1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey Besties, Hello Sunshine. Today on the bright Side, actor 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Justine Lup joins us to talk about her role in 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: one of the buzziest shows of the year Netflix is 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Nobody Wants This. It's Tuesday, December seventeenth. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe, I'm Simone Boyce, and this is the 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: bright Side from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: come together to share women's stories, laugh, learn, and brighten 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: your day. 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: Okay, nobody wants This was a phenomenon. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 4: Turns out everybody wanted it. 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 3: Forbody wanted it. 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: I have not laughed out loud at the TV watching 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: a show in a very long time. 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 4: It was just so relatable too. 16 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: If you haven't gotten on, then nobody wants this train yet. 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: It's a Netflix show that follows Joe Anne, who's an 18 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: agnostic podcaster she's a funny way of describing her played 19 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: by Kristin Bell, and Noah, who's a newly single rabbi 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: played by Adam Brody. They fall in love and they're 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: having to navigate their different lives and. 22 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: Their different religions. They're different families. 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: I was laughing so hard at the scene where Kristen 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: Bell meets Adam Brodie's mom and they visit his parents' house. 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: It is in this insanely gorgeous mansion, and then they 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: have the most painfully awkward brunch of all time. 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: Simone, did you see that house? 28 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Oh? 29 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was huge. 30 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: Imagine renting that house on Airbnb for a weekend goals. 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 4: I am so down for that. 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: Well, if you're a fan of the show like us, 33 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: we have amazing news for you. It has already been 34 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: picked up for a second season and we are so excited. 35 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: We're going to do our best to get some tea 36 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: from one of the stars of the show. Today, actor 37 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: Justin Loop is here with us. She plays Morgan, who 38 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: is Joe Anne's quick witted sister and co host on 39 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: their podcast. 40 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 4: You also might. 41 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: Recognize Justine from her work on other, I don't know, 42 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: moderately successful TV shows like Succession. She plays Willa in 43 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: that show and also Astrod in The Marvelous Missus Masel. 44 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and bring her in. Justin Loop, Welcome 45 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: to the bright Side. 46 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: Thank you guys for much. I'm really excited. 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: And huge congratulations because nobody wants this was nominated in 48 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: the Best Musical or Comedy TV Series category for the 49 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: Gold Globes. 50 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: Yes. Cool. 51 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: If I could snap into the microphone, I would. We're 52 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: so happy to have you here and excited to talk 53 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: to you because we are huge fans of the show. 54 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: We binged it along with the rest of America. Yes, 55 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: we could not get enough of Nobody Wants This. And 56 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: you know what I was thinking as I was watching it. 57 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: You've played so many amazing characters that I've fallen in 58 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: love with, and I've noticed a through line with them. 59 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Willa from Succession and Morgan from Nobody 60 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: Wants This, and I notice that they're underestimated by just 61 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: about everyone else in the show, all the other characters, 62 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: and yet they go on to surprise and delight the 63 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: audience with their wit, or their strategy or their strength 64 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: in certain situations. What do you think their superpowers are 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: these women that you've played. 66 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 5: I think there's superpower is I mean, you know, Morgan 67 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 5: does care, she wants to rise for the occasion, and 68 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 5: she wants to prove people wrong. But I also do 69 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 5: think she has a real essence of like not giving 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 5: a fuck, and Willa also had the same quality where 71 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 5: it was kind of like the thing that I loved 72 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 5: most about Willa was that she walked into this like 73 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 5: group of sharks and she was kind of like untouchable 74 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 5: because she just didn't play by the same rules as 75 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 5: they did. 76 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: And I think Morgan. 77 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 5: Has a similar quality that's so satisfying and fun to play, 78 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 5: where it's like this person that, yeah, nobody expects her 79 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 5: to be great at what she's doing, but she's aware 80 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 5: of that, but she doesn't let it phase her really 81 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 5: and she carries herself like through it with like poison, 82 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 5: kind of just being like whatever, I like have fun. 83 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 5: Like she's got this kind of a care free thing 84 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 5: and she it's like a really satisfying quality to play. 85 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: I think that's like the secret power. Yeah, what do 86 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: you think your superpower is? As an actor and creative? 87 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: Oh that's really sweet. 88 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: You know. 89 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: I read the book The Alchemist. 90 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 5: It was when I was in my late teens that 91 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 5: I read it, and I remember the whole premise of 92 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 5: the book is just keep on going back to following 93 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 5: your heart no matter what. And it's so simple, but 94 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 5: it just truly is the key to everything. That if 95 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 5: you're following your heart and you're you're not inhibiting what 96 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 5: your heart is telling you to do it leads you 97 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 5: to the right things. I feel like it's led me 98 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 5: to like amazing relationships. I think it's led me to 99 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 5: the right career moves. I like don't think I lead 100 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 5: intellectually or like thinking about like what's going to serve me. 101 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 5: I'm not very savvy in that way. I think some 102 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 5: people that can like really work out for them, like 103 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 5: having some sort of like premeditated plan or like knowing 104 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 5: the business. And for me, it's always just been Okay, 105 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 5: I'm following my heart, which is most likely going to 106 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 5: lead me to like good material and hard work. And 107 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 5: it also like helps so you feel like a trust 108 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 5: within yourself. You're like, okay, like my heart loves acting 109 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 5: and it knows that really clearly. 110 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: It's something that has served me really well. 111 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 5: And I would say that would be if I had 112 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: a superpower, it would be that that I have a 113 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 5: very strong relationship to my heart. 114 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: Well, it served you so well because you've been on 115 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: two of the most popular shows in like the past 116 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: five years, So it seems like it's working out for 117 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: you so beautifully, So continue doing whatever you're doing. 118 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: Thank you. It's knocking on what I mean, I feel 119 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 4: really luck. I feel that myself. 120 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 5: I'm like, whoa, this is wild that you know, you 121 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 5: never know when something's going to like have the effect 122 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 5: that it has, because there's so many projects that you 123 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 5: read and you're like, oh, this is amazing, and then 124 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: they don't ever see the light of day, or they 125 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 5: just can't make it out of like the like sea 126 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 5: of media that's out there. They can't like rise and 127 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 5: into visibility. So I'm just really lucky that these are 128 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: two shows that have resonated for people and the people 129 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 5: like to watch It's wild. 130 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: Justine, you graduated from juliad in twenty eleven, right, so 131 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: when you were there, did you think you would be 132 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: playing these types of characters? 133 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. So in high school I was 134 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 5: really really drawn to comedy. I went to a performing 135 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 5: arts high school and I remember doing a scene from 136 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 5: Streetcar named Desire and my teacher being like, Okay, so 137 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 5: this isn't a comedy, like just playing it like it 138 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 5: was a comedy like, and it's not. And it was 139 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 5: my favorite kind of genre. I had the most fun 140 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 5: with comedy. And then when you go to Juilliard, they 141 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 5: do this thing where for the first three years they 142 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 5: give you this stuff that you would not necessarily gravitate 143 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 5: towards or be cast as I think, to stretch you 144 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 5: and try and get you to do things that are 145 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 5: like way outside of your comfort zone. 146 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: Honestly, the first three years of Juilliard, I was like. 147 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 5: Playing like old women and like the matriarch of the family, 148 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 5: which is like something that I was so uncomfortable with. 149 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: I just like had always played the comedic relief for 150 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 5: the Angenoux. Those were the two parts that I'd played, 151 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 5: and they were giving me these massive like the queen 152 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 5: or like the mom in like picnic, just like crazy 153 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 5: women with like gravitas, or people who are like really 154 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 5: really old and like barely hanging on. And then it 155 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 5: wasn't until my last year at Juilliard that they like 156 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 5: kind of let me do a little bit more comedy. 157 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 5: And to answer your question succinctly, I would say, like, 158 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 5: I had no idea what my career would end up doing, 159 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 5: but I'm so happy that I've gotten to play a 160 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 5: little bit more with comedy lately. 161 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: It's really fun. 162 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm curious about Justine in between graduating from Juilliard and 163 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: getting her first big role, were you the type of 164 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: person that's auditioning and like having fun with it and 165 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: meeting people, or are you the type of person that's 166 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: auditioning and going nuts over not getting a role and 167 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: thinking like what's next? 168 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: How am I. 169 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: Gonna make this work? 170 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: Like? 171 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: Who were you in that time period? 172 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 5: I think I was like somewhere in between those two things. 173 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 5: I still I have friends from that time, and they're like, wow, 174 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 5: like they had memories of me just like holing up 175 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 5: and like just sitting with sides. I had the mentality 176 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 5: of like, the only thing I really can do to 177 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: like control the situation, which is completely uncontrollable, is just 178 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 5: like put my head down and like work really really hard. 179 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 5: And I remember also having like terrible nerves because it 180 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 5: was so weird, like walking into all these rooms and 181 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 5: doing auditions and I'd never done it before. 182 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 4: And I remember just being like the only. 183 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 5: Thing I can do is like just get these lines 184 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 5: like as molecularly absorbed into me that I don't get swayed, 185 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 5: Like my nerves can't screw. 186 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 4: With me doing a good job. 187 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 188 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, So I remember being like really like intensely serious 189 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 5: about it. But I also don't remember being too bitter 190 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 5: or too heartbroken. I mean, I remember the very beginning, 191 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 5: it was like you would fall in love but the part, 192 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 5: and you'd be like, you would be sad when it 193 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 5: didn't happen, and that still happens once in a while. 194 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: But you also it's kind. 195 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 5: Of like exposure therapy, Like the more rejections you get, 196 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: the more you're like, oh, this is just the way 197 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 5: that it goes and you get used to that feeling 198 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: of it's not personal and that life goes on and 199 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 5: that things don't work out your way all the time. 200 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 5: But it I don't know, there's something like magic to 201 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 5: the exposure to rejection that you get as an actor, 202 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 5: and I think I handled it pretty well. We've got 203 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 5: to take a quick break. We'll be right back with 204 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 5: actor Justine Loop. And we're back with Justin Loop. 205 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: Tell me if this is correct or not. 206 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: It sounds to me like you've actually had like a 207 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: pretty positive experience in Hollywood. 208 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: That's not a story I hear all the time. 209 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 5: M Yeah, I feel like I've had really good luck 210 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 5: of being with good people and not running into too 211 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 5: much dark energy. I'm not like a real partier and 212 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 5: I'm not like the most social person in the world. 213 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 5: So I think it was like, LA can kind of 214 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 5: be like a make your own adventure in terms of 215 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 5: like picking the people that you're hanging out with. And 216 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 5: I had a lot of friends from when I was 217 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: younger that were here, my brother's here, and I feel 218 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 5: like I kind of like veered away from some things 219 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 5: that can lead to like some rough situations. And yeah, 220 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 5: and then on top of that, I just really lucked 221 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 5: out on being in really good shows with great creators 222 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 5: and really great number ones, Like the people who are 223 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 5: number one on the call sheet really set the tone 224 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 5: for like the rest of the show. And I've had 225 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 5: the luck of being on shows with like wonderful, wonderful 226 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 5: leaders and that can like make or break an experience, 227 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: and I've been really, really lucky. 228 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: One of the Hollywood stories that made headlines about you 229 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,479 Speaker 1: was when you shared that you were pregnant while auditioning 230 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: for Nobody Wants This, But you chose not to share 231 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: that news right away. 232 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: What went into that decision. 233 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 5: I hid my pregnancy in the beginning, just for the 234 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 5: first three months, because that part of your pregnancy is 235 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 5: so vulnerable, Like thirty percent of women have miscarriages in 236 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 5: those first three months. You know, it's like a pretty 237 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 5: crazy high stat of you know, losses, and so I 238 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 5: kind of was like, I don't know if I want 239 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 5: to share this with people that I'm not comfortable mourning 240 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 5: with or letting it go with or talk disclosing like 241 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 5: if there is a loss. I wasn't scared to tell 242 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 5: my my colleagues about the pregnancy. I told them as 243 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 5: soon as I was safe to tell them, like as 244 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 5: soon as I was out of the woods with my 245 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 5: first trimester, I told everyone on the show that that 246 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 5: was what was going on with me and kind of 247 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 5: just trusted that it would be okay. It was like 248 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 5: a little bit scary because there is a near of 249 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 5: like that we've all been around for a really long 250 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 5: time of like, you know, having kids is something that 251 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 5: can like stall your career and that people are not 252 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 5: supportive of that in this industry. But I had seen 253 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 5: Sarah Snook go through it on succession, and I've had 254 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 5: other friends who did done their best work pregnant, and 255 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 5: I also, you know, I had a tiny bit of fear. 256 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: About how it would go over. 257 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: But I also was like, you know what this is, like, 258 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 5: this is where we're at now, Like I'm not going 259 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 5: to stop acting. And I felt like I intuited that 260 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 5: everybody would be really, really wonderful about it, and I 261 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 5: was right, you know, the moment that I told everyone, 262 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 5: they were really kind about it. 263 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: Completely, And I asked, because I think that that narrative 264 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: is so real, it's so prevalent. I grew up feeling 265 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: that way even in my industry and media. I thought, Oh, 266 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: I have to make it by thirty so that I 267 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: can have a family. Otherwise I can't make the career work. 268 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: And I had to unlearn that. So I was curious 269 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: to hear your perspective on it. Yeah, that fear comes 270 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: from like a real place. There's like a long history 271 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: of like that being the case, you know. Like I 272 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: just was watching the Paul Newman and Joyan Woodward documentary 273 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: thing on. 274 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 5: HBO where it's like six parts and she talks about 275 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 5: how she was like at this all time high and 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 5: she like her career was like crazy, she was getting 277 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 5: nominated for Academy Awards and winning, and then she says, 278 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: like I had children and like you just can't do 279 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 5: both in they're like my I couldn't have my career 280 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 5: and like she's very very like upfront about being Like 281 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 5: she says, I wish I hadn't had children, Like it's 282 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 5: really intense, and so it's like there's a good reason 283 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 5: that we're all afraid of, like that there is this 284 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 5: like you know, ethos around it. But I also think 285 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 5: that like it's just a bunch of bowl and like that, 286 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 5: I've seen women doing the best work ever and being 287 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 5: incredible mom And I really think that the industry should, 288 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 5: if not if they aren't already, they should be rising 289 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 5: to the occasion to meet this kind of like you know, 290 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 5: new new wave of incredible women who are also moms. 291 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: We all work in Los Angeles, in Hollywood, you know, 292 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: in careers that are on camera. But and I'm so 293 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: happy to hear how receptive everyone was on your set, Justine. 294 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: The reality is there are women all over this country, 295 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: all over this world who are still, you know, working 296 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: in environments where they do feel shame about their pregnancies, 297 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: you know, or they do feel like they're treated differently 298 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: at work. So that reality still exists for so many 299 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: women today. And I can remember when I was coming 300 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: back from my maternity leave, when I was working as 301 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: a reporter. I came back Fromnity leave. I was working 302 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: for about four months, and then I had to work 303 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: up the courage to tell my boss that I was 304 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: pregnant again with a surprise pregnancy. And I just remember 305 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: feeling that fear so viscerally because people would come up 306 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: to me and say, you know, it's amazing you're still 307 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: here in the newsroom, you're working, you're so pregnant. Like 308 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: I can remember five ten years ago when this was 309 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: not the case, you know, when when correspondence would have 310 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: been pushed out, would have removed themselves from their careers 311 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: because of this. 312 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 4: So it's it's also fresh, oh totally. 313 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 5: I mean I had several friends of mine when I 314 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 5: said that, I'd be like, oh yeah, I've had bosses 315 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 5: say rude, rude basically like scorn them for saying that 316 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 5: they were pregnant, or like make discourage in commons. So 317 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 5: this isn't to say that like, oh my gosh, every 318 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 5: like to deny the fact that this is still an 319 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 5: issue and that we've got like a long way to go. 320 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 5: I just feel like things have to start somewhere, and 321 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 5: unfortunately it starts with us having the courage to try 322 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: and make progress, like and try and be open and 323 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 5: then it has to carry over. 324 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: Into people making the right moves. 325 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: And I think there is something too seeing expanders and 326 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 5: knowing that it's a possibility. And that's not to say 327 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 5: that it's always going to go as smoothly as it 328 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 5: went for me, and I know that it very often 329 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 5: does not go that way, but it was an important 330 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 5: thing for me to hear, and so it was something 331 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 5: that I wanted other women to hear coming from me. 332 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 333 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: I love talking to other mothers who are working, still 334 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: pursuing their dreams and still feeling creatively energized. And I'm curious, 335 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: what is one way that motherhood has changed your perspective? 336 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I mean there's a lot. I think that 337 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 5: it's kind of brought me to my knees. 338 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 4: A little bit. 339 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, because you just are left in like a very 340 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 5: very It's like a simultaneously really powerful state but also 341 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 5: like a vulnerable state, and you're learning everything all over again. 342 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 5: And birth in itself really brought me to my niece, 343 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 5: and also to know that I'm like at the very 344 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 5: beginning of a long I don't know how much further 345 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 5: along you are than I am, but that there's like 346 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: so many unknowns and to feel that again. I think 347 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 5: sometimes you get into autopilot, and this is like just 348 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 5: being completely taken out of autopilot and thrown into like baby, 349 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 5: I'm like a baby. I'm trying to figure out how 350 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 5: this is all going to go. I don't know what 351 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 5: it's going to be like to be on set and 352 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 5: navigating being a mom and being at work and how 353 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 5: to like make that all happen. Let alone, I'm navigating 354 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 5: how to help my child fart. Like, it's just like 355 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 5: you're brought back to the most elementary version of yourself. 356 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 5: I feel like I'm in hyperdrive, just trying to catch 357 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 5: up with the circumstances, the given circumstances, and then there's 358 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 5: like all these beautiful surprises along the way. It's not 359 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 5: just a struggle. It's amazing. But it's really like thrown 360 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: me into a different mode of thinking than I was 361 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 5: just four months ago. 362 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an awakening. 363 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: I love that you said that that it really kind 364 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: of like shook you out of autopilot at such a 365 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: great point totally. 366 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 5: It's like the learning curve is insane. Yeah, And like 367 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 5: we do all this like prep for pregnancy, and there's 368 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 5: like all these books that I was reading while I 369 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: was pregnant on How to be Pregnant, and then like 370 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 5: you get to the fourth trimester. 371 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: And you're like, where was this? 372 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: And then it's just like scrambling to like figure it 373 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 5: all out and you never can, which is also wild. 374 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: We have to take another short break, but don't go anywhere. 375 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: We'll be right back to our conversation with Justine Loop. 376 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: And we're back with actor Justine Loop. So, Justine, I 377 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: don't want to jump around shows, but I read something 378 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: that really interested me. You said that Matthew mcphaden, who 379 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: famously played mister Darcy in Pride and Prejudice, who was 380 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: in Succession, was your teenage crush. Yeah, okay, I'm having 381 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: a meltdown for you because don't make fun of me. 382 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: But like, Channing, Tatum or Usher were my teenage crushes. 383 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: And if I got to work with Channing Tatum or Usher, 384 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: and like if I got to do a talk show 385 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: with either of them, I would absolutely die. I don't 386 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: know how you were on set with your teenage crush. 387 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: Can you please explain this to me. 388 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 5: I didn't handle it great. I mean I was totally 389 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 5: nerdy and like and I was nervous. 390 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 4: I was really weird. I do this thing where. 391 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 5: If there's someone that I'm like a fan of or 392 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 5: that I have a crush on or whatever, I do 393 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 5: like the opposite of what you would think I would do, 394 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 5: where you go up to someone and I like avoid 395 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 5: them at all parts. 396 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 4: That's me, That's what I do, That's what men do. 397 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 4: I completely ignored him. 398 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 5: I stood on the opposite of every room, I could 399 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 5: possibly the farthest point away from him, and I like 400 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 5: wouldn't look at him. 401 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 4: And I do this every day. Today. 402 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 5: I saw Phoebe Bridges in a coffee shop and I 403 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 5: didn't look at her the whole time. I was truly 404 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 5: like the baby was with me, and I was like 405 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: looking at the baby the whole time, just ententionly. 406 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: I was like, I don't want to be weird. I 407 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: don't want to be weird. 408 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 5: And then it makes you so much more weird than 409 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 5: if you just were looking at them or saying hi. 410 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: It was so anyway that happened. 411 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 5: And then I finally, after we'd been working together for 412 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: maybe two months, like I'm not exaggerating a really quite 413 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 5: a long time, I went up to him at a 414 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 5: crafty table and I told him my opening line was 415 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 5: that my boyfriend was named mister Darcy and my phone 416 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 5: when I was in high school, because I was so 417 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 5: obsessed with. 418 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 4: Him, and he's like, oh, that's so delightful. 419 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 5: And then it was just awkward again, and I think 420 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 5: I like went back to like just avoiding him for 421 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 5: a while. But he's wonderful and after six years he's 422 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 5: like a good friend and I like him. 423 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: He's wonderful. 424 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I was obsessed with him in that movie 425 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 5: like goded. When they walked across the field to each 426 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 5: other and like finally kissed, it. 427 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: Was just he's so amazing. 428 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 5: And the thing that's crazy is you realize that Matthew 429 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 5: was so good in that role because he like actually 430 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 5: is a strapping handsome he's like a protagonist. Like he's 431 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 5: like a total hero. He's just beautiful as a guy. 432 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 5: And so you're like, oh, of course you played that 433 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 5: so well because you, like are the most crushable human being. 434 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 5: With all due respect to his wife and not, I 435 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 5: don't all like but he's just like incredible. 436 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: I am having second degree happiness for you. Thank you 437 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: so much for sharing this. I'm truly so overjoyed that 438 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: you had this experience, Me too, Me too. Okay, I 439 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: have to jump to nobody wants this, but I'm staying 440 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: in the romance category. You and Noah's brother season two 441 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: is happening. Congratulations. We're all very excited about that. The 442 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: vibes are intense. Is this gonna happen? Not that I want, 443 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, him and his wife to break up, but 444 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: you guys have a vibe. 445 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 4: We do have a vibe. 446 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 5: I think Aaron's gone on record and said that it's 447 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 5: not going to happen. So that's the only reason I 448 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 5: say I feel comfortable saying that because I feel like 449 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 5: the cat's already out of the bag. But you know, 450 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 5: it's so fun to think about because they've got weird energy. 451 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 4: You're like, let's cross. 452 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 5: That line, and then the reality of it is not 453 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 5: as funny the follow through. There's way more to be 454 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 5: mined out of us just being like weird friends with 455 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 5: like a strange dynamic and like the kind of like 456 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 5: odd couple in the friendship department. 457 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 4: So I'm really excited to see where it goes. 458 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 5: But the will they won't day of it is gonna 459 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 5: come to an end. 460 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: Well, the tension is always the most fun. The tension 461 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 2: is always the most fun to watch. It's never the reward. 462 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 5: I agree, even with like the best love stories, it's 463 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 5: like always the like. 464 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: It's like the gym and Pam like, except not in 465 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: real life. That's called toxic. No, because we're talking about Hollywood. 466 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: It's acting. It's fake, it's not none of but it's real, 467 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: but not in. 468 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: Our real lives. No, that's why. 469 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: I'm not married yet. 470 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 5: Okay, really sweet, are you dating? 471 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 4: Do you have someone for me? Justine? I mean, I'm 472 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 4: gonna wrap my brain because you're adorable. 473 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: You're so sweet. Do you know Channing Tatum? 474 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 4: Is really my question. 475 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 5: I don't know Channing Tatum, but like I recently heard 476 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 5: when I was talking about how good his dance moves are, 477 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 5: that he's recently single. 478 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: So this is what I'm. 479 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 1: Saying, Maybe he'll get on Rayah and I'll have a shot. Okay, 480 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: this is about you. So when you weren't fantasizing about 481 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: mister Darcy and you were dating pre your husband, what 482 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of dater were you? 483 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 4: Ooh, avoidant? I would say, I'm. 484 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: Sensing a theme here, I'm sensing of avoiding people. 485 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, totally, totally no, totally, You've got it. 486 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 5: It's basically I would just be like I think before, 487 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: especially in my twenties, when I was and it's comfortable 488 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 5: with who I was, I felt like I had to 489 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 5: kind of hold everything at arm's length. I wouldn't want 490 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 5: to do sleepovers. I would leave in the morning if 491 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: I did sleepover. I like never really got very deep 492 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 5: into relationships. And then you kind of go like, Okay, 493 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 5: there has to be a time where someone sees my 494 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 5: like shadow or someone really gets like a sustainable stretch 495 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 5: of time to see who I am, and I have 496 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 5: to show this person who I am in order for 497 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 5: there to be any I mean, nobody wants this. Does 498 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 5: a really good job of addressing this topic of like 499 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 5: showing someone who you really are and trusting them to 500 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 5: be able to quote unquote handle you. And so it's funny. 501 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 5: I just know I'm putting that together. But I was 502 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 5: like a very much in the Joyanne camp of being 503 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 5: an avoidant until I finally realized like I wasn't going 504 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 5: to get anywhere with that. And now I'm like an 505 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 5: intimacy junkie, Like I'm like, yeah, I'm like. 506 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: Totally you know, with my current partner. 507 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 5: I was just like very very transparent and open and 508 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 5: he was as well. And it was not hard like 509 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 5: you said, It wasn't a long game. It was like 510 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 5: really easeful feeling. And I was kind of like waiting 511 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 5: for the other shoe to drop the whole time, being 512 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 5: like when is it going to get tricky or game 513 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: playing or hard? 514 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 4: Like when are those things going to come out? 515 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 5: And they just like truly never did, which rules. 516 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: So in the show, Adam Brody hot Rabbi is in 517 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: part so hot because he's emotionally mature and available. If 518 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: you were a bit avoidant, was it your partner who 519 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: made you want to have this intimacy the way Adam 520 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: Brody did with his girlfriend in the show, or did 521 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: you make changes in your own life ahead of meeting 522 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: your partner that sort of like created this beautiful partnership. 523 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: It was a combination. 524 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 5: I think I made a change in my own life 525 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 5: and that before I met him. But I also think 526 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 5: that he has not with the intimacy thing because he. 527 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 4: Was pretty guarded at first. 528 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 5: I actually like met and avoid and was like I 529 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 5: see you. He was also like very evolved and I 530 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 5: think he knew that he was an avoidant and so 531 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 5: he like met me where I was. But I do 532 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 5: think in terms of like rising into the relationship, there's 533 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 5: like an energy that he has that like is like 534 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 5: he's very respectful, and he also like demands like a 535 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 5: certain level of respect, like just inherently in his like energy, 536 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 5: not demands in like an intense like or aggressive way, 537 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 5: but like he's just so respectful and he's so present 538 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 5: and he's so kind that I like rose to the occasion, 539 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 5: I would say. And there was like a part of 540 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 5: me that also didn't play games because I was like, oh, 541 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 5: this person doesn't do that. That's not like permitted, and 542 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 5: this I intuitively can feel it, like that's not this 543 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 5: guy's vibe. And so I'm going to be like I'm 544 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 5: not going to play any games and I'm going to 545 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 5: be like the best version of myself and I'm going 546 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 5: to like show up because he's showing up. And that 547 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 5: was also something that I hadn't seen before in a partnership, 548 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 5: like someone who is like fully there. And I think 549 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 5: that's another one with Adam in the show. It's like 550 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 5: he just is a really good person who's like very 551 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 5: available and like very emotionally evolved and like ready to 552 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: take on a relationship. And I do feel like when 553 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: you're stepping into a relationship with someone like that, you 554 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 5: either have to like rise to the like water sticks 555 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 5: its own level, like you either rise to where they are. 556 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: You're not going to like it's not going to last. 557 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 2: You know what you're describing that I make you have 558 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: with your now husband and the dynamic that Adam Brodie's 559 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: character presents on the show, it was really refreshing because 560 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: it's a healthy definition of masculinity. It's like, you know, 561 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: an inspiring type of masculinity that makes you want to 562 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: come alongside and partner with that person. And I thankfully 563 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: have that in my husband too. But yeah, I just 564 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: loved I love celebrating examples of like really positive masculinity Totally. 565 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 5: Everyone was kind of like, what is it about Adaman's show? 566 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 4: What is it? 567 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 5: And I think that it's like he's sensitive and he's 568 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 5: soft and he's kind, but he's also direct. He has 569 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 5: like the masculine kind of like I want you and 570 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 5: I'm going to pursue you. The masculine feminine balance that 571 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 5: he's got going on is Chef's kiss. 572 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the perfect twenty twenty four rom com 573 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: character like this is the New Age, Richard Gear, the 574 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: new like the one that women want today totally. 575 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 4: And it's also like it's good. 576 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 5: It's like a good thing to be like seeking out, 577 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 5: you know, like I yeah that women like see this 578 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 5: show and they're like that's what I want. I want 579 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 5: someone who behaves like that. 580 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a guilty pleasure. There's nothing guilty about 581 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: like loving this show. He's just good, good people. Justine, 582 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us on the bright Side. 583 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: We had so much fun. 584 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you guys so much. I really I 585 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: had fun. 586 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: Justin Loop is an actor who starred in HBO's Succession 587 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: as well as Netflix Is Nobody Wants This. 588 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 4: That's it for today's show. 589 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: Tomorrow, are Ee opening conversation with board certified psychiatrist and 590 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: adh D specialist doctor Sasha Hamdani. 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