Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done.
Speaker 2: Done, Hello, that's messed up?
Speaker 1: An SVU podcast. I am Liza Trigger and I am
Speaker 1: Kara Klank. This podcast is where we dissect an episode
Speaker 1: of SVU the true crime it was based on, and
Speaker 1: then we have a fabulous guest and today is no different.
Speaker 1: But before that, we chat and we have a shit
Speaker 1: ton going on, and we have been having a lot
Speaker 1: going on, and we're really excited.
Speaker 2: Just I mean, we're living our sex in the city,
Speaker 2: packed schedule lives. People would look in and be like,
Speaker 2: no one lives like that, and it's like, yes, we
Speaker 2: are eating oysters. Can you even believe it? Pasta in
Speaker 2: the streets of New York. But we are going to
Speaker 2: the Backstreet Boys tonight. So that's very thrilling. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like a TikTok countdown until then. Yeah, I refused
Speaker 2: to unpack. I am in my house. One suitcase is
Speaker 2: still in the car. I just I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: Lisa's coming off of a three city multinational.
Speaker 2: Tour, but tour makes it seem like I was working,
Speaker 2: and I was mostly gallivanting.
Speaker 1: We country fifty to fifty gallivanting working, you know. We
Speaker 1: talked about her trip to Finland and she is back
Speaker 1: from that. And then we met up in New York
Speaker 1: and we went to go see our friends show Oh God,
Speaker 1: an Hour about abortion at the Cherry Lane Theater, starring
Speaker 1: written by Alison Liby, our dear friend, and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: We had a blast.
Speaker 2: It's such a smart, funny, great show. And then you know,
Speaker 2: we get to sip champagne in the green room like
Speaker 2: a true fantasy.
Speaker 3: And then we went out on the town.
Speaker 2: And then we did go to San Diego right after,
Speaker 2: and so we did tell the live audience there in
Speaker 2: San Diego some of these stories.
Speaker 1: But that's just what happens when you see us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you see us five, you get the tea first.
Speaker 2: Don't be like these, you know, if you're the two
Speaker 2: hundred something people in San Diego, don't be like, oh,
Speaker 2: this story again.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, we gotta
Speaker 1: let everybody know. So we went to Allison's show, which
Speaker 1: by the way, has been extended at the Cherry Lane.
Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this now, I think you
Speaker 1: can still go see it.
Speaker 2: But I do want to say Kara missed this. But
Speaker 2: my friends and I were waiting outside to go in,
Speaker 2: and there is.
Speaker 1: Like sharing a wall with the Cherry Lane.
Speaker 2: Theater is a giant home and a preteen in ballet
Speaker 2: clothes comes out of it, and I'm like, I can't
Speaker 2: believe you're living here, like yeah.
Speaker 1: Like on Cherry Lane in New York City.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like and the mom was just like there,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to be like, can you just give
Speaker 2: us a rundown?
Speaker 3: Like I don't you? Just like what the deal?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who has the money?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 1: Family? Did somebody come up with a patent for an
Speaker 1: amazing idea? What's going on? How do you guys live here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is like the most beautiful, picturesque little street. We
Speaker 1: were rolling like twenty people deep. We just knew so
Speaker 1: many people that were going to see the show or
Speaker 1: friends that wanted to come with us. So we had
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 3: Me and Kara flew in, You flew in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was able to luckily leave my
Speaker 1: children and with my husband and find a ticket last
Speaker 1: minute and I was able to fly in, and I
Speaker 1: was so happy that I did, because I just do.
Speaker 2: You want to tell everyone about the dramatic story of
Speaker 2: daycare and communicable diseases.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, listen, we're living in a COVID world.
Speaker 1: But my child currently has hand foot in mouth, don't
Speaker 1: It's like the most disgusting name for a disease. It's
Speaker 1: literally just a rash and there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about it, but it's like very contagious. So she can't
Speaker 1: go to school. So she's home right now, and so
Speaker 1: is her brother because he can't go even though he
Speaker 1: doesn't have it yet. And it's just like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: moms are like, oh yeah, this shit because it like
Speaker 1: ravages through daycares. It's like, but then Oscar's daycare, there's
Speaker 1: multiple kids, Yeah, we kids, COVID.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything is wild.
Speaker 2: And what I've learned through this experience his parenthood just
Speaker 2: seems like everyone just trying to not be with their
Speaker 2: children as most as time as possible, and COVID really
Speaker 2: puts a fork in their place.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing is too, is like Lisa is always
Speaker 1: like Caro, what do you have going on? And I'm
Speaker 1: always like not anything compared to what you have going on.
Speaker 1: And I finally was like going out to Joshua Tree
Speaker 1: overnight trip to see this musician Nico Case, who I
Speaker 1: love that I've been wanting to see at this iconic
Speaker 1: venue called Pappy and Harriet's that's out in the desert.
Speaker 1: I was so excited, and then I can't go now
Speaker 1: because my kid has fucking handfoot in mouth whose alternate
Speaker 1: name is COXSACKI. I think that's the alternate name for
Speaker 1: hand foot in mouth. Like someone was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: the worst name, and I go, really, the other name
Speaker 1: is Cooksaki. So it's just like a horrible but we're
Speaker 1: living through it. Honestly, Rosie's in the best mood. I
Speaker 1: can't believe she has a fucking like disease right now.
Speaker 1: She's in a great can only kids have it, like
Speaker 1: adults can get it. But it's like a sore throat
Speaker 1: and it's like not as light, like it's just not
Speaker 1: as likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm having a spiral. If I should have
Speaker 2: watched the kids so you could have gone to Joshua.
Speaker 1: Tree, No, no, you would have had to watch two
Speaker 1: children all day, Lisa. You would have seriously jumped out
Speaker 1: of a window. That's why I was like, like, my
Speaker 1: I had a babysitter ready to pick them up from school,
Speaker 1: do dinner, stay over, take them to school. But with
Speaker 1: school out of the picture, I was like, we can't
Speaker 1: do it. But that's very sweet of you to eat,
Speaker 1: But you went that across your mind. We did get
Speaker 1: to go to dinner last night. We did get a babysitter.
Speaker 1: We went to dinner last night. We stayed out for
Speaker 1: like two and a half hours, and then we were like,
Speaker 1: should we go to a bar? And then we were like,
Speaker 1: let's just go home and watch drag Race. And then
Speaker 1: I of course fell asleep, but I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: watch the end.
Speaker 2: But well, it says one year? Was it two years ago?
Speaker 2: You had a big dinner party?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so for our five year. Our five year
Speaker 1: was June of the pandemic, and I was potted with
Speaker 1: Lisa and a couple of other couples and we had
Speaker 1: a little dinner party in our backyard and it was
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty nice. It was lovely, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a gourmet multi course meal for your wedding anniversary
Speaker 2: where none of.
Speaker 1: Us were at well, yeah, but it was also like
Speaker 1: it was also like we were dying to do anything
Speaker 1: that felt like an event because we'd already been two
Speaker 1: and a half months sequestered in our homes. But drag
Speaker 1: Race my jaws on the floor every single day.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, no they I'm on the Hysteria podcast as well.
Speaker 1: I'm like a rotating person on that podcast, and they
Speaker 1: do a thing called Sanity Corner and my like just
Speaker 1: something you're doing to keep yourself like calm. And I
Speaker 1: was like, honestly, this sounds so basic. But Drag Race
Speaker 1: all stars the winter season, it's just like there's no
Speaker 1: real shade, and that's like okay with me because they're
Speaker 1: all just so excellent and no one's going home and
Speaker 1: it's just like relaxing me. How good everyone relaxing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is relaxing. Everybody's so good.
Speaker 2: Like no one is a full mentally ill monster. You know,
Speaker 2: no one's just like, wow, you look like shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's none of that because no one looks like shit.
Speaker 2: That's actually I like when people say they look like shit.
Speaker 2: I take all those backs.
Speaker 1: Well, but I'm also not sitting there going you're obviously
Speaker 1: not gonna make it past episode three? Can we get
Speaker 1: you out of here? You know what I mean? There's
Speaker 1: no filler. It's all just quality, like drag excellence. Like
Speaker 1: everyone I thought of lunatic.
Speaker 2: I thought of like a Gia Gun being like you
Speaker 2: seem nervous, Yeah, are you nervous?
Speaker 1: Such a lunatic? Like I love Geagun but fully off
Speaker 1: the rails. Wait, so let's go back to New York
Speaker 1: really quickly and tell everybody what happened. So we So
Speaker 1: I walk in a little bit like after Lisa, and
Speaker 1: she's like, Arden's here, our good friend Arden Marine an
Speaker 1: amazing comedian, loner fore years. She's the best.
Speaker 2: Actually, I would say a very well known. If you
Speaker 2: saw her face, you would know her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I think comedian because that's how I
Speaker 1: know her. But she's an actress. She was on mad
Speaker 1: TV's on It. She was on a show called Insatiable.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's still on, but like it's.
Speaker 2: Not, but I watched two seasons. People were mad. I
Speaker 2: liked it. So then her friend, a coaster from that
Speaker 2: show's there and I run to care are going? Arden
Speaker 2: brought someone from svo and Kara could care less, But
Speaker 2: I go.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, because she doesn't give me any other information.
Speaker 1: She just goes Arden brought somebody who's been on SVU,
Speaker 1: and I go neat, like I met a fucking lady
Speaker 1: who was on SVU last week and she was boring
Speaker 1: as hell, like she had a small little part. I
Speaker 1: had no idea who it was. And then I go
Speaker 1: to see Liza at her seat. I look to Arden
Speaker 1: next to her, and then I look next to Arden
Speaker 1: and I'm like my eyes had to like adjust, like
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's fucking doctor Gregory Yates,
Speaker 1: like humongous part multiple episode arc, one of the biggest
Speaker 1: villains of all time on SVU. She just yeah, killed
Speaker 1: so many people and married him in a beach and
Speaker 1: he's just like sitting there and I'm like, ah, I go,
Speaker 1: will you be on our podcast? I think that's like
Speaker 1: the first thing I said to him. I just like screamed,
Speaker 1: while you be on our podcast? And he was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: you guys are nuts, like it was really fun.
Speaker 2: Well we were also from Happy Hour because then I
Speaker 2: looked at him and I go, we've had a.
Speaker 1: Few, yeah, and we were what was that we were
Speaker 1: flying high from Happy Hour? A tune a notcho. We
Speaker 1: had a lot going on.
Speaker 2: But also there's no need to fry a deviled egg.
Speaker 2: We want a devil egg for the cooling nature of it.
Speaker 2: We don't need it fried and warm and like gushing
Speaker 2: out of rye like I'll you.
Speaker 1: Know what, if I want that, I'll take a holopen,
Speaker 1: you'll popper. I don't need that in a double de egg.
Speaker 1: They were trying to halapen you'll popper fi a double
Speaker 1: degg at this place we went, but no, we found
Speaker 1: this great one of those like West.
Speaker 3: Well find it. Our friend told us.
Speaker 1: Our friend found it, but our friend founded. But one
Speaker 1: of these those ones where you go downstairs in the
Speaker 1: West Village. So if you're like in a like a
Speaker 1: cool basement bar on a warm June day. No one
Speaker 1: was in there basically just our friends and we just
Speaker 1: had a wonderful happy hour. Bounced over to the abortion show,
Speaker 1: met doctor Gregoryates. Afterwards we all got like a bunch
Speaker 1: of us, got to go and have champagne in the
Speaker 1: VIP room with Alison. Then we go to this after
Speaker 1: a restaurant and we're all hanging out. It was so fun.
Speaker 3: Well, I had a debacle there.
Speaker 2: I had a social debacle because I walk and there's
Speaker 2: a table filled with people, you know, and there's free
Speaker 2: seats behind.
Speaker 3: So I get the host. I'm like, can you set
Speaker 3: up a table for ten?
Speaker 2: We have a bunch of more people coming, and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: absolutely not, and I was like whatever, and then he
Speaker 2: finally does it. He sets up the table. You all
Speaker 2: arrive and you're like, we're not sitting at this table.
Speaker 2: We're going to the bar.
Speaker 1: And then the rest of the night, this man is
Speaker 1: glaring at me and then glaring.
Speaker 3: At this empty table.
Speaker 2: I made him set up, and it was just it
Speaker 2: was humiliating, and it.
Speaker 1: Was really me. I mean it was like other people.
Speaker 2: It was my best friend who stabbed me in the back.
Speaker 2: She was like, I'm not fucking sitting there, and then
Speaker 2: she went to the bar.
Speaker 1: I can't deal with splitting a check with twenty people,
Speaker 1: and I was like, fair enough, and so I would
Speaker 1: just went to order at the bar. And then suddenly
Speaker 1: I was just sitting at the bar for a while.
Speaker 2: But but I had an amazing pasta. I would go
Speaker 2: back there for sure.
Speaker 1: But then it was called Leroy House, right, I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: I want to give them a shout out if you
Speaker 1: said it's the most amazing pasta, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: It was a very good positive. You didn't need any
Speaker 2: of the pasta. No, I got the artichoke. I got
Speaker 2: something else.
Speaker 1: And then they cleared the artichokes before we were done,
Speaker 1: and I like made a face and the guy's like,
Speaker 1: I'll take it off your bill, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank you. I just made a face, but thank you. No,
Speaker 1: I got a couple things and it was all really good.
Speaker 3: It was good.
Speaker 2: So, you know, Kara described the pregame place and being
Speaker 2: like it was empty, no one was there, and.
Speaker 3: That was our goal for the after after.
Speaker 2: But like it was pride in the village on a
Speaker 2: Friday night, and so we were walking from bar to bar,
Speaker 2: going two packed and then leaving or everyone's twenty four
Speaker 2: and it was like we went to seven bars. But
Speaker 2: as someone that was just in New York for a
Speaker 2: quick weekend, it was like, I'll walk around the West
Speaker 2: Village all day long. Yeah, I love this, But it
Speaker 2: was like why is there not an empty bar?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We just kept being like why isn't that a
Speaker 1: bar with like three old gay men in it? Like
Speaker 1: why why are we like having to find so many
Speaker 1: young people, but we're out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a lot. Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was cool. It was cool, just not for our purposes.
Speaker 2: And then I had a friend's wedding the next so
Speaker 2: I didn't want to get too wild on a Friday either.
Speaker 1: I had a big and I had a seven am
Speaker 1: flight and I flew into La to throw my son's
Speaker 1: one year birthday party because I am actually a maniac. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a we loan event. There's a photo of me.
Speaker 1: I'll put it on the Instagram for the podcast. It's
Speaker 1: like literally me holding both my kids and you can
Speaker 1: just see in my eyes I've been drinking for two nights,
Speaker 1: Like you can just see, like she I can't be
Speaker 1: doing this right now, Like both my kids are on
Speaker 1: my lap and everybody's trying to take a cute picture
Speaker 1: of me, and my eyes are like help me, you know. So,
Speaker 1: But I was It was worth it. The birthday party
Speaker 1: went great, and the trip to New York was amazing.
Speaker 1: And then San Diego. Thank you. Everybody who came out
Speaker 1: at San Diego waited to meet us and everything. We
Speaker 1: had the best time.
Speaker 3: It was such a fun show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have my Comedy. Lisa's gonna be there in August.
Speaker 1: If you live in the San Diego area, Lisa's gonna
Speaker 1: be at Mike Drop Comedy. That club is fucking on it.
Speaker 1: They're a new club, so they like I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're trying to prove themselves or what, but they're
Speaker 1: doing it like they've got everything covered.
Speaker 3: They made us some table.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the menu is amazing, but also the table
Speaker 2: is made out of candy.
Speaker 1: So the tables in the groom in the green room,
Speaker 1: you don't get to sit at it. Sorryroom. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like it just like they they've got They made us
Speaker 1: some menu that was like Elite squad, a lo ta
Speaker 1: like all this, like all stuff that was like about
Speaker 1: exactly right about our names on the podcast. In his view,
Speaker 1: it was so cute. So anyway, great place go see
Speaker 1: Lisa in August. Anyway, crazy fun weekend and now tonight
Speaker 1: we're going to the Backstreet Boys and we'd like, I mean,
Speaker 1: we should probably shout out our friend and Backstreet hostess
Speaker 1: who listens to the pod, Sophia. It's her birthday and
Speaker 1: she invited us and we're so excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She is Hannah's bestie from Canada from on shore, not
Speaker 2: that Hannah's from there.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: Oh and I came home and our friend Alex.
Speaker 2: Sent us key chains that say especially Hanas and executive
Speaker 2: producer Dick.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're so cute. Oh, I have a photo of
Speaker 1: the menu.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a drink called Probable Cause, which is funny.
Speaker 2: It's a fishbowl, Benson fly re examine wrap, Done Done sliders.
Speaker 1: It was fucking We should make like our own menu.
Speaker 1: That's like ex partey platter, like the stuff we talk
Speaker 1: about on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Wait, but I okay, I was looking for this. So
Speaker 2: obviously we love social events, so of course we're gonna
Speaker 2: fly to go to weddings, to go to events, events, events.
Speaker 2: But then I didn't see this horoscope meme that really
Speaker 2: you laughed at my face, didn't you?
Speaker 3: Why I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: It is like such a read so it's like fake
Speaker 2: vulture articles and it says in quotes, I hate this city,
Speaker 2: says a virgo who never leaves their house. And I
Speaker 2: was like, mother, wow, wow, wow, wow.
Speaker 3: Bethany, Wow.
Speaker 1: I feel attacked. I feel very attacked, very attacked.
Speaker 3: And not me.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Lisa. I'm a virgo who loves to
Speaker 1: leave my house. I'm the opposite. I'm the September side
Speaker 1: over Ago. I don't know if it's the hoggest side
Speaker 1: that likes to chill, but.
Speaker 3: I'm also out.
Speaker 2: I do want to shout out my friend Emmy's wedding.
Speaker 2: I met a listener Meg, her husband Kevin. They have
Speaker 2: a wine shop in a town I can't remember. I'm sorry, Meg,
Speaker 2: but so I met Meg and Kevin, very good chats,
Speaker 2: and then Emmy and Nick at Elpenguino. I do need
Speaker 2: a shout out, and I think every wedding should adopt this.
Speaker 2: Just have a giant bucket of caviar and a giant
Speaker 2: bucket of potato chips and crackers, and that's why that's
Speaker 2: the wedding. Okay, Yeah, dipping caviar till two in the
Speaker 2: morning because there's too much caviar and no one could
Speaker 2: finish it. Like what does this Great Gatsby like fantasy?
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. Just dipping into caviar. I want
Speaker 2: it all over and shout out to Rainbow Cookies.
Speaker 3: So that's it. That's it?
Speaker 1: Ever, Yeah, no, my love, Speaking of wine, we did
Speaker 1: meet two listeners in San Diego. They both had podcast.
Speaker 1: One girl has a podcast called the Chatty Fox that's
Speaker 1: about wine, I guess. But then her friend goes. Her
Speaker 1: friend goes, oh, yeah, on my podcast, I talk about
Speaker 1: you guys all the time. When we go what's your podcast,
Speaker 1: she goes, it's called that Fuck Me Up. It's about
Speaker 1: shows that fucked me up. And it's like, you are
Speaker 1: so funny. So if you're interested in another podcast, I
Speaker 1: guess about TV shows that fucked this girl up. There
Speaker 1: they are. It just really made me laugh and they
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Also, I love seeing all the like aunts and niece's
Speaker 2: mom daughters out.
Speaker 1: At the shows. That makes me feel happy.
Speaker 2: And one woman said she lets her children listen to
Speaker 2: the intro, so I do love that.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, she goes, she loves it when you guys
Speaker 1: say idiot or stupid. And I'm like, what about if
Speaker 1: we say dumb bitch, which we say all the time.
Speaker 1: She was like whatever. I was like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I swear in front of Rosie. I'm trying to decrease
Speaker 1: the importance of swear words.
Speaker 3: Yeah and oh, I.
Speaker 2: Yelled at a group of people at the Fire Island screen.
Speaker 1: It went to but I stop talking. They wouldn't. So wait.
Speaker 1: So there's a scene in Fire Island that I love
Speaker 1: where Bowen Yang sings a Britney Spears song and I
Speaker 1: didn't no bone I could sing like he sounds great.
Speaker 1: And so when the song's going on, Lisa leans forward
Speaker 1: and looks at me because there's a couple of people
Speaker 1: in between us, but we're wearing masks, so I can't
Speaker 1: see what she's saying. I just see her eyes getting wild,
Speaker 1: and so I go, I know, I didn't know Bowen
Speaker 1: could sing either. And then she turns to the guys
Speaker 1: in front of us and goes, can you seriously just
Speaker 1: be quiet for one minute? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she was mad about the guys. I was excited about Bowen.
Speaker 1: Never mind miscommunication. This is the problem with masks everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm a Republican now, I'm.
Speaker 2: An anti masker. I've said it once. I've said it before.
Speaker 2: My good friend Julia was like, you wore a mask
Speaker 2: on your flight, right. I go, no, absolutely not. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm done. If you're not forcing, I'm not gonna fight anyone.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna yell at an employee, even if I'm
Speaker 2: on the train and people around me are wearing masks.
Speaker 2: I'll wear a mask for their comfort, but no, no, no,
Speaker 2: if I have an opportunity not and if I am
Speaker 2: told too now, I like roll my eyes and I'm like, really,
Speaker 2: I definitely I'm done.
Speaker 1: No, where are your masks?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: And I also, I had a show last night I
Speaker 2: got canceled because of COVID, and I'm like, grow up,
Speaker 2: it's like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a very COVID conscious show that got canceled.
Speaker 1: They're very strict about it.
Speaker 2: So I could say that these men were talking right
Speaker 2: from the jump, and I knew what they were gonna do.
Speaker 3: So I quietly went, you're gonna stop talking.
Speaker 2: Right. They ignored me. Maybe they didn't hear me. Maybe
Speaker 2: I should have spoken louder. And then I realized, like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm at this gay fest. There are a bunch of
Speaker 2: gay men. I've never even been to Fire Island. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, let them celebrate if they want to chat
Speaker 2: a little in this event. I'm gonna just I'm gonna
Speaker 2: try to focus on this movie. And it is fine.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a good time. But they wouldn't stop.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1: They were acting like they were MSc three k ing
Speaker 1: the movie like they were just talking, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they were just doing mystery science theater
Speaker 1: commentary like the whole time.
Speaker 2: The whole time. And it's like, this movie comes out
Speaker 2: in Hulu in three hours. Yeah, you could have watched
Speaker 2: it at home and talk the whole time, like what
Speaker 2: so true?
Speaker 1: We were at a ten pm screening hours before it
Speaker 1: comes out.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even the premier screening that was earlier. It
Speaker 2: was just like I and then I broke, and then
Speaker 2: I just couldn't handle it anymore. And then they stopped
Speaker 2: talking and it was such so much more enjoyable. I
Speaker 2: was like, I should have yelled at them hours ago.
Speaker 1: But listen, at this point, this movie's been out for
Speaker 1: three weeks. But if you haven't seen Fire Island yet,
Speaker 1: it is so fucking good. You guys should see it.
Speaker 1: If you watched our very first live show, Joel Kim Booster,
Speaker 1: the writer and star of this movie, was a guest
Speaker 1: on our live show. He's a pal of ours. The
Speaker 1: movie has such an amazing cast. It's beautifully shot, It's
Speaker 1: so heartfelt but also hilarious, so many good jokes, like
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about it. I really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Why all the flags?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it is it is such.
Speaker 1: We said that all weekend. I just have to say,
Speaker 1: I was like, why all the flags? Well, anyone trade
Speaker 1: me a cress white strip for a prep Like I
Speaker 1: just thought it was like there were so many jokes,
Speaker 1: Like I was so impressed with Joel's acting, but the
Speaker 1: writing really blew me away too, Like I was really
Speaker 1: good to.
Speaker 2: Like housewives nods to clueless. Obviously if you read that
Speaker 2: like and prejudiced, you'll see more under a Country gust to.
Speaker 1: Marissa Chome and my cousin Vinnie. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it's a great It's just a great movie. So you've
Speaker 1: got Hulu, probably because you're watching this for you, So
Speaker 1: get on there and watch Fire Island. And I don't
Speaker 1: know should we start. It feels like we've been here talking.
Speaker 2: We've been here a long time, but we've had a
Speaker 2: jam packed lots of jam packed adventures.
Speaker 1: So of course we're going to talk.
Speaker 2: About of course, of course and job. And now I'm like,
Speaker 2: did we forget anything? Oh the bad date? Should we
Speaker 2: just keep them waiting forever?
Speaker 1: Ah? Next week we talked about the bad day or
Speaker 1: post mortem.
Speaker 3: Maybe in the post mortam we'll see.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, make you guys listen to the end of
Speaker 1: the episode. You got to listen to the whole thing
Speaker 1: if you want to hear about Lisa's bad date. But
Speaker 1: now we're yeah, now let's get starting. We're starting. We're starting.
Speaker 1: Oh keydo here we go a legacy Season two episode
Speaker 1: four Wow, airing November tenth in the year two thousand.
Speaker 1: Can you believe?
Speaker 2: I can't because it's such a vivid episode for me,
Speaker 2: Like my memory of this episode is crystal clear sharp,
Speaker 2: and I can't believe that it's season two.
Speaker 1: It's so true. I've seen this one a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't Yeah, it feels like a more like
Speaker 1: I would guess season six or seven if you asked me, Like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it's so far away, but it
Speaker 1: is one of those original babies. And we open on
Speaker 1: a douchey high school kid who's on a landline at
Speaker 1: seven am talking about football with his friend, like I
Speaker 1: can't relate to you. The mom comes out and is like,
Speaker 1: hurry up, kids, you'll be late for school. And there's
Speaker 1: like a little boy sitting at the table like just
Speaker 1: like drinking OJ with like you know, soggy trick serial
Speaker 1: next to him, and the mom asks, has anyone seen
Speaker 1: Emily and the douche sons like, I don't know, and
Speaker 1: it's not his responsibility to wake her up, Like you
Speaker 1: can tell he's not easy to live with. And then
Speaker 1: she tells the little boy who I thought was six
Speaker 1: but you later find out he's like four, to hurry
Speaker 1: up because they're leaving in ten minutes. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like the soggy Tricks and the OJ together gave
Speaker 1: me like a bad taste in my mouth immediately. But
Speaker 1: the mom goes into Emily's room. They live in a
Speaker 1: beautiful apartment multi level, and the mom goes into Emily's
Speaker 1: room and she's in bed, unresponsive, and when she goes
Speaker 1: to pick her up, she's like limp, and she notices
Speaker 1: a huge contusion on the back of her neck, and
Speaker 1: she like yells for the douche sun justin to come
Speaker 1: up and help her. And now we're at the hospital
Speaker 1: and a doctor's giving Benson and stable or the walk
Speaker 1: and Talk breakdown. She's a seven year old girl with
Speaker 1: a subdural hematoma, and there's evidence that indicates the pressure's
Speaker 1: been building for hours. And I will say personal experience,
Speaker 1: My mom fell in a restaurant in San Francisco because
Speaker 1: she wears dumb shoes. Like she never wears shoes with
Speaker 1: any support. She's completely style overfunction and she sounds so
Speaker 1: shocking to me. Oh yeah, she'll buy like if she
Speaker 1: finds cute little flats with no support for her arches,
Speaker 1: she'll buy them in seven colors. So she fell in
Speaker 1: these shoes, hit like fell. We didn't even realize she
Speaker 1: didn't really she hit her head. She just fell with
Speaker 1: like such a velocity that like a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: later she had a subdural hematoma and like thank god
Speaker 1: they found it because those can like be really bad
Speaker 1: and she had to get like she had to get
Speaker 1: it like drained or I don't know what they do,
Speaker 1: but it was like she was in the hospital. It
Speaker 1: was like really scary, and it was fully she had
Speaker 1: not hit her head. She had just fallen with like
Speaker 1: a the way that your brain can like smack to
Speaker 1: the back of your skull.
Speaker 2: I guess if you're in a bad fall. But does
Speaker 2: she wear like comfortable doctor shoes.
Speaker 1: No, that's the thing. And like we went to Europe
Speaker 1: one time and I was like, can you please wear
Speaker 1: sneakers and she was like, m she loves like ballet
Speaker 1: flats and loafers and stuff like that, but like the
Speaker 1: not with any support, so wild, that's crazy. I had
Speaker 1: my sister and I one year for Christmas got her
Speaker 1: like nice loafers from like a fancier place that like
Speaker 1: had like you know, arch support, and she was like thanks,
Speaker 1: but like I don't know if she ever wore them,
Speaker 1: Like she's crazy. But that's the story about a subdirl anyway.
Speaker 1: Subdirl hematomas are scary because they just can like build
Speaker 1: them pressure underneath your skull forever until something bad happens. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Emily did not fall in a restaurant. The doctor says
Speaker 1: it is blunt trauma and she has fractured ribs, pelvic
Speaker 1: bruising and vaginal trauma indicates sexual assault. Oh terrible. And
Speaker 1: then we see mom hysterical on a couch nearby. She's
Speaker 1: got douche son Justin and the little cutie Michael is
Speaker 1: next to her, and the father is out of town
Speaker 1: on business, and Benson's like, so have a nice weekend,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like, I don't remember having a weekend, and
Speaker 1: these are just the hard hitting jokes that I think
Speaker 1: we can expect to get at the end of a
Speaker 1: cold open in season two. So we are at the
Speaker 1: top of act one, the mom, whose name is Jamie,
Speaker 1: is crying to Benson and Stabler, and we find out
Speaker 1: that Emily had just gotten back from a visit with
Speaker 1: her dad, so she is from a previous relationship. Justin
Speaker 1: is her step son, so her husband's son, and then
Speaker 1: Michael is her child with her current husband, so they're
Speaker 1: like a very blended family. And then Justin is you know,
Speaker 1: giving insane attitude like can we go now? I have
Speaker 1: a quiz and trig And it's like really annoying to
Speaker 1: watch him because well because even.
Speaker 2: If it's not your stepsister and it's just a random
Speaker 2: little girl, like would she at least be like, I
Speaker 2: hope she's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like he has no feeling, he has like
Speaker 1: no empathy, Like it's weird. And he is the kind
Speaker 1: of kid that Stabler loves to fuck with. So like
Speaker 1: you can see Stabler's like little eyebrows like perk up,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to fucking punch this kid at some point.
Speaker 1: And then Emily's dad, Denny Correa, shows up and he
Speaker 1: is played by Yancey Arius who has an extensive IMDb,
Speaker 1: and you know, the wife, Jamie and Denny immediately start
Speaker 1: fighting and he wants to see the little girl, and
Speaker 1: the mom's like, get out of here. And Jamie tells
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler that Denny's always had a problem with
Speaker 1: his anger, but since she got married to her current husband,
Speaker 1: it's escalated. So now we're with Stabler and he's talking
Speaker 1: to Denny and he's like, she watched The Lion King
Speaker 1: all afternoon and then I cooked her a quick dinner
Speaker 1: and her mom picked her up, and he throws an
Speaker 1: accusation out at Jamie's husband, whose name is Randall McKenna,
Speaker 1: and he's like, he touches Emily. I saw the bruises,
Speaker 1: and he asked Emily what happened, and she started to cry,
Speaker 1: and so Denny reported it, but Jamie told the caseworker
Speaker 1: that it was Denny, and Jamie like wants what she
Speaker 1: wants no matter who it hurts, is what he says,
Speaker 1: and so like she was able to twist his report
Speaker 1: onto him. So at the precinct, Stabler tells us that
Speaker 1: Emily's abuse is long term, but that the head injury
Speaker 1: is from a window of ten to twenty four hours
Speaker 1: before she was admitted to the hospital. The rape kit
Speaker 1: turned up a hair and a nylon bristle embedded in
Speaker 1: abrasions on her butt.
Speaker 2: So click who wrote that that's insane? I know, a
Speaker 2: hair bristle in a butt like that is so such
Speaker 2: a wild detail.
Speaker 3: Even fres view.
Speaker 1: It is such a wild detail. But when I hear it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so somebody got spanked with a hair brush,
Speaker 1: Like that's what I immediately think, Like I wouldn't think
Speaker 1: that that was like a sexual thing, But they talk
Speaker 1: about this later in the episode. So anyway, Finn and
Speaker 1: Munch are both in a shirt and side us code
Speaker 1: was much more you know, strict back in the early seasons.
Speaker 1: I would say, we have not yet seen you know,
Speaker 1: Finn's leather blazer that he wears all the time. So
Speaker 1: in this window of time, she was with her mom's
Speaker 1: family and her dad's family. So it's really hard to
Speaker 1: narrow down like who could have done it because she was,
Speaker 1: you know, bleeding internally, and so we don't know like
Speaker 1: when this happened, Denny. We find out as a Cuban
Speaker 1: immigrant who did time for assault in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: and now he works as a cook at the Greenbrier School,
Speaker 1: which is the school where Emily goes. And the stepdad,
Speaker 1: Randall McKenna's a Wall Street guy like mister money Bags.
Speaker 1: And we find out that Michael, the little guy who's
Speaker 1: like four, is disabled nonverbal, and that Justin is fifteen.
Speaker 1: So that's like the stats on the family, and Randall
Speaker 1: the rich man is still on in DC on business.
Speaker 1: So then munch says, which brings us back to Desi,
Speaker 1: which is referencing Desi Arnez. I guess because he's also Cuban.
Speaker 1: This joke would not fly today. But this is a
Speaker 1: very much joke heavy up episode. I'm calling his little
Speaker 1: joke munchables. I don't know. We can brainstorm some other ideas,
Speaker 1: so no munchables. That is our new fucking merch. Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Munchables. It would have a little.
Speaker 2: Sunglasses, a little like a little mic a spy kit.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'm not a coffee like something,
Speaker 1: yeah something. Jfk oh Wait doesn't he like fig milkshakes.
Speaker 1: He likes fig shakes. Anyway, so munchable, bungeable. So after
Speaker 1: this little bunch of ble, we get Finn being like, okay,
Speaker 1: so how did this society chick and this like cook
Speaker 1: end up together? You know, like, and it's the tail.
Speaker 2: As I was thinking, we're all thinking, yeah, maybe it's racism,
Speaker 2: maybe it's you know, whatever we're thinking, but we all thought.
Speaker 1: It right, And the answer is the tale as old
Speaker 1: as time. Rehab. She was there kicking an amphetamine habit,
Speaker 1: and he was teaching a dance class. And that's funny
Speaker 1: to me, Like I love a zoomba class, and I
Speaker 1: hope that I bet you he had a very popular
Speaker 1: class because he's like cute.
Speaker 2: When I worked at Fat Camp, we had a dancer
Speaker 2: from France and we learned dance moves to Estelle's American Boy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Was the hit of the camp.
Speaker 2: I would say, he didn't speak English and he would
Speaker 2: just break dance and we loved it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what this.
Speaker 1: Reminded me of. Okay, so he is the French counselor
Speaker 1: at Fat Camp, essentially at rehab, and he got her
Speaker 1: pregnant and the mother made the rehab fire. Denny and
Speaker 1: the mother is Lois Huntington, the chair of the Avery
Speaker 1: Huntington Foundation. She is the widow of the late ambassador. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we're really getting an idea of how like
Speaker 1: high up level Jamie is like her dad was an ambassador.
Speaker 1: But also you're not supposed to like fuck the patients
Speaker 1: at the rehab where you teach dance, you know. But
Speaker 1: he's not a doctor or therapist.
Speaker 2: It's not like he's signed a thing like it's did
Speaker 2: but it's not illegal.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: No one's underage, so it could be like unethical or so,
Speaker 2: but not really. You know, it's like it's the arts
Speaker 2: and crafts teaching.
Speaker 1: And you're not in power, right and no one's under
Speaker 1: the influence because you're at rehab, you know, getting clean.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Kragan's like everybody get working or the rich
Speaker 1: people are gonna be up my ass, which is usually
Speaker 1: that's like a very Kragan thing, is like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: this involves rich people. Let's get going. They're gonna come
Speaker 1: after me. So now we're at an apartment with a
Speaker 1: great view but very old style and furnishings, and Lois
Speaker 1: Huntington has like the helmet hair and she's telling the
Speaker 1: detectives that Denny took advantage of Jamie when she was vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and a butler is serving them tea. I like how
Speaker 1: they mix it up, Like a lot of times there's maids.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about old school made outfits versus
Speaker 1: plain clothes maids outfits, and this is a full on butler.
Speaker 1: This is a man serving them tea, and Olivia it
Speaker 1: just like takes a cup of tea while she's being
Speaker 1: served and while she's questioning the witness, and it's very funny.
Speaker 1: So there's a frame picture of Bill Clinton on the
Speaker 1: side table next to Stabler, and I just thought that
Speaker 1: was wild. And also a listener did send us a
Speaker 1: screenshot of a photo on Benson's desk of Benson and
Speaker 1: Obama together, which is obviously Marishka and Obama together, but
Speaker 1: it's added Benson meet Obama. I'd love to know. And
Speaker 1: the backlog anyway, Lois explains that she tried to get
Speaker 1: Jamie to aboard the pregnancy and they're like, okay, well
Speaker 1: when did this addiction start? And she's like, oh please,
Speaker 1: their prescription diet pills. Like she's downplaying the fuck out
Speaker 1: of the addiction, like it's not a big deal. She said.
Speaker 1: Jamie had a discipline problem, and she was an only
Speaker 1: child and her father indulged her. She was daddy's little girl,
Speaker 1: and when he died, she became badly behaved, and so
Speaker 1: she shipped her off to boarding school at eleven. And
Speaker 1: that's pretty early to go to boarding school. I guess
Speaker 1: there are like boarding middle schools, but that's young. Usually
Speaker 1: start in high school at like fourteen. But then the
Speaker 1: mother says, well, at least the pregnancy straightened Jamie out,
Speaker 1: she said. After Jamie filed for custody, Denny broke three
Speaker 1: bones in Randall's face and threatened to kill him, and
Speaker 1: Randall offered Denny a deal. He goes, if you will
Speaker 1: give up custody of Emily to us, I will not
Speaker 1: file charges against you for, you know, breaking my nose
Speaker 1: in three places or whatever. And the deal expires on Friday,
Speaker 1: so we are in the middle of the deal time period,
Speaker 1: and Denny has until then to sign the papers. Lois
Speaker 1: hopes that Denny refuses and gets the jail time he
Speaker 1: deserves and calls him a vile creature. But I bet
Speaker 1: if he was a white fry cook she'd be like, fine,
Speaker 1: let's get you a job in the mailroom at the foundation.
Speaker 1: You know, she'd help him out more. But she's probably
Speaker 1: a very racist woman. So now we are at ACS
Speaker 1: and we're talking to a social worker and she is
Speaker 1: very familiar, this woman, and I looked her up. Her
Speaker 1: name is Michelle Hurst, and this is her second of
Speaker 1: five SVU episodes she's done, so that's where I know
Speaker 1: her from. She was also in season one of Orange
Speaker 1: is a New Black, but I don't remember her character
Speaker 1: because that seems like a million years ago to me.
Speaker 1: But she's done original recipe, lawn order, she's done criminal intent.
Speaker 1: She's a dick wolf baby. So they gave joint custody
Speaker 1: to Denny when Emily was a little baby because Jamie
Speaker 1: was still struggling with her addiction and the baby was sick.
Speaker 1: And then Lois, it turns out, not only supported this
Speaker 1: arrangement but used her connections to make it like go
Speaker 1: through faster. So about a year ago, Jamie started challenging
Speaker 1: the custody arrangement and they investigated these claims of abuse,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't find anything. And Finn's like, uh, broken bones,
Speaker 1: and She's like dude, kids are clumsy as hell, like
Speaker 1: get out of here, like their kids have broken bones
Speaker 1: all the time, like riding a bike, like I don't
Speaker 1: know what to tell you, And Munch really tries to
Speaker 1: sass this woman likes that how you sleep at night,
Speaker 1: and she goes, oh me, I haven't had a good
Speaker 1: night's sleep in ten years, Like, don't even try to
Speaker 1: come for me, Like my life is terrible. I work
Speaker 1: at ACS and it is really tough because ACS does
Speaker 1: fuck up, and they are also underpaid and overworked. So like,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this in previous episodes, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: we will again today. So at the Greenbrier School, the
Speaker 1: principal is filling in Munch and Finn about how Denny
Speaker 1: works three shifts in the kitchen, but he never misses
Speaker 1: going to storytime in Emily's classroom. He sounds like a
Speaker 1: very hard working dad, but this principle clearly is like
Speaker 1: on his side, and they're like weak.
Speaker 2: I knew it, Michelle Hurst, she's in Sex in the
Speaker 2: City as well.
Speaker 1: I just looked at it. Yeah, I fucking knew it.
Speaker 1: So what's her episode?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's the one where Samantha takes an
Speaker 2: AIDS test. Yes, she's the nurse that takes her in
Speaker 2: to be like what kind of condoms and like can
Speaker 2: you not?
Speaker 3: Can you just wear a condom?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was yes. I think I saw really quickly
Speaker 1: that she was in Sex and the City and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, nurse. Maybe that was like just a
Speaker 1: tiny part, but that is a very like I remember
Speaker 1: that episode very very well. Actually it's just not her part,
Speaker 1: I guess. All right, So they're asking the principle about
Speaker 1: the report she filed, because I guess she filed the
Speaker 1: report with ACS, and she says, yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: report all injuries, but she said Emily broke her leg
Speaker 1: learning to ride a bike. And the principal is like,
Speaker 1: really going to bat for Denny. She's known him for
Speaker 1: six years and all that time she's never even heard
Speaker 1: him like raise his voice at Emily, and so she's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well who else hangs with Emily? And then here we
Speaker 1: go with the fucking unhinged plot point. Oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: loose man named Henry Aboden. He's the Minister of Protocol
Speaker 1: for the Brunei Mission. He's a friend of the school
Speaker 1: and he's taken a special interest in Emily, and that's
Speaker 1: not a red flag at all. He takes her to
Speaker 1: dance class, reads, he reads to her. They just love
Speaker 1: each other. It's a platonic love between a seven year
Speaker 1: old girl and an adult man. I really just cannot
Speaker 1: So she's basically skywriting the word pedophile over them. And
Speaker 1: then this clueless principle directs them to this little girl
Speaker 1: named Jennifer, and she's like, that's Emily's best friend. Like
Speaker 1: they're frickin' frack, like, go talk to her. So now
Speaker 1: munch is talking to Jennifer. And this girl, Jennifer was
Speaker 1: actually kind of a successful child actress. She was in
Speaker 1: Cider House Rules and The Patriot and the show twenty
Speaker 1: four but she does not act anymore. But I just
Speaker 1: noticed shed like an impressive like run as a child. Anyway,
Speaker 1: she thinks the name munch is funny, and she is correct,
Speaker 1: and she says and he goes, well, what about this.
Speaker 1: If I ever have kids, I'm gonna have to call
Speaker 1: the Munchkins another Munchable. And he's absolutely killing it with
Speaker 1: a seven year old. She loves him. She's immediately warm
Speaker 1: to this old end up comedian wearing dark glasses. I
Speaker 1: get uncomfortable when the detectives like talk down to children
Speaker 1: and do their little child act. It makes me feel weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think because honestly, I will say, I think that's
Speaker 1: because there's a movement now that's more modern to talk
Speaker 1: to kids like respectfully and like in a way like
Speaker 1: not like an adult, but like not that they're like
Speaker 1: baby talk, you know, And I think that's more modern.
Speaker 1: And so in this show, like they do capture a
Speaker 1: lot of like and what about your friend? Anything about
Speaker 1: you know, like that I like it. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's cringey. So he brings up Emily and he's
Speaker 1: like and she's like, yeah, Henry takes her to shows,
Speaker 1: buys her toys like I want She's like, I want
Speaker 1: a Henry, you know. And then he says Emily's dad
Speaker 1: was mad because her mommy was trying to take Emily
Speaker 1: away and he was taking her on a trip to Cuba.
Speaker 1: So this girl's got like all the tea and she
Speaker 1: is spilling it in this like classroom. So then this
Speaker 1: poor girl is like, Okay, we're best friends. Now do
Speaker 1: you want to see my barbie with hair that grows?
Speaker 1: And Munch is like nah, I got what I needed.
Speaker 1: I'll see you later, like he just fully. I'm like, Munch,
Speaker 1: take two seconds and look at her little Barbie doll.
Speaker 1: But then Munch can't get up out of the little
Speaker 1: kid's chair, and it's very funny. So we're getting a
Speaker 1: lot of Munch physical and verbal comedy in this episode.
Speaker 1: At the precinct, to the two duos Munch and Finn
Speaker 1: and Benson and Stabl are like filling each other in
Speaker 1: and they noticed Munch is kind of win sing and
Speaker 1: he like, I think he's like still in pain because
Speaker 1: he couldn't because he had to sit in a little
Speaker 1: kid chair, and he goes, now, I'm a pain in
Speaker 1: my own ass, Munch of all. So Finn found the
Speaker 1: two one way tickets to Cuba via Quebec in Emily
Speaker 1: and Denny's names. So turns out the little girl had
Speaker 1: the goods. And so now Munch and Stable are talking
Speaker 1: to Denny and he's like, I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: Emily away from her abuser, and they're like, so you
Speaker 1: beat the shit out of him, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: just want to talk to him to see if I
Speaker 1: could shame in him into leaving my daughter alone. Then
Speaker 1: he pushed me. It happened so fast. They bring up
Speaker 1: his past arrest. They're like, you beat up a store
Speaker 1: clerk and he was like he was trying to shoot me,
Speaker 1: and they were like, you were robbing his store, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I was hungry. I just affected from Cuba.
Speaker 1: Your government says welcome to America, goodbye and good luck,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yes, that is absolutely what they do,
Speaker 1: for sure. That's also what they do with babies, like
Speaker 1: we do a lot of bullshit, and uh so that's us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's It's been embarrassing for sure, being from America
Speaker 2: across the pond.
Speaker 1: Really, it's like.
Speaker 2: Everyone's like ew or like I met a cab driver
Speaker 2: and he go I was like, where are you from?
Speaker 2: He goes, well, Serbia and then your country bombed us
Speaker 2: and I went, sorry.
Speaker 1: About that fair enough.
Speaker 2: And then one of the other people I met was like,
Speaker 2: you know, America's crazy. I go, yes, I'm not, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know it.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember back in when I want to
Speaker 1: on my semester abroad and stuff, I would like meet.
Speaker 1: I would hear people with what I thought were English
Speaker 1: American accents, and I would go, oh, are you guys
Speaker 1: from the States, And they'd be like, we're from Canada.
Speaker 1: Like they would get like offended, and I'd be like
Speaker 1: that was the first time, when I was twenty years old,
Speaker 1: when I went abroad to Italy, that I realized people
Speaker 1: didn't like America. I was like, I just like, you know,
Speaker 1: what did I know? Like up until that point, like
Speaker 1: I hadn't really left the country much. But America's Regina George.
Speaker 1: They're like obsessed with us.
Speaker 2: They know all our leadership, they know all our news,
Speaker 2: they talk about us, they watch our movies, they love
Speaker 2: our music, but then they hate our guts because we're lunatics.
Speaker 1: We're bullying. Yeah, it's like who has been physically who
Speaker 1: has been physically harmed by Regina George and the entire
Speaker 1: world is raising their hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they can't get enough. They're just like ooh,
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, you know, and then we're like okay.
Speaker 3: And then now we're bombing you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you are starting to like feel for Denny
Speaker 1: because you're like, yeah, that sucks. You have a record
Speaker 1: because you like tried to steal a bag of chips
Speaker 1: because you were starving. You know, like, and they're like,
Speaker 1: but if you're such a victim, why does everyone else
Speaker 1: get hurt? And Munch accuses him of breaking Emily's leg
Speaker 1: and he's like, I would never hurt my daughter, and
Speaker 1: they're like right, like Randall the store clerk, Jamie, why
Speaker 1: don't you just tell us the truth? And Daddy Kragan
Speaker 1: like busts into grab them and he's like, bad news.
Speaker 1: Lab results clear, Denny. The blood doesn't match the hair
Speaker 1: from the rape kit, and I guess that's that. So
Speaker 1: Denny's in the clear. So at a meeting, Craigan is
Speaker 1: standing next to doctor Emil Skoda Akajk Simmons baby, and
Speaker 1: he is mostly an original recipe guy, but he has
Speaker 1: been in six episodes of Best for You, and he
Speaker 1: was kind of the He was the Huang before Huang,
Speaker 1: the pre Huang Hwang, And so Cragan says they have
Speaker 1: to reassess the profile now that Denny has been eliminated,
Speaker 1: and doctor Scota explains that whoever did this must have
Speaker 1: a finely tuned social radar to be able to navigate
Speaker 1: the two families and social groups in Emily's life, like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's the dad's side and the mom's side,
Speaker 1: so this is about displaced rage. He says sexual inadequacies
Speaker 1: or abuse the in the perpetrator's own childhood and his
Speaker 1: insecurities drive his abusive behavior, but they could also drive
Speaker 1: him to excel in other areas, so he could be
Speaker 1: the head of a fortune five hundred company. So that
Speaker 1: obviously is like alarm bells. Randall the rich daddy, the stepdaddy,
Speaker 1: and as we've discussed in former episodes, always beware of
Speaker 1: a stepdaddy. And then it turns out his plane didn't
Speaker 1: leave for DC until Monday morning, so it's possible he
Speaker 1: was home the night that she was, you know, hurt.
Speaker 1: And so now they're looking back at Harry Aboden as well.
Speaker 1: And I looked up Brunei because this guy is the
Speaker 1: Minister for Protocol for the mission to Brunei. I don't
Speaker 1: know what any of that means. And Brunei is this
Speaker 1: like tiny nation of four hundred thousand people that's on
Speaker 1: the island of Borneo in Southeast Asia. So Borneo is
Speaker 1: part of Malaysia, I believe, and then Brunei is like
Speaker 1: its own little tiny country in it on this island.
Speaker 1: So I just thought that was interesting. It's very small.
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler finally go visit the rich stepdaddy Randall McKenna,
Speaker 1: and in a classic lawn order fashion, he does not
Speaker 1: have times for the cops. He has to be a
Speaker 1: thirty Rock in forty minutes. Okay, they've been married for
Speaker 1: three years and Lois was a client and introduced so
Speaker 1: Jamie's mom. Lois was his client and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you should meet my daughter with a daughter. And they
Speaker 1: do have a four year old son, so clearly the
Speaker 1: pregnancy fast tracked the marriage if they've only been married
Speaker 1: for three years, like stablish like we did the math.
Speaker 1: And also, I want to shame you because I'm weirdly
Speaker 1: Catholic about this kind of stuff. And they bring up
Speaker 1: Denny's accusations and he denies it all like he's like,
Speaker 1: I have not touched her, and they're like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: give us DNA and he's like, you've already insulted me.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to let you invade my privacy too.
Speaker 1: So he lawyers up and leaves for his meeting at
Speaker 1: thirty Rock, and then Munch and Finn are at the
Speaker 1: Brunei Place. I don't know what this is like it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're like an ambassador or diplomat.
Speaker 1: I don't really get what it is. And Munch is
Speaker 1: back with the Zingers. He like points to one of
Speaker 1: the statues and he goes, I've got one of those
Speaker 1: hanging from a rope in my shower, but it does
Speaker 1: a spring fresh scent. Okay much? And then Abidin shows
Speaker 1: up and Finn introduces himself, and this man tells us
Speaker 1: that Tutuola means the gentle one in Yorubin, and I
Speaker 1: love that for Finn, and Finn is also very very
Speaker 1: impressed that this man like knows your Ruben and knows
Speaker 1: what his last name means. So John munches, so Munch goes,
Speaker 1: I'm John Munch. It's Romanian for the handsome one, zing Like,
Speaker 1: we're just it's non stop with him today, and he
Speaker 1: talks about how he took Emily to a matinee of
Speaker 1: the Lion King. So I was confused because the dad
Speaker 1: said she watched the Lion King in the afternoon, but
Speaker 1: I guess she was at a matinee with her random benefactor.
Speaker 1: And then he brought her home to her father's house
Speaker 1: and lois her grandmother was with them at the theater
Speaker 1: and his driver drove them, so he's got witnesses like
Speaker 1: he really didn't have opportunity to like molest or hurt
Speaker 1: this girl. And then they're like, oh, does Danny know
Speaker 1: that grandma comes on these field trips, And they're like,
Speaker 1: we thought it would be better to like keep that
Speaker 1: from him since he's like not in a great relationship
Speaker 1: with the family. So even though this grandma was like
Speaker 1: aboard aboard, now she's like, you know, at the Lion
Speaker 1: King Matinee is with her granddaughter, so I guess she
Speaker 1: does have like some kind of blood pumping in that
Speaker 1: black heart of hers and so not that it's bad
Speaker 1: to ask your daughter to get an abortion, and she
Speaker 1: just seems like mean anyway. Uh So we go to
Speaker 1: visit douchebag Justin at school and he is like such
Speaker 1: a future fucking date rapist. I can't even handle it.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, I don't know anything, I was asleep,
Speaker 1: and Justin's like, yeah, they argue all the time. That's
Speaker 1: why my Dunn ever comes home anymore, Like he's he's
Speaker 1: got some anger, but he also seems like just an asshole.
Speaker 1: So now at the precinct. Abiden has agreed to a
Speaker 1: DNA test, so that kind of makes him look pretty good.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, take it, take my spit, let's do it.
Speaker 1: And Randall is fighting it and that makes him look guilty.
Speaker 1: So Cabot is meeting with Petrofsky in the morning about
Speaker 1: the court order for Stepdaddy's DNA and Emily is still
Speaker 1: in a coma, and Stabler makes a comment that Emily's
Speaker 1: probably safer in the hospital than she is at home,
Speaker 1: and then the camera like stays on Munch for an
Speaker 1: extra beat, so like you we're kind of seeing like
Speaker 1: he's pondering, like we're we're seeing how this case is
Speaker 1: like affecting him. So at the hospital, Munch is visiting
Speaker 1: Emily and it's very sad. She's hooked up to machines
Speaker 1: that she's got the all the way around bandages, and
Speaker 1: Munch that we when it's on a grown man who
Speaker 1: just got his dick cut off, it's funny, but when
Speaker 1: it's on a little kid, it's a little bit more sad.
Speaker 1: And then Munch brings her a stuffed lion and puts
Speaker 1: it next to her bed, which is like cute. That's
Speaker 1: like a symbol of courage and stuff, and it's very cute.
Speaker 2: I do love when you know that there's going to
Speaker 2: be a personal connection with the detective. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, We're going to get a tail at the
Speaker 2: end of this. Why much caretting up this kid the
Speaker 2: most exactly?
Speaker 1: They're setting this up like like this time it's personal
Speaker 1: for Munch. So now we're in Petrovski's chambers with Cabot
Speaker 1: and Randall McKenna's lawyer, and the lawyer's arguing they have
Speaker 1: not proved that there was exclusive opportunity and it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: he lives with the victim, there is exclusive opportunity all
Speaker 1: night as they sleep in the same apartment together, and
Speaker 1: Cabot fucking kills it, and Petrovsky's like, yeah, bring that
Speaker 1: Wall Street sack of shit in here for the swab,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going with Cabot on the.
Speaker 2: See sv tattoo is going to be a heart with
Speaker 2: Petrovsky in the banner.
Speaker 1: I would love for you to not have to explain
Speaker 1: that to people, just like she's this dope ass judge.
Speaker 1: Her name's Joanna Merlin. We love her. You think that
Speaker 1: would be so funny?
Speaker 2: I obviously love our detectives, but I feel weird having
Speaker 2: like a like you know, we're a cab at heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of done. It's like and it's basic,
Speaker 1: Like I think to take a staple character who is
Speaker 1: amazing but not a cast member, that's a move.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the first time.
Speaker 2: Every time you say Petrovsky, we do get joy like,
Speaker 2: we do get excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's such a great actor. I think she teaches too.
Speaker 1: Oh can you imagine. So now they're all chatting about
Speaker 1: the case and Stabler gets a call that Randall McKenna
Speaker 1: is in critical condition at Mercy General. Twist what has happened?
Speaker 1: And he has a slilly cerebral hemorrhage from blunt force trauma. Basically,
Speaker 1: he got his ass beat. So Munch is at Denny's
Speaker 1: apartment building being let upstairs by this very loud woman.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, speak out of school,
Speaker 1: But does she seem like she's Russian or Russian adjacent?
Speaker 1: The woman she's like, oh, yes, he loves a daughter,
Speaker 1: like she's just like seems like an old Russian lady
Speaker 1: who would like that's the landlord. And at one point
Speaker 1: she doesn't hear what Munch says, and he asks her
Speaker 1: a question more loudly, and she goes, you'll don't have
Speaker 1: to shout, And they're just like pouring the comedy into
Speaker 1: this episode because otherwise it's a dark ass episode. So anyway,
Speaker 1: Finn and Munch go through Emily's room at Denny's house.
Speaker 1: She has a really sweet little room in his house,
Speaker 1: and he picks up a copy of Oh the Places
Speaker 1: You'll Go, And then they get a call from Benson
Speaker 1: that Denny got caught trying to sneak in the hospital
Speaker 1: to see Emily, and so Finn goes, hope he said
Speaker 1: his goodbyes, and we panned to Finn. He's like holding
Speaker 1: this T shirt that is covered in blood, and it's like, dog,
Speaker 1: that's a fucking Haynes T shirt. Like throw it out
Speaker 1: the window. You're most likely to get caught. Like why
Speaker 1: are you keeping a blood soap shirt in your apartment? Anyway,
Speaker 1: crime one oh one? You know. So Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: are now interrogating Denny and he's like, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to hurt him. Friday is the deadline. I could not
Speaker 1: hand my daughter over to a man who's molesting her.
Speaker 1: Jamie told him that he broke the deal and that
Speaker 1: Randal was going to press the charges anyway. So he
Speaker 1: went to go and try to talk to Randall man
Speaker 1: to man, and he got stopped in the lobby by security.
Speaker 1: So he waited for Randall by his car, and then
Speaker 1: when he finally came out at almost midnight, he said,
Speaker 1: when he first saw Denny, he started screaming at him
Speaker 1: and said, I'm gonna charge you with harassment, and then
Speaker 1: he begged Randall, please don't do this, and Randall laughed.
Speaker 1: And we all know how men go fucking see red
Speaker 1: when someone laughs at them, So he said he laughed
Speaker 1: at him and said, Jamie's mother knows people at the
Speaker 1: State Department, like you're deported, you're out of here. And
Speaker 1: Denny just loses it, and like, what.
Speaker 2: An evil piece of shit to laugh, Like this man
Speaker 2: just wants to be with his child, Like do you
Speaker 2: really you're gonna laugh at him?
Speaker 1: Fucking yeah, smack his ass. I would smack his ass.
Speaker 1: It's horrible. So yeah, he loses it. He's on top
Speaker 1: of Randall, he's pummeling him with punches, and then he
Speaker 1: kind of realized this guy's not moving anymore. So he
Speaker 1: called nine one one. It's like, he's not cold blooded.
Speaker 1: I think he really did like sea red and just
Speaker 1: go nuts. And then he called and he also thinks
Speaker 1: he's punching a man who's been like systematically abusing his
Speaker 1: daughter for years, So he calls nine one one.
Speaker 3: He goes home.
Speaker 1: He keeps his bloody Hanes T shirt, but he changed
Speaker 1: close and then he just said he wanted to see
Speaker 1: Emily one more time before he turned himself in. And
Speaker 1: I don't know I believe him. And Benson said, you
Speaker 1: did a real number on him, and Denny replies, no,
Speaker 1: worse than what he did to my baby. So kind
Speaker 1: of got you there, Benson. And then Cragan is telling
Speaker 1: the gang that Denny should have let the system work
Speaker 1: for him. It's like lol, like come on, and Munch
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, he doesn't really have a great track
Speaker 1: record with the system. I can understand why he sort
Speaker 1: of went vigilante. And then Benson tells them that the
Speaker 1: hair sample in the rape kit came from a hair brush,
Speaker 1: So there's I guess there was a hair and there
Speaker 1: was a bristle, and the bristles from a hair brush,
Speaker 1: and so the hair sample was also in the hair
Speaker 1: brush and it comes from a member of Randall's blood line.
Speaker 1: It's not from Randall, but it's from someone in his
Speaker 1: blood line, so uh oh, that points to douchebag Justin.
Speaker 1: So at the McKenna home, Jamie is whining how she's
Speaker 1: a victim and her whole family has suffered enough, and
Speaker 1: Munch is in Emily's room. Now now we're in Emily's
Speaker 1: other room at her mom's house, and he opens up
Speaker 1: this little jewelry box that's like playing music, and he
Speaker 1: finds this old hospital bracelet in there. And then as
Speaker 1: he's leaving, this is like a haunting moment, he sees
Speaker 1: the four year old little Michael, who's nonverbal, in the hallway,
Speaker 1: and the kid's just looking at him with this like
Speaker 1: really like sad look like the kid just looks really sad,
Speaker 1: and you never know why that could be, but you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh, something is fucked up here, and this
Speaker 1: kid can't even talk about it because he doesn't talk.
Speaker 1: And so Stabler is now searching Justin's room and he
Speaker 1: finds a hairbrush, just as Justin walks in and goes,
Speaker 1: what the help, bro, that's mine, and Stabler's face is
Speaker 1: like if you fucking think it's beneath me to bitch
Speaker 1: lap a fifteen year old, you are so wrong. Like,
Speaker 1: I just love how Stabler looks like he really wants
Speaker 1: to kill this kid the whole time. And so now
Speaker 1: they've got Justin in interrogation and he lays it all
Speaker 1: out and this is actually a very funny line from
Speaker 1: this juchhey kid. He goes, none of this would be
Speaker 1: happening if that bitch hadn't sucked my dad into her
Speaker 1: crappy life. I just thought that was like a really
Speaker 1: funny like, yeah, yeah, this woman sucked my dad to
Speaker 1: her crappy life. But you know, he just doesn't like
Speaker 1: a step mom, it seems. And he says, all Emily
Speaker 1: does is cry and it's annoying, and everything was fine
Speaker 1: until she showed up, and now it all sucks and
Speaker 1: I just want them to go away. He just wants
Speaker 1: to go back to, like we don't know where his
Speaker 1: mom is, but he just wants to go back to
Speaker 1: like being with his dad. And so Jamie is telling
Speaker 1: Benson how she has come home before and found Emily
Speaker 1: crying with Justin just standing over her, and she knew
Speaker 1: he was like a resentful little fuck, but she never
Speaker 1: thought he was like full on abusing her. So this
Speaker 1: is all news to Jamie. She's very doe. I like,
Speaker 1: I could not have imagined this. And then when asked
Speaker 1: about the arguing between her and her husband, she said,
Speaker 1: if we argued about anything, it was just about Justin's
Speaker 1: attitude towards Emily. So she's all the stuff that was
Speaker 1: never brought up before. She's now fully fueling the cops
Speaker 1: theory that Justin had something to do with this. So
Speaker 1: Jamie tells Olivia that after she put Emily to bed
Speaker 1: that night, she took Michael to the drug store to
Speaker 1: refill his asthma medication and the line was so long
Speaker 1: and it took them an hour to get home. Her
Speaker 1: husband was at the office, and so that would be
Speaker 1: a pretty long window where Emily was with Justin alone,
Speaker 1: and Jamie's like, I looked in on her before I
Speaker 1: went to bed. She looked so peaceful. It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: she was already in a coma, like, so she did
Speaker 1: look peaceful. And now she's blaming herself, like, how could
Speaker 1: I have been so blind? Like YadA YadA. She's you know,
Speaker 1: definitely dramatic, this woman, and so behind the one way glass.
Speaker 1: Stabler is letting Craigan and Munch know that they got
Speaker 1: a hit on the hair and it is Justin's DNA
Speaker 1: and maybe that's why Dad resisted giving up his sample
Speaker 1: to protect his son. And so they decide to throw
Speaker 1: Justin in a cell for a little while and see
Speaker 1: if they can like scared straight him into a confession.
Speaker 1: And so they lead him through the precinct right past
Speaker 1: his stepmom and she's like literally going for the SVU
Speaker 1: Teacher's pat Award. She's like, anything else I can do.
Speaker 1: I could write out my statement, like she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to leave, it seems, and Olivia's like, we're all good,
Speaker 1: Like you know, we've got you on tape where we
Speaker 1: don't need you to write it out, Like you can
Speaker 1: get out of here with your small son. So she
Speaker 1: leaves with Michael and Munch is like wow, she almost
Speaker 1: seems like disappointed. And Olivia is in like a just
Speaker 1: a fashion moment. Olivia is in like a wine colored
Speaker 1: I could say purple, but it is a little bit darker,
Speaker 1: high necked sleepless number that like really shows off her arms.
Speaker 1: It's like very two thousand, I feel like, and she's
Speaker 1: defending Jamie. She's like, listen, her husband may never walk,
Speaker 1: her daughter's in a coma, her steps on's facing jail time,
Speaker 1: and her ex is being deported. She's not disappointed, She's numb.
Speaker 1: And Finn's like, okay, Munch, like, what's your theory? You
Speaker 1: seem like you want to say something, so what like
Speaker 1: give it up? And Munch is like okay, Well, first off,
Speaker 1: where are the hospital records that show all of this
Speaker 1: ongoing abuse? And then he shows them the hospital bracelet
Speaker 1: he found in the jewelry box and it has the
Speaker 1: name Erica Smith on it, so what's going on? So
Speaker 1: they go to that clinic that matches the hospital bracelet,
Speaker 1: the Hudson Free Clinic, and a nurse finds the record
Speaker 1: that Erica Smith came in for vaginal bleeding and was
Speaker 1: prescribed in antibacterial ointment and sent home. I'm like what.
Speaker 1: They're like, didn't you suspect abuse? She's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: filed a report, but like no one filed followed up,
Speaker 1: you know, probably because it's a fake name. And then
Speaker 1: they're like, well do they leave an address? And the
Speaker 1: nurses like yeah, the address is right there, and Finn's
Speaker 1: like okay, well, this is in the middle of the
Speaker 1: East River, and I'm like, so are many of the
Speaker 1: SVU locations, Like some of the locations are like one
Speaker 1: thousand East forty fourth Street. You're like, that is in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Finn goes, you thinking what I'm thinking, and
Speaker 1: Munch goes, we've been had, which I like their old
Speaker 1: school like detective shtick that they have going on there,
Speaker 1: and so they bust out of there. Finn and Munch
Speaker 1: are back at the precinct revealing what they found out,
Speaker 1: which is that Erica Smith is Emily. They found matches
Speaker 1: at four different clinics and hospitals, different aliases, always paid
Speaker 1: in cash, et cetera. So Munch breaks it down and
Speaker 1: is like, we've been focusing on a mail attacker because
Speaker 1: of the quote unquote like sexual abuse. But what if
Speaker 1: it was Jamie and the injuries aren't even sexual like?
Speaker 1: And so Craigan goes, well, that's one way to ensure custody,
Speaker 1: like is to abuse the kid and then pin it
Speaker 1: on your ex. And Olivia's like, and if the daughter
Speaker 1: dies in the process, And then in slides E Meal
Speaker 1: Scota JK. Simmons wearing an aggressive Navy turtleneck and blazer,
Speaker 1: and he's like, that would be a bonus, Like if
Speaker 1: this woman doesn't give a shit about her kids, and
Speaker 1: her daughter is a means to an end, and that
Speaker 1: end is attention. And he explains that people who have
Speaker 1: suffered abuse in childhood tend to repeat this pattern and
Speaker 1: that in this case it's kind of an extreme one
Speaker 1: because the rage is so apparent, but in the end,
Speaker 1: she's just wrapping herself in the warm cloak of victimhood,
Speaker 1: he says. And Stabler's like, well, then why hide it
Speaker 1: with all these aliases in shady hospital visits, Like you know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of why these people will do, like the
Speaker 1: long term poisoning with the leukemia and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: to get all the attention out in the open. And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, it was to control the outcome. Like
Speaker 1: now she can kind of help pin it on whoever
Speaker 1: she needs to so that she doesn't get in trouble
Speaker 1: for anything. And so now we're back talking to punk
Speaker 1: ass Justin and he's like whatever, like he will not
Speaker 1: talk or help and Stabler's like, you little shit, we
Speaker 1: are actually trying to help you. So if you could
Speaker 1: like just fucking stop being a dick for a second,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you won't end up throwing touchdowns in the
Speaker 1: prison tag football league. So he's like, look, I have
Speaker 1: no idea how long Jamie was gone. The minute she left,
Speaker 1: I went for a run in the park because I
Speaker 1: was bored as hell, and I'm sure people saw me,
Speaker 1: but I didn't take names. Like this kid is like
Speaker 1: fucking the worst. And he said he was gone an hour.
Speaker 1: He describes his root where he ran, and then like
Speaker 1: when he got home, his stepmother chewed him out for
Speaker 1: leaving his sister alone, and he's like, who cares she
Speaker 1: was asleep, and it's like, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you don't leave a seven year
Speaker 1: old at home in a New York apartment. But Munch
Speaker 1: is like, okay, so Jamie could have hurt Emily before
Speaker 1: Justin got home. But Daddy Craigan is like, this is
Speaker 1: just more finger pointing, like we need proof, baby, And
Speaker 1: so Finn's like, what about the druggist? And I had
Speaker 1: not really heard that before, but that is a sexier
Speaker 1: name for a pharmacist. And so they go check in
Speaker 1: with this nosy door man, and we do love a
Speaker 1: nosy doorman around here. So he is a wonderful SVU
Speaker 1: staple character. And this guy is like a full svew
Speaker 1: TikTok parody. He never stops unloading bags, like while he's
Speaker 1: talking to the cops, Like we barely see a shot
Speaker 1: of this actor's face because he's just constantly like removing
Speaker 1: bags from a car while delivering a full monologue about
Speaker 1: this family. And he's like, yeah, Jamie left with little Michael.
Speaker 1: Then Justin left one on a run. I told him
Speaker 1: don't go to the park, but he doesn't remember Jamie
Speaker 1: coming back, but it could have been while he was
Speaker 1: taking a powder. And I just I can't with a
Speaker 1: man talking about taking a powder. But here we are.
Speaker 1: Munch shows up with interesting info from the pharmacist. He
Speaker 1: said that the receipt actually shows that she came after closing.
Speaker 1: She called up and bitched and moaned about like coming
Speaker 1: in to get this refill. So he stayed open for
Speaker 1: her and she was in and out in five minutes,
Speaker 1: so there was none of this hour long wait bullshit
Speaker 1: that she told them. So back at the precinct, everyone's
Speaker 1: in a big meeting and Cabot is like, guys, this
Speaker 1: is not enough like, even if we could prove she
Speaker 1: took Emily to all those hospital visits, you can't bootstrap
Speaker 1: aggravated a child abuse to her conduct without a more
Speaker 1: definitive causal link. Munch is like, well, Scota said, this
Speaker 1: is about a need for attention, and I gave her
Speaker 1: my pager number, and guess who's been paging me. And
Speaker 1: it looks like she's jones in for a sympathy fix.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, what are you thinking, and Munch
Speaker 1: is like, feed the junkie. So now Munch brings in Jamie.
Speaker 1: He's got her an interrogation. Everyone's watching on the other
Speaker 1: side of the glass. It's like the entertainment for the evening.
Speaker 1: And he's like, we're going to get Justin out here
Speaker 1: and get him home to you. I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: cool with you, if you're going to take him back,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I don't know. He scares me. He
Speaker 1: might hurt Emily again just to get back at me.
Speaker 1: And he says it must be tough to be an
Speaker 1: outcast in your own home, and Jamie's like, you don't
Speaker 1: know the half of it, and he goes, actually I do,
Speaker 1: and he plops a folder down in front of her,
Speaker 1: and it's her file from when she was a kid,
Speaker 1: and boy, she is delighted to see it, Like she
Speaker 1: acts like somebody wrote a biography about her and she's
Speaker 1: just getting a chance to look at it for the
Speaker 1: first time. And she has very two thousand's eyebrows. This
Speaker 1: woman too, like they are thin and barely their eyebrows.
Speaker 1: And so he says to her, Yeah, she goes, I
Speaker 1: thought it was sealed. I thought my record was sealed,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I got it from a friend in
Speaker 1: children's services who remembered you and said that all her
Speaker 1: superiors were nervous about investigating an ambassador for sexually abusing
Speaker 1: his eleven year old daughter. So twist like we're finding
Speaker 1: out that Jamie has not had a wonderful childhood. Munch
Speaker 1: is like really handling her, like he's really like that
Speaker 1: must have been so hard for you. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: and how did your mother take it on? And she
Speaker 1: was like, well, she was just jealous because daddy couldn't
Speaker 1: stand to touch her. And it's like, yes, because he
Speaker 1: was a pedophile and your mother was far too old
Speaker 1: for him. So that's what happened, Yeah, and that's why
Speaker 1: she got sent to boarding school. She said she begged
Speaker 1: not to go. But what mother wants mother gets, and
Speaker 1: that to me like echoes a little bit what Denny
Speaker 1: said about Jamie at the beginning, Like what Jamie wants,
Speaker 1: Jamie gets, no matter who it hurts. He said something
Speaker 1: to that effect. So it's just interesting how this generational
Speaker 1: trauma happens. And so then Munch tells Jamie that he's like, well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Emily came out of her coma and
Speaker 1: she told us everything, and so you could see her
Speaker 1: face be like, oh fuck. So then Munch is like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk hairbrush, and she's like it's Justin's and he's like,
Speaker 1: but with Emily's testimony, and she's like, Emily is a liar.
Speaker 1: Like suddenly we're, you know, defaming our seven year old
Speaker 1: coma daughter. And she starts telling much how Denny has
Speaker 1: poisoned Emily against her, and Munch is like, it's okay,
Speaker 1: just tell me your side, and Jamie's like, okay. We
Speaker 1: were driving home and Emily wouldn't stop crying, so she
Speaker 1: pulled over to talk to her, and that's when Emily
Speaker 1: told her about the Cuba trip. And so she pulled
Speaker 1: her out of the car and Emily hit her head
Speaker 1: on the curb and Munch is like, come on, girl,
Speaker 1: and then she admits, Okay, I shoved her, but not hard.
Speaker 1: I just wanted her to stop whining. So he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well did it work, and she goes it was the
Speaker 1: first time she was quiet all day. She was really sleepy,
Speaker 1: so I put her to bed when we got home,
Speaker 1: but then when I came back from the drug store,
Speaker 1: she was crying again. I told her she had to
Speaker 1: be a good girl so her new daddy would love
Speaker 1: her too, but she wouldn't stop, and she was doing
Speaker 1: it to spite me, which is like, I mean, trust me.
Speaker 1: I have dealt with four meltdowns from my three year
Speaker 1: old in the past forty eight hours that were epic,
Speaker 1: going on forty five minutes, like unconsolable meltdowns like it's
Speaker 1: not about you, Like it's just not about you. It's
Speaker 1: never about you. They're not doing anything to spite you.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kids having aren't there yet, and if they are,
Speaker 2: then there should be a movie about them being the devil.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think a three year old has those
Speaker 2: parts of their brain right out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, no, for sure. So then she said, I
Speaker 1: use the hairbrush to discipline her, and my mom used
Speaker 1: a hairbrush on me. But Emily just kept screaming. And
Speaker 1: it's like this because you're spanking her with a fucking
Speaker 1: hair brush. And perhaps it's also because she had a
Speaker 1: massive like blood clot forming under her skull and that
Speaker 1: was a little bit painful. So she said, Emily was
Speaker 1: screaming louder and louder. What was she supposed to do?
Speaker 1: And then Munch said the only thing you could do,
Speaker 1: and then her face changes, like her face like drops
Speaker 1: into like evil face, and she's like and it's like, okay, Munch,
Speaker 1: this is what you wanted and here it is, and
Speaker 1: she just goes. I threw her against the wall. So
Speaker 1: she said, Emily finally stopped crying and she tucked her
Speaker 1: into bed, kissed her on the cheek and told her
Speaker 1: she loved her. And she's like, I just wanted her
Speaker 1: to stop crying. Is that too much to ask? And
Speaker 1: Munch is like, okay, I'm done charming this lady. And
Speaker 1: he's like fully disgusted. He's got his confession, and he
Speaker 1: walks out of the interrogation room and Craigan's like, good work, John,
Speaker 1: and Munch just keeps walking like this one you can
Speaker 1: tell like really hit him hard.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but also it's like what are they going
Speaker 2: to do? High five and be like good game.
Speaker 1: Good game, Yeah, like we did it. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: he did kind of that was all Munch like he
Speaker 1: got it out of her because I think he knew
Speaker 1: how to deal with her. And so Benson finds Munch
Speaker 1: on the roof and we find out that, as I suspected,
Speaker 1: at least I'm sure most people suspected, Munch bluffed about Emily,
Speaker 1: she's not out of her coma. And Munch is like,
Speaker 1: like Elivia is like, I don't know what we would
Speaker 1: have done if she had asked to see her, and
Speaker 1: Munch was like, yeah, she doesn't give a shit about
Speaker 1: her kids. Like I knew she wasn't going to ask
Speaker 1: because she doesn't care. And Benson like, how did you know?
Speaker 1: Like how did you piece this all together? And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: when we searched the house and that four year o
Speaker 1: little boy, like that moment I talked about, She's like
Speaker 1: when he was just looking at me, it reminded me
Speaker 1: of this little girl who I lived across the street
Speaker 1: from on the Lower east Side when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: she had that same look in her eyes, sad and lost.
Speaker 1: And she used to stand on her porch every afternoon.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a porch on the Lower east Side,
Speaker 1: but that's neither. And then maybe a stupid a soup, yeah, stoop,
Speaker 1: and so like when he came home from school, she
Speaker 1: would be standing there every day, like with a black eye,
Speaker 1: a bloody lip, and she never said anything. She just
Speaker 1: looked at Munch and he was like a teen and
Speaker 1: was like two, wrapped up in his own bullshit, he says,
Speaker 1: and he didn't pay attention. And then one day she
Speaker 1: wasn't there, and I found out that her mother threw
Speaker 1: her through a plate glass window. And he said, I
Speaker 1: went to the funeral and I saw her dad, and
Speaker 1: that was the first time I saw a grown man cry.
Speaker 1: And they sent the mother to a sanitarium, and the
Speaker 1: mother told Munch's mother she didn't get what all the
Speaker 1: fuss was about. She was the one who had to
Speaker 1: get a new window. So definitely a psychopath mom. And
Speaker 1: months later he'd come home and like look up at
Speaker 1: the porch and he would swear he could see the
Speaker 1: little girl standing there with that same look, and he's
Speaker 1: like really sniffling, like Munch is like getting very emotional,
Speaker 1: and it's like kind of a different look on him.
Speaker 1: And oh, I said, final scene, But this isn't the
Speaker 1: final scene. The final scene is actually the next one
Speaker 1: where Munch goes to Emily's hospital room and she's still
Speaker 1: sitting there so tiny, with her head all bandaged up
Speaker 1: and on you know, oxygen and machines, and he sits
Speaker 1: there and starts to read to her from Oh the
Speaker 1: Places You'll Go, and then right in the middle of
Speaker 1: the doctor Seuss, we fade to black and that's Dick
Speaker 1: wolf O, a tough one. Yeah, you hope that she'll
Speaker 1: come out. You'll hope that like her brain swelling will
Speaker 1: go down and she'll come out of it. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: is good at that? Yeah, Yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3: We're hoping for the best.
Speaker 1: Family.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, and we'll be back with some
Speaker 2: horrific real life true crime. Okay, So this case is
Speaker 2: about a girl named Elisa Scaredo. This happened in New
Speaker 2: York in the nineties and it's very horrific. So it
Speaker 2: was like a day before Thanksgiving nine twenty four am,
Speaker 2: and there was a call from a man saying that
Speaker 2: a little six year old girl had stopped breathing. And
Speaker 2: then when the police, firefighters, and paramedics arrived at the
Speaker 2: Rutgers housing projects in Lower Manhattan, they found Alisa in
Speaker 2: her bed with deep red blotches all over her body
Speaker 2: and it wasn't very clear what they were, well, cigarette burns,
Speaker 2: like everyone's like, what is it?
Speaker 1: But her entire body was covered.
Speaker 2: On the right side of her body near the kidney
Speaker 2: was an enormous bruise, and she had other bruises on
Speaker 2: her face and around her temples, and obviously things just
Speaker 2: keep getting worse. There were wounds around her genitals and
Speaker 2: the bone of her right hand pinky was poking fully
Speaker 2: through her skin. My god, a police lieutenant with twenty
Speaker 2: two years of work experience at the time said it
Speaker 2: was the worst case of child abuse he had ever seen,
Speaker 2: and he said that to Newsweek.
Speaker 3: So going back in.
Speaker 2: Time, Alisa's parents met in a shelter for the homeless
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven. Gus Iscardo was a Cuban immigrant.
Speaker 2: This is actually like very close to the episode. In
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. So he was a Cuban immigrant
Speaker 2: and he cleaned and served food at the homeless shelter
Speaker 2: and a Wheelda Lopez was a Puerto Rican raised in
Speaker 2: Brooklyn who landed at the shelter with her two kids
Speaker 2: after breaking up with her boyfriend. The two started hooking up,
Speaker 2: but Gus broke it off because Lopez was fully addicted
Speaker 2: to crack and he was not for that crack lifestyle.
Speaker 2: But Alisa was born and she was fully addicted to
Speaker 2: drugs when she was born, and social workers took her
Speaker 2: away and gave custody to Gus, and Gus on all accounts,
Speaker 2: was like new for him. This was a surprise in
Speaker 2: his life. But on all accounts, a doting, caring father,
Speaker 2: like did a great job, always asking for advice, like
Speaker 2: wanting to be a good dad. He got her into
Speaker 2: a Montessori day school. Hello, and he brushed her hair,
Speaker 2: and so everyone keeps talking like, oh, he brushed her hair,
Speaker 2: and I guess for a father, that's like huge, huge
Speaker 2: accomplishment brushing her child there. But people said he was good,
Speaker 2: and so this is very connected to the episode.
Speaker 3: While she was at the school at the.
Speaker 2: YWCA, the Montessori school in Brooklyn. Prince Michael of Greece
Speaker 2: wanted to like do community service work and he was
Speaker 2: looking at different organizations to get involved in. And when
Speaker 2: he went to the Montessori school, Elisa like jumped into
Speaker 2: his arms and refused to leave him and like hugged him,
Speaker 2: and so they kind of had a connection. And he
Speaker 2: was obviously like taken by this girl who like hugged
Speaker 2: him and didn't want to leave him. He knew like
Speaker 2: little about her life, but he did want to like
Speaker 2: pay for her tuition, and he just wanted to get
Speaker 2: involved beyond money as well, and he just, yeah, he
Speaker 2: wanted to help her and take care of the tuition
Speaker 2: and stuff. And there was no like weirdness or hanky panky.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So Prince Michael of Greece had a connection with her
Speaker 2: in the school and so like while she was at school,
Speaker 2: Gus was trying to raise her and he tried to
Speaker 2: keep Lopez away, but she entered a drug rehab clinic
Speaker 2: and got married at the end of November in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one, and in that time she won the right
Speaker 2: to have Alisa every other weekend. But Gus and then
Speaker 2: Alisa's teachers said that she would come back from those
Speaker 2: visits covered in bruises and very upset. She would throw up,
Speaker 2: she would refuse to walk into a bathroom, and it
Speaker 2: was like obvious what was going on.
Speaker 1: It was only the weekends that she was with her mother.
Speaker 2: So Alisa even told a city social worker about these attacks,
Speaker 2: but the visits were still allowed to happen on the
Speaker 2: word of her mother saying that she did not hit
Speaker 2: her daughter. So then poor Gus checked into a hospital
Speaker 2: in May nineteen ninety four and he was diagnosed with
Speaker 2: cancer and soon after died. Yeah, this is like a
Speaker 2: fucking Cinderella nightmare. Hans Christiananzersen like story. Yeah, And so
Speaker 2: they sent Alisa to her mother, which is very, very
Speaker 2: fucked up. She at this point had five children, with
Speaker 2: no job and no partner because her husband went to
Speaker 2: prison for stabbing her seventeen times with a pocket knife.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And everyone tried to counter this decision, like Gus's cousin,
Speaker 2: Elsa Connie Zadis, went to court seeking custody. The head
Speaker 2: of Elisa's school wrote to the family court judge Phoebe
Speaker 2: Greenbaum in support of the cousin to get custody and
Speaker 2: to attest to all the abuse. But the court and
Speaker 2: this dumb bitch just gave custody to the birth mother.
Speaker 2: And even Prince Michael got involved and was like, if
Speaker 2: you give her to the cousin, like, I will financially support.
Speaker 2: Like everyone was begging to take this daughter away from
Speaker 2: the mother and this fucking judge didn't. The judge in
Speaker 2: the case said that the child welfare people advised her
Speaker 2: to give custody to the mother, but Child Welfare CWA
Speaker 2: remained silent on the matter and cited confidentiality laws and
Speaker 2: refused to confirm or deny. But the judge said the
Speaker 2: child welfare advised her to give custody to the mother.
Speaker 1: So pretty horrific.
Speaker 2: Now, a little background, So, like, these confidentiality laws are
Speaker 2: very controversial and complicated. They are there to help protect
Speaker 2: people who report child abuse. They're also there to protect
Speaker 2: those accused unfairly and privacy of the victims. But mostly
Speaker 2: these laws seem to be to protect the government agencies
Speaker 2: over everything. The New York Times had a quote that said,
Speaker 2: too often the confidentiality shield is used by the bureaucracy
Speaker 2: to sort of cover itself, and that was said by
Speaker 2: the former City hr commissioner from the nineteen eighties, William J.
Speaker 1: Grinker.
Speaker 2: He believes that once a child dies, the need for
Speaker 2: confidentiality is no longer paramount, and if you know what
Speaker 2: went wrong, then you can prevent other deaths. But we'll
Speaker 2: get more into the laws and what happened after Elisa's death.
Speaker 2: But Alisa's decline began immediately after she went into her
Speaker 2: mother's custody. The mom pulled her out of Montessori school
Speaker 2: and enrolled her at the local public school PS one
Speaker 2: twenty six. That school called state and city child welfare
Speaker 2: offices after being concerned with her because she was like
Speaker 2: walking unevenly and she refused to play with people or
Speaker 2: to talk to other students, and then a bunch of
Speaker 2: bruises were showing up.
Speaker 3: So this school also.
Speaker 2: Called child welfare and the city and state level to
Speaker 2: communicate their concern. This was the fifth time someone reported
Speaker 2: that Alisa had been abused. The state refused to investigate
Speaker 2: because there wasn't enough evidence. So then Lopez actually withdrew
Speaker 2: Alisa fully from school and she virtually disappeared. She never
Speaker 2: enrolled her in another school, rarely let her out of
Speaker 2: her room. She wasn't allowed to watch TV or eat
Speaker 2: with her half siblings, who all showed no signs of abuse.
Speaker 1: So very very close to Nix, Maury Brown like.
Speaker 2: I don't know what, Like I really want to do
Speaker 2: an in depth sort of psychological reading something if anyone
Speaker 2: can reach out to us and tell us, like what
Speaker 2: is this that someone picks like one child and the
Speaker 2: rest are fine.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was like she just hated like
Speaker 1: the how the dad like gave her such a good life,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like or you know what I mean, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're in Montessori school, Like you're out of there now,
Speaker 1: you know. Like I don't know. Maybe it was just
Speaker 1: like because she had had like a nice life with
Speaker 1: her dad and she was resented her or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh this.
Speaker 2: Is hard, but it's also happened, you know in another
Speaker 2: case we covered, So it must happen, Like there must
Speaker 2: be a real not a reason, but some sort of
Speaker 2: something psychological explanation. Yeah, like outside it so she would
Speaker 2: have to go to the bathroom in her bed and
Speaker 2: or in a pot in her room, and it overflowed
Speaker 2: so much that it leaked into the apartment below.
Speaker 1: If you can imagine that.
Speaker 2: Neighbors confessed that they had frequently heard screams coming from
Speaker 2: the apartment, and a few neighbors said they called child
Speaker 2: welfare authorities but nothing happened, So now more people are calling.
Speaker 2: So finally, on November twenty second, this bitch the mom
Speaker 2: was taken into custody and Alisa Esquerdo died on November
Speaker 2: twenty second, nineteen ninety five, of.
Speaker 1: A brain hemorrhage.
Speaker 2: The mom was like screaming in the street that she
Speaker 2: didn't do it, but basically she finally admitted that on
Speaker 2: November twentieth, she hit Alisa so hard that she flew
Speaker 2: headfirst into a concrete wall, and then after she didn't
Speaker 2: walk or talk after.
Speaker 1: That, and then the mom.
Speaker 2: Waited two full days before asking a neighbor to call
Speaker 2: for help. Police say she's shown little emotion since you know,
Speaker 2: like making these statements, she truly has shown no emotion.
Speaker 2: She thought that Alisa was possessed by the devil and
Speaker 2: that her evil caused her death, so she told friends
Speaker 2: that she would put snakes down her throat to exercise
Speaker 2: the demons, and she would hold her upside down using
Speaker 2: her as a mop like it is so fucked up,
Speaker 2: and then this is like very connected to the episode.
Speaker 2: Two of her step siblings told the grand jury that
Speaker 2: the genital abrasions were caused by a hairbrush, which Lopez
Speaker 2: used to torture her. Her five siblings were placed in
Speaker 2: foster homes. Some ended up being adopted into a family,
Speaker 2: others placed in home after home, and the oldest went
Speaker 2: to live with his biological father, who was not involved
Speaker 2: in Alisa's life or death at all. And a Wheelda
Speaker 2: was charged with second degree murder and she pled guilty
Speaker 2: on June twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six. She pled guilty
Speaker 2: to get the deal of serving fifteen years and then
Speaker 2: to become eligible for parole after that, but the following
Speaker 2: month went nevermind, bitch, you're sentenced to life. So she
Speaker 2: was sentenced to a life imprisonment. She was most recently
Speaker 2: denied parole in January twenty twenty two, and her next
Speaker 2: parole hearing is to be held in September of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two.
Speaker 1: Hopefully no one ever lets her.
Speaker 2: Be released, but if it comes to it, maybe we'll
Speaker 2: write some letters to the board closer to them.
Speaker 1: I'm also like a little bit surprised that she didn't
Speaker 1: do like in insanity defense, right, Like you thought that
Speaker 1: your daughter was possessed by the devil and you put
Speaker 1: snakes down her throat, Like that seems like you're not
Speaker 1: mentally well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've read somewhere, but like I couldn't really
Speaker 2: because I read that they wanted to really do a
Speaker 2: deal because they didn't want to put the other siblings
Speaker 2: through testimony and through a trial. But then some of
Speaker 2: the siblings were quoted at the grand jury, so I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure what it was.
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't leave it in. But like that's
Speaker 1: why the deal.
Speaker 2: Kind of happened. They wanted to seah the other kids.
Speaker 2: So also after she plaed guilty in all of that trial.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, Governor George E. Pataki he signed
Speaker 2: legislation that loosens the laws requiring secrecy in child abuse investigations,
Speaker 2: and this was a direct response from the death of
Speaker 2: Alisa is Querto. One part would require authorities to disclose
Speaker 2: information when a person is charged with child abuse and
Speaker 2: when an abused child dies. Thus seeks to make investigators
Speaker 2: more accountable for their mistakes and then the new law
Speaker 2: also called for eliminating a statute that requires the destruction
Speaker 2: of records when an allegation of abuse is investigated but
Speaker 2: not substantiated.
Speaker 3: So basically there's two.
Speaker 2: Types of categories for abuse cases. One is proven and
Speaker 2: the other is unfounded. And if it's unfounded, they were
Speaker 2: able to destroy the records, but that prevented future caseworkers
Speaker 2: from knowing about previous allegations involving a child.
Speaker 3: So that's fucked up.
Speaker 2: So now even if something is like unfounded or not substantiated,
Speaker 2: it stays in the records. And now the records must
Speaker 2: be preserved for up to ten years after the child's
Speaker 2: nineteenth birthday, with access to those records available only to
Speaker 2: child welfare workers to help establish a pattern of abuse.
Speaker 2: My god, And you know you would think when things
Speaker 2: like this happen, you would feel guilty and want to
Speaker 2: make changes within the system. But a bunch of the
Speaker 2: child welfare experts and civil liberties people were so mad
Speaker 2: and said that it violated privacy of people who are
Speaker 2: falsely accused.
Speaker 1: I say, shut your fucking mouth.
Speaker 2: Some child welfare caseworkers staged a whole protest at city
Speaker 2: Hall and in the article from The New York Times.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: Some of the signs said case workers don't murder children,
Speaker 2: politicians do.
Speaker 3: And it's like, I don't know, bitch.
Speaker 2: It seems like over you know the cut, like people, schools, diploma,
Speaker 2: the Prince, people were complaining to you and you did nothing.
Speaker 2: So like, obviously politicians and money and shit are involved,
Speaker 2: but it's like, so are you.
Speaker 1: I just like can't see in what world a judge
Speaker 1: thinks that when there's a cousin willing to take like
Speaker 1: because I know that they try to place you with
Speaker 1: family when there's a cousin willing to take her, and
Speaker 1: you're like, no, I'm gonna put her with five other
Speaker 1: children and a woman who doesn't work and has had
Speaker 1: a history of drug abuse. It's just so I don't know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: We we should find out if that judge is still
Speaker 2: working or what the fuck happens to her, what dumbass
Speaker 2: shit she's still doing to this day, because horrific and
Speaker 2: I hope this haunts her every waking moment of her life.
Speaker 2: And some of the people that were at this protest said,
Speaker 2: we're being framed as incompetent child killers and it's like,
Speaker 2: but children are dead, so who cares what people think
Speaker 2: about you, Like, it doesn't matter if your feelings are
Speaker 2: hurt and you have a bad reputation. Children are dying
Speaker 2: and you're supposed to be taking care of them and
Speaker 2: you're not. And obviously I agree, like they should be
Speaker 2: treated better paid more like given.
Speaker 1: This should be a well paying job, but it is not.
Speaker 2: And so you know, fast forward in twenty twelve, the
Speaker 2: Office of Children and Family Services. They this whole time
Speaker 2: have been quietly working to limit access to case reports,
Speaker 2: and in two thousand and seven even tried to get
Speaker 2: the law changed. And it's like, why wouldn't you do
Speaker 2: the work, like instead of working so hard to like
Speaker 2: hide all these records for your incompetence, Why don't you
Speaker 2: work this hard in protecting children. It doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: to me, but they did it in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: make a new policy that if there are living siblings
Speaker 2: or other children in the home, even if there is
Speaker 2: a fatality report, that is not in the best interest
Speaker 2: to release because for the siblings. But the fatality reports
Speaker 2: do not release names of deceased children or their caseworkers
Speaker 2: or anybody by name. They just have a list of
Speaker 2: every complaint of abuse or neglect involving the child, so
Speaker 2: the child welfare agency's response to complaints, and an assessment
Speaker 2: of where the response was adequate, so no one's names
Speaker 2: would even ever be released to anybody, You know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they're.
Speaker 2: Working so hard for like quote unquote these like fake
Speaker 2: privacy things like The New York Times had an article
Speaker 2: one year later, like after her death, about how traumatized
Speaker 2: New York was and creating an overpowering desire to find
Speaker 2: meaning in a senseless tragedy and to find ways to
Speaker 2: save all the Lisas of the future. But they don't,
Speaker 2: you know, they fucking don't, And we we think like
Speaker 2: the Internet and Twitter and twenty four news, like news
Speaker 2: coverage has made us this quick to forget news and
Speaker 2: move on. But it seems like it's always kind of
Speaker 2: been a part of humanity where something happens, we're distraught,
Speaker 2: and then we forget about it. Because we covered the
Speaker 2: Nicks Marie Brown death that happened in a very eerily
Speaker 2: similar way in two thousand and six, and then the
Speaker 2: outrage subsides, and in nineteen eighty seven, a girl Lisa
Speaker 2: Steinberg died at the hands of her adoptive's father, Joel Steinberg,
Speaker 2: and the city devoted a lot of resources and commitment
Speaker 2: to training and changing the program, but eventual budget cuts
Speaker 2: are always made, and it seems like every ten years
Speaker 2: New York has just like horrific, horrific deaths that are
Speaker 2: like fully attached but have been incompetence of these agencies
Speaker 2: and caseworker jobs have a turnover rate of forty nine
Speaker 2: percent a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So no, like half the people working don't even
Speaker 1: have experience. Yeah, so this is like just like it's
Speaker 1: a fucked system. No, it's a fucked system, and it's depressing,
Speaker 1: and I mean, honestly, to bring it back to like
Speaker 1: what's going on right now, like we're going to just
Speaker 1: see more of this when you don't allow people to
Speaker 1: have reproductive rights, you know what I mean, Like the
Speaker 1: there's not systems to protect the children that we have
Speaker 1: alive in this country, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, let's just force people with no
Speaker 1: resources to have more and then we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: when these agencies that are already strapped and overworked are
Speaker 1: like truly pushed to breaking point, you know. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's uh, but this is horrible. This is like these
Speaker 1: cases are really so fucking hard to hear about. And
Speaker 1: oh and it's like I wish her dad hadn't died.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just like the prolonged abuse of it all,
Speaker 2: like that so many people tried to help her, and
Speaker 2: like you can't deny the system failed her, like obviously
Speaker 2: it's the mother's faults.
Speaker 1: She is in prison, yes, but like right, there's checks
Speaker 1: and balances for a reason, and none of them worked
Speaker 1: this time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So well we have, you know, a cool guess.
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Speaker 3: Do you love it?
Speaker 4: I love it, absolutely love it.
Speaker 6: It's you know, it's weird because this year started off
Speaker 6: kind of slow. I mean, I've been auditioning through Zoom
Speaker 6: quite a bit.
Speaker 4: I'm up for a couple of things.
Speaker 6: Hopefully they work out, but you know, right now, I'm
Speaker 6: very focused on seeing the growth of my son in
Speaker 6: team sports and baseball particularly, and all of his teammates.
Speaker 6: They're all just wonderful kids, the great families, and I'm
Speaker 6: having a great time sharing through all of my life experience,
Speaker 6: also playing baseball since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: That's great. So, but you live in LA now, but
Speaker 1: you were born and raised in New.
Speaker 4: York, right, raised in New York.
Speaker 6: It was It's so funny because this morning I had
Speaker 6: a conversation with a with a NYPD captain who's actually retiring.
Speaker 6: He's a friend of mine and a mutual friends with
Speaker 6: another military friend of mine.
Speaker 4: I play a lot of cops.
Speaker 6: I play a lot of military, so especially in these
Speaker 6: last ten years, and it's just been like, you know,
Speaker 6: I've befriended some very wonderful people who actually, you know,
Speaker 6: do great work and really care about the community, and
Speaker 6: so I vibe with them, you know, to help me,
Speaker 6: you know, you know, be as authentic as I possibly
Speaker 6: can for any role that they asked me to play.
Speaker 6: And so he coincidentally is from the Lower East Side,
Speaker 6: like where I was born from. You know, just one
Speaker 6: conversation catching up, you know, with someone like that, you
Speaker 6: know how it brings you back to the city and
Speaker 6: everything that it was and what it is now. It's
Speaker 6: incredibly different from the seventies and eighties. So it's just, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean so much nostalgia, you know, come, you know,
Speaker 6: waves of that just keeps coming over me when I
Speaker 6: think about New York and how much I miss it
Speaker 6: and how different it is now, and you know, and
Speaker 6: being in Los Angeles now twenty years, I guess I'm
Speaker 6: kind of like an Angelino by default now, you know.
Speaker 4: But New York is always in my heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we feel the same. We both live in
Speaker 1: LA but are and former New Yorkers and we miss
Speaker 1: it a lot.
Speaker 2: Do you always do so much research with your characters
Speaker 2: and like talking to like different law enforcement. Kara is
Speaker 2: a big bosh head, so you know you are the
Speaker 2: mayor y yes, sure, yeah, what's your research?
Speaker 6: Always always a characters always always, I mean, ever since,
Speaker 6: ever since I was fourteen. One of my first coaches,
Speaker 6: Jack Romano, he was God bless his soul. He was
Speaker 6: the head of the acting department at a place called Stage.
Speaker 4: Door Manor.
Speaker 6: People like Natalie Portmant went there and Josh Charles and
Speaker 6: I went there with Josh, and he was amazing, and
Speaker 6: he taught us right at the get go the huge
Speaker 6: responsibility that we have as actors to play the roles
Speaker 6: as authentic and as informed as possible. And you know,
Speaker 6: he's talking to teenagers, you know, and teenagers have such
Speaker 6: a short attention span. But I knew since twelve that
Speaker 6: this was what I was going to do for the
Speaker 6: rest of my life. I grew up growing up in
Speaker 6: New York having so much diversity, having been disposed to
Speaker 6: so many different experiences in life. You know, there was
Speaker 6: there was always a sense of service. And I had
Speaker 6: a lot of women in my family. My grandmother helped
Speaker 6: a lot of people on the Lower East Side get
Speaker 6: their paperwork, you know, to be citizens, and she was
Speaker 6: like the matriarch of the neighborhood and everybody came to her.
Speaker 6: So I met so many wonderful people, and I saw
Speaker 6: so much service coming out of her apartment, you know
Speaker 6: that I was like, well, what can I do of
Speaker 6: service for people?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: And it turned out that she threw me on stage
Speaker 6: with the blessings of my mom to sing at this
Speaker 6: you know menudo contest. It was a lip syncing composition,
Speaker 6: but I was the only one who sang during the
Speaker 6: break and whereas people were getting up, they realized I
Speaker 6: was singing, and they all sat down before they went
Speaker 6: to the concession stand, and they followed along and they started,
Speaker 6: you know, getting into the song, and I, uh, I
Speaker 6: felt that connection for the very first time where I was,
Speaker 6: you know, giving people something to listen to and just
Speaker 6: to enjoy for a minute. From there, I you know,
Speaker 6: my family realized I had something and they nurtured it
Speaker 6: and they helped me meet the right people like Jack Romono,
Speaker 6: James Green, and I went to Carnegie Mellon and continue
Speaker 6: my college education and there Miss Saigon continue my education.
Speaker 6: There met Alan Savage and at Miss Saigon on Broadway
Speaker 6: and he was my coach for the rest of my life.
Speaker 6: And just these people. To answer your question, yes, lots
Speaker 6: of research. I just gave you the whole on how
Speaker 6: I got there. But yes, no, and there's a there's
Speaker 6: a big thing I like to share with any of
Speaker 6: my fellow actors or anything that I do, is basically,
Speaker 6: you know, we have a huge responsibility for for any
Speaker 6: soul that we take on because people, we're mirrors for everyone.
Speaker 6: So you know, if if we're blessed to do a
Speaker 6: story that is based on truth or is truth or
Speaker 6: if you can find the truth in any story, you
Speaker 6: got to know that there are people out there that
Speaker 6: that actually relate with that story that you're going to
Speaker 6: be seen in.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Miss Saigon, and we obviously did a
Speaker 2: little research. You did that show for five years. At
Speaker 2: a certain point.
Speaker 1: Is it like, like, how do you keep it going
Speaker 1: for five years?
Speaker 6: I remember sitting my very first I had to before
Speaker 6: starting rehearsals. I had to watch the show and I
Speaker 6: sat and watched the show and I couldn't stop crying.
Speaker 6: There wasn't a minute that I wasn't crying throughout the
Speaker 6: whole two hours, just in appreciation, you know. So I
Speaker 6: started first the first year as an understudy, and I
Speaker 6: and I followed and with the intent they had hired
Speaker 6: me with the intention to possibly take over for the
Speaker 6: role that I did was Tweet because at that point
Speaker 6: they weren't sure if the actor who was playing Tweet
Speaker 6: was going to continue with the with the show, and
Speaker 6: so I understudied a couple of times. They loved what
Speaker 6: I did, and of course I poured my heart into
Speaker 6: that role. They saw it, they got it. And then
Speaker 6: when he was ready to leave by the second year,
Speaker 6: then I took over the role for the next three years.
Speaker 6: And so, you know, and in the interim, which brings
Speaker 6: us to why we're even having this, you know, fun conversation.
Speaker 6: I got to do a lot of great New York
Speaker 6: shows like Law and Order, Special Victims Unit, Law and Order,
Speaker 6: then the ny p D Blue and New York Undercover
Speaker 6: at the time, and One Life to Live. I mean,
Speaker 6: I was recurring on all of these shows, and so
Speaker 6: I really didn't have have a chance to to ever
Speaker 6: you know, feel like you know, something was over. You know,
Speaker 6: I never got bored for any reason whatsoever. I was
Speaker 6: living a young guy's life, you know, in this in
Speaker 6: this experience in theater and television film. So yeah, so
Speaker 6: I had a great time basically getting up at six
Speaker 6: in the morning, get to set at seven, you know,
Speaker 6: shoot till four o'clocks five o'clock at about an hour
Speaker 6: or two hour butt break and then get my butt
Speaker 6: to the theater and rock and roll with their you know, there.
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, that's a young man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I got two kids and I can't even
Speaker 6: imagine that right now. Times they are my new show
Speaker 6: right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, greatest production of my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I saw like on your IMDb in like
Speaker 1: ninety eight you did Law and Order Original and then
Speaker 1: you did Sopranos in ninety nine, and it's like in
Speaker 1: SVU in two thousand and I was like, this feels
Speaker 1: like that might have been the time period where you
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, I'm blowing up. Like was that like
Speaker 1: when you were like things are happening for me or what?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: It was a very interesting thing because I left in
Speaker 6: two thousand and six from from Miss Saigon. But then
Speaker 6: I came back in two thousand and nine when Leaslanga
Speaker 6: came back in a couple of other originals and they
Speaker 6: and they wanted me to come back and join them,
Speaker 6: and I said, yeah, let's go. And so when I
Speaker 6: came back, I had a great time. THEO was awesome.
Speaker 6: You know, she's the original Miss Saigon on Broadway, and
Speaker 6: I got the offer for The Wild Party. I workshopped
Speaker 6: while I was doing Miss Saigon.
Speaker 4: I worked.
Speaker 6: I workshopped The Wild Party with Maddy Patinkin Earth a Kid,
Speaker 6: God bless her soul, Tony Collette and what pivot. The
Speaker 6: pivotal moment was right before opening night when two of
Speaker 6: my songs got cut and I was just like, you know,
Speaker 6: that probably wouldn't happen if if I had, you know,
Speaker 6: just a little bit more you know, star power in
Speaker 6: this situation, you know, And so I had just have
Speaker 6: to go to La. And around that time, I said,
Speaker 6: I say Yla because about five of my friends who
Speaker 6: are New Yorkers they happened to be in LA in
Speaker 6: pilot season that particular year, and they all got on
Speaker 6: the movie.
Speaker 1: Traffic and oh yeah.
Speaker 6: And then I asked my agents, how how did I
Speaker 6: not even get to read for this? This is right
Speaker 6: up my alley, you know, And my agent was like, oh,
Speaker 6: and they were Paradigm at the time, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm sorry. A lot of these people were in LA,
Speaker 6: and they really casted in LA because it took place
Speaker 6: in La and San Diego.
Speaker 4: Sister Et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh, man, I guess I gotta
Speaker 6: be in LA.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When you got when you got cast in Law
Speaker 1: and Order and then you got cast in SVU. I
Speaker 1: mean like we hear from a lot in New yorker, well,
Speaker 1: we hear from New York actors, but then especially if
Speaker 1: you're born and raised, was it like extra special to
Speaker 1: be like I'm in the Dick World universe now, like.
Speaker 6: The universe absolutely, And I just recently got a chance
Speaker 6: to go again on.
Speaker 1: I saw because I'm watching OC I saw you just
Speaker 1: in that Christmas episod so to o C Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So that was really cool that I came
Speaker 6: back to play like a Jersey cup because it was yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, in those three row I think I was
Speaker 6: was I a lawyer the first time?
Speaker 4: I don't remember what was the first think.
Speaker 6: Regular americand Lord Yeah, but the second one, I was
Speaker 6: a I was a dad trying to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the one that we're covering today.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Denny Correa, Yeah, yeah, that was an interesting episode,
Speaker 6: and uh, you know it was that it was basically
Speaker 6: one of the marks of my career where like I'm
Speaker 6: always that guy that you did you know, like what
Speaker 6: they call it the red herring, like that that you
Speaker 6: think that they're you know, that they're the guy, but
Speaker 6: they're not.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: So it's like because you know, for whatever reason, when
Speaker 6: in my work, they can see my edge, so they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: he's edgy, so we could easily be a suspect, but
Speaker 6: then he's not.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, not only just edge, but with heart. I mean,
Speaker 2: this character is not black and white like good or bad.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a very layered performance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you for that, and that's that's my goal
Speaker 6: every time. It's like always showed that, you know, the
Speaker 6: diversity of the human being, you know, all the complexities
Speaker 6: of a person, you know. And yeah, so in that
Speaker 6: particular episode, I was very very honored to be in
Speaker 6: that because they gave me so much to do, and
Speaker 6: they allowed me to play and then allowed me to
Speaker 6: give them what I felt was appropriate for that character
Speaker 6: and for their show. And I remember using that particular
Speaker 6: one or two of those scenes for many years after
Speaker 6: that in my reel until I guess probably even two
Speaker 6: thousand and five maybe I started changing up my reel
Speaker 6: and putting other things. But you know, to update, but
Speaker 6: that was that particular episode got me a lot of work.
Speaker 1: Actually, oh, very good.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but on Hulu
Speaker 2: you were the thumbnail of the episode.
Speaker 6: Yes, you know, it's so funny, complete complete transparency. This
Speaker 6: morning I clicked on and I wanted to see the
Speaker 6: episode just to see if I could. I didn't get
Speaker 6: a chance because obviously I take care of my child
Speaker 6: and I'm not gonna let her watch, you know, as
Speaker 6: for you, So she was watching Pepa Pig by the way, Yeah, Teddy, why.
Speaker 4: This than that?
Speaker 1: You know, like Pap was brutal to her dad. Pap
Speaker 1: was brutal to her dad. We got to watch it
Speaker 1: with the kids watching Pepa.
Speaker 6: Totally, totally totally. So when I clicked on, I saw
Speaker 6: the thumbnail was my face. I was like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, do you have any like specific memories.
Speaker 1: I mean, that show was like I know, it was
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago or more, but like that was,
Speaker 1: you know, just the beginning of the second season. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they had like fully hit their groove yet,
Speaker 1: but I think people knew that it was starting to
Speaker 1: become like popular, Like what was the vibe when you
Speaker 1: were on set, and any special memories of anybody that
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 6: For that, for that, I mean, you know, being even
Speaker 6: then in the Law and Order franchise, you know, that
Speaker 6: was like for all of us New York actors was
Speaker 6: like the apex, you know what I mean, Like we're there,
Speaker 6: We're in it, We're in the city shooting. You know,
Speaker 6: we got cameras rolling, you know, in our territory, in
Speaker 6: our neighborhood.
Speaker 4: You know that. That.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's huge for a lot of New York, especially
Speaker 6: young New York actors. You know, that was our goal,
Speaker 6: Like our goal was to be on Broadway. Our goal
Speaker 6: was to be on Law and Order, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, Like that's you know, so having it at
Speaker 6: that point, having done it twice was just you know,
Speaker 6: icing on the cake and beauty. So and to no surprise,
Speaker 6: everyone was really cool. The vibe was awesome. You know,
Speaker 6: New York was shooting for New York, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. So people really knew what they were doing.
Speaker 6: And in terms of a well oiled machine, it was
Speaker 6: running the right way, the way it should be, especially
Speaker 6: under someone like Dick Wolf and but yeah, it was
Speaker 6: it was totally respectful and cool and and all the
Speaker 6: people were right on. And I remember Ice team was cool.
Speaker 6: He was just hanging out in his dressing dressing room
Speaker 6: as I passed by, and I was like, I was
Speaker 6: honored to meet him, as I listened to his music too,
Speaker 6: and I was just like yeah.
Speaker 4: I walked right back.
Speaker 6: And then when I after I did my thing, he
Speaker 6: was just like yeah, man, you know, like he was like,
Speaker 6: you know, giving me his state of approval by going yeah, man,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: So it was it was nice to to, you know,
Speaker 6: to get all those guys you know, behind you and whatnot.
Speaker 4: And I'm very supportive, very supportive, and uh.
Speaker 6: I have a technique that a lot of people use
Speaker 6: in my business where we use music to get us
Speaker 6: to certain places. So every character I play has a
Speaker 6: different kind of music that goes on, whether it be
Speaker 6: jazz or rock or rap or you know whatever, you know,
Speaker 6: Latin music, whatever music is specific to that character that
Speaker 6: they would have probably listened to in the kitchen when
Speaker 6: they were three years old to seven years old. That
Speaker 6: music is what I play for every character. So I
Speaker 6: find that music for every character. So I use that
Speaker 6: to help me prep before five minutes before they say Okay,
Speaker 6: we're ready for your you know your shots. Let's go,
Speaker 6: and I'm there, I'm already, you know. So so music
Speaker 6: is a huge part of my life as well.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what music this character listened to?
Speaker 4: Danny at the time, I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think. I'm like, what's the
Speaker 1: vibe music for like a guy whose ex wife is
Speaker 1: crazy and he's trying to take away, yeah, but who
Speaker 1: also teaches dance, right, is trying to take away his
Speaker 1: daughter who's currently in a coma. What's the music? What's
Speaker 1: the well?
Speaker 4: At that time?
Speaker 6: Okay, so at that time, I was I was heavily
Speaker 6: into Mark Anthony. I love his music and I have
Speaker 6: a few times. I have mutual friends who are best
Speaker 6: friends with him. So that was the music that was playing,
Speaker 6: you know, for me. And there's a really great song
Speaker 6: about betrayal, and that was a song I was playing
Speaker 6: and it always got that song always got me. It
Speaker 6: was just like it's just like just dig it in
Speaker 6: and just like you know, so as soon as I
Speaker 6: heard like even the first you know, first bars, it
Speaker 6: was like, all right, let's go, you know, so yeah,
Speaker 6: and then just play you know, play out the situation
Speaker 6: and take on take on the people that I had
Speaker 6: to take on and convince them of what's going on
Speaker 6: and what the truth is for this guy, you know.
Speaker 4: So it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 6: It was definitely exhilarating, and you know, being in New
Speaker 6: York and shooting in New York again, you know, with
Speaker 6: a great crew, New York crew. I mean that every
Speaker 6: time I do it is that alone gets just hits
Speaker 6: me with all the nostalgia and a pang in my
Speaker 6: chest of just overwhelming gratitude and just like, let's go,
Speaker 6: let's make this happen, like you know, and and let's
Speaker 6: do the best that we can with it. And uh,
Speaker 6: that just happened to me back in November when I
Speaker 6: got to shoot and you know with the episode the
Speaker 6: Christmas episode of OC, you know, and order and having
Speaker 6: to work with those guys, and it was such a
Speaker 6: great comeback because it was like many years after I
Speaker 6: had left New York, living in New York and and
Speaker 6: I remember like my first day I'm coming on set
Speaker 6: and the night before I just managed because I only
Speaker 6: had like five days to prefer this. This was an offer,
Speaker 6: and I was told in like three or four days
Speaker 6: I got a fly to New York and they said,
Speaker 6: oh shoot. So I get there the day before I
Speaker 6: have to film. So I'm researching online before I go
Speaker 6: on about what's the closest police precinct where the incident
Speaker 6: took place? And I called the precinct. I said, can
Speaker 6: I have an appointment with one of the captains or
Speaker 6: even the sergeant, just to like sit with him and
Speaker 6: just to feel them out? You know, I shoot this
Speaker 6: day on Friday, I get in on Wednesday. Can I
Speaker 6: meet with you on Thursday? And they were like, sure
Speaker 6: it apartment. It turns out where I was staying was
Speaker 6: only fifteen minutes away from the precinct. So I got
Speaker 6: a chance to sit down with those guys. They were
Speaker 6: so giving and so wonderful, and I was able to
Speaker 6: then just like drop in take all that information they
Speaker 6: gave me from New Jersey, understanding the logistics and the
Speaker 6: difference between both cities and their laws, because they literally
Speaker 6: I found out that there's a lot of laws that
Speaker 6: are different right over the GW between New York and
Speaker 6: and Fort Lee forty Thank you Fortley, the police Department
Speaker 6: Fort Lee. These guys come in from New York, do
Speaker 6: their crime and hustle back into New York so that
Speaker 6: they don't get charged for the same crimes in the
Speaker 6: scene on the same level. So a lot of the
Speaker 6: craziness was going on even while we were shooting. So
Speaker 6: like coming on set having that information was like thrilling,
Speaker 6: and it was it was like a nice welcome back,
Speaker 6: you know, back to New York and you know, having
Speaker 6: that vibe on set on a Lauren Order set mind
Speaker 6: you you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And did you reconnect with Maloney? Did you remember you?
Speaker 1: Because like you have a big scene with him in
Speaker 1: this in this episode from two thousand where he's like
Speaker 1: pressing you for a confession, and then now twenty years later,
Speaker 1: you're like reconnecting. And I was worried for your character
Speaker 1: because you're trying to arrest his son and we all
Speaker 1: know how Elliot Stabler feels about his children. Like I
Speaker 1: was like, he's going to get punched, Like I was
Speaker 1: worried about you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, he was very focused and he did you know,
Speaker 6: there was probably one wink of a like blink up
Speaker 6: an eye where he looked at me and was like
Speaker 6: why do I know this guy?
Speaker 4: But yeah, we didn't get into that.
Speaker 6: We didn't get into that and that, you know, and
Speaker 6: it's been such a long time that you know, obviously
Speaker 6: with everybody they've worked with, there's no way that they're
Speaker 6: going to remember Denny Carrea.
Speaker 3: Well, I know.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because it's like, even if you gave
Speaker 1: the premise, even if you're like, remember my ex wife
Speaker 1: was Psycho and she was beating up our kid, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't remember that. That's happened a
Speaker 1: bunch of times on the show, of.
Speaker 6: Course, of course, of course. And then you know, Marishka,
Speaker 6: she was so sweet. We had a scene they actually
Speaker 6: cut out such a cool scene. I wish they kept it.
Speaker 6: But we had this great connection. We had a great
Speaker 6: vibe that day, and I was internally geeking out because
Speaker 6: I love her work. I love her on the show,
Speaker 6: and you know, and I didn't, you know, I didn't
Speaker 6: want to impose that in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to do it through my work and
Speaker 6: give her my best. And she felt that, and she
Speaker 6: was really nice and supportive, and you know, that was
Speaker 6: a great experience.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's great to hear.
Speaker 2: Well, so you've worked on so many TV shows. I've
Speaker 2: been on so many sets, what is the sign of
Speaker 2: like a great set? And then have you ever experienced
Speaker 2: when you arrive and you're like, oh, this is going
Speaker 2: to be a mess, or like uh ah, this like
Speaker 2: what are the differences between like a solid set or
Speaker 2: when you it might not be so solid?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's interesting because as a producer, and I've
Speaker 6: produced myself, one of the great things are the great
Speaker 6: caveats of producing, is that you understand the amount of
Speaker 6: pressure they're all going through to get a project done,
Speaker 6: whether it be fine tuned, well oiled running machine, or
Speaker 6: you know, some somewhat chaotic, So you understand what it takes,
Speaker 6: you know, for them to have finally the grace of
Speaker 6: being able to put up their production. So I sympathize man,
Speaker 6: and I I've learned early on how to be flexible
Speaker 6: with everyone and appreciate. So for me, my only concern
Speaker 6: is I have to be ready, So I do my
Speaker 6: prep work.
Speaker 4: On the day that I show up.
Speaker 6: That's a celebration of my preparation, and no matter what happens,
Speaker 6: whatever delays, whatever this, whatever that, or everything's running great,
Speaker 6: We're going to have a good time that day because
Speaker 6: it's a celebration that's my attitude about it. And that
Speaker 6: was taught to me early on through sports because I
Speaker 6: do martial arts and I do you know, I played
Speaker 6: baseball before and you know, and I don't remember where
Speaker 6: who told me that, but that was pivotal and key,
Speaker 6: you know, for my life moving forward to really just
Speaker 6: enjoy the process and to really just you know, appreciate
Speaker 6: and celebrate, especially after you know, doing all your research right,
Speaker 6: you know, because you know, because there are times early
Speaker 6: on many young actors fall through this kind of a
Speaker 6: pitfall where they over focus on their research and they
Speaker 6: forget to live, They forget to breathe, simple things like that,
Speaker 6: just breathe, breathing through your nose and dropping in and
Speaker 6: you know, letting the the work do what it's going
Speaker 6: to do. So when you show up with the right
Speaker 6: attitude to you know, to work, to just celebrate and
Speaker 6: you're dropped in and you're trusting all your your your
Speaker 6: you know, your your research and all your preparation, you're
Speaker 6: trusting that, then no matter what happens, it's a blessing
Speaker 6: and you're just doing your thing, you know, and you're
Speaker 6: doing your best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome, That is very beautiful.
Speaker 2: I like your perspecting yea life in sports, and I agree.
Speaker 2: I played sports my whole life, and I feel like
Speaker 2: you learn a lot of lessons. Any final tidbits you'd
Speaker 2: love to share with our listeners from SVW or and
Speaker 2: then any upcoming projects that we should all watch out
Speaker 2: for you, or any tidbits from BOSH for me if
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 6: Bosh was great. I mean, yeah, Titus Well of amazing.
Speaker 3: Titus has been on SVU twice.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yeah, and so has Jamie Hector. He
Speaker 1: was on, but he was a very little part, probably
Speaker 1: at the beginning of his career. Like I clock all
Speaker 1: the Bashi people on the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, he's totally amazing and New Yorker as well.
Speaker 6: And yeah, Jamie, I ended up becoming great friends with
Speaker 6: him and we I put him in a movie called
Speaker 6: Canal Street that I produced and he did amazing in that.
Speaker 6: Here's a tidbit about any set, you know, especially if
Speaker 6: you're thinking about writing and producing and directing in any
Speaker 6: way as an actor. You never know where your next
Speaker 6: job is coming from. So everyone's paying attention to just
Speaker 6: go in there and celebrate and have a great time,
Speaker 6: have a great attitude and rock and roll, and somehow,
Speaker 6: some way someone took note of that, and you know,
Speaker 6: years later you might need a job. You're in between jobs, Somedden,
Speaker 6: you get a phone call. Because of who you are
Speaker 6: and what you know, the person you are and your
Speaker 6: great soul and how hard working you are, someone's going
Speaker 6: to call you up and be like, Yo, remember that
Speaker 6: day we worked on that set and I asked for
Speaker 6: your phone number.
Speaker 4: I got this great part for you, your perfect foreman.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's important that you are nice to everyone on set
Speaker 6: and as far as s for you. Like I said before,
Speaker 6: I mean that is a complete honor. Uh, the Law
Speaker 6: and Order franchise, everything they involved. I have friends stealing it,
Speaker 6: rocking it, doing shows for them, and I'm always I'm always,
Speaker 6: you know, without imposing, I'm just like, yo, what's up?
Speaker 4: You know? You know, don't forget me. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, because I you know, play on
Speaker 4: Chicago PD or something.
Speaker 1: You know, like I could be a fireman, you know,
Speaker 1: so let's go. Wow, he is so cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a nice guy. He's been doing it for so long,
Speaker 1: like the Broadway to television to movies, trajectory has been Uh.
Speaker 2: I love a coaching little league moment. Yeah, that always
Speaker 2: gets me like excited for life. Yeah, I had a
Speaker 2: good time and playing little league.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I played softball. I love that ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, except the coach's daughter was always the pitcher, and
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm sorry, she's not even that good. Like,
Speaker 2: so she was good, I'd be like, okay, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: but it's because I remember when I played basketball, Brittany
Speaker 2: was just better than us and her dad was the coach.
Speaker 3: But it's like, of course she's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Christina, you weren't even that good. So I
Speaker 1: don't know why were you pitching the whole time? All right?
Speaker 1: Post mortem, post mortem on legacy? What did we learn
Speaker 1: that fucking inherited drama is real?
Speaker 2: And you can't judge a book by its cover. Just
Speaker 2: because someone's wearing a little suit and has a soccer
Speaker 2: mom haircut, they could be raping their daughter with a
Speaker 2: hair brush.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think she was spanking her.
Speaker 5: But yeah, uh yeah, yeah, that's so true. I didn't
Speaker 5: really think about how this episode was a lot about like,
Speaker 5: you know, classism and stuff and how you think this
Speaker 5: fry Cook, who's an immigrant from another country.
Speaker 1: Is everyone looks at him as the bad guy. Also
Speaker 1: he's the man, but really it's the Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: buttoned up mom with the two thousands eyebrows and the
Speaker 1: you know three wealth. Yeah, so just don't don't judge
Speaker 1: a book. But also, I mean, it's like I want
Speaker 1: to be like, see, if you see something, say something.
Speaker 1: Let's keep an eye on all of our children and
Speaker 1: not be afraid to say stuff. But it's like people
Speaker 1: said things a million times with Alisa, and unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough. And it just feels like the system
Speaker 1: is so fucked. But you know what else, I guess
Speaker 1: try not to hook up with your zoom but instructor
Speaker 1: and rehab it's probably gonna go down a road. It's
Speaker 1: not great.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but it's like you're sober, Yeah, you need something.
Speaker 2: I guess you're gonna fuck the zoom bag. I guess sure,
Speaker 2: you're like not doing pills.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people meet in rehab and stuff too, even
Speaker 1: though it's against the rules. I know people meet there
Speaker 1: and end up together. I know people who have But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like this is a classic episode. I'm glad
Speaker 1: we did it, but really tough. The crime was Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I just can't believe every ten years there's
Speaker 1: like a Landmark horror showcase in New York and like
Speaker 1: nothing changes. And I'm sure there are in many other
Speaker 1: states the same situation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, stop having kids, Stop forcing people having kids,
Speaker 2: like unless you really want.
Speaker 1: To, Yeah, unless you have the emotional ability to take
Speaker 1: care of them, I suppose.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And yeah, if you're gonna think your daughter is filled
Speaker 2: with a demon, don't have a child.
Speaker 1: Or like, why didn't you just let all the other
Speaker 1: people that wanted or take her, like if call up
Speaker 1: that cousin and go, hey, I think this one has demons?
Speaker 1: Can you take her? Like it's like I don't understand,
Speaker 1: like it's it's an illness. I mean, but that does
Speaker 1: actually lead us right into this week's what would Sister
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Speaker 2: Also, speaking of Instagram, I loved what you posted with
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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I want to see it.
Speaker 1: A couple listeners have sent it to us. I don't
Speaker 1: know what part of the country that is. But like
Speaker 1: and he's wearing the T shirt. It's not like some
Speaker 1: people will send us like you know, at a at
Speaker 1: like a place, the iced tea like tin that that
Speaker 1: serves ic tya will have a picture of icy on it. Okay, cute,
Speaker 1: this is like a full spawn. This is iced tea
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're ever on the road in the South, yeah,
Speaker 2: we will hopefully get an iced tea cardboard cutout chicken.
Speaker 4: All right.
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