1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie. Oh yeah, and Samantha, and welcome 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: to stuff. I've never told your production of IHI Radio. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: I forget what we were doing for a second. I'm sorry. 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: That's all of us, Samantha, and that's all of us. 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: And this is a very special episode because it's a 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: woman around the world Today. We wanted to highlight some 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: listener mail that we've received from some of you, lovely listeners, 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: women and non binary a like and yeah, yeah, you 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: are the focus around the world, around the world, and 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: we're hoping to do more of these so always, we 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: love hearing from you. Keep those messages coming. They brighten 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: our day so much. And if you have a hard 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: time figuring out our email because our email is complicated, 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: just to message us. Yes, yeah, Twitter, Instagram you can 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: find us. Yeah that we've been told the email is clunky, 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: and we hear you, and we know we know that's true. 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: We don't disagree. We do not disagree. Maybe we can 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: contact someone about changing it. So let's let's dive right 19 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: in here. Bryce wrote a long time listener, first time caller. 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to say that at L O L 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. Yes, do please listen to meet me 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: at the Altar. They are amazing pop punk all us 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: a few other bands, spirit Box, Ganzer, Pleasure, Venom Police, Styrene, 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: Bam Bam. So this was in response to episode we 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: did on email and Pump Pock and did of pop punk. 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: Excuse me, unfortunate misogyny in that world, but we we asked. 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: We we put out a call for women and non 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: binary folks in that space making amazing music, and you 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: listeners have responded and I'm very very excited about these recommendations. 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to check them out. Oh, I have 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: one more for you from one of our Instagram followers 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: slash listeners. Obviously, her name is Kelly at or at 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: least that's our Instagram name, and I'm gonna say Tradester, 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry if I just butchered your name. We 35 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: love you. But they recommend that we do a diet 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: sig for a girl pop punk band as well, So 37 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: put that in your suggestion box. Oh, I am so excited. 38 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: I'm legitimately very very excited to check these things out 39 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: down um. And then we also have Katherine who wrote 40 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: forgive me if you did mention it, and I spaced out, 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: but Julia Kiski of Germany is the first woman to 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: win individual gold in eventing, which we just figured out 43 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: was an equestrian triathle lot apparently, So there you go. 44 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: That's very cool. Despite frequently beating out the men in 45 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: the annual f EI five star events, which are actually 46 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: more difficult than the Olympics, only this year do we 47 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: finally have a woman as the individual gold medalists. And no, 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: we didn't know that, So thank you. That's incredible and 49 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: congratulations to Germans that yes, that was one of the 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: events when I was saying, like, when I was watching 51 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: these Olympics this year, and the announcer would be like, 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: this is the first time a woman is ever won 53 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: a medal and a question is one? I was like, 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: what really? Right? So, yeah, that's amazing and thank you 55 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: for bringing that to our attention. Um, we have another 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: email about the Olympics from Steph who wrote, really enjoyed 57 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: your Olympic Wins for Women Part one episode. I have 58 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: many feelings and opinions about the Olympics this year, which 59 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: have made me less than enthusiastic about watching most events, 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: but I followed the women's soccer events closely, as I'm 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: a big fan of Canada's national team. I don't know 62 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: if this got much press in the US, but their 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: gold medal win made Quinn the first openly transperson to 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: win an Olympic medal. Yea whate our major national news 65 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: sources has a piece on win here, which I thought 66 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: was pretty well done. I also had a good chuckle 67 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: at Trump's expense, given that his quote woke means you 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: lose was so proven wrong after their in My partner 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: and I chanted woke wins. As a general observation, I 70 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: can't be the only one who finds the IOCs non 71 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: reaction to trans athletes are very confusing given their obsession 72 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: with women's bodies in general. Right any who, thanks for 73 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: the great work. I love how open you have been 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: about your own growth, experience and opinion. Ps It goes 75 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: without saying, but bronze is certainly a win, and any 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: of the U S women's national soccer team athletes could 77 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: run circles around Trump any day of the week. Thank you, Yes, 78 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: thank you, and yes we did go on to talk 79 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: about that in our Olympic Wins for Women Part two. 80 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: But that is a huge achievement. And long overdo. And 81 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I love your reaction the partner, your partner, your reaction 82 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: to it. Um that way, and congratulations to you, to 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: Quinn and to you because that is very exciting. I know. Canada. Yeah, 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: even though there's a little bit of competition. Way to 85 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: go Canada. Yes, we are proud. And then listener Lauren wrote, 86 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: first of all, I love the podcast. It is super informative, therapeutic, 87 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: eye opening, and has changed my life in so many 88 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: meaningful ways, especially your segment on bisexuality. I was closeted 89 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: for a long time, and when I try to come 90 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: out seven years ago, I was talking to an extended 91 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: family member I was living with and close to at 92 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: that time, and I had been experiencing physical and romantic 93 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: attraction to women for years by that point, and decided 94 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: to take the first step. They simply scoffed at me 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: and said, quote, you're like college girl gay oh no um, 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: and I can be super impressionable, especially around people I 97 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: look up to, and that statement really stuck with me. 98 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: I already didn't feel like my sexuality was legitimate, and 99 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: while that conversation didn't stop me from further pursuing relationships 100 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: with women, it certainly fueled my existing doubts and insecurities. 101 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Fast forward to seventeen, when I first started dating the 102 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: man who would become my husband. While I wanted to 103 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: share that part of myself with him, I just couldn't 104 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: do it. Some days I felt like a fraud, and 105 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: other days I would think, what's the point or the 106 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: old standby? Was I just trying to feel special? Also, 107 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: I didn't want to offend anyone either. It felt like 108 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: claiming something while hiding behind hetero privilege. I resolved it 109 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: was too late to come out. Then, in June of 110 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I saw Sminthy's newly released segments on bisexuality 111 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and gave them a listen. It was like waking up. 112 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: I thought, whoa wait, and what am I doing? Why 113 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: was I thinking about it the way that I was. 114 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: Of Course, I'm bisexual. I love women, and I love 115 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: being with them romantically and physically. Obviously, I'm bisexual and 116 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm engaged to a man. That's what that means. And 117 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: so I summoned the courage and came out to my 118 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: then fiance, and what happened next cemented our relationship for life. 119 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: He thanked me for opening up to him, didn't judge me, 120 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: and committed himself as an ally. There was no but yeah, 121 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: how many women have you even dated? Or but you're 122 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: straight now right? No allusions to by phobia or by 123 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: rature could be found, and no perverted propositions of threesoms 124 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: that definitely would have been a dealbreaker, greed. I eventually 125 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: decided to come out to my parents and sister, who 126 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: met me with nothing but love and support. And so 127 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: I've been slowly but gradually coming out, not because I 128 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: feel like I have to, but I want to. While 129 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: my journey is far from over and it's not all sunshine, safety, 130 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: positivity and openness, I'm far happier than I've ever been, 131 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: and I'm so glad I found your podcasts. And now 132 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: for the second part of this email. Yeah, a second 133 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: part which first you want to celebrate that first part, 134 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: congratulations and that gives us all the fields. Yes, I 135 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: connected with so much of that, and I'm so happy, 136 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: so happy we could be a part of this in 137 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: any way. You've been largely it sounds like accepted by 138 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: the people in your life. That's fantastic, And we're so 139 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: sorry about your earlier experience and glad you've been met 140 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: with so much love and support. You deserve that. Yes it, Yes, 141 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: onto the second part. I have show recommendations and we 142 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: love those. I'm here to recommend the show Good Omens, 143 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: which you're not the first. So I'm excited to hear 144 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: about this Good Omens to you if you haven't already 145 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: seen it. It is a fantasy comedy created and written 146 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: by Neil Gaiman, based on his and Terry Practice novel 147 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: of the same name. It is a six episode mini 148 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: series on Amazon Prime that starts Michael Sheen and David 149 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Tennant my love as the angel a zero Fell and 150 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: the demon Crowley, who secretly worked together to stop the 151 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: impending apocalypse. Now, it does have religious things to it, 152 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: which can be off putting if you, like me, grew 153 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: up religious, going to church and having negative associations with religion. 154 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: But those religious elements are more related to world building 155 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: and how a Zero Fell and Crowley exists within and 156 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: react to that world. Plus, the show is light and humorous. 157 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: I can't express my love for this show enough. And 158 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: here's the main reason why. Firmed by Neil Gaiman, A 159 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Zero Fill and Crowley story was written with the beats 160 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: of romans. Not only that, but I think it is 161 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: the male male a sexual love story we've all been 162 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: waiting for. So here's the Twitter quote that she included 163 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: to thank you quote. I wouldn't exclude the idea that 164 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: they are as or a romantic or trans. They are 165 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: an angel and the demon, not as make humans. Per 166 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: the book, a cult ethereal beings don't have sexes, something 167 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: we try to reflect in the casting. Whatever Crowley and 168 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: A zero Phil are, it's a love story. And that's 169 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: from Neil Gaiman himself, So thank you for that. Um 170 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: So for more background, angels and demons are sexless unless 171 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: they make an effort Q characters with they then pronounced 172 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: archangels traditionally male played by female actors. Adrogeny female actors 173 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: playing demons who aren't at all sexualized, not even a 174 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: little bit. Crowley's ginger fluid energy and God is voiced 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: by a woman, and the show never makes ginger presentation 176 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: the butt of a joke. There's even a scene where 177 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: the demon ally applies to be a nanny for the Antichrist, 178 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: and in doing so, he caused plays as Mary Poppins, 179 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: simply because, according to the book, Crowley loves that movie. 180 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: David TenneT as Crowley in this amazing Mary Poppins inspired outfit, 181 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: and it's not the butt of the jokes even once. 182 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: The only joke in that bit is the lullaby he 183 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: sings to the supposed Antichrist about going to sleep and 184 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: dreaming of the day he will destroy and rule the world, 185 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: and to talk that all off. The Angel and the 186 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Demon don't declare their love for each other through physical 187 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: acts of love or even in a cinematic kiss, but 188 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: through their words, spending qualities time with each other e g. 189 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: Romantic mills with champagne, toasts at the Ritz, and acts 190 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: of service. Anyway, I really like for you both to 191 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: watch and let me know what you think, maybe even 192 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: do an episode on it. I'm really curious to see 193 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: the show from a fresh perspective. I painted a pretty picture, 194 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: but the show still has flaws. While Neil confirms that 195 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: avoiding transphobia altogether and giving up you to the gender 196 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: binary when Apple Coble was what they were going for, 197 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: they may not have always achieved it. Also, Crowley's cosplay 198 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: as Mary Poppins did unfortunately see some backlash as some 199 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: did interpret it as transphobic. She asked, am I blinded 200 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: about my love for DT Neil? Maybe? Either way, it's 201 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: really entertaining watch and it was even how I got 202 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: into fan fiction. Annie. So many fan fiction and the fandom. 203 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: Everyone is so nice and the enthusiasms reminds me of 204 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: super Who Luck two point oh, without the queer baiting, 205 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: or at least i'd like to think so. So I'm 206 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: guessing super who Lock is Supernatural Doctor Who Charlock. Yeah, 207 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: all right, I did it. Thank you, so proud of you. 208 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm so happy, Lauren that this space has been welcoming 209 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: to you in terms of the fandom and writing fan 210 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: fiction or reading fan fiction and also welcome. And I'm 211 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: sorry because I just introduced a friend of fan fiction 212 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: and she's very grant me, but also very happy because 213 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't sue your world. But yes, I love this show. 214 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: I have not seen it yet. I really recommend it. 215 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: I want to watch it after reading this email again 216 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: because I think I just watched it without my feminist 217 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: lens on. But I think a lot of times when 218 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: I do like something, it is because it has those elements, 219 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: It has those things of like, oh wow, there is 220 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: this really close relationship and it's not sexual, but it 221 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: does have this feeling of like being romantic, of being 222 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: really committed, which is something I've been thinking about a 223 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: lot lately. This is this idea of like being committed 224 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: without the sexual part, but like just finding those people 225 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: that are your people. Did they sign up for a 226 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: new season? I thought that was happening. I think so, Yes, 227 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: I believe there will be another one. Also, Yeah, I 228 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: did really enjoy the book, but you definitely we should. 229 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: We should watch it, do an episode on it. I 230 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: need to watch it. I'll put it on my list 231 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: any new things anyway, Just as long as it doesn't 232 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: make me cry or feel bad about the world, I'm 233 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: gonna feel bad about the world. No, I don't think. 234 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't mind destroying the world, just bad about it. 235 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: Are there dogs that are going to be marred? Lord? 236 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't remember, and that hopefully there isn't one. And 237 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: then you'll be like you will bring you and Lauren 238 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: and cry about it for a day. I tell that's true. 239 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: It's very stylistic, it's very like the design is really cool, 240 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: I think, and you and I have talked about this. 241 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: I think as people who did grow up religious and 242 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: for some reason, I do gravitate a lot of times 243 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: towards religious horror. It's definitely not a horror show at all, 244 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: but like I do find myself like I just know 245 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: that stuff. I know the Bible and I know these stories, 246 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: so I will say names like a Zara Phil as 247 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: well as Crowley is not in my realm of Bible studies. 248 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: So probably I mean that's like a demon. Yeah, I 249 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: mean you've got you've got the finbe Yes, thank you, 250 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: thank you for that message and for sharing your experience 251 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: coming out. Um, it's just very very beautiful, and yes, 252 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: we should watch the show, and yes, added to our list. Yes, 253 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: So I want to include this next one because and 254 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: it actually kind of relates to what we just read. 255 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: We're about to do an upcoming book club on the 256 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: book Ace by Angela Chin, and so some of the 257 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: stuff we're touching on we're going to touch on in 258 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: that episode, including this, which is kind of fictional representation 259 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: of Ace people. So Brandy wrote, I want to thank 260 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: you for your happy hour on sexuality. I'm writing in 261 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: to give Annie some validation. I've identified as arrow A 262 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: since I was twenty four and thirty five now and 263 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: It has been a long road of self doubt and 264 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: fear and jealousy and disbelief that I could to ever 265 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: have a happy life without a partner. But there has 266 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: been so much joy too, and that's where I have 267 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: to remember. I'm already living that happy life, finding a 268 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: community online, coming out to real life friends who have 269 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: validated and uplifted me, going to Pride and waving my 270 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: ACE flag with a big smile on my face, getting 271 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: so excited any time a public person or character comes 272 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: out as ACE. Feeling smuggling. I don't have to deal 273 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: with terrible boyfriend's relationship drama, so I want to share 274 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: that whatever you're going through, I probably thought it and 275 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: felt it to you, and I see you. I'm proud 276 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: of you. Thank you. You don't have to have any 277 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: answers right now. It's scary, but I feel like we'll 278 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: never regret being true to ourselves, even if we don't 279 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: have the exact words for who we are, are what 280 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: we want. I found Bella Depolo's site very helpful and 281 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: not feeling alone. She's not ACE, but she is happily single, 282 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: and I've leaned on her wisdom so much over the years. 283 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: You should check out her work if you haven't yet, 284 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: bella depolo dot com. I've also found solace in pop 285 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: culture where I can. There's a new wish book called 286 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Loveless by Alice Osman that made me feel so represented 287 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: and seen. Should definitely pick that up if you haven't yet. 288 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: I keep a list of characters who seem ace to me, 289 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: and Luke Scott Walker is at the top of that list. 290 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: In New Hope, he seems more in awe of Leia 291 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: than anything else and Empire, his reaction to her kissing 292 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: him was less excitement attraction than satisfaction that he was 293 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: getting attention over Han, who was clearly bothered by it. 294 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: I think Luke's smirk was more about Luke knowing Han 295 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: like Leiah than liking her himself. When he found out 296 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: she was a sister. He wasn't disgusted or ashamed that 297 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: he'd been attracted to her. He just looked like he thought, 298 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: that's why I like her so much. We're a family. 299 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: Mary Poppins is also very obviously ace. Watched that jolly 300 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: holiday scene with Burr and tell me she has anything 301 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: but platonic feelings or him. He makes a move and 302 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: she gently rebuffs him. Then he teases her later by 303 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: naming all of his gal pals and she acts offended. 304 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: It is most definitely two friends joking around. She's Ace 305 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: in the sequel to There's Elsa from Frozen Movies. Of course, 306 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm all for hashtag give Elsa a girlfriend, but they didn't, 307 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: so we get to keep Ace Elsa. Mark Wattney from 308 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: The Martian not to hint of romance in his life, 309 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: but great friendships and most of the Hobbits from More 310 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: of the Rings, marriage doesn't seem important in their culture. 311 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: Claire from Jurassic World, I think she's hetero romantic Ace, 312 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: ari Adne from Inception. She could not have been less 313 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: interested in Arthur's kiss, and Crowley and Zero Fell from 314 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: Good Omens pretty much confirmed by Neil Gaiman, although he 315 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: accepts all ahead canon. And my favorite Joe from Little Women, 316 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: who cannot be bothered with men and wants to stay 317 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: with her family forever. And Luisa may Alcott only married 318 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: her off because she cave to her publisher's pressure. I 319 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: have more, but this email is already feel as it is. 320 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: I think writers try to include characters who aren't interested 321 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: in partnering up, but they don't have the vocabulary, are 322 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: the desire to make them ace or they know that 323 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: higher ups will insist on a love interest. So I'm 324 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: really eateful for the ones who do show up on 325 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: our screens. Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you for 326 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: that message. Is so kind and I totally agree with 327 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: you on Star Wars and I love it. Yeah, I've 328 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: got another good omen shout out here, and I I do. 329 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, we're gonna be talking about this 330 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: with the book obviously, but I just feel like my 331 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: ideas are expanding. There's a lot of things I'm like 332 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: lifting off. Well, it doesn't have to look this one 333 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: way or doesn't have to look like this, and and 334 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: then there are all these different interpretations or are ways 335 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: that people can be and people can be happy. So 336 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: I love that, and I am really really grateful for 337 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: people who have sent these messages of their own experiences 338 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: and and being so open with us. So we really 339 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: do appreciate it. And speaking of if you would like 340 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: to contact this you can't thanks to all the listeners 341 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: who we who we highlighted in this Women around the 342 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: World episode. But if you would like to email as 343 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: you can emails at stuff Media mom Stuff at iHeart 344 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: media dot com. 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