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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week eight Giants hangout brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Chris Strawn. My name is Madelin Burke, alongside Russ

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Speaker 1: Salzburg and Matt Sytek and guys. Not the season the

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Speaker 1: Giants would have hoped for so far. Coming off a

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Speaker 1: tough division loss against the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: One of the.

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Speaker 1: Glaring things that head coach Brian Dable pointed out after

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Speaker 1: the game was that, you know, the Giants are kind

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Speaker 1: of still in need Matt for some explosive plays this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: I mean last week against the Eagles, the longest play

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Speaker 3: was only fourteen yards, and this came one week after

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Speaker 3: against the Bengals the longest play was fifteen yards. Now,

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Speaker 3: as an offense, you don't want to solely rely on

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Speaker 3: those big explosive plays to be able to move the

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Speaker 3: ball down the field, but you need to incorporate them

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Speaker 3: in the offense to help get everything else going.

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Speaker 2: You know, it helps get the run.

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Speaker 3: Game going when as the respect the threat of a

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Speaker 3: deep play, it helps even get the short and intermediate.

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Speaker 2: Routes, those sort of passes going. So getting some.

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Speaker 3: Explosive plays back into the mix of this offense has

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Speaker 3: got to be one of the.

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Speaker 2: Top priority to Monday's matchup.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, believe me, I agree with that, and

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Speaker 4: it has to be done across the board. But while

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Speaker 4: we're talking about explosive plays twenty eight to three, as

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Speaker 4: you mentioned, you know we need for explosive players on offense.

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Speaker 4: We need to but it's not just that we need

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Speaker 4: to have better blocking. You can't have your quarterback sacked

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Speaker 4: eight times. Now, we understand Andrew Thomas went down, but

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Speaker 4: you know this is the NFL. It's next man up.

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Speaker 4: We need to get first downs. When a guy catches

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Speaker 4: the ball, he can't be two yards short of the marker.

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Speaker 4: He's got got to be at least within one yard

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Speaker 4: of the market. So maybe it can be a third

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Speaker 4: or fourth and one. There are so many things across

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Speaker 4: the board that really need improvement, and god, guys have

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Speaker 4: to be able ball. But listen, I'm not taking anything

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Speaker 4: away then moving to defense, taking anything away from our

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Speaker 4: dearly departed saque Arkley. But talk about need for explosive plays.

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Speaker 4: They just allowed two hundred and sixty nine yells on

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Speaker 4: the ground. That can't happen, and all of you heard

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Speaker 4: Lawrence after the game. It's got to be eleven men.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's got to do their job. This has to be

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Speaker 4: improvement across the board.

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Speaker 2: So the pass rush is still doing its job.

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Speaker 3: But as we discussed, it's it takes an attire all

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Speaker 3: eleven guys to do it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't just.

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Speaker 3: Having a great pass rush doesn't make up for the

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Speaker 3: fact that your run defense, maybe not is not playing

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Speaker 3: up to par. Now, you spoke about Saqua before. He

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Speaker 3: obviously had an amazing game, but when you look at

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Speaker 3: his I believe he had like six seventeen runs. If

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Speaker 3: you look at all seventeen runs, the Giants did a

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Speaker 2: On fourteen of those runs. He had.

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Speaker 3: On fourteen runs he combined for I believe it was

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Speaker 3: forty one or forty two yards. The issue was the

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Speaker 3: other three runs went for.

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Speaker 4: Eighty yards years forty yards. That's exactly what I said

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Speaker 4: while we were talking about the need for Giants offense

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Speaker 4: explosive plays. We have to stop on defense the explosive plays.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was talking about. You can stop

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Speaker 4: them fourteen out of seventeen times, but if the other

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Speaker 4: three times are going for one hundred yards, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: do you any good. And you know, talking about Decks. Listen,

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Speaker 4: let's be frank. The team is two and five and

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Speaker 4: right now, dex To Lawrence is the defensive player of

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Speaker 4: the season in the National Football League. But you know what,

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Speaker 4: if you talk to Decks, he doesn't care about his sacks.

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Speaker 4: If the team is giving up those yards, it's got

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Speaker 4: to be a complete what do you call a complimentary

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Speaker 4: football in all facets of the game. And believe me,

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Speaker 4: you can see Brian Daviles face, you can see the

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Speaker 4: owner's face, you can see everybody's face when they were

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Speaker 4: leaving the stadium. That has to improve across the board.

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Speaker 1: I mean even in training camp, I remember Dexter Lawrence talking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this man's not shy of understanding how good

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Speaker 1: something to the effect of, listen, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be alone at the Pro Bowl, you know, and like

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Speaker 1: so he's not alone at the Pro Bowl, so that

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Speaker 1: other Giants players are also playing at that same level.

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Speaker 1: And we have a lot of success in individual spots,

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Speaker 1: but it's about putting it together as a collective unit

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Speaker 1: consistently because it's you know, we've seen at times this

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Speaker 1: a successful outcome. Look at the way things went in Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: look at the way things went in Seattle. It's possible.

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Speaker 1: It's just not consistent yet. And when you look at

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Speaker 1: the consistency, the need for consistency, especially heading into a

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Speaker 1: we talked about the explosive plays needing to get going

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Speaker 1: where to use each of these guys, and both Singletary

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Speaker 1: see the Giants kind of igniting this run game moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think for starters it's going to help. We

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Speaker 3: don't know exactly who the offensive line starters are going

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Speaker 3: least will help that it's the same five guys working

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Speaker 3: earlier the loss of Andrew Thomas. It cannot be understated

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Speaker 3: how big that is, how big of a blow that

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Speaker 3: and you know, if it's Joshua Zudu again at left tackle,

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Speaker 3: whoever is out there, they need to work as a

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, forcing mistackles yards after contact. Those

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Speaker 3: So it's gonna take the guys up front working as

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Speaker 2: And also just to go back to the explosive plays.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're everything we're talking about now makes sense,

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Speaker 4: But getting even away from the stats, it's still football.

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Speaker 4: It's running, it's passing, it's tackling, it's catching the ball.

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Speaker 4: And when we talk about complementary football, listen, was there

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Speaker 4: It's a long trip, it's all of the above. Their

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Speaker 4: twelve man the Giants go there without elite neighbors. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they go there without singletary and what do they do?

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Speaker 4: then I don't know what's happened since then. Yes, we

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Speaker 4: know about Andrew Thomas, but it's just listen, I'm not

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Speaker 4: there every day. But you know it's I know I'm

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Speaker 4: saying to talk to we're blue in the face. It's

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Speaker 4: just that consistency they have to. You know, you hear

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Speaker 4: the players themselves say complimentary football, complementary football, and we're

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Speaker 4: not seeing that. Thus, we're seeing what's going on at

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Speaker 4: home and that's not good and that has to improve.

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Speaker 1: Right and you know, and again at home on the road,

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Speaker 1: wherever it is, when you've got a Monday at football

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Speaker 1: game on the horizon, bright lights, everyone's watching, and you're

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Speaker 1: going against the Steelers team on Monday night in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: who's coming off a primetime win in Sunday Night Football.

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Speaker 1: The first time Russell Wilson has started at quarterback this season.

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields got the team through the first six weeks,

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Speaker 1: four and two record. Russell Wilson comes in at first.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's looking like you know, I remember watching

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Speaker 1: they mounted a comeback win.

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Speaker 2: We saw that.

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Speaker 1: Moon ball on full display, as Chris Collinsworth calls it,

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Speaker 1: just that high arching deep pass. But also Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: eleven and five on Monday Night Football in his career,

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Speaker 1: the fourth highest win percentage of a quarterback on Monday

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Speaker 1: Night Football since two thousand and then Daniel Jones, who

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Speaker 1: has struggled to throw touchdowns in primetime and hasn't had

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Speaker 1: seven games in primetime. So when you look at this

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Speaker 1: match on the road with a terrible towels waving, Matt,

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Speaker 1: what stands.

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Speaker 3: Out to you, what says out to me is, you know,

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Speaker 3: Russ was just talking about how tough it is to

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Speaker 3: I would put it right up there, Nearth.

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Speaker 4: Almost just as bad, Matt.

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Speaker 3: You're right, yeah, So this is going to be a very,

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Speaker 3: very tough and hostile environment for the Giants, and we

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Speaker 3: just honestly, the most important thing is to go back

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Speaker 3: to what Russ said complimentary football.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what the best way to help your defense

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Speaker 3: Your own defense off of the field by sustaining drives.

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Speaker 3: And now that's going to be tough to do against

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Speaker 3: the Steelers defense. I mean, the Steelers defense is one

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Speaker 3: which you know that's going to make it a little

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Speaker 3: you mix in maybe a deep shot as some explosive

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Speaker 3: a little bit, and you can't just you know, stack

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna take on offense.

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Speaker 3: It's going to take complimentary football, as Russell mentioned, the

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Speaker 2: Everyone needs to bring their a game in this game.

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Speaker 3: And on defense, you know, the switch to Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 3: it does kind of switch up the Pittsburgh offense a

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Speaker 3: little bit because with Justin Fields under center, he is more.

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Speaker 2: Of a mobile quarterback that is a threat to run with.

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Speaker 3: The football, and I would say not as strong of

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Speaker 3: a passer as Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson certainly has some

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Speaker 3: who can still throw the ball. So now that Russell

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Speaker 3: Wilson's under center, the Steels passing game looked a lot

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Speaker 3: better on Sunday Night against the Jets, which is another

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Speaker 2: Of the ball to do on Sunday night.

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Speaker 4: after Daniel Jones. That's why it's imperative, imperative for the

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Well, again we're repeating ourselves people, and I know that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially against the Pittsburgh defense. It's allowing just fourteen

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a matchup. And I think that

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Speaker 4: Well, I think of you know, to call it a

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Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, just looking up both of these teams,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's like what we were talking about

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Speaker 4: So you know that has to be done. But you know, Matt,

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Speaker 4: And I've argued that. I even said that last week

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Speaker 4: But you know what, if you're making ninety nine out

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, you know, the one thing I

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Speaker 3: The only thing I will say is that the going

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, along with everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And the next opportunity, the most important opportunity,

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