1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind Somehow Stuff Works 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamp and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie, 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: do you believe in Sasquatch? Do you believe in dick Foot? 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Did you believe in Bigfoot? Do you believe yet? Day? 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: The question? I know. I know as a kid, I 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: really really really wanted Bigfoot to be real. I have 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: to say I feel pretty skeptical about the YETI the 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: sasquatch existing. Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: I always think back to the two thousand and eight 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Georgia Bigfoot hoax, particularly because that was my I was 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: I pretty much just started at how stuff works. So 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: my life suddenly had a lot more science in it 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: than than ever before because it wasn't just stuff I 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: was reading on the side. It was my job. And uh, 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: until you know, immersed in science is suddenly the all 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: over the internet and on the TVs. It was like 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: a slow newsweek. I think, um, they're they're all these 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: stories out of Georgia, the state we are in um 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: where apparently a car salesman by the name of Rick 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: Dyer and a then police officer by the name of 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Matt Wouldn't claimed to have a big foot corps on 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: ice and a cooler, and it was and it just 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: escalated from there. It because there was a news conference 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: in California, and for a brief little sliver of time 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: there it was it was kind of to be cliche. 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: It was an amazing time to be alive, because because 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: it seemed possible that we might be about to know 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: for sure that there are sasquatches out there, that there 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: are bigfoots, skunk gates, whatever we want we want to 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: call them, and uh, and even though I doubted it, 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: I was, I gave into the temptation to really want 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: to believe. And of course then we found out that 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: it was just a sasquatch costume stuff with possum road 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: kill and slaughter house leftovers. But but for just a 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: little while, Catrick our imagination. You know, to what degree 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: did they think they were going to pull that off? 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: That's what I'm wondering, Like, why go through the trouble 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: of stuffing the innerds with with leftover meats? And well, 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I was reading about it. I've I've read interpretations where 41 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like a joke that got out 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: of control um and quickly was just out of hand. 43 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: I've also read some criticisms to say that one of 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: the individuals involved was really hoping to get some more 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: business for sort of wilderness tours in the area, so 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, a little column and a little calm by 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: and maybe they themselves were kind of given into the 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: lust for sasquat reality as well. Well. I think of 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: the beginnings, at least in terms of the of arresting 50 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: the public's imagination on this topic, is being that I 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: think it's sixty four sixteen millimeter footage that was shot 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: by Roger Patterson and Bob Gillan excuse me, it was 53 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen six seven and everybody is probably familiar with 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: his grainy black and white footage. Yeah, And but you 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: know the thing is, if you're looking for it on YouTube, 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: there's so many different versions of its CG to to 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: to lose track of the original, which I'll be sure 58 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: to to share when this publishes. But the original is 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: really haunting because like the first several minutes of it 60 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: are just dudes riding around on horseback. You're just looking 61 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: at the woods, and there's that click click click click 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: click click click. Uh, you know kind of sound is 63 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: that the film processes through and then you see this 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: creature sort of you know, doing that that saunter across 65 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the clearing in the woods and uh. And it's been 66 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: parodied so many times that it tends to lose any 67 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: kind of impact on a modern viewer. But I find 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: going back to that original film and watching it from 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: the beginning and then having the the the mysterious creature 70 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: gradually appear, you recapture perhaps some of the original excitement 71 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: people found in that footage. Yeah, I mean, because what 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: you're talking about is that half human, half ape like 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: creature just ambling out of a stream bed in the 74 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: Six Rivers National Forests in northern californ On As you say, 75 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: it's not you know, they're just kind of moving along 76 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: there on horseback. It's the footage is just sort of 77 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: oh care nature. Although they are going after the sasquatch, 78 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: that is what they're into, was when they were actually 79 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: filming this. If that's certainly worth noting. It's not just 80 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: a matter of out and then there's a sasquatch and 81 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: we happen to see the sasquatch. So of course, there's 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: there's much debate about this film whether or not it's 83 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: actually someone in a guerrilla suit um, and we we're 84 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: not going to get into all of these sort of 85 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: whether or not this film is um real or not, 86 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: because people are still analyzing it and making arguments in 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: both directions. I do want to say real quick, the 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: term sasquatch is a Silish word from the Salish people 89 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: in other Native American people's of the Alaskan, Yukon and 90 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: parts of British Columbia, and it essentially means wild man. 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: But they're also like over a hundred and fifty different 92 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: local names for this shaggy bipedal creature. And in the 93 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: original myths they would also say that it could be 94 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: fift high. Nowadays, when people were talking about seth Watch, 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: they couldn't make an argument more and they're like the 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: seven to nine foot range. Yeah, and this has been 97 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: reported all over the world. Yeah, you have some variation 98 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: of it for Antarctica, Wellarica, but so you have you 99 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: have you have the eddies in the Himalayas, the skunk 100 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: apes in Arkansas and Mississippi, you have the Siberian almasty, 101 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: you have the Chinese year in or wild man um. 102 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: You have the Cherokee suel calu anywhere you look. And 103 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: when you get into the wild man myths to the 104 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: idea that they're wild men in the forest, you go 105 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: back to thirteen through sixteenth century Europeans. They believed in 106 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: wild men in the woods. Uh. And then there's a 107 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: you can find a compelling argument that essentially the big 108 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: foot myth takes over for us as we as we 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: encounter Darwin's theory of evolution. Uh, the idea that we 110 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be werewolves anymore, that with the werewolf, can 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: no longer be go to representation of our be steel 112 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: shadows cell. Instead we need this other form. Okay, So 113 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: Darwin came online and people are like, all right, here's 114 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: the deal. Were wolves they're out yet he's in, Yeah, 115 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: we're not. Really, we're not descended from wolves. We're descended 116 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: from apes. And so therefore an ape is a better 117 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: avatar for a be steel self. But then again, like 118 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: I said, people were we're seeing uh reporting wild men 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: in the woods long before Darwin came around. So I 120 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: don't think it's the most compelling argument, but it's interesting 121 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: to think about. So the idea of a sasquatch is 122 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: interesting to me for a couple of reasons. One as 123 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: I feel like it's really come to symbolize humans pension 124 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: for logical fallacies. So, you know, believers in Bigfoot would 125 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: claim that the absence of hard evidence of Bigfoot is 126 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: not evidence that Bigfoot does not exist. This is the argument, right, 127 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: And this is all kind of created this cottage industry 128 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: of sincerely earnest people trying to ferret out the truth 129 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: among pranksters and hoaxes. So it sort of money is 130 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: all the water here. You have people that really want 131 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: to believe Eve and want to find actual proof and 132 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: prove it. You have people who want to believe and 133 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: are willing to just cling to whatever. You have people 134 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: who just want to make a hoax. And then you 135 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: have people who really want to apply the rigors of 136 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: science to it or are already of the opinion that 137 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: we've already done that, and they're more pressing things to 138 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: consider right in the absence again of any body essentially 139 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: um And then I think you can't help to think 140 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: that somehow and all of this it sort of stirs 141 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 1: that childlike wonder, right, and that you know, there's somewhere 142 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: inside of us. There's just an iota of hope that 143 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: this nine to twelve foot harry mammal, you know, peaceably 144 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: roams the hinterlands, right, And I think about it as 145 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: being sort of a mash up between Chewbacca and where 146 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: the wild things are. These are these are things from 147 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: my youth and from my memory, my imagination, all embodied 148 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: in what Bigfoot is. Yeah, because the idea is that 149 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: there is this almost magical creature. I mean, most no 150 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: one out there that's you know, a sasquattion just saying 151 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: it's a magical creature, the saying it's a natural creature. 152 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: But there's something magical about the idea that there is 153 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: this uh, this cousin of humanity that still lives wild 154 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: and naked and furry in portions of the world that 155 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: we haven't turned into a parking lot yet, and that 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: they're so good at what they're doing that we have 157 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: really no proof that they're there, that they're they're almost 158 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: like a forest god living in the woods. And while 159 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: there are stories out there of of of a sasquatch 160 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: or a Bigfoot or what have you being aggressive towards humans, 161 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: most of the encounters, you seem to come across their 162 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: more mundane, they're more peaceful. And you see these representations, 163 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: for instance, the Melbourne Catchum Global Sasquatch Foundation. We'll discuss 164 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: that a little later on. But their emblem is is 165 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: this wonderful cheesey emblem of the planet Earth. And then 166 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: there's the outline of a sasquatch on there, and the 167 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: sasquatch is raising one hand, kind of like the figure 168 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: on the Voyager, that sort of I come in peace 169 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and I I laughed the image, but 170 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: it does sum up I feel like a lot of 171 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: the hopes uh and and dreams out there when it 172 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: comes to belief or the desire to believe in a sasquatch. 173 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a Kauaii hangover, you know. 174 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the World Wildlife Fund, and 175 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: I believe their logo is a panda, which is super 176 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: and cuddly, but if you go up to a panda, 177 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: it will mally you. Right. So again, these are ideas 178 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: about things that exist that don't exist, perhaps exist, And 179 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: for me, what is again interesting about all of this 180 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: is that it kind of brings up this question of 181 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: could there be a species of primate behind these legends. 182 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: So not necessarily sasquatch or YETI as we we think 183 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: of it, but maybe something to this. That's the question 184 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: that that is interesting about this. Yeah, and it is 185 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: a reasonable question. It's it's easy to get distracted by 186 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: all of the nonsense out there. You lose sight of 187 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: the fact that, Okay, nine foot gigantopithecus creature did exist. Uh, 188 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,359 Speaker 1: you know in prehistoric times that we do have guerrillas 189 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: to this day. So, and there are portions of the 190 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: world that that are there are more of a wilderness, 191 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: particularly you're looking in like northern North America or a 192 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: Siberian region. Uh, certainly parts of the Himalayas. Uh, you know, 193 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: deep jungles. There are places where you could conceivably have 194 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: a species, even a nine foot tall eight man species 195 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: living outside of a human understanding. Doubtful, but possible. Doubt 196 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: but possible. Yeah, you're not arguing of flying unicorns. You're 197 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: arguing something that tends to make sense, uh, based on 198 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: what we know about the natural world. In two thousand 199 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: and two, the world's perhaps the most famous primatologist, Jane Goodall, 200 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: came out as a I guess you could say bigfoot enthusiast. Yes, 201 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: if not someone who really hopes that this is the case. 202 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: And uh so she does admit to being a romantic 203 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: and having very much a heartfelt feeling about she She 204 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: said during the interview with Ira Flatau of MPR Science 205 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: Friday that she was sure of it. Now she's just 206 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: kind of talking off the cuff here in this interview. Yeah, 207 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: she's not presenting a paper on it. She's just he said, 208 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: he said that happening. She was like, oh, hey, um, 209 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: and so this is what she she said. She said, 210 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: I've talked to so many Native Americans who all described 211 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: the same sounds to who have seen them. I've probably 212 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: got about oh thirty books that have come from different 213 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: parts of the world, from China, from all over the place. 214 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: And there was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper 215 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: just last last week which says that British scientists have 216 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: found what they believed to be a yetty hair and 217 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London 218 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: couldn't identify it as any known animal. So we'll discuss 219 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: more about DNA in a little bit. But she goes, 220 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: as you say, on to say that she is a romantic. 221 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: She she um. She also says it's strange that there 222 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: has never been a single authentic hide or hair of 223 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: the big Foot, So she is acknowledging in a skeptical 224 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: way like we don't really have the evidence. But at 225 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: the heart of this, again, I think, is that childlike 226 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: wonder of like maybe it could be. So. Now, another 227 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: individual that that came up when we were looking at actual, legitimate, 228 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: learned individual scientists who are interested in the possible existence 229 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: of Bigfoot is Jeff Meldrum. Now, Jeff Meldrum is Associate 230 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: Professor of anatomy and Anthropology at Idaho State University UH. 231 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: He's a research associate at the I have A Museum 232 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: of Natural History, and he's his areas of research are 233 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: primate functional morphography, paleontology, but also crypto zoology as well. Now, um, 234 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: crypto zoology for anyone who isn't familiar with the term, 235 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: we have zoology, which is that dealing with actual, UH 236 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: creatures that are known to exist documented. Cryptozoo Zoology is 237 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: concerned with creatures that we do not know actually exist. There, 238 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're things like your locknoest monsters, you're your 239 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: your Bigfoot, monster, what have you? So Meldrum is interest 240 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: in cryptozoology, he's interested in big Foot, but he is 241 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: also he also has the science shops to back it up. 242 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: He he is well informed about how the body of 243 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: a large primate works and would work if it were 244 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: in the form of the sasquash. That's right, because he 245 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: knows all about primate locomotion, human look emotion, and so 246 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: he has analyzed the footprints and he thinks that the 247 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: way that that the foot seems to be uh designed, 248 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: is that it's very well maybe a divergent species, and 249 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: so that's that's interesting. Um. He gets a lot of 250 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: flak for this, by the way, Yeah, as I imagine 251 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: he would. Yeah. Um, But you know he's out there 252 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: on the record saying, look, it's not just the footprints. 253 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: I've examined that footage um from nineteen sixty seven. He says, 254 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: you can see muscle movements, you can see the shoulder 255 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: blade slide under the skin, you can see tendons attaching 256 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: to joints and so forth. He says, the already is 257 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: really much better than most people have acknowledged in the past. 258 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: So again he's talking about that iconic film footage, which 259 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: which I do after researching this podcast, I do agree 260 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: that that we tend to just dismiss that footage these 261 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: days because it has been lampooned so much, and it 262 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: is has been ridicule and I've really become a joke. 263 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,119 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying if you look back at it, 264 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: it's definitely going to convince you or anything. But if 265 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: you if you just put all that aside, all your 266 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: all these preconceived notions, and you watch the footage, fake 267 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: or not, it's it's far more effective than we often 268 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: give it credit. I agree. I also wanted to point 269 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,359 Speaker 1: out it's a gigantapithecus, the giant ape that you had discussed. 270 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: This is this kind of gives us a clue about 271 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: the limits of primate morphology. Right, so there is the 272 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: possibility that you could have a nine foot tall mammal 273 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: by three ft wide that you can't say that's not 274 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: a possibility. It's we know that this is a kind 275 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: of morphology that has exists it in the past. However, 276 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: Michael Schermer will talk about these these different animals that 277 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: we have discovered, and he'll will say that the reason 278 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: cryptods merit our attention is that enough successful discoveries have 279 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: been made by scientists based on local anecdotes and folklore 280 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: that we cannot dismiss all claims a priori. So he says, 281 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: the most famous examples include the gorilla. Actually in um 282 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: we see the old copy that was a short necked 283 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: relative of the draft commodo dragon in nineteen twelve, the bonobo. Uh. 284 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: He goes on and on and on, but he says, 285 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: there is one thing that is common, a common thread 286 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: in all these discoveries. They have a body. It Yeah, 287 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: like like another one. He mentions, of course, this cryptosol 288 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: just loved to point at the ninety eight the discovery 289 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: of a sila can that's in a species of archaic 290 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: looking fish, and that we used to think it had 291 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: gone extinct in the pitatious period, and then here it is. 292 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: But to his point, we had a sela can to 293 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: show off. Here's a gorilla, here's a sela can, here's 294 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: a panda. And as Shermer points out in a two 295 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: thousand three essay for Scientific American, uh, that's the big thing. 296 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: Here show me the body. Where is the body? Because 297 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: anytime we were classifying a new species, we need a holotype. 298 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: We need the body of the creature. We need a 299 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: specimen by which to go on to say here's what 300 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: we found and here's another one. Oh, we can can 301 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: we can compare uh the d n A here, we 302 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: can compare the morphology of these two species and say 303 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: this is this and it's not these other specimens. Okay, 304 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: so we've discussed a bit about the case for the 305 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: existence of bigfoot sasquatch yetti. Let's take a quick break, 306 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: and when we get back we will talk about the 307 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: case against it. All Right, we're back, you know, and 308 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: I want to mention real quick, but Melvioun when he's 309 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: talking about the tracks and prints and and even the 310 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: uh that famous bit of footage, he's really all about 311 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: the sasquatch, and he even admits that the case for 312 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: the yetti in the Himalays is far less impressive. Yeah, 313 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: and we'll get a bit into the Eddie and the 314 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: Himalays and the reasons why that is problematic in a moment. 315 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: But let's go back to this idea of you know, 316 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: show us the body, or show us some sort of 317 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: evidence that that gives us an idea that this species exists. Yeah, 318 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: to uh to Jane Goodall's point, it is incredible that 319 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: if this creature were to actually exists, that we don't 320 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: have any proof of it, that we don't have bodies 321 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: and we don't have a significant samples of their anatomy. Uh. Now, 322 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: the the that would have in my mind, that tends 323 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: to lead to the answer, well, that's because they don't exist, 324 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: and or they did exist, they have not existed in 325 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: a very long time. But uh but yeah, what are 326 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: we what are we to make of that? Because it's 327 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: because especially now, it's one thing to say, you know, 328 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: early twenty century, but now this is the twenty one century. 329 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: There are more humans round than ever before, and just 330 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: about all of them have a camera on them. Because 331 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: I said the other that's a whole other issue that 332 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: the camera footage. But just about everyone has a camera. 333 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: Where we're out all over the place. Why haven't we 334 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: discovered a body? Well, I will play Devil's advocate for 335 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: just one second and say that, you know, every once 336 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: in a while you get the undiscovered tribe, right, so 337 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: you know that there are pockets of people out there, 338 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: maybe even a new species that just has not been 339 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: discovered yet in the rainforest in the Amazon between two 340 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: thousand and ten and two thousand and thirteen, there were 341 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: four d forty one species of plants and animals that 342 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: were discovered. How many of them were nine ft tall? 343 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: That's the problem. Yeah, we're talking about a big creature 344 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: that would would need a larger area in which to roam. 345 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: Uh And and we just haven't seen it. We have 346 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: not seen it happen. Again, not saying it it's impossible 347 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: for it to exist. But when you start looking at 348 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: the details, the size of the creature, how much space 349 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: it would need and uh and in the various parts 350 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: of the world in which it's reported to have been anist, 351 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: then I feel like the case just grows less and 352 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: less impressive. But then you have someone like Melba Ketchum 353 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: who is saying, hey, here is some possible proof, or 354 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: even saying there is proof species exists. Yes, tex And 355 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: veterinarian Dr. Melba s Ketchum uh contends that her research 356 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: teams five year genome sequencing study of a hundred and 357 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: twenty to alleged bigfoot DNA samples because they are tufts 358 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: of hair and whatnot that have been collected by by 359 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: bigfoot hair hunters out there in the wild Anyway, she 360 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: says that she claims that their findings point to a 361 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: hybrid species that split from Homo sapiens and an unknown 362 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: hominid species some thirteen thousand years ago. Now she published 363 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: her results. Yes, now you you probably have not heard 364 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: of the scientific journal that published them, uh DiNovo Scientific 365 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: Journalists what is called because it did not exist before 366 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: publishing this study, and her catch them study is the 367 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: only study that it has ever published. Um So it 368 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: was not pure reviewed. It did not show up in 369 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: any of the normal scientific journals that we would mention 370 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: on this this podcast. So this kind of a red flag. 371 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: And critics have charged that her samples were likely contaminated 372 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: because you have inexperienced evidence gatherers out there that are 373 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: end up introducing their own DNA onto the animal samples 374 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: that they bring in. There sneezing, their coughing, they're breathing heavily, 375 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: what have you. They So they bring in a contaminated 376 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: sample which then wants is analyze. You end up with 377 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: confusing and misleading results. So again, the problem with this 378 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: is starting at the assumption that, um, that the animal 379 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: exists right right, and and that's clear from the get 380 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: go just by you know, just go to her website, 381 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: looks at the logo, look at the mission statement of 382 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: the organization, and you see that that they have they 383 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: have an intention in mind. Yeah. Daniel Laxon, he's a 384 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: co author of the book A Vulnerable Science Origins of 385 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: the Yetti NeSSI and other famous criptis, says quote. A 386 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: scientist generally starts with a conservative working assumption that proposed 387 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: new idea are not true. This is so important, right, 388 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: We've talked about it so over and over again, or 389 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: that hypothetical new entities do not exist, and then revises 390 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: her probability estimate upwards only when the evidence forces her 391 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: to do so, he says. A pseudo scientist, on the 392 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: other hand, typically starts with the assumption that a novel 393 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: pro puzzle seems to be true, and then revises her 394 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: probability downward as the evidence leaves her no choice if 395 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: she is willing to surrender the possibility to do to 396 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: any degree at all. So we've talked about cognitive bias 397 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: all the time. This idea that we continue to sort 398 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: of add weight to this argument that we really want 399 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: to be true, and we begin to assemble patterns where 400 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: sometimes there are none exactly. So yeah, as you go 401 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: into into this kind of study with the cryptozologist mindset, 402 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: with the idea that I really want the big foot 403 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: to be to exist, then that ends up I mean 404 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: that that's the mission statement for the study, that ends 405 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: up skewing the entire study. So no much, no matter 406 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: how much science you throw in after the fact, you've 407 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: already turned the steering wheel off the road. All right, 408 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: So we've talked about the you know, things that have 409 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: existed been discovered. The body showed up, Um, what if 410 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: what if the species is? It does exist but it's 411 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: not what we think it is. There's another explanation, yes, 412 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: and this, uh, this explanation just recently came out in 413 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: the news and it has to do with Oxford University 414 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: geneticist Brian Sykes. Now Sykes his investigations are going to 415 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: be featured in an upcoming Channel four documentary series. He's 416 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: writing a book, um called the Yetie Enigma at DNA 417 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Detective Story And basically, uh, he put out the call 418 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: and said, all right, you have samples of your yetis, 419 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: your sasquatches, what have you? Send them to me and 420 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: we and we will analyze them. We will look at 421 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: the DNA evidence here and and and then you can 422 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: stop complaining about scientists not listening to your bigfoot stories, 423 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: because I'm here to listen. Just send me the stuff, right. 424 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: So they took two of the more promising samples of 425 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: what we're supposed to be uh, you know, supposed to 426 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: be yetty hair yetti yet yettie materials. Uh, and they 427 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: analyzed them and what they found was pretty incredible, though 428 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: not incredible in the way that cryptozoologists would want it 429 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: to be. No, because again, here's the thing about sciences 430 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: that in the scientific method sometimes it yields results that 431 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: you never imagined, completely different than what you thought would happen. So, yeah, 432 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: he called through the gen Bank database and he found 433 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: that two samples were a match with the DNA of 434 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: an ancient polar bear from small Bard, Norway, and that 435 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: polar bear lifts some one to forty thousand years ago, 436 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: just when the brown bear and the polar bear were 437 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: diverging as a separate species. So there you go, one possible, 438 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: one possible explanation for the belief in the yetti. Yeah, 439 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: perhaps what what people were experiencing all these uh these 440 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: years and seeing into sharing stories about passing down from 441 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: generation generation. It actually had to do with a bear 442 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: that lived up, a species of polar bear that lived 443 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: in the region. Yeah. Now, he said that we shouldn't 444 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: take these results and assume the ancient polar bears are 445 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: wandering around the Himalayas. Um. But he did say that 446 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: perhaps the yet he could be this hybrid of polar 447 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: bear and brown bear, essentially a new species of animal. Um. 448 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: He has not published his research yet. It's up for 449 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: peer review, and there are some people who are criticizing 450 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: it only because of the logistics, saying that what we 451 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: know of polar bears, we know that they would have 452 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: a hard time surviving in the Himalayas, right, and Small 453 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: Bard is a long ways away from the Himalayas, right. 454 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: So there there are aspects to it that I think 455 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: need to be sussed out. But it's interesting. Well, I 456 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: have a theory here. The Yeties existed and they used 457 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 1: polar bears imported from Small Bard if their steeds, so 458 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: they wrote around on them and you know, wage war 459 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: and intended their mountain farms. I was just thinking maybe 460 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: they use him as pelts and made little coats put 461 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: over their own hairy bodies. Well maybe they were they 462 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: had naked bodies, or it may be clever, and maybe 463 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: they were actually short, more human size. Maybe they were 464 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: just they were just dudes, like two of them, so 465 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: they were like one once on the other shoulders and 466 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: then they had a little polar bear suit that they 467 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: pulled over it. It sounds pretty good to me. Peer reviewed, 468 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: my friend. Yeah, it's officially peer reviewed, all right. So 469 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: there you have it. A brief entry into the world 470 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: of the sasquatch, the big Foot, the yetie, etcetera. Obviously, 471 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: this is a topic that one can spend a lot 472 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: of time on. You can spend a lot of time 473 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: on it just on the scientific side of things, and 474 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: if you want to wander over into the the non 475 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: scientific side of things, uh, there's even more time to 476 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: be wasted. So if you want to spend more time 477 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: with this topic, I would recommend you check out our 478 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: sister podcast and UH and video series stuff. They don't 479 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: want you to know. They frequently come back to the 480 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: big foot issue and they're going to approach it from 481 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: a less skeptic standpoint, but but not like a completely 482 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: nutty standpoint either, No, and I think they will bring 483 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: up some very interesting ideas actually point in caterpoint ideas. 484 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: So check it out. Yeah, all right, and if you 485 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: want to talk to us about Bigfoot, we would love 486 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: to hear from you, seriously if you have I mean 487 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the Bigfoot story, a lot of the 488 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: the Eddy story. It a lot of it comes down 489 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: to personal encounters. And you know, we've talked before in 490 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: the past about the flawed nature of memory, the flawed 491 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: nature of paranormal experience. Uh. Michael Sherman that we mentioned earlier, 492 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: who was talking about, you know, his skepticism regarding the 493 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: Big Smith. I mean, he himself and had a paranormal 494 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: experience during a bike marathon and which he saw extraterrestrials 495 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: and that kind of that led to his examination of 496 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: why did I see that? What led to that experience? 497 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: Because I know it wasn't aliens and and and so 498 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: his entire career as a skeptic author has has risen 499 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: from that. So because he was under extreme physical extreme 500 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: physical physical arrest, and he had that cultural script already 501 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: in mind. So if you have a story about big Foot, 502 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: send it to us. We're not going to pick it 503 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: to pieces on the air. We're not gonna call you 504 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: foolish or anything, because again, I really want, I would 505 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: really wish that this were true. And and even if 506 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 1: there is no such things, is a big foot. Experiences 507 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: of the big Foot are are real. Those do occur 508 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: like we do have paranormal experiences, even if the reason 509 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: for the occurring lies entirely within the natural world. So 510 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: share your stories with us. We'd love to hear from. 511 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: You can find us on steppable in your Mind dot com. 512 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: You can find us on social media Facebook, Tumbler, Twitter, 513 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: Google Plus all of those, and you can always drop 514 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: us aline and you can do so at blow the 515 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: Mind at discovery dot com for more on this and 516 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: thousands of other topics. 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