Speaker 1: It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: you guys, or should I say oh mg, we have
Speaker 1: a very very exciting show for you today. Well, it's
Speaker 1: not just exciting for all those listening, it's pretty exciting
Speaker 1: for one of the hosts. Oh my gosh. Okay, So
Speaker 1: her guest, our guest start today is Andrew Shoe. You guys,
Speaker 1: I'm dying. She's so excited. Okay, is so excited because
Speaker 1: you you know, this is our third and final, well
Speaker 1: supposed final melrose Place recap show. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: third episode, and we've heard in the first episode you
Speaker 1: straight out of the gate were like, I love Andrew Shoe.
Speaker 1: I have a crush on him. I had a crush
Speaker 1: on Billy, I have a crush on Andrew. It's happening.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, like I'm having like flashback like Brian
Speaker 1: Austin Green vibes right now, Like I'm getting who Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. I don't bag. That's been bagged and done.
Speaker 1: And you know how how how excited Amy Sugarman is
Speaker 1: to be with it with us again today today to
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit sad you guys, Like I'm
Speaker 1: sad well, can we go back to Andrew Shoe for
Speaker 1: just one second? Because okay, so we have this private
Speaker 1: uh nine O two one OMG chat that we had,
Speaker 1: and Amy just like she didn't like prep us or
Speaker 1: call us and be like, hey, you guys, you know
Speaker 1: we could get this or reaching out to Andrew Shoe.
Speaker 1: She was just like, by the way our guest start
Speaker 1: this episode, she put a picture of him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I dropped my phone, you guys. I got
Speaker 1: so nervous. And yeah, so even right now I'm having
Speaker 1: flash I'm really nervous to talk to because I feel
Speaker 1: I feel okay, you know that feeling. I got filming
Speaker 1: with Brian again on pH and W and I felt
Speaker 1: like I was sixteen and you had to talk me
Speaker 1: through and you were like, you're gonna be okay. You're
Speaker 1: a grown woman, you have five kids, You're you're good
Speaker 1: to talk with you right now. Yeah, because I feel
Speaker 1: here's what's going through my head. Oh my gosh, Jen
Speaker 1: has to do all the talking. Amy'll ask great questions.
Speaker 1: I need to just shut up because I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be smart enough and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say the right things, and it's taking me back
Speaker 1: to meeting him at that party, the premier party that
Speaker 1: we were at, where I was like, my dad was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Andrew Shoe is casting, maybe he would be good.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, am I gonna
Speaker 1: get fixed up with Andrew Shoe? And I met him
Speaker 1: and I was so nervous and nothing. I felt like
Speaker 1: he was like, we talked, he was super nice, but
Speaker 1: he was probably like, nah, is that the only time
Speaker 1: you ever met him? No? I mean we would do
Speaker 1: Fox events over the years, but I don't think, you
Speaker 1: know what, We never had like a yeah, I'm scared.
Speaker 1: My dad was like, oh, my dad, hey, babe, my
Speaker 1: daughter would be great for you. She's single, she's blonde,
Speaker 1: she has a big crush on you big And I
Speaker 1: probably didn't even know him, but he probably said that
Speaker 1: might be the first time I've ever heard you imitate
Speaker 1: your dad. You're really good at his voice, by the way,
Speaker 1: that which makes sense because that was the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever done it. That's really really good, Really it did.
Speaker 1: Thank god I took a chance and it came out.
Speaker 1: I just totally had a vision of you dressed as
Speaker 1: him and us doing some sort of like weird parody
Speaker 1: about I don't know, but you're gonna play your father.
Speaker 1: I feel it. Um, you just gave me chills because
Speaker 1: she is a little intuitive with stuff. So we gotta
Speaker 1: do this wool brainstorm. Okay, okay, really fast. I will
Speaker 1: say this, and I don't want to make you more nervous.
Speaker 1: But Andrew Shoe is aging like fine fine wine, which
Speaker 1: I think you say that about all men, amy, you
Speaker 1: say that every freaking man rancho. Yeah, I went down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole that is I just said, ho, rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking myself right now. I just I went down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole that is Andrew Shoe after you sent
Speaker 1: that picture, and I was like, I mean, we we
Speaker 1: have been, you know, we have worked with his wife.
Speaker 1: We've been Oh my god, I can't I'm so flustered.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And she's so she interviewed us and
Speaker 1: she's great, um and no disrespect, but her husband is Wow,
Speaker 1: did you admit to his wife your crushed? She didn't you, kid?
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was her husband when we
Speaker 1: were interfewing with which makes sense for me, But uh wait,
Speaker 1: didn't you went down a rabbit hole? You went down
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole. Where you mean on Instagram? Now, I
Speaker 1: just said Instagram. I don't know what. Oh, no, you
Speaker 1: know what I did Google because in my mind, Andrew
Speaker 1: Shoe doesn't do social media. I don't think he does now.
Speaker 1: I didn't even check it. Instagram looked always for his
Speaker 1: like whatever pages. Remember, he's like a billionaire. I don't
Speaker 1: want to overstate it because I'm sure the Internet is wrong.
Speaker 1: But it was like basically like he's a billionaire. What
Speaker 1: they said his net worth? Yeah, they also say mine,
Speaker 1: and that's whoa. Wait, that's good to know. So sometimes
Speaker 1: that stuff is wrong. That stuff is always wrong. Always
Speaker 1: the Internet's wrong. We could look up your net worth
Speaker 1: right now and you'd be like, what look up Amy
Speaker 1: Sugarman's net worth? The only thing it ever got right
Speaker 1: that I'm privy too, is it? They they mentioned the
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand, wait, five hundred million dollar estate that
Speaker 1: my dad left that I did not inherit. So whoa
Speaker 1: that was right? Fair? Jen, Yeah, I wonder if Andrew's
Speaker 1: Shoes gonna buy it with his billions. I don't Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Oprah, I always google Oprah's net worth because
Speaker 1: can we ask him if um, well, let's see how
Speaker 1: this goes. If he if he like, if I don't
Speaker 1: screw this up, maybe he would be interested in financing
Speaker 1: m Jen and I want to do a remake of
Speaker 1: Death Becomes Sor. That's been our dream forever. Maybe he'd
Speaker 1: like to finance it. He might. Why don't we start
Speaker 1: with let's ask him was net worth is? First? Are
Speaker 1: you a billionaire? Butter him up? We should ask him
Speaker 1: about his book because you had me as that kids.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we had to talk all of the things.
Speaker 1: Andrew Shoe. I can't wait where I mean functions for
Speaker 1: him because did you guys notice he can't type? Oh,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the episode before Andrew comes?
Speaker 1: Should we just get into it because you clear a
Speaker 1: little bit? A little bit? Okay, we're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: you guys about episode three, Lost and Found, aired July. Synopsis.
Speaker 1: Jane faces near disaster when she goes out on the town.
Speaker 1: Jake prepares to break up with Kelly, and Billy finishes
Speaker 1: his first Directed by Charles Braverman, written by Frederick Rappaport
Speaker 1: and Darren Starr. Yeah, okay, so this episode starts on
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. That's what it started.
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, who the heck is that? And
Speaker 1: be what show am I watching the same thing? I
Speaker 1: was like, let's go with your hair? Wait, can you
Speaker 1: confirm it was Allison? Right? No, that wasn't Allison, you guys,
Speaker 1: I like trying to go like this, but it was.
Speaker 1: It didn't. It was just some other blonde. Some other
Speaker 1: blonde could have been you could have been me. It
Speaker 1: was not Allison, though. He was so creepy and murdery
Speaker 1: and that was his like bad novel or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like the the gangster was creepy. His hairs
Speaker 1: looked back fine, he was so I thought I was
Speaker 1: watching like a vodka commercial or something. Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: like yeah, absolute model, say what w t Yeah right? Literally,
Speaker 1: who the heck is that? That's what my notes say?
Speaker 1: Is that? But then and then he comes back from
Speaker 1: the dream and he's typing like this hunting pack. I
Speaker 1: think they used to call that hunting pack. Yeah, huck,
Speaker 1: he went to Dartmouth typing at Dartmouth. Amy, he's a genius.
Speaker 1: Didn't you take typing in high school? Computer? Can you? Can?
Speaker 1: You guys type like you use your hunting Nope? By
Speaker 1: hunting pack a D F g U huh and then
Speaker 1: period semi crillon l K you remember how do you
Speaker 1: remember that? I'm looking at it? And then you like
Speaker 1: go up and down from those, but you always stay
Speaker 1: on your home roabe. So like if you were typing Jenny,
Speaker 1: can you like look at me while you're typing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: f no, no, I'm a hunting pecker. I do one
Speaker 1: at a time, never gonna change. Billy was doing and
Speaker 1: I know if Andrew Shoe couldn't. It was super distracting.
Speaker 1: Why did they tell him to do that? I want
Speaker 1: to be honest. At first, when they when you saw
Speaker 1: him at the computer and his hands were like under
Speaker 1: the computer, under the desk, I was like, what is
Speaker 1: happening right now? What is what? What is happening? Did
Speaker 1: they have porn back then? This was I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought he was really getting excited about also wrote
Speaker 1: because it was like two that's like apple to e
Speaker 1: you guys. It was like humongous and it had like
Speaker 1: um floppy disk. I'm gonna go back to the girl
Speaker 1: that I thought was um Courtney Thorne Smith Allison Um.
Speaker 1: So I did do a double take, but the hair
Speaker 1: was different. It was a little off. But this is
Speaker 1: like an Amy thing. I feel like they cast her
Speaker 1: because it was foreshadowing that that's his type. I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, his current wife,
Speaker 1: Andrew Shoe's current wife fits the mold totally Amy Robock.
Speaker 1: She really doesn't. She's beautiful, but she is blonde, beautiful
Speaker 1: yep like Allison, like the girl in the dated Allison
Speaker 1: a real life Yes, we have to ask you know,
Speaker 1: we're not asking him about that. It was huge. It
Speaker 1: was we were a couple, Yeah, we can huge huge
Speaker 1: like off camera, they fell in love during me the
Speaker 1: they met there started filming. Wait, did you just will
Speaker 1: it for me? Because Billie and Allison are become a couple,
Speaker 1: a real couple. Oh my god, obvious I even seen it.
Speaker 1: Nothing's ever been so obvious. I don't want to be,
Speaker 1: you know, speculate or assume. I'm googling this right now.
Speaker 1: How long were they together for? Alison looked Courtney Thorne.
Speaker 1: Smith looked particularly pretty in this episode. Her clothes, but
Speaker 1: I have such a problem with her clothes that I
Speaker 1: can't even can invest in the character. I'm sorry. With
Speaker 1: the Giant Blazers. How long did they date for doesn't
Speaker 1: say that yet, but there's it's very confusing because there's
Speaker 1: pictures of them from Melrose Place, but then there's definitely
Speaker 1: pictures of them like where you're like, are you dating?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Are it was fact? Right? Like
Speaker 1: I didn't just say okay, I feel like we're very
Speaker 1: like Howard Sternish today? What's your net worth? Did you
Speaker 1: date him? What her? We talked about a little. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna before I know because Andrews is gonna
Speaker 1: be on for a second, So you little questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put yourselves in Allison's position, so we're skipping ahead, but
Speaker 1: she reads his crappy novel. Put myself in her position. No,
Speaker 1: I would not make tunic cast role. No, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: wear that outfit and done. But I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about the Tunic Castle. But would you tell Billy
Speaker 1: the truth? Have you ever been in that position in
Speaker 1: real life where someone handed you some script? Because you
Speaker 1: guys are like big famous actresses, like inducers, what would
Speaker 1: you do? Would you tell the truth or would you lie?
Speaker 1: I don't think I would tell him. It was trash
Speaker 1: like like she was pretty harsh, like straight. She didn't
Speaker 1: even offer up some positive She said, like, first you
Speaker 1: kind of like you gotta roll into that. I hate it.
Speaker 1: You gotta be like, well, it was really structured, really well,
Speaker 1: and I really felt there was the beginning and an ending.
Speaker 1: I saw it super clearly. Love the character of Da
Speaker 1: Da Da, But you know, I don't know that's the
Speaker 1: trains she's You've been trained so well, Okay, So this
Speaker 1: comes from years and years from Jen and I producing
Speaker 1: stuff and being in writer's rooms, and we used to
Speaker 1: not know, so we would just be like, honest, you know,
Speaker 1: like what is this? Oh sorry, not like Alice, and
Speaker 1: we'd be like, we don't like this and this, you
Speaker 1: know what if this? And then we were schooled that
Speaker 1: in a writer's room you have to like you go
Speaker 1: into it easy and you say the things you did like,
Speaker 1: and then you get to the things you didn't like.
Speaker 1: A giant waste of it is Holly, I'm not good
Speaker 1: at it, not good at it. Torry was the one
Speaker 1: that always has to do it because I'm like just
Speaker 1: telling the truth, right, But I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: I could have done it if I was Allison. That
Speaker 1: was my roommate giving me a script. Probably happen a
Speaker 1: little softer. I wouldn't have said hate. I just would
Speaker 1: have been like, um, I didn't connect or I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like I feel good, just used feeling there. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel And it's just like your person. Do you
Speaker 1: guys ever do a photo shoot where they then tell
Speaker 1: you like, we're just gonna get a couple of safeties,
Speaker 1: which really means like we didn't nail it yet, so
Speaker 1: we're getting a couple of safeties. But we used to
Speaker 1: have to say that all the time, like let us
Speaker 1: just get a couple of safety takes, which means no,
Speaker 1: definitely three were pretty shy. But when you just say
Speaker 1: we just need to get guess you guys about when
Speaker 1: Billy and Alison getting the fight and he goes you
Speaker 1: have no taste, just like your lousy castlerole favorite line?
Speaker 1: You don it cast role? Do people still eat to
Speaker 1: a cast role? I think so, like Grandma's I'm all
Speaker 1: for bringing it back and modernizing like old fashioned recipes,
Speaker 1: but tuna cast role, I don't think it's ever coming back.
Speaker 1: And in the nineties it was not back. Like a
Speaker 1: writer must have thought that was funny, but it's his favorite.
Speaker 1: It's not even something she makes. She wears her grandma's
Speaker 1: clothes and she makes her grandma's cast roles. There you go,
Speaker 1: she needs an update already. Yeah, I mean, sidebar off topic,
Speaker 1: but how classic was it when so after that first
Speaker 1: scene and Alison, I think, walks out and the man
Speaker 1: sins are by the plate. That's not how you clean
Speaker 1: a pool. I've cleaned pools before, never been like that.
Speaker 1: I got no idea. But there's a pool cleaner that's there.
Speaker 1: Remember Jen, you were like every scene yeah, well they're
Speaker 1: apparently he didn't show up because he's like caressing the
Speaker 1: metal stick that thing. It was so weird in the
Speaker 1: in front of everyone, like for all see and she's
Speaker 1: in a bikini and he has this giant pager. His
Speaker 1: giant by the way, that's what they look like. So
Speaker 1: I do love this about melrose Place. The references to
Speaker 1: l A things like Pink's Hot Dogs, Laurel Canyon. They're
Speaker 1: always like referencing actual And then they're going to watch
Speaker 1: the video of Ghost, which is in l A but
Speaker 1: still is a good reference. She has the same hair
Speaker 1: do she does. She has the Demi Moore the video
Speaker 1: of Ghost stop in stop it. Wait you guys, you
Speaker 1: guys guys need to pull it together. Amy, your bluff,
Speaker 1: my camera, you're perfecting me. We are no longer friends.
Speaker 1: What's happening right now? I've lost them? People, Jennifer Eve,
Speaker 1: don't say anything to embarrass me. I'm I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do anything. But I actually I don't even have
Speaker 1: a question. But it's just so like I'm living my
Speaker 1: childhood fantasies. I think I've met him before too, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel at nauseous. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: your cheeks, she's blushing. Please bring Andrew in. I can't
Speaker 1: take it anymore. Hey, guys, Hi, Andrew, how are you?
Speaker 1: We got so excited? Amy is Amy is usually not
Speaker 1: this shade of red. Just so you know, she's excited,
Speaker 1: totally gonna be normal. And then I just got weird
Speaker 1: right before, and like I got clammy. Way to make
Speaker 1: a guest feel comfortable. We've been watching your show and
Speaker 1: we're big tree. We have Wait you you didn't hear
Speaker 1: anything before this? Right? Oh? He heard it? I can
Speaker 1: talk you. He's lying right now. He heard it. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just saw miss Sugarman smiling there. Wait,
Speaker 1: so you guys have all met right? I want to
Speaker 1: hear like, just you all talk about when you met
Speaker 1: back in the day and what that was like. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, let's introduce you Andrew. This is Amy Sugarman,
Speaker 1: our producer. I think they know each other, he said, Sugarman,
Speaker 1: it's on the screen too, but we have met back
Speaker 1: in the day. Oh my god, you said it like
Speaker 1: you guys are like old friends. I'm Ryan Seacrest producer. Also,
Speaker 1: and Ryan Seacrest was on an episode of mel Melrose Place.
Speaker 1: I can't even talk. He was finally, were you in
Speaker 1: the finale? Still not the finale finale? Now? So Ryan
Speaker 1: was a guest at the wedding or a funeral. It
Speaker 1: was something one of those. I just saw Ryan this
Speaker 1: past weekend there Georgia game. Yeah, did Georgia lose? Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was sitting right behind us and uh we were
Speaker 1: high fiving. They were up ten zero and then then
Speaker 1: they got crushed. I can't wait to talk to hibout
Speaker 1: because he would be excited to see you too, because
Speaker 1: we all I've been his producer for twenty five years.
Speaker 1: So we loved nine two one on Melrose Place, like
Speaker 1: we this was our time? How was your time? That
Speaker 1: was our time? Okay, you guys. You we know you
Speaker 1: from obviously from like you know, Fox things. We were
Speaker 1: all in the same kind of in the same boat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we went to a bunch of events and we went
Speaker 1: to Uh. I think I ran into you over in
Speaker 1: Europe too, you were doing the whole tour over there.
Speaker 1: I remember we went out to dinner. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Was it Israel Isel? She never told me about that. Look,
Speaker 1: they're mad at me now. I didn't tell them. Um
Speaker 1: and and uh and we we were on nine or
Speaker 1: two or no, and you were on Mills Place. So
Speaker 1: it's like kind of like you know, we're brothers and sisters, cousin.
Speaker 1: It's like part of the Spelling family to story into it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it is true. I have to say, and
Speaker 1: I've never said this publicly, not I guess this is
Speaker 1: public um, But your dad, Tory, he had had a huge,
Speaker 1: huge impact on my life obviously because it really he
Speaker 1: was really the one who kind of plucked me out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and stuck me into that show. How did
Speaker 1: that happen? Like, how did he plucked you out of nowhere?
Speaker 1: Where were you and how did it happened? Very well,
Speaker 1: so I had just started auditioning for things, and I
Speaker 1: got in a small part in the Wonder Years. I
Speaker 1: had three lines, and I had moved out to l A.
Speaker 1: I had spent a year in New York where I
Speaker 1: auditioned about a hundred and twenty two times. I had
Speaker 1: a little black book and I got zero callbacks. After
Speaker 1: then I came out to l A. And I was
Speaker 1: only there for about three months, and I got a
Speaker 1: pilot which was a spelling pilot, and it was really
Speaker 1: because Aaron had had produced Soap Dish, which is the
Speaker 1: movie my sister was in where he was kind of
Speaker 1: familiar with Oliz the Shoe. Oh she's great, and then oh,
Speaker 1: this is her brother, and so he I think he
Speaker 1: got intrigued. And so there was a pilot called Gulf
Speaker 1: City which had these two is kind of a star
Speaker 1: skin Hutch type deal, and we did a five day
Speaker 1: shoot down in Florida, and which was a miracle when
Speaker 1: I got that part of just like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on a TV show. And of course
Speaker 1: we know how many pilots don't get picked up. And
Speaker 1: it turned out that they had hired somebody else for
Speaker 1: Billy on Melrose Place and they didn't love him after
Speaker 1: the first day back. So he was let go after
Speaker 1: the first day because he was he was the way
Speaker 1: he was playing the relationship with Alison was not the
Speaker 1: right way, and there was a bunch of other things.
Speaker 1: I think they just decided. And so Aaron calls me
Speaker 1: at my dollar a month apartment, uh right off of
Speaker 1: Hollywood Boulevard where somebody was murdered outside um and says, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: I need you to come over to my house tomorrow
Speaker 1: for kind of an emergency audition. You're not really auditioning,
Speaker 1: You're just gonna be reading with people. I just need
Speaker 1: to do this favor. So he basically downplayed the whole
Speaker 1: thing like this is not a big deal. And there
Speaker 1: were thirty people there. I drove in with my little
Speaker 1: eighty two Mazda and and parked in the park that
Speaker 1: I was valet. And then after three hours of going
Speaker 1: into that office, you know, wall to wall bound leather
Speaker 1: copies of every show he had ever produced, and Peter
Speaker 1: Chernin's in there, and every person from boxes there and
Speaker 1: we're all reading with Courtney, and thirty people read with Courtney,
Speaker 1: and people thirty people read, and about ten people read
Speaker 1: a second time, and two of us were about to
Speaker 1: read a third time when I heard Aaron talking to
Speaker 1: Peter Chernon and then seeing that last guy walk out
Speaker 1: the door. And then Aaron comes over to me and
Speaker 1: he says, you got the part, babe, and what I
Speaker 1: was like, what, what do you mean? I wanted to
Speaker 1: do a Gulf City. That's such a cool show, he said,
Speaker 1: Gulf City got canceled two days ago. Look at that.
Speaker 1: And then then you didn't tell me. I came over
Speaker 1: there and basically just flirted my butt off with Courtney
Speaker 1: and uh, and then I was shooting on Monday. That's what.
Speaker 1: Did you know who Corney was? Because she had I
Speaker 1: didn't really know much about anything, and now I didn't.
Speaker 1: I did not know. No, I was just I was
Speaker 1: kind of the whole thing. But he totally obviously took
Speaker 1: a risk, you know, put me in there, and uh,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was awesome. So there's very few
Speaker 1: things I don't remember. I remember a lot. I did
Speaker 1: not remember that story until you started telling it, and
Speaker 1: then it all came back. It all came back being
Speaker 1: being at the house watching Gulf City, remembering that he
Speaker 1: was like, this is the guy. And then after that.
Speaker 1: So my dad, I think there's only two times that
Speaker 1: he's actually said to a network no, no, no no, this
Speaker 1: is who I want and this is who we're casting.
Speaker 1: And it was Luke Berry and Andrew's shoe. So now
Speaker 1: I remember the whole thing. Yes, yeah, it's true, and
Speaker 1: the network was like okay. And then the other great
Speaker 1: moment I have with your dad was after we were
Speaker 1: getting towards the fifth year and we were going to
Speaker 1: have to renegotiate a contract, he called me and just said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta figure out you know, you're six.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just come into the office. And so
Speaker 1: I just negotiated the contract with him directly what he
Speaker 1: and he literally took out a laminated card that had
Speaker 1: everybody's salary on it and talked me through it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, here's Heather and and
Speaker 1: what do you think is fair? And I basically, you know,
Speaker 1: gave him my number and which wasn't as high as
Speaker 1: Heather's and he's like and he's like, okay, done. Jenny
Speaker 1: liked him better. Yeah, I never got I never got negotiating,
Speaker 1: no meetings. That's amazing. Was your intention always to become
Speaker 1: an actor? Because I remember at the time, everyone always
Speaker 1: used to talk about like Andrew Shoe went to Dartmouth,
Speaker 1: he's so smart, blah blah blah, like when you were
Speaker 1: in a soccer place, all those things. So did you
Speaker 1: intend to become an actor or was your sister inspiring you?
Speaker 1: Like how did that happen? Yeah, that was another kind
Speaker 1: of crazy story. I did not intend to be an actor.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about being a lawyer, and unfortunately I
Speaker 1: had my older brother died in an accident, which was
Speaker 1: going into my senior year in college, and so after
Speaker 1: that I was just kind of a kind of search
Speaker 1: for the meaning of life. And I went over and
Speaker 1: spend a year in Africa teaching and playing soccer over there.
Speaker 1: And during that year, kind of another random thing happened
Speaker 1: where um, I had gone to the soap dish premiere
Speaker 1: with my sister and a picture of the two of
Speaker 1: us came out in the Hollywood Reporter, and the head
Speaker 1: of casting Universal Pictures called my sister's agent after seeing
Speaker 1: the picture. I don't see why she would do this
Speaker 1: just after seeing a picture, but she said, is is Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: She's brother and actor, And so the agent then thought
Speaker 1: that was so kind of crazy that the agent called
Speaker 1: my sister and said, you're not gonna believe this, but
Speaker 1: this person wanted to know if your brothers and actor,
Speaker 1: what should I tell her? And then my sister says, yeah,
Speaker 1: tell him, tell her that he is. I was living
Speaker 1: in Africa at the time, had no interest in being
Speaker 1: an actor. So then she called me. And back then,
Speaker 1: you know, now you can like call on your cell phone,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, or even FaceTime. Back then, like it was
Speaker 1: like the phone would ring like and it was as
Speaker 1: if the moon was calling while I was over there.
Speaker 1: Because it cost ten dollars a minute, and and it
Speaker 1: was very exciting. I would only talk for five minutes
Speaker 1: when you know, once a month. So my sister calls
Speaker 1: and she's like, you're never gonna believe what happened and
Speaker 1: if and I never I always told the story that
Speaker 1: it was her excitement and enthusiasm that made me think
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And then when she said,
Speaker 1: and I told him you are an actor, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why, but I just figured I might as well
Speaker 1: create an option for you. So then I had a
Speaker 1: fully I had a whole weird to think about this
Speaker 1: for a year I'm thinking, all right, you're in Africa
Speaker 1: thinking wait, I could be an actor an actor, or
Speaker 1: I could you know, be an FBI agent because I
Speaker 1: just read Silence of the lamp Um and uh so
Speaker 1: when I came back and I was thinking, you know what,
Speaker 1: this might I should try it. So then I had
Speaker 1: I went at a meeting with her acting coach and
Speaker 1: that was another faithful moment where she said, you're it
Speaker 1: seems like you're just as talent as she is. Why not?
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was like a crazy twist. So I
Speaker 1: did feel like the role he is weird. And of course,
Speaker 1: then after getting off the show and thinking through whether
Speaker 1: I wanted to be you do this rest of my life,
Speaker 1: I kind of decided to go into business and and
Speaker 1: uh and and yeah, I felt like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys have seen it's it's a very topsy turvy career
Speaker 1: and and you don't really have a lot of control
Speaker 1: over it. And I wanted to raise my kids back
Speaker 1: East And so is that where you are now? Back East? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I live live in Manhattan. Is there anything you can't do?
Speaker 1: I feel like everything you touch turns to gold and
Speaker 1: that says you're a billionaire. But we're just going to
Speaker 1: throw that out to you. But yeah, that's that's actually
Speaker 1: not totally true, and it's definitely definitely not true the
Speaker 1: way he said totally definitely. We don't usually look at
Speaker 1: le's net worth before they come on the show, just say,
Speaker 1: you know, but this just happens doing I was doing
Speaker 1: my research and it just comes up, like what am
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? I couldn't like not like guys,
Speaker 1: he's looking away. It's never true, but they're never they're
Speaker 1: never true, and mind them whatever that it's way off
Speaker 1: and not true. Okay, Jen and I played detectives on
Speaker 1: TV for one season, and we know that when you
Speaker 1: look away and you don't look right into camera into
Speaker 1: our eyes, you're not completely telling the truth. Mr Shoe
Speaker 1: was going like that, did you learn that from our
Speaker 1: stint on Mystery Girls? Well, Cagney and Lacy way back
Speaker 1: when I thought i'd give our show credits. So you
Speaker 1: were on Melrose Place for I thinks six seasons? Is that? Ita?
Speaker 1: And you left early? I left a year early, probably,
Speaker 1: you know what. I actually was contemplating thinking like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things if you're stay on
Speaker 1: the show too long. But it's hard to make a
Speaker 1: leap to anything else. Didn't hurt our careers. I'm just going.
Speaker 1: And so I tried to have have it both ways.
Speaker 1: I said, well, what if I do half the episodes?
Speaker 1: And they were like, no, you can't either kind of
Speaker 1: got to do it all and I thought, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll let it go. Um. So it was only one
Speaker 1: year and uh, and then actually the six years unbelievable
Speaker 1: because I don't know you guys were doing this sudden
Speaker 1: I think you were. We were shooting double episodes. We
Speaker 1: had we had two crews and we were doing thirty
Speaker 1: five episodes for the year, and uh, and you know
Speaker 1: it was. It was amazing. So there will be times
Speaker 1: where we would be shooting a scene and then right
Speaker 1: afterwards shooting another scene that could have been like two
Speaker 1: episodes ago. But it got confused. Did you all keep
Speaker 1: that straight? You couldn't keep trying. We just had to
Speaker 1: go Yeah, you had to have somebody explain on kids,
Speaker 1: Who am I what? Yeah? What have I been through?
Speaker 1: The killer already? Did she already hit her hand in
Speaker 1: the pool? Did she rip off her wig? And there
Speaker 1: was a giant scar? So Jenny has not seen there's
Speaker 1: a Scar. Oh my gosh, it's Jenny has seen three
Speaker 1: episodes now, that's it before. She never watched it before.
Speaker 1: The good news is she's watching it for the first
Speaker 1: time and she loves it, like obsessed with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Amy and I were huge fans, like not just because
Speaker 1: it was my dad show, like I watched Miller's Place.
Speaker 1: I didn't even watch my own show sometimes, but always
Speaker 1: watch Mallrow's Place. Did you watch nine O two one, oh, Andrew, Like,
Speaker 1: did you know that this was a spinoff of that?
Speaker 1: And who these guys were? What did you say about
Speaker 1: looking away from the he's a fan of our show? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would not have been your typical kind of nighttime
Speaker 1: soap fan. I would never watch Moor's Place. You were
Speaker 1: in the sorority with me and thirty friends watching they
Speaker 1: started back to back. I know, I know I was.
Speaker 1: I was a sports guy and a documentary guy and
Speaker 1: I didn't really even watch TV like at night at
Speaker 1: that time. Do you still play soccer? I do still
Speaker 1: play soccer, and my kids play soccer and it's awesome.
Speaker 1: But what's your position? I was a midfielder. I am
Speaker 1: a midfielder. Yeah, actually had a goal in a game
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Nice, you still got it? People. Wait,
Speaker 1: do you do you coach the kids? My kids are
Speaker 1: really old now? I have well Amy, you know, I remarried.
Speaker 1: Amy has two girls, and I have three boys. But
Speaker 1: all three mine are now, two are out of college,
Speaker 1: ones in college. Wow, I guess because you have a
Speaker 1: blended family. Yeah, year old. But I can't imagine showing
Speaker 1: up and like my soccer coach where my kids Andrew shoo, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: like crazy, But I guess they wouldn't know. Were the
Speaker 1: mom's like yeah at that time. Again, we're a lot
Speaker 1: younger back then, so the closer to the time when
Speaker 1: the show had just come off the air, because when
Speaker 1: I was I only coached my kids up until they
Speaker 1: were probably nine, and then I let you know some
Speaker 1: of their little um So that was down in Princeton,
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and uh yeah it was. It was fun.
Speaker 1: Everybody was sweet. Yeah, those those shows are Everybody just
Speaker 1: had a kind of warm feeling about them. I always
Speaker 1: had such mad respect for you because you I felt
Speaker 1: like you were doing more, like you started up your
Speaker 1: own organization, right, what was it? Do something right? I
Speaker 1: remember that vividly, and I remember thinking, Wow, this guy
Speaker 1: is doing something better than the rest, like it just
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I just feel like you
Speaker 1: were making a difference, Like what was your inspiration and
Speaker 1: like how did that start for you? Well, you're sweet
Speaker 1: and I remember you guys coming to a few events
Speaker 1: to support do something which was great. And it does
Speaker 1: go back to my brother and and kind of searching
Speaker 1: for more meaning. I think I felt like a lot
Speaker 1: of that had in a way giving me a different
Speaker 1: kind of confidence to try things because I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't bound by the same rules of like, oh,
Speaker 1: that will never happen and why would you do that?
Speaker 1: I just say, like I don't, I don't know, why not,
Speaker 1: you know, just just try it. And so then I
Speaker 1: think once I I found myself on a Tonight show
Speaker 1: or doing things like this, I thought, this is just
Speaker 1: so weird promoting yourself and uh so then it kind
Speaker 1: of just went back to my childhood where my dad
Speaker 1: had inspired me to to do projects. My two both
Speaker 1: of my brothers, were Eagle Scouts, and so they had
Speaker 1: done big service projects and I felt guilty when I
Speaker 1: quit Boy Scouts, and so I had done a project
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, uh called Students Serving
Speaker 1: Seniors because my dad said, you know, just because you
Speaker 1: didn't do boy Scouts doesn't mean you don't have you
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, you you would get a lot out
Speaker 1: of doing a service project. So I created this group
Speaker 1: with with a bunch of my friends called Students Serving Seniors.
Speaker 1: And that experience to me was transformative because it it
Speaker 1: just showed me how valuable it is to connect with
Speaker 1: others to do something that's beyond yourself. Uh. And so
Speaker 1: then when I got on the show, I thought, Wow,
Speaker 1: what an opportunity to do something like that. So you
Speaker 1: do something still running full steam right now, years later,
Speaker 1: and feel very fortunate for you. Yeah. But so again
Speaker 1: it was about having other mentors and other teachers nudging
Speaker 1: me and pushing me and saying, hey, you know what
Speaker 1: life life is. I mean people talked about this life
Speaker 1: life is meaningful when shared life is rich, When when
Speaker 1: you're sharing with others and giving back to others, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of an empty world when you're just looking
Speaker 1: to take for yourself. That's very true. And you also
Speaker 1: started up like you cod is this with your wife
Speaker 1: that you started another organization? Um, so right now that
Speaker 1: we we just wrote up a children's book, children's We've
Speaker 1: had a children's book that actually we didn't we weren't
Speaker 1: thinking about it when we first talked about it. It's
Speaker 1: called Better Together. It's about a blended fanly of squirrels
Speaker 1: and nick monks who find themselves after a storm kind
Speaker 1: of stuck together in this in this hollow of a log,
Speaker 1: and they and then they realize that they do everything differently,
Speaker 1: so they have so much fun. And then they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you do things differently, so let's go back. And
Speaker 1: then as soon as they go apart, they miss each
Speaker 1: other so much that they all come back together and
Speaker 1: they end up creating a family called the mc Squirrelies.
Speaker 1: And so we wrote this book and when when it
Speaker 1: was coming together, just realized what was going on in
Speaker 1: the country and just thought, wow, it's it's really is
Speaker 1: a time where we all just have to take a
Speaker 1: deep breath and and think about how uh, how much
Speaker 1: we would gain by trying to understand each other and
Speaker 1: trying to share more together. And I really do think
Speaker 1: that we're at a place now, We're in such an
Speaker 1: insecure place as a country that the people you know
Speaker 1: in sadly and it's really in a weakness. We all
Speaker 1: kind of go to our owners and go to our
Speaker 1: tribes and and and get combative. So I think it's
Speaker 1: it's time if we're going to see our strength. Our
Speaker 1: strength is to go towards each other. Strength is to
Speaker 1: listen with curiosity and trying to understand each other. The
Speaker 1: book sounds so timely, first of all, but also you
Speaker 1: wait until your kids were grown up to write a
Speaker 1: children's book. I find that really interesting. Yeah, well we could.
Speaker 1: We joked that we wanted to make sure that the
Speaker 1: story ended. Well, it wasn't all unicorns and rainbows for
Speaker 1: you guys at first, right, Like, it was actually really
Speaker 1: difficult when families are no joke, it's hard. It just
Speaker 1: is because there's there's all these layers of of fear
Speaker 1: and mistrust really because you're like, do you really love me?
Speaker 1: And you really you know? Would you know when your
Speaker 1: blood for some reason, even though you might not really
Speaker 1: get along, you'll still go to the end of the
Speaker 1: yourthe But when you know, when you choose a family
Speaker 1: like this, uh, it's just so much harder. And we
Speaker 1: had very different parenting styles which also made it very difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how did you know you had different parents. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I just my my parents got the worst. Early. We
Speaker 1: were really on our own most of the time. We
Speaker 1: were kind of in the we figured out for themselves
Speaker 1: type type upbringing. And Amy has had a very strict
Speaker 1: Catholic upbringing. Uh, and she felt like my boys needed
Speaker 1: some serious discipline and structure. And I kind of agreed
Speaker 1: with her. I didn't. I didn't kind of agree with her.
Speaker 1: I definitely agree with her, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: I couldn't go all the way that she wanted to go.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is gonna be too hard, and then
Speaker 1: they're gonna think it's you know, they're gonna resent you.
Speaker 1: And so we were just constantly in this push pull.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but you're giving them, you know. We
Speaker 1: all of our arguments became about the kids, just about
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a married to a man who
Speaker 1: doesn't have children, but he's up dad to my three girls,
Speaker 1: and all of a lot of our arguments are about
Speaker 1: different my my parenting techniques and his thoughts on them
Speaker 1: or how oh he thinks I should do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know what I would just say, and I'll
Speaker 1: say this everybody out there, you have to just constantly
Speaker 1: being in communication with each other each other. This is
Speaker 1: the hardest thing that we're doing. We love each other
Speaker 1: and we trust each other's intentions. Now let's talk through
Speaker 1: the logistics of what we're actually trying to accomplish, and
Speaker 1: not not assume right away that you're trying to do
Speaker 1: this because you want power. You're trying to do this
Speaker 1: because you want me to feel diminished, Like that isn't
Speaker 1: what it's about. And unfortunately, you know, you get very
Speaker 1: territorial about it, and you're like, and it's just so hard.
Speaker 1: Most most I think it's all second marriages with kids
Speaker 1: don't don't succeed. But it's also there's also that part
Speaker 1: that's like I find relief in having somebody see it
Speaker 1: from a different perspective and give me their two cents about,
Speaker 1: like what it looks like from from over there, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm so in it so so often with my
Speaker 1: kids that I don't see really making me think of
Speaker 1: Billy and Allison, because are you going to say that, No,
Speaker 1: I don't want my steps and listen to this. I
Speaker 1: don't want him to be like, why didn't you mention me?
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry he listened to our podcast every week
Speaker 1: episode You Billy that writes this, Jackie, I love you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh sorry, No, don't worry. Write the scrappy
Speaker 1: novel and Allison tells him the truth that it sucks.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's bringing all around. If you were
Speaker 1: in that position and Amy wrote something, would you tell
Speaker 1: her it sucks? Or would you go? I probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: tell her that it sucked. Alison said, I hate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you watch this episode? Didn't? You didn't watch episode three?
Speaker 1: Just to come talk to us, right, you have no
Speaker 1: idea what we're talking about. I have a vague me.
Speaker 1: I can mention one of your best lines. You have
Speaker 1: no taste, just like your lousy castrole. Oh, I kind
Speaker 1: of vaguely. Do you remember that another you were in
Speaker 1: a fan of Our Castle on a great line. I
Speaker 1: remember the number of times I've trying to change the
Speaker 1: lines and they like, Andrew, we're gonna have to call
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, let's call what do they call? Really?
Speaker 1: Literally called Darren or Yeah? I was wondering it was
Speaker 1: Billy Campbell. It felt like there were like little slivers
Speaker 1: of Darren Starr in the character of Billy Campbell. Well,
Speaker 1: definitely in the pilot he wrote. He wrote the pilot
Speaker 1: for sure, but then he wasn't as involved going forward
Speaker 1: after that. Like even in this episode, like the third episode,
Speaker 1: which Darren did co write, um, just you, Billy talks
Speaker 1: about his like upbringing and wanting to be a writer
Speaker 1: and his dad not supporting him. And yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that that not supporting and all that stuff, but that yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've never had a conversation with him about the
Speaker 1: kind of the origin of Billy, but it did assume
Speaker 1: that it was linked to Darren, like that that character.
Speaker 1: If there was a character that was linked to Darren personally,
Speaker 1: that it would have been Billy May. Is it okay
Speaker 1: to ask about your off screen relationship with Courtney Thorne Smith? Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean it was public, like I miss, always fascinating,
Speaker 1: like the relationship now or back then? Back then? Back
Speaker 1: then we live in the past. Yes, we do. Sorry, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we had a we had a great relationship.
Speaker 1: We I would say that I had never been on
Speaker 1: a TV show before, and I had never been in
Speaker 1: a you know, working in a kind of a It's
Speaker 1: intimate in the sense that you're every day you're hanging
Speaker 1: out and and and of course the two characters were
Speaker 1: having a flirtation during that whole first the first a
Speaker 1: couple of seasons really, but so yeah, sparks. Sparks flew
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and and then we started dating and it
Speaker 1: was it was great. It was one of the great
Speaker 1: relationships of my life. You can tell immediately from the
Speaker 1: first episode that you guys have great chemistry. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: she's an awesome person. Uh, funny and smart and h
Speaker 1: and professional. That was one thing. All all the people
Speaker 1: on the show were so professional and so great. Could
Speaker 1: you ever product you Matt would marry Sidney? Sorry Tory
Speaker 1: that Matt married Sydney for like they've been like a
Speaker 1: hundred years. Laurel lat Man, that's like she did. She
Speaker 1: did a grand show first, I know, I know. And
Speaker 1: everybody's friends, like we all we all got together recently
Speaker 1: for a reunion and everybody was just so genuinely happy
Speaker 1: to see each other. And everybody's been so supportive just
Speaker 1: to each other's causes. I recently, uh, working on a
Speaker 1: on a on a big project trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to heal the wounds in our in our country,
Speaker 1: and and and I got Heather involved. She called me
Speaker 1: back right away and it was awesome. She's great and
Speaker 1: doing great. Um, and so yeah, I feel just a
Speaker 1: great warmth about all the relationships with with everybody, and
Speaker 1: very and and so fortunate to have, like I said,
Speaker 1: just landed into this show and never done anything before
Speaker 1: and have such great people. I love it. Well. We
Speaker 1: um were interviewed by your wife a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: She's so, she's awesome. She is awesome. Uh, she's a force.
Speaker 1: I just talked to her twenty minutes ago and she's
Speaker 1: she's set down in Texas. I guess Michael Strahan's going
Speaker 1: to going up with just Jeff Bezos is. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1: Uh so there, I guess he's lasting off. Amy's downs
Speaker 1: covering it, She's covering it. And and yeah, we Amy's
Speaker 1: gotten me running marathons, hiking mountains. Uh. Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: We live a very full life. We we uh, we
Speaker 1: burn it on all ends, and you know, we just
Speaker 1: we don't assume we have more time. We have what
Speaker 1: we have right now, and and so we try and
Speaker 1: try and just do the things that do the things
Speaker 1: and be with the people that brings us the most joy.
Speaker 1: We feel very lucky obviously to have uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just just have freedom to do these kinds of things.
Speaker 1: I think right now, obviously with the pandemic and everything
Speaker 1: people are people are still in the world is who
Speaker 1: knows how things are going to go here in the
Speaker 1: next few months. But we move back into kind of
Speaker 1: a a defensive posture. Hopefully not hopefully we're getting to
Speaker 1: a place where we can just live with this thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Amy, Amy is awesome. I I I met
Speaker 1: her at a book party and uh what it's been
Speaker 1: a whirlwind, whirlwind for thirteen years. What book I want
Speaker 1: to know? It was a book party. Uh that was
Speaker 1: about he was about moms, and I had started a
Speaker 1: company called Cafe Mom, and uh so they wanted me
Speaker 1: to come to help promote their When you wrote your
Speaker 1: children's book with Amy, could you type or did you
Speaker 1: like Billy? That's how funny say that. The reason really
Speaker 1: type like that is because Andrew type like that. Really
Speaker 1: and Andrews still types like that. So so Sugar Sugarman
Speaker 1: as you call her. Yeah, she she claims you went.
Speaker 1: She says you went to Dartmouths. You couldn't possibly type
Speaker 1: like that, So she thought that They asked you to
Speaker 1: do it that way. I like that. How in the
Speaker 1: world did you not know how to type? And let's see,
Speaker 1: I did take a typing class in high school. Said, oh,
Speaker 1: thank goodness. He really didn't hear anything before the Center
Speaker 1: for Perfect dormouth with this. The funny thing is my
Speaker 1: business partner, my business partner who I went to Columbia
Speaker 1: High School with. Uh. He he said, the one. And
Speaker 1: he's brilliant. And he literally is brilliant. He was a
Speaker 1: chess prodigy. Uh. And he said, the one thing he
Speaker 1: learned in high school was how to type, and we
Speaker 1: all did. So he's done all the typing forms all
Speaker 1: these years. He didn't have to wait before before you go,
Speaker 1: I'm Tory and Jenny, I'm sure we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 1: But when you showed up at Melrose Place and you
Speaker 1: went to the wardrobe department and they told you they
Speaker 1: were out of shirt because no one wears a shirt.
Speaker 1: You don't wear a shirt Grand Show doesn't wear a
Speaker 1: shirt like there are so few shirts. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was there, and but maybe it was just
Speaker 1: it was written there in the script must have been Darren,
Speaker 1: then nothing. It must have been a darn thing. We
Speaker 1: weren't less be wearing shirts. I also didn't wear a belt, uh, surprisingly,
Speaker 1: and that became part of Billy's wardrobe that might have
Speaker 1: been me too, or I didn't really want to put
Speaker 1: on the belt because we were constantly changing our clothes
Speaker 1: all the time. And I'm like, you know what, Billy
Speaker 1: doesn't wear a belt. It just took too long. You
Speaker 1: didn't have the time to buckle the belt. I'd have
Speaker 1: to change the well to Max chose and just thought
Speaker 1: you did wear the legit Converse sneaks and the green bomber.
Speaker 1: So did you have any say in your wardrobe the
Speaker 1: first few I did start to change it after a
Speaker 1: little bit. I was like, I don't love this. But
Speaker 1: in the beginning, I just they had me in some
Speaker 1: stuff I would never have normally worn. But I felt
Speaker 1: like I had to do whatever they said. I was
Speaker 1: so happy to be there. So there was definitely what
Speaker 1: I would call some Yeah, did you not wear converse
Speaker 1: in real life because it's not a typical athlete attire? Okay, fair? Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I definitely move in the soccer stuff and I started
Speaker 1: getting all that kind of in there to make Bill
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a dude, I think your
Speaker 1: book is the perfect holiday gift. I saw you guys
Speaker 1: on Good Morning America, So that's how shocking. What were you?
Speaker 1: How did you get on? That's how I knew about
Speaker 1: the book? I know, I know. We stuck on there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: better together. It's it's out there and the people people
Speaker 1: can get it on Amazon. It's that easy. Get it
Speaker 1: on Amazon together. You're gonna get it, sugarman, obviously, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, but we all need to get it. Well.
Speaker 1: Since you've been doing the show, ye third season coming up,
Speaker 1: it's like one year, but it feels like it's so funny.
Speaker 1: You say that though, because we've done it for two seasons.
Speaker 1: But it's been like si episodes because there's so many
Speaker 1: episodes of nine O two and oh, it's not like
Speaker 1: these days. Ten episodes is a season for for Torri
Speaker 1: and Jenny, it's like you actually episodes. You watch it
Speaker 1: and talk about it as it's happening. Yeah, we watched
Speaker 1: yours for a minute. We finished season two of nine
Speaker 1: or two one oh, and we wanted to spin over
Speaker 1: to watch Kelly and Donna and David and Steve go
Speaker 1: to Miller's place. So we did the first three episodes
Speaker 1: of Miller's Place, and now we've all fallen in love
Speaker 1: with Miller's Place and we're really torn. Do we go
Speaker 1: back to Beverly Hills two on? Oh? Where don't we
Speaker 1: stick with Miller's Place? Out of podcast? We don't know
Speaker 1: what to do. We really are loving Melrose Place, like
Speaker 1: I was always a fan, but like I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: I want to go back to nine O two and oh,
Speaker 1: but it's just different because we feel like it's good
Speaker 1: to have the outside perspective like Meller's Place. We could
Speaker 1: do that nine two O. We're so involved in it
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to like really critique it. Well we do,
Speaker 1: you know? Um, Okay, before we go, Um, I have
Speaker 1: to admit something to you. I don't know where this
Speaker 1: is going, Andrew, I don't know when I'll ever see
Speaker 1: you again. Uh, And we're going back to the good
Speaker 1: old days. So I told the ladies here that when
Speaker 1: we started Melrose, we when my dad started Melro's Place,
Speaker 1: but our family started our family. Yes, Um, he was
Speaker 1: always he really wanted me to marry an actor, and like,
Speaker 1: which not a good idea. Like I don't know why
Speaker 1: he was always trying to set me up with actors,
Speaker 1: but he was like he was a big fan of yours,
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh babe, He's like, you gotta
Speaker 1: meet the san Andrew Shoe. So I did a better
Speaker 1: impression earlier than in front of you. So I remember
Speaker 1: at the premier party and Jen was there too. He
Speaker 1: wanted me to meet you, and I think he introduced
Speaker 1: us and I was just like so nervous. I was
Speaker 1: like hi, and you were like hey, you were really cool,
Speaker 1: and then walked away and that was it. That was
Speaker 1: the extent of our Remember that I have a vague
Speaker 1: memory of kind of a meeting like this. Okay, at
Speaker 1: this point, just turned around and look up because you're
Speaker 1: not even looking closely to us. I just remember. I
Speaker 1: mean you were correctly if I'm wrong, but weren't you
Speaker 1: fairly young at that point? Were you you didn't want
Speaker 1: to get involved? You were like a yeah, yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: so you were like as an adult, now, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that was the wrong move. He always wanted me to
Speaker 1: meet his actors. Why would any of his actors ever
Speaker 1: date me? Can you imagine you land a huge job
Speaker 1: and then you're going to date the boss's daughter. Bad news?
Speaker 1: I do. I do recall meeting you and thinking you
Speaker 1: were very sweet, and also thinking, yeah, that would not
Speaker 1: be a good idea. Yeah, see, it just confirms all
Speaker 1: that that's how you felt like it always went and
Speaker 1: there you go. Yes, but you were incredibly sweet. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Yeah you got This is great, This is cool and
Speaker 1: and fun that you're doing this. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: You have so much fun. And we've had so much
Speaker 1: fun watching your show and watching how it all began.
Speaker 1: And you were a superstar from the moment you stepped
Speaker 1: on the screen. Well I was lucky, lucky, lucky to
Speaker 1: be on that screen. I don't know how it happened,
Speaker 1: but you were both meant to be exactly And I
Speaker 1: know that we will see each other again. Yeah, I hope, so,
Speaker 1: I hope. So, Yes, call us when you need us.
Speaker 1: We'll be there. We will. Good luck with the book.
Speaker 1: See later, byee you. We didn't do kiss, marry or
Speaker 1: kick guys. He lives up to every single he's killing,
Speaker 1: and he would have. He's a very good guy. He
Speaker 1: can't be that perfect. I was smiling the entire time.
Speaker 1: My jaw hurts from smiling. And finally, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be too outwardly like what a great human. He
Speaker 1: just seems like a really good guy, right, like a
Speaker 1: nice husband, nice, you know, ow nice. He's a good dad.
Speaker 1: He's always been like that. That guy is awesome. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's what we all aspire to be. But
Speaker 1: see that goes like he's living proof that if you
Speaker 1: want to do something, you just jump in and do it.
Speaker 1: So much time saying why it couldn't work, why no
Speaker 1: one would want it, why you know, and it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: the time we take to tell us ourselves the excuses
Speaker 1: we could just be like trying so grateful and appreciative, Tory,
Speaker 1: what is that like? These the admiration people have for
Speaker 1: your dad. It's like, I know I've asked you about
Speaker 1: that before, but it's like, what is that like for you?
Speaker 1: Because these people he changed their wives, he gave them
Speaker 1: their lives. Basically, it makes me feel really good. Um,
Speaker 1: the ones that are grateful and are like, you know,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't that doesn't always isn't always the way,
Speaker 1: And it's so nice like to hear genuinely his fond
Speaker 1: memories because he and I have never talked about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard from like Luke and Jason, and
Speaker 1: I like, like, you know, I've heard that from the boys,
Speaker 1: but to hear from Andrew like that made me really happy.
Speaker 1: When he believed in someone, he went all the way
Speaker 1: with it. My dad was like that, there was no
Speaker 1: stopping him. That he believed in you, and he was
Speaker 1: often really obviously right. He was right about because chills,
Speaker 1: he just nailed it time after time. We take a break.
Speaker 1: I'm I need water. Yeahs I might. I sort of
Speaker 1: have tears, but I'm trying to like, I don't know why. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. You girls can't compose yourselves, and
Speaker 1: we'll come back. You were smiling pretty big too. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we've been talking you guys, Amy, why don't you
Speaker 1: tell our listeners we ran out of time because we
Speaker 1: so enamored and we could listen to Andrew Shoe all day, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm sad he's gone. Like, so we're going to do
Speaker 1: a extra episode to talk more about Mellor's place, because yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't really get into the nitty gritty of the
Speaker 1: whole episode, and we can't just not a lot to say.
Speaker 1: It's Kelly's last episode, the last crossover episode, and we
Speaker 1: want to we want to talk about it. Yeah, we're excited,
Speaker 1: but it would be great if you guys have any
Speaker 1: questions or anything you want to talk about about the
Speaker 1: last the third episode of Mellor's Place, or Andrew shoe
Speaker 1: or men not wearing shirts, whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 1: Just send us your questions, you guys. He said, I
Speaker 1: was sweet. Oh it was crushy too, the whole thing
Speaker 1: that was amazing. Oh my gosh, you know what. I
Speaker 1: gotta admit that was cathartic for me to talk to him,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't going to and generally shocked I brought
Speaker 1: it up. No, no, oh my god, I was dying
Speaker 1: inside and it took everything in my power to ring
Speaker 1: it up because I was super nervous and I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say it. And it's cathartic because I never
Speaker 1: I've always thought like, oh, was something wrong with me?
Speaker 1: But I mean a little bit. Probably met a lot
Speaker 1: of men and guys. Did you think that every time
Speaker 1: one of them didn't like you know, yeah, in hindsight,
Speaker 1: like my dad shouldn't have set me up with his
Speaker 1: actors because I didn't get it back then. I was
Speaker 1: a young girl, so I just thought, oh am, I
Speaker 1: not pretty enough. I'm not smart enough, Like, why don't
Speaker 1: they like me? Like he did it with the guy
Speaker 1: from Models Inc. The lead there. He set me up
Speaker 1: with him, like he just kept doing it and of
Speaker 1: course they're not going to go out. What was that
Speaker 1: babe's name? Um? Oh my god, who was that guy?
Speaker 1: He would he took me, He took me, so I
Speaker 1: was We have to talk about this another day. It's
Speaker 1: like a whole story, a Jamie Walter story too, so
Speaker 1: he's involved. It wasn't that Eric Hexson. Wasn't no making
Speaker 1: him a male model that shot himself find mistake on set?
Speaker 1: No making of a Male Model a TV movie my
Speaker 1: dad did in the eighties. Oh so I sort of
Speaker 1: was right, but yet totally wrong. Okay, So there you
Speaker 1: have it, people. We will come back next week with
Speaker 1: another episode where we actually really do talk about episode
Speaker 1: three of the Place, and we will try to get
Speaker 1: it all out there. I love you guys. By