker 1: done some legwork to track down the symbol and it's
Speaker 1: linked to a singer of a.
Speaker 4: Death metal band.
Speaker 1: Like they're like, oh, it's just like heavy metal, and
Speaker 1: he goes, no, like death metal like Black Sabbath or
Speaker 1: Judas Priest, but sicker and more violent. And this is
Speaker 1: kind of a fun little tie in because I see is,
Speaker 1: of course the lead singer of a heavy metal band
Speaker 1: called body Count, so he gets to have a little
Speaker 1: fun talking about metal for a moment. Anyway, they are
Speaker 1: looking at a video of this goth man with vampire
Speaker 1: fangs and his name is Trey Greenway, because what a
Speaker 1: scary vampire named Trey Greenway, and he just uploaded a
Speaker 1: music video that was for sure shot at this crime scene.
Speaker 1: The victim is not to be found in the video,
Speaker 1: but Finn's like, well, she could have been the opening
Speaker 1: act or the cool down, like after he's all, you know,
Speaker 1: revved up from doing his video and stablers like I
Speaker 1: kind of doubt it. This guy looks like he's in
Speaker 1: it for the shock value and the fame, not murder.
Speaker 1: But Trey does have a record, so we could go
Speaker 1: check him out. Melinda's report confirms that there was a
Speaker 1: sexual assault, but no fibers, no prints, no fluids, so
Speaker 1: not great for evidence. Craigan suggests, let's start a face
Speaker 1: union page for our Jane Doe and hope it goes viral.
Speaker 1: What a wild thing to pop up in your people
Speaker 1: you may know section, Just the dead photo of a
Speaker 1: woman that's like, Hi, I'm Jane Doe.
Speaker 4: Want to poke me?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: What a weird fucking thing for Craigan to suggest.
Speaker 1: Also feels very old, like let's start a face union
Speaker 1: page and hope it goes viral. People's social media pages
Speaker 1: don't really go viral. I mean, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You get a lot of followers or friends,
Speaker 1: I guess, but that's not the same thing.
Speaker 4: So then Benson says, and Elliot.
Speaker 1: And I will go track down count Chocula, which I
Speaker 1: do think is funny to call this wanna be vampire
Speaker 1: count Chocula. So now they're at Trey Greenway's place in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and it's a candle explosion, there's candles everywhere, white
Speaker 1: sheets draped everywhere. Benson comes in with another killer line.
Speaker 1: This guy's single handedly keeping Peer one in business, and
Speaker 1: I love that as a former Peer one devotee Rip
Speaker 1: Pier one. They hear intense screaming and whip out their guns,
Speaker 1: and there's a woman in a purple bra and her
Speaker 1: arms are tied up above her head and a man
Speaker 1: is biting her neck. So some vampire sex play is
Speaker 1: happening here. So now we cut to the precinct where
Speaker 1: they're trying to bring Trent in and he's all like, wait,
Speaker 1: a vampire cannot enter a room unless he invited, and
Speaker 1: Stable just shoves him into the room and goes, there's
Speaker 1: your invitation. This episode really is truly full of laughs,
Speaker 1: and we haven't even gotten to the main part yet.
Speaker 4: That's funny.
Speaker 1: This guy thinks he's like a vampire prince and he
Speaker 1: calls Stabler a human like, very disdainfully like.
Speaker 4: He keeps going okay, human like, it's so.
Speaker 1: Funny, and Stabler goes, all right, ask clown, if you
Speaker 1: were a vampire, you couldn't see your reflections and he
Speaker 1: stands him in front of the mirrored glass. Then the
Speaker 1: guy waits like a beat and then he thinks fast
Speaker 1: and he goes, I do not see a reflection, and
Speaker 1: it's like sure, jam. So Benson is with the goth
Speaker 1: girl now in another room. You know, they've got the
Speaker 1: vampire in cement room bars, they've got the poor vampire
Speaker 1: girl victim in Blind's regular room, right, and so filing
Speaker 1: cabinet blinds, what are we calling that room?
Speaker 4: I forgot?
Speaker 1: Benson is like, so, what was going on? And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: he wasn't attacking me. I love it. He's helping me
Speaker 1: transition from CI to sang. Benson kink shames her a
Speaker 1: little bit, and she like, is like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about. She's like, well, I feed off psychic energy
Speaker 1: of others. But Trey has already elevated to a Sang vampire.
Speaker 1: And Benson's like as in sanguine, which is you know,
Speaker 1: having to do with blood, and she calls him her
Speaker 1: master and she is his willing victim. But she really
Speaker 1: does sound like a scare drone, like she's the girl
Speaker 1: is playing it funny, like she's playing it well, like
Speaker 1: because she's like, no, he.
Speaker 4: Is my master and I'm willing. I'm willing.
Speaker 1: No I want to do this, Like she definitely feels
Speaker 1: like she's like, I'm in too far, but whatever, and
Speaker 1: then in amazing editing, Benson throws down the photo of
Speaker 1: Jane Doe and then it opens up on Stabler like
Speaker 1: also throwing down the photo of Jane Doe, and the
Speaker 1: vampire goes, if you must know human, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: I've never even seen the victim. I wasn't even in
Speaker 1: the building that night. I was auditioning bands for my
Speaker 1: upcoming tour and I was shredding with them in the
Speaker 1: Bronx all night. So the blood from the wall, the
Speaker 1: girl is like, I gave that to him as an offering, and.
Speaker 4: It turns out it's not even her blood. Dude.
Speaker 1: She works at a blood bank and she steals bags
Speaker 1: of blood for this dude, so blood that people are
Speaker 1: donating to give to victims of like car crashes and blood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm giving blood.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get blood on the rag and if
Speaker 1: some stupid bitch is giving it to her vampire boyfriend,
Speaker 1: I'm pissed.
Speaker 4: The Red Cross better have safeguards against that.
Speaker 1: So Benson like hates this and is like, yo, bitch,
Speaker 1: this is a crime and she's like, I know, but
Speaker 1: he can't bite Randoms because he's really scared of getting HIV.
Speaker 1: And plus the sex is super hot, So we're getting
Speaker 1: to the bottom of why this girl is in this situation.
Speaker 1: This guy, apparently, this vampire has good dick. So back
Speaker 1: at the office, this all checks out and has been
Speaker 1: a total waste of time, except for the fact that
Speaker 1: has been kind of hilarious. Craigimblows and saying that they've
Speaker 1: discovered that the victim had a clotting disorder called Stuart
Speaker 1: Prower deficiency, so the murder itself may have been unintentional.
Speaker 1: There was rust found in the laceration, so it's possible
Speaker 1: that she got cut while she was being yanked into
Speaker 1: the bill and that murder like wasn't the primary motive,
Speaker 1: and Benson's like, well, it still is murder, and then
Speaker 1: gives this horrific example of a girl having an asthma
Speaker 1: attack while being raped and she died, and like, I
Speaker 1: have asthma and now I'm scared of that happening. But suddenly,
Speaker 1: as they're having this conversation, about a dozen women walk
Speaker 1: in silently just holding a picture of the Jane Doe
Speaker 1: flier that says do you know me? And Craigan is like, hey, ladies,
Speaker 1: if there's a problem, we would really help if someone
Speaker 1: could talk. And then we hear a familiar voice from
Speaker 1: the back of the crowd going, you're damn right, there's
Speaker 1: a problem, and it's Kathy Griffin marching forward in bangs
Speaker 1: and an attitude, and she goes, this woman's name is
Speaker 1: Alyssa Davies and she's one more lesbian who is dead
Speaker 1: because of the NYPD. And then dramatic music stings and
Speaker 1: we're like, what is happening? So we open on act two,
Speaker 1: it's Kathy Griffin going quote where Dyke's we're pissed and
Speaker 1: we're not leaving till we get results, which is not
Speaker 1: a good catchphrase. And I really thought lesbians were better
Speaker 1: at rhyming. Craigan goes, so you're the leader, and Kathy
Speaker 1: Griffin goes, nothing gets by you, Curly, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: already dying calling Cat bald q ball Captain Craig and
Speaker 1: Curly is so funny. She introduces herself as Bab's duffy, President,
Speaker 1: founder and spokeswoman for lesbistrong dot com, which Benson has
Speaker 1: heard of but she made the mistake of calling it
Speaker 1: a gay rights group, and Babs corrects her, it's a
Speaker 1: lesbian rights only no other rights are allowed. Babs calls
Speaker 1: the cops clowns, and Craigan is like, hold up, we
Speaker 1: actually love the LGBT community, and uh oh, he did
Speaker 1: not include the QIA, and Babs is not gonna let
Speaker 1: him forget it. Sabler knows LGBTT, but what's the QIA.
Speaker 1: She fills in questioning intersects and allies and says, stay
Speaker 1: with me. To Bent to Sabler like, I know you're
Speaker 1: a dumb, idiot white man, but here's what they all
Speaker 1: stand for.
Speaker 4: Now. This is something I mentioned in last week's episode
Speaker 4: that we.
Speaker 1: Were talking about. We were talking about kind of older language.
Speaker 1: A is stands for a sexual in LGBTQIA, but I
Speaker 1: remember also thinking that it was allies, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: did I make that mistake or did SVU teach me that?
Speaker 1: When did I learn that? And so apparently in the
Speaker 1: eighties A stood for ally among other definitions like a
Speaker 1: sexual agender, so that closeted people could attend rallies, meetings,
Speaker 1: events and stuff without fear. But the community has since
Speaker 1: moved away from that, and nobody wants to include allies
Speaker 1: in Lgbtquia like they're like.
Speaker 4: We're a marginalized community.
Speaker 1: You don't get to be part of our acronym just
Speaker 1: for being nice to gay people. So it apparently no
Speaker 1: longer stands for ally, but a lot of older generations
Speaker 1: still think that. So here we see the beginning of
Speaker 1: a beautiful enemy ship between Babs and Stabler. Okay, Stabler said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a tough time keeping up with political correct
Speaker 1: and then Bob goes, all I'm getting from you is
Speaker 1: your pis poor patriarchal attitude. So take it down to
Speaker 1: notch Jack web And I looked up Jack Webb, who
Speaker 1: is an old actor from Dragnet, so I guess this
Speaker 1: is also an extremely old reference. Olivia steps up and
Speaker 1: talks all about the alliances that the NYPD has with
Speaker 1: gay organization, and Babs is like, blah blah blah, it's
Speaker 1: all bullshit and calls Olivia out for being part of
Speaker 1: the heteronormative paradigm. So Babs is on one.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then they get back to the victim, Melissa. Babbs explains
Speaker 1: that she is the latest victim in an epidemic of attacks, rapes,
Speaker 1: and murders of lesbians in the city. Craigan and Liver
Speaker 1: are like, well, we have the stats and this isn't
Speaker 1: an epidemic or even a pattern that we've noticed, and
Speaker 1: Bab says, well, I'm here to open your eyes. But
Speaker 1: Stabler wants to cut to the chase. He's like, did
Speaker 1: you know this woman? And Babs goes, oh, yeah, because
Speaker 1: all lesbians are lovers. Because if two lesbians know each other,
Speaker 1: the next thing, they're in their bron panties. Going down
Speaker 1: like the Titanic, I mean, shoot, all the writing Emmys
Speaker 1: over to the cast for season eleven and I'm loving this.
Speaker 4: So well, my thing is it's Kathy. It's Krathy Griffin success.
Speaker 2: So it's like, but it's as to you, it's a
Speaker 2: serious Yeah, so I am curious at the improverse all writing.
Speaker 2: And did Neil Baar play a heavier hand than normal
Speaker 2: in this episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I have a lot of questions for sure, And yes.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions, but going down like
Speaker 1: the Titanic is like a really to me. It's a
Speaker 1: very clever way of being able to also get it
Speaker 1: on NBC because you're not saying going down on each other,
Speaker 1: You're saying going down like the Titanic. Like it's a
Speaker 1: clever way, I think to get talking about oral sex
Speaker 1: very graphically on network television. So Stabler cannot believe this woman,
Speaker 1: and Babs is just staring daggers at him. She says
Speaker 1: she wants to come with them to notify the next
Speaker 1: of Cannon. Stabler's like, fuck, no, we will arrest you
Speaker 1: and then all your followers will hear that you're the
Speaker 1: problem and not the solution. And so Babs finally reveals
Speaker 1: that this woman's girlfriend is a woman named Sharon Harris
Speaker 1: and gives her her exact address with apartment number that
Speaker 1: she has memorized. So in the next scene, and we're
Speaker 1: seeing a video of Alyssa from when she was alive
Speaker 1: and her girlfriend Sharon is watching it looking forlorn as
Speaker 1: fuck and Sharon says, she was the love of my life.
Speaker 1: We were engaged. They asked her, do you know anyone
Speaker 1: named Mitch?
Speaker 4: She doesn't.
Speaker 1: She denies knowing anyone with that name, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know many men. And Sharon tells Olivia that
Speaker 1: she works at a lesbian bar called The Kiddy corner
Speaker 1: and Alyssa stopped in Tuesday night at eight o'clock in
Speaker 1: a great mood. She had some drinks and she left,
Speaker 1: and that was two days ago. And they're like, weren't
Speaker 1: you worried? And she's like, no, because sometimes she would
Speaker 1: just get struck with an idea for a piece of
Speaker 1: jewelry and go to her studio and stay there for
Speaker 1: days until it was perfect. And I thought she was
Speaker 1: honestly there making our wedding bands, so okay, she thought
Speaker 1: she was struck with, like, you know, the artist's way
Speaker 1: or something. But also, I will say that half the
Speaker 1: people in this cast are calling her Alisa and half
Speaker 1: are calling her Alissa, So they first call her Alissa,
Speaker 1: so I'm going with that, but her name does change
Speaker 1: pronunciation from person to person. As they leave, Stabler points
Speaker 1: out to Benson, did you see that Sharon was completely
Speaker 1: ignoring me? And then Babs Duffy shows up right behind
Speaker 1: them in the nick of time, going have you looked
Speaker 1: between your legs lately? And they're like, what are you
Speaker 1: doing here? And she goes, oh, right, because I'm a lesbian,
Speaker 1: I should be home with my cat's sheet rocking my bathroom.
Speaker 4: It's just like it's just hit after hit and I'm
Speaker 4: really enjoying it and.
Speaker 2: That unpacked bits. I mean, yeah, it is like it
Speaker 2: changes the genre of SVO. That's how funny this episode.
Speaker 4: It's so funny.
Speaker 1: This is this was actually I know, we said we've
Speaker 1: done this as live shows. We did this as our
Speaker 1: very first live show because we were like, this has
Speaker 1: the laughs that can sustain a live show. This episode absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so Babs goes, Okay, what's our next move? Like
Speaker 1: she's on team cop now, and they're like, go home, Babs,
Speaker 1: and she's like, what's your problem? Stabler? And he goes,
Speaker 1: have you looked in the mirror lately? And she goes,
Speaker 1: you don't want me as your enemy? And Stable goes,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I don't want you as my friend either,
Speaker 1: and she goes, oh good, because a friend would tell
Speaker 1: you your ass is huge. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: not Bab's duffy going after Stabler's huge dump truck of
Speaker 1: an ass a full decade before the Internet.
Speaker 4: Like I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: She starts going in on Stabler's ass until Benson interrupts
Speaker 1: and Babs is like, look, I don't expect Asi mcbig
Speaker 1: pants over here to catch anybody. But Benson, you seem
Speaker 1: pretty on the ball and like they're just getting in
Speaker 1: the call at car ignoring her, and then she pulls
Speaker 1: out her like final card to play that she's been
Speaker 1: working closely with Brooklyn Bias Crimes. Go talk to Omar Ellis,
Speaker 1: He'll back me up. So now Benson and Stabler are
Speaker 1: at Bias Crimes task Force talking to Detective Omar Ellis,
Speaker 1: who says Babs is a nutcase. He's like, she's trying
Speaker 1: to make a connection where there isn't one and threatens
Speaker 1: new media all kinds of exposure, and Stabler thinks she's
Speaker 1: extorting people for constributions to Lesbie Strong and because for
Speaker 1: Babs it's all about Lesbian's twenty four seven. So they
Speaker 1: asked are like, so is there any evidence of a
Speaker 1: trend of lesbian's being attacked? And he's like, not really,
Speaker 1: but these attacks to do the attacks that we do
Speaker 1: see happen near lesbian bars, which is hardly a trend
Speaker 1: because like obviously when people are drinking, you know, there's
Speaker 1: more violence is likely, or people are likely to attack
Speaker 1: people near a lesbian bar if that's something that they're against.
Speaker 1: So where did this attack happen Manhattan forty eighth and tenth,
Speaker 1: So that's Hell's Kitchen, And somebody goes, that's a fast
Speaker 1: growing lesbian area, and I was like, I don't really
Speaker 1: remember any specifically lesbian areas of New York City. Hell's
Speaker 1: Kitchen definitely, at that time was a fast growing gay
Speaker 1: area of the city, like all kinds of gay bars,
Speaker 1: lesbian bars were popping up there. So he recommends asking
Speaker 1: patrons and employees at the Kitty Corner, which sounds like,
Speaker 1: what's the one that Oh, no, the Cubby Hole is
Speaker 1: the lesbian bar that I've been to a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if it's.
Speaker 2: Still there, But the Kidie Corner, it's Andy Cohen's favorite bar.
Speaker 1: Oh the Cubby Hole. Oh great, yeah, I actually one
Speaker 1: time I made out with a guy at the Cubby Hole.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened, but I was not
Speaker 1: planning for it. I was quite drunk. So he recommends
Speaker 1: going to check out the Katie Corner. So the next
Speaker 1: scene is we run into Babs's assistant, whose name is Rosemary,
Speaker 1: which is my mother's name, and she is played by
Speaker 1: none other than Broadway Baby Sutton. Foster, who also is
Speaker 1: currently starring in a new revival of Once Upon a Mattress,
Speaker 1: which is a musical that I really enjoy.
Speaker 4: Originally not originally on.
Speaker 1: Broadway, I don't think, but the TV version had Sarah
Speaker 1: Jessica Parker as Fred, the lead character.
Speaker 4: That's who Sutton Foster is playing.
Speaker 1: And she also was the lead of the show Younger,
Speaker 1: where her romantic interest was personal laundry spokesperson and mister
Speaker 1: Mersca Hargate Trevor Langan.
Speaker 4: Aka Peter Herman.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, So she's very connected to the SVU universe
Speaker 1: in this way, Sutton Foster, and she's handing out flyers
Speaker 1: going kill her on the loose, Killer on the loose.
Speaker 1: It's very like it reminds me of like Newsies being
Speaker 1: like extractra come get it, there's a killer on the loose.
Speaker 4: She explains that.
Speaker 2: Chris Bail hated being in Newsies to the point where
Speaker 2: they'll have they'll have like a screening or something like.
Speaker 2: He doesn't go to the reunions. He doesn't talk about it.
Speaker 2: If it's brought up, he like is pissed that it's
Speaker 2: brought up. Like he's really as upset about his Newsy's past.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know that, but he so seems
Speaker 1: so difficult that like, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's like you were young and you did a fun movie.
Speaker 4: Stop but he.
Speaker 1: And it's like a movie that a lot of people
Speaker 1: love and a door and it became a musical that
Speaker 1: people love and a door. I don't know, like, get
Speaker 1: over yourself, go lose a million pounds or gain a
Speaker 1: million pounds for your next role, sir. So she's kill
Speaker 1: her on the loose, Kill her on the loose, and
Speaker 1: then they're talking to her. They're like, what's up, Like,
Speaker 1: give us some background on, like how you're involved in
Speaker 1: this community. She's like, you know, Babs is and she's like,
Speaker 1: I know, Babs comes on a little bit strong, but
Speaker 1: she's helped a whole community of women find their voice.
Speaker 1: Three years ago, I was in the closet. Babs helped
Speaker 1: me come out and because of Babs, I will never
Speaker 1: be afraid to be who I am. Now, could you
Speaker 1: do us a favor and find the bastard who murdered
Speaker 1: our friend. It's like, okay, we got it. Well, let's
Speaker 1: think what we're working on actively right now. So they
Speaker 1: go into the kittie corner. And the bartender is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a man named Mitch. Haven't seen that many men at
Speaker 1: this lesbian bar I work at, and she this is
Speaker 1: so unhinged of me, But I recognize this woman from
Speaker 1: Instagram because she is friends with people that I'm friends with,
Speaker 1: and she was in Spam a lot with my friend Jimmy,
Speaker 1: who is another exactly right host Bridger Wineger, who has
Speaker 1: an amazing podcast called I Said No Gifts. His boyfriend,
Speaker 1: Jimmy was in Spam a Lot, and I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of photos of Leslie and Jimmy together, and I go,
Speaker 1: how do I know this woman?
Speaker 4: Looked her up?
Speaker 1: Went toy Instagram, figured out my, figured out the real mystery.
Speaker 1: And so she's like an actress and a Broadway baby
Speaker 1: and played like the female lead in Spam a lot
Speaker 1: this past year. She says she doesn't know Mitch, but
Speaker 1: have you guys talked to Sharon And she looks like
Speaker 1: she's just making like a perfectly good, little like not
Speaker 1: normal face about Sharon, Like it's a little bit scared
Speaker 1: a little bit, just like if you guys talk to Sharon,
Speaker 1: because she's definitely gonna be someone you want to talk to.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, yeah, we talked to her this morning,
Speaker 1: and they're like She's like, oh okay, so she hadn't
Speaker 1: fully doctor Jekyl and mister hided yet, like cause she
Speaker 1: explains that daytime Sharon is very different from nighttime Sharon,
Speaker 1: like when she comes to the bar at night to work,
Speaker 1: she's dressed differently, she acts differently, she works the door,
Speaker 1: she keeps everyone in line, and they're like, oh, so
Speaker 1: she's the bouncer and Sharon prefers enforce her. The bartender's like,
Speaker 1: I've seen her kick biker's asses. So she describes an
Speaker 1: incident where Sharon screamed at Alissa, but I think she
Speaker 1: calls her Lisa and shoved her just a couple of
Speaker 1: nights ago, and the patio of this place, which is
Speaker 1: by the way, where Sharon said her and Alissa had
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks, but now this bartender is thing
Speaker 1: they actually had quite a violent altercation involving a shove.
Speaker 1: This whole patio and bar is only a few doors down,
Speaker 1: I think from the alley where she died, So it's
Speaker 1: all very close. How long was Sharon gone. She's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe ten or fifteen minutes. Again, asking
Speaker 1: these ourtenders to explain, to remember tiny details from a
Speaker 1: night filled with.
Speaker 4: People is always so wild.
Speaker 1: She goes, look, I love a strong woman, but Sharon
Speaker 1: Harris as scary as fuck. She goes, she scares me,
Speaker 1: and you gotta go check her out online. She runs
Speaker 1: a gang called Big Apple Aggressives. Okay, then, of course,
Speaker 1: q doctor Huang to break it down for us. Just
Speaker 1: like any other culture, there are subsets of cultures, and
Speaker 1: aggressives are a specific subset of lesbian culture. They adopt
Speaker 1: aggressive attitudes. Some of them bind their breasts, some take
Speaker 1: hormones so that they can articulate musculature in their face
Speaker 1: or grow facial hair, and he says they're not likely
Speaker 1: to be more violent, though this is case by case,
Speaker 1: which Huang basically says, gays and lesbians are just as
Speaker 1: prone to domestic violent, substance abuse, sexual assault than anyone else.
Speaker 1: It's just more proof that we're all equal and stablers
Speaker 1: are like, hmm, well not according to Babs. And so
Speaker 1: he pulls up the Lesbie Strong website where Babs is.
Speaker 1: There's a live stream coming straight from the website. A
Speaker 1: Bab's addressing a crowd and she's talking right to camera
Speaker 1: telling people to donate to Lesbie Strong because they have
Speaker 1: all these legal resources and counseling resources and stuff. And
Speaker 1: Finn also finds out that Sharon has a history of
Speaker 1: domestic violence. She punched a girl at a street fair
Speaker 1: and told her that someone should rape her to teach
Speaker 1: her a lesson. And Benson goes, and that's not being aggressive,
Speaker 1: that's being a psycho.
Speaker 4: So put it on a T shirt.
Speaker 1: They also found out that her last girlfriend, Janet Burnell,
Speaker 1: got an order of protection from her last year. So
Speaker 1: obviously we're hopping in the Ford tourists and we're on
Speaker 1: our way to go talk to this ex girlfriend and
Speaker 1: they've got a picture of her with a black eye,
Speaker 1: and they show it to her and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's me. Sharon did that to me. But you know
Speaker 1: black eyes heel. The real shit happened after we broke up.
Speaker 1: She goes, Sharon was fucked up. She hacked my email,
Speaker 1: my voicemail. She did all kinds of shit like erasing calls,
Speaker 1: erasing messages, sabotage my business like it took a serious hit.
Speaker 1: I was about to call the cops on her when
Speaker 1: suddenly it stopped because she goes, I heard she met
Speaker 1: somebody else, and then they go, yeah, the somebody else
Speaker 1: she did, and then she goes, oh, I never thought
Speaker 1: that Mitch would go this far, and they're like, wait, Mitch.
Speaker 1: Janet goes, yeah, Mitch, it's a pet name we used
Speaker 1: to have.
Speaker 4: It stands for my bitch. I mean, it's just getting
Speaker 4: better and better. It's so funny. Okay.
Speaker 1: So they show up at a protest Babs is organizing,
Speaker 1: and Babs is a yelling at a local print shop
Speaker 1: owner nearby because the flyers say Bab's daffy, and she
Speaker 1: thinks it's prejudice, and she's screaming at this guy like
Speaker 1: I want a refund, I want them redone and this
Speaker 1: guy is a bigot, And then the cops are like, listen, babe,
Speaker 1: a typo is not a hate crime. But Babs can
Speaker 1: smell the cameras and jumps right in with a message
Speaker 1: for this lesbian rapist. She says SVU might be dragging
Speaker 1: their asses, but Bab's duffy is on the case, and then.
Speaker 4: They see Sharon, but I also love.
Speaker 2: At one point, Kathy Griffin's character was like, you would
Speaker 2: not fuck these up if I was straight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote it down somewhere. Yes, yes, she's literally
Speaker 1: like she's just like a.
Speaker 4: Straight person's flyer.
Speaker 1: I doubt it, like she's really over the top, but
Speaker 1: you know it, and it's it's hilarious. They're like, Babe,
Speaker 1: typo is not a hate crime, and she's like, actually so.
Speaker 1: Then the cop sees Sharon in the crowd watching and
Speaker 1: they approach her and Sabler makes the mistake of calling
Speaker 1: her Mitch and then he gets straight up punched in
Speaker 1: the face. And if you've been to some of our
Speaker 1: live shows, I do do a super cut of all
Speaker 1: the times that Stabler has gotten his ass kicked, and
Speaker 1: this is the opening. This is the opening image of
Speaker 1: this woman punching his ass right in the face. I mean,
Speaker 1: she clocks him good. And then they arrest her while
Speaker 1: Babs yells police brutality, police brutality, as if like she
Speaker 1: didn't see the punch just happen, like unfortunately, you cannot
Speaker 1: punch a cop.
Speaker 4: So now post.
Speaker 1: Punch, were at the precinct and Benson's trying to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, dab the wound. I can't even see
Speaker 1: what's wrong with him, but he's obviously resisting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about the right and like that that's who
Speaker 2: they They think we're all Babs Duffy, like Republicans.
Speaker 1: We are all Babs, yes, yes, yes, and we're all
Speaker 1: like this wouldn't have happened to a straight white man. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's what I see us, says, that's why we're so
Speaker 1: annoying to them.
Speaker 4: We're just a bunch of the Babs.
Speaker 2: Also, just the name is so crazy, and yeah, it's
Speaker 2: so perfect.
Speaker 1: Yes, Babs Duffy, it's that's for Barbara. Babs is Barbara. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Babs is Barbara. Uh hello, Barbara Streisand I guess yeah, Babs.
Speaker 1: So now, and Sin is like, you know, tending to
Speaker 1: Stabler's wound, and he's all, I'm fine, I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: tough guy whatever, and then they're like what happened here,
Speaker 1: and Finn's making fun of Stabler because he got hit
Speaker 1: by a chick and cabots there being like, well, if
Speaker 1: a suspect punches an officer, charges get filed, and Stabler's
Speaker 1: like downplaying it, being like I'm fine, I'm fine, and
Speaker 1: she goes, well, would you be saying that if a
Speaker 1: man punched you? And it's true, like he would absolutely
Speaker 1: be leveraging it to get her to talk, like if
Speaker 1: that's you know, And so they go to interrogate Mitch
Speaker 1: looking for Lorne again. Mitch is the queen king of
Speaker 1: the Forlorn, looks looking out of the bars in the
Speaker 1: cement bar's room, and she refuses to talk with a
Speaker 1: man in the room, and she basically begs Benson. She's like,
Speaker 1: please tell him to leave and I'll talk to you.
Speaker 1: So then in the squad room, Stabler walks out and
Speaker 1: Cabot's like that was quick, and you know, He's like,
Speaker 1: this woman won't talk to me. So Benson's on it,
Speaker 1: and then Cabot's there. Bab runs in yelling to Stabler,
Speaker 1: you pig headed son of a bitch. But then she
Speaker 1: immediately stops yelling when she gets a load of Cabot,
Speaker 1: like she is full speechless, eyes popping out like oh
Speaker 1: got like the second she sees Cabot, and Cabot's like,
Speaker 1: I'll give you to some privacy of bats goes, you
Speaker 1: don't have to, and then Stabler gohoes, we're talking in private,
Speaker 1: let's go. And it is very funny because she is
Speaker 1: like cartoon lesbian being of course blown away by how
Speaker 1: gorgeous Stephanie marches So Bab's basically is like Sharon couldn't
Speaker 1: have done it, Like she wouldn't kill anyone because she's
Speaker 1: a woman, and women are only violent when threatened, and
Speaker 1: stablers like, I'm sick of this PC crap, So drink
Speaker 1: for the title of the episode, unless you're you know,
Speaker 1: driving or taking care of children. And she's like, you
Speaker 1: don't like us challenging the patriarchy and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: we have probable cause on Sharon. So then we cut
Speaker 1: back to which obviously probable cause another PC. They do
Speaker 1: a lot of wordplay in here where there's other things
Speaker 1: that stand for PC. Cut back to interrogation and Sharon
Speaker 1: is like, I did not kill ALYSSA. Half the cast
Speaker 1: is called oh, I already wrote this. Half the cast
Speaker 1: is calling her Alissa, the other half is calling her Lisa.
Speaker 1: Benson says, you have a serious anger problem, and she
Speaker 1: denies that and is like, you punched my partner, and
Speaker 1: she's like, you've hit people on the street and you've
Speaker 1: been lying to us, and she's like, I did it
Speaker 1: lie And Benson goes, you lied about the bar, you
Speaker 1: lied about her going to her studio. You lied about
Speaker 1: not knowing who Mitch was. She like grips the caged
Speaker 1: windows and she's like, hasn't anyone ever called you by
Speaker 1: a special name? And Olivia's like, not, bitch, and then
Speaker 1: Sharon says, straits never understand people like me. And Benson's like,
Speaker 1: I want to help you. What did Alyssa do to
Speaker 1: make you so angry? What did she do? And then
Speaker 1: she's denying it all and says that they were in love,
Speaker 1: but like She's like, well, why were you yelling at
Speaker 1: her right before she got murdered? And she goes, because
Speaker 1: I get angry about things and I hit people people
Speaker 1: I love and Alyssa knew that, and she got me
Speaker 1: into therapy and she was helping me be a better person.
Speaker 4: Olivia says.
Speaker 1: When the cop asked Alyssa who did this, she said
Speaker 1: Mitch and Sharon says she must have been scared. She
Speaker 1: was asking for me. She loved me, And so Sharon
Speaker 1: starts to cry like she's very upset. Finn interrupts and
Speaker 1: Benson is like, give us a second, and he goes, nah,
Speaker 1: I can't purp struck again. So now we're at Mercy
Speaker 1: General Hospital and sadly our victim is Rosemary aka Sutton Foster,
Speaker 1: but she is alive, but she has been assaulted. Everyone
Speaker 1: went to the bar after the flying, and she wanted
Speaker 1: to go home to update the Lesbie Strong website about
Speaker 1: the rally.
Speaker 4: She was alone. She passed by an empty doorway.
Speaker 2: You should imagine like going home from the and doing
Speaker 2: more rally paperwork at like, I know, take a load off, girl,
Speaker 2: I know, go have a light beer somewhere.
Speaker 4: Girl, it's cool.
Speaker 1: You can update the flat like the website later tomorrow morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so wild to rush showman to update the site. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she was alone, she passed by an empty doorway.
Speaker 1: She was dragged into an empty building. The guy put
Speaker 1: his hands over her mouth, like from behind. She didn't
Speaker 1: see anything. Rosemary doesn't remember anything about the purp, but
Speaker 1: heard his voice saying, quote, you dykes have ruined my neighborhood.
Speaker 1: So she blames herself for not grabbing evidence or DNA,
Speaker 1: and they are like, girl, it's not your fault. You survived.
Speaker 1: You know the usual truth about what they say to victims.
Speaker 1: Then she gets so stressed and jumps up and is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, my phone, my BlackBerry.
Speaker 1: It's been taken and it has all the names and
Speaker 1: addresses of every member of lesbian Lesbie Strong and all
Speaker 1: the lesbians like basically in the neighborhood. Babs runs in
Speaker 1: and Stabler is like, please leave, and then Rosemary reveals
Speaker 1: that the Purp had a message for her. He said,
Speaker 1: tell that bitch bab stuff, I'm coming for her next
Speaker 1: and Babs looks shook, just to Smidge, just a little
Speaker 1: bit shook. In the next scene, she is, of course
Speaker 1: trying to deny protective custody, but the detectives try to
Speaker 1: talk her into it, and Stabler goes, it's protective custody,
Speaker 1: the good kind of PC. So another PC. She says,
Speaker 1: read my perfectly glossed lips. I don't run, okay, bitch?
Speaker 1: Love that, And Benson is like, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do when you get killed? And then they tap into
Speaker 1: her ego and they're like, what are all these scared
Speaker 1: lesbians gonna do without their leader? And she's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but it has to happen at my apartment and like
Speaker 1: put a detail on my apartment or whatever. So Benson
Speaker 1: goes to Babs's apartment with her, closes her laptop and is.
Speaker 4: Like what did I just say? No internet?
Speaker 1: And she's like, hello, I have to work on my blog.
Speaker 1: She's hilarious, very twenty ten. She's like, I have a
Speaker 1: word press blog. I need to update. There's a rally tomorrow,
Speaker 1: she says. And Benson's like, there's no rally until we
Speaker 1: catch this guy. And there's no secret tweeting either, because
Speaker 1: Babs is like over on her phone kind of like surruptish,
Speaker 1: trying to type out tweets, and Babs is like, I'm
Speaker 1: going crazy, and Benson's like, why don't you just relax?
Speaker 4: And she goes, I never relax.
Speaker 1: I'm always picketing, marketing, I'm always well Marketing's probably right,
Speaker 1: she says, I'm always picketing, marching or planning and marketing basically,
Speaker 1: And she goes, I don't do alone very well.
Speaker 4: And I can relate. This is me. I don't sit
Speaker 4: down and relax very much.
Speaker 1: You know, this is I'm a bab stuffy on the
Speaker 1: scale of you know, virgos. I guess She's like, I
Speaker 1: don't like sitting here while this prick is out there
Speaker 1: attacking my sisters. And Benson says, Stabler is out there
Speaker 1: and he's going to get the perp. He hates when
Speaker 1: people hurt women. Bab says, that's Stabler's got the hots
Speaker 1: for you, and Benson's like, excuse me, like it gives her,
Speaker 1: like gives her like what that thought has never crossed
Speaker 1: my mind? What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Face?
Speaker 1: And she goes that's never gonna happen, and then Benson
Speaker 1: changes the subject and is like, so you've been marching
Speaker 1: and active for a while, like, and they start looking
Speaker 1: at a bunch of framed photos of Babs, like all
Speaker 1: over the wall, like at marches, in newspaper articles. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been tear gas like she's been a fighter for
Speaker 1: the cause, you know, of lesbian rights. If not a
Speaker 1: little bit closed off, but lesbian writes, at least that's
Speaker 1: why it feels weird to her. She wants to be
Speaker 1: out there kicking ass, not hiding and feeling scared. So
Speaker 1: they're kind of having a bonding moment and Benson is like,
Speaker 1: you'll get through this, I promise, and pats her on
Speaker 1: the shoulder and goes, let's get something to eat. Suddenly
Speaker 1: Babs makes a move and tries to kiss Benson, and
Speaker 1: Benson's like, whoahoo, that's not on the menu, and Bab's
Speaker 1: like immediately is like, is it me like, and Benson's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's me, Like, I'm flattered, but I'm straight, honey, And
Speaker 1: she's like, don't let the haircut and the bootcut jeans
Speaker 1: fool you. I do love Dick, and Bab sells her
Speaker 1: you're like Ellen, Joan Crawford and Calamity Jane all rolled
Speaker 1: into one. And then she goes, if you can balance
Speaker 1: a check book, I'll throw in Sue's orman and you're right,
Speaker 1: this has to be fucking Kathy Griffin, like Kaddey Griffin
Speaker 1: has to be writing this shit like and although Calamity
Speaker 1: Jane and Joan Crawford are specifically I would say Neil
Speaker 1: Bear references like I bet he is a Joan Crawford
Speaker 1: stand and then but the Sue's ormon, I bet is
Speaker 1: a Kathy, But well, we'll find out. Babs like doesn't
Speaker 1: believe her when she says she's straight, and she's like,
Speaker 1: believe me. I know how hard it is to have
Speaker 1: conflicting feelings. But the heart wants what the heart wants.
Speaker 1: And Benson is saved at that moment by a knock
Speaker 1: on the door, and it is a police officer taking
Speaker 1: over the next shift. Benson grabs her coat, leaves, and
Speaker 1: she tells the new cop, who happens to be a
Speaker 1: cute young woman. She goes, if I were you, I'd
Speaker 1: stay outside. Like Babs is alone, scared and horny, she
Speaker 1: might come for you. So at the precinct, Benson and
Speaker 1: Stabler are going now through security footage of Rosemary's attack,
Speaker 1: and Benson, of course spots a tattoo on the purp's
Speaker 1: hand and they're like, yep, I've got morales trying to
Speaker 1: clean it up, even though we've heard now since that
Speaker 1: cleaning up images is kind of impossible.
Speaker 4: They're working on it.
Speaker 1: Benson gets serious and asks Stabler question. She's like, hey, ell,
Speaker 1: can I ask you? Do you ever get a gay
Speaker 1: vibe from me? And Stabler goes, would it matter if
Speaker 1: I did? And she's like, don't avoid the question. And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, you haven't had a luck with guys,
Speaker 1: and she's like, it's called being married to the job, dumbass,
Speaker 1: And then the phone rings, Benson answers and Stabler figures out.
Speaker 4: So it's like Stabler thinks she's a lesbian. It's very confusing.
Speaker 1: She knows he's she's he knows she's dated many many
Speaker 1: guys over the course of the last eleven seasons, so
Speaker 1: maybe he's like, I don't know, maybe give it a shot.
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's saying to her, but the
Speaker 4: phone rings. Benson picks up.
Speaker 1: Sabler's like, okay, Sabler basically figures out because of her
Speaker 1: asking that question that Babbs must have hit on her,
Speaker 1: and he goes, you get hit on I get hit
Speaker 1: So yeah, bitch, that's the dynamic, Like, no one wants
Speaker 1: to hit that beautiful face. People want to hit your
Speaker 1: people want to wipe that shitt, eat and grin off
Speaker 1: your face. As my dad used to say to us children.
Speaker 1: Uh uh oh. Olivia hangs up the phone. The purp
Speaker 1: just got shot at Babs Duffy's apartment. Bump, bum bum.
Speaker 1: They run to the scene of the crime, and the
Speaker 1: officer on duty, who Benson has just left at Bab's apartment,
Speaker 1: is explaining to them what went down. Babs went to bed.
Speaker 1: I was doing a walk around of the building. I
Speaker 1: saw a movement on the fire escape outside of Babs's window,
Speaker 1: and I saw this guy trying to get in.
Speaker 4: I shout it for him to stop.
Speaker 1: He was holding a tire iron, so I shot his
Speaker 1: ass and she literally shot his ass, like he got
Speaker 1: shot in the ass, he fell down and he got
Speaker 1: knocked out in the fall off the fire get again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're never gonna keep me down.
Speaker 1: Benson says, good work, and then Babs is wearing a coat.
Speaker 1: She's stressed. She's being consoled by Rosemary. There's a huge
Speaker 1: mob of people yelling and a gurney with.
Speaker 4: A shot perp on it.
Speaker 1: Sharon has been released aka Mitch and is blasting through
Speaker 1: the crowd screaming you killed Alyssa. She starts shaking the
Speaker 1: gurney and then flips it over basically as Babs looks
Speaker 1: onto this whole mob scene, very shaken.
Speaker 4: So shit is getting crazy.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the hospital and we're with the
Speaker 1: dude who's and he's been shot in the ass, and
Speaker 1: Stable's trying to sort of finesse the surfer doc into
Speaker 1: giving away this guy's DNA, like how about we just
Speaker 1: take a swab, right, And the guy's like, yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: as soon as I see a warrant and you know, he's.
Speaker 4: Like worth a shot. So they are kind of trying
Speaker 4: to show how police.
Speaker 1: Do go around the rules a lot of the time
Speaker 1: if they can, but there's some checks and balances, like
Speaker 1: Surfer Doc who don't let them. So they find out
Speaker 1: that this the purp that has been shot, does not
Speaker 1: have a tattoo, which, by the way, they've cleaned up
Speaker 1: and found out it's of a spider. So they examined
Speaker 1: the man's personal effects. They find a license. His name
Speaker 1: is Larry Luft. Plus they find something interesting on his phone.
Speaker 1: Next scene, we're talking to Babs Duffy like uh, look,
Speaker 1: showing her the phone and going looks like you knew
Speaker 1: the perpetrator. She goes, you think this guy is my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: She's like, Olivia, remember last night I tried to make
Speaker 1: out with you. I'm gay, And they're like so. Then
Speaker 1: one of them goes for a man hating lesbian. You
Speaker 1: seem awfully cuddly with Larry, and then Benson flashes a
Speaker 1: pick of Babs and Larry smooching on the phone, and
Speaker 1: Babs is like, fuck.
Speaker 4: What a twist, What a twist? Bab's a glace, yes.
Speaker 1: Babs is like, fuck, all right, listen, I still totally
Speaker 1: love women. Larry is my secret male lover and I
Speaker 1: just developed feelings for him. He came to one of
Speaker 1: our Lesbie Strong meetings and I liked that he was
Speaker 1: an ally I guess and I you know, I it's
Speaker 1: wild that she would even let herself like have a
Speaker 1: conversation with a man, but she ended up, you know,
Speaker 1: getting feelings for him. Stabler's like, I think this whole
Speaker 1: Lesbie Strong thing is a shtick to cover for you
Speaker 1: being in the reverse closet. And She's like, no, you
Speaker 1: cannot let my girls find out about that this. They
Speaker 1: would see it as a betrayal. And it's like, baby,
Speaker 1: you're by nothing to freak out about. And Stabler's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna come out in a big way. It's like
Speaker 1: fine being by, but when your whole thing is lesbian
Speaker 1: and yeah, and men are ridiculous and yeah. So at
Speaker 1: what feels like the ninth Lesbian rally in this episode,
Speaker 1: Rosemary is addressing the crowd.
Speaker 4: These lesbians have jobs.
Speaker 1: Geez, Seriously, there's so much poster making going on at
Speaker 1: all times. They have so many different rallies, posters and flyers,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Rosemary's addressing the crowd live is scanning and
Speaker 1: looking for a guy with a spider hand tattoo. Babbs
Speaker 1: addresses the crowd now and says, listen, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you guys something. The man they caught is not
Speaker 1: the rapist. She explains, he's someone who I know, and
Speaker 1: I'm in a relationship with this man. So she comes
Speaker 1: out as bisexual. Rosemary is like, looks like she's seen
Speaker 1: a ghost. She's like, is this a joke? She feels
Speaker 1: extremely betrayed, just as Babs predicted she would. The crowd
Speaker 1: starts to turn on her. One lady yells, we still
Speaker 1: love you, Babs. You just I watched with the captions on,
Speaker 1: so you can I really notice it. But I was like,
Speaker 1: One lady goes, not that big of a deal. What's
Speaker 1: the little man? Sometimes?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: She promises to now fight for everyone, gay men, trans people,
Speaker 1: by people, and then as she's you know, trying to
Speaker 1: get the crowd to not absolutely kill her, Elliott spots
Speaker 1: the man with a spider tattoo and it's done.
Speaker 5: Done.
Speaker 4: The print shop guy the right. Babs was right, believe
Speaker 4: women right.
Speaker 5: She was right.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a typo, not a fuck up, another flyer
Speaker 1: the type.
Speaker 4: I wasn't hate crime.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker was giving himself away with his typos.
Speaker 4: They go after.
Speaker 1: Him, being like just like an angry fly I maker. Seriously,
Speaker 1: they go after him. He tries to run, they arrest
Speaker 1: him obviously. So now he's in the precinct to This
Speaker 1: guy's name is Ronnie Watley. He's got He's like, I
Speaker 1: got nothing against lesbians. He's acting very innocent. Cabot and
Speaker 1: Olivia are watching this interrogation and Stabler's trying to get
Speaker 1: it out of him, and Cabot's like, why isn't he
Speaker 1: nailing this guy? And Lives like give him a second,
Speaker 1: and Cabot's like, look, there's no DNA, there's no witnesses.
Speaker 1: I really need this guy like barfing his confession all
Speaker 1: over Stabler's shoes and I'm not getting that right now,
Speaker 1: and then Lives like, ooh, I got an idea that
Speaker 1: could really.
Speaker 4: Move things along.
Speaker 1: So Olivia walks into the room like fucking Sandy from
Speaker 1: Grease leather Jacket, basically smoking a cigarette, going what's up stead,
Speaker 1: and she's in like full lesbian cosplay, like swagger in
Speaker 1: her step. She and Elliott immediately go into their sexually
Speaker 1: charged hate play that they love to do, where he's like,
Speaker 1: what do you get out of here?
Speaker 4: And she's like, no, come on, let me let me
Speaker 4: have a shot at the guy.
Speaker 1: And she's like and he goes, this is too personal
Speaker 1: for you, and she goes, big, girls, don't cry, come on,
Speaker 1: let me have him. So then Stabler leaves, Benson takes
Speaker 1: off her leather jacket throws it on the table. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like very hilarious, and then Live starts antagonizing Ronnie going, oh,
Speaker 1: you just like never get any action because you're kind
Speaker 1: of ugly and you have a lame fucking job. And
Speaker 1: she's just like baiting him about how lesbians are out
Speaker 1: there having all the fun, being hot, chilling at the
Speaker 1: kitty corner, having a blast, and they're all having fun
Speaker 1: around him and he's not having any fun. And Benson
Speaker 1: does like everything she can to play into this guy's
Speaker 1: hostility towards lesbian. She's like, I bet you want to
Speaker 1: grab me and bend me over and make me a
Speaker 1: real woman with.
Speaker 4: What's between your legs, it's really weld.
Speaker 1: She's like, she's like very sexually coming on to him
Speaker 1: kind of in a way, and then he finally cracks
Speaker 1: and pushes her hand onto his Dick going and you
Speaker 1: love it just like those other two did.
Speaker 4: Every moment of it.
Speaker 1: Boom, there's a confession and she goes goodbye, Ronnie, and
Speaker 1: then he calls her a bitch a bunch of times
Speaker 1: as she just like sashe is out of the room,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of one of the greatest Olivia Benson scenes,
Speaker 1: I would say of all time. So then Babs enters
Speaker 1: the squad room happy for once, and she's like, you
Speaker 1: got him, and Stabler goes, she got him with one
Speaker 1: hell of a performance, I think.
Speaker 4: So he's still like, I don't know, you might be gay.
Speaker 1: Benson like, he's still like, I guess that was a performance,
Speaker 1: but maybe you love women. And I know you know
Speaker 1: she's a lesbian icon Benson. So it's I think it's
Speaker 1: never too late. We're about to enter season twenty six.
Speaker 1: Make it happen. Benson asks if the lesbians are still
Speaker 1: furious with Babs, and she goes, well, about a tenth
Speaker 1: of them are still cool with me, but Lesbie Strong
Speaker 1: will be back. I'm opening it up to everyone so
Speaker 1: it can be a real LGBTQIA organization, and then Benson goes, well,
Speaker 1: a is for ally, so you can count us in
Speaker 1: and I think probably a lot of LGBBQ people are like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 4: It's very sexual.
Speaker 1: But Larry unfortunately is no longer an ally and getting
Speaker 1: shot in the ass made him rethink his commitment to Babs,
Speaker 1: so they are no longer an item. And Babs also,
Speaker 1: why are you She couldn't send him a text that's like, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, there's cops on my door, don't try
Speaker 1: to sneak up my fire escape or whatever. So Babs
Speaker 1: thanks Olivia for making her come clean about who she
Speaker 1: really is.
Speaker 4: She always apologies.
Speaker 1: She also apologizes for the awkward lunge and says my
Speaker 1: gadar must have been off lol, but also tells Benson
Speaker 1: you are incredibly hot and it's like, duh, the show
Speaker 1: is kind of built around that concept, and Benson is like,
Speaker 1: Benson's like, no problem, Babs, We'll see you around and
Speaker 1: Stabler cracks every time we turn on the TV. And
Speaker 1: Babs is like, okay, I guess I owe your huge
Speaker 1: ass and apology as well. I was pretty bitchy to you,
Speaker 1: she says, and he goes right back at you, and
Speaker 1: then she goes Stabler one more thing, Grabs him and
Speaker 1: gives him a long smooch that he does not pull
Speaker 1: away from, by the way, at all. They have more
Speaker 1: than a peck, like a couple of seconds long kiss,
Speaker 1: and then she goes call me sometime and walks out,
Speaker 1: and I admit, I am laughing. I admit that this
Speaker 1: is reverse sexism because if obviously a purp did this
Speaker 1: to Olivia Benson, I would be not a purpose.
Speaker 2: Well and not reverse because she did do it to
Speaker 2: Olivia Benson.
Speaker 1: She tried it on Olivia Benson. Yes, that's true, she tried.
Speaker 1: She did it for both of them, yes, but I
Speaker 1: would say with Olivia she thought it was more of
Speaker 1: a she was actually hitting on her, And with Stabler,
Speaker 1: I think she is doing it to a nerve him,
Speaker 1: like she is doing it to piss him off. So like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't want like some asshole to do
Speaker 1: that to Benson, but I am laughing that it's happening
Speaker 1: to Stabler. And then as she walks out of the room,
Speaker 1: the camera has Benson just like armed cross like hell yeah,
Speaker 1: nod like and a huge smile and like there goes
Speaker 1: my hero by the foo fighter starts playing in my
Speaker 1: mind and bab Duffy, what an icon. She got to
Speaker 1: kiss Stabler and almost kiss Benson. She got to lunch
Speaker 1: at Benson and kiss Stabler.
Speaker 2: So amazing, say, the funniest performance on SVU, Like because
Speaker 2: even the comics that go on the show, it's serious performances. Yeah,
Speaker 2: serious things didn't happen here, but it was the last
Speaker 2: things happened.
Speaker 1: And I do think she is good in the dramatic
Speaker 1: parts where like she's scared, or like she finds out
Speaker 1: that the rapist has a message short. It was very
Speaker 1: funny too, but in a different in a different way, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Or we just had Nicol Sullivant and we
Speaker 1: talked to her about how funny she like she was
Speaker 1: still bringing humor to the character, whereas I feel like
Speaker 1: Babs has a lot of one liners. But we also
Speaker 1: found out that this role was essentially created for her,
Speaker 1: which we'll get more into later or I don't know
Speaker 1: if we talk about it now.
Speaker 4: I'll get to the crimes. I'll get to the crimes.
Speaker 4: That's that's what we're here for.
Speaker 2: I know there's people that only listen to our podcasts
Speaker 2: and don't watch the show, but like I would watch
Speaker 2: the Cathy Griffin episode. Yeah, PC because that little goth
Speaker 2: girl in the beginning, which like the sex is really
Speaker 2: good and she's amazing too, like they're all like very
Speaker 2: very good. This is one that if you don't want
Speaker 2: the girl, you know, obviously there's a murder and so
Speaker 2: it's just a little less graphic then.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Considering our last episode, dick Wolf even said to Nicole Sullivan, so.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that guy should go down by the way
Speaker 1: for murder because he left her bleeding there, like not
Speaker 1: even an anonymous phone call to nine one one to
Speaker 1: help her, like she was just bleeding, Like he didn't
Speaker 1: mean to kill her, but she just left this poor
Speaker 1: woman like bleeding out and she has a clotting disorder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he will be charged with murder maybe like second
Speaker 2: degree or something, you know, but I don't think a manslaughter.
Speaker 4: It's like you did want to know her.
Speaker 1: When you kill somebody in the commission of another crime, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well all right, now it's time so mean some crimes.
Speaker 5: Baby.
Speaker 4: Well, this isn't crime.
Speaker 2: This is about the Lesbian Avengers feminist organization. So I'll
Speaker 2: just give a quick little overview before I get to
Speaker 2: a little bit of a c the crime, which is
Speaker 2: more about the satanic of it all than Okay, you know,
Speaker 2: a flyer guy flying off the handle.
Speaker 4: So a bigoted man who makes posters, okay.
Speaker 2: So the Lesbian Avengers began in New York City duh,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, and they were as like a direct
Speaker 2: action group focused on issues vital to lesbian survival and visibility.
Speaker 2: The founders were six longtime lesbian activists who were involved
Speaker 2: in a variety of different LGBT plus groups. Anna Simo,
Speaker 2: Sarah Schulman, Maxine Wolf and Christine Dudeski, Marie Honan and
Speaker 2: Anne McGuire. So those are the fabulous six. And Anna
Speaker 2: Simo was frustrated at the lesbian invisibility and got her
Speaker 2: girls together to not just you know, talk about stuff,
Speaker 2: but focus on high impact street activism. Their first action
Speaker 2: was on September ninth, nineteen ninety two in Queens where
Speaker 2: some right wing nuts were trying to suppress a multi
Speaker 2: cultural like children Rainbow curriculum thing for kids, and so
Speaker 2: they had a protest with the Board of Education. And
Speaker 2: just like a lot of protests, their biggest thing that
Speaker 2: has like the longestwithstanding action would be the Dyke March
Speaker 2: and that was created on the eve of the Gay
Speaker 2: March on Washington in nineteen ninety three, and it got
Speaker 2: together twenty thousand lesbians and it's always the like night
Speaker 2: before the Gay Parade is the Dick March, and so
Speaker 2: that's like their biggest legacy. The Avengers developed a civil
Speaker 2: rights or organizing project that was rooted in grassroots activism
Speaker 2: that not only fought homophobic initiatives, but worked to train
Speaker 2: activists for the long term, and they spread to a
Speaker 2: national level. So each chapter set up their own priorities.
Speaker 2: So some worked, you know with like anti gay initiatives,
Speaker 2: some against the religious ray and others like the KKK
Speaker 2: and stuff like that depends what impacted their community the most.
Speaker 2: Above all, they're like, the big thing is action that
Speaker 2: reflected their commitment to challengeing homophobic stereotypes and you know
Speaker 2: the role the media played in all those stereotypes. They
Speaker 2: did a lot of fire eating and it became a
Speaker 2: symbol for lesbian Avengers. It started because they wanted to
Speaker 2: bring attention to a tragedy that happened to Hattie may
Speaker 2: Cohens and Brian Mock, who in nineteen ninety one were
Speaker 2: burned to death in Salem, Oregon after amolotov cocktail was
Speaker 2: tossed into their apartment that they shared, and so that
Speaker 2: made people.
Speaker 4: Protest and fiery, and it became kind of a symbol.
Speaker 2: And there's a documentary if you want to know more,
Speaker 2: called The Lesbian Avengers Eat Fire Too, made in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three, so it was about the first year of
Speaker 2: it coming together. So yeah, cool, cool, ahead of its time.
Speaker 2: Group of people that wanted to positively impact lesbians and
Speaker 2: society as a whole. And I think that's what the
Speaker 2: Apple aggressives were based on. And then this next case
Speaker 2: is the case Elise Paler and the related lawsuits against
Speaker 2: the metal band Slayer. So this is more about the devil,
Speaker 2: like the Red Herring, it's about what I'm not just
Speaker 2: talking about the devil.
Speaker 4: This is the red Herring.
Speaker 2: So Elise was a young girl who was murdered in
Speaker 2: a quote sacrifice to the devil, and then her parents
Speaker 2: tried suing the band's Slayer for their contribution to her death.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know, but grieving does things to people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of okay with it. David and Lisa Anne
Speaker 2: raised their daughter in a royo Grande, California, and she
Speaker 2: attended a Royo Grande High School. She was described as
Speaker 2: a wonderful person who was loving, vibrant, enthusiastic, encouraging, and gentle.
Speaker 2: On July twenty second, nineteen ninety five, unfortunately, she was
Speaker 2: reported missing at fifteen years old. For eight months, the
Speaker 2: case was cold, nobody could find a trace of where
Speaker 2: she had gone. There was nothing. And then a confession.
Speaker 2: So Royce Casey was a seventeen year old and he
Speaker 2: confessed this crime to a clergy person. The clergy person
Speaker 2: and Casey then contacted law enforcement, and Casey described the
Speaker 2: crime to detectives and led them to Elice Poller's body.
Speaker 1: So, wow, this priest or something must have like or
Speaker 1: none or whoever it was, must have convinced him to
Speaker 1: come forward, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: Or did it? I found conflicting things in the same paper. Actually,
Speaker 2: but some said the clergyman went to the cops, and
Speaker 2: then multiple sources said that the boy did on his own.
Speaker 4: So I just said that, you know, together they went,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, Yeah, I'm not sure about their enter car.
Speaker 1: Usually one of them just calls Elliott stable or because
Speaker 1: they know him. Personally and then he does some investigating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm not really sure how it like exactly went down.
Speaker 1: But he also gave up the other two teenagers who
Speaker 1: committed the crime with him, and that was sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Jacob Deli Shmat and fifteen year old Joseph Farrella Casey.
Speaker 1: Not only like was the guilt on him, like he
Speaker 1: just you know, edgar Allan Poe vibes, like could not
Speaker 1: live with himself. He was also scared that his two
Speaker 1: friends might kill him and was not really chill with
Speaker 1: the friends. So yeah, he was terrified that they would
Speaker 1: shut him up. He was feeling bad about what he
Speaker 1: did because it's the worst thing ever, and so I'm
Speaker 1: glad he did confess. He then led police to the
Speaker 1: partially mummified remains of a Lease only a quarter of
Speaker 1: a mile from her home. I'm sorry for eight months
Speaker 1: the police could not find this body a quarter of
Speaker 1: a mile. I mean, same with like Casey Anthony, Like
Speaker 1: Kaylee Anthony was found so close to their home. Same
Speaker 1: with Chandra Levy. She was found so close to where
Speaker 1: she went missing, like not not half a mile. I
Speaker 1: don't think you know, like these people, like it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like, are the dogs not working?
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's so it's eight months. It's like,
Speaker 4: what they fuck?
Speaker 2: So the boys were arrested in charge with murder, gang involvement,
Speaker 2: raped towards sure and conspiracy. According to Casey. He and
Speaker 2: this is according to him and his testimony. So he
Speaker 2: made a plan with Fiilla and Delishmid and they all
Speaker 2: claim that they did it as a sacrifice to the
Speaker 2: devil to give their newly formed metal band the craziness
Speaker 2: to make.
Speaker 4: It big, the craziness.
Speaker 2: Furilla denied Casey's version of events, but admitted to being
Speaker 2: the first to stab her. And he's quoted by The Tribune,
Speaker 2: I wish it never happened. Since it's happened, I always
Speaker 2: wish that God can bring her back to life. I
Speaker 2: can imagine how her family must feel.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: I wish she thought of that before. Doug odom from
Speaker 2: the DA's office. He's the chief investigator, he said. When
Speaker 2: he asked Casey why they committed the murder, he said
Speaker 2: in quotes, it was to receive power from the devil
Speaker 2: to help them play guitar better. By making this perfect
Speaker 2: sacacrifice to the devil, they would gain more craziness or
Speaker 2: nuts that would make them play harder, play faster, and
Speaker 2: by making this perfect sacrifice to the devil, it might
Speaker 2: help them go professional. Like you guys couldn't have just
Speaker 2: tried monster energy drink like come on or practice?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they picked you know.
Speaker 2: There was I don't know if we talked about this,
Speaker 2: but someone was talking about Wayne Gretzky and how some
Speaker 2: dad went up to him once was like, hey, can
Speaker 2: you give my son advice like how to practice and
Speaker 2: blah blah and do this and that my son's being
Speaker 2: going to like give advice Wayne grett And then he
Speaker 2: gave some bullshit advice and then when the kid walked away,
Speaker 2: Wayne Greats, he was like, wa. Wayne Gretzky was like,
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, you'd have to pull me
Speaker 2: off the ice, you would. You would have to like, yeah,
Speaker 2: grab me and take me away? Like what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? That's how I feel when people ask advice
Speaker 2: on how to do comedy. I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you don't want it bad enough to find a
Speaker 2: figure it out?
Speaker 4: Like is this for you?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: But I just think about this, like they really wanted
Speaker 2: to be musicians, but they didn't want to practice and
Speaker 2: put in the work.
Speaker 4: I hate them. Okay.
Speaker 2: They picked a Lease because she was blonde haired and
Speaker 2: blue eyed virgin, and they thought those characteristics would make
Speaker 2: her the ultimate sin against God, which doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me, but neither does anything else that they thought.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And again this is according to Casey's confession to
Speaker 2: the police, that they lured her over there to smoke
Speaker 2: some weed to Nipomo Mesa eucalyptus grove, and then Dela
Speaker 2: Schmidt attacked Elise from behind with a belt wrapped around
Speaker 2: her neck and he began to strangle her while Faiella
Speaker 2: began stabbing her in the neck with a hunting knife.
Speaker 4: This is really very graphic and terrible and.
Speaker 2: It's really sad, and she's so young, and like, oh,
Speaker 2: the other boys got into the stabbing as well, and
Speaker 2: then it didn't end there. So while she was bleeding out,
Speaker 2: the three of them beat and kicked her body as
Speaker 2: she prayed to God for help and called out to
Speaker 2: her mother like so many victims do. And then they
Speaker 2: just watched her slowly bleed to death from the twelve
Speaker 2: to fifteen stab wounds.
Speaker 4: And then, according to I know.
Speaker 2: And then, according to court records from the San Louis
Speaker 2: Obispo Tribune, it's called the Tribune, and it's like, honey,
Speaker 2: there are other tribunes, and just do that. Can you
Speaker 2: give it a little flare? I have to fucking Saint
Speaker 2: Louis Obyspo the Tribune. As Paler moaned on the ground,
Speaker 2: Casey stomped on the back of her neck. I mean,
Speaker 2: these are like horrific people. And he and she was
Speaker 2: dead within fifteen to twenty minutes, which sounds excruciatingly long,
Speaker 2: like with the torture, and that it was just a slow,
Speaker 2: painful situation and unfortunately the torture did not end when
Speaker 2: she died though, like yeah, the police were able to
Speaker 2: determine she was raped by one of them after she
Speaker 2: was dead. And then fairy Ella's mother told police that
Speaker 2: her son told her that it was the other two
Speaker 2: that raped her. But I don't know if you would
Speaker 2: like tell your mom that you raped somebody, right, He
Speaker 2: was like, I just watched they raped, and it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you raped too.
Speaker 4: Means nothing to me, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Then appear from school told the cops that del Schmidt
Speaker 2: was actually like bragging about it and said that he
Speaker 2: returned back to the to do necrophilia again. And according
Speaker 2: I know, and according to court document, said that Delischmidt
Speaker 2: started to pull off Paler's pants when it was clear
Speaker 2: she was dead, noting that the boys had already chatted
Speaker 2: about having sex with her corpse like that was part
Speaker 2: of the Plano Casey even though he is a monster,
Speaker 2: did tell them that they should leave instead of raping
Speaker 2: the corpse. So I guess let's give him a medal
Speaker 2: of the best of the three murderers. They buried her
Speaker 2: in a shallow grave and left the area. That's another thing.
Speaker 2: So it's like close to her house in a shallow
Speaker 2: grave like no o, okay? And then so directly after
Speaker 2: Lisa's murder, her parents filed a lawsuit against the band Slayer.
Speaker 2: They alleged that their songs post Mortem and Dead skin
Speaker 2: Mask gave the three killers detained instructions to stalk, rape, torture, murder,
Speaker 2: and commit acts of necrophilia against Elise. The lawsuit was
Speaker 2: filed in nineteen ninety six, but was delayed until after
Speaker 2: the murder trial, which did not until two thousand.
Speaker 4: It was thrown out.
Speaker 2: As you can imagine, the judges quoted by medium dot
Speaker 2: com saying there's not uh, there's not a legal position
Speaker 2: that could be taken that would make Slayer responsible for
Speaker 2: the girl's death. Where do you draw the line. You
Speaker 2: might as well start looking through the library of every
Speaker 2: book on the shelf.
Speaker 4: And it's like spoiler alert. We are as a culture.
Speaker 4: They are not. They are not reading.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if they might be maybe also fired
Speaker 1: file the lawsuit to get more eyes on the crime,
Speaker 1: Like maybe they knew like that it would just bring
Speaker 1: more press to it, and maybe these kids could not
Speaker 1: get away with it. I don't know, because that does
Speaker 1: seem but also, like you said, when people are grieving,
Speaker 1: they do wild things.
Speaker 2: But also that didn't deter The parents were not deterred,
Speaker 2: and the Paler parents filed a second most lawsuit that
Speaker 2: claimed Slayer knowingly distributed harmful materials to miners, and it
Speaker 2: was dismissed again. The teens actually also tried to blame
Speaker 2: their crime on death Metal and that that's where they
Speaker 2: got the idea to sacrifice the virgin as part of
Speaker 2: a devil worshiping ritual. And if no one, if you
Speaker 2: have not seen Jennifer's body, I was suggest watching it.
Speaker 2: If you're into a not real horrific version of what
Speaker 2: is happening here, that would be a fun option for you.
Speaker 4: But the parents did receive justice for their daughter's crime.
Speaker 2: Casey pled no contest to first degree murder and was
Speaker 2: sentenced to life with a minimum of twenty one years
Speaker 2: with an opportunity for parole. Deli Schmidt also pled no
Speaker 2: contest to first degree murder and was sentenced to life,
Speaker 2: but with a minimum of twenty six years possibility of parole,
Speaker 2: and Fiorella reached a plea agreement in which she pled
Speaker 2: guilty to first degree murder in exchange for a sentence
Speaker 2: of life with a minimum of twenty six years. And
Speaker 2: they took rape off the table here because he pled guilty.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: David Palor, Elisa's father, said at the court hearing that
Speaker 2: it's a parent's worse fear and lifetime plan to outlive
Speaker 2: their child. It's even worse knowing she was murdered, tortured,
Speaker 2: and raped as a virgin's sacrifice on the altar of
Speaker 2: Satan so that you can earn.
Speaker 4: A ticket to Hell. I just thought that was poetic.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 2: There's a photo of Joseph Ferrella looking back at the
Speaker 2: Paler family before walking out of the courtroom March nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven. And he looks so young, like babyface, but
Speaker 2: all shackled up and an orange jumpsuit, but also dead
Speaker 2: in the eyes. But it's an intense photo because he
Speaker 2: does just look so fucking young. Yeah, And Casey was
Speaker 2: up for parole in twenty twenty one, and members of
Speaker 2: the Paler family, including Elisa's father, said they actually didn't
Speaker 2: oppose his release since he has expressed remorse over the
Speaker 2: years and did lead the police to her body. The
Speaker 2: family does oppose any type of parole for dal Schmidt
Speaker 2: and Fierrella in prison. This Casey guy, he got his
Speaker 2: ged and working towards a college degree and was on
Speaker 2: all these programs in education, and it's like, yeah, these
Speaker 2: are all things at lease did not get a chance
Speaker 2: to do. And I believe in rehabilitation and being able
Speaker 2: to do things in jail and stuff. But it is like, yeah, cool,
Speaker 2: she didn't get to graduate high school. He was a
Speaker 2: model prisoner, could be hey behavior. But the parole was
Speaker 2: actually denied by Governor Gavin Newsom in July twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one after the DA Dan Dawe wrote a letter to
Speaker 2: new Some being like absolutely not that Casey had never
Speaker 2: adequately explained why he had participated in such a statistic
Speaker 2: and heinous crime. But then the superior court judge overturned
Speaker 2: the decision the following June and granted him parole. So
Speaker 2: June sixth, twenty twenty two, San Luis Obispo County Superior
Speaker 2: Court Judge Craig van Ruyan granted Casey's petition, saying fuck
Speaker 2: you to Newsom, and he was able to reverse it
Speaker 2: using some sort of habeas corpus petition And that's from
Speaker 2: legally blonde, so that's cool. And they said he was
Speaker 2: not the same human being as the child that committed
Speaker 2: the crime twenty seven years ago. But after three years
Speaker 2: of legal proceedings, Governor Gavin Newsom said no, fuck you
Speaker 2: and reverse the parole board's decision for a second time.
Speaker 4: And that was March twenty twenty four. So he's back
Speaker 4: in jail and I don't want him to go.
Speaker 2: He's still at Valley State Prison and chow Chilla and
Speaker 2: knew some in quotes said in this Tribune, mister Casey
Speaker 2: must better understand the internal processes that led him to
Speaker 2: commit the crime and hone the skills he will need
Speaker 2: to manage them beyond the controlled environment of prison. And
Speaker 2: that was in an open letter that was sent to
Speaker 2: the DA's office. He found him that he still he
Speaker 2: knew some basically thinks that he still poses an unreasonable
Speaker 2: danger to society if released. I read all his pleas
Speaker 2: to the parole board and it all reads very well
Speaker 2: like he knows what he's doing. But Ed Kemper was
Speaker 2: able to trick all the psychologists at this at the jail.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like really hard because I believe in growth.
Speaker 1: And change and when you're young and andre or whatever,
Speaker 1: like I unders I believe in that so much, but
Speaker 1: I just don't trust all the stuff.
Speaker 4: He said everything correct, He said everything correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: It's hard to it's hard. But his next hearing is
Speaker 2: from March twenty twenty five. And then fear Ella's still
Speaker 2: at the High Desert State Prison and his next hearing
Speaker 2: is June twenty twenty six, and that'll be a parole
Speaker 2: suitability hearing.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 2: And then Dela Schmidt is at the Correctional Training Facility
Speaker 2: in California and his next opportunity for parole is January sixteenth,
Speaker 2: that's my dad and your husband's birthday, So that's in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, so that'll be a parole suitability hearing
Speaker 2: as well. So those are two pendings, so in the
Speaker 2: next couple of years they'll be up for parole again,
Speaker 2: all of them.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: It is kind of like it is kind of like,
Speaker 4: yeah they were teens.
Speaker 1: It was they were young, but like it's pretty violent,
Speaker 1: like and going back and raping the corpse. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just zero zero what is it called, like respect for
Speaker 1: human life? A fitted like oh horrible, horrible, Well, thank
Speaker 1: you for researching that. I'm I'm glad there's not a
Speaker 1: bigoted copy shop owner, but not happy to hear that
Speaker 1: there were psycho teams really listening to.
Speaker 4: Metal and like her, she looks just so young and.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, well you know it wasn't going to
Speaker 1: be our two hundredth episode without a crime. That kind
Speaker 1: of makes you very sad. So let's get to our
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so was it a lot more serious than
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Speaker 4: Wow, I was.
Speaker 5: I was fearful because as any fan of the show,
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Speaker 5: be hard like they weren't nice to me. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's really freaky intoity and.
Speaker 2: They work fat so how much like on the deal
Speaker 2: List there was a thing where they kept being like cut, cut, cut,
Speaker 2: and the light and all that. Was that editing or
Speaker 2: was it really like oh fuck, I'm like I'm taking
Speaker 2: too long and they're mad at me.
Speaker 4: Oh oh no.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: First of all, what was happening was my Bravo show,
Speaker 5: very low budget, non uian cable show, My Life on
Speaker 5: the d List had get permission. First of all, I
Speaker 5: remember it was a big deal. My agent had to
Speaker 5: call Dick Wolf, the creator personally and beg bright the
Speaker 5: Ding Ding, beg for it because there's a whole thing
Speaker 5: where we weren't allowed to use it and they don't
Speaker 5: like when other people steal it. And because Bravo was
Speaker 5: owned by NBC Universal, which of course ran and still
Speaker 5: runs Low and Order, and so that was like a
Speaker 5: big victory when they said, okay, you can do your
Speaker 5: little D list spoof and we'll give you the authentic sounds,
Speaker 5: and having to go back and forth between, you know,
Speaker 5: choosing to be funny and when we were doing the
Speaker 5: behind the scenes stuff but then having to really act,
Speaker 5: which I had not done. And I actually don't act
Speaker 5: all that much anymore because I've been doing such so
Speaker 5: much reality stuff and stand up, and so that muscle
Speaker 5: of mine was definitely out of shape. I still cringe
Speaker 5: when I think of how I kept a crew there
Speaker 5: late and kept the cast late, like because I just
Speaker 5: either couldn't get the lines right or I couldn't get
Speaker 5: the way to turn my head. And I remember Dan Flourke,
Speaker 5: the captain, was so lovely and he's a fellow Chicago
Speaker 5: in and he would pull me aside and be like,
Speaker 5: you're doing great. Do you want to run lines? And I,
Speaker 5: you know, knew Marishka for a long time because I
Speaker 5: don't know if you guys know this, but the way
Speaker 5: I met Marishka is I used to teach Imbrov comedy
Speaker 5: at the very famous theater in Los Angeles, the Groundlings
Speaker 5: Theater on Melrose in Los Angeles, which is where I
Speaker 5: was trained. And I was in their company and I
Speaker 5: was doing shows there every weekend as part of an ensemble,
Speaker 5: and that's how I met her, long before Law and Order.
Speaker 5: But here's here's the kicker. In INMBROV classes, there's a
Speaker 5: game that you guys are par familiar called the trust exercise,
Speaker 5: where the class is in a circle and one by
Speaker 5: one the students go in the mid middle, close their
Speaker 5: eyes and trust that when you fall back, the class
Speaker 5: catches you. So we're doing it. Everyone's everyone's learning what
Speaker 5: it is to trust your fellow actor on stage and
Speaker 5: all the reasons that's important. So sir, enough, it comes
Speaker 5: to Murshika and somebody says something and the person like
Speaker 5: turns ahead and she falls on her like t bone,
Speaker 5: and I'm the teacher. And then here's the worst part.
Speaker 5: I start to get the nervous giggles because I'm so
Speaker 5: freaked out that it like take it manifest Felvin away,
Speaker 5: where I kept kept adding to stop I still from
Speaker 5: burst out laughing because I was so mortified that as
Speaker 5: the teacher, this happened on my watch. And God, lover
Speaker 5: she the fact that she even still speaks to me
Speaker 5: is amazing. I cut to all these years later, she's
Speaker 5: you know wildly famous and winning every award as she should.
Speaker 5: And I'm on set and I cannot tell you how
Speaker 5: many times she would say like we'd struggle and I
Speaker 5: was ruining take after take after take, and Chris and
Speaker 5: Marishika were are a perfect every time, every time, the
Speaker 5: whole cast was always perfect. And I, you know, every
Speaker 5: time I had a scene was like, cut back to one,
Speaker 5: miss Cravin, you need five minutes, and I'd be like, yes,
Speaker 5: I'd go run lines again or whatever. And one time
Speaker 5: Marishka comes up to me, sheels, do you want me
Speaker 5: to just tell you what they want and show you?
Speaker 5: And I go yes, because in the agazine world, you're
Speaker 5: not supposed to do that, right, It's called giving someone
Speaker 5: a line reading, and it's supposedly a big no no.
Speaker 5: And I was like, dear God, yes, I'm so out
Speaker 5: of my element. And Marishia said, Okay, on this symbol,
Speaker 5: I'm this syllable. Turn your head to the left and
Speaker 5: I'm this syllable point with your right finger and then
Speaker 5: turn back to the right. They want this much emotion
Speaker 5: on this sentence, with this much emotion on this one.
Speaker 5: And she would help me like that, like whenever I
Speaker 5: was like the one responsible for keeping them later than
Speaker 5: they should have all gone home earlier.
Speaker 1: That episode, that's you could not tell I'm not even
Speaker 1: I'm really like not giving you just a compliment because
Speaker 1: you're here.
Speaker 4: You could not tell like you're great in that episode.
Speaker 5: Like, I was just watching it because I haven't watched
Speaker 5: it since it came out, so I thought i'd better
Speaker 5: bone up a little bit. Yeah, I'm gonna just say
Speaker 5: because it's been literally decades, you know, they they gave
Speaker 5: me what's called a really good editor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am.
Speaker 5: I haven't watched the episode in all these years because
Speaker 5: I thought I would cringe too much. But I was
Speaker 5: just watching and now they really covered my ass, like
Speaker 5: they somehow. Well, first of all, the director, I'm to
Speaker 5: win an Oscar an Oscar and he okay, So I
Speaker 5: have to tell you something. So there's a scene I
Speaker 5: had with just Chris and Marishka and I just kept
Speaker 5: screwing it up. And it's the scene where I confess
Speaker 5: that I'm not really just a lesbian bisexual and I
Speaker 5: subbed the guy.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: So I can't remember if the scene had crying or not.
Speaker 5: I just know it was a lot of lines for
Speaker 5: this lady right here, and I kept screwing it up,
Speaker 5: and then I was improvising a lot yes, and Chris
Speaker 5: kept stopping, going what what'd you say? Like he would
Speaker 5: he was started cutting himself, going what are you doing?
Speaker 5: And then finally I was confused by his reaction because
Speaker 5: I had run into Robin Williams in real life about
Speaker 5: three weeks earlier, and I said, hey, I'm going to
Speaker 5: do an episode of Law and Order and I know
Speaker 5: you did one. He may have even won an Emmy
Speaker 5: if he was nominated, for sure, And I go, do
Speaker 5: you have any tips? And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: just improvised. They're not like hardcore about the line oh
Speaker 5: my god, well, my dear dear departed friend Raby Williams
Speaker 5: set me up. And I'm like, of course, I gave
Speaker 5: him so much crack when I saw him again. But
Speaker 5: I said that to Chris and Mrishka because then I
Speaker 5: thought they were being sort of unprofessional, like even on
Speaker 5: the improvising app of Storm, and I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 5: moving the scene forward or whatever I thought, and then
Speaker 5: finding Chris goes, why did it just keep saying things
Speaker 5: that are in the script, and I go because I
Speaker 5: talked to Rob Moynes about it, and he said, I
Speaker 5: can improvise, and you guys aren't like into the words
Speaker 5: being a lot of perfect and Maloney goes, no, that's
Speaker 5: the case, and I go but Robin said, you guys
Speaker 5: improvise a lot, like every episode, so there's a lot
Speaker 5: of improvise in the lines, and he goes, no, never
Speaker 5: one episode. And then it was like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 5: even memorize this scene, like I had some of the
Speaker 5: bullet points, and then it was like a stop down
Speaker 5: where then I had to go run that. I mean,
Speaker 5: by the end of the episode, I think Marishia wanted
Speaker 5: to adopt me and put me in some sort of
Speaker 5: protective care And Chris Maloney was like he would say
Speaker 5: shit to me, like, yeah, that was funny the first
Speaker 5: time like that because at that point he had not
Speaker 5: won an Emmy for this show. So I was such
Speaker 5: a bitch that I would bring my two Emmys that
Speaker 5: I won for My Life on the d list, and
Speaker 5: I would put them in a different place in his
Speaker 5: office or dressing room every day, Like if I knew
Speaker 5: he had a wardrobe fitting, I'd run in there with
Speaker 5: my emmys and I'd make sure they were right, like
Speaker 5: next to his outfit, or I'd get in earlier than
Speaker 5: him and I'd run and put him on his desk
Speaker 5: in his office to close the door. And yes, the
Speaker 5: first time he thought it was funny and the whole
Speaker 5: crew laughed. But you know, the way to really make
Speaker 5: a bit work is you beat it till it's dead,
Speaker 5: especially with someone like Chris Maloney, who all my gays
Speaker 5: have lost their mind for from Oz and all my
Speaker 5: nerd friends love from White on American Summer. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: he's the perfect target for me. So that's what PROMP did,
Speaker 5: the famous him yelling in front of the crew.
Speaker 1: It was funny the first time, but I also love
Speaker 1: that this like also informs the relationship you guys had
Speaker 1: your characters on set, Like you guys were like banging
Speaker 1: heads the whole time.
Speaker 5: You know, Well, he obviously was attracted to me and
Speaker 5: didn't help to handle it. And that's his problem because
Speaker 5: I have a sex appeal that regardless of I've I'm
Speaker 5: playing a lesbian or you know. But it is funny
Speaker 5: as I rewatch you know the episode man that Inning team, Well,
Speaker 5: how they made my shitty acting come together and I'm
Speaker 5: watching it now going, how did the other actors even
Speaker 5: keep a straight face? Oh wow, they just start laughing
Speaker 5: at me.
Speaker 2: That's a big thing because in my life on the
Speaker 2: D List, you said, Neilbert wrote this with you in mine,
Speaker 2: but we assumed you improvised so much because it was
Speaker 2: so funny and great and okay, so yeah, we're yeah,
Speaker 2: we did not like.
Speaker 4: You said, for a while.
Speaker 5: I wore them down, you guys, Okay, yeah, Look, seriously,
Speaker 5: this is a union show. And I remember one night
Speaker 5: I think they had to stay like an extra two
Speaker 5: hours because I kept screwing up. Sure enough, the director
Speaker 5: came over in that scene where I had described how
Speaker 5: Robin Williams said, go ahead and improvise, and the director
Speaker 5: said to Chris Maloney, look, I'm going to do a
Speaker 5: couple of takes where just to calm her down, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna let her improvise. And remember Marishka was my rowling
Speaker 5: in BROV student, so Mauritian knows how to improvise. And
Speaker 5: she was actually fine. And sure enough, the scene that
Speaker 5: I improvised was the one that made it in because
Speaker 5: at least I was like comfortable, and so maybe it
Speaker 5: was passable.
Speaker 1: Like there's a scene where you meet him on this
Speaker 1: you meet them on the street and you call him
Speaker 1: Assi mcbig pants, And I was like, that just feels
Speaker 1: like something that Kathy Griffin came up with as opposed.
Speaker 5: To take credit because people love that line, but it
Speaker 5: was written by Neil and Dan Truly was the other writer.
Speaker 5: And I don't know which, either Neil Bayer or Dan
Speaker 5: Truly wrote that Assy mcbig pants. The first scene that
Speaker 5: I shot was an outdoor scene with Jess Benson and
Speaker 5: Stabler and they were getting out of a car or
Speaker 5: about to get in a car, and I come out
Speaker 5: of the building and I do the scene and they
Speaker 5: say cut and they say, you know, back to one.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, of course, we'll do take two. And
Speaker 5: I thought, okay, yeah, you did it. You got through
Speaker 5: your first scene. You may not, you know, get an
Speaker 5: Academy award, but you held your own. You did it.
Speaker 5: And Maloney turns to me and goes, I'm Stabler, she's Benson.
Speaker 5: You called me Benson and her Stabler, And I go, well,
Speaker 5: which is which which? Because I knew that would piss
Speaker 5: them off. So he just like gets into the car
Speaker 5: and slams the door in real life, so I just lived,
Speaker 5: like to this day, I have his number and I'll
Speaker 5: just text him like every two years just to buck
Speaker 5: with them, and he never responded for some reason.
Speaker 4: Gosh, I'm upsessed. Oh my god, I named my.
Speaker 5: I named two of my four dogs Olivia Benson, Elliott Stabler.
Speaker 2: Oh Benson bracelet right here, right there, always ready. So
Speaker 2: people come on the show and they always say like,
Speaker 2: Marishka's so funny, Stablor so are like as a comic,
Speaker 2: are they really funny?
Speaker 5: And oh they're not coming?
Speaker 4: Yeah funny, because that's the one thing.
Speaker 2: People are like, she's hysterical, and I'm like, I bet,
Speaker 2: but yeah, thank you.
Speaker 5: They're definitely funny for dramatic actors because it is it's amazing.
Speaker 5: It's dazzling to see how soon they go from hut
Speaker 5: after like a very serious interrogation scene to coofing around
Speaker 5: with each other. And you know, the kind of cool
Speaker 5: thing about the back stuffy episode, as I call it,
Speaker 5: is they really went there with the are they or
Speaker 5: aren't they going to do it? Are? You know? She
Speaker 5: says to Benson, Stabler has the hats for you, and
Speaker 5: Benson's like, never gonna happen now, I hope you know
Speaker 5: that Dick will cut out the full on kiss between
Speaker 5: Murushka and myself.
Speaker 1: We didn't know until we saw it on the d
Speaker 1: List episode. You were watching it with your mom and
Speaker 1: you were like, they cut out the.
Speaker 5: Kiss, and Neil bar was very upset and Dan Truell
Speaker 5: and they wrote the episode. And to this day, I
Speaker 5: only ran into Dick one time after that, but I
Speaker 5: would love to ask him because I heard that. He
Speaker 5: personally said, no, it's too far, and I was like,
Speaker 5: not for bad to Duffy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also not for SVU and also I may.
Speaker 5: Be the only guest star in the history of the
Speaker 5: show who got to make out with both of that.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, because they left the kiss with Chris Maloney in,
Speaker 5: but they cut out the Chris with Murcia Carte.
Speaker 4: It's so good. It's the kiss with Chris where you're like,
Speaker 4: call me some John, it's so good, John.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, wait, you were talking about Marishka and
Speaker 1: Chris being part of your show. Well we have to
Speaker 1: talk about Ic being part of your show. He's in
Speaker 1: there a little bit where you guys do a full
Speaker 1: reenactment with a body and you talk about anal tearing
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 5: I mean like I fell in love with him. I
Speaker 5: fell in love with him because first of all, I
Speaker 5: know him more as shit, So it was almost I
Speaker 5: had to adjustice seeing him in the acting environment, even
Speaker 5: though he I would argue, was on that show longer
Speaker 5: than he was putting out records, But he was so
Speaker 5: gay to play on My Life on the dal List.
Speaker 5: We were in heaven because you know, you you hope
Speaker 5: and you pray for somethoint like that, and we're like, man,
Speaker 5: if we can get any cast members to like really
Speaker 5: goof off and not be afraid they're going to get
Speaker 5: in trouble from their bosses or the network or whatever.
Speaker 5: So yeah, when we shot a mock episode from My
Speaker 5: Life on the d List and Iced Tea was definitely
Speaker 5: the star.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It's an amazing button to that episode.
Speaker 5: But I just remember thinking, like, what a pro, Like
Speaker 5: he's so used to doing this coming from a wrap background,
Speaker 5: and he's just on the job and solid, take after
Speaker 5: take after take. That's what I still can't get over.
Speaker 5: How every crew member, whether it's the person you know,
Speaker 5: the grip who's carrying the wire or the gaffer who's
Speaker 5: putt in the tape here, every person was so on
Speaker 5: their game from doing it week after week after week,
Speaker 5: and you won't find more hardworking people anywhere. And I
Speaker 5: hate that Hollywood gets a bad rap when it comes
Speaker 5: to a show as good as SBU, because God, they
Speaker 5: were so harm from the writers all the way down
Speaker 5: to the production assistant, everybody in between. And then to
Speaker 5: think that Maurushka and Chris have to deal with a
Speaker 5: new God forbid Kathy Griffin every episode, Like you know,
Speaker 5: because I asked Murcia Merchka about different people, like what
Speaker 5: was Karl Burnette like? And I remember Mrshka saying she
Speaker 5: doesn't want to come to set till ten am, like
Speaker 5: she's Cara Burnette. Let her coming new I who care?
Speaker 5: And she went on to win an Emmy, which she deserved.
Speaker 5: And I don't remember the name of the actor, but
Speaker 5: she told me about one actor they had where before
Speaker 5: every scene he would hit himself and go do it dummy,
Speaker 5: Do it dummy. And to this day, I walk around
Speaker 5: in life just it's like a private joke with myself
Speaker 5: or find somewhere I'll just go do it dummy, do
Speaker 5: it dummy. And I always remember because she and Chris
Speaker 5: would turn to each other randomly and go do it dummy.
Speaker 5: And finally I said, what are you guys talking about. Oh,
Speaker 5: Matthew Lillard that we did we need him.
Speaker 4: He did not mention that he's in the episode.
Speaker 5: Do it do it dummy? Yeah, And so to tell
Speaker 5: it to this day, I walk around, go do it dummy,
Speaker 5: and that's just look, I'm not I know comics.
Speaker 4: I don't know like real actors yea.
Speaker 5: And so it was just fascinating for me to see
Speaker 5: like hardcore actors day in and day out. But like
Speaker 5: I said, the way Chris Mushka, I have to deal
Speaker 5: with the personality of me right where I'm like, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, I can barely keep my line straight. And
Speaker 5: then Matthew Lillard preps in that very unique way. Guess
Speaker 5: who was the guest star after my episode. Sharon Stowe.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she did a little arm Harlowe.
Speaker 5: So I tried to scare Maloney and this was so
Speaker 5: much fun. I told Schery later. I was like, you know,
Speaker 5: I know Sharon pretty well, and trust me, you are
Speaker 5: going to work around her and her schedule. And I
Speaker 5: was hitting him so hard that by the end he
Speaker 5: was like, well, let me tell you something. When she
Speaker 5: shows up on that she didn't go real fast. Then
Speaker 5: we went up with a movie star behavior, like I
Speaker 5: was so evil, Like any chance I could get to
Speaker 5: fuck with him, I had to.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I feels like it works. It seems
Speaker 4: like you really knew how to get his ass.
Speaker 5: I mean I was doing it for the character natural, yes,
Speaker 5: of course.
Speaker 1: Well the thing is is, like I know they you're
Speaker 1: like they gave you a good editor or whatever, but
Speaker 1: I really did think you did a really good job
Speaker 1: of Yeah, you're this bossy bitch.
Speaker 4: I'm sure like that. You know, you can channel the comedian.
Speaker 1: In you to do that. But then there's like a part,
Speaker 1: like the part with Marishka, where you're like really scared,
Speaker 1: Like I really felt that from you, Like and in
Speaker 1: the Dalist episode, I was.
Speaker 5: Crying because, like I said, I was crying because I
Speaker 5: was thinking how over my head was. So you're right,
Speaker 5: the crying scene I was nervous about. But then when
Speaker 5: it came time to do it, I had planted to
Speaker 5: cry a fall.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, like because even the way that Liza Manelli, by
Speaker 1: the way, iconic that you just for your what you
Speaker 1: call your dinky little non union reality show, you get
Speaker 1: Eliza Minelli to come on and be your acting coach
Speaker 1: for this episode.
Speaker 5: That was like, was amazing. First of all, she was
Speaker 5: also on lawng Order. You know that, Yes, and so
Speaker 5: we when we got to go to Liza Bonellie's freaking
Speaker 5: apartment and she's she's smoking a city. She changed clothing.
Speaker 5: I remember I changed just well. And I remember my assistant,
Speaker 5: who to this day says, like, of all, she was
Speaker 5: my assistant for seven years. Their name is Tiffany.
Speaker 1: She was on.
Speaker 5: Yes, and she's like, I've seen Liza ben Ellie's vagina,
Speaker 5: and I was like, that's my girl. Because Liza and
Speaker 5: I being old timey show folk, when it's time to
Speaker 5: change clothes, we're just like used to be assistant being
Speaker 5: there or whatever. And it was so funny. Liza changes
Speaker 5: her clothes pants off, there's Tiffany like do I turn away?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, no, he's one of us.
Speaker 4: No amazing, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, getting getting acting advice from a freaking Academy Award
Speaker 5: winner who also had been on the show was like
Speaker 5: chef's kiss.
Speaker 1: I do have a question. You know this set you
Speaker 1: were in pulp fiction, one of my faves. You don't
Speaker 1: want to I carried pulp Fiction.
Speaker 5: I pulp Fiction won the palm door I can because
Speaker 5: of my three lines. But go ahead with your insults.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just gonna say, you know, he
Speaker 2: seems very serious, and I was wondering, like what set
Speaker 2: was more serious, I guess, or maybe I don't even
Speaker 2: know what a Quentin set was.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 5: You know, first of all, the Quentin set, he is
Speaker 5: very LetterPerfect, So thank god I only had three lines.
Speaker 5: So even though I met Quentin because he was really
Speaker 5: close friends with Julia Sweeney, who was It's pat On
Speaker 5: snl and in the Cings comedy Troupe. So one thing
Speaker 5: that's a weird fun fact is that there are five
Speaker 5: groundlings in pulp fiction. Like the guy that plays the game,
Speaker 5: the little scene I'm in where Marcellus bing Raims wakes
Speaker 5: up after Bruce Willis hit him in the car, and
Speaker 5: there's not a girl named Karen Mariama. She was a
Speaker 5: groundling and it was really cool. Quentin came to see
Speaker 5: a growling show and gave five of us parts. Julia
Speaker 5: played Harvey Kaiitel's girlfriend. And you know, like I said,
Speaker 5: the gift, you okay, okay, you never saw space, but
Speaker 5: his name is Steve Eberts, and so that was also
Speaker 5: unheard of for like how many improv people would be
Speaker 5: in like a legit movie. But yeah, that set was
Speaker 5: also scary because I know Clinton is a perfectionist. And also,
Speaker 5: you know, he wrote every word. And when I went
Speaker 5: out with them, not for a long time, everybody went
Speaker 5: out with them, like four times. But one thing he
Speaker 5: used to do that was really cool is he would
Speaker 5: call me when he was writing pulp fiction and be like,
Speaker 5: can I read you some pages at three in the morning,
Speaker 5: And I'd go, yes, yes, you can. And it was dazzling.
Speaker 5: How when I then went to like the cast and
Speaker 5: cruise screening of the finished product, he had to change
Speaker 5: almost nothing from the original draft. That dialogue was that good. Wow,
Speaker 5: So I thought he read me these scenes months and
Speaker 5: months ago, and now he's working with you know, Christopher
Speaker 5: Walker and John Garolta and Numa Thurman and who knows
Speaker 5: who's left, And sure enough, most of that dialogue was
Speaker 5: the same as the night he wrote it. He just
Speaker 5: has it.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. I honestly want to talk about you know,
Speaker 1: we can. We want to talk about more about your
Speaker 1: career outside of us to you, if that's okay with you,
Speaker 1: we are I mean, I'm tour now.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see your tour. I mean I
Speaker 1: think we're both like very excited to see how great
Speaker 1: you're doing after all of the bullshit, after.
Speaker 5: Seven years of shit. Yes, like I after the former
Speaker 5: president of the United States opened an investigation on me
Speaker 5: at the best of the Attorney General of the United
Speaker 5: States put me on the no fly list, the Inner Polist,
Speaker 5: and the Five Eyes List, which is the terror watch list.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And I was interrogated under oath by two federal agencies
Speaker 5: within the DOJ, the US Attorney's Office and the Secret Service,
Speaker 5: and they were very seriously considering charging me with the
Speaker 5: crime of conspiracy to assassinate the President of the United States.
Speaker 5: So when I hear all these other comments, especially the
Speaker 5: guy Kromits bitching about maybe I was canceled. Okay, first
Speaker 5: of all, you probably have it coming, like whipping your
Speaker 5: dick out, and don't be a Holocaust denier or some
Speaker 5: crazy shit. I took a protest phono, which some people
Speaker 5: think was funny, some people think was graphic. I just
Speaker 5: was trying to shake the people up. But you know,
Speaker 5: the lake that it went to was just it unmatched
Speaker 5: in history. And I'm not putting myself in their class,
Speaker 5: but even the great George Carlin and the great Lenny Bruce,
Speaker 5: they had local law enforcement harass them. I had the
Speaker 5: Feds come back. Yeah, no, and I thought I filed
Speaker 5: a FOY, which is a Freedom of Information Act, and
Speaker 5: they were really serious about trying to charge me with
Speaker 5: that crime and indict me.
Speaker 2: I talk about this and arguments all the time with people.
Speaker 2: I go all these freedom of speech bros. Did people
Speaker 2: have your I don't remember all these guy comics. Really,
Speaker 2: nobody happen in your back? And I'm like that everybody
Speaker 2: turned on me. Let me like, people think only the
Speaker 2: right wing turn on me. No, No, it was left
Speaker 2: right and center. I mean when I was fired from
Speaker 2: CNN for New Year's I read it on the ticker.
Speaker 2: Nobody even bothered to call me, and I lost about
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of my friends. To this day, they
Speaker 2: haven't come back. No one's apologized.
Speaker 5: I crack up when people are like, oh, but they're
Speaker 5: all apologizing now. No.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: A lot of people think, hello, well, if you've had
Speaker 5: it coming and to be out of work for six
Speaker 5: and a half years because of Donald's right.
Speaker 4: I know it's not they only have at me.
Speaker 5: I'd be I'd be heard, but I know, so it
Speaker 5: was crazy.
Speaker 1: And then these canceled comics who are still selling out
Speaker 1: MSG even though they're canceled. We have to be like
Speaker 1: when are they allowed backs?
Speaker 5: Like thank you?
Speaker 2: I always say, the only person I know that's ever
Speaker 2: actually been canceled is you, Like there's no one else
Speaker 2: I can think of.
Speaker 4: It was you and the boys.
Speaker 5: When it's one of the boys, they start call the wagons.
Speaker 5: And I'm sorry to say, it's still as bad in
Speaker 5: stand up as when I started and my dear departed.
Speaker 5: Joan Rivers and I would talk about this all the
Speaker 5: time because Joan would say, Kathy, it's as bad as
Speaker 5: it was for Philip still, or when I used to
Speaker 5: talk to Phyllis, and Phyllis would say it's as bad
Speaker 5: as it was for Tony Fields when I would talk
Speaker 5: to her back in the day. So I just I
Speaker 5: know you don't want to hear this, but I do
Speaker 5: feel compelled to say to younger women, at least when
Speaker 5: it comes to stand up, the misogyny runs deep, and
Speaker 5: it's still really bad and so the fact that, like
Speaker 5: I said, I wasn't just I didn't just have like
Speaker 5: a bad six months, but to be that level of
Speaker 5: canceled and investigated that canceled isn't even in the right
Speaker 5: word investigated by the DJ you couldn't fly. And also
Speaker 5: the death I was in the middle of a fifty
Speaker 5: city tour and I had twenty five cities left, and
Speaker 5: each one of those cities was canceled within seventy two
Speaker 5: hours because they got so many death threats and bomb
Speaker 5: threats to the theater because of me and as from Trumpers.
Speaker 5: So I don't even blame the theaters, like if they
Speaker 5: got that call, like you know, we're gonna come shoot her.
Speaker 5: They love Oh can I see what Trumpers love?
Speaker 4: Cunt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all my death threats where I'm gonna shoot you
Speaker 5: in the count for your count got you in the
Speaker 5: Kant countymin count down, You fucking con't. I'll put your
Speaker 5: continent's place. Your cont is a terrorist. That's like their
Speaker 5: favorite word. And remember this is the religious right. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so yes, I've made enemies. And although I will say
Speaker 5: in my new tour cadey girlfriend, my life on the
Speaker 5: PTSD list, where I'm playing Carnegie Hall, which I thought
Speaker 5: would never happen again. I don't even mention Trump in
Speaker 5: my new show. It sounds great right when I just
Speaker 5: I talked a lot about PTSD because I feel like,
Speaker 5: collectively we all have sort of a form of it
Speaker 5: between trump Ism and COVID, and you know, I believe
Speaker 5: climate change is daily and I don't know, you know,
Speaker 5: so I'm a bit of a dumist, I admit it.
Speaker 5: But you know, they talk about waiting for a rainy day,
Speaker 5: and my rainy day happened and it was six and
Speaker 5: a half years long. So I talk about PTSD and
Speaker 5: don't worry. There's still a lot of juicy celebrity gossip
Speaker 5: that I throw in.
Speaker 4: I've never been to Carnegie, so I'm exciting.
Speaker 5: Oh, Carnegie is magical and people don't know it's a
Speaker 5: great place for stand up because the acoustics are so amazing.
Speaker 5: The audience just they show up in a more of
Speaker 5: a theatrical way than a club, and it's just magical.
Speaker 5: And it will be my sixth time playing Carnegie, which
Speaker 5: is the record for a single female comedian to play Carnegie,
Speaker 5: not as part of a charity show, not as part
Speaker 5: of a musical lineup, not even with an open I
Speaker 5: have no opening act. I write all my own material
Speaker 5: and I go up there for two hours. If you're
Speaker 5: lucky at the little turn, I did two hours and
Speaker 5: forty minutes. I'll try to keep it to two. I'll
Speaker 5: try to keep it to two.
Speaker 2: Wow, what not only like the Trump thing? I Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm a shit talker. I love that you say everything
Speaker 2: And it was so cool. I didn't even know this that, like,
Speaker 2: after you worked on Seinfeld you talk so much about him,
Speaker 2: they had you back and I'm like, what an icon
Speaker 2: for a shit talker that instead of.
Speaker 4: Losing a job, you got another job, Like what a hero?
Speaker 5: I just yeah, I really they wrote the episode for me.
Speaker 5: I'm Seinfeld because I did the episode when I was
Speaker 5: a total unknown. Then I got my first HBO special,
Speaker 5: which back in those days was a really big deal,
Speaker 5: which is now Max and I told the story that
Speaker 5: Jerry was like kind of an asshole on the Senate
Speaker 5: and I said, look, I'm just this little medium level
Speaker 5: guest star dealist. But you know, like I was like, really,
Speaker 5: couldn't it be nicer? And never in a million years
Speaker 5: that I thought he would see it. So he saw it,
Speaker 5: and God loved him. He actually had a sense of
Speaker 5: humor about it, and so they wrote my character to
Speaker 5: come back. She became a comedian whose number one topic
Speaker 5: is just making fun of Jerry Seinfeld, which I was
Speaker 5: doing in kind of a small way, And so that
Speaker 5: was magical to walk back because I can know if
Speaker 5: he'd be like, if he'd be hateful. And the show
Speaker 5: was at its peak, and Jerry had just announced that
Speaker 5: week to Time magazine that he was quitting the show,
Speaker 5: so there was a lot going on for him. And
Speaker 5: then who steps on set this pain and the ass
Speaker 5: right here.
Speaker 1: I have to just tell you I watched every episode
Speaker 1: of Life on the D List when it came out,
Speaker 1: like I was watching it in real time. I was
Speaker 1: like a best I thought it was so funny because
Speaker 1: you know, there's other reality and it's just regular people,
Speaker 1: and this was like a funny person doing a reality
Speaker 1: show that wasn't like stand up, you know last Comic Stand.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about the stand up. You were just a
Speaker 1: funny person living your life. And I just think it's
Speaker 1: like it really it was a revolutionary reality show. I
Speaker 1: love that you own it. That's so badass. And I
Speaker 1: loved your like relationship with your parents, so always being
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was so sweet.
Speaker 5: I loved yours were just so naturally funny. I was
Speaker 5: lucky because a lot of people would be different than
Speaker 5: lot as soon as the cameras were and I really
Speaker 5: enjoy taking real people that are naturally funny, like my
Speaker 5: mom and dad. And when we would put the camera on,
Speaker 5: it was amazing. My mom and dad could turn it
Speaker 5: on like they were comedians, but they were themselves, and
Speaker 5: I think that came through so clearly that I loved
Speaker 5: it that every time they would focus group the show,
Speaker 5: people would say, more of Kathy's parents, we love Kathy's parents.
Speaker 5: And even when my dad passed away, it was like
Speaker 5: during the filming of the show, so we covered it,
Speaker 5: and yet my mom and I are so grieving, and
Speaker 5: my siblings of course, and then you know, my mom
Speaker 5: kind of took over that space, and then it all
Speaker 5: became about Maggie and her box and wine, and you know, like,
Speaker 5: I'm so touched that people got to know my mom
Speaker 5: and dad on that show, because they really were like that.
Speaker 5: When people say I feel like I knew your parents,
Speaker 5: you did, I totally did.
Speaker 1: I totally did, especially Maggie, like, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: what a beautiful thing for you to have I had.
Speaker 5: I'm so proud, and I'm so proud of them because
Speaker 5: I get a lot of gay people to come up
Speaker 5: to me and say, watching that show with my parents
Speaker 5: made it easier for me to come out because they
Speaker 5: saw how tolerant your parents were. And I say, well,
Speaker 5: first of all, they were drunk, and second of all,
Speaker 5: I think you know. The great thing about my parents
Speaker 5: on the Dealers show is they never got on a
Speaker 5: soapbox and talked about gay rights or whatever. Well I
Speaker 5: shouldn't say that. My mom went to a march with me,
Speaker 5: but they just kind of, as Marishika would say, reeked
Speaker 5: of acceptance and would never judge a person negatively for
Speaker 5: being gay or LGBTQ any of the letters. And I'm
Speaker 5: so proud of that because I never had to prompt
Speaker 5: them to, like, hey, say something nice. That's just who
Speaker 5: they are. They were used to me hanging out with
Speaker 5: the gay kid that I somehow found in kindergarten. And
Speaker 5: I was a hag from when I was a child,
Speaker 5: and I'm a proud hag now, and my parents just
Speaker 5: kind of went along with everything and never judged anybody
Speaker 5: in that area. And it really touches me that even
Speaker 5: in the two thousands, like I'm not talking centuries ago,
Speaker 5: but there were gay people that didn't have an example
Speaker 5: of someone in their eighties going to like a gay
Speaker 5: bar for a happy hour because they had better appetizers
Speaker 5: and then talking to gay people, and they had a
Speaker 5: million gay friends, and people had stopped them on the street,
Speaker 5: and I eventually got them a condo in West Hollywood.
Speaker 5: The game back up Los Angeles, like the King and
Speaker 5: Queen of Who, and that was great. So I always
Speaker 5: say to people the series continued in real life even
Speaker 5: after we went out there, So it's I'm still very
Speaker 5: firmly planted the D list, trust me, and all that
Speaker 5: stuff still happens on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: Amazing. I don't know, I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: just out of nowhere, but so much of your stuff
Speaker 2: with celebs, I like hearing about celebs. Is there anyone
Speaker 2: that you thought was gonna be the worst and then
Speaker 2: you ended up being shockingly surprised at how great they were?
Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you the thing that gives me
Speaker 5: a ton of gratification, and it's now at the age
Speaker 5: of sixty three, it's happened a lot, and it's kind
Speaker 5: of one of my favorite things about doing stand up
Speaker 5: all these years, which is I really love it when
Speaker 5: a star comes up to me. And it's happened with
Speaker 5: everyone from Miley Cyrus to Sharon Stone, and they'll come
Speaker 5: up to me and go, oh, oh, you were just kidding,
Speaker 5: Like I remember Miley saying next to me, so that's
Speaker 5: whole time You've got me kidding, And I said, yes, Miley,
Speaker 5: I was just I'm just kidding. I'm a kiedion and
Speaker 5: I'm making fun of you because you're a gorgeous, successful,
Speaker 5: multi millionaire who's got the world by the tail, and
Speaker 5: you know, so I'm going to say a fair game.
Speaker 5: And so I'm friendly with Miley, I'm friendly with Sharon Stone,
Speaker 5: you know like that that's revelatory to me. So I
Speaker 5: just love when they come around and go like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: I get it. And like I said, I was good
Speaker 5: friends with Joan Rivers and I would see it with
Speaker 5: her where certain slabs would still be mad at her,
Speaker 5: and most of the time celebrities would be honored that
Speaker 5: she made fun of them. And that's my goal. I
Speaker 5: just want them to laugh. I'm not trying to make
Speaker 5: anybody cry. I'm not putting anybody on the no fly list.
Speaker 5: I did that, but I do like people to just
Speaker 5: understand I'm really just trying to lighten up somebody's day
Speaker 5: and get a laugh.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you got so much wisdom from Joan.
Speaker 2: Is there something that you think about all the time,
Speaker 2: or like a piece of advice that has, yeah, that
Speaker 2: you've thought of.
Speaker 4: For a long Yeah.
Speaker 5: Business. It showed business. So we talked about finances a lot.
Speaker 5: And you know, Joan was loaded, and people underestimated her
Speaker 5: at every turn, and she had so many lives she had,
Speaker 5: you know, after her own husband took his life, she
Speaker 5: took time off and then she did a Broadway show
Speaker 5: and people were like, oh wow, she's a really good actress.
Speaker 5: And when she was kind of blacklisted from nighttime, she
Speaker 5: went and had a daytime show and won an Emmy.
Speaker 5: People forget that she was the center square on Hollywood Squares,
Speaker 5: where you then have to cast eight people around you,
Speaker 5: and they all knew Joan might say whatever she felt
Speaker 5: like saying. So watching her be the cat with nine
Speaker 5: lives and bounce back every time I've been certainly looking
Speaker 5: up in heaven and hearing her because having been through
Speaker 5: now you know, cancer and addiction and I'm going through
Speaker 5: a divorce and all this stuff. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 5: her sayings like she would say, you know, we all
Speaker 5: make our own deals, Like you never know what somebody
Speaker 5: to deal is in life. You might think they're one way,
Speaker 5: but you don't know that it turns out that this
Speaker 5: person hasn't been working because they have a special needs
Speaker 5: daughter that they're taking care of, like you know what.
Speaker 5: And she always had that perspective. While she was being
Speaker 5: as naughty as she wanted to be, she still was
Speaker 5: very serious about the business of comedy, the money part
Speaker 5: of it, but also the seriousness and the art of it.
Speaker 5: And I admit I'm a bit of a snob. I
Speaker 5: really think stand up is a serious art form and
Speaker 5: I take it seriously, and I like the ones who
Speaker 5: take it really seriously. And I also I also don't
Speaker 5: believe that you're a real comic if you can't do
Speaker 5: your own material. So like we would talk about comedians
Speaker 5: they would get specials and they didn't even write their
Speaker 5: special So just like you come it, you're you know,
Speaker 5: so we would be very snobby and talk smack about everybody,
Speaker 5: and that was, you know, was more fun than that.
Speaker 1: Wait, as we were talking, a message pops up from
Speaker 1: Pam Lowshack, saying, how you do two and a half
Speaker 1: hours with one and a half lungs?
Speaker 5: I had lung cancer even though I never smoked, and
Speaker 5: so they took out half of my left lung. And
Speaker 5: so I should actually say I'm not just the only
Speaker 5: female comic to play Carnegie Hall six times, I'm the
Speaker 5: only one and a half lung female comic to do
Speaker 5: a lot of things. God damn, So, I don't like
Speaker 5: the way you two girls are flaunting your two lungs
Speaker 5: in my face right now.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 5: You're so superior.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna see you at Carnegie Hall. I opened
Speaker 2: it up, please please do so. I can't wait.
Speaker 5: This was all right, I'm not, by the way, I'm
Speaker 5: not thumping you. So this is a hint. No, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like you're no.
Speaker 5: I can tell the look on your face, the answous No, Pam, Pam.
Speaker 5: It's a hard pass. These bitches can pay, just like
Speaker 5: it comes out of my back end. And god damn it,
Speaker 5: no comps, no.
Speaker 4: No fucking comps. Thank you so amazing, Kathy. This was
Speaker 4: a dream, so amazing.
Speaker 5: Tells you guys are awesome.
Speaker 4: That was insane. I did have to grab a white claw,
Speaker 4: like I didn't know how to handle. I have to
Speaker 4: calm down.
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to people that are sober handle
Speaker 2: all their emotions and energy, like I truly don't even know.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even sit still.
Speaker 2: I it really is just such a pivotal moment to
Speaker 2: meet her because we missed I didn't meet Joan Rivers.
Speaker 2: That's someone that I always thought I would meet or
Speaker 2: you know, there's these icons, and to be able to
Speaker 2: meet such an icon, Yeah, that gave so much. I
Speaker 2: mean she she gave us all the bits. No, not
Speaker 2: one person we've ever interviewed just straight up has all
Speaker 2: the all, like just.
Speaker 4: Had at it.
Speaker 1: No, and like I love that everybody that we talked to,
Speaker 1: I mean, I love every person we've talked to. We've
Speaker 1: had great interviews. She's an amazing, well oiled machine. I
Speaker 1: had a great time on set. They made me feel welcome.
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin's not afraid to be like, No, I was
Speaker 1: fucking up, actually, Like it was really intense. It was
Speaker 1: I was out of my depth. Here's who helped me,
Speaker 1: Here's how I got through it. Like, I just love
Speaker 1: that her whole career is kind of not ever about
Speaker 1: apologizing really for herself, and always about just.
Speaker 4: Fucking telling the truth. She really is one of our best.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Even when she's talking about her photo, the photo that
Speaker 1: she got in trouble for, She's like, it's a protest photo.
Speaker 1: Some people thought it was funny, some people didn't. She's
Speaker 1: not like I wish I never did it, you know,
Speaker 1: she's like she stands by it. You know, she's a
Speaker 1: fucking icon.
Speaker 4: Of perneerance and integrity and integrity, and.
Speaker 2: While people don't think she does because like reality d
Speaker 2: List like all of that at the time didn as
Speaker 2: huge as it is now. And just being there for
Speaker 2: the gay community without like painting a rainbow on your head,
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't the goal as like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do this for the gaze, but it was very much
Speaker 2: like a safe space for a gaze.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Like, as a woman, I grow and
Speaker 1: like I've always been into celebrity gossip.
Speaker 4: That's mostly what her material is about.
Speaker 1: And I think she gets discounted because of it because
Speaker 1: people need you to do a full hour about I
Speaker 1: don't know, fucking pizza roles or whatever, like people need
Speaker 1: you to do a full hour about something else. I
Speaker 1: think it's great that that's what she focuses on, but
Speaker 1: I think it's like why a lot of people have
Speaker 1: discounted her because she talks about quote unquote like female
Speaker 1: and like gay stuff, which celebrity gossip falls into, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also felt I mean not positive, but
Speaker 2: validating and be like, no, stand up is still filled
Speaker 2: with misogynists and you know, assholes everywhere, and that it
Speaker 2: hasn't really changed, even though I do think it has
Speaker 2: in terms of there's more women, you can wear what
Speaker 2: you want, you can talk about what you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not.
Speaker 4: But definitely still Oh I mean no sexist. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think what I'm saying is like, the reason why
Speaker 1: I think that people don't put her up there with
Speaker 1: like the greats as much as they should is.
Speaker 4: Because sexism and her sexism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always loved her. I cried when her mom died.
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell her that in the interview,
Speaker 1: but I cried when Maggie.
Speaker 2: And she's so cool that I forgot about the lies
Speaker 2: of Menelly. When you brought it up, I go, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe. Yeah, she's so powerful that
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, you talk to Liza Menelli and.
Speaker 4: What I mean?
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, we've all been waiting for the phrase
Speaker 1: Liza Minelli's vagina to be on our podcast, and we
Speaker 1: may happen today, and that's what I'm really excited about.
Speaker 1: But I mean, let's move on to a post mortem
Speaker 1: of the episode, because I'm.
Speaker 2: Just going, wait, no, I do want to say one
Speaker 2: more thing. Oh yeah, so you know how Robin Williams
Speaker 2: set her up? Yeah, I was set up like that once.
Speaker 4: I did not read.
Speaker 2: I think it was of my cement, but I didn't
Speaker 2: read the chapters you were supposed read. And so I
Speaker 2: asked this guy Dennis, I go, fuck, did you read it?
Speaker 2: He goes yes, and there's a worksheep.
Speaker 4: I go, what kind of dog? What's this? What's that?
Speaker 4: What's He gave me everything? Fake?
Speaker 2: And I failed the assignment, but I didn't read. But
Speaker 2: I just trusted this guy. And then at lunch or
Speaker 2: wherever I come down, I'm like, what the fuck And
Speaker 2: he was just like laughing. I was like what kind
Speaker 2: of dog is it? And he was like a white,
Speaker 2: little fluffy, fun one and it was like I think
Speaker 2: it was on a you know, like an Old Yeller
Speaker 2: style dog situation or something like please. But I did
Speaker 2: get fucked over, But I love that Robin Williams fucked
Speaker 2: her up like that. But I it's like they did
Speaker 2: use the take where she was improvising, So to me,
Speaker 2: it's like why. It's like if someone's like, hey.
Speaker 4: Can you do clean? I go no, why would you?
Speaker 4: I sure I can't. Why would you want me to
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that she was saying that too
Speaker 1: about Maloney being so stiff about the improv because like
Speaker 1: he's done Wet Hot, he's worked with all these comedians,
Speaker 1: like he likes to do comedy, so I guess it's
Speaker 1: just he compartmentalizes, Like when I do comedy, we can improvide,
Speaker 1: but when I'm on SVU, we stick to the fucking script.
Speaker 2: But I love it, And it's the extra direction from Marishkatz,
Speaker 2: like it is just so formula, like you have to
Speaker 2: move and hate your marks and like do exactly what
Speaker 2: they need because they're on a time crunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they have a dramatic story to tell. I
Speaker 1: thought she did great. I thought she's I think she's
Speaker 1: excellent in this episode. Babs Duffy is maybe a top
Speaker 1: ten guest star character for me for sure. Okay, should
Speaker 1: we move on to this the post mortem of the episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what my thoughts are. Don't
Speaker 1: be pissed that lesbians are moving into your neighborhood. They're
Speaker 1: only making it better. Every neighborhood, basically in New York
Speaker 1: City or Los Angeles that gay people have taken over
Speaker 1: has only become a better, more fun with better, busier,
Speaker 1: cleaner area of town. You should not be murdering people
Speaker 1: or assaulting them because of that. But obviously that man
Speaker 1: had deeper problems also, but also just big apple aggressive
Speaker 1: anywhere you go get your age. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you're a lesbian or not. You can't just go out
Speaker 1: there punching people. Yeah, I'm sorry your girlfriend died, but
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to cold call Christopher Maloney out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Though it does, it has provided one of the funniest
Speaker 1: Maloney knockouts of my of my life, which I have
Speaker 1: made a I have made a montage punched out, this is.
Speaker 4: The best podcast ever.
Speaker 1: Let's move to we wouldn't give as much space possible
Speaker 1: for the Kathy interview because it's just the fucking best
Speaker 1: and we talked to her for an hour.
Speaker 4: Uh So, this week's what would Sister Peggy Go?
Speaker 2: And just to reiterate, do not steal blood for your
Speaker 2: boyfriend from the blood bank.
Speaker 5: Are you kidding?
Speaker 4: He's worried about getting HIV.
Speaker 1: I guess he can't be a fucking vampire, then don't yeh,
Speaker 1: don't risk your job for a fucking man or a vampire.
Speaker 4: I did watch Abigail again and it is so good.
Speaker 4: It's so good.
Speaker 1: You have Oh I see the picture of the little
Speaker 1: girl in her tuto and there's like blood splattered on it.
Speaker 4: That's like the thumbnail. Okay, So for this week, what
Speaker 4: would Sister peg Do?
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Speaker 1: about what we talked to about in the episode today.
Speaker 1: And we wanted to point you this week to the
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Speaker 2: You so much for that, and next week we'll be
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