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Speaker 1: news that we wanted to bring it to all of you.

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Speaker 1: You got to hand it to Donald Trump. He does

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Speaker 1: still have it in some ways. And when the way

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Speaker 1: he was talking about Nicky Haley a primary possible contender.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. Trump on

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley. Every time she criticizes me, she uncriticizes me

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Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes later. Of course, he's most likely referring

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Speaker 1: to that extraordinarily cringe profile that she participated in with Politico,

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Speaker 1: in which she denounced Trump on January sixth, saying, and

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Speaker 1: I tell you I'm angry. It's an understatement. But then

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Speaker 1: she continually goes out of her way to praise him,

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Speaker 1: call him be like I didn't mean it. Actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll still be friends. Of course, I worked for you,

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Speaker 1: and I mean the incoherence of Nicki Haley is just

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I personally really love to

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Speaker 1: behold because I like to see bad politicians just flail

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Speaker 1: on the national stage. Here's one of my favorite ones.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there from the Daily Mail, which

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Speaker 1: is that Nicki Haley is criticizing saying, I Biden it

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Speaker 1: negotiating with the Taliban, and it's just like you literally

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Speaker 1: were the UN ambassador while the true administration was also

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Speaker 1: negotiating a deal with the Talentman, which I supported, by

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Speaker 1: the way at the time. So just the incoherence of

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Speaker 1: her critiques, also of the way that she has decided

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Speaker 1: no no like inklings whatsoever that she will ever be

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Speaker 1: anything on the national stage other than an appointee of

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Speaker 1: some sort. But it's funny Marshall nonetheless to see what

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying. Yeah, I mean, I would actually really

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Speaker 1: doubt the appointee part right now, because there's actually a

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Speaker 1: point where you keep digging. You're just gonna keep digging,

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Speaker 1: and we're pretty much reaching this appointment. Nicky Haley's problem

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Speaker 1: is she doesn't have a constituency. So if you were

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Speaker 1: Who are you going to make happy? This isn't like

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Speaker 1: with mayor now Secretary Pete getting an appointment in the

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Speaker 1: bad administration because he's being set up for a future.

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Speaker 1: Why would Nicky Haley get anything. It doesn't really make

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Speaker 1: any particular sense there. And look the bigger problem. You

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Speaker 1: saw this with Jeb Bush in fifteen twenty sixteen. I'm

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Speaker 1: really fascinated by legacy politicians who were successful in the

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Speaker 1: politicians want power, they want to win. If Nicka Haley

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Speaker 1: You're just seeing people who just are not meant for

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Speaker 1: the style of politics they promote, the very forward facing,

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Speaker 1: And that's entirely what the game is. And it's just difficult.

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Speaker 1: It's an authentic it's ineffective. And once again, who is

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Speaker 1: And then the real thing is is that she's not

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Speaker 1: even good enough in order to suck up to Trump.

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Speaker 1: She still wants to at least try and get some cred,

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Speaker 1: you know, amongst the media or whatever by denouncing him

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Speaker 1: any person like. Look, whenever I criticize Trump, I know

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Speaker 1: amazing just to see her like try to have it

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Speaker 1: just I've never seen somebody just to completely flail about

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Speaker 1: something if Trump did win or whomever you know comes next.

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Speaker 1: But she thinks of herself as so much more of

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Speaker 1: there was a big Newsweek profile of Nikki Hailey where

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Speaker 1: narrative that really fit with this transcending thing. And what

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Speaker 1: you're really seeing happening with Niki Heley, you see is

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Speaker 1: consistently of politicians. I think, frankly the only one who's

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Speaker 1: saying this, but to step as Pete Buota judge, I

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Speaker 1: enough to say, hey, I'm a mayor, and wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: The guy's won the Iowa he won the Iowa Caucus.

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Speaker 1: He is now one of the heirs apparent. He actually

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Speaker 1: had the ability to take a narrative and was and

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Speaker 1: this is different than his policies, but politically translate into

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Speaker 1: something real. Nikki Haley could not take that young woman

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Speaker 1: southern but not southern energy and translated into anything. So

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Speaker 1: the advice here for any aspiring politicians or any actual politicians.

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Speaker 1: on the convenient narrative that donors think tanks packs people

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Speaker 1: who are clinging to you to gain power. We know

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Speaker 1: a bunch of these people in her orbit. You know

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Speaker 1: exactly who you are. They're not helping you because you're

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Speaker 1: not doing the hard work of actually saying it's great

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Speaker 1: that I could get these profiles, but real talk, how

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Speaker 1: well you deserve your fate to all of you who

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Speaker 1: hits your wagon to Nikki Haley, including Nikki Haley yourself.

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Speaker 1: So I don't have a lot of sympathy. All right,

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Speaker 1: little rogan getting COVID. The media wishing he got sick

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Speaker 1: and them calling it horse dy warmer. Rogan himself took

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Speaker 1: notice of CNN consistently labeling him like a conspiracy theorist

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Speaker 1: do you? They're making shit up. They keep saying I'm

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Speaker 1: taking horsety warmer. I literally got it from a doctor.

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Speaker 1: It's an American company. It's a they won the Nobel

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Speaker 1: and CNN is saying I'm taking horsety warmer. Yeah. What

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Speaker 1: so they must know that that's a lot There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people saying it, right, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: But CNN is saying it. Joe's only mistake is putting

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Speaker 1: than This really was an egregious news cycle because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't just about Rogan. It was all of these fake

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Speaker 1: stories about ears filling up with people who are being

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Speaker 1: poisoned by ivermectin by seeking the horse version. Yes, actually

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Speaker 1: her heartworm medicine. It's also ivermectin, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was gonna post a joke that

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Speaker 1: People don't. Yes, it is against parasites, so it is

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Speaker 1: both using humans and animals. That'd be like giving a

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Speaker 1: millions of people or many people have been prescribed it

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Speaker 1: It had to be the P tape. It always was like,

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Speaker 1: ivermectin I. Remectin is not proven. One of the primary

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