1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshin, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshin and Dad. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Yesterday the Little League World Series kicked off, which is 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: so exciting to watch and be a part of. And 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: we're going to be in Williams Sport interviewing Karl Ravich 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: and Todd Frazier for a double interview. You're gonna get 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: multiple episodes from the Little League World. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Series next week here on the podcast. But really things 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: kicked off. 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: For Little League on Tuesday because you were in the 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Big Apple, the city that Never sleeps, you big city guy, Dad. 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: You were there for a big premiere right. 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: Right, the premiere of the movie Big Dreams, The Little 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: League World Series twenty twenty four. This was Dick Sporting 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: Goods first foray into filmmaking, essentially, and it was a 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: fifty one minute documentary about last year's Little League World 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: Series that is directed by Rudy Valdez, who I met. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: What a wonderful guy and what a great film it was. Jeff. 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: There were probably one hundred and fifty people there to 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 3: watch the filming. Alex Rodriguez was there lending, you know, 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: advice to the kids and we had a roundtable and 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: I was the moderator and it was really really cool 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: in New York on Tuesday night. I had a great 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: time and can't wait for the Little League World Series 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: to get full blown. And I Jeff, it's not going 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: to be an interview with Carl Ravage and Top Prager. 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: It's going to be a free for all. It's just 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: going to be a four way conversation about the beauty 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 3: of the Little League World Series. I know what you're saying. 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. But they'll be interviewing us, we'll be 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: interviewing them. It's all the same thing. It's great. 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you happen to be in Williams Sport, I 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: know we're probably talking to a very small audience. We're 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: going to be a part of the game changer in 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Dick's Sporting Goods setup, and so you can come join 36 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: us on Monday, August the eighteenth. We're going to be 37 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: there record and signing and giving away pins. It's going 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: to be a really great time. And then you get 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: to hear everything we filmed and recorded at Little League 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: World Series on the Tuesday and Wednesday episodes featuring A 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Gonna Go Heavy Air quotes interview with Todd Frazier. 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: And Carl Ravich. 43 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: Dad to be able to go to the Little League 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: World Series with you now back to back years, well, 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: excuse me, back to back to back years because if 46 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: you remember, my wife Emily let me go to the 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Little League World Series seven days after our daughter was born, 48 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: which I don't I've mentioned it on the podcast, I 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: think earlier this week or last week by far, the 50 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: greatest wife move ever because I brought her dad in 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: order to go and we had a blast. 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 3: We had a great time, right and this was the 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: Little League World Series is all about? Is that Alex Rios, 54 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: your father in law. He went there a because he 55 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: loves baseball, but just as important, he went there to 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: support Team Mexico because he is of Mexican heritage. He 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 3: didn't know anybody on the team, but that wasn't the point. 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: There are a lot of people who can't travel from 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: Mexico to Williamsport, so Alex Rios went there to support 60 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: Team Mexico. That's another beauty of Williamsport. A lot of 61 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: people just show up to watch the baseball, have no 62 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: connection to it whatsoever, and others just want to show 63 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: up and support their country. And I think that is 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: one of the really really cool parts of Williamsport and 65 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: that was brought out so beautifully in this fifty one 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: minute documentary, which I must say, Jeff, it made me 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: laugh and it made me cry. It was really a 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: powerful fifty one minutes about what the kids go through 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: how to get there. It was really good. 70 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it really is special. 71 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: So it's a new ESPN films well, and how you 72 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: can watch it. It's actually going to be debut. It 73 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: was just debut, Dad, you had mentioned. 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: Tuesday night at nine to thirty Eastern. Was it's a 75 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: debut on television. I'm sure it'll be. It'll run a 76 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: bunch more times. They strongly suggest you watch it if 77 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: you like baseball and if you love Little League World Series. 78 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: It's right up your alley. 79 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: And you can check out the ESPN Little League World 80 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: Series hub page. ESPN Plus has the documentary, so you 81 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: can check it out there. All right, Dad, let's jump 82 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: into the takeaways of Major League Baseball. 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: All right, Well we got to go with the Brewers again, Jeff. 84 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: Through Tuesday they'd won twelve games in a row. They 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: joined the thirty five Cubs as the last two National 86 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: League teams to have two winning streaks of at least 87 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: eleven games in one season. That's how good they are. 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 3: They're different than everyone else, Jeff. They put the ball 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: in play, They're relentless on the bases, they have more 90 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: steals than any team in the National League. They go 91 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: first to third, second home, and the manager of the 92 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: team is just he's priceless. Pat Murphy. I've known him 93 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: for years and years. I always loved being around him. 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: But it's a different deal when you're the manager of 95 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: the team and you know, he's in his mid late 96 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: sixties and he's an old school guy who will get 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: right in your face and tell you the truth. But 98 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: he's also got a really soft touch. So when he 99 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: was the bench coach for the Brewers, you know, kind 100 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: of showing the way to Craig Counsel. As the manager 101 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: of the Brewers, he was the professor. He was the 102 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: teacher of Craig Counsel. And now the teacher is showing 103 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 3: everyone how to manage a baseball team. But I remember 104 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: Jev in twenty twenty one, this is what Pat Murphy does. 105 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: These are the little things he does to keep the 106 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: team loose. So he came up with this idea. If 107 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: any Brewer pitcher draws a walk as a hitter, this 108 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: is bat when back when pitchers had to bat, draws 109 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 3: a walk without swinging the bat. During the ad bat 110 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: he he gets a four foot wooden statue that goes 111 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: into his locker as you know, as a memento of hey, 112 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: you did something really good. You walked in a major 113 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: League game, and you did it without swinging the bat. 114 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: So I didn't even know what this was until a 115 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: couple of years ago. I went in the Brewers clubhouse 116 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 3: and Adrian Hauser, one of the pitchers, explained the whole 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: thing to me because he had this. I said, what's 118 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: the deal with the wooden statue? And he explained the 119 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: whole thing, and he goes, it's in my locker right now, 120 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: and he was basically saying, I'm really proud of this, 121 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: and it will stay. It would stay in his locker 122 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: until the next picture on the Brewers drew a walk 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: without swinging the bat. Those are the little things that 124 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: Pat Murphy did as the bench coach and now does 125 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: as the manager of the team in order to keep 126 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 3: that team focused, loose and thinking about something other than 127 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: just sliders on the black. Yeah. 128 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: I think there's a balance between just enjoying yourself in 129 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: the game and being super competitive, and when you have 130 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: that balance, it's beautiful. The expectations of you know, going 131 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: back to the World Series or going back to the 132 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: NLCS when it comes to like this great example of 133 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: the Mets right now, the expectations are heavy. The Brewers, 134 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: I feel like, are just living in this great time 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: with very little expectation and a whole lot of positivity 136 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of excitement surrounding that clubhouse. So I 137 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: would love to see a Brewer's run. I'm just going 138 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: to say it right now, Dad, We root for the 139 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: story here on Is this a great game or what? 140 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Despite me saying yes, I am a Phillies fan because 141 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: my wife and my daughter we watch the games all 142 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: the time because we're local to the area. 143 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: I also root for the story and the Brewers going 144 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: to or winning the World Series would be a great story. 145 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: Jeff. They've only been to one World Series nineteen eighty two, 146 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: which was the first one that I ever covered, and 147 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: I will never forget it, and they've never won the 148 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: World Series, so this would be really cool. And then 149 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: they're the Mariners, Jeff, who've never been to the World Series. 150 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: So they were seven games back on July the tenth, 151 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: and they have found a way to tie the Astros 152 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: atop the American League West. That will be a fistfight 153 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: for the rest of the season. And again with every victory, 154 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: you know, the case gets better for cal Raley being 155 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: the MVP. And I'm not going to argue with anybody 156 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: who wants to vote for cal Raley's the MVP because 157 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: the word valuable really fits exactly what he does with 158 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: this team. Just one little thing about MVP's, Jeff, how 159 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 3: much things have changed. Okay, cal Raley's hitting two forty 160 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: five to forty five and we're talking about him being 161 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: the MVP. Now. We don't value batting average today, Unfortunately, 162 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: I still think it's an important category. Best. The teams 163 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: with the five best records in baseball as of the 164 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: other day had the five best team batting averages in 165 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: base Is that a coincidence? Maybe not so. But the 166 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: point is there are only three MVPs who have ever 167 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: hit under two seventy and won the MVP that year. 168 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: Roger Maris hit two sixty nine in nineteen sixty one, 169 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: Marty Marion hit two sixty seven in nineteen forty four, 170 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 3: and Show Hey o'tani hit two fifty seven and won 171 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: the MVP in twenty twenty one. So that's not going 172 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: to hold cal Raley back, even though I still think 173 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: Aaron Judge is the MVP. The point is cal Raley's 174 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: going to get a lot of votes, and I'm not 175 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: going to argue with anyone who votes for that guy, 176 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: given his leadership and how elite he is. 177 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: Defensively, well, imagine we can have cal Raley as an 178 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: al MVP and then an NL cy Young to have 179 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: more losses than wins in Paul skeinst That would be unprecedented. 180 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 3: That'd be crazy, right, it would be crazy. Paul Skeins 181 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: could win the Cy Young without winning ten games and 182 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: with having a losing record. That's possible given the lack 183 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: of support. And last thing, Jeff, the Padres caught the Dodgers. 184 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: The Padres were eight games back on July the fifth, 185 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: and with this charge they've made and the Dodgers are 186 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: really scuffling, they have tied the Dodgers. And this is 187 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: one race to keep on, to keep your eye on 188 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: for the rest of the way because they play each other, 189 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: I believe six more times this season. So it's just 190 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: it is a free for all every time they get together. 191 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: I think it's the best rivalry in baseball now, even 192 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: better than Red Sox Yankees, because they don't like each other. 193 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: And clearly the Padres are not intimidated by the Dodgers, 194 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: which is half the battle. 195 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: All right, Dad, let's jump into the quirk Jins, what 196 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: do you have? 197 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: All right? So, driving home from New York Tuesday night, 198 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 3: I was listening to the Yankees Twins game among many 199 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: other games on the radio, and they were making a 200 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: big point Twins broadcasters. They should have been that the 201 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: Twins got their leadout batter, Austin Martin, got a hit, 202 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: and then they didn't get a hit for the rest 203 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: of the game. So the first batter of the game 204 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: got a hit and were held hitless every bat for 205 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: the rest of the game. And they were talking naturally 206 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: and correctly. You know, how often does this happen? We'll 207 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: get this, Jeff. It's happened two other times this season, 208 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: which I found a little bit surprising. Josh Smith and 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: the Rangers did it. Let off a game with a hit, 210 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: no hits the rest of the game for the Rangers, 211 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: and Victor Roblaze of the Mariners same thing. So just 212 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: when you think, hey, that's kind of unusual, well it's 213 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: the third time it's happened already this year, which it 214 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: just speaks to how great baseball is, how quirky baseball is, 215 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: all sorts of amazing things. Speaking of which, the first 216 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: inning in that game, Aaron Judge hit his fourteenth home 217 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: run in the first inning. Okay, the record is eighteen 218 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: homers in a first inning in one season. Aaron Judge 219 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: and Alex Rodriguez hold that record. Just for comparison, the 220 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: Cardinals have seven homers as a team in the first 221 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: inning this year, and Aaron Judge has twice as many 222 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: by himself. There the Cardinals have only scored thirty seven 223 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: runs in the first inning. It's just bizarre how some 224 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: teams get off to a great start and others. And 225 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: speaking of the first inning, Jeff Paul Skens gave up 226 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: a run in the first inning the other night to 227 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: the Brewers, first time after twenty four straight starts without 228 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: allowing a run in the first inning. He gave up 229 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: a run in the first fell short then of the record. 230 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: There are records for these things. Bob Schockey in nineteen 231 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: twenty three when his first twenty seven starts without allowing 232 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: a run in the first inning. Jeff, didn't somebody write 233 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: in about grand slam so the Royals? What was that about? 234 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, someone was watching. 235 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: A member of our family was watching the Royals game, 236 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: and the broadcasters for the Royals we're talking about how 237 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: the Royals have yet to hit a Grand Slam in 238 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: this season, which I kind of found to be suspicious. 239 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: Is that common? This is Sean Knowle who did that 240 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: post dead ball era. 241 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: Has there ever been a season where a team has 242 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: played a full season without hitting a Grand Slam? 243 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: Was his question? 244 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: Yes, there have definitely been seasons like that. And this 245 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: year the Royals, the Rangers, the Nationals, the Twins, and 246 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,359 Speaker 3: the Cardinals don't have a Grand Slam, and the Diamondbacks, 247 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: who are a sub five hundred team, have nine Grand slams. So, Jeff, 248 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: grand slams don't don't make any sense. I've told you 249 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: this before. Willie Mays hit eight Grand slams. You would 250 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: think out of his six hundred and sixty homers, he'd 251 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: hit more than eight. Now, it's not a criticism. Al 252 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: Kline at three hundred and ninety nine homers, he had 253 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: three Grand slams. Don Mattingly, as you know, hit six 254 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: Grand Slams in one season, which is the record, and 255 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: they're the only six Grand slams he ever hit in 256 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: his career. And he hit him in one season. 257 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 258 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: How do you explain that, Frank Robinson, I've told you this. 259 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: Jeff played six years for the Orioles. He hit two 260 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: Grand Slams in those six years, and they came in 261 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: the same game. Now think about that for a second. 262 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: It's just beautiful. The whole Grand Slam thing makes absolutely 263 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: no sense. Who hits him, who doesn't hit him? I 264 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: told you Pete Rose and Derek Jeter each hit one. 265 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 3: Madison Bumgardner, a pitcher, hit two. So he hit as 266 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: many as Rose and Jeter did combine in all their bats. 267 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: And last thing, Jeff Pete Alonso became the all time 268 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: home run leader for the New York Mets two in 269 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: one game on Tuesday night to give him two fifty four, 270 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: passing Darryl Strawberry. So now there are four active players 271 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: who are the home run leaders for a team, not 272 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: necessarily their team, but a team in Major League Baseball. 273 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: So Pete Alonso's one Mike trout as the most homers 274 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: in the history of the Angels. 275 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Is Gian Carlos Stanton for the Marlins. Yes, I was 276 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: thinking Jeffy hit. 277 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: A lot of bombs for the Marlins back. 278 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was very good that that was going to 279 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: be the tricky one. Manny Machado's hit the most for 280 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: the Podra I was gonna quizz you. This guy doesn't 281 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: play for that team anymore, but he's the all time 282 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: home run leader for that team as an active player. 283 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: And it's John Carlos Stanton for the Marlins. 284 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: Let's go. 285 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: I got a question, right, and you didn't even have 286 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: time to ask it yet. 287 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: Right, Jeff. I'm proud of you. Look, I'm quoting music 288 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: lyrics and you are coming up with arcane baseball statistics. 289 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: You got it. 290 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: What has happened to this podcast? Like Freaky Friday? 291 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: No, Jeff, no matter how we switch roles, I'll never 292 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: be able to sing and dance like you. And uh yeah, 293 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: and that's I wish because I don't. 294 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: I've heard you go start to finish on taking me 295 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: out the ball out to the ball game. 296 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: It's not that bad. 297 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: Well, all right, I'm a better singer than I'm a dancer. 298 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: But I've asked you before, Jeff, could you teach me 299 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: how to dance? The answer you say yes, I say 300 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: the answer is no. I think it's like asking me 301 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: to be taller. I think natural rhythm is precisely that 302 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: natural rhythm. You either have it or you don't, and 303 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: I don't. 304 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: Do you think you could? And I'm not trying to 305 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: be funny. 306 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely comparing it to teaching somebody to field a 307 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: ground now. 308 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: I sure know that. 309 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: Well back up, I'm not saying at the major league 310 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: level and da da da, But I'm saying, there is 311 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: a rhythm to sports. Do you think you could teach 312 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: somebody to shoot a free throw and make it look 313 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: athletic like? 314 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I think over time you. 315 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: Could teach anybody anything, a lot of practice, a lot 316 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: of mind ours, but it might take some people longer. 317 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: And I think it would take you longer to learn 318 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: how to dance. 319 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I have no chance of learning 320 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: how to dance. I have great feet. I will tell 321 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: you that, Jeff, you catch ground balls with your feet 322 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: and uh, but my feet do not translate to dancing, 323 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: so that we're we're not going to talk about this anymore. 324 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: It's two embarrassed. 325 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: That makes sense why I committed so many errors as 326 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: a kid, because you told me to catch him with 327 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: my feet, so I'd end up kicking the ball. 328 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: It was all messed up. 329 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: So next on, is this a great game? Or what 330 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: we've got on this state in baseball history? From Ozzie 331 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: to Oral? A brand new team Tim and the best 332 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: of all Tim Plus the team had lots coming up 333 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: next on the state and baseball history. Welcome back to 334 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: is this a great gamer? 335 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: What what do you have? 336 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: Debt? Well, Jeff I got four birthdays. Nineteen seventy two, 337 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 3: Jan Pierre was born. I haven't checked the stat lately, 338 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 3: but the last time I checked, Jan Pierre had the 339 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: most hits of anyone who never made an All Star team. 340 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: He was a really good defensive outfielder. He could really 341 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: get a hit. And I'll never forget Jeff I so 342 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 3: enjoyed being around him because he was a self made player. 343 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: He outworked everyone. I went to a game at the 344 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: Vet in Philadelphia long before the Citizen Bank was born, 345 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 3: and he was out on the field at twelve thirty. 346 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: I got to a game at twelve thirty seven o'clock start, 347 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: which tells you a little something about me. There was 348 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: one player on the field and that was Juan Pierre 349 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: at twelve thirty in the afternoon, and he was rolling 350 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 3: the ball down the third base line in order to 351 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: see how the ball rolled in case he bunted down 352 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: the third base line, and I said, you know, I 353 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: went and talked to him, like, what are you doing 354 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 3: and he goes, well, I'm just working on seeing where 355 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 3: a bunt might go if I bunt out. This is 356 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: the level of precision that it took for him to 357 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: be a really good player. He outworked everyone and that's 358 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 3: the perfect example. So love want Pierre really good player. 359 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we talk about Tony Gwenn obviously Hall 360 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: of Famer and taking nothing away from his unbelievable athleticism 361 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: and ability to get a hit. But we talked to 362 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: his son and Tony Gwinn, I think, is he not 363 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer if he doesn't work the way 364 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: he worked. He worked harder than everybody else. He was 365 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: watching tape of every pitcher. He was a studier of 366 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: the game and once again taking nothing away from his 367 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: athleticism and his ability, but he just worked harder than 368 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: everybody and had the career he. 369 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: Did because of it. 370 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 3: He did. Tony Gwen was a great athlete, but you're right, 371 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: he outworked everyone and that's why and was. 372 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: A great athlete of course, all right, But he could 373 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: throw a mean bounce pass right. 374 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So since we had Joe West on yesterday 375 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 3: as our guest, having an Umpire on, I just think 376 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: shows a little depth to this podcast. We need to 377 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: see different we need to hear different voices, and I 378 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 3: love to talk to Joe West the other day. So 379 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: on this date in nineteen fifty nine, Dale Scott Umpire 380 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: was born. So I only tell you that, Jeff, because 381 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: I was in the Umpire Fantasy Ejection League at ESPN. 382 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: It's the only fantasy's game I've ever played. No baseball, 383 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 3: no football, no basketball. Just don't have time for it. 384 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: Baseball is a it's a conflict of interest for me 385 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: to be, you know, having a fantasy team and then 386 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: rooting against somebody when I'm covering the team and I 387 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: have to be the game. I have to be objective. 388 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: But so I drafted my team, and jud Burt from 389 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: ESPN was the one that put all this together. He 390 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: was our officionado on umpiring. So the point is Dale 391 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: Scott was on Steve Berthune, who's my former, you know, 392 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: colleague at baseball tonight, and Bert drafted uh Dale Scott. 393 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: So we're doing the baseball tonight at like one fifteen 394 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: Eastern time in the morning, all right, and nobody is watching, 395 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: so Bert like Steveerthue like blurts out on the air. Hey, 396 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: Dale Scott, whenever you want to throw somebody out, I'm 397 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: ready for you. And then later in that game, Dale 398 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: Scott threw somebody out of the game. I'm man, he 399 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 3: ejected someone. You win the higher ejection fantasy league by 400 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: your draft four umpires, and whoever has the most ejections 401 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: at the end of the season wins the league. Dumbest 402 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: thing ever, But I loved it. And can you remember 403 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 3: the name of my team because I won an award? 404 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: Fill thine Horn with Oil and Vargo. 405 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: Oh, Jeff, I can't believe you remember that. Ed Vargo 406 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: was a really good umpire and jud Birch, who started 407 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: the league, his favorite saying for when somebody hit a 408 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: home run, especially at Philly, especially Jim Tomy. He would 409 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 3: say fill nine horn with oil and go, which is 410 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: from the Bible. Not like I know that, but so 411 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: I just changed the name of my team to fill 412 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 3: thine oil, Fill thine horn with oil and vargo. So 413 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: I never won the Fantasy Ejection League, but I did 414 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: win best Team Name for fill thine horn with oil 415 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: and vargo. 416 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: Excellent job all right. 417 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: Also born on this date in nineteen fifty nine, Magic Johnson, 418 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: who of course is one of the great basketball players 419 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: of all time, one of the ten greatest players ever, 420 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: greatest point guard in history for me, and he's also 421 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 3: part owner of the Dodgers. So I got to know 422 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: him a little bit when he used to work at ESPN. 423 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 3: So I saw him a few times at games, and 424 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: I asked him once. I said, Magic, what has impressed 425 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: you most in the whatever three months that you've owned 426 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: the Dodgers. And he was quite serious. He said, I 427 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: can't believe how many games they play in the Major League. 428 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: He said this was in LA on a Monday night, 429 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 3: and he said, our team played on Sunday night on 430 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: the East coast, and then they flew across the country 431 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: and they're going to play tonight on the West Coast, 432 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: and they're going to play well. He goes, when we 433 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: played a back to back in the NBA, it was 434 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 3: a killer. They granted, Jeff, there's a different level of 435 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 3: exertion for an NBA game back to back then a 436 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: major league game. But his point was, I can't believe 437 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: they're gonna play well tonight after traveling all that distance 438 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: and having played a game last night, and they're gonna 439 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 3: play again tonight. And I thought that was really honest 440 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: of him to recognize just what a grueling job it 441 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: is to be a major league baseball player with all 442 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: the travel. Also, Jeff, I'll never forget this. Matt Kemp 443 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: was on the Dodgers at that time. Matt Kemp was 444 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: a great He was a really good baseball player and 445 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 3: a great high school basketball player. So while he was 446 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: with the Dodgers and Magic owned the team, I think 447 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 3: he was serious, but he said he could beat Magic 448 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 3: in a game of one on one because he's much 449 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: younger than Magic Johnson. So I on the on TV, 450 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: I asked Magic, and it was a loaded question, of course, 451 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: and I said it with a little chuckle. I said, 452 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: so Matt Kemp thinks he could beat you in one 453 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: on one, and the look on Magic's face was absolutely priceless. Jeff, 454 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: I'll never forget. He looked at me and he goes, Look, 455 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 3: these guys are playing the hardest game in the world 456 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 3: to play baseball. He goes, I have zero chance to 457 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: ever do anything well on the baseball field. I have 458 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: zero chance to ever get a hit in a major 459 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 3: league game. This was Magic being honest. And then he 460 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: looked at me and he goes, But if Matt Kemp 461 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: really thinks he could beat me at one on one, 462 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: you have got to be kidding me. And I totally 463 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: agree with Magic. As great as Matt Kemp was and 464 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: as young as he still was, there is no way 465 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 3: he's going to beat Magic Johnson in a game of 466 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: one on one. Leverage, size, experience, understanding of the game. 467 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 3: That's what Magic had, and he would torch. He would torch. 468 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: Wouldn't be close, would not be close. 469 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 3: My last thing, Jeff. On this date in nineteen thirty, 470 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 3: Earl Weaver was, and Earl Weaver is to me one 471 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 3: of the five greatest managers of all time. I covered 472 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: him late seventies early eighties in Baltimore. But then I 473 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: covered him every day in nineteen eighty six as the 474 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 3: beat writer covering the Orioles for the Baltimore Sun. Earl 475 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: taught me more about baseball than anyone I've ever met. 476 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 3: I could tell you hours and hours of stories about 477 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: Earl Weaver, and I just loved it. I'll never forget 478 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: when I knew it. It was done for Earl. Eighty six, 479 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: the Oriols were pretty bad, but miraculously he helped keep 480 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 3: them in the race until the beginning of August, and 481 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: then they fell apart and went fourteen and forty two 482 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: the rest of the season. And he retired again after 483 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 3: that season because he knew we were not with it anymore. 484 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: With these guys, we really stink. So I was with 485 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: him in Oakland covering the team on a Sunday morning, 486 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: filled out his lineup cars, just me and him in 487 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 3: his office on a Sunday morning in Oakland. He looks 488 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: at me and he goes, Tim, this is the worst 489 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: lineup I've ever filled out for a major League game. 490 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: And about a month later he resigned. I should have 491 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 3: known that day this is it for Earl. But I 492 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: learned so much about him. Absolute brilliant man when it 493 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: came to baseball, and they called him the Earl of Baltimore, 494 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 3: which got me to thinking, Jeff, we need to come 495 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: up with the what the Earl of Baltimore. 496 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: I need to come up with what the All Royalty Team? 497 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: All Royalty Team. Jeff, you're doing so well today. All right, 498 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 3: here's the All Royalty Team. I came up. I think 499 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: I've done this at some point before. But Prince Fielder 500 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: is our first baseman. Jeff King is our second baseman. 501 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 3: Ray Knight is the third baseman. Now I fudged this one. 502 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 3: Royal roy L E. Stillman is our shortstop, even though 503 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: he never played shortstop in a big league game. Earl 504 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: always told me he could if he wanted to. Duke Snyder. 505 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: Earl Averill Hall of Famer, like Duke Snyder in the outfield, 506 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: Ryan Court, you know the whole, you know whatever. Mel 507 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 3: Queen is one of the pictures. And current Nationals pitcher 508 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: Brad Lord. So those are that is the All Royalty 509 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: team and our catcher. Sorry I forgot Steve Barron. Any 510 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: of those makes sense to you. 511 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: Well, Dad, I'm gonna surprise you with this John Woodward, 512 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: who's a member of our family actually emailed us a yeah, 513 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: an all Royalty team back on Monday, August eleventh, so 514 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: earlier this week. 515 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: No, yeah, I read it. 516 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: His picture, John the Count Montefronosco. 517 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: I got it, all right, it's a nickname. I got it. 518 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: Earl Baty, Earl Battie Canny for the twins. Yes, the guys, Princefielder, 519 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: Ray Knight, Jack Wilson at shortstop. 520 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: Wait wait wait, Jack Wilson, what does that mean? 521 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: I don't know Royalty Jack? 522 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: Like? Is that all right? All right? 523 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: Keep going, Dave Kingman at third? Right, this is a change, 524 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: lordis Guriel? 525 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: All right? That's a good one. 526 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: Right, Also had mel Queen Duke Snyder Babe Ruth the 527 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Sultan of Swat. Still a nickname, but I mean on 528 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: Monday he sent this, Dad the Greatest. 529 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: That pretty good. 530 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: Two ridiculous minds thinking alike, Oh my gosh, well what's 531 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: his name again? 532 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: It's that's John Woodward who sent that over Dad? How 533 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: crazy is that that he sent that on Monday? And 534 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: now here you are, and I swear to you, we 535 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: did not communicate about this team. 536 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: Tim. We get a lot of great ones, but I 537 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: was kind. 538 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: Of nervously typing over here because I remembered that he 539 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: sent that, so I. 540 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: Wanted to make sure I had it right. 541 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: How about that two great reporters, Woodward and Bernstein here, 542 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: how about that? That's great. 543 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: You know what's funny about that? 544 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 3: Dad. 545 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: We were at a wedding in Georgetown, as we mentioned, 546 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: and I showed Emily. I said, oh, there's the uh, 547 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: there's the Watergate hotel el. And Emily is not privy 548 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: to history, and she goes Watergate. God, that sounds familiar. Watergate, Watergate? 549 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: What is Watergate? I said, well, that's a whole other thing. 550 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 1: I was just kind of telling you that's where it happened. 551 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: And that's the namesake, obviously of President Nixon's ultimate resignation 552 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: from the presidency. 553 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: And by the time I finished. 554 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: Explaining just that short one, I think she fell asleep 555 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: because she is not a history boss. 556 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: Right. Well, Dan Shaughnessy's wife, Mary Lou is absolutely wicked smart, 557 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: but she doesn't know anything about baseball. So we saw 558 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: a picture in the background of Whitey Ford and Dan 559 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: identified it as Whitey Ford, and she said, oh, is 560 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: he out of jail? So living in the Boston area, 561 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: apparently she got Whitey Ford mixed up with Whitey Bulgers. 562 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: It was like a gangster, like a criminal. So yeah, 563 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: so these little things come up and all we can 564 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 3: do is lap. Dad called me just to tell me 565 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: that Whitey Ford Whitey Bulger story. It was great. 566 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: From Ozzie to Oral. 567 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: We're counting down the best players at each number, from 568 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: one to fifty five. 569 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: Dad. At this point, I've lost track what number are 570 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: we on. 571 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: I were at number thirty six. We're going with Gaylord Perry, 572 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: just ahead, just ahead of Robin Roberts. Robin Roberts one 573 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: of the great pitchers of all time. So, Jeff, I 574 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: think I've told you this, But the day I interviewed 575 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 3: at ESPN in nineteen ninety seven, in yeah, late in 576 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, I get picked up by a car. 577 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: Car comes to get me at the airport and when 578 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: the driver drives me in and he goes, uh, you know, 579 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: I just dropped off one of my favorite people in 580 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: the world, Robin Roberts. So I say, god, he was great. Well, 581 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: you know, two hundred and sixty games, one of the 582 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 3: whiz kids, incredibly durable. And after I go through this 583 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: whole thing about who Robin Roberts was. He looks at 584 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: me and goes, who the hell are you talking about. 585 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 3: I said, I'm talking about Robin Roberts, the great baseball pitcher, 586 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: and he goes, no, no, no, I'm talking about the Robin Roberts, who, 587 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: of course was an ESPN anchor. We were going to 588 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: and from ESPN. I should have figured that out. Love 589 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: Robin Roberts, the anchor. She's doing great, still beaten, all 590 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: sorts of illnesses. I love her. But yes, that's when 591 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 3: you have a one track baseball mind. When someone says 592 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: Robin Roberts to you, you think of right handed pitcher 593 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: with the phillies, not anything else. 594 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm worried about any sort of music star too. 595 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: Someone would be like, you're not gonna believe I just 596 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: met Carlos Santana, and you'd be like, Wow, he had 597 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: a great year in twenty nineteen. He's a silver slugger 598 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: for the then Indians. 599 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, God, switch hit her with power. Yes, great, 600 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: all right, so we're going We're going with Gaylord Perry. 601 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: Gaylord Perry won three hundred and fourteen games. He won 602 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: the most game in the major leagues in the nineteen 603 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: sixties and seventies combined. You'll win some money if you 604 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: if you ask people that question with the answers. Gaylord 605 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: Perry also had the eighth most strikeouts of all time. 606 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,239 Speaker 3: He did all of this with a three point one 607 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 3: point one era, and he had fifty three shutouts, which 608 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 3: is the seventeenth most of all time. Now we all 609 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: know he threw a spinner, but Jim Sunberg was one 610 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: of his catchers with the Rangers, and years later Jim 611 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: Sunberg told me, look, Gaylor just loaded up only like 612 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: once in a while, like if he needed a big 613 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: out or a big pitch in the seventh inning, he 614 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: would like throw one spitball per game. That's it. People 615 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: think he loaded up on every single pitch, but that's 616 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: what he was doing to just try to get into 617 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 3: the head of the hitter, Like, you know, I'm throwing 618 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: a spitball every pitch and you got the hitter all 619 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: psyched out about things. So I believe Gaylord Perry was 620 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: an underrated pitcher, not an overrated pitcher. But the great 621 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: story about him, Jeff was in nineteen sixty four, He's 622 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: pitching for the Giants and Alvin dark is the manager 623 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 3: and one of the writers went to Alvin Dark and said, 624 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: you know, I've been watching Gaylord Perry hit. He's he's 625 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 3: a good hitting pitcher, and he's gonna hit a home 626 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: run in the big league someday. So Alfred Dark, the 627 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: manager of the Giant, says, listen, we are going to 628 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 3: land a man on the moon before Gaylord Perry hits 629 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 3: a major league home run. So five years later, on 630 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, at one seventeen PM, Neil 631 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walked on the moon and Jeff, 632 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: I'm not making this up. Thirty thirty minutes later, two 633 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty eight thousand, nine hundred miles away 634 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: from the ballpark, Gaylord Perry hit a home run off 635 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 3: of Claude Ostee. So Alvin Dark said, We're gonna land 636 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: a man on the moon before Perry hits a homer 637 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: and thirty and the difference was thirty minutes later, and 638 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: Alva Dark, who was then managing the Indians, said, well, technically, 639 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: I was right. We landed a man on the moon 640 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: first by thirty minutes. 641 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: How about that one small swing for a batter, one 642 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: giant swing for Gaylord Perry. 643 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 2: All right, it is funny. 644 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 3: Also, that's it's a great story and it's knowing us, Jeff. Number, 645 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: We're going to do two numbers today. Number thirty seven 646 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 3: is Keith Hernandez. Now, technically we should probably go with 647 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: Dave Steve because Dave Steve wore that number for his 648 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: entire career. But we've already used Dave Steve as our 649 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 3: number one Toronto Blue Jay in the history of the franchise, 650 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 3: and correctly so. But we also had Keith R. Nandez 651 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: on in spring training and I told him, hey, yeah, 652 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. We have you as the greatest 653 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 3: number thirty seven of all time. So I can't go 654 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: back on a promise to Keith R. Nandez. He wore 655 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 3: number thirty seven with the Cardinals. He spent eight years there. 656 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 3: He won co MVP with Willie Stargel for the MVP 657 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy nine. He was a great Saint Louis Cardinal. 658 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: He is the greatest defensive first baseman of all time. 659 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 3: And Jeff, let's see if you can remember why he 660 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: wore number thirty seven seven for the Cardinals. Do you remember. 661 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: Everything he always had to have a seven in his number. 662 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 3: And why was that? Jeff Nicky Mantle was born shared 663 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: the same birthday as Keith Hernandez, so he had to 664 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 3: wear a seven. So the only seven that was available 665 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 3: when he signed with the Cardinals was number thirty seven. 666 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: Then he got traded to the Mets. He wanted to 667 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 3: wear thirty seven again. I'll give you a million dollars 668 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 3: if you can get this. He couldn't wear number thirty 669 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 3: seven for the Mets because that number was already retired 670 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: either a former manager of the. 671 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: Mets, former manager, hold on, hold on, former manager of 672 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: the Mets that would have their number retired, right, you 673 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: only know like three former managers of the Mets. It's 674 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: not Bobby Valentine, is it Casey Stengel? 675 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 3: Yes, Jeff, Jeff, you're having a great podcast. I've quizzed 676 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 3: you like four times at your four for four really 677 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: really good. So that's great. So that's what we're doing 678 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: with Keith Hernandez. We're making him our greatest number thirty seven, 679 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 3: even though only half his career basically did he wear 680 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 3: that number. 681 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: Best of all, Tim, Dad, you mentioned you know one 682 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: of our best of all, Tim's Dave Steve. But now, 683 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: what team are we doing this week? You're going to 684 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: take a team best player in that franchise. 685 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 3: All right, We're doing the Tigers, and we're going This 686 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 3: is pretty easy for me. Al Kline is the second 687 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 3: greatest Tiger ever. Ty Cobb is the greatest Tiger ever. 688 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 3: He's the lifetime three sixty six hitter. He's one of 689 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 3: the greatest hitters in baseball history. Nineteen o nine, he 690 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 3: won the Triple Crown. He batted three seventy seven with 691 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 3: nine homers and one hundred and seven RBIs stole eight 692 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 3: hundred and ninety seven bases in his career, and Jeff 693 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty five he got a little bit tired 694 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 3: of people saying that he was just a singles hitter 695 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 3: because he hit a ton of doubles, a ton of triples. 696 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: He just didn't hit the ball out of the ballpark. Because, again, Jeff, 697 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 3: when he started his career, hitting the ball out of 698 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 3: the ballpark was not what you were supposed to do. 699 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 3: It was only until Babe Ruth came along in nineteen 700 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 3: twenty with the Yankees that he popularized and glamorized the 701 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 3: home run, and Babe Ruth became wildly popular, and the 702 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 3: game took off because of Babe Ruth. But ty Cobb 703 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 3: got a little bit tired of that after a while. 704 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 3: So on May the fifth, nineteen twenty five, when one 705 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 3: of the writers like challenged him, he went out and 706 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 3: went six for six and hit three home runs in 707 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 3: one game, all of them over the fence. Jeff had 708 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 3: sixteen total bases in that game, would set the major 709 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 3: League record for total bases in one game. And he 710 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: did it just despite everyone. Look, if you want me 711 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 3: to hit home runs, I can do that. It's not 712 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 3: good for the game. It's not the way that I 713 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 3: was taught how to play the game. This is not 714 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 3: the way I play the game. But I'll just show 715 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 3: you I could do it if I want to. And Jeff, 716 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 3: I'm in the massive minority here, and I think, at 717 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 3: age sixty eight, somebody has to protect the history of 718 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 3: the game. I really believe that ty Cobb could play, 719 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: not only play in today's game. I think he would 720 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 3: be a really good player in today's game. He would 721 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 3: have he would need six months to figure out how 722 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 3: to hit this velocity. But Jeff, he could fly. He 723 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 3: was big, he was strong, you know, he wasn't we 724 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 3: Willie Keeler. You know, he weighed one hundred and eighty 725 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 3: pounds sometimes more in his career. I think he would 726 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 3: be the everyday center fielder for the Detroit Tigers right now. 727 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 3: And boy do people think I'm crazy about that? 728 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 2: Well, they would be made better for it, and they're 729 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 2: a pretty darn good team this season. 730 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: So yes, absolutely, let me tell you about today's seamhead. 731 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: For I am a seamhead. 732 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: You can always send me a voice memo Jeff at 733 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: Great Game or what dot com. Jason Schwartz is the 734 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: co chair of the Saber Baseball Cards Research Committee, which 735 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: is the most fun committee at Saber, according to our 736 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: friend Mark Simon. Okay, so he runs a baseball card 737 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: pack rip at this Saber convention every single year, dozens 738 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: and dozens of packs, and he dad loves baseball cards. 739 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 2: Like we all do. 740 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: But wait until you hear just how many cards he 741 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: had at one point in his life. 742 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 2: Let's take a listen. 743 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 4: I'm Jason Schwartz. I'm from Western Springs, Illinois. I'm a 744 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 4: steamhead because, first off, baseball's the greatest game in the world. 745 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 4: The history is so rich, But in my case, really 746 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 4: it was all about fall in love with baseball cards 747 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 4: when I was eight years old. Baseball cards for me 748 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 4: were just a window into another world, but also just 749 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 4: the way I made friends at school. Right the cool 750 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 4: kids were trading cards, they were collecting Steve Garvey. As 751 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 4: soon as I got my first Garvy, I instantly had 752 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 4: friends and just been in love with cards in the 753 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 4: game of baseball ever since. At my peak, I probably 754 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 4: had about three hundred thousand baseball cards. I've thinned things 755 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 4: out a little bit over the years, so now I've 756 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 4: probably got about thirty thousand, and still trying to thin 757 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 4: things out a little bit. It's hard because I love 758 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 4: him so much. 759 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 2: That's our seam head this week. 760 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 3: Jason Schwartz, do you have three hundred thousand cards? Seriously? 761 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 3: Where did he? Where did he put them? I mean, 762 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 3: does he have a room just for baseball cards? He 763 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 3: has to write three hundred thousand? 764 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 2: Dad, Do you still have every book that you filled? 765 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 3: No? No, no, I read them away a bunch of 766 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 3: my box score books. They were taking up too much 767 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 3: room in the house. Need of men season I kept. 768 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 3: I have a couple of seasons, yes, just to make 769 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 3: sure in case anybody asks, I could show them and 770 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 3: say this is what my box score book look like. 771 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 2: But did you pick anyone in particular? 772 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 3: It didn't matter. It didn't matter which season I really won, 773 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 3: the eighty five season right now, right, I'm not going 774 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 3: to carry around a giant book on the road when 775 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 3: I can look everything up on the internet. Now, we 776 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 3: didn't have the internet back then, so I would carry 777 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 3: one or two books per per season. So, Jeff, as 778 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 3: far as baseball cards go, I can honestly say I've 779 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 3: only stolen one thing in my life. And this is 780 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 3: a true story. I was about eight years old. I 781 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 3: was collecting baseball cards, not putting them in a box. 782 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 3: But I had every baseball card. And I'm not making 783 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 3: this up except for you know this journeyman reliever Hal 784 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 3: would a check, okay. And I'm walking through the Kresky's 785 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,959 Speaker 3: five and dime and this is in nineteen sixty four, 786 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,919 Speaker 3: and I don't have any money because I never had 787 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 3: any money. A how many eight year olds have money? 788 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 3: But right, we didn't have any money in our family 789 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 3: growing up, believe me. So I'm walking through the store 790 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 3: and I'm not making the subject. There is a baseball 791 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 3: package of cards opened up and like peeking out of 792 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 3: the top is hal Wood a check's card, and I went, 793 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 3: oh my god, this is the one card that I need. 794 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 3: So eight year old Tim Kirkchin lifted it out of 795 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,720 Speaker 3: the package of cars and walked out of the store. 796 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 3: How about that shoplifter, Tim Kirkchin, and I got away 797 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 3: with it? 798 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 2: Officers, there he is there right now? 799 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,959 Speaker 3: Right? What did you see? Baseball card? Hal would a check? 800 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: I think sixty years later the Statute of Limitations has 801 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: expired on a petty theft for an eight year old. 802 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 2: So you don't need to stress about this going on 803 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 2: the internet. 804 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 3: Right. 805 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, which, now we learned you know a lot about 806 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 2: out the internet. 807 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 3: Way to go, right? I need to learn a whole 808 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 3: lot more, Jeff. Okay, Well that's great, Jeff. 809 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: We'll take it one day at a time. I'll teach 810 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,720 Speaker 1: you how to use email. You're gonna love it. 811 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 2: It's so convenient. All right. 812 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, Dad, we're excited because, as we mentioned at the 813 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: top of the show, next week you will hear us 814 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: live from Williams Sport. That's right, we're going to be 815 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: doing an episode. Our Tuesday episode from Williams Sport at 816 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 1: the Little League World Series Wednesday will feature our guests, 817 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 1: Todd Fraser and Carl Ravach. It's gonna be a great 818 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: week that I can't wait to spend another time with you. 819 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: And thanks to our friends at Game Changer and Dick 820 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: Sporting Goods for hosting us. 821 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 2: I'm so ready for it. Dad's I'll see you in person. 822 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 3: Next week, right, And let's be clear, Karl Ravich is 823 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 3: the voice of Little League Baseball and Todd Fraser is 824 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 3: the second voice because he's the greatest analyst we've ever 825 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 3: had on Little League baseball. Because of course, he played there. 826 00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 3: He won a championship there. Nobody loves little League Baseball 827 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 3: more than Todd Frazier and as we've said many times, 828 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 3: he's the biggest twelve year old ever. He's still twelve 829 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 3: years old when he goes to Williamsport and that's what 830 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 3: makes that place so special and so magical. 831 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: Dad is a big surprise for both of them as well, 832 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: which will be revealed during that interview. Thank you so 833 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: much for listening, and as always, thanks for being a 834 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,760 Speaker 1: part of our family.