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Speaker 2: Episode four sixty eight of The Bobby Cast with Charlie Hansom.

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest writers and producers right now. I

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Speaker 2: Last Night, Morgan Wallen, Cowgirls, Morgan Wallen and Ernest more

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Speaker 2: is Ryan. One of the biggest producer songwriters in all

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Speaker 2: of music right now and especially wait for the gambling talk,

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Speaker 2: gambling talk. Charlie Hansome Episode four sixty eight. You can

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Speaker 2: follow him on Instagram. Charlie Hansome, but the Ian Handsome

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Speaker 3: And here he is, Charlie Hansome. We have a.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I didn't know what you I

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Speaker 2: That's what she was saying about me, and I talked

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Speaker 2: Let's say you concept based, title based, like a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to come in with ideas already, you

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Speaker 2: What about writing in the studio whenever you have a studio,

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about that process?

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Speaker 3: Room is this? Like why are we doing this?

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Speaker 1: So I think it's easy for people to do that

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Speaker 3: You're right, yeah, And so then when you have something

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Speaker 1: Yeah we could record it immediately. Yeah, But I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So is your phone full of melodies or concepts?

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Speaker 3: What does your phone creatively have in it right now? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in voice notes. I probably got like I

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Speaker 1: No, I never really think to go back. But what

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Speaker 2: So there's the opportunity for something that you have saved,

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Speaker 3: We'll go flex No, Charlie Hanson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, stuck with it, can't shake it.

442
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Speaker 1: I mean, he'll I never listened to this interview, so

443
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:02,879
Speaker 1: I hope you don't care that I'm saying this. But

444
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 1: my friend Murder Beats. He was like, that's not name. Yeah,

445
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,040
Speaker 1: mister Beats. He was like, he's like, fuck, man, I

446
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,960
Speaker 1: wish I didn't pick that name, you know what I mean.

447
00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, he's gone so far with it, so

448
00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,280
Speaker 1: you're not going to change that.

449
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 2: Our mutual friend who I guess you met at a

450
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 2: charity event, Josie.

451
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I met her at a charity event.

452
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 1: She's friends with my fiance.

453
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're probably at the charity event together, correct animals.

454
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

455
00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,240
Speaker 2: She was like she was over the house and we're

456
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,520
Speaker 2: close with her, and she's our dog's ved and she

457
00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,320
Speaker 2: does a podcast on my network all this stuff.

458
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,280
Speaker 3: So she was talking about you.

459
00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,439
Speaker 2: She goes I was with Charlie Handsome, and I was like,

460
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,520
Speaker 2: that's the coolest name I've ever heard of her life.

461
00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,080
Speaker 2: That was literally my thought was like, it can't be

462
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,000
Speaker 2: his real name. Yeah, but if it is a real name,

463
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,440
Speaker 2: like that's double that's really the coolest name. But I thought,

464
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,000
Speaker 2: on the surface, thought it was the coolest name I've

465
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,800
Speaker 2: ever heard, Like if I was a wrestler, Charlie Handsome it's.

466
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Speaker 1: Working out now, Yeah, that would be good. I mean

467
00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,960
Speaker 1: I've gotten used to it, right, So, I mean I

468
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,120
Speaker 1: answered to Charlie. If someone says Ryan anywhere, I don't

469
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 1: look if.

470
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 3: I hear somebody, Oh that's interesting.

471
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 1: I'm so used to this now. But but yeah, I

472
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 1: mean it worked out.

473
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 3: Your parents still live, Oh my mom? Yeah? Did you

474
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 3: know your dad? No, okay, I did my dad was

475
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,680
Speaker 3: that when I was five as well? Does your mom?

476
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,680
Speaker 3: Your mom calls you Ryan? Right? You still talking about

477
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,680
Speaker 3: She never calls Charlie accident.

478
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 1: No, I mean maybe like as a joke. Yeah, you

479
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But yeah, she still says Ryan.

480
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,640
Speaker 1: But that's about it.

481
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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

482
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Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

483
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Speaker 2: I know how people come up in Nashville, and how

484
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 2: if you're an artist, a lot of times you get

485
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,640
Speaker 2: a published until first you come and you play open mics,

486
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 2: you meet people, you start writing songs and you slowly rise.

487
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 3: What's the LA scene like?

488
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 2: Because I don't feel like that community just being out

489
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 2: there a bit doing some TV shows and stuff, and

490
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 2: I feel like that community is as tight because it's much.

491
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 3: Bigger, much more broad. How do you how do you

492
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 3: come up there?

493
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 1: I think you just gotta do something big?

494
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,920
Speaker 2: Like what would you tell somebody who's nineteen. It's like,

495
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: mister Hansome, what do I need to do? I'm a

496
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 2: pretty good songwriter. I'm ready to start to put in effort.

497
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 2: What do I do in La?

498
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: In La?

499
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

500
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah tough? I don't know you're you're a good songwriter

501
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 1: in La. I mean the advice that was kind of

502
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: given to me was kind of I was trying to

503
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 1: get with all these big artists. Kanye was one of them,

504
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine said, and he was in

505
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 1: the music industry as well. He goes, they don't want you.

506
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 1: Like He's like, you gotta make your own shit. You

507
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: gotta have your own circle. And then when they see

508
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 1: that you're doing something cool, then they're all gonna start

509
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 1: calling you. And so he's like, you really just got

510
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 1: to focus on like the next thing and not what's

511
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: already good, and so that was kind of the approach

512
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: I took. I always worked with like new artists, and

513
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 1: like if you look at my career, like most of

514
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,400
Speaker 1: my success, like looking back, you'll be like, oh, he's

515
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: working with these big artists, but like not when they started.

516
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean I was working with all these guys before

517
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: they were big, Like my all my hits, like there's

518
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: maybe a few with guys who already established, but most

519
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: of them were like, Oh, this guy's about to blow

520
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,199
Speaker 1: up or this guy's just starting, and then we do

521
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: the records and then we just stick together for a

522
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 1: few years.

523
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Speaker 2: Who do you look back at and say, Man, I

524
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 2: was pretty fortunate, And they were also fortunate that we

525
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: met each other before he had hit and before you

526
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: had really hit. Like what early artist, producer songwriter relationship

527
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: do you look at it?

528
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 4: Go?

529
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 3: Man, both got pretty fortunate that we existed before we

530
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: blew up and met each other.

531
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean Post was definitely the first one

532
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: for me. I mean that's really what launched my career. So, uh,

533
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, I was doing other stuff, but when we met,

534
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: we kind of locked in and we just started working

535
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,479
Speaker 1: like you know, every day, and you know, living at

536
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: the same house for a little bit stuff like that,

537
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: and so when he got big, it kind of when

538
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: he blew up, it kind of let me start getting

539
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: other opportunities because people start reaching out, you know, obviously

540
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: checking the credits and then saying, oh, you made this,

541
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: we want to work with you on something. And so

542
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: I didn't actually meet Conye until after me and post

543
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: It started putting out songs. Then it was like, oh,

544
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: now Kanye wants to work.

545
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 3: How did you and post meet?

546
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm not mistaken, I met him at

547
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: this house. There was this weird house we were calling

548
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: at the White House because it looked like the White House.

549
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: It was in Encino, California, and it was like this

550
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: big like mansion that I don't know the exact details,

551
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: but I think like fifteen kids like threw in on.

552
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Speaker 3: I think some of them were by the place or

553
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: rent the place.

554
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: And I think it was like some of them were

555
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: YouTube kids, and some of them were aspiring rappers and

556
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: producers and different people. But I think they all just

557
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 1: kind of threw in and kind of like we're you know,

558
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: It's like you go in there and there's like no

559
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: furniture and there's you know, shitty, but like it's a

560
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: big house, So I think he was sleeping in the closet,

561
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: Like he would have to confirm that. I've been saying

562
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: that for years, so if I'm wrong, I'd be crazy.

563
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: But like, I'm pretty sure he had a little room

564
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: in a closet somewhere. But I was over there working

565
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: with other people. And when I take smoke breaks because

566
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: I used to smoke cigarettes a lot, Like, he would

567
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: be out there and we would talk, and then he

568
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: would come in the studio as well, and then he's

569
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: he eventually like played me some stuff that he did

570
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: and it was, you know, it was awesome. And then

571
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: I was recording one day, I think we were writing

572
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: a song is one of the songs that Travis Scott cut,

573
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: and I asked him to jump on the mic and

574
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: he got on there and sang, and it was like

575
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: it was like, why the fuck aren't we doing this guy?

576
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: Like this is who we should be focused on, Like

577
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: is the talent. So once I saw that, we kind

578
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: of locked in and just you know, I think his

579
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: success kind of goes hand in hand with my career

580
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: as well.

581
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: Do you think he'd say the same thing about you

582
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: that he was fortunate, and he was like, man, why

583
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: have not I been working with this guy?

584
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: Like it was a marriage meant to be?

585
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd hope so, But I mean it was also new.

586
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he tried working with them million people before.

587
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: I mean, he was probably eighteen when he moved, so

588
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: I think I met him either when he was eighteen

589
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: or nineteen, So it was like, you know, he hadn't

590
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: been in the game. I don't think he had any

591
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: songs out when we met, but he wasn't. He didn't

592
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: even have post alone the name when we met. He

593
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: had a same thing like we're saying, like he I

594
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: think he had a couple of names on a paper

595
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: and was like one of them was his post, and

596
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: I think me or somebody else was like, yeah, but

597
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: if you google post, you're gonna be like fence post,

598
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: lamp post.

599
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the serial brand whatever.

600
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,239
Speaker 1: But then he also had post malone written down, and

601
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: that was like that sounded cool.

602
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: So it doesn't sound by your description that he was

603
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: super aggressive, like this is my music, let's do something.

604
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: Mostly it was like you guys were just sharing ideas

605
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: or like this is what I think you're in that house.

606
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. He didn't come to you

607
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: and me like, hey, will you produce my stuff?

608
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: No? No, no, not initially, no, not at all. But yeah,

609
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: I think he was working on stuff here and there.

610
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, because I'll say this, like when you walk

611
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: in the house initially with that man people, it's unclear,

612
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: like on first glance, like, wh who's who's gonna blow up? Yeah? Singing?

613
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Who's rapping? Like I think the first song I heard

614
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: of him was straight rap. I don't even think there

615
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: was any melody maybe, but once I heard him singing,

616
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: I was just like this, this is the guy. And

617
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: uh we had moved into a different house where we

618
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: met somebody who had a studio in their basement, and

619
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: uh so we all started working over there and you

620
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: know that's where we got it going.

621
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Speaker 3: But yeah, the first song you did with him, fuck,

622
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I mean, go flex Is that

623
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: one of them?

624
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: It's early? Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember the

625
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: first song, but it's probably not the first one, but

626
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: it's definitely early. Like the SoundCloud, A lot of stuff

627
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: that was coming out on SoundCloud before he had a

628
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: record deal. We were doing and he put out a

629
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: mixtape as well.

630
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: Was that pretty wild for you too to see that

631
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: SoundCloud stuff explode with him?

632
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, and that's also when you know, you

633
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: look at the music industry. Obviously now it's TikTok. Back

634
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: then SoundCloud was became the thing, and he was one

635
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: of the first people. Maybe I don't know everyone, but

636
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: he might have been the first like big artist off

637
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: SoundCloud that got huge, and then you know a few

638
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: others like x x X and maybe UZI Vert. But

639
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: I think, like I think the first month. Again I

640
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: could be wrong on this, but I think he got

641
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: like two hundred million plays on White iverson in a month,

642
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: and it was like, the Fuck's going on? This shit's insane,

643
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, so the all the labels and everybody was

644
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: paying attention at that point.

645
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: What was he like to hang out with then, same

646
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: as he is now?

647
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he wasn't that much different. He's always

648
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: been like a really sweet guy. He's always been like

649
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: a really nice kid, so kind of the same, you know,

650
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: chain smoking SIGs and drinking and playing songs on guitar

651
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: and like, you know, because it's like we'd make songs

652
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: in the studio but then we had this like little

653
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: porch fire and we would just sit out there and

654
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: still jam on guitar and play covers. Right, so it

655
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: was like covering country songs, covering bright Eyes, covering some

656
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: emo shit.

657
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: You know. I found them to be very sweet. I

658
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: think that's a great word.

659
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: Like I think I've had three occasions where I've spent

660
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: more than three minutes with them. Yeah, and very like

661
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: sweet and kind feeling. And he felt like he was

662
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: sensitive to what I wanted to talk about or and

663
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: I did not expect that from somebody who was it

664
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: didn't matter who it was, but somebody was just so

665
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: wildly famous.

666
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: You know, having been around other people that are famous,

668
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: it's usually not that way. A lot of times you'll

669
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: know this better than anyone. People that are wildly famous

670
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: are they're that way because they demand all the attention.

671
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: They It's very much a me centric world in the

672
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: world of entertainment. But I did not that any time

673
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: that I was with him, I did not find that

674
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, which was extremely different than what I.

675
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: Was used to do.

676
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say he he kind of stuck with

677
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: that too. I mean, he's the same and he you know,

678
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: he's just like conscious of the people around him and

679
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, obviously a big yes ma'am, yes sir to everybody,

680
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: making sure you know. He'll also sign more autographs than

681
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: most people, Like he'll sit there and do it for everybody,

682
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Whereas it's like, you know, I've been with a lot

683
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: of artists who you know, you gotta leave, you gotta

684
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: go to the next thing, which is not even anything

685
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: bad on them. They're actually busy.

686
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 2: He came and played the Rhyman Show with me. Was

687
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: super cool, and he stayed longer than any other artist.

688
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: He took pictures with every person and I posted about

689
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: it and I was like, and a little bit it

690
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: was to some of these guys that won't do anything.

691
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: It's like, you got a guy that's twenty x famous

692
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: than you. Yeah, and he spent time with every single

693
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: person that has stayed back to say hello and again.

694
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: I found that to be super cool. I'm assuming you

695
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: guys still work well together. I mean, you're doing the

696
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: record as we talk. It's not out yet, but by

697
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: the time this is heard, it is out. So how

698
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: long how many years have you guys worked together?

699
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: Now? A long time?

700
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, technically a long time. We definitely spent some time

701
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: not working together as well, got it, but that'd being

702
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: the case.

703
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: How long have you been known?

704
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we started working. We probably did our first song

705
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: either late twenty fourteen or early twenty.

706
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: Fifteen, ten years so yeah, that's crazing.

707
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: So twenty fifteen, we were like locked in really doing

708
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, you know, technically, and I don't

709
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: know where it says it. I guess you got to

710
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: buy the physical copy of his first album. Technically I'm

711
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: an executive producer on that album. I don't really do

712
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: all the work necessary necessary, like to be executive producer.

713
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: But that was kind of where we were locked in

714
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: on his first album. And then you know, kind of

715
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: went separate ways for a little bit, and then you know,

716
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: I caught I think I put a song on his

717
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: album two albums ago. It was a random song that

718
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I sent them, you know, But we weren't, you know,

719
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: we weren't actually working as much. I was living in

720
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Nashville doing my thing. He was doing his thing. And

721
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: then we had talked about doing a country album back

722
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, and you know, I go back and

723
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: forth on power Manifestation shit, But we did say album six.

724
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: That was the conversation where like, your sixth album could

725
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: be country and you could do a pull a reverse

726
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and like be the biggest pop star and

727
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: then do a country album. So when he asked me

728
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: to do this album, it was cool because I was

729
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 1: just like, wait a minute, how many albums have you had?

730
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: He's like five. I was like, shit, you know, so.

731
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: What do you mean you go back and forth on

732
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: the manifestation? Oh? What are your two areas you live in?

733
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: No, just some of it doesn't really make sense. I

734
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: understand that if you're saying something thinking about it, you'll

735
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: actively start making moves towards it, But some of it's

736
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: just kind of ridiculous, like and it feels like it

737
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't be real.

738
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: But it might be.

739
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it might be. And that's why I don't like.

740
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: Then I get into these weird who's got stronger manifestation?

741
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: If we're both manifesting the opposite. I started looking at that.

742
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that too, like if two people

743
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: are praying opposite things, yea, even in that way like.

744
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: Who wins? Yeah.

745
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: It's like so sometimes like someone will say something to

746
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: me and I'll be like yo, like you know, take

747
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: that back, you don't say that, you know, yeah, or

748
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: like I'll be like, oh, your manifestation powers week. So

749
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm not worried because like people will say some shit,

750
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: you know.

751
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about too.

752
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 2: And again, this is just my weird brain going down

753
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: places that I probably spend way too much time that

754
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: actually makes nothing good for me. But I'll think about

755
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: either if it's manifestation or prayer or however you want

756
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: to even describe that, that that communication within yourself or

757
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: to others. But I'll see somebody on Facebook like, hey,

758
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: we could use all these prayers, but all these what's

759
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: the number that becomes? Is all these more than one?

760
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: Does if it's just one, does one count as equal

761
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: as all these?

762
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: Interesting?

763
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: I think about that a lot, because you know, if

764
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: you get ten thousand people to pray for something, does

765
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: that mean it's more powerful than if you just pray

766
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: for it by yourself. And if so, let's we need

767
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: to get a prayer, go fund me just for bigger

768
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: causes then and get more people. So yeah, I get

769
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: tired thinking about stuff like that's interesting.

770
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: And it's also that you bring up prayer because it's

771
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: a separate thing because I'll pray too, but I don't

772
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: almost exclusively. I don't ask for anything and prayer like you.

773
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I'll pray more for a situation, okay, rephrase. I'll ask

774
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: for something for somebody who maybe is hurt, or somebody

775
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: who maybe is going through some shit but you know,

776
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: or a safety thing, but it's not It's never like, man,

777
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: can I get a number one song?

778
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: I'm not asking for shit like that. I think with me,

779
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: it's I realized that I've done a lot of things

780
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: wrong that ended up very right. Yeah, Like.

781
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: I've been sued for millions of dollars, I've been fine

782
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. I've made a lot of mistakes, but

783
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: either greater good came from that. So my desire is always,

784
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: even if it has to be something that's very difficult

785
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: for me to go through, I just want it to

786
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: be right.

787
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 3: I'm not asking for something good.

788
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm asking for something bad, just like keep me in

789
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: a space that I'm going to continue to get to

790
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: be the best version of me for myself and the

791
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: people that I care about.

792
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: Yea, And yeah, I don't ask. I don't ask either

793
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: for specific things. Maybe I should, but I don't ask

794
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: either I do ask, put me in a space that

795
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: even if it doesn't go right, so it was supposed

796
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: to not go right, so the greater good can be

797
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 3: achieved or the greater learning can be achieved from it.

798
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I also fuck with back and forth on

799
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: that one, too, right, because I heard this one, but

800
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: I liked it. It was everything happens for a reason

801
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: that people just make up afterwards.

802
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: I completely everything happens for a reason. I do not

803
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: subscribe to at all. I think what happens, things happen.

804
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: But again I can't prove I'm right right, like we're

805
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: all these are theories for sure. I do not subscribe

806
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: to everything happens for a reason. I subscribe to everything happens.

807
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: And then we've got to figure out a reason that

808
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: it happened. And so our most positive feeling is, well,

809
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: if that happened and it wasn't good, it must have

810
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: happened for a reason. It's us associating the best possible

811
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: outcome with what has happened. But again, I can't prove

812
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm right. Nobody can prove they're right, really in these situations. Yeah,

813
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: so when he says he wants to do a country

814
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: record for real And you guys have talked about it

815
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: so many times.

816
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: Did you ever think maybe or did.

817
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: You think do you think he was serious about it?

818
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: Or was he just kind of flirting with the idea

819
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: he needed you to kind of push him?

820
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: He was for sure serious? What do you mean back

821
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: in the day?

822
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: No? Now, because back in the day it felt like

823
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: you have just talked about it for fun because you

824
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: liked the music. But no, I knew, I knew serious.

825
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean it Also, timing wise made sense, like it

826
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: was the sixth album, his fifth album was you know,

827
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: a bit of a departure from his previous four, right,

828
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm assuming y'all y'all have heard Austin and you know

829
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: it had more like rock elements, have more.

830
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Indian instruments too. Yeah, you can actually tell.

831
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: Them, you know. So it was a different project already,

832
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: so he was already experimenting with different things and and country.

833
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, wasn't that far of a step. But when

834
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: he said yeah, I didn't think Yeah, there was no

835
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: part of me that was like, oh, he might not

836
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: be serious. And also where I'm at made sense right

837
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: as you were here, Yeah I'm here, But I'm also

838
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: like not to be whatever about it. I'm also like,

839
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: have the biggest country songs right now. So it's like

840
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: not that I always will, but I'm saying like right

841
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: now I do. So like it kind of just worked

842
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: out because you know, he could come to town. I

843
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: already know everybody. I've already done like the groundwork here,

844
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: like fucking you know. So I felt like as soon

845
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: as he said he wanted to do it, I kind

846
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: of already knew, like instant things start. I just started

847
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: getting ideas, thinking, oh, I know who I want to call,

848
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: I know who I want for this that whatever, you know,

849
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: down to the band stuff, like where do.

850
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: You start in your head?

851
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: Because again, if it calls you and you guys are

852
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: doing this project, everybody else going to come on and help,

853
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: But it starts with that nucleus, right you and him?

854
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: Where do you start in your head? Immediately? Is it

855
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: what features you want to put on? What studio you

856
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 2: want to go to, what's the sound?

857
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Like?

858
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: Where do you go? Because there's so.

859
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: Many I think songs first, because without songs, what are

860
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: you doing?

861
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: Did you have any already?

862
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: I had some songs that I thought, yeah, maybe he

863
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: would like I had sent him a few, but he's

864
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: also you know, he wants to write the stuff too,

865
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: so it's not he's not as much an artist, and

866
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: especially in the way he's come up. You know, he

867
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: doesn't cut outside songs. If you look at all his

868
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: old albums and stuff. Like when I say I put

869
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: a song on one of his albums before, it was

870
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: a song that I sent him that I had like

871
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: four lines of lyrics too, incomplete, very incomplete. I had

872
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: the melodies, but I didn't have much of the lyrics

873
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: at all. So yeah, he always wants to write, and

874
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean it was more so I was

875
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: thinking song ideas, start coming up with concepts, start creating

876
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: a sound, because that's that's really As a producer, what

877
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: I try to do is like make sure each artist

878
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: I work with has that we do a unique sound

879
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: for them.

880
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to be.

881
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: One of the producers, like I don't want to name it,

882
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: but like the dudes who it's like, oh, you.

883
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: Can tell that they've produced it or not even in a.

884
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Bad way, like like oh, Frell did a song for them,

885
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: and Frell did a song for them.

886
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: I would compared to guitar players, and they sound similar.

887
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: Like tone guitar tone, even though the songs are different.

888
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: You can definitely tell just to keep you out of

889
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 2: getting into the producer world where you may say something

890
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm just what you're saying. I can

891
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: do guitar players as is that example, though, I can

892
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: tell a slash riff. Yeah, no matter where it is,

893
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: who it's with, what's going on, right, the tone by

894
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: this specific tone, Yeah, for sure, and a lot of

895
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 2: the how he fingers the guitar. So same with producers.

896
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: I can also tell, for the most part by how

897
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: slick it is, by how exactly who's producing it. Because

898
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: I've just been around enough and you didn't want to

899
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: fall into that trap.

900
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I still to an extent. There's there's

901
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: things that maybe people can hear and say, okay, like

902
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: this probably Charlie probably made this. But when it comes

903
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: to artists, I mean, like there's songs that I write

904
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, Like if I'm just doing a

905
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: writing session, like yesterday I wrote two songs with some guys.

906
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: If we write a song from Morgan Walling and then

907
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: Morgan doesn't want the song, I don't pitch it to

908
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: anyone else.

909
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: It dies.

910
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I generally like ninety nine point nine percent of

911
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: the time the song is.

912
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: Dead because it was written specifically with something or someone

913
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: in mind.

914
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, country becomes interesting in that juncture. Not to

915
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: take away from anyone else, If I write a song

916
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: not for Morgan, a country song, then I feel like

917
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: it's open. Then I feel like it's like, Okay, there's

918
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: probably ten artists that could sound good doing this right,

919
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: but with him specific I feel like we've done such

920
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: a We've honed in such a sound that no one

921
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: else really was doing that. I don't if I have

922
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: something that sounds like that and he's like, I pass

923
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: on it, I'm not giving that to somebody else, you know.

924
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to create that situation. So I feel

925
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: like when I get with any artists on a project

926
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: like Post, I was like, Okay, we got to figure

927
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: out what feels right for you. But also that when

928
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: when someone listens to the whole album, they don't go, well,

929
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: this could have been and then name and different artists,

930
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: so that could have been their album, Like it has

931
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: to be just that artist project. And so I feel

932
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: like Post already has some you know, things he was

933
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: looking at. He was looking at nineties country. He was

934
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: looking at classic country records. He was, you know, he

935
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: wanted to explore all those things. And I feel like

936
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: we did that and we did a good job of it.

937
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: And then obviously the first single was probably the most

938
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: pop leaning thing you'd hear for the whole album. And

939
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: then it like, as you keep diving deeper into it,

940
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna, you know, keep going more into like the

941
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: roots and more into the older shit.

942
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

943
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

944
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: I feel like, just from and again, we're recording this

945
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: before the record comes out the record's office, So I

946
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: may sound like I'm a time machineist, because I'm not.

947
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: We're not where this is right now.

948
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: But from the songs that I've heard that have been released,

949
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: it does feel like it's walking a little deeper and

950
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: deeper into the more traditional country. Even the Blake song, right,

951
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: that's more country what people would consider traditional. Then, like

952
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: you said, the Morgan post song, which is super catchy,

953
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: Like like you said, it's of all of them.

954
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 3: It's the poppy, it's it's not a pop song.

955
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm already feeling that now with the songs

956
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: that have been Luke Combs. We had the lukecom song

957
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: Sure today, I feel like it's slowly going into that

958
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: and there's more. It gets even more.

959
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it gets. It gets all the way back

960
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: to that you know Texas swing shit. It gets all

961
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: the way back to I don't even know what you

962
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: call it, like, I just call it that fucking those basslines

963
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: and like that kind of stuff. So there's a lot

964
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: of stuff that you can look at that that's gonna

965
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: be like nineties seventies country as far back as like

966
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: fifties country. I feel like, like the Blake one, for example,

967
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: that to me feels like, you know, early two thousands.

968
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like brand new, but it doesn't feel

969
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: like super old either, So that one's kind of like

970
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: walking that line. But yeah, I think people are going

971
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: to be, you know, maybe surprised by some of the

972
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: stuff with kind of how like classic it goes.

973
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: Any songs that you fully produced for this record that

974
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: did not make the record?

975
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: How many did we do that didn't make it?

976
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

977
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: I mean, are there any done, fully done songs I'll

978
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: never see the light of day?

979
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what happens to them? I don't know.

980
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure but I know that I'll never pitch them, like,

981
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna send them to anyone else unless.

982
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: But he tried, he put his vocal on it. You

983
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: guys finished the song, but you decided not to put

984
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: on the record.

985
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: Are there any of those?

986
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: I'll say this, there's one that there's one that we

987
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: wrote because you know, in a day, you usually write

988
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: a couple songs, right, So obviously we did have some

989
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: help with Morgan. But we wrote another song with Morgan

990
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: that felt a little too progressive for the album and

991
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: so probably just Morgan will probably keep that.

992
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: One so it'll live.

993
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

994
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: So no songs fully produced that you love that just

995
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: aren't getting used at all. They just die and no

996
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: one ever hears them.

997
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean after you died, they secretly released.

998
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: It like the ones, right, the ones that aren't gonna

999
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: make it. I feel like we all had reasons for

1000
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: why they shouldn't. You know, they weren't our favorite songs.

1001
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: Maybe you didn't follow through with full production.

1002
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Well some of we did, though it was like we

1003
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: did because you also got to look at the timeline

1004
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: of this was we actually finished the album like maybe

1005
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: like two months ago because we were like, oh, it's

1006
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: eighteen songs, and then we finished it, and then it

1007
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: was like, well, shit, we still got time to do

1008
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: more songs. And now it's like, okay, so now there's

1009
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: the second batch of songs.

1010
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: That you know.

1011
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: I can't tell you the exact track this because we

1012
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: probably gott to decide that this week or next week,

1013
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing twenty six.

1014
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: You know, that's a lot of songs.

1015
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: It's more than I think. When he called me, it

1016
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: might have been I swear the number might have been eight.

1017
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: It might have been like, Yo, let's just do like

1018
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: a thing, you know, and then it just kept going

1019
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: from there.

1020
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: Do you think it would have grown if you guys

1021
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: weren't fully inspired and loving what you were doing.

1022
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1023
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: No, I mean that's what it is, right right.

1024
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he's having a great time. I feel like

1025
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: he's like he's super happy doing this. I mean, I

1026
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: feel like he's just like I can't speak to how

1027
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: he did his last album. I wasn't there, so I

1028
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: don't know like what his energy was like, but I

1029
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: know that he's genuinely having a good time. He's actually

1030
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: like really enjoying the process of coming out here and

1031
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: write songs. In this way and just like also just

1032
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: getting on board with like how different it is. Like

1033
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: I think maybe one of the first trips he was like, man, y'ah,

1034
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: y'all are fast, Like everyone's fast out here. And it's like, yeah,

1035
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: because most of these guys are doing a session for

1036
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: two hours, three hours right the gaining about nine am,

1037
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: doing like a ten to twelve, whereas in LA will

1038
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: kind of go fuck off at the studio for twelve

1039
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: hours and you know, you write a little bit, you

1040
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: have a drink, you tinker around, you know what I mean.

1041
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: So then it's so drawn out here. It's a lot

1042
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: more laser folks with like let's complete this song, let's

1043
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: do another one, or let's go home.

1044
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think.

1045
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: Exactly how you said it, like because the process was good,

1046
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, and we would still do more. It's just

1047
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: like this is I don't I don't make those decisions.

1048
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how labels decide when to do shit. Obviously,

1049
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: if it was pushback further, we just keep making songs.

1050
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: But is this home to now? National?

1051
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 6: Home?

1052
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1053
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 3: I live here, I mean I feel like home.

1054
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, National's good, Like I like

1055
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: it better than La Anyway, I was in LA for

1056
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: like ten years, and I came here primarily to stop

1057
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: paying taxes, but you know, I also had like a

1058
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: great I don't even want to call them client, like

1059
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: a friend here, like in Morgan who I was working with.

1060
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: So I was like in Earnest and you know other

1061
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: people as well. But I'm saying like I had something

1062
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: where I could go okay because people were telling me,

1063
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: They're like, if you leave LA, your your business, it's

1064
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: like a hit, You're gonna make less money. You know,

1065
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: I have opportunities because La. I mean there's so much

1066
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: shit there. I could wake up every day and find

1067
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: something to do. They're like, when you come here, it's

1068
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: not gonna be like that. But I mean it's actually

1069
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: been really good, and people have started to come here

1070
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: to work, so that's been really nice. Like, you know,

1071
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: there was a time when I'd reach out to the

1072
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: artists I was working with and say, yo, come to Nashville.

1073
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: Let's do a thing, and they're like, Noah, you come

1074
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: to LA. So I was like, Okay, cool, I gotta

1075
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: go to LA. But now it's like people actually enjoying

1076
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: being here and having to switch up and so a

1077
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: lot of people are coming here.

1078
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 3: Were they correct?

1079
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: And that you got here at first and it was

1080
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: a little more difficult to find work.

1081
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: Did it take you a minute to kind of get

1082
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: in the group? It pretty quick?

1083
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: No, But I put in I put in like time anyway, right.

1084
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: So I came here in twenty seventeen, actually did a

1085
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: few rights. Came back in twenty eighteen, did some rights.

1086
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: I actually my first trip I came out here was

1087
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: to work with Florida Georgia Line, and I met Morgan

1088
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: the first night I was in. Yeah, before I even

1089
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: did the FGL session, and so I think, yeah, we

1090
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: did it find on me that night, you know.

1091
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: And so.

1092
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: I already had that song like kind of in the

1093
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: pipeline coming out. And then you know, I worked on

1094
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: like I helped Sam Hunt on Downtown's Dead, even though

1095
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: they had already written the song. I just kind of

1096
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: helped do some production stuff. But I had a few

1097
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: things going, and uh, you know, I knew people out here,

1098
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: So I feel like I had come out enough where

1099
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: people were like, yo, the student isn't just trying to

1100
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: get on our shit. And I also try to approach

1101
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: it in the right way. I didn't come in and

1102
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: say like, here's how I produce stuff. This is what

1103
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: we're doing. Because I was like it felt too drastic

1104
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: of a change, and so I feel like we I

1105
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: kind of slow rolled into everything and this is more

1106
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: getting technical. But even if you look at it, find

1107
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: on me I used like weaker eight of eights that

1108
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: I normally use weaker bass, not because I you know,

1109
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: I I felt like we had to like move the

1110
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: production a certain way. I was taking more pop sounds

1111
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: and mixing them with the country sound on that.

1112
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1113
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: I think when we got to Heartless with the Diplo collab,

1114
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: we got to lean in a little more. By the

1115
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: time we got to something like Broadway Girls, it's like

1116
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: you're already in Broadway Girl. I'm saying just from a

1117
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: production standpoint, Like if I would have came here in

1118
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen and just started playing the Broadway Girls, people

1119
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: would have been like.

1120
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: That had been like, that's that's too extreme.

1121
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Yeah, so I feel like we

1122
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: had to with those kind of sounds. We had to

1123
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: go gradual, and but you know, we did a lot

1124
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: of other stuff on the in between as well, like

1125
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: more than my hometown obviously not not taking any leaps

1126
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: from a production standpoint, just a good song.

1127
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: Which are those songs?

1128
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: Because you have so many we were talking about it

1129
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: before you got over here. We have so many, so

1130
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: many songs that people are gonna remember where they were

1131
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 2: at the time of their life when the song became

1132
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: a hit. You have a lot of those in this

1133
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: It's hard for anybody to have one of those. Yeah,

1134
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: you have so many of those songs. You said a

1135
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: couple of them there from Morgan, like, which one of

1136
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: those songs?

1137
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: If it was Pour Me a Drink, or you prove

1138
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: or even.

1139
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: I had some help as you were writing it, or

1140
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: maybe as you were producing it. You're like, man, this

1141
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: is special, not just good because consistently I think you're

1142
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: really great.

1143
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: I think you know that too, or you wouldn't be

1144
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: the successful.

1145
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: But it just felt even more special than what you

1146
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: normally do great.

1147
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean more than my hometown. Was definitely special for

1148
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: me because it was maybe the first, the first song

1149
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: that I was told was going to be a single

1150
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: in country music, and because you know, all prior to that,

1151
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: all my hits have been raped or R and B

1152
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: your pop, and so that one felt special. This bar

1153
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't a single, this bar felt really special.

1154
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: What about as you were writing it, where you're like this,

1155
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: if this isn't a hit, I have no idea what

1156
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm talking like, this is the biggest hit.

1157
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: Mid right that I maybe I've ever written. I don't know.

1158
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really necessarily approach it that way.

1159
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: So a lot of the songs that I had that

1160
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: were hits, I don't know that we fully knew. I

1161
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: remember I was talking to Stargate one time because they

1162
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: were asking me questions about how I knew something was

1163
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: a hit, and I told him I didn't and they

1164
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: were like, oh, you don't even know what you're talking about,

1165
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: Like you don't even know.

1166
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, whatever, but.

1167
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Love Lives with Cleet, didn't know was gonna

1168
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: be that big at all, Falling Trevor Daniel, it actually

1169
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: wasn't big until it popped off on TikTok, So we

1170
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know, like first Gouts Jack Harlow, we

1171
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: were kind of like, well, kind of makes sense, right,

1172
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: But even that I was kind of like, I don't know,

1173
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm not sure. But

1174
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: with the Morgan stuff, it's a little easier to tell. Also,

1175
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: the thing about Morgan, which you know, is if you

1176
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: look at his whole album, his album cuts are good

1177
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: enough to be other people's singles. So that's where it

1178
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: starts getting like a little crazy. So we'll have conversations

1179
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: like before Wasted on You as a single. I remember

1180
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: we had a conversation where we were all like, I

1181
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: think that's the sleeper. I think it's gonna be big,

1182
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: and no one was looking at it originally. When we

1183
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: were looking at the album, we weren't saying, oh, that's

1184
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: the song, but it kind of felt like it could be.

1185
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think.

1186
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: I feel like there's one example I'm not thinking of

1187
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: where like oh, last night obviously, so last night that

1188
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: was the only time I've ever done this because I

1189
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: don't do this. When I called Morgan about that song,

1190
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, I'm gonna send you a song.

1191
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a phone call, text, but

1192
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: what I said was, I'm gonna send you a song

1193
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: and it's a hit song, and I'd love it for

1194
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: you to do it, and if you don't do it,

1195
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: that's fine, but it is gonna be number one. It's

1196
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: gonna be all over the radio like someone's going you

1197
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: felt it about the song, someone's gonna do it, and

1198
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, fortunately for us, he liked the song.

1199
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: So is that the only time you've said that to him?

1200
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it was just like, I don't know, I

1201
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: just had a feeling about that song, and I don't know,

1202
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: it just felt like it would have been a cool

1203
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: song for him, and I was just hoping that he

1204
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: liked it, because you know, I didn't want to do

1205
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: that song with somebody else.

1206
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: I really didn't.

1207
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: The production is interesting too in that again, you didn't

1208
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: there's not seventy four layers yeah, on that song.

1209
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, most of my stuff doesn't have

1210
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: a ton of layers. The most layered shit I'm ever

1211
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna do is gonna be this post album because because

1212
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: how we're leaning into the classic stuff and because how

1213
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm utilizing the band. But when it comes to Morgan,

1214
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: we kind of split up the duty with that shit,

1215
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: where Joey'll do the band stuff and I'll do the

1216
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: programming other shit, I'll do the initial music or whatever.

1217
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like I don't really personally ever hire

1218
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: bands to do anything I'll just play all the instruments,

1219
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: and I can't play live drums for shit, so I

1220
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: always just program. But yeah, for that one, I think

1221
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: we had a little bit of back and forth. Like

1222
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: I did a version and then Joey brought a band

1223
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: in for it, and I think a lot of the

1224
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: band parts didn't make sense, and so we kind of

1225
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: like had to meet in the middle and figure out

1226
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: what made sense. But I say all that to say,

1227
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: when I make a track, most of much just very minimal.

1228
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: It's usually three layers and then drums in the bass.

1229
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: What's fun for you now, let's take music out of

1230
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: the equation. Yeah, because your life is so dominated by music.

1231
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, making music is still fun, So that's a

1232
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: good thing. Like I get to just fuck off and

1233
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: do that, so that's nice. Outside of that, I don't know,

1234
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, what the fuck do I even do? I play?

1235
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: I play like I play some video games here and there,

1236
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: and then uh, you know, uh, I really like UFC,

1237
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: so like you know, obviously when that's on, I'll watch

1238
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: it or try to go to the fights if I can.

1239
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 6: Uh.

1240
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: I like to gamble when I can, if you know,

1241
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: anywhere there's a casino around me. I'm happy they don't

1242
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: have one here.

1243
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: You like table games like sports betting.

1244
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: Mostly like roulette. I'm mostly on roulette.

1245
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: I can the problem with what is it's all listen,

1246
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: you're not meant to win any of it, right, Those

1247
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: things don't build themselves, right, Roulette you're just straight guessing, right, Yeah,

1248
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: Like do you have a strategy?

1249
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for.

1250
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: Sure, because minus just bet on red as many times

1251
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: as possible.

1252
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's not a bad strategy at all.

1253
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, yeah, depend how many greens or

1254
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: our double double trouple green, depends on.

1255
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: What the high roller section.

1256
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you'll have that must be nice.

1257
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah you're a high roller section. I've sen

1258
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: your house, you can go. So that being the case, Yeah,

1259
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: you play up there and yeah, put some insurance, do it?

1260
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: Do a spread on the zero in the two or

1261
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: something like that.

1262
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: You look forward to that to go on to sit

1263
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: at the table.

1264
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love gambling, but yeah, I'm happy I'm not

1265
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: doing it all the time because you know, it could

1266
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: be a problem. But I've historically won, so that's that's

1267
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: where it's interesting.

1268
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 3: You have the biggest win story.

1269
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't know about biggest win I had. Here's a

1270
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: here's a we could do this. I think, I don't

1271
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: think anyone care about this story. You know ACMs when

1272
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: they were in Vegas. We go to ACMs. It was

1273
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: like day one. I think I lost like twenty twenty

1274
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: thousand dollars or just roulette, So twenty thousand dollars down,

1275
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: and then I was just not having any luck. And

1276
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: then you know, and then you got to do the events.

1277
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: You have to go hang out with people and do

1278
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: all that shit, so you can't even really like sit

1279
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: there and focus. And I was getting frustrated because I

1280
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: was like, for me to play well in gambling, I

1281
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: feel like it's like I try to get on the

1282
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: table alone. I try to be by myself because once

1283
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm distracted, I feel like I'm off it. And so

1284
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: I go, yo, I'm gonna go to a different casino

1285
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: that nobody's at and go by myself and just gamble

1286
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: and make my money back, because like I said, I

1287
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: win a good amount. And I say this to say,

1288
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: think about this. If the odds are forty seven percent,

1289
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: what that really means to me is if you made

1290
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: the same exact bet a hundred times, you should only

1291
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: win forty seven times. So to me, unless you're doing

1292
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: sporadic bets and different dollar amounts, you should be close

1293
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: to even. You should be losing, but close to even.

1294
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: So if you're this far down, fate should happen that

1295
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: she should be able to come back up right that

1296
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: which is stupid, that's gambling shit. But anyway, so I

1297
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: finally I go to uh I forgot where I went,

1298
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: fucking Mando A. And I go to the high rollers

1299
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: area and I'm not looking at anybody. I like, just

1300
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: walk to a table, put my money down, and I

1301
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: hear people talking, but I'm not looking at them. And

1302
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: then like I looked it was like Jimmy Allen, Chris Young,

1303
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: someone else. I knew it. Like, I was like, what

1304
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: the fuck?

1305
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 3: Man? I was like, man, I was trying to get

1306
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: away from everybody trying to get away in the same spot.

1307
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all try to get away to the same spot.

1308
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy had to leave. And Chris was like,

1309
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's his father and stepfather, it's

1310
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: one of the two. And he was like, yo, my

1311
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: my dad's first time gambling. I was like, no shit.

1312
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: I was like Okay, I'm just gonna bet on what

1313
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: he bets.

1314
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 6: To do a little beginning luck thing, and uh we

1315
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 6: sat there, me and Chris pretty much bet the samet

1316
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 6: bets and I think we said sat there and made

1317
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 6: like forty thousand dollars in like an hour or something.

1318
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: And it was just like it was a quick comeback.

1319
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: He was like, I was also down and I made

1320
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: some money.

1321
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 3: And I come back feels.

1322
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: There was one where we were like, uh. I was like, man,

1323
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: I think it's black or whatever. I put five thousand down. Uh,

1324
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: he puts down five and I was like, you want

1325
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: to go have a conversation. We just left the table,

1326
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: went talked for a minute, came back. There was ten,

1327
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: two stacks to ten. It was shit like that. It

1328
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: was just like a really you.

1329
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: Know, well you sporadically changed color bets. See, I will

1330
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 2: only stay red if I'm betting colors, I will only

1331
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 2: bet red.

1332
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'll change color. Well yeah, yeah, it just depends.

1333
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: I have this other strategy that's really fucked up. I

1334
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: don't don't think I should say, but it's really fucked

1335
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: I kind of want to tell you. It's so I

1336
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: always play in the high rollers section just for the

1337
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: better odds, right, But sometimes I'll go downstairs because it'

1338
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: usually upstairs thing. But if it's not whatever, I'll go

1339
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: to the regular tables where they have like three zeros,

1340
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: and I'll just watch the table for a while and

1341
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: I'll watch somebody who's like if I see somebody and

1342
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: they keep losing and then they go to the ATM.

1343
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: It's so specific, but I'll wait and if they go

1344
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: to the ATM and they come back, then whatever they

1345
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: bet on, I bet the opposite are at the table

1346
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: and I throw like twenty thirty thousand or whatever I got.

1347
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm like and I'm like, I'm sorry. I always apologize.

1348
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: It always hits at the table, and it's just like yo, man,

1349
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: like you're just losing today and I'm just.

1350
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: And you did nothing to make them lose. You just

1351
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: notice someone losing and thought you might use it to wins.

1352
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: Fucked up.

1353
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: You didn't take anything from that.

1354
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: Again, none of that's real.

1355
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: It's all in our heads, like exactly right.

1356
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: That's the craziest part. That's the last thing I'll say

1357
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: about that is that's how I like struck up like

1358
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: a friendship with DANEA White because I saw him gambling

1359
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: one day. I came I hit Black Too immediately, which

1360
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: I always almost every time hit my first rolls. Black

1361
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: Too hits most of the time. And then he was

1362
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: kind of interested, like how the fuck? I was like,

1363
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: this just always happens. I don't know why. But then

1364
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: he started coming back to watch the gambling and he'd

1365
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you're up, go home, and I keep

1366
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: playing and he'd be like, yo, if you don't go

1367
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: home and I have the skill, drag you out of here.

1368
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like one of us has to leave

1369
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: as a winner today, you know, incrementally different.

1370
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: He's betting millions. Probably I'm betting that it is different.

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00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's good. That's good stuff. All Right, you

1372
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: were not that hard of a nut to crack.

1373
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: I felt like I'm going to call her back after

1374
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: to be like I actually liked him.

1375
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty chill. Yeah.

1376
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: She didn't say one like you.

1377
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: She was like, he's not gonna, isn't talking much, And

1378
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I think I will.

1379
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: I think we talk about degenerously. See, I feel like

1380
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 3: we could have just talked gambling for a whole hour. Okay,

1381
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 3: I could talk game, yeah know, me too.

1382
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: I Yeah, I have I have the I have the need. Yeah,

1383
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: and I've turned that into sports cards. Now it's just

1384
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: gambling because you're spending what is used ut all or

1385
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: to buy a box that are far more than a dollar,

1386
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: hoping that you have a dollar twenty five or dollars

1387
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: fifty or three dollars worth in there when you sell it.

1388
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 3: So it's all it's just gambling.

1389
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: So do you actually collect a lot of shit though,

1390
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: like like because if you're doing that.

1391
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: No, it's not. No, I don't really have No, I'm

1392
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: not a collector. Generally. I love sports, but I love

1393
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: I love gambling. Yeah, and I found a way to

1394
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: combine the two.

1395
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 3: And so that's what it is.

1396
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: If I go to the card shop and I'm buying,

1397
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: it's not really about the cards. It's like stocks and gambling.

1398
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: And if I'm gonna spend a dollar, one are my

1399
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 2: odds of making more than not? But the odds might

1400
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: be like I had I bought a box of it

1401
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. But the box is like three hundred bucks

1402
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: and there's like eight cards in there, And I had

1403
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: like a Kaitlin Clark auto at eight hundred, nine hundred.

1404
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: Bucks that's the same thing as putting. It's a chip

1405
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: on a wheel for sure.

1406
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like yeah, it's almost like a stop.

1407
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's that. It's just so Yeah, we could

1408
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: have done an hour on just that. That's cool.

1409
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, who knew that that was the

1410
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: thing I would be excited about, but.

1411
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: You probably did. It took me a minute to get

1412
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: there with you. I don't know you're gonna ask that.

1413
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was gonna ask that either.

1414
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Usually people ask me what I do outside of that,

1415
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: and I say nothing. So I need to pick up

1416
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: some more like physical activities that would be nice.

1417
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: You play pickleball at all?

1418
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: I played twice. I played. I played with Ashley Gorley

1419
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: and I played with Ben Johnson once and he beat

1420
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: me so bad at it. I was like, that sucks.

1421
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: But he so he faded you.

1422
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: He took the newcomer he was and just whooped you

1423
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: and got the victory.

1424
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: Well he was he was going easy at first, but

1425
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: I could tell, and I don't like that personally, so

1426
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: I was like, man, just play like you would normally play.

1427
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: And then yeah it didn't turn out. Good. Is he good?

1428
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1429
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: Good?

1430
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: I heard he plays with kid Rock like four or

1431
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: five times a week.

1432
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yes, there's a group that play with

1433
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: Bob is the name they go. They constantly, like you

1434
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 2: want to go to Bob's and play, But they play

1435
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: when I'm working, right, Like their jobs allow them to

1436
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: go in the morning time and play. But yeah, there's

1437
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: a real big competitive pickleball group. I'm okay, I'm gonna

1438
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: have a court. I don't know if you saw it

1439
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: when you walked in. We just built it. It just

1440
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: it's probably a few weeks ago.

1441
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: I'm okay.

1442
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I'm probably top fifteen percent. But

1443
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: some of those guys play a lot. They even sit

1444
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: up and play.

1445
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 3: On the road.

1446
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's good though.

1447
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's fun because the floor is

1448
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: pretty high.

1449
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 3: Like you can be okay at pickleball pretty quick.

1450
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can be, oh, because it's you know, it's

1451
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: like big person ping pong, right, you know, it's not tennis.

1452
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm better at that. I'm better at ping pong personally.

1453
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: But aboy, golf, you play golf of those guys ever, Yeah,

1454
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm not very good at golf.

1455
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: I do go sometimes I go with Morgan or you know,

1456
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: Urn or whatever, but I'm not that good. You know,

1457
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: I've just recently figured out how to hit straight.

1458
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 3: You have figured it out. I played forever and I

1459
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 3: don't have it figured out.

1460
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: Well, it's by it's by hitting softs for me, So

1461
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: it kind of sucks because I look weak when everyone's

1462
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: out driving me. But I'm like, at least I know

1463
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not gonna do when I swing hard. It just

1464
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: fucking does that. So I just can't even can't put

1465
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: full power on anything.

1466
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: Well, congrats on the record on all the success. It's

1467
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: it's massive, like you are the guy, and it's just

1468
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: like you said and you mentioned earlier, like you this

1469
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: is freaking yours is your season, like you've been killing

1470
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: it and so really cool to like spend some time

1471
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: with you and talk to you about it and kind

1472
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: of hear what's happening in the weeds a little more.

1473
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 3: Appreciate your time.

1474
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 5: Thanks going over, Thanks thanks for listening to a Bobby

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 5: Cast production.