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Speaker 2: it almost felt like season one they were doing these

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Speaker 3: Hey, Rebels fam, it's your friendly neighborhood moderator Johny Brody,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Potter Rebellion. Now, before we jump into recapping

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Speaker 3: season three of Rebels, we wanted to take a moment

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Speaker 3: Sandula Vanessa Marshall.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, what's up? Welcome?

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Speaker 3: Next up, we have one of Mandler's finest and actually

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Speaker 3: one of the stars of the current number one show

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Speaker 4: Car Thank you. Thanks for the plug. John, Hi everyone,

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Speaker 4: thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, scarpettit just just thought to throw it out there.

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Speaker 3: Great show, by the way, I just finished it today

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Speaker 3: and next up the best Space Aladin in the entire

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Speaker 3: galaxy the voice of Ezra Bridger, Taylor Gray.

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Speaker 5: What's up, guys?

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Speaker 3: And of course this would not be complete without our

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Speaker 3: Oracle of Star Wars knowledge, the fact checker extraordinaire, Sir

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Speaker 3: JC Rifenberg. We are and we are knighting you because

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Speaker 3: you know what, why not? Because it's our show, So

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Speaker 3: why don't we just we might as well night you

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Speaker 3: because of all the knowledge you bring us week in

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Speaker 4: I agree hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Obviously obviously if there's a step above Jedi knight, you know,

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Speaker 6: What I don't you tell me? You are? You are

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Speaker 6: the Oracle, so you tell us what that title is.

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Speaker 2: There is no spoon, is what I remember from the oracle.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a matrix. Now I'm doing your part where

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Speaker 6: Well that's some deep it, right there, isn't it? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Well, everybody, Well before we jump in as always it's

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Speaker 3: checking time. How is everybody, how's everyone's weekend? How's your

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Speaker 4: Good? How are you? John?

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Speaker 6: Good? It was a good weekend.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I watched a really good show on

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Speaker 4: doing their their absolute best, fighting the good fight, but

438
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 4: it's sort of you know, they're more isolated and and

439
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 4: and the season two really gets us to a place

440
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: where the stakes feel higher and it's darker in a

441
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: good way. I think, like it's not sort of quite

442
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: as light and bright, and I don't know, I think

443
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 4: it kind of moves us in this interesting direction and

444
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: it kind of makes the show feel more I don't

445
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: know important, maybe isn't the right word, but sort of

446
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 4: like have a have a gravitas that I don't know

447
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 4: that we had in season one, and especially at the end,

448
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 4: and I mean especially like we don't know where Ahsoka

449
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 4: is and Ezra is, like on the precipice of maybe

450
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 4: you know, following maybe listening to Sam, Sam's extremely or Mall,

451
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 4: I should say, Mall is extremely convincing arguments for the

452
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 4: dark side, and and then like culminating in like Canaan being,

453
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: you know, irreparably damaged and changed forever, and that then

454
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: affecting the rest of us. I don't know, it just

455
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: feels like we're kind of growing into something that is

456
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 4: more special, more emotional, and deeper than we were, you know,

457
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: throughout season one.

458
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree. I also give a shout out to

459
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 7: your two characters. I loved watching Sabine take over more

460
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 7: and handle things as she should, and that was gratifying

461
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 7: for me to see her own her power in a

462
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 7: way that obviously wait till the Dark Saber, you know

463
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 7: it's about to really get nice.

464
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 4: It's going to get great.

465
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 7: But also Taylor, your character, I love watching him interact

466
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 7: with the Pergil and the animals and all the things,

467
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 7: and you know, that's such a it's such a strong

468
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 7: yet gentle way to get things done, which I thought

469
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 7: was really commendable. Also not great to see you with

470
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 7: the holocron looking longingly. That was also quite disturbing. But

471
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 7: but anyway, I just I really felt more so Hara

472
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 7: just kind of oversees all this, but I felt that

473
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 7: your characters really were more fleshed out and and got

474
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 7: to grow and blossom a lot more in this That

475
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 7: was just really satisfying for me as space model.

476
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.

477
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think all of the cares the I feel

478
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 5: like they meet the moment in a really cool way

479
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 5: that they always sort of rise to what is being

480
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: asked or cold of them, or what is needed. I'm

481
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 5: also just so curious. It's kind of to what jac

482
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 5: said earlier, it's so interesting how the jumps in between seasons,

483
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if that ever crossed your guys minds.

484
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 5: It didn't cross mind while we were doing it, as

485
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 5: much as it's becoming apparent to me now, like where

486
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 5: it left off then the season one to where it

487
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 5: picks up the seasons, do you like it really is? And

488
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 5: I think we even said it when we started recording,

489
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 5: like whoa, We're like worre steps down the line now

490
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: And I'm really curious with how season two is left

491
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 5: off were season three picks up, because it is kind

492
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: of at a precipice in a real way of like

493
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 5: that was Vader that we just saw and everything is

494
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 5: sort of like up in the air. I for the life,

495
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 5: I mean can't remember. I know there's some clip that

496
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 5: like of walking a walker off, but then I don't. Like,

497
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 5: I'm very curious where season three picks up, and if

498
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 5: it's the same thing as what Jac was saying, if

499
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 5: it's way further down the line as well.

500
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't think. I mean again, when we

501
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: were doing it, I was just focused on doing it

502
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: and trying to do a good job and trying to,

503
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 4: you know, tell them a story I could tell or

504
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 4: what you know, just be as committed to what we

505
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 4: were what we were doing. So I wasn't thinking like

506
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: big picture or taking a step back, and so no,

507
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 4: I don't think I had consciously thought like yes to

508
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 4: what you just said, which is that we were like,

509
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: oh wow, we're like fully you know, after season one

510
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: and then jumping into season two, we were like, this

511
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: is so much bigger now there's so many more players,

512
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: you know, we're not kind of on our own anymore.

513
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't. I actually don't. As you were talking,

514
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 4: I don't remember how we start season three. I mean

515
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 4: not really.

516
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 5: I remember asking Dave, like I remember, the only specific

517
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 5: question I had was going like, well, what's going to

518
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 5: happen to Canaan now that he's blind? Like, I remember,

519
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 5: how is this going to work? But obviously I mean,

520
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: we know how it does work, and we see glimpses

521
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 5: of it at the end of season two, but we

522
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: start the season with like that is some big new

523
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 5: happening for us to sort of deal with or move

524
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 5: on through.

525
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. I remember thinking, yeah, exactly what you just said,

526
00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 4: not knowing what happens later, that felt like the biggest,

527
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: most unbelievable you know where I no pun intended. I

528
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 4: did not see that coming, and it felt like this

529
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 4: massive sort of schism, and how do we move forward?

530
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 4: Like how how do we even do this?

531
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: And how is Freddie gonna wear a blindfold?

532
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 4: He is so practical, you know, like physically when he's

533
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: got his you know whatever, his pen or his pencil

534
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: or his highlight or whatever in his hand, when he had,

535
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: you know, was doing scenes with a lightsaber and then yeah, no, no,

536
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: no blindfold for seasons three and four. Anyway, I'm excited

537
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: because I remember thinking season three was just everything gets

538
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: even better as far as like storyline, sure, character development, sure, animation, style,

539
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: like like details, music even better somehow that's possible, and

540
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: you know personally just like things that I got to do.

541
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: So I'm really excited about season three.

542
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: Question for Jesse and John because I work biased being

543
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 5: in it, and also I think our faces are all

544
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: too close to it. Like I mean, I think with

545
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: shows we see it all the time. I feel like

546
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 5: and I feel like I've heard that Rebels every season

547
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 5: is better than the last. That's at least I've heard.

548
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: Do you guys see that? Because there shows I love that,

549
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: like if I take a breaking batter certain things, where

550
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: like maybe the best season isn't particularly the last season,

551
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

552
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that because there's a natural

553
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: escalation of the characters emotional arcs, and you follow that

554
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: from season one all the way to four, and even

555
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: though there's these time jumps between seasons, you're somehow able

556
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: to fill in the gap because you've got to know

557
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: these characters so well. And that's why I feel because

558
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: I feel like, at the end of the day, we

559
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 3: invest in people more than we do story. Get If

560
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: you're with the people, then you're going to follow the

561
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: story wherever they go, you know that? So to me, yeah,

562
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: I think that's valid because by the time we get

563
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: to season four and why people keep saying can we

564
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: get of Rebel season five, six and beyond?

565
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 6: Because they've gotten to know these.

566
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: Characters so well, and all the emotional arcs and the

567
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: psychological arcs that we get to identify, especially as we

568
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: get older and get to know more things about psychology,

569
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: whether it's our own or just in general. That's why

570
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: it's like the gift that keeps giving. Because there's stuff

571
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: I saw on Ezra and Kanaan and Sabine and Era

572
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: this season that I didn't see ten years ago because

573
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: I didn't notice it in myself. So I think, for me, yeah,

574
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: that's valid. I consider that canon, but I'll leave that

575
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: in the hands of the Oracle to really give the

576
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: be judged Jary executioner on that sentiment, I.

577
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: Want, I need.

578
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: I can better answer that question at the end of

579
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: this podcast, I think because there were some big leaps,

580
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: particularly like world between Worlds that were asked of very

581
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: old Star Wars fans like me to go along with

582
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: on faith kind of that I don't know if I've

583
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: reconciled quite yet.

584
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: That can wait for that.

585
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm excited to rewatch again because I haven't watched it

586
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: in whenever you know, when did it finish? Eight years ago,

587
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: nine years ago? And I'm I will be interested to

588
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: rewatch like World between Worlds was a really big ask,

589
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: and I know we'll go deep into it when we

590
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: get to season four, but it's or three. I think

591
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: it's three and four. But it's a really big ask

592
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 2: to for a Star Wars fan. That's like time travel,

593
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: and that stuff has never been that's always been a

594
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: Star Trek thing, So it's a big ask. And now

595
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: there's been so much Star Wars since when you guys

596
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: did your show that have required even bigger leaps of

597
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: faith that for me, because I haven't rewatched the show

598
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: since it initially aired, and I've only watched it once.

599
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: So to go back and rewatch that stuff, I'm really

600
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: excited to be like, oh this is this is so

601
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: much easier for me by comparison to like, I mean,

602
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: even Rogue one, which I love, which started subtitling the

603
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: titles and everything of where the planets are and how

604
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: different the music was than John Williams and all of

605
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: this stuff. That's a big ask and I love Rogue one,

606
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: so I'm interested to go back. But to answer your question,

607
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: like very surface level, I think so like it definitely

608
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: like the bad guy thron comes in and gets builds

609
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: and builds and builds, and it also builds into again,

610
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: like John hinted to what we're now seeing an and

611
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: Or and Star Wars episode four and what we watched

612
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: in Kenoby. So it'll be interesting to see what you

613
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: guys are doing again having watched Kenobi and having watched

614
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: and Or, because I think when we rewatch that stuff,

615
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: you're going to be I'm going to be at least like,

616
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, like holy cow, like this like laid

617
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: the blanket and set the stage for the stuff that

618
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: we saw in these other two in these other two.

619
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: Shows.

620
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 7: The question for you season six of the Clone Wars

621
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 7: episodes ten through thirteen, when Yoda goes on his spiritual odyssey, Uh,

622
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 7: how did that strike you? Were you cool with all

623
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 7: that was going on in terms of his everything? He

624
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 7: learned about immortality with the Siths and you know all

625
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: that stuff that happened in the cave.

626
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: Was that asking too much of you? I mean, world

627
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: between World.

628
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 7: Is like mega meg a mega, But I'm just curious

629
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 7: how you reacting to all that afterlife stuff everything, Yes.

630
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: Give a lecture tailor ways, Yeah, no, let's.

631
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 5: Look just kidding.

632
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Like.

633
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 7: I asked that because I had to stay poloney about

634
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 7: that because my brain exploded with all that.

635
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: Mortis in Clone Wars was was the heart.

636
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: When I watched the Mortis episodes of Clone Wars, it

637
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: was the hardest thing got it to watch in Star

638
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: Wars I had up to that point because it was

639
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: very but but in that they kind of end that

640
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: arc with the like, wow, that may have just all

641
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: been a dream, and then there's like the wink wink,

642
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: like the Leprechaun shows up and smiles at the camera

643
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: like was.

644
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: It a dream?

645
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: And I can kind of reconcile that I worked on

646
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: that through the like this is the Force was speaking

647
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: directly to these three characters, and in order to understand

648
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: the will of the Force, it needs to personify things.

649
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: And so while I don't think they were ever physically

650
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: on Mortis, I think that's the way that the Force was.

651
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: Got it talking to them.

652
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: And then I tried to use that same logic with

653
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: World between Worlds, which got me like ninety five percent

654
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: of the way there, that's my it's good time jumps

655
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: and I was like, wait a minute, this is some

656
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: like it almost was like X men, uh not me

657
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: a future past. Yeah, where I'm just like, okay, So

658
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: Wolverine isn't going back in time, but his consciousness is

659
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: going back in time to his other thing.

660
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: And is that what world between worlds is?

661
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: That's okay, just in all fairness with that movie, they

662
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: jacked up that whole storylinecause in the commas, he was

663
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: never Wolverine, it was Kid. It was Kitty who went

664
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: back because she go the Wall. So they did it

665
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: because Hugh Jackman was more popular. So I hear you,

666
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: hear you on that, but just I X Men Cannon,

667
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: they jacked that all up. So but I see what

668
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: you're saying.

669
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 7: Well, the reason I asked is because I accepted everything

670
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 7: in the Clone Wars, and I understand that people's reticence

671
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 7: with Rebels like, well, I don't know about this. I

672
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 7: was curious if you were equally sort of you had

673
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 7: some misgivings about that season.

674
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 4: Six, or if it was difficult to get through. That's

675
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: interesting to hear, okay.

676
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: And to be fair to Star Wars rebels and Stories

677
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: rebels fans. I God, I gonna get in trouble for

678
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: saying this. I couldn't get your Yeah, I couldn't get

679
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: through Clone War season one. The thing that got me

680
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: through Clone War season one was I got tickets to

681
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: see the season three like episodes with the Night Sisters.

682
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: I did screening at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood, and

683
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: I got tickets to see that, and I knew I

684
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: was going to that, and I'm such a completist. I

685
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I've got two weeks to binge, to

686
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: grip my teeth and get through season one and season two.

687
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 2: And I gripped my teeth and I got through season one,

688
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: and then it was like halfway through season two and

689
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: it's the episodes where like Obi Wan and Kit Fisto

690
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: and Anakin are all on Geonosis again and you've got

691
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: this like three stage war happening. And I saw that

692
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: and that was like halfway through season two. I was like, Oh,

693
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm in. And it picked up from there. So, to

694
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: be fair to everybody, Rebels got me at like episode

695
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: nine or ten. Clone Wars took a season and a

696
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: half for me to be like, oh, I see what

697
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 2: they're doing here, because I had went to the theater

698
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: and I saw the Clone Wars movie and I was like, Oh,

699
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm done, I'm good.

700
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 6: Tell us how you really feel so, but I cancel.

701
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 5: The Clone Wars movie.

702
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: Oh no, not the movie. Have you seen the Clone

703
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: Wars because.

704
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: I have the whole thing.

705
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 6: Again like it.

706
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm the biggest Clone Wars in the world exactly.

707
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: Yes, So you can say you can talk about your journey.

708
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 4: Oh okay, talking about your initial reaction.

709
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got in it.

710
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: Rebels took less time to get me into it than

711
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: Clone Wars did, is basically what I'm saying.

712
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: I have to hear you.

713
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: But I was also like, when they're like, we're bringing

714
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: it back for season seven, I was like yes, And

715
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what about Rebels?

716
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 7: Right?

717
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, we're still saying that. We're still saying that now. Okay.

718
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 3: So Jac, I know you got a lot of good

719
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: stuff for us. So Jac and I kind of colluded

720
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, like, hey, you know, what would be

721
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: cool if you could touch on X y Z when

722
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: we do our little season two reflection Before we do that,

723
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all have a glass or a bottle,

724
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: like I want to raise one up and maybe pour

725
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: one out in memory of Lucille as res Lightsaber, because

726
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: as we recall and Twilight the Apprentice part two, it

727
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: gets destroyed by Darth Vader. The Blaster Saber is unfortunately

728
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: no more, which means in season three there's going to

729
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: be a new Azra Lightsaber. But to me, it's always

730
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: about Lucille, so I wouldn't have raised one up for Lucille.

731
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: Alright, Lucille, So.

732
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: This is to you, Lucille. All right, So Jacey, you've

733
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: got some great stuff for us. I would love for

734
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: you to take it away here. I can't wait to

735
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: hear you have to say, and I'm excited to see

736
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: everyone's reactions information about to share.

737
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: This is the episode where JC talks way too much,

738
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: so I apologize everybody.

739
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 6: You know how many times you've said that, and it's

740
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 6: never been true.

741
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: To talk more for me?

742
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: Okay, So John and I talked about we Are and

743
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: Or and Rebels criss cross quite a bit, and Or

744
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: coming out much later than Rebels, so okay, So looking

745
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: at it, I looked up the Rotten Tomatoes scores because

746
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: I'm always like, oh, Rebels the number one Star Wars thing.

747
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: For some reason, Star Wars Tales of the Underworld got

748
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: one hundred Rotten tomatoes.

749
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: What is that nice short?

750
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. It is a sage. It's like.

751
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: Short kind of like two to three episode arcs of

752
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: like they did like Tales of the Jedi, Tales of

753
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: the Underworld, Tales of the Empire. So they're like animated

754
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 2: like almost like one.

755
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: Off kind of Yeah.

756
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean they're full.

757
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: Length, like twenty minute episodes, but it's like just delving,

758
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: Like Tales of the Jedi was my favorite, and it

759
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: dealt with like Dooku training Qui goun Jin like back

760
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: in the day, which was really cool.

761
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: Or like.

762
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: One of the.

763
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: Seasons was like them finding like Ahsoka is a baby

764
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: or whatever. Right, So that got one hundred percent. Star

765
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Wars Visions, which is non Cannon is ninety eight percent,

766
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: which is tied with Star Wars Rebels at ninety eight percent.

767
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 5: On Star Wars Visions. Right now, did you a couple

768
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: of people might have seen it changed them.

769
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: I literally just looked at it.

770
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm crazy.

771
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: They went over to Scarpettit guys.

772
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 6: Sorry, I like that.

773
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: But and then and Or is ninety six So Rebels

774
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: and Or are still kind of like in terms of

775
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: a long running show that's like more than just like

776
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: bite size kind of the kind of the things to

777
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: be it was kind of cool that they're they're the best,

778
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: and then they tie into each other so much. So

779
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: here is my dissertation on, uh, how Rebels and and

780
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: Or feed into and cross paths with each other and

781
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 2: if you want to do the watch it in chronological order,

782
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: how to do that and why Wookipedia's order is incorrect.

783
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm getting I'm I'm gonna get canceled after this.

784
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 5: Let's go.

785
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: Let's go, all right.

786
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: So everything in Star Wars uses the Battle of y

787
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: Avin as the zero point, So there's before Battle of

788
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: Yavin and after Battle of the aven which is bby

789
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: or a b y okay, So Rebels starts at the

790
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: same time and Or does relative to the Battle of y Avon,

791
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: which is five years before the Battle of the Avon,

792
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: which we know in and Or because they subtitle it

793
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: at the beginning with five bby.

794
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 5: That's what that means.

795
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

796
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: And then there are a handful of carecharacters in Rebels

797
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: and and Or that kind of give you reference points

798
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 2: to how you can line these shows up. Those are Sagerera,

799
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Baale Organa, and then in Rebel, which is season one

800
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: and two of Rebels, and then Man Mathma starting in

801
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: season three and beyond, my Mama picks up it like

802
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: two years before Battle of the Oven.

803
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: So and Or.

804
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: Season one is the starting point of five bby and

805
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: the entirety of and Or season one takes place over

806
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: the course of around two months, and you can figure

807
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: this out through through dialogue in the show that references

808
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: other things. Star Wars Rebels season one starts after the

809
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: last season of episode one of and Or. So if

810
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: you're watching chronological order, you would watch season one of

811
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: and Or, and then you would pick up with season one,

812
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: episode one of Star Wars Rebels, and that includes the

813
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: little shorts that you guys did that aren't technically part

814
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: of season one. All that stuff happens after and Or.

815
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: But you would start at the beginning of watch and

816
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: Or watch Rebels Rebel season sorry, you would watch Rebel

817
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: season one episodes one through seven. Now, starting with episode eight,

818
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: you cross into four years before the Battle of Yavin,

819
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: which you would watch season one episode eight through season

820
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: two episode three of Star Wars Rebels, and a little

821
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: bit later I will take you through what those episodes

822
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: are and why it makes sense and ties together. After

823
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: season two, episode three of Star Wars Rebels comes and

824
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: Or season two episodes one, two, and three. And this

825
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: is where the controversy begins, because if you look at

826
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: the timeline on wookie Pedia, it places and Or season

827
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: two at the very end of four years before the

828
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 2: Battle of Yavin. But we know that can't be true

829
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: because there's dialogue between the Isb and Dedra, which if

830
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: you haven't seen and Or, you have no idea what

831
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. That reference that it's been like a

832
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: year and a half since the last season of and Or,

833
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Or like towards the end of the year, like it's

834
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: been a long year, and that would place it after

835
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: the beginning of season two of Rebels. I everybody's probably lost.

836
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: I've probably lost everybody. But the important thing to know

837
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: is that Wikipedia is probably not correct and they're viewing orders,

838
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: so do what I say. Anyway, So, timeline wise, Reel

839
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: season one episode eight until season two episode nine, So

840
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: you would watch I'm confusing myself, you would. I'm gonna

841
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: skip ahead. I'm gonna give you this simple chronology. You

842
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 2: watch and Or season one, then you watch Rebel season one,

843
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: then you watch Rebel season two episodes one to three,

844
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: then you watch and Or season two episodes one, two,

845
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: and three. Then you watch Rebel season two episodes four

846
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: through ten. Then you watch and Or season two episodes

847
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: four through six. Then you would watch Rebels season two

848
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: episode eleven through the end of the season.

849
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 5: I don't think I feel like this is really good,

850
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: this is really good information, but we could we could

851
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 5: post it on our on our social chart.

852
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a chart, because I think so.

853
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: One of the cool parts that happens between these two

854
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: shows is that in season two, episode five of and Or,

855
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: they allude to Empire Day, so they talk about the

856
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: celebrations and some of the parties that are happening, and

857
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: the characters in and Or are referencing what's happening there. Now,

858
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: what makes that cool is we know Ezra's birthday is

859
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: Empire Day, and we all I also know that Lea

860
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: in Luke's birthdays are right around Empire Day. They're very similar,

861
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: which is something we discussed on one of the episodes

862
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: of this podcast before. There's also a novel out there

863
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: from Claudia Gray called Lea, Princess of Alderan. That book

864
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: takes place on her sixteenth birthday, so that would be

865
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: about three years before the Battle of Yavin, which would

866
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: be during and Or season two as well as during

867
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: Rebel season two. So if you look at the timeline

868
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: that book, if you want to get really into this

869
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: period of time, takes place between Star Wars Rebels season

870
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: two episodes ten and eleven, and then Lea shows up

871
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: in Rebel's episode twelve, So all of it like these

872
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: they've picked these points in the canon that everything kind

873
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: of can spread out from that are kind of like

874
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: anchor points. All right, So I'm going to try to

875
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: get through this quick. So I'm going to take you

876
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: through that order to give people like in their head

877
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: an opportunity to place these events that are happening in

878
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: the galaxy far far away in chronological order. So we

879
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: start with and Or season one, where Cassian returns to

880
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: Pherix to visit his mom's. We watch all of season one.

881
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: It ends with and Or season one episode twelve, where

882
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: Cassian returns to Pherix for his mother's funeral. There's a

883
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: massive public gathering that becomes a flashpoint between the Empire

884
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: and the townspeople Marv's his mom has recorded a message

885
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: that inspires open defiance, sparking a riot that disrupts the

886
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: imperial presence, and amid the chaos, Cassian rescues his friend

887
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: Bix and offers himself to Luthen and commits fully to

888
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: joining the rebellion. So that's the end of an door

889
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: season one, which then feeds directly into Ezra, who's on

890
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: the Imperial controlled world of Lothol. He's stealing supplies we've

891
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 2: talked about space Aladdin, who crosses paths with the crew

892
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: of the ghost Ship and Canaan pulls Ezra into their

893
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: mission to disrupt the Empire's operations on the planet. And

894
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: Ezra then decides to kind of join up with the

895
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: ghost grew. So you're watching in season one, Episode one

896
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: is called Spark of Rebellion, right, Yeah, Well you've watched

897
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: a Spark of rebellion at the end of and Or

898
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: on Pharyx, and then you watch it on Lothal. So

899
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: those things line up in terms of instigating flashpoints fighting

900
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: back against the Empire right after one another. So then

901
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: we watch all of season one.

902
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 7: Yes, question obi wan kenobi. We see Leah as a

903
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 7: little girl. Where the heck is that in this timeline

904
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 7: way before this I'm sorry, I mean my brain is

905
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 7: For some reason, I felt like it was closer to this,

906
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 7: but it can't be if she's sixteen, yes, it's her sixteenth.

907
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: It would have had to be she's like five, I

908
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: think in it. Yes, so it would have been twelve

909
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: or thirteen years before the Battle of Yavn, because she's

910
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 2: supposed to be eighteen eighteen in in a New Hope.

911
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 4: All right, I'm with you, go ahead, all.

912
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: Right, So now we watch all season one of Rebels.

913
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: We know what happened. We've just spent the last year

914
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: talking about Season one of Rebels. In season two, we

915
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: watched season two of Rebels up until the Lost Commanders,

916
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: which we talked about, which is where Rex comes back

917
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: and they interact with him. So the crew of the

918
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 2: Ghost meets the aging Clone Wars veterans led by Captain

919
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: on this desert world. They're suspicious of the Clones. Canaan

920
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: doesn't like Rex because he's a Clone, and Ezra tries

921
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: to unite them when the Imperial forces attacked, the Clones

922
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: prove their loyalty and help the Rebels escape, starting that alliance.

923
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: Then right after that we watch and Or season two

924
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: episodes one through three, which it's a full year since

925
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: the end of and Or season one, so we rebels

926
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: fills in that time really well, which is cool. It's

927
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 2: a year after the Feris thing.

928
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 6: Cassi.

929
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: We start the season Cassiinge steals an Imperial tie Fighter prototype,

930
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: but he gets stranded among different rebel fight like factions

931
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: on Yavin Uh trying to deliver that starfighter to the Rebellion,

932
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: which I think is a tie advance prototype, which is

933
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: what ended what Darth Vader ends.

934
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: Up flying in a new Hope.

935
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: And then on course my Moths struggling with the political

936
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: and personal cost of secretly funding the Rebellion, and then

937
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: we have that awesome episode where we go to her

938
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: daughter's wedding and she's like just gets wasted because she

939
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: can't handle it anymore. Cassian learns his friends are in

940
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: danger during the Imperial crackdown on undocumented workers on their

941
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: wheat harvesting planet case. Cassian races back to rescue them

942
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: as violence erupts, showing how the Empire is cracking down

943
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: and people are fighting back in these conflicts across the galaxy.

944
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: And then the end of episode three of and Or

945
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: ends with tragedy and sacrifice, reinforcing that the fight against

946
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: the Empire demands painful and moral choices and personal loss,

947
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: which is the that we've spent a lot of time

948
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: at talking about the end of Star Wars or Rebels season.

949
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: Two, which.

950
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: We go into episodes four through ten of Rebels, which

951
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: is episode four, so we go straight from that to

952
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: episode four, which is Relics of the Old Republic, where

953
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: the Ghost Crew returns to a desert world to evacuate

954
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: the Clone veterans Rex Wolf and Gregor before the Empire

955
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: arrives callous attacks with at Walkers, forcing the Clones and

956
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 2: Rebels into a desperate ground battle, and then using tactics

957
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: and teamwork, the Clones help the Rebels escape, solidifying their

958
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: reliant alliance against the Empire, so again building this alliance,

959
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: which we then watched straight through till episode ten, which

960
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: is the Future of the Force, where Ahsogatano learns the

961
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: Empire's kidnapping for sensitive children, Canaan and Ezra go.

962
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: To rescue them.

963
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: We meet the Inquisitors led by the Fifth Brother and

964
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: Seventh Sister, who try to capture the children, and Canaan

965
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: and Ezra managed to free the children and prevent the

966
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: Empire from exploiting them, which then ties into we jump

967
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: to three years before the Battle of Yevn, where and

968
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: Or becomes deeply embedded in the rebel intelligence work. Luthen

969
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 2: expands his covert operations against the Empire. Political pressure mounts

970
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: for man Mathma. She struggles to maintain her public Senate

971
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: role while secretly growing the rebellion. This is also where

972
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: bail Organas starts to show up in both shows, which

973
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: is really cool. Where Luthan and man Mathma and all

974
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 2: of these people are building their own rebel network cells.

975
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: This is why bail Organas starts showing up in your show,

976
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: because you are part of his network of rebel cells.

977
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: The Imperial forces tighten their grip across several systemses, delating

978
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: surveillance and repression in response to rebel attacks happening all

979
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: over the galaxy. Again, something that we've talked about a lot.

980
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: As the Ghost Crew runs their missions is impacting what's

981
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: happening in and Or.

982
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: The Empires getting.

983
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: Fed up of, you know, being made a fool by

984
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: all of these victories that the rebel cells are having.

985
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: Cassian and his allies carry out dangerous missions that reveal

986
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: how fragmented the rebel groups, but they're slowly starting to

987
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: coordinate with each other, which again we see here as

988
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: like the Ghost crew finally commits to joining up with

989
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: with the Rebellion, and you see that tension amongst Canaan

990
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: and Hera in one of the episodes. And then there's

991
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: more personal sacrifice in and Or as he becomes a

992
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: committed operative and gets closer and closer to what we

993
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: end up where we end up going with their characters.

994
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: You're seeing the same thing in Rebels as we then

995
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: pick up with episode eleven through the end of season two,

996
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: where we obviously know what happens at the end of Rebels,

997
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: great personal sacrifice by Canaan. Ezra has to do a

998
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: lot of growing up very quickly as he is being

999
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: lured by Mal and the dark Side and everything we've

1000
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: talked about in the last.

1001
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: Couple episodes of this show.

1002
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: So all of season three of Rebels happens than two

1003
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: years before the Battle of Yavin, and and Or season

1004
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: two episodes seven, eight, and nine also happened at that

1005
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: exact same time. So this is the the point at

1006
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: the end of season two where and Or episode seven

1007
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: lines up pretty much directly with what you guys are

1008
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: doing at the beginning of season three, but that discussion

1009
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: is for next season of part of Rebellion as well.

1010
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if that made any sense.

1011
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: It's really disjointed and like how it bounces back and forth,

1012
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: but as we get even more further into it, like

1013
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: the crossover, stuff gets crazy. Like in and Or, man

1014
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: Mafma gives a Senate speech and Or has her escape

1015
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: from the Senate and ends up she ends up needing

1016
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: the the y Wing escort to Yavin four, which is

1017
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: what happens in Rebels. So they are having discussions about,

1018
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: like Cassian gets upset that he doesn't get to bring

1019
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: mon Moth, that they don't get to bring man Mathma

1020
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: to Gavin four in those episodes. But it's like what

1021
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: you guys are doing in Rebels that they're like, oh,

1022
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: this is optics, we need to be with them. It

1023
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: gets It's so wonderful and it's so nice that even

1024
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: though like and Or was not the same creative team,

1025
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: that it wasn't a filony thing. It was done by

1026
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: gil Roy and a whole different team that that the

1027
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: fidelity and faithfulness to what you guys built is so

1028
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: there's like direct lines throughout the entire thing. Maybe we

1029
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: can make that makes sense in a flow charts visual learner.

1030
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: So if I can see it, it'll be easier for me.

1031
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: You haven't seen and Or yet, right, I have.

1032
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 4: Seen the first episode of and Or, and I fully

1033
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 4: intend to watch the rest of them. I just haven't yet,

1034
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 4: which is on me. That's my part.

1035
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely no reason whatsoever.

1036
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 4: I do it the way you're saying, no, no, no.

1037
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: I think you would really enjoy watching and Or because

1038
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: it has nothing. It's a great escape from current events.

1039
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 2: Wink wink, no, non, I see.

1040
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I've seen some scenes from Ander which I like

1041
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 4: to go into something like knowing as little about it

1042
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 4: as possible. I don't like spoilers. I don't want to know.

1043
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't want to know anything about

1044
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 4: a movie or a show before I watch it, particularly

1045
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 4: a film. But I think I even posted one of

1046
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 4: those scenes to my own social media because it felt

1047
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 4: so prescient and applicable to you know, goings on in

1048
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: the world right now. But yeah, I am. It's it's

1049
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 4: absolutely unacceptable that I haven't finished the show yet, so

1050
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 4: I need to I need to do that.

1051
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,479
Speaker 5: I will report back.

1052
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 4: To my finding.

1053
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's something we can do together at some point,

1054
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 3: you know, I never know.

1055
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 7: I think I think first order of business is finished

1056
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 7: Scarpetta though if I.

1057
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, speaking of Scarpetta, we should finish that show.

1058
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 4: Don't believe that yet? No, No, I'm going to get

1059
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 4: back up to this evening. Okay, I finish show.

1060
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1061
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question of you guys about really

1062
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 2: season two, but it would apply to season one as well.

1063
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: Were you guys ever directed that it was a kid's

1064
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: show or a show for kids? Or was it always

1065
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: treated as if it is a show for everybody, especially

1066
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: the ladder?

1067
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 7: I think, Uh, I don't know. I mean the remember, well,

1068
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 7: the whole Canaan Harrah romance thing. I I do remember

1069
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 7: we're saying like, well, let's steer away from that, this

1070
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 7: is for children.

1071
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1072
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 7: Maybe I was the only person who received that feedback.

1073
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 4: To stay on the PG side of things.

1074
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 7: I mean, not that Freddy and I were like hot,

1075
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 7: you know, I felt like we barely connected at all.

1076
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: I mean, and I had a baby, you know.

1077
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 2: But did it shift right? Did the direction on that

1078
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: shift as the show went along, because again, very clearly, look,

1079
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: especially towards the end of season two, even if it

1080
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: was just visually. You see.

1081
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I loved that.

1082
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 7: And I've said this before that Dave Filoni said, we okay,

1083
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 7: we won't you know, spoiler alert, Canaan makes the ultimate sacrifice.

1084
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Speaker 7: That didn't happen as a season finale. It happened in

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01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 7: the middle. We'll get there. We're not there yet, but

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Speaker 7: I'm saying that. It's just interesting to me that I

1087
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 7: remember being told, hey, focus, don't don't get into the

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 7: relateationship thing. Steer away from that if anyone asks you

1089
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 7: in interviews about their romance, because that's not appropriate for Disney,

1090
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, like that, let's just keep

1091
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 7: it light and polite there, whereas it is cool and

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01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 7: perfectly fine for us to heal together through a tragedy.

1093
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 7: So I thought was interesting that they wanted us to

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01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 7: as a group as a cast, to heal through losing

1095
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 7: Freddy or Canaan, and that they specifically wanted to show

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01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 7: how we can get through anything together. I thought that

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01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 7: was interesting because to me, that's pretty adult. And I

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01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 7: don't know if you guys never heard that. Maybe I

1099
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 7: just was more sensitive to wanting to cater to anything

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 7: that they asked of me. But I just remember because

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01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 7: a lot of people were gunning or shipping hair and canaan,

1102
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 7: and they were just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's not

1103
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 7: They didn't suppress me in any way, not like that,

1104
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 7: but that it was more about the rebellion and that

1105
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 7: Haro was more focused on the tasks at hand than romance,

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01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 7: you know.

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01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 4: But I don't know if that was about that it's

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01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 4: a kid's cartoon.

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01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 5: Or I always sort of pictured like as they aged up,

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01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 5: it aged with them, you know, like you know what

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01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 5: I mean, like as the characters aged up, the show

1112
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 5: aged up sort of okay, as it followed through their lens,

1113
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like with that, that was

1114
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 5: my cerpretation because I don't remember any direction specifically that

1115
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 5: was don't do this or do this.

1116
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 7: But I also, I mean, look, I was in Spectacular

1117
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 7: Spider Man and there were so many adult references in that,

1118
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 7: and it was a kid's cartoon. But all the nerds,

1119
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 7: like myself, you know, we were all like it was

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01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 7: very very adult, but we but they didn't need to

1121
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 7: tell us it was for children. But it's just it's

1122
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 7: interesting how you can sort of get away with things like, yes,

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01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 7: ostensibly it is a cartoon for kids, but it deals

1124
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 7: with some very adult issues young Justice, also PTSD and

1125
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 7: identity and all sorts of.

1126
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 4: Intense topics that aren't generally like you.

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01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 6: Know, associated with kids stuff.

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01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: I just think it's cool, Dahl you wey well, they're

1129
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 3: very adult theme but also geared towards like the children's demographic.

1130
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 3: It's always interesting where the parameters are set and all

1131
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: that stuff.

1132
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: Man, I just think it's cool that the show doesn't

1133
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 2: talk down to kids like it allows kids to if

1134
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: they are old. It either goes over their head because

1135
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 2: lightsabers yay, or piques their interests and allows them to

1136
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: ask questions of their friends and or parents, which starts

1137
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: a discussion about things, which helps think like kids figure

1138
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: it out, like prepares kids better then, you know, like

1139
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: again Canaan losing his vision, you know, I mean, that's

1140
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 2: that's intense, Like if you're six or seven watching that,

1141
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: and then I think about the way they talk about

1142
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: it yet six seven, if you guys think about the

1143
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 2: way that you guys discuss that as adults, if you're

1144
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: a kid, like you have to almost think that's got

1145
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 2: to be like the Darth Vader moment in Empire strikes back.

1146
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: If this is the first Star Wars. Well, he's not

1147
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 1: really blind, right Mom? You know Dad, why would he's

1148
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: not really blind? How is he going to see? How

1149
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: is he going to fly the phantom? How is he

1150
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna you know?

1151
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:45,959
Speaker 6: Which?

1152
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: Then you're like, well, we'll have to wait and see,

1153
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: and you get to have those discussions about getting through

1154
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 2: stuff everything. Vanessa, you just said it's it's kind of cool.

1155
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I'm now remembering. No one ever said like

1156
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 7: keep this safe for children. Those words were never set,

1157
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 7: you know. But they did say to try and steer

1158
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 7: more toward the rebellion than toward the relationship with Kanaan,

1159
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 7: for whatever that's worth. I do know, and I'm just

1160
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 7: remembering this. For Mary Jane, they kept saying to me

1161
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 7: ten appropriate sexy for Mary Jane, and ten appropriate sexy.

1162
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 7: I was like, got it. So I think actually that

1163
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 7: one was more aware of the kid's part, now that

1164
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 7: I think about it.

1165
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: But interesting, Thank you really God, I was gonna say,

1166
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: I know, we've gone really long.

1167
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm just really curious about this.

1168
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: And I know so many people who listen to this

1169
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: are interested in acting and voice acting, and I think

1170
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 2: this could apply to like Tia on camera, Taylor on

1171
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: camera stuff. When you guys, do you guys sign an

1172
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: MCU like contract like Chris Hemsworth had to like to

1173
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: become thor had to sign for seven movies or whatever

1174
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: it was, Right, do you guys sign a contract for

1175
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 2: a certain number of seasons a certain number of episodes?

1176
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: Like is it is it by season? Is it by episode?

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01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: It's years or is it years?

1178
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 5: It used to be? I mean when I sign the

1179
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 5: Nickelodeon show, that's the worst, and because of your child,

1180
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 5: it is seven years. And it also signing a because

1181
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 5: I remember the five year one for like CBS NBC,

1182
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 5: like when you're testing even before you booked it, like

1183
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 5: the last couple you signed your contract. But for Nickelodeon

1184
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 5: that was so thorough. We had to sign a record

1185
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 5: deal with them. We had to sign everything so that

1186
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 5: they could own anything that you did. Wow, Like I

1187
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 5: used to joke like, yeah, I got a record deal.

1188
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 5: Never put it there.

1189
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 4: Yeah. But for for to be a series regular on

1190
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 4: a let's just say network, let's just say old school

1191
01:09:53,800 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 4: like network show, you know during pilot season, remember that, Yeah, yeah,

1192
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 4: you would go you know if you were you were

1193
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 4: one of four people testing for that role, and you

1194
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 4: would go and it was it was the most intense

1195
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 4: process you would you know, it gets sold down, whittled down.

1196
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 4: You do producer sessions, you meet with the director, et cetera,

1197
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 4: et cetera, and then finally they say like, okay, We're

1198
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 4: going to test four girls for this role and I'd

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01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 4: be one of them. You go in. There's two tests

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 4: in a day. This is before like when you would

1201
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,839
Speaker 4: actually go to the studio physically go to this pre COVID.

1202
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 4: You go to the studio, you'd have your studio test

1203
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 4: in the morning, and before you ever get in front

1204
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 4: of anyone at those tests, you would sign your life away.

1205
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 4: You would sign this paperwork and it would have seven

1206
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 4: years and it would say exactly how much you'd be

1207
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 4: making per episode. And this is when you know, like

1208
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 4: when I first tested for a pilot, I like had

1209
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 4: no money and I just wanted to be on a

1210
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 4: TV show. And you look at that number and you go,

1211
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 4: oh my god, what I do right now is going

1212
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 4: to sorry, my dog is asking to go out hold on?

1213
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 7: You know.

1214
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 4: You you look at that number and that's her episode,

1215
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 4: you know, dollar amount, and then it's like seven years

1216
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 4: of and and and then you're like, okay, so what

1217
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 4: I do in the next twenty minutes is going to determine.

1218
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 4: It's like it's like life changing, right, could be life changing.

1219
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 4: It's so nerve wracking. And then you go in front

1220
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,440
Speaker 4: of twenty execs or fifteen.

1221
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 5: Execs eating boards who.

1222
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 4: Are snacking on yeah, and.

1223
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 5: You do it.

1224
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 4: You go to your car, you wait to see you're

1225
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 4: moving forward to the afternoon test, which is for the

1226
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 4: for the network, and you know you're waiting or you

1227
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 4: go somewhere to like, you know, bide your time, and

1228
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 4: then you get a call from your you know, agent

1229
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 4: or your manager saying like, okay, you made it to

1230
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 4: the next round. And then you go back to the

1231
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 4: next you know, to the studio and then it's a

1232
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 4: whole new twenty network execs, not studio execs. And then

1233
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 4: you do the same thing. And then you wait and

1234
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 4: wait and wait and hope to get that call. It

1235
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 4: is absolutely.

1236
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 5: And mind you, all the other people who are reading

1237
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 5: with you are right next to you, like you're in

1238
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 5: the all signing seventy pages. And then you kind of

1239
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 5: go like at that point, you kind of give up.

1240
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 5: You're like good luck, like you, you know, and.

1241
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 4: You're also like, what's the number on there?

1242
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 5: Because everyone has the number that's been literally uh.

1243
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 4: Negotiated by it for a week before you So you're like, Okay,

1244
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 4: I know that girl, she has a lot of you know,

1245
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 4: she's got a lot of experience. She was on that

1246
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 4: show last year. What's her numbers? Say over there?

1247
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

1248
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 4: It's just, oh, it's so brutal. It doesn't really work

1249
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 4: like that anymore. Taylor Room was left.

1250
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 5: Also not seven it's not there wasn't tests since but

1251
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 5: still not. Yeah, it's not it's.

1252
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 4: Not like that anymore.

1253
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 5: And also and also you know, if to a third

1254
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 5: season you renegotiate Yeah.

1255
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, those seven year deals, those are just to protect

1256
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 4: the studio and the network so that you know, you

1257
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 4: don't get to your show becomes an absolutely hit and

1258
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 4: after season one you're like, okay, now pay me a

1259
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 4: million dollars per episode. It's to protect them.

1260
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, we should. We could do a whole other bonus.

1261
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 3: I've only gone through that process once, but I won't

1262
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 3: say the show now we can talk about it off Mike,

1263
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 3: But I feel all that, especially when you're in that

1264
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 3: hallway and it's in my case, was people that didn't

1265
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 3: look like me. Usually it's people that are like your type.

1266
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh oh, never for.

1267
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 4: Me, it was always for all it was me and

1268
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 4: three other girls that looked nothing like me or you know, it.

1269
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 5: Was never it was always my clones.

1270
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, it was multiplicity in the hallway. No for me,

1271
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 3: I was like I was the only like Asian dude.

1272
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 3: There was like, oh, this guy would be really good,

1273
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 3: really really bad. And it was a letter. But it

1274
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 3: wasn't just that either. But that's a whole other thing.

1275
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 3: I think thanks for bringing that up, jac because that's

1276
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: really some of the uncovered information. I think people know

1277
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 3: that exists, but very seldom do people actually put the

1278
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 3: information out there. And I feel like we can to

1279
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 3: be continued because I can feel your dogs aunts.

1280
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 6: Uh sorry, no, I'm so no.

1281
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: You know me, I'm the biggest dog loverer and I'm

1282
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 3: so empathetic towards that stuff. But look, everybody, I hope

1283
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 3: you had fun recapping this, And basically I appreciate you

1284
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 3: like placing where and or is. I think that's going

1285
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 3: to enrich people's and or and also rebels experience. We

1286
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 3: are gonna be back next week.

1287
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 6: Everybody.

1288
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 3: We are not recapping the episode though, because we're gonna

1289
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: be answering some of your questions and you still have

1290
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 3: time this week to get them in by the end

1291
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 3: of the week, and then maybe you're gonna hear your

1292
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 3: name and your question on the show, and we look

1293
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 3: forward to it because every time we do this, there's

1294
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 3: always some really fun questions and it's always fun to

1295
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Speaker 3: Harry y'all's answers. But until then, Tayther, why don't you

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Speaker 3: get us out of here.

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Speaker 7: Here?

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Speaker 1: The music.

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Speaker 3: Potter Rebellion is produced and partnership with iHeart Podcasts producer,

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Speaker 3: hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John

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Speaker 3: Ley Brody executive producer and in house star wars guru

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Speaker 3: slash backchecker j c Riefenberg. Our music was composed by

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Speaker 3: Mikey Flash. Our cover art was created by Neil Fraser

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Speaker 3: of Neil Fraser Designs. Special thanks to the Holly fran Aaron

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Speaker 3: Kaufman over at iHeart, Evan kraskoor At, Willie Morris, Endeavor,

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Speaker 3: Tresa Canobio, George Lucas for creating this universe we love

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Speaker 3: so much, and of course all of our amazing listeners.

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Speaker 3: Follow us on Instagram at Potter Rebellion and email list

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Speaker 3: at Potter Rebellion Podcasts at gmail dot com