1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Jetty, and he. 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty Strong Happy Thanksgiving. It's the Armstrong and 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 3: Getty replay. I hope you eat as much as you can. 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: I hope you're in pain by the end of the day. 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: I know I will be. 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 4: Now Here are some delicious Armstrong and Geddy leftovers. 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: Get filled up with more of Armstrong and Getty with 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 3: our podcast Armstrong and Getdy on demand. Your loved one 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: or maybe yourself wants. 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 4: An Armstrong and Getty hoodie, T shirt, hat or more. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 4: They're at Armstrongygeddy dot com. 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: A bout a bike. I'm gonna become bike riding guy, 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: the one of those guys where is the really skin 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: tight clothes walks around the Starbucks. I'm not, actually, but 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: I pictured you more shirtless over Tenned Methy. Probably stolen 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: bike down right. You're going like Tour de Front riding 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: a kid's bike. I'm somewhere in between. I'm gonna be 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: in probably jeens, tennis shoes and a T shirt. But 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: I am on a real bike, not a child's bike 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: I took out of someone's backyard, the suburban gentleman, look 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 3: exactly why not. 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 4: We were talking yesterday about an absolutely blockbuster report in 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 4: the Hill about how vast majorities of college kids don't 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: believe the garbage they've been indoctrinated in, but they're afraid 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: to say it. 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: That is one of the more important things for people 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: to know that I can remember. I mean, this is 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: important information. Yeah, and we hammered this pretty good yesterday. 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: But seventy eight percent of students told us a self 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: censor on their belief sound surrounding gender identity, seventy two 33 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: percent on politics in general, sixty eight percent on family values. 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: They value what are traditionally known as family values, but 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: they dare not speak it on college campus. 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 4: And more than eighty percent so they'd submitted classwork that 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: represented their views in order to align with professors. You 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 4: give them a chance and they will tell you what 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 4: they really think. And we are on the cusp. I 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 4: think of a huge move toward the youngsters of recognizing 41 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 4: what's being done at colleges. It's not education at all, 42 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 4: it's indoctrination. But those poll numbers were stunning and. 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: Encouraging. 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 5: Well. 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: The important thing to me, though, is just realizing that 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: as human nature, that we're all so susceptible. I don't 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: know about all, but so many people are susceptible to this. Yeah, 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: of keeping your mouth shut if you think most people 49 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 3: don't agree with you. I keep my mouth shut in 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: most social situations about political stuff. But right, yeah, well, 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: and the whole concept of a preference, just which I 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: find so interesting that you because everybody around you is silent, 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: you think, oh, I'm probably one of the only people 54 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: who believes this. Right, they agree with the powerful people 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: who are telling us all what we ought to believe. 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: But no, you're all sitting there thinking the same thing. Yeah. 57 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: And I don't know how many times, probably everybody's had 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: this situation where that is going on, and somebody says, 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a gun owner, and I'm me too, 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: me too, and that's oh, geez, okay, so we're not 61 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: all well and that's whatever the topic is. And that's 62 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: the crazy thing, you know, to if you find yourself 63 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: in college and thinking, you know, this this stuff about 64 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: you know, the gender beenning madness. A man can just 65 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: become a woman, And that's really a woman and all 66 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: the other stuff they teach these poor kids, all the 67 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: critical theory stuff. If you have the courage to stand 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: up and be that rebel and think, you know what, 69 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 3: ten percent of us are together, I'm going to stand 70 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: up and say so, then all of a sudden, eighty 71 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: five percent of the classes on your side. You are 72 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: a But you know you're not nearly as alone as 73 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: you think. Yeah, you can't blame people though, I mean, oh, 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: it's not blame them at all. First of all, everything 75 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: that's been presented to all of us led us to 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: believe that this is what most people on college campus 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: has thought was this stuff. 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: Well that's part of the insidious plot. That's what propaganda is. 79 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: Sure, and telling everybody, including the teachers who are going 80 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: to grade you, that they're wrong, completely wrong, is not 81 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: always your best move, right. Oh yeah, Well that's why 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: eighty percent of the kids submitted work that they didn't believe, 83 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: because they had to get some to get their grades 84 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: and move on in life. Nearly four out of five. 85 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: I don't believe this, but I'm gonna pretend I do 86 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: to get along. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, but that's you know, 87 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 3: that's indoctrination, especially of youth, is all about fighting unfairly 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: and bullying and convincing kids that everybody believes it, and 89 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: anybody who dissentses ab person. So yeah, I don't blame 90 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: the kids at all. No, I want to fight against 91 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: the evildoers or bullying them anyway. Morgad News and if 92 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: San Francisco's doing it, it's gonna spread. San Francisco has 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: embraced a new tool to clear homeless camps. I've noticed 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: city officials pointing to cleaner streets is evidence that more 95 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: active approach is working. I feel like my reporters say 96 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: it's cruel and nasty. I feel like my reporting, with 97 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: my own circumstances was leading the way long before the 98 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal or others picked up on this. On 99 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: the East coast, San Francisco's a complete if you haven't 100 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: been in a long time, it's a completely different looking 101 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: city than it was a year ago. It's amazing. 102 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: Indeed, between July of last year and July of this year, 103 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 4: the city arrested or cited more than one thousand and 104 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: eighty people on illegal lodging charges. That's over ten times 105 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: the number of arrests during the same period a year 106 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 4: earlier under the progressive former administration. Last time I was 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 4: in downtown San Francisco, I a homeless person one and 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 4: that person was being talked to by somebody from the 109 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: city about how you got to get out of here. 110 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 4: So the residents and business owners complaining about safety as 111 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: encampments grew have finally been heard. 112 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: Now. 113 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: Of course, the activists say, you're merely shifting the homeless 114 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: population around the city and putting homeless people a greater risk. 115 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: Shut up. 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 4: Most of them need to shdrug addicts. Yeah, yeah, shut up. 117 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: So San Francisco is doing a good job. It is possible, 118 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: even under some of the bizarre court rulings recently. And 119 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: also and this is out of San Francisco as well. 120 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 4: Once seen as a model of progressive drug policy, San 121 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 4: Francisco stands now as a morbid example of how harm 122 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: reduction has gone astray. This is one of the shibboleths, 123 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: one of the gods of the left is that you've 124 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 4: got to help junkies do drugs safely and comfortably. Look, 125 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: I get the clean needles thing, I get the impulse there. 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: What's the theory on that, though, how's that supposed to 127 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: end that people will on their own decide, you know what, 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: I don't want to live in my own filth on 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: the street at some point, yes, okay, yes, exactly. Yeah. 130 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: In fact, this gal, who's the executive director of the 131 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 4: National Harm Reduction Coalition, called the shift in San Francisco 132 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: away from the harm reduction quote moronic and antithetical to 133 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: what we know works. But the problem in San Francisco 134 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: and other progressive cities is that harm reduction has become 135 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 4: completely divorced from recovery. What began as a campaign to 136 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 4: keep people alive long enough to recover from addiction has 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: devolved into a philosophy that no longer considers recovery as 138 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 4: necessary or even desirable. The question of whether or not 139 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 4: harm reduction is successful comes down to whether it's treated 140 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: as a gateway to recovery or as an alternative to it. 141 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: So there you go. 142 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: It has become an alternative to getting off of drugs. 143 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: What percentage? So I'm I'm not a big financed by 144 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: you the taxpayer. I'm not big on the UH on 145 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: rehabs and that sort of stuff, because they are incredibly 146 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: unsuccessful and nobody pays any attention to that. But of 147 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: people that I mean, not just for regular people, of 148 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: people that are so far down the whole drug road 149 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: that you're sleeping on the street next to another drug addict. 150 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: How many of those people ever clean up? I wonder 151 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: half of one percent. I'll bet it's I'll bet it's very, 152 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: very low. 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm guessing you know, a pretty good chunk of 154 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 4: them continue using into their forties fifties, and then they 155 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: succumb to you know, the sort of thing middle aged 156 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 4: addicts do. As you know, a coroner once said in 157 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: response to the question who's your most common customer? Uh, 158 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 4: they said male fifties alcoholic, and I'm sure drug addict. Now, 159 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: because that was, gosh, fifteen years ago, I think they 160 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 4: would probably say, yeah, middle aged drug addict or a 161 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 4: young drug addict. 162 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: Anyway, more good news, though. Don't want to get focused 163 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: on the bad news. Want to get focused on the 164 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: fact that. 165 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 4: A lot of the insane policies of the left are 166 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: being abandoned, even in places like San Francisco. Different topic, 167 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: but kind of the same area. Boston Children's Hospital, the 168 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 4: Harvard Medical Research and Training hospital that specializes in children's care, 169 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 4: had previously insisted that they do not perform genital surgeries 170 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: as part of gender affirming care on patients under the 171 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: age of eighteen, but a journal of Clinical Medicine Studies 172 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: published a couple of years ago that was improved. Blah 173 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 4: blah blah describes chess surgeries for those who are fifteen 174 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: as well as genital surgeries for those over seventeen. And 175 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: the Trump administration has subpoenaed all sorts of information from them. 176 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: And because of that, at least partly, and this is 177 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: from the New York Times reload plays, there is hospitals 178 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 4: are limiting gender treatment for transminers. Both of those phrases 179 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: ought to be in quotes because they're made up. 180 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: Even in blue states. 181 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: Three prominent medical centers in California recently announced they would 182 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 4: stop the treatments, citing pressure from the Trump administration and 183 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: from sanity. 184 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: So that's good. There's a lot of real madness being 185 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: rolled back. Good progress domestically. Love it. Let's not focus 186 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: on the grim stuff. 187 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, your show, podcasts and 188 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: our hot links Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong 189 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: and Getty Show. 190 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: So my Sweetheart, Judy and I spent eight days in 191 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: London and had an absolutely wonderful time. I loved England 192 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: as I suspected I would. It's a very interesting place. 193 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: I've become a fan of day drinking, and not in 194 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 4: that like vacation drinking all day long way, but in 195 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 4: the like you have a pint at lunch at a 196 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 4: pub and then you go do what you're going to do. 197 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: You're not quote unquote drinking. You just have a beer 198 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 4: because it's nice and it makes you feel slightly more cheerful. 199 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: Why did we eat? How did we develop our attitude 200 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: we have in the United States over the years, because 201 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: I remember when I was in Italy thinking the same thing. 202 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: Everybody would come in the restaurants, like people who are 203 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: working their jobs. They'd have a glass of wine, eat 204 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: their food and then go back to work. And that 205 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: is seen in the United States. It's just insane, just 206 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: absolutely crazy. 207 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Europeans have what I would call a very 208 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: European look or view of drinking that I found refreshed. 209 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 4: Speaking of pubs. So we rented a flat in Mayfair 210 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 4: if you know where that is, doesn't matter. New Bond Street, 211 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 4: lots of like crazy high end shopping, mostly populated by 212 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 4: Kuwaiti oil money. Oh wow, by the bye, guys walking 213 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: up the street with four chicks and the beekeeper out 214 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 4: really going into perfume stores and spending just one godly 215 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 4: amounts of oil money a lot real. 216 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: That's not an exaggeration. You saw a guy walking up 217 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: the street with four women in the beekeeper out in 218 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: eight days many times? Yes, wow, I mean one to 219 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: six women in the beekeeper wow. Yeah. Anyway, they are 220 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: basically sex slaves or cleaning your house slaves or whatever, 221 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: and everybody just tolerates that with no rights. 222 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: That's correct, yes, And Brits are not super duper happy 223 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 4: about the completely wildly unfettered immigration from Muslim lands over 224 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: the last twenty years. 225 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: More on that another time. 226 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 4: But anyway, but out our windows onto the street, there 227 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 4: was a little like I just had half a block 228 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: long street and there was a pub on each side 229 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 4: of it. At the other end it was one hundred 230 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: yards from us maybe as we looked out the window, 231 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: and it was so cool every day and more and 232 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: more as the week went on. At four thirty or so, 233 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: certainly by five o'clock there would be so many people 234 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 4: standing in and outside the pub having a pint with 235 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: their coworkers and friends and a laugh and a conversation 236 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 4: before they went home for the day. 237 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: Sounds like a recipe for sexual harassment. Oh my god. 238 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 3: And it wasn't. They were drinking. 239 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: No, they were talking with people because they worked with people, 240 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: and they met their buddies, and they talked about the 241 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: football match, which is soccer, and it just it was 242 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 4: so nice. 243 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 244 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah, and I thought, wow, I could get used 245 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: to this in a hurry. Although the pub thing, we 246 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: went to this one historic pub. We met our next 247 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: door neighbors from home. Weirdly enough, they were over there 248 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: at the same time, decided to get together. We go 249 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: to this pub, hundreds of years old, pub, drenched in history, legendary, 250 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: the Prince something or lord what's its there, I don't 251 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: even remember the name, but it was very atmospheric. But anyway, 252 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: so we're sitting there having dinner and or we're having 253 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 3: you know, a couple of pines, and we decide it's 254 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: time to eat, and we order like four small plates 255 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: off the menu, and the waitress come back and says, 256 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, we're actually out of the calamari and 257 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: the pucker fish or whatever the hell it was, and 258 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: also the beef Wellington, and we're like, oh okay, it's 259 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: like six o'clock at night, all right, all right, all right, 260 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: we'll order those other things. Then she comes back in 261 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: like two of those three are out. So should she 262 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: ever get around to admitting we're not actually a restaurant. 263 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: We don't have any food at all. We just have 264 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: a menu. We just hope we're working out the wind. 265 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: Most people start drinking, they forget if they're hungry. So 266 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: at one point I said, it would save time if 267 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: you just told me what you do have, but we 268 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: end up with this mess of food. Did you say 269 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: that I shouldn't have? But I didn't know. And finally 270 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: so at the end of the evening and it was lovely, 271 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: she comes and says, can you tell me what you 272 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: actually ordered? 273 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: And got? 274 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: Oh? 275 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: Boys? And I'm like, wait a minute, that's your job. 276 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: We're some pot No, no, no, you tell us. And 277 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: it was just part of it is Tipping is not 278 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: really a thing there. Now they've got a service charge 279 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: that's like five, six, maybe ten percent, but you feel 280 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: it because they're not earning it. They're like, look, I'm 281 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: getting my six percent. Oh okay, No, matter what gotcha? 282 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: So if you have to like order twenty four foods 283 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: before I bring you three, just because we're playing this 284 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: little game of we might have it, we might not, 285 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: why don't you order find out so you know it's 286 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: it's pluses and minuses, because the whole tipping thing is 287 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: it's stressful, especially if you don't know the local customs. 288 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, Michael, how was the food over there? Overall? 289 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: In England? Uh? 290 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: Overall kind of good, not great, But once you realize 291 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: how to order and what to order, it's it's better. 292 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: But yeah, the Brits are not famous for food for 293 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 4: for good reason. If you say, hey, what's a great 294 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: meal around here, people will send you to an Italian 295 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: restaurant or an Indian restaurant for a good reason. But 296 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 4: the other thing about workers that I found interesting. We 297 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 4: had a tour guide at the British Museum who was 298 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 4: just terrific. He was a professor of history. 299 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: And he said, yeah, that exhibit is shut down because 300 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: there's just no employees. There's no one to work. I said, what, 301 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: that's odd? He said, oh, yeah, since COVID, everybody stays home, 302 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: they live with their parents. They're collecting government checks, you 303 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: can't get people to work. 304 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: Wow, And I thought that was so interesting and exactly 305 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: what you hear from so many employers in the States. 306 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had that conversation with my family in the 307 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: Midwest of the United States. I don't go to other 308 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: countries and give them my money. I stay in the 309 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: United States and for you. But we had the same 310 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 3: conversation on how number of restaurants, including the one we 311 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: were at, was really they they weren't seating all the seats, 312 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: not because they were crowded, but because they didn't have 313 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: enough help. How is that still a thing? Yeah, I know, 314 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: it's amazing and universally universal apparently. 315 00:17:40,359 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: Armstrong and show. 316 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: The president decides to do something with an executive order 317 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: or whatever often that they promised on the campaign trail, 318 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: their voters get all excited, Yay, they did it day 319 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: one like they promised, And then then I get an 320 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: alert on my phone. Some judge somewhere I've never heard 321 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 3: of it said no, you can't do that. And then 322 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: it stops, and everybody's like groans, like, oh, they can 323 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: do that, and it keeps happening over and over again, 324 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 3: and do we want that system to continue that way? 325 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: Or not as part of what the Supreme Court was 326 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 3: arguing about yesterday. And as one of the justices said, 327 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: there are six hundred some federal judges and while I 328 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: do not question their motives, sometimes they are wrong. So 329 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 3: do we want them to be able to hold up 330 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: the whole country? 331 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: Let us discuss the very interesting and multifaceted oral arguments 332 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 4: yesterday before the Supreme Court with Tim Sandefer, vice president 333 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute, among other auspicious titles, 334 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 4: author of eight books, include most recently Freedom's Fories, How 335 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: Isabel Patterson, Rosewilder and ein Rand Found Liberty and Age 336 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 4: of Darkness. 337 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: I've recommended it many times. It's terrific. Tim. How are you, sir? 338 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: Just great? 339 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me back. 340 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: Guys published poet, got to throw that in there. True, Yes, 341 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 3: a polymath as they say. 342 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: Anyway, Tim, So, ostensibly everyone's talking about that we're going 343 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 4: to discuss birthright citizenship in front of the Supreme Court, 344 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 4: and that did come up. But would you agree that 345 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: the more significant discussion was about nationwide injunctions by individual 346 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 4: federal judges? 347 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: Oh? 348 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. 349 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 5: That was the focus of the argument, and it was 350 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 5: a very interesting argument, but I don't think that it's 351 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 5: a hard question. I think the answer is obviously nationwide 352 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 5: injunctions are perfectly fine. They're the ordinary way of doing 353 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 5: business in the courts, and people who complain about them 354 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 5: either don't understand the system or are trying to get 355 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 5: away with something illegal. 356 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't always like that it happened, but I 357 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: can't see what the alternative would be. Somebody pointed out, 358 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: so you're gonna let I guess it was you that 359 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: pointed it out yesterday in Twitter. The idea that so 360 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: every time a president does something, it's got to work 361 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: its way all the way through the courts up to 362 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, and then a decision by the Supreme Court. 363 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: Before the Supreme Court might say sometimes nine nothing, you 364 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 3: can't do that. 365 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 5: Oh and during that whole period of time, the government 366 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 5: is still doing the illegal thing. 367 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: Right right? 368 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 4: Wow, So clearly it's two to one for a judicial 369 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 4: takeover of the government. But I will stand up for liberty. Uh, 370 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 4: Is there no middle ground? Has got to be three 371 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 4: judge panel and not a single Yahoo in a rural Tennessee. 372 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think having a single unit ya 373 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: who in rural Tennessee is perfectly fine, because that's what 374 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 5: the appellate process is. Sort of, that's why you appeal cases. 375 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 5: And by the way, that's why you should avoid appointing 376 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 5: yahoos to the federal bench. Might mention that too. The argument, 377 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 5: the argument against nation right injunctions always seems to boil 378 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 5: down to, well, this is a democracy in the major 379 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 5: I already should always get what it wants. And the 380 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 5: answer to that is no. What happened to all of 381 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 5: my friends who used to say, this is a republic, 382 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 5: not a democracy. The whole point of our system is 383 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 5: that the majority has to act lawfully, and if it 384 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 5: acts unlawfully, I can go in front of a judge 385 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 5: and get that give an order from that judge prohibiting 386 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 5: the government from violating my rights. And the idea that 387 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 5: we should do this piece meal, that only a judge 388 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 5: down here, that his order only applies there. Meanwhile, the 389 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 5: government can do illegal things to everybody else in the 390 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 5: country until the case reaches the US Supreme Court makes 391 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 5: no sense at all. 392 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: The underlying theme here being, folks, that what we really 393 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: need to fear is the power of the government in 394 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: this country. That's kind of the idea of forming it. 395 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 4: So there's no question that these nationwide injunctions were relatively 396 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: or practically completely unknown for one hundred and fifty years. 397 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 4: Then there are a handful of them, and the number 398 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 4: of them is now skyrots every day. 399 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: It seems like on my phone, I see a judge 400 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: jumped in somewhere. 401 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 5: Actually, right, I actually don't think that that's true. I 402 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 5: think that what happened was we just started calling them 403 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 5: by a different name. You know, there were an injunction 404 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 5: injunctions against unconstitutional government actions since before there was a constitution. 405 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 5: One of the points that was brought up during the 406 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 5: arguments was that British judges used to do this before 407 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 5: the American Revolution, and that was considered perfectly legitimate. It's 408 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 5: just that nowadays we call the nation right injunctions, or 409 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 5: we have some judges who write sloppily and don't explain 410 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 5: what they're actually saying or something. And okay, that's a problem, 411 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 5: I suppose. But the idea that you should limit the 412 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 5: injunction power of federal courts is what that is is 413 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 5: that's open door to the majority violating individual rights on 414 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 5: a scale that I mean, they already do it, but 415 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 5: you can imagine what it would be if we took 416 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 5: away one of the most important protections for individual rights 417 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 5: in this country, which is getting an injunction from our 418 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 5: federal court to protect their freedom. And that's insane. 419 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: So I didn't want to get to this part too 420 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: fast because you're a lawyer, and this part can't be 421 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: fixed with the law. It seems to me that we've 422 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: got a cultural problem in that presidents are way more 423 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 3: likely than they used to be to want to challenge 424 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, either to like legitimately they don't think 425 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: the law is correct, or they don't care if they're wrong. 426 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: They just want to get the political credit for trying. 427 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: And perhaps I don't know this, but it seems like 428 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: a likely response. The six hundred some federal judges out there. 429 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: There's a lot more of them who are willing to 430 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 3: let their politics get ahead of their judge reasoning and 431 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: jump in and stop somebody they hate. 432 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: Yes, you're absolutely right about that, and especially the thing 433 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 5: about the President and Congress being willing to do things 434 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 5: that they know are unconstitutional because they know that the 435 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: judges are going to strike it down and they can 436 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 5: blame the judges and say, oh, those evil activist judges, 437 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 5: or they can get away with their unconstitutional things. So 438 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 5: it's win when if you want to do something unconstitutional. 439 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 5: And honestly, every president's done this to some degree. Obviously 440 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 5: Franklin Roosevelt did this a lot. But the one that 441 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: I always six in my memory is George W. Bush 442 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 5: when he signed the McCain fine Gold campaign finance law 443 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 5: and said when he signed it that he thought it 444 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 5: was unconstitutional but that he would leave it to the 445 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 5: courts to deal with. Well, I'm sorry, but if you're 446 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 5: the president, you take an oath to support and defend 447 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 5: the constitution of the United States. And if you ignore 448 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 5: that oath and sign something that you know is unconstitutional 449 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 5: just because you think the courts will clean up your 450 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 5: mess for you, I think that's disgraceful. 451 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 6: Yeah. 452 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: Well, a lot of the pieces I've read that have 453 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: been following the growth of this use that as kind 454 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: of like the patient zero, because he said it out loud, 455 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 3: and then other presidents thought, hey, I can do that, 456 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: I just won't say it out loud, and Obama did it, 457 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 3: and Biden did it, and Trump did it in whichever order, 458 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: and then Trump again and and it So how do 459 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: we fix this. 460 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 5: Well, there's a long answer and the short answer. The 461 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 5: short answer is elect good presidents. The long answer is 462 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 5: that we have to restore respect for the Constitution in 463 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 5: this country. I think it's the long term damage that's 464 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 5: been done to Americans understanding and appreciation of the Constitution 465 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 5: is horrifying. We have prominent law professors. There was a 466 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 5: law professor at at Georgetown Law School a few years 467 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 5: ago published an article in the Washington Post saying the 468 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 5: Constitution is obsolete. I don't respect it at all. Well, 469 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 5: you're a teacher of constitutional law for crying out loud. 470 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 5: And if we don't respect the Constitution, we don't love it. 471 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 5: It cannot protect us. The Constitution is just a promise, 472 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 5: and if we don't honor that promise, then it's not 473 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 5: worth the paper it's written on. 474 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: We should have written law specifically putting him in jail. 475 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: In my opinion, Tim Sandefer is online from the Goldwater Institute. 476 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: A little constitutional humor for exactly design. 477 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: For punish one man. 478 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 4: That's a good idea, so you know, blah blah blah, 479 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 4: disclaimer about it's difficult to read the tea leaves of 480 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 4: the oral arguments, blah, blah blah. Did it strike you 481 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 4: that the justices, the sane ones that we like, we're 482 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: leaning in any particular direction as to the nationwide injunctions judges, etc. 483 00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: That we've been discussing. 484 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 5: Some of the judges have made clear for a long 485 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 5: time that they're against these what they call nationwide injunctions. 486 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 5: Justice Thomas in particular. Some of the others are a 487 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 5: little harder to read. Justice Barrett for example, and Justice Roberts, 488 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 5: who have become really the swing judges on this issue. 489 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: I thought the. 490 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 5: Most interesting judge if you want to if anybody wants 491 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 5: to go and listen to the argument online, I thought 492 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 5: Justice Jackson was the one who is the most interesting. 493 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 5: She clearly understands how this area of the law works, 494 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 5: and she rightly says there's no there there that nationwide 495 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 5: injunctions are perfectly legitimate. They always have been and there's 496 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 5: no problem. So she'd be the one that I find 497 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 5: most interesting. But how to predict I think you're going 498 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 5: to get. I think Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett are 499 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 5: going to side with the liberals and say we don't 500 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 5: have a problem per se with nationwide injunctions. But maybe 501 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 5: some of them aren't very good, but as a as 502 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 5: a blanket matter, they're okay. And then they're going to 503 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 5: want to hear the underlying case about birthright citizenship, which 504 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 5: obviously is a huge deal. 505 00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: To me. 506 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 4: Is it even worth getting into what happened on that 507 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 4: topic yesterday or do you. 508 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 5: Think it's Well, they really just talked about whether or 509 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 5: not they have a legitimate case in the first place, 510 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 5: and they haven't really briefed it or argued it yet. 511 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 5: But that's important because in order to get an injunction, 512 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 5: you kind of have to first show that you have 513 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 5: even an arguable point to make, and that was what 514 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 5: they were arguing about. And I will say, I know 515 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 5: this is talk radio, and we're all supposed to think 516 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 5: that we clearly have the right answer and everything. I 517 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 5: think the birthright citizenship question is a very hard question. 518 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 5: I don't think it's an easy question on either side. 519 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: Let's talk about that when we come back from the 520 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 3: break hear. I want to hear the arguments on both 521 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: sides of that. That's interesting And clearly you've probably seen 522 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: the breakdown on who speaks the most words the chicks 523 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: talk too much? Is that given? 524 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 5: Well, Jessin sodomoy are does love cutting off lawyers and 525 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 5: not letting them answer her question? 526 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, the chicks talk too much. I think that's been nice. 527 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: And the new gal talks more than anybody. That shouldn't 528 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: happen in any organization. 529 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 6: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show. Jack 530 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 6: Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Shows. 531 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 4: Discussing the oral arguments before the Supreme Court yesterday with 532 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 4: Tim Sanderfur, vice president for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute. 533 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 4: It was advertised as a birthright citizenship hearing it or discussion. 534 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 4: It really was much more a discussion of individual federal 535 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: judges and nationwide injunctions and that sort of thing. But 536 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 4: to the question of the Fourteenth Amendment, Tim, you said 537 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 4: before the break that it's not an easy call. I'm 538 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: glad to hear you agree. I've thought the same thing. 539 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 4: What should we know about the fourteenth Amendment even come 540 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 4: to a semi intelligent opinion on this? 541 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 5: Well, the first sentence of the fourteenth Amendment says, all 542 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 5: persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject 543 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 5: to the jurisdiction thereof, are US citizens. And all of 544 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 5: this case. All of these arguments turn on that phrase 545 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 5: subject to the jurisdiction thereof. What does that phrase mean. 546 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 5: It's really tough because the word jurisdiction is one of 547 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 5: those words that can mean all sorts of different things. 548 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 5: It basically means power, but there's all sorts of different 549 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 5: kinds of power, and so that's what the argument turns on. 550 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 5: Some people think that it means you have to follow 551 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 5: the law. If you're born here and you have to 552 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 5: follow the law, then you're subject to the jurisdiction thereof, 553 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 5: and then that means you're a citizen. But that doesn't 554 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 5: really make a lot of sense because even foreign tourists 555 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 5: who come here for a vacation have to follow the law. 556 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 5: I mean, they have to stop at the red lights 557 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 5: and they can't steal things, So that can't be what 558 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 5: that means, right. Instead, the other side argues, jurisdiction thereof 559 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 5: means some kind of loyalty or allegiance, that there's citizenship 560 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 5: jurisdiction as opposed to follow the law jurisdiction, and that difference. 561 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 5: You can see that difference for example, in this if 562 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 5: you're a foreign spy, now you sneak into the country 563 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 5: and you spy for some foreign country and you get 564 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 5: it arrested, you can be prosecuted for espionage, but you 565 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 5: cannot be prosecuted for treason. Why because you're not a 566 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 5: US citizen and you don't owe loyalty to the US, 567 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 5: so you cannot commit treason against the US. And so 568 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 5: there's two different kinds of jurisdiction, is the argument. And 569 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 5: so those who are against birthright citizenships say, subject to 570 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 5: the jurisdiction thereof means that your parents owed loyalty to 571 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 5: the United States as opposed to some foreign country, and 572 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: that would mean that illegal aliens, if they have a 573 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 5: child here, that child is not a citizen in the 574 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 5: United States. Now, that's also there's a problem with that. 575 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 5: There's a couple problems that. One of the problems with 576 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 5: that argument is that nobody has ever said that that's 577 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 5: what it means. In the one hundred and fifty years 578 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 5: since this has been in the Constitution, everybody has active 579 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 5: like if you're born here, you're a citizen all of 580 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 5: that time. And so suddenly discovering that we're at it 581 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 5: turns out that we've been misreading the Constitution for one 582 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty years would be a huge, enormously radical 583 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 5: transformation and how our system works. That would cause tremendous 584 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 5: disruption nationwide, and that would be a real problem. But 585 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 5: all of this, the real problem here in answering this 586 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 5: question is that when the Amendment was adopted, there were 587 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 5: no such things as illegal aliens because there were no 588 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 5: laws against immigration. And that means if you're an originalist 589 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: and you think the competition should be understood the way 590 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 5: it was originally intended, the framers didn't ever think about 591 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 5: this because it wasn't against the law back then. So 592 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 5: we don't know what they would have thought about this 593 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 5: question right. 594 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 4: Right Well, at the point that this enormously radical, disruptive 595 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 4: president is overturned, that's when you tag me and Tim 596 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 4: and I come in and explain to the good folks 597 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 4: that look, the nature of global transportation, the movement of 598 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 4: people or peoples from one place to another has changed 599 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 4: so vastly. 600 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: God, Joe's a living constitution guy. You can hear it coming. 601 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 4: Out of what No, don't you dare know that the 602 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 4: very nature of cummings and goings from countries has been 603 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 4: so radically transformed. A Chinese national with not the slightest 604 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 4: notion of making life in the United States. Can can 605 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 4: depart China, arrive here, give birth, go back to China, 606 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 4: all in the span of seventy two hours. I'm inducing 607 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 4: labor in this case, or getting very lucky, and that 608 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 4: child had citizenship. That's an eventuality unimaginable back in the day. 609 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 3: Is the kids? 610 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 5: I think so? And that's sort of true. But on 611 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 5: the other hand, the Chinese question came up back then 612 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 5: because there were so many Chinese in California in the 613 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 5: eighteen sixties. And Senator's rast, well, isn't this going to 614 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 5: make the children of the Chinese immigrants who back then 615 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 5: did not intend to scy in the United States. They 616 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 5: intended to go back to China. The senator's rest, does 617 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 5: this make their kids us? Senator US citizens? And the 618 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 5: Senator from California said yes, and then he was immediately 619 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 5: thrown out of office. So what does that mean? 620 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 4: Nobody knows what that means a single case from eighteen 621 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 4: ninety eight, or is there more precedent? 622 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 5: Really there really isn't. There's really just a handful of 623 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 5: presidents and no Supreme Court case has ever said that 624 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 5: birthright citizenship is the is in the Constitution. There have 625 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 5: been some that have kind of mentioned it or kind 626 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 5: of assumed it, but none has said so outright. 627 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: I am surprised. The polling shows that only about a 628 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: third of Americans want to do away with the way 629 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: we do it now. I'm surprised by that. I do 630 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: want to get to this. This is a journalistic question, 631 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: but I think it has an effect on people's respect 632 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 3: for the law. It has come up recently. It has 633 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: become a pattern that anytime the media mentions a judge, 634 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 3: they mentioned what president appointed them. Do you think that's 635 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 3: a good idea or not? They didn't just barely got 636 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 3: a minute. 637 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 5: I think it's fine. I think people should know where 638 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 5: these For instance, I think it would help a lot 639 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 5: of judges. You know, a lot of Republican appointed judges 640 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 5: have been ruling against the Trump administration, and I think 641 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 5: it would be helpful for people to know that these 642 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 5: questions are not things where it's all partisan. The law 643 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 5: is not just partisan politics. It's something much more profound 644 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 5: and much more important. 645 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I agree, but it implies that judge I 646 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: don't know. 647 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: True. 648 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 3: I used to think I didn't used to think about 649 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 3: it ever. If a judge ruled. I just thought, well, 650 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 3: that's interesting. Now it's all who appointed him. Oh, of 651 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: course he said. 652 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 5: That that is true. That is a risk. But I 653 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: think we should air on the side of informing people 654 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 5: as opposed to keeping people in the dark. 655 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 3: So that's that's true. 656 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 4: Tim Stander for the Goldwater Institute on the line, Tim, 657 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 4: final question, I've called for a monarchy. 658 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 3: You in favor of it? Yes or no? 659 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 5: No, I'm against him monarchy. I'm for the constitution. 660 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 3: Joe. One more question. As a published poet, I was 661 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 3: thinking about this yesterday he won the Nobel Prize. Bob 662 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 3: Dylan good poet or not lousy poet? 663 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 5: Now read Robert Hayden or Richard Wilbur instead. 664 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 3: How about Ringo Star Octopus's Garden, Tam. It's always great 665 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 3: and enlightening. Thanks Millian for the time. Let's talk again soon. 666 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 2: Thanks guys. 667 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: All right, I was actually thinking about this listening to 668 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 3: Dylan lyrics. Why do they stick in everybody's head so much? 669 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 3: Why do people keep going back to them? If it's 670 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: just gobbledegook, like a lot of real poets claim, it 671 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: can't be. It wouldn't lodge, it wouldn't it wouldn't make 672 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: the market made, would it all right? 673 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 4: He was famously moody about his career and his music 674 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 4: in his Life's Philosophy. I think some of his stuff 675 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 4: is absolutely brilliant, and I think some of it's gobbledegook humhm. 676 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe more on that another day, or maybe not. 677 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 3: We got plenty of stuff to tell you. I hope 678 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 3: you can stick around if you missus. 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