1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Also media welcome to buy the Bastards Q and a 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: special Happy New Year. I am Sophie Litterman and I'm 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: here with my business partner, Robert Evans. 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: Robert, how are you a you know, bracing for the 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: new year, getting ready to really take twenty twenty six on? 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: You know? 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Somebody asked the last time you ate inside in Arby's? 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Is that their lord of that or is that just 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: somebody else? 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have a history with arby 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: I don't know you. As a kid, I loved Hardy's. Why. 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: I think because Hardy's is Carls Junior, though, isn't it. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: I know they're owned by the same people, I swear 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: to God. As a kid, I felt like the curly 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: fries were different. Like that's what I loved about Hardy's 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: as a kid, because I was born in Saint Louis 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: and I have a couple of memories from there before 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: we moved to the farm in Oklahoma, and one of 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: them is eating at Hardy's and them having the best 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: curly fries and then they're not being hearties around and 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: I felt like, as a kid, all of the other 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: curly fries were inferior to Hardy's Curly Fries. Now, this 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: is like a six or a seven year old me, 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: So I'm not speaking up for modern hearties. I'm not 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: even speaking up for the quality of Hardy's Curly fries 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: back then I was a child. But I don't have 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: any Arby's lore is I guess where I'm. 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: I have Arby's Anger because it was like one of 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: the last fast foods I ate before I stopped being 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: able to eat gluten, and it was terrible. 31 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: It was not good. 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: I would have liked, you know, any almost anything else. 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: So fuck you Arby's. Unless you want to sponsor us, 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: then I love you. 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to sponsor us Arby's, I'll tell 36 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: people never to eat any other food. I'll tell them 37 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: that their lettuce is killing them. You know, I'll spread 38 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: whatever lies you want. There's lead in fucking Chick fil A. 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: You know, I don't care. 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: Of all the bastards you've covered, have any surprised you 41 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: by how awful they were? Uh? 42 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's definitely. I mean Georgia Tan would 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: be a great one where I wasn't aware of this person, 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 2: and then I read the summary that like, yeah, she 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: basically created modern adoption. But she was also really abusive 46 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: to kids. And I was like, okay, so this will 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: be pretty bad, and I was still shocked by how 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: bad it was. 49 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it is she. That story is fucked. 50 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: And then you know the one episodes we just did 51 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: on the slave owner in Jamaica whose name is escaping 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: me right now, but the guy who kept like a 53 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: diary of all of the times he raped enslaved women. 54 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: I knew rape was a massive part of slavery. I've 55 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: known that for a long time. You know, in the 56 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: United States and everywhere else the slave trade was pratt 57 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: the Atlantic trade was and obviously every time people have 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: been able to enslave other people, sexual violence has been 59 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: a part of that. I was aware as a particular 60 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: aspect of the plantation system, all of all that stuff 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: like this was not But even so, the details and 62 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: the details of stuff like pickling, like rubbing pickle spices 63 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: into open wounds, making people shit in each other's mouths 64 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: as a form of punishment. The just what that said 65 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: about the mix of laziness and cruelty that was a 66 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: major driving force. 67 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: It was these. 68 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: People who were not respected elsewhere in society had in 69 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: a lot of cases kind of failed out of other 70 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: parts of society or just didn't weren't ever going to 71 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: fit in within like the high society back home. You 72 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: get this sense of both like frustration and this lazy 73 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: kind of cruelty where it's clearly like you were just 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: fucking around trying to like figure out what you can 75 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: get away with. 76 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: Like there's not even I don't know how. 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: To describe it, but like it's it was upsetting to 78 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: me in a way that I kind of was surprised by, 79 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: like the boredom parent to a lot of the cruelty 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: in the slave the slave trade and in the way 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: slavery worked. 82 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: That really did take me by surprise. 83 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: That and I think for me the episodes that you 84 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: You've done a variety different episodes about this, but you know, 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: like the Elon School and the wilderness camps and survival 86 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: schools and just like that nobody, uh, nobody said, hey, 87 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: maybe like don't abuse those kids. 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, And just how common child abuse is, you know. 89 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: That. That's also like another thing that really wears on 90 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: me is how central abuse of children is in every 91 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: bad movement, bad political and cultural movement in certainly Western history, 92 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: and not to limit it just to the West, but 93 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: and and the fact that violence to the ability to 94 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: abuse children is the center of the conservative project today, 95 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: you know, it's a core pillar of fascism. Children are 96 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: the property of their parents. And so if kids become 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: aware of ideas that are uncomfortable to their parents, or 98 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: become inspired to be a kind of person that is 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: not in line with what their parents want them to be, 100 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: that's not an example of human beings being human beings. 101 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: That's a problem, right, That's like, that's an injustice that's 102 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: been done to that parent that they have to see 103 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: their child not become a carbon copy of them. And 104 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: the fact that so many people that that's like a 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: dominant political belief for a lot of the country, it's 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: upsetting and it's difficult because like, kids can't just be 107 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: independent people immediately, They can't just have the same rights 108 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: as an adult immediately because they don't understand the world. 109 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: We do, in fact, have to teach them things and 110 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: guide them. And that's going to mean sometimes saying no, 111 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 2: you can't do this thing you want because you can't 112 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: just have chocolate for every meal, you can't stay up 113 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: till two in the morning every night. You have school 114 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: to go, right, Like, there's there are things you have 115 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: to There's like discipline. Kids do need discipline. Kids need 116 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: to be punished. Sometimes you don't need to be hit, 117 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: but they need to like they That's the only way 118 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: I know of to make people understand the world they're 119 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: coming into. It's like you have to raise them, and 120 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: that means that you are going to be invested with 121 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: a degree of power over them. But I don't think 122 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: that that should translate to ownership, And I think the 123 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: fact that it so often does is like one of 124 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: the root evils of our society that makes fixing anything 125 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: major very difficult, because unless you fix the way children 126 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: are treated and educated and how we as a society 127 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: see like what we see the rights of a parent 128 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: as being, you can't fix a lot of the other problems. 129 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: Somebody asked a question. They asked me, They said, what 130 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: are you up to during the recording of an episode? 131 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: And then they want to know, like why it looks 132 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: like I'm messing on my phone. I'm following the script, 133 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: you guys scripts on my phone, following the script. We 134 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: use the different platforms. Also, like the camera is like 135 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: above my head, so I'd be looking up like this, 136 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: which is not great. So I'm just doing my job 137 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: my friends, believe it or not. That question has come 138 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: up many times in my DMS. Doing my job anyways, Robert, 139 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: do you have any Australian Bastards planned for the future? 140 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: Uh, well, we did one. 141 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, last year we did. We did do one late 142 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: in the year that I felt was a really strong 143 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: episode about the the island of Ghari and you know, 144 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: the bastardy inherent to that, and like the myth that 145 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: got spread about the brutality of the the natives that 146 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: was not really accurate or fair and how it led 147 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: to justified a lot of violence in days afterwards. And yeah, like, 148 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: there's definitely more Aussie's I want to cover. I am 149 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: not as knowledgeable about. There's two things that have pulled 150 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: me back from doing more in the past. Is number one, 151 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: I just don't know a lot about Australia, and number two, 152 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: the Dollop guys have done a lot of Australia episodes 153 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: and several times I found myself and obviously we have 154 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: overlap with the Dollop. There's some episodes I've covered first. 155 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: There's a number that they covered first. That's unavoidable. It 156 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: happens with lions led by donkeys. I don't It's not 157 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: a big deal, right, it's history. We're all allowed to 158 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: talk about history. But I try to avoid it happening 159 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: too much. And I have had several times where I'm like, oh, 160 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: this is an interesting Australian bastard and like, oh no, dollup, 161 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: guys just covered it. And a lot of times it's 162 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: recent enough that I'm like, well, I don't want to 163 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: just immediately, you know, hop onto the same thing, but like, yeah, 164 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: I do, I definitely will cover or Assy's please do 165 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: post on the subreddit. You know, I've been meaning for 166 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: a while to ask the moderators to have like a 167 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: stickied thread that's just episode suggestions. I do actually find 168 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: it really helpful when people suggest bastards, because like the 169 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: big effortful episodes, the bastards, I know, like Nixon. I 170 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: know I'm going to get to Nixon. I know it's 171 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: going to take a lot of time. I don't need 172 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: help with that, but it is really helpful when, like 173 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: periodically someone will just like, oh, here's an article that 174 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: leads me to like reading for ten hours about a 175 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: piece of shit, and then I can write an episode 176 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: about it, and it's something that happened to the news, 177 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: or it's something that like I don't need to do 178 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: as crazy an amount of research on I'm not reading 179 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: three books or whatever. I'm not spending four or five days, 180 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: you know, full time reading about this. I can do 181 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: my research in one or two work days and then 182 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: write the episode. It's really helpful when people suggest stuff 183 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: like that, so you know, if you've got some ausy 184 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: pieces of shit you want to hear about, so just them. 185 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: We got the same question about bastards from Mexico. I'm 186 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: assuming it's the same answer. 187 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will add I've been wanting to do the 188 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: Pancho Villa episodes for a while. I'm not fully certain 189 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: if I'll come down on him more in the bastard 190 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: or freedom fighter category. I think he's probably he's some 191 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: A and some B. I'm not super knowledgeable about him 192 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: yet other than like the broad strokes, but I've always 193 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: found that period of time interesting and wanted to report. 194 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: And it's also really important for like the evolution of 195 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: modern counterinsurgency tactics and doctrine, and just. 196 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: Like armored doctrine. 197 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: Right, it's arguably like the first use of armored vehicles 198 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: in in combat, or at least one of it's on 199 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: the it's one of the one of the conflicts that's 200 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: sort of like you can make a case. So yeah, 201 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm I'm interested in doing more Mexican bastards. 202 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: For sure. 203 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. 204 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: Sure, we're back. 205 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite bastard topic of twenty twenty five? 206 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: Was there somebody you covered or something you covered that 207 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: was your favorite? 208 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: I mean in terms of what I've felt was like 209 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: the best work I did and the most useful things. 210 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: Because there was a really good article about the Zizians 211 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: that was in depth, but it didn't really it was 212 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: more an in depth article about their crimes as opposed 213 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: to how they got from A to B. You know, 214 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: how the belief system started, how ziz really evolved into 215 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: a cult leader, and how they wound up being what 216 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: they became, right, like, how they wound up believing all 217 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 2: the things, because you get even in that I believe 218 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: it was a wired piece that was very good or 219 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: rolling stone. It's in the episode, you know, I quote 220 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: I cited the sources and whatnot, But there was a 221 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 2: really good long form piece, but it's still a lot 222 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 2: of it came out as like, and here's what's a 223 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: crazy thing they believed. 224 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: They believed you know this. 225 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: About AI, right, or they believe this about you know, 226 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: like you would just kind of get the broad strokes 227 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: of like the game theory shit that they they believed about, 228 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: Like here's why you have to murder people in all 229 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: of these instances because otherwise this like cascading chain of 230 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: logic will happen. But you didn't get like a, here's 231 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: the thought process that led them to that? And I 232 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: thought that was really interesting. I thought that was the 233 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: most interesting part of the zizzy And story is how 234 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: you end up You start from like some fairly basic 235 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: logical arguments that lead you to this completely unhinged and 236 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: murderous worldview in a fairly short span of time, just 237 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: by never looking back or really questioning where your previous 238 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 2: conclusions have taken you. I found that really interesting and 239 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: so I was definitely like most satisfied with how those 240 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: episodes came together. 241 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: Which bastard, do you wish you'd spend more time on 242 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: Slash would revisit if you could m I mean, we 243 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: didn't finish Shimmler. 244 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't finish Himler. There's more Himler to do. 245 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: There's always more, you know. It struck me this year 246 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: that I still have never done just like Hitler Hitler episodes. Yeah, 247 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 2: we've done a lot of Hitler episodes, but they're all 248 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: because there's so much to say about him. We've done 249 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: likely here's two parter on his sex life. Right, here's 250 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 2: like some weird facts that you don't know about the man. 251 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: Here's like some you know, a. 252 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: Two parter on his history with like drugs and substances. Right, 253 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 2: and he shows up as like the b character and 254 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: a lot of other bastardy stories. But I haven't just 255 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: done a here was Hitler's childhood, right, Here's here's here's 256 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: where he came from. And I, yeah, I should do that. 257 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: I'll make sure that happens in twenty twenty six. I 258 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: wish I could do more LRH episodes. I think I've 259 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: just covered everything Hubbard really did. I don't know that 260 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: there's that anything else to say about him, but I 261 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: do miss talking about him. 262 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just missed that guy. 263 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 264 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: He's your special boy, do you have a dream guest 265 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: on the podcast that we haven't had on yet. 266 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: I mean, Paul F. 267 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: Tompkins is a dream guest and we'd have had him on. 268 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm hoping to get him on. He gave us a 269 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: very nice shout out as Santa Claus on a podcast recently, 270 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: and I would love to have him back your future. 271 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: I just I'm always with Paul. I'm always. I really 272 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: not that all of our guests are great. I appreciate 273 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: everybody who comes on the show. With someone like Paul. 274 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: I really want to make sure it's like the perfect 275 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: episode for him. Yeah right, And so I'm very like 276 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: discriminating as to like what I want to. 277 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: Pitch in that regard. 278 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: I there's some guys that like part of me thinks 279 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: would be a dream to have on that I know 280 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: it probably wouldn't be great. 281 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: Like to help me your heroes. 282 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: I would just love to hang out with Werner Herzog 283 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: more than doing a podcast with him. If I had 284 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: the opportunity to do anything with Berner herzag would be 285 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: like cook an elaborate dinner together, try to like cook 286 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: with him, because I feel like that would be the 287 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: best way to like get to know that guy. He 288 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: could be a it could be a fun guest. I 289 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: don't know that that would actually is actually how that 290 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: would shake out. 291 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: I want you to I want you to read a crazy, 292 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: crazy script to Shaquille O'Neil. 293 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't know much about shaq Shack. Why would Shack 294 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: be a good guest? 295 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: Because he would? He would, because he would one hundred 296 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: percent would he's a good time, he'd be up for it. 297 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: Which historical era would you say, couldad's the most bastards 298 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: per capita? 299 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: Hard to beat? 300 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: The early twentieth century, late nineteenth early twentieth century. That's 301 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: like the from like eighteen fifty to nineteen fifty, we 302 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: are in just prime bastard teary. And I don't know 303 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: entirely if it's I'm sure a big chunk of it is, 304 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: just that that was the first era in which modern 305 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: historiography and modern journalism were really firing on all cylinders, 306 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: and so you had a lot of detail about all 307 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: of these pieces of shit, and a lot was explored 308 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: and investigated, and guys who in an earlier era might 309 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: not have been covered because while they were doing terrible things, 310 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: they weren't one of the big names have we know 311 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: about guys like Iikman, right, Whereas if Eikman is helping 312 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: to orchestrate a genocide in the sixteen hundreds, maybe we 313 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: don't get nearly as much about him, right. Maybe we 314 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: get his name a couple of times, but there's not 315 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: even agreement about like what he did. Just because of 316 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: how the media worked, we had a lot more detail. 317 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: I know that's a big chunk of it. 318 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: But I also just think it was also opportunity, Like 319 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: the technology was moving so fast and there was so 320 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: much political disruption option that there was an incredible amount 321 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: of opportunity for a bunch of people to seize and 322 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: grab positions of power and influence that they wouldn't have 323 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: had access to earlier or later in more settled times. 324 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: And you know, those are like the poem said, it's 325 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: those are the times of monsters, right, like that, that's when, 326 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: And we're unfortunately in a similar time now where I 327 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: don't know, I don't think I would say that there's 328 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: a higher percentage of bastards now than at any other 329 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: time in history, But they've never been so visible. There's 330 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: so many of them that have and because they are 331 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: running the entire media, ecosystem, not just like news outlets 332 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: and television and whatnot, but like social media, Like all 333 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: of the big social media apps are run by some 334 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: of the monsters who have tailored their algorithms to support 335 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: other of the monsters. So it's never been it's I 336 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: don't know if i'd say there's more bastards now than ever, 337 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: but it's never been so hard to avoid hearing from them. Right, 338 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: they have the biggest microphone that they've ever been given. 339 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: And also it's a time of you've had a bunch 340 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: of different governments over the last twenty years collapse or 341 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: reach you know, moments of near collapse. You have economic turmoil, 342 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 2: you have social turmoil, and a bunch of new technologies 343 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: that have given a lot of these assholes an opportunity 344 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: to get the one thing they want, which is power. 345 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: And they are all scrambling to position themselves as highly 346 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: as possible, and ideally they're trying to become a permanent overclass, right, 347 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: a permanent They're trying to make themselves into the new 348 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: aristocracy on a global scale. And that I think it's 349 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: had a tendency to activate a lot of people, including 350 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: a lot of people who maybe in a different era 351 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't have been bastards like, not that they would have 352 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: been good people, but they wouldn't have had seen an 353 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: opportunity to reach out and grab in being a monster 354 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: to other people. Like I wonder in a different era, 355 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: if JK. Rowling, you know, has incredible success in the 356 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: early eighteen hundreds, right, she probably never gets known for 357 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: anything else it. You know, maybe people would have come 358 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: found her letters, you know, decades after her death and 359 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: been like, oh, she harbored some really bigoted views, you know, 360 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: but it would have been more like HP. Lovecraft right 361 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: where you've got this guy who people really like their writing, 362 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: they've become very popular, I mean Lovecraft was after his death. 363 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: But and then also, oh yeah, and they was like 364 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: super racist in like a lot of their private correspondence. 365 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: You can see some hints of it and some signs 366 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: of it in there in some of their stories, like 367 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: as opposed to what Rowling is, where this is not 368 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: just a person who wrote some books people liked and 369 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: also has some bigoted opinions that people became aware of later. 370 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: And oh you can kind of see bits of it 371 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: in her writing. No, this is a person who has 372 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: turned themselves into an activist and is dedicating their time 373 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: and their money to hurting a specific group of people 374 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: as much a she possibly can. A group of people 375 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: who have no like organized systemic power or wealth to 376 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: even begin, you know, fighting on at the level she 377 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: is fighting on in like financial terms, it simply doesn't exist. 378 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: And you know, what she's doing is deeply cruel and unhinged. 379 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: And I don't think something someone in her, someone would 380 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: have been like her, would have been in a position to. 381 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 3: Do in an earlier era. 382 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: Right, Not that she would have been a better person, 383 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: She just wouldn't have made her bigotry everyone else's problem 384 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: to the extent that she can. And I think there's 385 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: a lot of that too. I think there's a lot 386 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: of guys and girls out there who are major figures 387 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: of shittiness to all of us that we know that 388 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: in a different era, they probably just would have kept 389 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: that shit to themselves. 390 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: Take a quick break. 391 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: We're back, sure, and we're back. 392 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: Robert, has doing the show changed your views on anything? 393 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 3: Hmmm? 394 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: How could it not? Though? Like knowledge is knowledge is power. 395 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: I guess like it depends on what you mean by 396 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: changed my views in like a fundamental sense. It hasn't 397 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: changed anything big in that. Coming into the show, I 398 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: thought it was probably a bad idea to give people power, uh, 399 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: And I felt like it's probably a bad idea to 400 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: give people huge amounts of money. And both of those 401 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: things put together damage people in ways that makes them 402 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: harmful to themselves and others. Right that, I came into 403 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: the show believing all that sure, and all of that 404 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: has only been reinforced. I believe it more strongly than 405 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: I did before. I think one of the things I 406 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 2: have come around on I have a much darker idea 407 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: of what needs to be done to people who are 408 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: trying to destroy civil society, trying to destroy the lives 409 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: of millions or billions of other people for their own 410 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: power and wealth. 411 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: I am not a. 412 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: Rehabilitation person when it comes to those people. I am 413 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: not a forgive and forget. I'm not a reconcile person 414 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: like I am a. If anyone progressive or liberal takes 415 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: power again in this country, the responsible thing to do 416 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: is a reckoning, and a reckoning that will end very 417 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: badly for a decent number of people. Like A, I 418 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: am a believer in punishing the folks who are doing 419 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: this Right now, and I simply don't see any other 420 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: way that this country can move forward and have any 421 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: hope of a better future without going through a period 422 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: of extreme ugliness. And that is not something I really 423 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 2: believed in the same way prior to doing this. But 424 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: I have become convinced that one of the great I mean, 425 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: one of the great catastrophes of the twentieth century was 426 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: that we really botched the Nuremberg Trials. We botched a 427 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: lot of aspects of the peace after World War Two, right, 428 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: we did not punish nearly enough Nazis, and we didn't 429 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: punish them with the brutality that they deserved based on 430 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: what they had done. And as a result this, that's 431 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: the only thing I think might have made some of 432 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: the people sticking their heads up now so boldly less 433 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: willing to do that. Right, And the same thing is 434 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: true with like the Confederacy after the Civil War. We 435 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: should have hung a lot of those guys. I mean, 436 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: every elected leader in the Confederacy should have been hung, 437 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: and I think most of their military officers as well. 438 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't have been against just 439 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: hanging all of the slave owners. Quite frankly, you know 440 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: by that point, and I think if we'd done that, 441 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: there wouldn't have been a law cause narrative. We wouldn't 442 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: be dealing with a lot of the problems that we're 443 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: having in the United States at this point now that 444 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: there wouldn't be other problems. Not that we'd be a utopia, 445 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: but I just don't think it's ethical to let people 446 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: who do stuff like that go live their lives peacefully afterwards. 447 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: What do you have any gardening plans for twenty twenty six, 448 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: Anything you're excited to grow this year? 449 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: Oh? 450 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: Not really, I kind of half asked it. This year 451 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: on the gardening, I didn't grow nearly as many potatoes. 452 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: I just got kind of lazy and exhausted, I did. 453 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 2: I have a bunch of potatoes flowering in my front 454 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: yard right now that I didn't plant. They're just endemic 455 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: to the yard, which is nice. That's cool, Like I 456 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: just kind of have a permanent community of potatoes always growing, 457 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: so I'll grow more potatoes. I'm hoping I can really 458 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: get back and into the swing of things there and 459 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: grow more than I did last year. We're really trying 460 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 2: to reduce the size of our of our herd of 461 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: the sheep and goats this year, you know, giving some 462 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 2: to friends. Uh, it's time to harvest some of the 463 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: older ones. 464 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: Don't get rid of don't get rid of Sophie. 465 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: There's just there's just more animals that I want to 466 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: be taking to get rid of him now. So I'm 467 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: trying to find places, uh me wants some of them 468 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to keep. I want to keep like a 469 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: you know three. 470 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: Don't get rid of him. 471 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: There's too many right now. 472 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: But don't get rid of him. We've bonded. 473 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'll do with him, but we've bonded. 474 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's he's a good he's a good. 475 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: Good at his main job, which is making more goats. 476 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: So I may try to find someone who is looking 477 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: at starting a herd of their own, because he's he's 478 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: really he's hand trained, he's sweet. But I also may 479 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: just you know, keep him with a couple of weathers, 480 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: which are like males that have been castrated, and they 481 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: can just be a little community for a while. 482 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what I'll do with them. 483 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: I am, I'm I am. 484 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: This year was a real like half ass on all 485 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 2: of the guard I was just so tired and exhausted 486 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: after twenty twenty four, the election, my dad died. I 487 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 2: just I couldn't get my head around it to the 488 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: extent that I usually do. And I guess I'm waiting 489 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: to see. I don't fully know. Am I going to 490 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 2: like wind up half assing it again this year? Am 491 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: I going to get back into the swing of things? 492 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: I don't actually know, So we'll see what Robert does 493 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: in the new year. 494 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: Sophie's gonna do some some spring gardening Sarah Sarah Marshall, 495 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: my friend Sarah Marshall, the legendary Sarah. Sarah's a very 496 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: very good gardener, and we are going to Uh, there's 497 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: a good, good, good spot of dirt at my house 498 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: that we're going to take advantage of, so we'll grow 499 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: some things. 500 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, some goats. 501 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: If you get rid of Sophie that go I will 502 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: be so butt hurt. Anyways, last question, what brought you 503 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: joy this year? 504 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: Robert? Uh huh, great question. 505 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Your wonderful business partner. 506 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: My wonderful business partner, Sophie brought me joy. I in general, 507 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: like I feel I have a lot of satisfaction in 508 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: what you and I have built here. And how many 509 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: of our friends have jobs and health insurance and you know, 510 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: can pay their mortgages or pay for kids or just 511 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: like live. I feel good that we've been able to 512 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: build basically like a little sanctuary for a small chunk 513 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: of like weirdos that I love, and I'm proud of that. 514 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: It's a good thing to be able to do. And 515 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: I'm proud of the fact that we actually delivered news 516 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: that I think is important to a million or so people, 517 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: and it seems to matter to a lot of folks. 518 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: We get a lot of messages from people talking about are. 519 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: You talking about causes you talk about it could happen. 520 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: Here, talk about all of our ship in general? 521 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: A million? Yeah, that is it could happen to yourself 522 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: gets Oh. 523 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm talking about in terms of actual people. 524 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: I think we probably have somewhere around a million, you know, 525 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: regular and semi regular listeners. 526 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: I think it's more than that. 527 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, it's hard to tell with Internet numbers. 528 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: You know, how many were like, well over five hundred 529 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: million listens on behind the Bastards. How many people is there? 530 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: You know? 531 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: What brought me joy was seeing you, And I mean 532 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: I was there, but you and prop doing that live 533 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: show we did. 534 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: The live show was great. 535 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you guys were great that night. 536 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: Raising all of that money for the bail fund. I 537 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: really felt good about. Yeah, me too, Yeah, yeah, I 538 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: just love I try not to do too many fundraisers 539 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: are asked. I mean, thankfully, you know, ads and stuff 540 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: we're support and we don't have to, you know, ask 541 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: fans for like money to keep the lights on. Not 542 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: that there's anything wrong with that. I've been misinterpreted in 543 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: the past is saying I think it's like immoral to 544 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: do a Patreon not at all, how I feel it'll 545 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: be a very silly belief for me to hold. But 546 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: I do feel good about the fact that I try 547 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: to be like, really cautious about like when we do 548 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: fundraisers in for Who, And I'm really proud of the 549 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: fact that every time we do, we raise a lot 550 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: of money, often tens of thousands of dollars, and we 551 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: can do it in very short order, in a matter 552 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: of days or like a week, you know, sometimes less 553 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: our audience, I think, because we're fairly careful about when 554 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: we do it. Our audience, you guys, listeners always do 555 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: show up and I feel really good about that because 556 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: we were able to We've really helped a lot of 557 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: people doing that, and we've done it kind of with 558 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: a lot of intention because I do I have a 559 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: lot of respect for how hard it is to make 560 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: money and the amount of work people put into having 561 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: any and so I'm going to ask our listeners to donate. 562 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be really careful about it because I do 563 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: respect that a lot, and I want to be, you. 564 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 3: Know, respectful. 565 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, anyways, I feel good about that, huh. 566 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, I don't know. 567 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: Hang in there, everybody, you know, you're the you're all 568 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: being All of us are being slammed face first with 569 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: like all of the worst, most hopeless news that can 570 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: be put in front of our faces every single day 571 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: and every single night. 572 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 3: That is. 573 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: Just how life is right now. And it's miserable. Nobody 574 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: likes being bombarded with bad news at all times, and 575 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: it's it's it's meant to keep you angry and keep 576 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: you wanting to fight, and keep you on those apps 577 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: and like sharing and scrolling and raging. And I guess 578 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: what I want to and I know that you all 579 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: know this. We always talk everyone is always talking about 580 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: how bad social media is for your mental health, and 581 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: we all keep using it anyway, we all keep using 582 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: the phones anyway. And I'm not you know, I spent 583 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: an hour and a half this morning going between Reddit 584 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: and fucking Blue Sky. I'm not coming at this from 585 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: like a oh, I figured out how to you know, 586 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: cleanse my life of these things. 587 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 3: And I'm not looking down. 588 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: On people for not but try to keep in mind 589 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: when you feel like completely hopeless, everything's fucked, there's no 590 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: way to fix anything that like. You are feeling that 591 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: way because billions of dollars have been devoted, tens of 592 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: billions of dollars have been devoted to making you feel 593 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: that way because it's good for Mark Zuckerberg's bottom line, 594 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: good for the bottom line of a couple of other assholes. 595 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: Right, And. 596 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: While we all live in this muck and you can't 597 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: fully separate yourself from unless you have the money to 598 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: just like buy a homestead and the mountains and not 599 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 2: interact with the rest of the world, which most of 600 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: us don't. You have to keep in mind, no matter 601 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: how angry you get, no matter how justified the anger is, 602 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: no matter what real problems you're looking at that your 603 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: emotional state in that moment is not purely based on 604 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: the reality of what you're reading about, of what's happening 605 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: in the world. It is also the product of a 606 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: concerted effort to make you hopeless and enraged at all times. 607 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind. 608 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: Find people that like the same weird shit as you 609 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: and become friends with them. 610 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I did. 611 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: Sure, I love all you weirdos. You know who you are. 612 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: I love about forty percent. 613 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: To be on statistically speaking, Bye bye. Behind the Bastards 614 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: is a production of cool Zone Media. 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