1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from how Stop 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Kristin and I'm Caroline and Caroline. Today, let's tackle a 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: question that has crossed the mind's probably every menstruating woman. 5 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: What is that tampon's tampons and whether or not tampons 6 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: caused toxic shock syndrome? And what is toxic shock syndrome? Anyway, 7 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: this is a basic question that we really have not 8 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: addressed in the eight thousand episodes of Stuff Mom Never 9 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: Told You. We have done, even though we've talked about 10 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: tampons and plenty of times, we've talked about menstruation plenty 11 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: of times, but toxic shock syndrome, as a listener kindly 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: pointed out, is something that we have not directly addressed. 13 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: And I remember when I was a young lass and 14 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: I found a box of my sister's tampons, and you 15 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: know that that sheet that they have inside, Yes, the 16 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: answer to the insert with the diagram of the female 17 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: pelvis and how you put a tampon in, and then 18 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: in bold letters you see toxic shock syndrome. And in 19 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: my mind, I thought these are very dangerous. Why would 20 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: women do this to themselves. I was scared. Well, I 21 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: remember reading the insert because my you know, I've said 22 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: before in the podcast that my mother never had a 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: sex talk with me and that I was just kind 24 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: of left to my own devices slash romance novels to 25 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: figure things out. And it was the same thing with tampons, 26 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: like she handed me a box and or she bought 27 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: me a box, and I think left it strategically on 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: my bathroom counter. And so I followed the diagram to 29 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: a T down to like Chris, and I laid down 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: on the floor to insert my first tampon. I was like, 31 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: so scared. I was like, how do I It's it's 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: pointing strange. I'm pretty sure I did that as well. 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, I I read the insert and I read 34 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: the thing about toxic shock syndrome, and I was like, Holly, Molly, 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: what is this. I'm gonna die if I put in 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: too many tampons. But I mean I think because of that, 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: I changed my tampon like way more than necessary every 38 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: thirty minute. Yeah, yeah, I don't. The thing about the 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: the insert is that you come away knowing that something 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: terrifying called toxic shock syndrome exists. And that you could 41 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: potentially die from it, but it doesn't really tell you 42 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: what your chances are and what it is. So before 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: we get into toxic shock syndrome, let's go over very 44 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: briefly when we started using tampons to begin with, because 45 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: obviously administruation is not a new thing, and we've been 46 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: improvising up until the nineteen thirties when tampons became mass marketed. 47 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: But before tampons, Caroline, what kind of stuff were women 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: using during men's struation? Just any old thing like what 49 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: like what Egyptians Kristen in the fifteenth century BC. Well, 50 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: they used softened papyrus, so you'd write a note to 51 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: your friend and then after after she read it, you 52 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: just you just slug up that keep it there um. 53 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: In Rome they used wool. Japan they had paper held 54 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: in place by a bandage, which the name for that 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: bandage was the Japanese word for pony id. Just like 56 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: to point out, I like that and you would change 57 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: it ten to twelve times a day. I mean, how 58 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: do you have time for anything else? But anyway, Indonesia 59 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: they use vegetable fibers. In Equatorial Africa, rolls of grass, 60 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: Hawaii people would use a furry part of a native 61 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: fern called the hapoo, and other grasses, mosses and plants 62 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: all throughout Asia and Africa. Yeah, and in the US, 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: as more revealing clothing styles came into vogue, Uh, it 64 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: spurred the need for internal period absorbers. When I'm talking 65 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: about tampons, because when you were wearing bustles and lots 66 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: of quinoline and such, uh, you could get away with 67 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: wearing a pat all the time. But then once the 68 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: silhouette became more close cut to the female body than you, uh, 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: the need for the for tampons increased. And fun tadbit 70 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: that I did not know about was that after World 71 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: War One there was greater interest put in developing tampons 72 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: because there was this highly absorbent surgical dressing called sell 73 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: you Cotton that needed a new market after the war ended, 74 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: and what can you make with absorbent surgical dressing? T 75 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of technolog technological development around tampons. 76 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Dr Earl Hass was the first to develop an applicator, 77 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: a little cardboard applicator, because his wife was having so 78 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: many problems with the bulky pads and adult diaper type things. Yeah, 79 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: and the idea came to hass after he talked to 80 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: a friend of his in California who used a vaginal 81 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: sponge for her periods. Um. Yeah, has actually sold the 82 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: patent to Gertrude Tendrick, a German immigrant who became tam 83 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: PACs is first president. She made the tam PACs on 84 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: her sewing machine at home. Yeah, has said a little 85 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: bit of a sad story because he had his patent, 86 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: he couldn't really do anything with it. And then savvy 87 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: Gertrude comes along, buys it up forty two dollars and 88 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: builds the tamp PACs empire. And it was really in 89 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: the mid to late n Thanks to Tampacs with that applicator, 90 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: the tampons started to become more readily available and more 91 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: widely used, and everything was all fine, well and good 92 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: tampons were just chugging along. Tampacs and other companies are 93 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: figuring out how to make more absorbent tampons and so 94 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to change the tampons all the time. 95 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, in the nineteen eighties, 96 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff goes awry. Yeah, all of these 97 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: lawsuits started cropping up because toxic shock syndrome emerge. Yeah. 98 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: Toxic shock syndrome was first officially identified in nineteen seventy 99 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: eight in a study, but it wasn't the kind that 100 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: we would think of as related to to tampons. It 101 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: appeared in seven kids between eight and seventeen years old. 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: The study was published in the Lancet Journal, and in 103 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began 104 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: investigating some follow up reports of fifty five toxic shock 105 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: syndrome cases and they noticed a pattern among the women 106 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: because of that group was female, and of those of 107 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: women who came in with t s s, we're on 108 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: their period. Yeah. A CDC and u C. Berkeley report 109 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: from n talks about this time and says that toxic 110 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: shock syndrome emerged as a result of changes in industry 111 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: and personal behavior, but responded to rapid public health action, 112 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: including active surveillance. So all of a sudden, these people, men, women, children, 113 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: menstruating women, non menstruating women, women who used tampons, women 114 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: who didn't use tampons. People were all of a sudden 115 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: having this disease, this problem, and so people, researchers doctors 116 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: responded pretty pretty quickly to the outbreak. Yeah, and the 117 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: CDC investigation in some additional case studies implicated rely p 118 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: are brand of super absorbent tampons, and in September of 119 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: nine eight, rely pr Is pulled off the market voluntarily 120 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: because of this t s S problem. And the thing 121 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: in the tampons that the CDC suspected was causing the 122 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: problems was a polyester foam that was cross linked with 123 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: another synthetic fiber, and it's a combination that's no longer 124 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: used in tampons and in polyakrelate containing tampons were also 125 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: withdrawn from the market because of concerns over toxic shock syndrome. 126 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: And we should highlight yet again that those rely pair 127 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: tampons were the super absorbent kind uh and women may 128 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: have been leaving them in longer and and as a 129 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: result of this tampon tampon gate n eight, there was 130 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: a flurry of media reports about the dangers of tampons 131 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: because doctors still weren't entirely sure and really still aren't 132 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: today what the connection between tampons and toxic shock syndrome was. 133 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: They knew it had something to do with a super absorbancy, 134 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: perhaps women leaving them in their vaginal canals longer, and 135 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: also those synthetic fibers. But for instance, the New York 136 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Times called it a baffling disease that was thought to 137 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: be linked to the reversal of blood flow, and in 138 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: November of nineteen eighty, the Times also reported toxic shock 139 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: amongst six hundred and fifty two people with sixty three fatalities. 140 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: But we should point out around this time that after 141 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: the Rely brand tampons were pulled, TSS cases continued to 142 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: be reported, so it wasn't like it was just Rely 143 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: or just super absorbent tampons. Up to sixteen percent of 144 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: the reported cases after the fact after Rely pulled its tampons, 145 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: up to sixteen percent of these cases we're in children, men, 146 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: and non menstruating women, and usually were associated the localized 147 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: staff infection, so it's not just like you know, leaving 148 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: a tampon in too long. There are also links to surgery, 149 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: especially like transplant type surgeries, but the legacy, the public 150 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: legacy of toxic shock syndrome isn't something about what happens 151 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: perhaps on the operating table, but more so continually linked 152 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: to tampon's kind of the same way that intra uterine 153 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: devices still battle a negative reputation that they got in 154 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties when one particular brand had a 155 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: negative impact on I forget what the specific uh side 156 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: effect was for women um. And in two for instance, 157 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: the first federal jury award of nineteen thousand dollars was 158 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: doled out to a woman who contracted TSSUM after using 159 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: plate Tex brand tampons. And there were more than four 160 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: d other victims of toxic shock who filed suit against 161 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: Procter and Gamble, which were the makers of the rely 162 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: pr campons. And I mean around this time, it was 163 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: sort of a cycle because all right, so people, men, women, 164 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: children start contracting this disease somehow, this this crazy disease 165 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: that has all of these scary symptoms, uh, and that 166 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: was fatal some of the time. So the media starts 167 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: reporting on it. Tampons are an interesting angle. The more 168 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,359 Speaker 1: the media reports on it, the more cases are reported. 169 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: So it's the cycle of like, oh my goodness, so 170 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: you you do have to ask, and researchers did ask, like, uh, 171 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: is this a case of their being more or is 172 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: this a case of the reporting just kind of crystallizing 173 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: and coming together and realizing, Okay, what we may be 174 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: thought was something else is actually toxic toxic shock syndrome. 175 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: So they looked at the death rate, the fatality rate 176 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: of this disease, and it does, it does ramp up. 177 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: Eighty eight deaths were known who have occurred in nineteen 178 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: eighty two, which was the time of the Institute of 179 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: Medicine report being written about this. It was the first 180 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: major report about toxic shock syndrome. They found that before 181 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, fifteen people were reported to have died 182 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: from TSS, thirteen in nineteen seventy nine, forty four in 183 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty and fifteen in n one. So there's definitely 184 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: like a bell curve, but a lot of that has 185 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: to do with increased awareness. So the increased awareness is 186 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: a double edged sword. More more cases are being reported, 187 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: but also more women are aware of how to safely 188 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: use tampons so and maybe go to their doctor when 189 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: they noticed symptoms. And it does improve the industry in 190 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: terms of getting products off the market that turn out 191 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: to not be so good hanging out inside of your vagina. 192 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: But one thing we have not addressed yet, Caroline is 193 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: what is toxic shock syndrome anyway? Yeah, so you know, 194 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: as much as there was a giant scare in the eighties, uh, 195 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of people were talking about it. TSS 196 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: is actually a rare bacterial infection that is historically associated 197 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: with the use of super absorbent tampons and occasionally with 198 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: the use of contraceptive sponges um. Often it results from 199 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: toxins produced by wait for it, I'll pronounce it staphylo 200 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: caucus aureus staff bacteria, but the condition may also be 201 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: caused by toxins produced by group A strepped a caucus 202 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: bacteria or strep. So basically, if you have had doctors 203 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: say that if you have had a previous staph infection 204 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: or really severe strep infection, you just should not use tampons, 205 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: like as a general rule, like if you have had 206 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: a very severe previous infection of this type. And I mean, 207 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, kids, we've all had strap before, but they're 208 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: talking about like, if you've had something really severe as 209 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: an adult, you should probably avoid tampons because of that bacteria. 210 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: And it's characterized by having a fever, the shock and 211 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: problems with the functions of several bodily organs, which is 212 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: why it is so fatal. It can be fatal enough 213 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: to of cases. And do I need to even go 214 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: through the symptoms because they're wide ranging and similarly upsetting, well, 215 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: one of them, one of them. Okay, yeah, this is like, 216 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: this reads like the worst webin D entry ever. You know, 217 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: webin D. It's always cancer. But so well, I guess 218 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: we don't need to go into everything. But one particular 219 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: sign of TSS is a widespread red rash that looks 220 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: like a sunburn with skin peeling that occurs one to 221 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: two weeks after the rash, particularly on the palms of 222 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: the hands and the bottoms of the feet. And this 223 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: occurs also you know, there's there's hypotension with a high fever, headaches, 224 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: So it does affect a large portion of the body. Yeah, 225 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: and that's why you know it can be challenging to 226 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: diagnose UM and why you know looking for rash is 227 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: important because otherwise, you know, you might have symptoms like headache, fever, diarrhea, 228 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: low blood, sugar, muscle eggs, which could be any number 229 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: of things. And like you said, if you get to 230 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: women D, probably cancer of your entire body. Um. But 231 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: one thing to emphasize is that yes, men can develop 232 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: it too. We've said it before in about of toxic 233 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: shock cases. It affects non menstreating women, which includes men, kids, 234 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: and post menopausal women. Now, as far as prevention, uh, 235 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: it's some common sense stuff that you should keep in mind. 236 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: If you use tampons and you know you're a menstuating 237 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: woman in general, Uh, you need to change your tampons frequently, 238 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: at least every four to eight hours, and consider using 239 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: the lowest absorbency tampons. You can't. I always use just regular, 240 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: non scented because you know, we all, we've all we've 241 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: talked about scented things in the podcast. To try to 242 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: alternate pads and tampons and avoid using tampons at all 243 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: when your flow is very light. And the thing is 244 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: and I'll rely re emphasize this toxic shock syndrome can recur, 245 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: so if you've had it before or a prior serious 246 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: strep or staff infection, just try not to use tampons. 247 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: And the reason why doctors will urge you to change 248 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: your tampons regularly is that left in place, they become 249 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: a breeding ground for bacteria. And with those super absorbent 250 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: fibers to the tampons might be able to scratch the 251 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: surface of the vagina, making it possible for bacteria or 252 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: their toxins to enter the bloodstream. So it can set 253 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you up for some some bad stuff going on. But 254 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: if you're now saying, well, oh, I'm just gonna stop 255 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: using tampons, no, it's not a thing that you have 256 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: to stop using tampons. TSS is extremely rare. This shouldn't 257 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: be some kind of scare tactic, you know, away from 258 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: tampons um. But one other way, though, if you are 259 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: worried about toxic shock, menstrual ups might be a good alternative. 260 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Go ask Alice that we've started many times over at 261 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: Columbia University and other sources will confirm that menstrual cups 262 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: might be one way to lower your risk of that. 263 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: But again, though, because of the fact that these cases 264 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: can happen outside of the realm of menstrual products, you know, 265 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: it's it's not just that that we need to pay 266 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: attention to. Even though when we think of toxic shock 267 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times, the next thing we think of 268 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: is tampons and periods. Right, there's also reusable cloth paths, 269 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: but those don't really necessarily prevent toxic shock syndrome either. 270 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: It's just that the risk is probably slightly lower than 271 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: with tampons. Um glad Rags, who are the makers of 272 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: one type of reasonable cloth pad, say that their product 273 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: is a safer option because blood is not staying in 274 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: the vaginal canal where the development of TSS is most 275 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: likely to occur, while the risk is still minimal. Tampons 276 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: create more ideal opportunity for the growth of these bacteria 277 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: and dry out the vaginal canal by observing the vagina's 278 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: natural moisture, which can lead to minute tears and increase 279 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: the chance of t SS. Nowadays, though we don't hear 280 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: as much about toxic shock syndrome, it seems like when 281 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: we hear about it, it's things like you and I 282 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: were talking about, like, oh my gosh, you've hit peobody, 283 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: you started your period, you've started to use tampons, and 284 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: you just read about it as some weird, abstract, scary, 285 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: nightmarish thing in an insert and in reality it is 286 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: a bit of an abstract thing because it has such 287 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: a low incidence rate. For instance, in two thousand one, 288 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: according to stats from the CDC, the annual incidents rated 289 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: TSS was one to two cases per one thousand women 290 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: from fifteen to forty four years old, but that staff 291 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: doesn't say whether or not it was tampon related during 292 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: this time. A less common form, the non menstrual TSS, 293 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: did stay fairly constant from ninety nine to and like 294 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: we said, that's often associated with hospitalization and surgical procedures. 295 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: But what's up with the decline after the eighties? You know, 296 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: we talked about how you know, there's increased awareness you know, 297 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: women women uh no to maybe take better care when 298 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: they're using tampons um The c d C. You see 299 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: Berkeley report that we sat it earlier from cites the 300 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: decrease in tampon absorbancy, the standardized labeling required by the 301 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: US Food and Drug Administration, greater awareness like we said 302 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: about the disease, and the proliferation of educational materials for women, 303 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: including those scary tampon package inserts. However, of the minstrual 304 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: cases of TSS continue to affect women thirteen to nineteen, 305 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: and age group that maybe needs more education, maybe because 306 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: TSS has been out of the mainstream news for so long. 307 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: This younger group of women is more prone to get 308 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: it because they just haven't been hearing about it. Yeah, 309 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: and then we need to know about how to what 310 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: it is and how to prevent it. And not to 311 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: say that the only way you can prevent it is 312 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: to would never ever ever wear a tampon, But it's 313 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: just knowing how to take care of your body, you know. 314 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: It's it's simply not good for you to leave a 315 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: tampon in for a really long time. Right. You would 316 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: change a bandage on your arm frequently, wouldn't you. Yeah, 317 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: And that's actually one other tip that the Mayo Clinic 318 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: offers for t SS prevention because any place that you 319 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: have an open wound like that, you have the opportunity 320 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: for bacteria to get in there for some kind of 321 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: staff infection to develop into t s S. So it's 322 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: more than just tampons, hooray, but it's also tampons. It's 323 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: also tampons. So to to cal many fears, we can 324 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: say that t S S, while it does have a 325 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: scary range of symptoms and candy fatal, is extremely rare, 326 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: and that tampon technology has certainly improved and if you 327 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: are not comfortable with tampons. There are plenty of other 328 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: options out there, such as pads, uh, menstrual cups, reusable pads. Yeah. Maybe. 329 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if if this is something that really worries you, 330 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: the next time you go talk to your doctor, just 331 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: ask him or her about it, maybe find out some 332 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: stats or some opinions or just some suggestions. Absolutely. So 333 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: I hope that answers and you know, all questions about 334 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: toxic shock. And remember men, you are not immune as well. Yeah, 335 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: so there you go, toxic shock, not just tampons. Uh. 336 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: So I would like to hear from other women, especially um, 337 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: whether or not they had similar experiences as Caroline and 338 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: I did with kind of being freaked out about what 339 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: is this t S S thing? Are these tampons gonna 340 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: kill me? Yeah? But I mean, hey, I'm I'm twenty nine. 341 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: I haven't had any problems with tampons. Knock on wood, 342 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: knocking on wood. Well, then, as your letters, mom, stuff 343 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: at Discovery dot com is the email address, so you 344 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: can also hit us up on Facebook and now here's 345 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: some letters. Well, I wanted to share a heartwarming letter 346 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: that we got from a vy in response to our 347 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: podcast from October about peggeria. A V writes the quote 348 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: you read from I think her name was Hayley was 349 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: a little girl in England with peggeria. It really rang 350 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: true with me. She said that if she had three wishes, 351 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: she would in fact not wish away her progeria. Personally, 352 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: I have something called Marfan syndrome, which is a genetic mutation, 353 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: and it affects the physical appearance and can be life 354 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: threatening in certain cases. I too have been asked would 355 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: I rather not have this mutation? If I had the choice, yes, 356 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: I would be better off physically, I'd be healthier, and 357 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: I would have fewer restrictions. But I would not be 358 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: the same person. I would not be as sensitive and 359 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: caring and kind as I am now, and I wouldn't 360 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: empathize with others in hard situations. So I wouldn't trade 361 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: my experiences for anything. My disease slash syndrome shaped me 362 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: into who I am today. I know it sounds a 363 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: little cliche. Lastly, I firmly believe that any hardship that 364 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: has put onto you can help you get where you 365 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: need to be and forces you to grow where otherwise 366 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have. It's a little inspiration from Maybe Thank you, 367 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: and I have an email here from Robert about our 368 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: Black women at the Oscars episode. He says, near the 369 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: end of the podcast, I heard you guys mentioned Carrie 370 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: Washington as the star of the show Scandal. 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