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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by Draft Kings. We are

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Speaker 1: excited today to be joined by Ravens Gentlem manager Eric

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Speaker 1: ta Costa, fresh off the draft. Been a busy few

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Speaker 1: weeks here, no doubt about it. So let's start with this, Eric,

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Speaker 1: and this is what I heard. So you guys are

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Speaker 1: on the clock in the first round and you're considering

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Speaker 1: who you're going to take it twenty two, and it

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Speaker 1: came down to you pulling up the mock drafts that

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Speaker 1: were done in advance. You pulled up Mine and Minx,

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Speaker 1: and you laminated. They were laminated.

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Speaker 2: They were ready to be official.

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Speaker 1: And you saw that I had us taking Zay Flowers

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Speaker 1: and he had us going with Yantay Banks. And you said, guys,

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Speaker 1: we can't let make be right. Garrett's pick has got

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Speaker 1: to be the right one. And that's how you ended

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Speaker 1: up on Zay Flowers. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Well, that definitely factored in, no, But on a serious note,

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Speaker 3: so there's this whole school of thought. Now that you

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Speaker 3: know what what people are doing the analytics community, one

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Speaker 3: of the ways that they're actually building out your model

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Speaker 3: is to look at all the various you know, mock

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Speaker 3: drafts and basically collate all those mock drafts, and that

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Speaker 3: becomes a part of all the other, you know, parts

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Speaker 3: of the recipe that go into these predictive models is

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Speaker 3: how kind of the wisdom of the crowd mentality, how

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Speaker 3: people think about these players in a way as a

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Speaker 3: way of looking at, you know, league value. So when

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Speaker 3: players start to show up in the top one hundred consistently,

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Speaker 3: there's probably a pretty good chance that those guys going

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Speaker 3: in the top three rounds of the draft. And when

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Speaker 3: guys don't show up at all of these mock drafts,

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Speaker 3: if you have them as a team, if you have

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Speaker 3: a guy ranked in your top one twenty and he's

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Speaker 3: not showing up at all in any of these mock drafts,

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Speaker 3: there's a pretty good chance that you don't have to

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Speaker 3: take that guy till the third day of the draft, right.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I keep telling Garrett that Zay's my guy.

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Speaker 4: He was my guy, his pick, right because of all

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Speaker 4: the wide receivers, I like Zay the most.

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Speaker 3: He was my guy.

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Speaker 4: So my question for you is, you know, four straight

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Speaker 4: wide receivers go off the board. Was Zay the guy

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Speaker 4: that you wanted the most out of that cluster?

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Speaker 3: He was you know, and looking at all those guys,

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Speaker 3: we felt like this was an explosive player, very good

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Speaker 3: run after catch, good hands, and also, you know, despite

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Speaker 3: a lack of you know, probably elite size, he's a

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Speaker 3: guy that we thought could play inside or outside, can

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Speaker 3: catch punts, competitive, feisty player with a history of production

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Speaker 3: over five years. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have this one on my question sheet.

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Speaker 4: But do you always look for a guy or often

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Speaker 4: look for a guy at the end of the first

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Speaker 4: round that maybe there's some trait about him, because we're

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Speaker 4: always drafting near the end of the first round, which

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Speaker 4: is a good thing. There's some trait that people are

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Speaker 4: knocking them about, but they have other elite traits in

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Speaker 4: something and that's the reason why they fall. Like Zay right,

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Speaker 4: great wide receiver, everything. If it weren't for his height,

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Speaker 4: guy might be a top ten pick, right, Linderbaum.

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Speaker 2: You know, his size was the question.

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Speaker 4: You know, like guys that have a knock in some

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Speaker 4: way that we feel like, hey, this is providing great

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why they're there, you know, Like we talk

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Speaker 3: about second round picks, specifically second round picks, we can

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Speaker 3: typically identify one thing about that player that probably prohibits

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Speaker 3: him from being a first round pick. And sometimes that size.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes that's production. Sometimes that's injury in the case of

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Speaker 3: like a guy like David Ojabo. But there usually one

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Speaker 3: thing that teams would look at and say, well, that's

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Speaker 3: going to cause him to fall a little bit. And

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Speaker 3: what happens is if he's got everything else, then he

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Speaker 3: becomes a very attractive option for you. And so as

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Speaker 3: we look at it, you know, some of these things

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Speaker 3: are overblown. You know. You look at the guy's production,

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Speaker 3: you look at his skills, you look at his traits,

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Speaker 3: you look at his mentality. You know, the fact that

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Speaker 3: he plays at BC Okay, maybe that's used against him.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe he doesn't have a great quarterback. Maybe

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Speaker 3: his production isn't what it could have been. So we

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Speaker 3: have to look at it from the lens of Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: he be? And then we look at it we say,

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Speaker 3: but we know we're getting X, Y, and Z and

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Speaker 1: Was Zay Something that stood out to me over the

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Speaker 1: course of the draft weekend. Was you mentioned it During

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Speaker 1: one of the press conferences, Steve Smith spoke very highly

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Speaker 1: think it was at the combine how much like I

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Speaker 1: got the sense in here for you like that like

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Speaker 1: Steve's endorsement of him carried some weight. That that was

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Speaker 1: something that like was as you're putting the puzzle together

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Speaker 1: that was something that mattered.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I would say this like that's a

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Speaker 3: nice little anecdotal story, still a word that I like

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Speaker 3: grand scheme of things, like it's a nice story, but

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Speaker 3: in the end, we're going to make the evaluation. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to have an ex player make the

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Speaker 3: pick for us. You know, Steve liked him on tape.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate Steve. I think he has a great feel

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Speaker 3: for the receiver position. You know, typically what we do

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Speaker 3: in this business is fine players who remind us of ourselves.

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Speaker 3: You know, we all do it in different ways. So

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Speaker 3: I like the scrappy, undersized linebackers, you know, blue collar

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Speaker 3: over rechiever types. Yeah, every scout kind of has. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's a bias that we all have, right, we can

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Speaker 3: always relate to people who remind us of ourselves. And

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Speaker 3: so you know, for Steve, he listen, if this guy

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Speaker 3: plays like Steve Smith, we're gonna be extremely happy. If

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Speaker 3: he's got that dog in him, if he's physical and

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Speaker 3: you know, then we're gonna be ecstatic to get him.

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Speaker 1: Sure, so as the drafts is unfolding, receivers are not

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Speaker 1: flying off the board, which sometimes happens, you know, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, receivers start going. And then at twenty

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Speaker 1: that's when it starts. Seattle takes Jackson Smith, and Jigba

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Speaker 1: went and Johnston goes next, and then of course Zay

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Speaker 1: Flowers comes here. So when Jackson's but then Jigua goes

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Speaker 1: to Seattle, did you think at that point, okay, the

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Speaker 1: run could be on, because it's like the past few years,

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Speaker 1: as soon as one goes it seems like the run starts.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you were thinking when you saw him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's a great question. And you know, one

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Speaker 3: the idea of a run? Does that really truly exist?

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Speaker 3: Is there such a thing analytically as a run. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of like the hot hand in the NBA? Does

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Speaker 3: the hot hand exist? There's motivate does does momentum actually exist?

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Speaker 3: And so it's a fascinating topic that we could delve into.

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Speaker 3: I do think there's something to be said that once

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Speaker 3: And we started to see receivers we see it we've

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Speaker 3: seen in other years. I thought, I think we saw

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Speaker 3: the idea of a panic. Like you, you start to

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Speaker 3: other teams aren't thinking, oh, man, if we want a receiver,

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Speaker 3: we have to draft one right now, because the guys

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Speaker 3: we like are all going to get taken. So there

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Speaker 3: right there. You know, I always felt pretty good about

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Speaker 3: the matter was and is we liked all four of

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Speaker 3: those guys, every single one of them. Every single one

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Speaker 3: of those receivers was a viable option for us in

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Speaker 3: the first round at different points, and maybe some guys

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Speaker 3: we saw all four of those receivers as potential first

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Speaker 2: Interesting them.

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Speaker 4: Scarce that he runs being in the cafeteria on taco

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Speaker 4: Day and somebody hits the guacamole early, yeah, and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know in the back in the old

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Speaker 3: be enough for him. Exactly, it's once that machine ran

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Speaker 3: to your desk.

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Speaker 2: Totally exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's the hour long lunch.

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Speaker 4: This will be part of the of the study, it's

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Speaker 4: the hour long lunch. So did you have a hunch

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Speaker 4: that the Chargers might take Quentin Johnson just because kind

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Did you have kind of a feeling that they might

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not really. I mean Tom tillasco that Gimmy does

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Speaker 3: be looking for an outside guy and inside guy, but

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Speaker 3: historically they have like the bigger receivers the right runners.

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Speaker 3: So I felt like probably one of those three guys

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Speaker 3: made the most sense for them. But you never know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've been been shocked. I go back to

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Speaker 3: the two thousand and six draft and I'd have bet

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Speaker 3: the house that Dante Whitner would have been there when

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Speaker 3: we picked, and he got picked by the Bills. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what pick it was, Yeah, we were picked.

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Speaker 3: It was a year we drafted Hellodi and I felt

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Speaker 3: like Whitner was going to be our safe pick that year.

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Speaker 3: And he got picked, and so you never really know

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Speaker 3: how other teams see players, you know. I remember another

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Speaker 3: this guy will be there for us if we want him. Well,

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Speaker 3: he got picked like five picks before we wanted them

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Speaker 3: in the round. And so that happens every single year.

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Speaker 3: You know, you always again it's kind of a bias,

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Speaker 3: like you think that no one else really likes this

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Speaker 3: they all look at the same tape, right, and they

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Speaker 3: have all got the same type of board, right.

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Speaker 4: So it sounds like you expected Jackson, Smith and jig

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Speaker 4: But to come off. I mean, he was you know,

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Speaker 4: if you're looking at the mock drafts, he was consistently

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Speaker 4: you thought, all right, the Chargers, maybe they go with

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Speaker 3: You know, we had him come in and visit us,

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Speaker 4: Well, there's it's another guy kind of who gets knocked

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Speaker 1: So in your time as GM, you've selected receiver three

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Speaker 3: I think all of the above. You know, we certainly

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Speaker 4: The notion that we haven't invested at wide receiver is

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Speaker 3: You know, I think we haven't, you know, unfortunately, you know, uh,

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Speaker 3: And so you're right, Like I think about it a lot.

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Speaker 1: One more receiver question for me, you know, going into

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Speaker 3: Nobody loves smoke more than.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that that could come off wrong. We're not going

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Speaker 3: Socials, but I tell you, you know, anytime you know

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Speaker 4: Like with Linnenbaum last year in the pre draft press conference,

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Speaker 4: you know, you're like, we take them, you know, whatever,

436
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Speaker 4: the size, whatever, we don't have to take a big

437
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Speaker 4: center or whatever.

438
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Speaker 3: And then and then.

439
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Speaker 4: You took them, and everybody's like, nah, that was that

440
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Speaker 4: smoke screen. No way, They've always taken a big setters.

441
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Speaker 4: Then you take linnen bump.

442
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: Well, so Steve told me a couple of years ago,

443
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Speaker 3: Steve Bushody, we were talking about just the nature of

444
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Speaker 3: a GM and he said, to me, you know, you

445
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 3: don't want to be pigeonholed as being super aggressive making

446
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Speaker 3: a move, but you also don't want to be super conservative.

447
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 3: You should be both at various times. And that really

448
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: resonated with me. And so what I would say, you know,

449
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: extrapolating that to the draft is sometimes I'm going to

450
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Speaker 3: tell the truth. Sometimes I'm gonna lie because if I

451
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: always lie and people I know I'm lying right exactly,

452
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: always tell the truth. People don't know I'm telling the truth, right,

453
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Speaker 3: And so listen. As I said at the start of this,

454
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Speaker 3: I love a good smoke screen as much as anybody.

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Speaker 4: So, speaking of media reports, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported that

456
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Speaker 4: had we not signed Lamar to the contract extension earlier

457
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Speaker 4: in the day that he's hearing from people, the Ravens

458
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Speaker 4: would have considered taking will Levis at number twenty two.

459
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Speaker 4: Is there any truth to that rumor?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean would have considered. I mean I think

461
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Speaker 3: I said, you know in the pre draft luncheon that

462
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Speaker 3: we had quarterbacks in our top thirty two players, so

463
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Speaker 3: we had quarterbacks as first round picks, and so it

464
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Speaker 3: would have really amounted to the board, you know, falling

465
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Speaker 3: the right way and then us making the decision to

466
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Speaker 3: take the QB, which you know, I'm fortunate as the

467
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Speaker 3: GM that I actually am the guy that ranks the players.

468
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Speaker 3: You know, I watch all the players, our reports on

469
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Speaker 3: every single draft pick at a certain level, and I

470
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Speaker 3: ranked the board and as far as I know, now

471
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Speaker 3: I had to talk to a Sheesh, all right, t

472
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Speaker 3: you guy, But as far as I know, no one

473
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Speaker 3: has access to that list except for me, So not

474
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Speaker 3: a Shell. I gotta talk to a she I'm gonna

475
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Speaker 3: have to delve into that. But what I would say is,

476
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Speaker 3: as far as I know, I'm the only guy that

477
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Speaker 3: has access to our list, so I'm the only guy

478
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Speaker 3: that would know that.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, how much did getting a little martal done

480
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Speaker 1: that week that day impact your draft strategy? Like, I mean,

481
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Speaker 1: other than the fact that it was maybe a sigh

482
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Speaker 1: of relief and it was just like, Okay, that huge

483
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: piece of business is done. But how much did it

484
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Speaker 1: affect things going into that weekend?

485
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it provided a sense of clarity for me,

486
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Speaker 3: you know, just to like really be able to focus

487
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Speaker 3: and hone in on those three days you know, making

488
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Speaker 3: the picks. It probably you know, made the receipt of

489
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Speaker 3: the quarterback position less important in the draft, I will

490
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: say that, But in general, I think just my mindset

491
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Speaker 3: of being able to focus. I mean, if you think

492
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Speaker 3: about your own lives and you've you've got say work commitments,

493
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 3: but you've got something personal in your life that's like

494
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 3: a major burden. And we've all had that at some point, right,

495
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Speaker 3: I mean I go back to the the fourteenth season,

496
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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, and my mom was was sick and shad

497
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Speaker 3: cancer and she you know, she ended up passing. But

498
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 3: that season, like I remember virtually almost everything from every season,

499
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Speaker 3: and that season is kind of a blur. Like, I know,

500
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Speaker 3: we made the playoffs. Gary was whether it's offensive coordinator,

501
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 3: you know, it was a great season. Justin forceat right

502
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: had a great year that year. Joe had a great

503
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Speaker 3: year that year. But that year was like I was

504
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: so distracted because you know, no matter what I was

505
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: thinking about going home and getting up to the see

506
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Speaker 3: my parents and spend the time up there, and I

507
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: was constantly just thinking about like the future and what

508
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: that might mean. And so when you can take something

509
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: like Lamar Jackson that's been kind of hovering over this

510
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: franchise for a year and a half and figure that

511
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Speaker 3: out in a way that is exciting to Lamar and

512
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: exciting to the club. Then it just allows you to

513
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Speaker 3: just focus on something that brings you so much joy. Anyways,

514
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 3: and the draft for me and for the scouts is

515
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: really the highlight of the year for us. It's what

516
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Speaker 3: we do. And so being able to finish Lamar's contract

517
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: was a joy, and it came in exactly the right time, right.

518
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Speaker 4: So I like to play the what if game a

519
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: lot when it comes to the draft and pass drafts

520
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: and whatnot. And one big wood iff that came out

521
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Speaker 4: of this draft is what if Trent and Simpson had

522
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Speaker 4: not picked up his phone when you tried to call

523
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Speaker 4: him back after he hung up on you. What if

524
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Speaker 4: he did not see that thing ringing?

525
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Speaker 2: Was he still the pick?

526
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Speaker 4: Or are you like, did you just die of a

527
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: heart attack when you when I first called and I

528
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: got to make sure you're alive? Still? You know what

529
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Speaker 4: was what was going to happen there?

530
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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing that I would say is I'm

531
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Speaker 3: not sure that Trent and Simpson hung up because I

532
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 3: say that because we had two other players that we

533
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: called and the calls dropped and so I'm not sure

534
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: you know, these new phones that would us and you know,

535
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: that could be a whole nother podcast, talk about another

536
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: I want to get into these phones at all. Right, Well,

537
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that there's some questionable behavior by the phones,

538
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: but that'd being the case, you know, with with Trenton,

539
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: the fact that we talked to him and we were

540
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: able to actually ask the Tanny was alive, you know,

541
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Speaker 3: gave me great comfort that we could pick him.

542
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Speaker 1: That that is like that the reason you call them

543
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: is to make sure that everything's good, right, I mean,

544
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: that is like that that matters.

545
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: You need to talk to this It was was not

546
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: going way back, and I think it was the Raiders.

547
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: You guys would have to research it, but I do

548
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: think that Raiders drafted somebody who was dead. Really, I think,

549
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 3: so you have to look it up. I think it

550
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: was the Raiders and it was probably like in the seventies,

551
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 3: they drafted a dead player. Wow, it's probably not a

552
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: great look for the organization. Yeah, yeah, no, you know

553
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 3: so so that's kind of what the joke is, like,

554
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 3: we want to make sure this guy is alive and

555
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: we've talked to him, and you know, we're sure that

556
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: this guy could play football.

557
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: Right, Well, Trent Simpson is alive and he can play football, so.

558
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: Live and well, yeah he's live, and well so.

559
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: How excited were you to get him? And you know

560
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: it seemed like he hit the ground running it at

561
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: rookie mini camp. And what did you really like about him?

562
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Speaker 3: Well, first, you know, he's an explosive player. He's played

563
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: a lot of different roles on their defense, He's used

564
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: a lot. He's a very athletic player. He can cover,

565
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: he can rush, he can blitz, he can play the run.

566
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: He's an outstanding special teams guy. You know, we didn't

567
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: go into the third round thinking, oh, we're going to

568
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: take Trent and Simpson. You know, we had a board

569
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: of there were a lot of good players up there

570
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: still and in the span of about fifteen picks, a

571
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: lot of the players that we coveted were gone, and

572
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: he was the last guy up there that we felt

573
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: was a true legitimate difference maker. You know, people want

574
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: to like jump to conclusions and you know, oh, he's

575
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 3: going to replace Patrick or I can tell you this,

576
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: Patrick Queen had a hell of a year last year.

577
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: And Patrick Queen is a very talented in my mind,

578
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: pro Bowl type linebacker, and he's going to have a

579
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: great year this year, and we want Patrick Queen on

580
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: this team. We want to keep him on this team.

581
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: We will at some point try to get him signed,

582
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: hopefully to an extension if we can. The fifth year

583
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: option was something that was more based on business in

584
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: the economics, the salary cap economics than actually Patrick Queen

585
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: actually his performance and what he does as a player.

586
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: He's a difference maker for us. When we had Patrick

587
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: Queen and Rokwan Smith last year over the last half

588
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: of the season, we had a chance to see how

589
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: dominant our defense could be. So now for us, the

590
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: appealing thing is getting Trenton in here with everything that

591
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: he can do as a blitzer on third downs, off

592
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: the edge, his special team's ability. It's really just us

593
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Speaker 3: adding another fast, physical, smart linebacker to the mix and

594
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: giving our chance on defense to be the best we

595
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: can be.

596
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Speaker 4: Right because I mean the third we had a lot

597
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 4: of action from a third linebacker last year, Like they

598
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: see a fair amount of snaps. So like the prospect

599
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: of those three guys, how athletic all of them are,

600
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: you know that that's really intriguing Plus you've.

601
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: Got to have depth, and you guys are seeing that firsthand.

602
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you lose a quality player, you've got

603
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: to have a quality player at every place, right, And

604
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: so it's never the worst thing to draft the best

605
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: available player. I mean, that's going to be what we

606
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: do here and we feel, you know, and I said

607
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: this recently, it's it's like you know, value investing or

608
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: putting your money into the stock market, Like over time,

609
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: that has proven to be the best way of increasing

610
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: your wealth. And like we look at you know, best

611
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: available player the same way. You know, there's there was

612
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: a there's a thought that you know, drafting need is

613
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: the smartest thing, but what often happens in that situation

614
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: is you draft need and you end up being disappointed

615
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: by the player that is the need at the time

616
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: because his ability doesn't hold him to that same standard.

617
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: So for us looking at it like best available player,

618
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: we know we're getting an impact player. Now, maybe there's

619
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: an impact player in front of him, but over time,

620
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: that best available player is going to play, and when

621
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: he does, we believe you'll be very happy. Right.

622
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: It is kind of crazy.

623
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Speaker 4: He's the first player from Clemson that we took uh

624
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: Zay was the first from BC and then we had

625
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: Kyu was the first from Stanford.

626
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: Is there.

627
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: You know you haven't been You've been like a big

628
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: school kind of guy in your draft history, but none

629
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: of those three schools in our team history.

630
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy.

631
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know there was a linebacker at Colby College

632
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: up in Maine that we were trying to draft, and yeah, Patrick,

633
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: we couldn't get him on the phone, so he had

634
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: to take Trent Simpson instead.

635
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: Maybe next year.

636
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: Maybe next year.

637
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: This is in terms of this is an actual trend

638
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: that I did notice with this this class, and I'm

639
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: curious what you can what you can share about this.

640
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: They seem like good people and you can often say

641
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: that after the fact and you talk to somebody on

642
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: the phone and you say, man, that's a really nice guy.

643
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: But it seems like in talking with these guys just

644
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: a little bit that they seem like they're really good people.

645
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: And I know that that is the personality piece of

646
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: this is something that you spend time working on. Steve Klagett,

647
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, goes through that process. What can you share

648
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: about trying to learn about who these are? Who these

649
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: players are as people and how that affects your draft strategy, right.

650
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: So, you know, Garrett's a good question, and I think

651
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: that's something we've tried to do, not just this year,

652
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: but I think over the last four or five years

653
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: we've really tried to do that, and even before then,

654
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: you know, going back tonight to two thousand and six,

655
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: you know, if you look at that draft class, I mean,

656
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: that's something that's been a priority for us. We really

657
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: do try to stay away generally from the problem children

658
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: of the draft. You know, the risk associated oftentimes comes

659
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: back to bite you in the ass, right, And so

660
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: for us, like the mentality, the drivers to grit, the

661
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: make up, the durability, that pendability, coachability, the pride and

662
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: their craft, the willingness to get to improve, those are

663
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: all things that we look for. And you know, you

664
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: mentioned Steve Klagett. So Steve's a guy that has spent

665
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: a lot of his career studying leadership and personality, and

666
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: he does a great job taking all the information that

667
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: our scouts provide, all the additional testing that we do,

668
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: the interviews, the personal interviews, all the sourcing information that

669
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: we get, collating all that and then you know, along

670
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: with our analytics guys, Derek Yam, Corey Kraiwick, you know,

671
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: basically spitting out a score. We call it a GPA,

672
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: but a score for these players, and that becomes a

673
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: very important part of our evaluation. It's the physical, it's

674
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: the scout grade, but it also becomes the GPA and

675
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: all the other stuff, the durability, all the other stuff

676
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: that we bring in, the medical grades and all those

677
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: things that actually end up dictating where that player is

678
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: going to end up on our draft board.

679
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting.

680
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: You know, we talked a little bit after the draft

681
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 4: about the S two testing and you were talking about how,

682
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: you know, we don't subscribe to these things because we

683
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: can't like to keep it all in house like we've built.

684
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: You know, you've built this whole machine behind scouting. It's

685
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: not just scouts, it's a whole machine to do it ourselves.

686
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: You know what advantage the advantages do you feel like

687
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: that gives us over other teams?

688
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I can't say that we do it

689
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: any better than anybody else, but we certainly do it differently.

690
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: And it goes back to mister Modell and you know,

691
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: coach marsh Broder and Ozzie in those early years, and

692
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 3: we made the decision to to just do everything in house. Yeah,

693
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: you know, we don't subscribe to National Combine Scouting. We

694
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: don't subscribe to Blessed. Oh those are the two scouting services.

695
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: You know, We've always had a scouting staff that was

696
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: probably a little bit bigger than most. We've really tried

697
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: to develop our scouts. As you guys know, you've seen

698
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: a continuity in scouting, and you know, most of our

699
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: guys and women now start with us when they're twenty

700
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 3: four to twenty five years old. We train them over

701
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: a period of time and then we promote, and then

702
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: we promote and we retain, and they really do learn

703
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: the Raven's way, and they understand the culture of the

704
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 3: players that we want, how we do it, the terminology,

705
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: they know, the coaches, they understand the scheme. And I

706
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: would say that like one of the hidden like one

707
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: of the hidden resources that we have here is really

708
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: just the continuity. You know, we've had three head coaches,

709
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: we've had two general managers over the years, and so

710
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: our scouts understand completely what it means to play like

711
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: a Raven and they understand completely what spring scouting is

712
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: fall scouting. The grading scale. A long time ago, I

713
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: made a joke like if I say, if I go

714
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: down to the cafeteria and I come up and I say,

715
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: the soup is a sixty seven, everybody is going to

716
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: run downstairs for the soup because they know what a

717
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: six to seven is. You know what I mean. We

718
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: all speak the same language. Our scouting system, our grading

719
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: scale is like a language that we all understand completely.

720
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: And so you know, for us, we've developed, using analytics,

721
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: going back to twenty twelve, a way of looking at prospects.

722
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: We've developed our grading scale. We've tweaked it. You know,

723
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: it wasn't our scale. Let's started with the Dallas Cowboys

724
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: in the seventies and we've tweaked our scale over the years.

725
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: We've added components, we've added letters and various things. The

726
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: way that we interview players, the process of interviewing what

727
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: we're looking for. We used to interview players and we

728
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 3: would ask the same questions as everybody else, and now

729
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: our questions are totally different because we're looking for specific answers.

730
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: Different from other teams.

731
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: Are different from prospect to prospectors.

732
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: No, I would say more so from from other teams,

733
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 3: but just different from the way that we used to

734
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: ask questions. So we might have asked a question, you know,

735
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: years ago, you know, what are your best three games?

736
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: We don't really care that that question means nothing to

737
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: us because we can figure out what is best three games.

738
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: We might have asked a question, you know, back then,

739
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: have you ever been in trouble or you've been arrested,

740
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: or you know, talk about your family. We have all

741
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: that information generally, so we're trying to figure out. So

742
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: a question we might ask might be like, okay, Garrett,

743
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: when you think about yourself as a as a as

744
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: a writer, say okay, what's your biggest weakness? And so

745
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: then you'll you'll you'll say to me, well, you know,

746
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: I use you know, I used too many adjectives, I

747
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: don't use enough comments.

748
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: Whatever that doesn't know how to punctuate the same is

749
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: rated there you.

750
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: Go, okay, so you don't even know you don't even

751
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: know when to use the semi colon. Okay. So then

752
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: I would tell okay, so what have you done. Here's

753
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: the second part of that question, what have you done

754
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: to fix that?

755
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I just make Ryan edit.

756
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: Counts on a good editor and you have failed to test.

757
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 4: You are not being drafted by the Baltihare Ravens.

758
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 3: So those are the kind of questions that we ask

759
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: now aimed at more like figuring out does this prospect

760
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: take pride in this craft? Is he disciplined? Is he organized?

761
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 3: Is he a team player? You know, you know, who's

762
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 3: the best leader on your team? And why okay self

763
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: for winds, what might your teammates say about you? And

764
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: don't give me something good, give me something bad. You know,

765
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: Like those kind of questions have changed the landscape of

766
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: interviewing a lot, because we used to try to ask

767
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: questions where they were like legitimate, like facts and you know,

768
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: background information, and we kind of found out over the

769
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: years that that was kind of meaningless in the overall

770
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: prediction of the player. We're trying to figure out more,

771
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: you know, the grit of the prospect, the mentality, the drivers,

772
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: what motivates these guys, How do they see themselves, do

773
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: they have emotional intelligence? Are they self aware? Things like that,

774
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: Those questions and answers end up being much more predictive

775
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: than the questions we asked five, ten, fifteen years ago.

776
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: Interesting, So we want to take up too much more

777
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: of your time.

778
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: But do you have one about Tavis Robinson that I

779
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: was curious about, you know, his background from Canada and

780
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: being a transfer and being kind of a big time transfer.

781
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of the big programs are looking

782
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: at him, not just Ole Miss. You know, we have

783
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: kind of a history of drafting guys I feel like

784
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: from maybe community colleges that like blew up and were

785
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 4: big time transfers into big programs and whatnot. Is how

786
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: far back did Tavius come on to our radar? And

787
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: is that an area where once again you see value,

788
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 4: Like here's a player with a high upside. He maybe

789
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: is a little bit of a late bloomer because they're

790
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: coming the Juco route or whatnot, but we feel like, hey,

791
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: they flash, they they can play at that high level

792
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: and now projecting what they can be in the NFL

793
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: and there's a real opportunity to hear.

794
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's a really interesting story with Tavia. So

795
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: he really goes back to our old special teams coach

796
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: Jerry Rosberg. And so you know, Jerry's son, Jared, is

797
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: a hockey player, and so years ago, you know, Jerry

798
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: said to me, hey, there's a goalie in Ottawa. This

799
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: kid's unbelievable. He's a six foot five, two hundred and

800
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: fifteen pound goalie and he's gonna revolutionize hockey. Like they

801
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: can't get the puck pass. And I'm a big hockey guy, Okay,

802
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: you know, I'm big Bruins guy. So sure enough I

803
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: look him up and his name is is Tavius Robinson.

804
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: And you know, he's got a huge wingspan and he's

805
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: literally just plucking the ball out of the air and

806
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: they can't get the puck by him. And I was like, man,

807
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: this guy would be a freaky outside linebacker. Next thing

808
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: you know, he ends up you know, at Ole Miss

809
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: and the rest is history.

810
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

811
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: So when you when you see him at ole Miss,

812
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: are you like, is that the is that the goalie?

813
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: Like you knew?

814
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: Like you do? Yeah, I saw Mac. I know who

815
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: that is. You know.

816
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: That's great. So when did Jerry first bring that up?

817
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: He didn't. I made the whole story up.

818
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: Has to be a hockey player.

819
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 1: This is this, This is why, this is why there's

820
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: so much smoke around us on draft. I'm questioning everything

821
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: because you can never tell what's true. And I never

822
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: want to play poker with you. Never want to play

823
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: poker with you.

824
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: I know that much. That's hilarious, But no, I think

825
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: it's interesting, interesting background, you know. You know, for us,

826
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: we just look at the tape and we saw him

827
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: at ol Miss and uh, we saw the traits, the length,

828
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: the speed, the motor. The one thing about Tavi is

829
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: that really I think when you watch him, you see

830
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: how a hearty plays. And when we think about guys

831
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: that have played that position for us, the uh, you know,

832
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: Trrell Suggs is of the world, and there's a Darius

833
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 3: Smith's and guys like that, the effort is something that

834
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: really kind of always shows up time and time and

835
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: time again that Jarret Johnson's of the world. We think

836
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: about those guys at those positions and that motor and

837
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: the competitiveness really kind of jumps off the tape and

838
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: uh and with Robinson we see those same qualities. Right.

839
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: So, are you familiar with the Daniel Jeremiah eating paper story?

840
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: No?

841
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So Daniel Jeremiah said, we had him

842
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 4: on the podcast and he said, if the Ravens make

843
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: only five picks, I'll eat a piece of paper live

844
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: on television during the draft, like, there's no way.

845
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: That they're only picking five guys.

846
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: And generally he was probably meeting they would trade back

847
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: in the first round. That was get more, get more picks,

848
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: right exactly. And so you make five picks, you do

849
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: your draft recap press conference, everyone's like, all right, it's.

850
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Fine, Yeah, we're excited.

851
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: We take that clip from when he was on the podcast.

852
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: We tweeted out, tweeted it. Daniel Jeremiah in the NFL network,

853
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: they're talking about it. You know, on set we come

854
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: up a year, we're doing the recap episode of the Lounge,

855
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, chaos breaks and we

856
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: have to run back downstairs because you trade back into

857
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: the seventh round and take Andrew Vorhees. So how much

858
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: of were you just trying to throw your buddy Daniel

859
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: Jeremiah a bone here and keep him from having to

860
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: eat paper on set?

861
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 3: But I will say we did have a little fun

862
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: with it, because, you know, Varhees was a guy that

863
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: that I had seen and kind of admired, and he's

864
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: a heck of a player, and I felt like there

865
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: might be an opportunity for us to potentially trade back

866
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: in to get him and that was my kind of

867
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: in the back of my mind a plan that we

868
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: were going to do, and I tried to hint that out,

869
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: that that we were going to take some extra players,

870
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: potentially five players, I think, and I said at one point,

871
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: we're gonna have draft five good players and then they

872
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, in the press conference. So normally we would

873
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: probably do the press conference when we're done. You know,

874
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: I knew that we weren't done, and I thought would

875
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: be kind of fun because I still felt like, you know,

876
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: the media, they just couldn't. They were surprised and they

877
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: were like, oh, you guys didn't make any trades. And

878
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: so I was making jokes with Chad beforehand. I'm like,

879
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: they're going to ask me about these trades, and I said,

880
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: they're gonna be really surprised because I'm going to make

881
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: a trade. You know, I'm going to go down there

882
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: and they're going to think the draft is over and

883
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: then we're going to jump back in. And so that's

884
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: why if you if you watch that press conference, I

885
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: don't remember exactly what I said, but I said, but

886
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: you know, you never know, you know, basically, like you

887
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: never know.

888
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: I just took them as a throwaway line.

889
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: It was my question I asked you was like the

890
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: last question of the press covers. I was like, how

891
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: does it feel that everybody thought you were going to

892
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 4: make more than five picks but you didn't and you

893
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 4: you were smirking. I noticed answer question.

894
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: And then I was also, if you know, it's looking

895
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 3: at the TV the whole time when I wasn't speaking,

896
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: because there's the TV in front right right, because I

897
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: was hoping, like hell that Voarhes would still be there,

898
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: and I was really worried that he was going to

899
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: get picked while we were doing that press conference. So

900
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: what happened was we I went upstairs and I felt

901
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: like there were a couple of teams that multiple picks

902
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: and they would probably wanted to trade one of them

903
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 3: to us for the discount next year, and they weren't

904
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: willing to do it. And then I was like, well,

905
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: you know, I think the Browns would probably do it.

906
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: And people thought that was weird, but it's really not

907
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: weird that we would trade with the Browns. So their

908
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: GM Andrew Berry, he's a smart guy, and he's an

909
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: analytics got a little bit of an analytics background, and

910
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: so the analytics community loves those trades for next year

911
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: because you get the discount on the pick. So we

912
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: got their seventh this year and we gave up our

913
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: sixth next year, so they're looking at that as a win.

914
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: I mean, in theory, if you think about a seventh

915
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: round pick this year, it's kind of like the same

916
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: value as a seventh round pick next year. Right, you

917
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: a hundred dollars this year, You're gonna give you a

918
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: hundred dollars back next year, right, So that's kind of

919
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: like the thought process. But analytics people, they love the

920
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: idea that you can give up a pick this year

921
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: and get a better pick next year. So Andrew was

922
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: really happy to do it. They probably didn't have a

923
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: player that they coveted in the seventh and they see

924
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: it as a great opportunity they get a better pick

925
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: next year. So we were able to do it. We

926
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 3: called her Andrew, he hung up on us so got

927
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: disconnected phone conspiracy, But we were going to take him,

928
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: and he was excited and happy, and you know, he

929
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: and his wife are really looking forward to coming out east.

930
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: And he's a guy that we think is a potential

931
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 3: starter for us over time. Very very physical, tough, gritty,

932
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: smart guy, a good body on him, and we think

933
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: he has a chance to compete as a starter pretty

934
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: early on when he comes back.

935
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 4: If he didn't tear his acl at the combine, where

936
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: do you think he probably goes?

937
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: Oh, man, I don't know. I think probably mid rounds, third, fourth,

938
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: you know, somewhere in there.

939
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: And you got to say DJ from meeting a piece

940
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: of paper, so everybody wins.

941
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, boom, there you go.

942
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: And you got to make me look like a fool exact,

943
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 4: so it's really perfect.

944
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: But they showed you guys on on the screen when

945
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: the pit was annaulyced. I mean, you were laughing hysterically

946
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: and we were sitting next to each other. I was like,

947
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: they're laughing at you currently right now up there they're

948
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: saying make said that we were going to make a trade.

949
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: It's like you know, you said, sometimes he tells the truth,

950
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: sometimes he lies, so you can never truly the difference.

951
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: It is true. Well, Eric, thank you very much for

952
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: joining us.

953
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, thank you so much.

954
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Well, big thanks to Eric Takosa for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: That was really funny. I mean Eric's hilarious.

969
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, you know you never know what's believe it,

970
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 4: and he does keep you on your toes like that

971
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 4: just shows you, I mean legitimately. The DeAndre Hopkins smoke

972
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: threw me off and affected my pick because like we've

973
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: I've been saying, you know, I love Zay, and I

974
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 4: was like, I think the Ravens really like Zay. Yeah,

975
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 4: and I love him and I would love to pick him,

976
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: and it's it's really eaten at me that I didn't

977
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 4: end up doing it because I let the DeAndre Hopkins

978
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: smoke influence me and go first round corner right, and

979
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: and that's Eric. I'm just the puppet and Eric is

980
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: the puppet.

981
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: Just over you're dancing.

982
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, uh so, yeah, he's That's one reason that

983
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: he's really good at his job.

984
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. A couple of things that stood out to me

985
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: and talking with him. One, I think this is the

986
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: inside baseball stuff, but I feel like the personality stuff

987
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: is an interesting just hearing their thought process on that.

988
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's something that we you know, behind the

989
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: scenes here see you know, just that's been a staff

990
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: and like you talked about the machine that's been built

991
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, and to hear some insight into that

992
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: process I found fascinating. Also, clearly, you know, he talked

993
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: about Patrick Queen and the fifth year option and how

994
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: he views Patrick Queen as someone who's going to be

995
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: a really important this year and beyond. Yeah, by no

996
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: means is not picking up the fifth year option an

997
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: indication that this is it for him and the Ravens

998
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: are moving on from him. Quite the contrary Ravens want

999
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: him here this year and hopefully beyond. And so I

1000
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: think that was a pretty newsworthy element there.

1001
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

1002
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 4: And just the insights on the whole wide receiver class

1003
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: and Zay was really the guy that they wanted all along.

1004
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: They felt like they were going to get him because

1005
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 4: other teams were kind of discounting them because of his size.

1006
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: Just the kind of the way they sized up the

1007
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 4: wide receiver board there was interesting, I thought.

1008
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, hearing that they could have traded

1009
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: back into you know, early in the second round, you know,

1010
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: that would have totally changed the caliber of the player

1011
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: that the Raves were getting, which and then also like

1012
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: these receivers who we spent so much time talking about,

1013
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, Zay Flowers, Jackson Smith and Jigba Quentin Johnson,

1014
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: all those guys would have been gone. And so you're

1015
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: looking at, you know, a much different player at that spot.

1016
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm certainly excited that they ended up

1017
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: taking Day.

1018
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: Well what's also interesting, you know, my guy Deontay Banks,

1019
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 4: he didn't really uh give me a whole lot of

1020
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 4: faith that Deontay Banks was going to be the guy.

1021
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: You know, he kind of said like it sounded like

1022
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 4: Forbes was almost the player they expected would be there

1023
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: at twenty two, almost like, you know, for lack of

1024
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 4: better term, the safe pit. Sure, like he's talked about

1025
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 4: in previous drafts that Forbes would probably be there, you know,

1026
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 4: if Zay wasn't, they could take Forbes. Yeah, and not

1027
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 4: necessarily Deontay Banks, that guy, you know, Forbes was the

1028
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 4: not the first corner off? Was he the first corner

1029
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 4: Weatherspoon Witherspoon was right is to Seahawks.

1030
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then it took a while.

1031
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: Christian Gozalz went a.

1032
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales went way later than people expected, So I

1033
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: think Forbes went before him, right, I think he was

1034
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: after right after any either way, Forbes went higher than

1035
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people expected. So then the

1036
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 4: safe pick was off the board. So then it was

1037
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 4: kind of for the Ravens. We don't know exactly how

1038
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 4: they felt about Deonte Banks, but I think that kind

1039
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 4: of made getting Zay even more important, you know, And

1040
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: so that was really interesting as well.

1041
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so send us your reaction, your thoughts, your questions.

1042
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: After listening to Eric, you can emails the lounge at

1043
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Ravens dot NFL dot Net. We have a bunch of

1044
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: really good emails that have come to us over the

1045
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: past week or so. This one comes to us from

1046
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: John Stremos as a loha, Ryan and Garrett. I feel

1047
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: like the stars are aligning for Lamar Jackson in a

1048
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: way that puts him in position to have an MVP

1049
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: caliber season even better than twenty nineteen. That's tough, Okay,

1050
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to get ahead of myself here, but

1051
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: clearly you're not doing a very good job at that. John,

1052
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: You're already signing him up for another unanimous MVP. But

1053
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: it's hard not to get excited about all the weapons

1054
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: we have and to see a landscape of excellence on

1055
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: the horizon. Do you think we're in position have a

1056
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: better season than twenty nineteen when Lamar won MVP. This

1057
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: is the most excited I've been in the last three seasons,

1058
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: and I'm curious if I'm alone in that assessment.

1059
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 4: Well, twenty nineteen is a really high bar to set

1060
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 4: for the team n for Lamar Jackson. I mean, fourteen

1061
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: to two, that's a really high bar, you know. I

1062
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 4: think the Ravens are going to be one of the

1063
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: best teams in the NFL and in the AFC. I think,

1064
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 4: you know, if I'm a betman reaching fourteen to two,

1065
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: I'd probably say that's that's gonna be.

1066
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: Tough to hearty, that's lofty.

1067
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: That's lofty.

1068
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 4: Also with Lamar, I don't think you really should compare

1069
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: it to twenty nineteen because that was such a unique year.

1070
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 4: I mean, the Ravens rolled out you know this, they

1071
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: kind of debuted a little bit at the back end

1072
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: of twenty eighteen, but really with Greg Roman in his

1073
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: first full year as coordinator, rolled out this revolutionary style

1074
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: offense that took the league by storm, and Lamar took

1075
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 4: the league by storm, and you know, obviously the rushing

1076
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 4: record and all that stuff. It'll be a different season

1077
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 4: this year for Lamar Jackson than it was in twenty nineteen.

1078
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: Do I think he can be just as effective in

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Speaker 4: a different way and be an MVP candidate slash front runner. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent. Yes, I think Lamar Jackson could one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent win the MVP. Certainly, he'll I expect him

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Speaker 4: to be in that conversation, I mean.

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Speaker 2: But it'll look a lot different. He'll throw for more yards.

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Speaker 4: I expect that he'll run for fewer you know, really,

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Speaker 4: the touchdowns interceptions in twenty nineteen were a big reason

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Speaker 4: in that in his success.

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Speaker 2: Can he replicate that? Sure? I think he can. For sure.

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Speaker 4: Again, it's a lofty that's a lofty bar. He led

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Speaker 4: the league in touchdowns passes. You know, that's hard to replicate. Again,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of good quarterbacks out there. But I

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Speaker 4: think that Lamar is primed and set up for a

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Speaker 4: career year that'll just look different than twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that this team is going to be

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Speaker 1: one of the best teams in the league. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: I agree with basically everything that you just said. I

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Speaker 1: think that in term to answer John's question, should you

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Speaker 1: be this excited? Yeah, I think you should be. I

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Speaker 1: think yes. I mean, I think that the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: a legitimate Super Bowl contender. I think they're going to

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Speaker 1: be one of the best teams in the league. I

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Speaker 1: think they have all the pieces to be incredibly fun

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Speaker 1: to watch every single week. They just made Lamar the

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Speaker 1: highest PAI player in NFL history for a reason, all right,

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Speaker 1: So they believe in him. They want him to be

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Speaker 1: a player that's an MVP candidate every single year, and

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Speaker 1: I think that with Lamar. When Lamar's been here and

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Speaker 1: Lamar's been healthy, the Ravens have been a playoff team

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Speaker 1: every single year, and I expect them to be a

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Speaker 1: playoff team and then something this year. That would be

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Speaker 1: my guess, you know, as we're sitting here recording this

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Speaker 1: in May. But I think they've got all the pieces.

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Speaker 1: Lamar is a great player, and I think the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have a really good season in their future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: All right, here's another email. This one comes from Todd Wasserman.

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Speaker 4: He says, now, the offense looks awesome with Lamar back

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Speaker 4: and with all the new additions. Let's examine the defense.

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Speaker 4: Last year, the defense was great and at times dominating.

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Speaker 4: But I need some convincing for this year's defense. With

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Speaker 4: the loss of Klass Campbell, Marcus Peters, and Chuck Clark,

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Speaker 4: how can the d be at the same level. Well,

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Speaker 4: let's just say, first of all, you know, we haven't

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Speaker 4: lost Marcus Peters. He's still a free agent.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Eric Ticasa even said he wouldn't rule out or John

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Speaker 4: Harball said he would not rule out the possibility that

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Speaker 4: the Ravens still add another veteran cornerback, whether that's Marcus

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Speaker 4: or not, you know, who knows, but he's still available.

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Speaker 4: It's an option potentially. But I'm not worried about the

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Speaker 4: defense in the fact that A I think that Rakya

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Speaker 4: Sin is a really good signing that probably hasn't been

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Speaker 4: we haven't talked about enough, even you know, uh stepping

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Speaker 4: in for Marcus Peters, who you know, Marcus coming off

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Speaker 4: the knee injury last year had some limitations that he

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Speaker 4: even said, you know, and so is a younger potentially

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Speaker 4: help the year.

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Speaker 2: Rokya Sin.

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Speaker 4: How does that, you know, play up to Marcus Peters, Well,

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Speaker 4: the Marcus Peters of last year, the Marcus Peters before

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Speaker 4: than the injury, two different players kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: Marcus even said he didn't really trust his instincts fully

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Speaker 4: last year.

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Speaker 2: So I guess that's.

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Speaker 4: My way of saying, I don't know that the Ravens

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Speaker 4: have taken some big step down at cornerback, you know.

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Speaker 4: Plus you have to factor in Jellen Armor. Davis has

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Speaker 4: a year under his belt. Now, he didn't get a

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Speaker 4: lot of action as a rookie, but you know, he's

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Speaker 4: has NFL experience. He's been in the NFL for over year,

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Speaker 4: you know, Pepe Williams, the same they drafted Kyu Blue Kelly.

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Speaker 4: I think that they certainly have more depth and young

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Speaker 4: kind of improving developing options there than they had last

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Speaker 4: year when he had two fourth round rookies.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 4: Now you have two fourth you know, two sophomores coming

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Speaker 4: in and a talented guy in Kyu Blue Kelly. So,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think they're done necessarily at cornerback, as

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Speaker 4: we said, they could still add somebody. So I think

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Speaker 4: they'll have improved depth at corner which will help them.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think that it's a big step down

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Speaker 4: from Marcus or any step down potentially from Marcus to

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Speaker 4: Rakya Sin Yeah, you know, so I'm not too worried

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Speaker 4: about corner Khalais Campbell. Yes, that's a loss on the

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Speaker 4: defensive line. They did not draft a defensive lineman. I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't rule out the possibility of signing some kind of veteran,

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Speaker 4: another veteran D lineman, kind of edge slash D lineman guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, that wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Shock me moving forward, I think you're going to sign

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Speaker 1: an edge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll definitely sign an edge. I think the question

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Speaker 4: is more whether it's a D lineman. But again, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's kind of you have these young players that are

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Speaker 4: growing and ascending and they're going to get more opportunities.

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Speaker 4: You know, you look at Travis Jones, who were all

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Speaker 4: really excited to get in the third round last year.

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Speaker 4: More opportunities for him, you know, justin Mattabeeka, more time

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Speaker 4: for him.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, I don't want to sugarcoat it.

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Speaker 4: The loss not having Klais Campbell here stinks, you know,

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Speaker 4: from on the field and off the fielderspective. But I

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Speaker 4: guess I'm not also super concerned about the D line.

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Speaker 4: Like Michael Pierce, they didn't have him practically all year

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Speaker 4: last year. Let's he's gonna be back healthy. Let's assume

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Speaker 4: let's hope that he plays all year. That's a major

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Speaker 4: upgrade over what last year's D line was. Yeah, right, So,

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Speaker 4: like I'm also not concerned about their their ability to

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Speaker 4: stop the run either, And I think Kalayis's sack production,

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Speaker 4: his pass rush ability hopefully can be made up for

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Speaker 4: in you know, the sension of David Jabo, you know,

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Speaker 4: an FAO way, there's kind of guys, Ties Bowser's now

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Speaker 4: a year healthier after the Achilles. You know, his sack

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Speaker 4: production really dipped. I would expect that would go back up.

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Speaker 4: So like I also, you know, pass rusher as it

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Speaker 4: stands now is probably the biggest need, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Raves a gonna ad a pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: right would not shock me at all if one of

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Speaker 1: these days, you know, you get the transaction comes through

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Speaker 1: with the Ravens have signed justin Houston, like they they

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Speaker 1: waited last year in the Pross. This would not shock

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Speaker 1: me if he were to come back here to Baltimore

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Speaker 1: again and sign late in the process like he's done

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Speaker 1: the last two years. They could also go and get

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Speaker 1: another veteran pass rusher. They did it last year at

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Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul. He's still on the market too, so

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Speaker 1: they could go dip into their toes into those waters again,

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Speaker 1: and I think that they will at some point. I

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Speaker 1: feel good about the defense. They got the best inside

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Speaker 1: linebacker tandem in the league. They have a really good

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Speaker 1: secondary still.

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Speaker 4: I think Arlo Humphrey one of the best corners, Marcus

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Speaker 4: Williams great safety. Right, Kyle Hamilton coming off a fantastic

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Speaker 4: rookie year. Now you know he's shifting changing positions a

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Speaker 4: little bit, but that's what he's played his whole life,

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Speaker 4: so I don't expect him to have any issues.

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Speaker 2: Really. I think it comes down to pass rusher right now.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, it's kind of the biggest remaining need

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Speaker 4: and something that we haven't talked about a lot, is

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Speaker 4: who's the third corner? Like I think Rocky Sin's going

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Speaker 4: to be one of the top three. I expect it

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Speaker 4: he'll probably be the starting outside corner oppos in Marlon

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Speaker 4: Humphrey if I'm handicapping it right now.

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Speaker 2: Who's that other guy? Is that Brandon Stevens? You know?

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Speaker 4: John Harball said that he's really focusing on safety, but

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Speaker 4: that doesn't necessarily mean he can't be the third corner

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Speaker 4: in the slot either. That's what Kyle Hamilton that did

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Speaker 4: last year and he was a safety, right So is

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Speaker 4: Brandon Stevens that kind of third corner who plays inside?

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Speaker 2: There is that Pepe? You know?

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Speaker 4: I don't expected Hillen arma Davis. He's more of an

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Speaker 4: outside guy. That's what he was at Alabama. I don't

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Speaker 4: think that he would probably playing the slot. Right now,

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Speaker 4: I probably say it's Brandon Stevens or Pepe with Kayu

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Speaker 4: pushing them.

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Speaker 1: I would agree.

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Speaker 4: I think that's probably the one of the bigger question

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Speaker 4: marks right now.

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Speaker 1: On the defense, yeah, I agree with how that would

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Speaker 1: probably break down. Yeah, But even with those questions, like

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Speaker 1: I just I still feel really good about the defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not really that concern. I think this offense

1241
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: is going to take a big leap up, and as

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Speaker 1: I just said a few minutes ago, I think this

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Speaker 1: team is gonna be one of the best in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely expect So. So anyway, thank you for listening.

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