WEBVTT - The Shue Thing

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<v Speaker 1>It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, or should I say oh mg, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a very very exciting show for you today. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just exciting for all those listening, it's pretty exciting

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<v Speaker 1>for one of the hosts. Oh my gosh. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>her guest, our guest start today is Andrew Shoe. You guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm dying. She's so excited. Okay, is so excited because

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, this is our third and final, well

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<v Speaker 1>supposed final melrose Place recap show. We're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>third episode, and we've heard in the first episode you

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<v Speaker 1>straight out of the gate were like, I love Andrew Shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a crush on him. I had a crush

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<v Speaker 1>on Billy, I have a crush on Andrew. It's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, like I'm having like flashback like Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Austin Green vibes right now, Like I'm getting who Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. I don't bag. That's been bagged and done.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know how how how excited Amy Sugarman is

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<v Speaker 1>to be with it with us again today today to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a little bit sad you guys, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sad well, can we go back to Andrew Shoe for

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<v Speaker 1>just one second? Because okay, so we have this private

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<v Speaker 1>uh nine O two one OMG chat that we had,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amy just like she didn't like prep us or

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<v Speaker 1>call us and be like, hey, you guys, you know

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<v Speaker 1>we could get this or reaching out to Andrew Shoe.

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<v Speaker 1>She was just like, by the way our guest start

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, she put a picture of him, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I dropped my phone, you guys. I got

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<v Speaker 1>so nervous. And yeah, so even right now I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>flash I'm really nervous to talk to because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>I feel okay, you know that feeling. I got filming

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<v Speaker 1>with Brian again on pH and W and I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I was sixteen and you had to talk me

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<v Speaker 1>through and you were like, you're gonna be okay. You're

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<v Speaker 1>a grown woman, you have five kids, You're you're good

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with you right now. Yeah, because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>here's what's going through my head. Oh my gosh, Jen

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<v Speaker 1>has to do all the talking. Amy'll ask great questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to just shut up because I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna be smart enough and I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to say the right things, and it's taking me back

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<v Speaker 1>to meeting him at that party, the premier party that

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<v Speaker 1>we were at, where I was like, my dad was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Andrew Shoe is casting, maybe he would be good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh my gosh, am I gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get fixed up with Andrew Shoe? And I met him

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<v Speaker 1>and I was so nervous and nothing. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, we talked, he was super nice, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was probably like, nah, is that the only time

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<v Speaker 1>you ever met him? No? I mean we would do

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<v Speaker 1>Fox events over the years, but I don't think, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, We never had like a yeah, I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad was like, oh, my dad, hey, babe, my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter would be great for you. She's single, she's blonde,

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<v Speaker 1>she has a big crush on you big And I

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't even know him, but he probably said that

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<v Speaker 1>might be the first time I've ever heard you imitate

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<v Speaker 1>your dad. You're really good at his voice, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that which makes sense because that was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever done it. That's really really good, Really it did.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank god I took a chance and it came out.

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<v Speaker 1>I just totally had a vision of you dressed as

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<v Speaker 1>him and us doing some sort of like weird parody

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<v Speaker 1>about I don't know, but you're gonna play your father.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it. Um, you just gave me chills because

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<v Speaker 1>she is a little intuitive with stuff. So we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do this wool brainstorm. Okay, okay, really fast. I will

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<v Speaker 1>say this, and I don't want to make you more nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>But Andrew Shoe is aging like fine fine wine, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think you say that about all men, amy, you

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<v Speaker 1>say that every freaking man rancho. Yeah, I went down

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<v Speaker 1>the rabbit hole that is I just said, ho, rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking myself right now. I just I went down

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<v Speaker 1>the rabbit hole that is Andrew Shoe after you sent

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<v Speaker 1>that picture, and I was like, I mean, we we

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<v Speaker 1>have been, you know, we have worked with his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been Oh my god, I can't I'm so flustered.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And she's so she interviewed us and

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<v Speaker 1>she's great, um and no disrespect, but her husband is Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>did you admit to his wife your crushed? She didn't you, kid?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know that was her husband when we

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<v Speaker 1>were interfewing with which makes sense for me, But uh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you went down a rabbit hole? You went down

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<v Speaker 1>a rabbit hole. Where you mean on Instagram? Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>just said Instagram. I don't know what. Oh, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I did Google because in my mind, Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Shoe doesn't do social media. I don't think he does now.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even check it. Instagram looked always for his

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever pages. Remember, he's like a billionaire. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to overstate it because I'm sure the Internet is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like basically like he's a billionaire. What

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<v Speaker 1>they said his net worth? Yeah, they also say mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's whoa. Wait, that's good to know. So sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff is wrong. That stuff is always wrong. Always

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet's wrong. We could look up your net worth

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<v Speaker 1>right now and you'd be like, what look up Amy

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<v Speaker 1>Sugarman's net worth? The only thing it ever got right

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm privy too, is it? They they mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand, wait, five hundred million dollar estate that

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<v Speaker 1>my dad left that I did not inherit. So whoa

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<v Speaker 1>that was right? Fair? Jen, Yeah, I wonder if Andrew's

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<v Speaker 1>Shoes gonna buy it with his billions. I don't Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, Oprah, I always google Oprah's net worth because

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<v Speaker 1>can we ask him if um, well, let's see how

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<v Speaker 1>this goes. If he if he like, if I don't

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<v Speaker 1>screw this up, maybe he would be interested in financing

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<v Speaker 1>m Jen and I want to do a remake of

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<v Speaker 1>Death Becomes Sor. That's been our dream forever. Maybe he'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to finance it. He might. Why don't we start

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<v Speaker 1>with let's ask him was net worth is? First? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you a billionaire? Butter him up? We should ask him

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<v Speaker 1>about his book because you had me as that kids.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we had to talk all of the things.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Shoe. I can't wait where I mean functions for

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<v Speaker 1>him because did you guys notice he can't type? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to talk about the episode before Andrew comes?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we just get into it because you clear a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit? A little bit? Okay, we're gonna talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you guys about episode three, Lost and Found, aired July. Synopsis.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane faces near disaster when she goes out on the town.

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<v Speaker 1>Jake prepares to break up with Kelly, and Billy finishes

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<v Speaker 1>his first Directed by Charles Braverman, written by Frederick Rappaport

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<v Speaker 1>and Darren Starr. Yeah, okay, so this episode starts on

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what was happening. That's what it started.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Hey, who the heck is that? And

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<v Speaker 1>be what show am I watching the same thing? I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, let's go with your hair? Wait, can you

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<v Speaker 1>confirm it was Allison? Right? No, that wasn't Allison, you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I like trying to go like this, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't. It was just some other blonde. Some other

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<v Speaker 1>blonde could have been you could have been me. It

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<v Speaker 1>was not Allison, though. He was so creepy and murdery

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<v Speaker 1>and that was his like bad novel or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like the the gangster was creepy. His hairs

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<v Speaker 1>looked back fine, he was so I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching like a vodka commercial or something. Yes, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, absolute model, say what w t Yeah right? Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>who the heck is that? That's what my notes say?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? But then and then he comes back from

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<v Speaker 1>the dream and he's typing like this hunting pack. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they used to call that hunting pack. Yeah, huck,

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<v Speaker 1>he went to Dartmouth typing at Dartmouth. Amy, he's a genius.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you take typing in high school? Computer? Can you? Can?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys type like you use your hunting Nope? By

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<v Speaker 1>hunting pack a D F g U huh and then

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<v Speaker 1>period semi crillon l K you remember how do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that? I'm looking at it? And then you like

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<v Speaker 1>go up and down from those, but you always stay

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<v Speaker 1>on your home roabe. So like if you were typing Jenny,

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<v Speaker 1>can you like look at me while you're typing? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>f no, no, I'm a hunting pecker. I do one

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<v Speaker 1>at a time, never gonna change. Billy was doing and

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<v Speaker 1>I know if Andrew Shoe couldn't. It was super distracting.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did they tell him to do that? I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest. At first, when they when you saw

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<v Speaker 1>him at the computer and his hands were like under

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<v Speaker 1>the computer, under the desk, I was like, what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now? What is what? What is happening? Did

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<v Speaker 1>they have porn back then? This was I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was really getting excited about also wrote

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like two that's like apple to e

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. It was like humongous and it had like

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<v Speaker 1>um floppy disk. I'm gonna go back to the girl

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought was um Courtney Thorne Smith Allison Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did do a double take, but the hair

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<v Speaker 1>was different. It was a little off. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>like an Amy thing. I feel like they cast her

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<v Speaker 1>because it was foreshadowing that that's his type. I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you think about it, his current wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Shoe's current wife fits the mold totally Amy Robock.

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<v Speaker 1>She really doesn't. She's beautiful, but she is blonde, beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>yep like Allison, like the girl in the dated Allison

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<v Speaker 1>a real life Yes, we have to ask you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not asking him about that. It was huge. It

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<v Speaker 1>was we were a couple, Yeah, we can huge huge

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<v Speaker 1>like off camera, they fell in love during me the

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<v Speaker 1>they met there started filming. Wait, did you just will

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<v Speaker 1>it for me? Because Billie and Allison are become a couple,

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<v Speaker 1>a real couple. Oh my god, obvious I even seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing's ever been so obvious. I don't want to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, speculate or assume. I'm googling this right now.

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<v Speaker 1>How long were they together for? Alison looked Courtney Thorne.

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<v Speaker 1>Smith looked particularly pretty in this episode. Her clothes, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have such a problem with her clothes that I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even can invest in the character. I'm sorry. With

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<v Speaker 1>the Giant Blazers. How long did they date for doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>say that yet, but there's it's very confusing because there's

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of them from Melrose Place, but then there's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of them like where you're like, are you dating?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? Are it was fact? Right? Like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't just say okay, I feel like we're very

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<v Speaker 1>like Howard Sternish today? What's your net worth? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>date him? What her? We talked about a little. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna before I know because Andrews is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be on for a second, So you little questions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>put yourselves in Allison's position, so we're skipping ahead, but

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<v Speaker 1>she reads his crappy novel. Put myself in her position. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I would not make tunic cast role. No, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>wear that outfit and done. But I want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you about the Tunic Castle. But would you tell Billy

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<v Speaker 1>the truth? Have you ever been in that position in

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<v Speaker 1>real life where someone handed you some script? Because you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are like big famous actresses, like inducers, what would

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<v Speaker 1>you do? Would you tell the truth or would you lie?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would tell him. It was trash

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<v Speaker 1>like like she was pretty harsh, like straight. She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even offer up some positive She said, like, first you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like you gotta roll into that. I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta be like, well, it was really structured, really well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really felt there was the beginning and an ending.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it super clearly. Love the character of Da

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<v Speaker 1>Da Da, But you know, I don't know that's the

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<v Speaker 1>trains she's You've been trained so well, Okay, So this

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<v Speaker 1>comes from years and years from Jen and I producing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and being in writer's rooms, and we used to

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<v Speaker 1>not know, so we would just be like, honest, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like what is this? Oh sorry, not like Alice, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be like, we don't like this and this, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what if this? And then we were schooled that

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<v Speaker 1>in a writer's room you have to like you go

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<v Speaker 1>into it easy and you say the things you did like,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you get to the things you didn't like.

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<v Speaker 1>A giant waste of it is Holly, I'm not good

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<v Speaker 1>at it, not good at it. Torry was the one

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<v Speaker 1>that always has to do it because I'm like just

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<v Speaker 1>telling the truth, right, But I don't. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I could have done it if I was Allison. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my roommate giving me a script. Probably happen a

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<v Speaker 1>little softer. I wouldn't have said hate. I just would

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<v Speaker 1>have been like, um, I didn't connect or I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I feel good, just used feeling there. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't feel And it's just like your person. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys ever do a photo shoot where they then tell

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<v Speaker 1>you like, we're just gonna get a couple of safeties,

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<v Speaker 1>which really means like we didn't nail it yet, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting a couple of safeties. But we used to

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<v Speaker 1>have to say that all the time, like let us

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<v Speaker 1>just get a couple of safety takes, which means no,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely three were pretty shy. But when you just say

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<v Speaker 1>we just need to get guess you guys about when

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<v Speaker 1>Billy and Alison getting the fight and he goes you

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<v Speaker 1>have no taste, just like your lousy castlerole favorite line?

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<v Speaker 1>You don it cast role? Do people still eat to

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<v Speaker 1>a cast role? I think so, like Grandma's I'm all

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<v Speaker 1>for bringing it back and modernizing like old fashioned recipes,

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<v Speaker 1>but tuna cast role, I don't think it's ever coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the nineties it was not back. Like a

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<v Speaker 1>writer must have thought that was funny, but it's his favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even something she makes. She wears her grandma's

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<v Speaker 1>clothes and she makes her grandma's cast roles. There you go,

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<v Speaker 1>she needs an update already. Yeah, I mean, sidebar off topic,

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<v Speaker 1>but how classic was it when so after that first

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<v Speaker 1>scene and Alison, I think, walks out and the man

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<v Speaker 1>sins are by the plate. That's not how you clean

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<v Speaker 1>a pool. I've cleaned pools before, never been like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I got no idea. But there's a pool cleaner that's there.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember Jen, you were like every scene yeah, well they're

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<v Speaker 1>apparently he didn't show up because he's like caressing the

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<v Speaker 1>metal stick that thing. It was so weird in the

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<v Speaker 1>in front of everyone, like for all see and she's

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<v Speaker 1>in a bikini and he has this giant pager. His

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<v Speaker 1>giant by the way, that's what they look like. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do love this about melrose Place. The references to

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<v Speaker 1>l A things like Pink's Hot Dogs, Laurel Canyon. They're

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<v Speaker 1>always like referencing actual And then they're going to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the video of Ghost, which is in l A but

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<v Speaker 1>still is a good reference. She has the same hair

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<v Speaker 1>do she does. She has the Demi Moore the video

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<v Speaker 1>of Ghost stop in stop it. Wait you guys, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys guys need to pull it together. Amy, your bluff,

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<v Speaker 1>my camera, you're perfecting me. We are no longer friends.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening right now? I've lost them? People, Jennifer Eve,

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<v Speaker 1>don't say anything to embarrass me. I'm I'm I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do anything. But I actually I don't even have

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<v Speaker 1>a question. But it's just so like I'm living my

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<v Speaker 1>childhood fantasies. I think I've met him before too, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel at nauseous. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>your cheeks, she's blushing. Please bring Andrew in. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>take it anymore. Hey, guys, Hi, Andrew, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>We got so excited? Amy is Amy is usually not

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<v Speaker 1>this shade of red. Just so you know, she's excited,

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<v Speaker 1>totally gonna be normal. And then I just got weird

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<v Speaker 1>right before, and like I got clammy. Way to make

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<v Speaker 1>a guest feel comfortable. We've been watching your show and

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<v Speaker 1>we're big tree. We have Wait you you didn't hear

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<v Speaker 1>anything before this? Right? Oh? He heard it? I can

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<v Speaker 1>talk you. He's lying right now. He heard it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I just saw miss Sugarman smiling there. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>so you guys have all met right? I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear like, just you all talk about when you met

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day and what that was like. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, let's introduce you Andrew. This is Amy Sugarman,

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<v Speaker 1>our producer. I think they know each other, he said, Sugarman,

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the screen too, but we have met back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day. Oh my god, you said it like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are like old friends. I'm Ryan Seacrest producer. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ryan Seacrest was on an episode of mel Melrose Place.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even talk. He was finally, were you in

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<v Speaker 1>the finale? Still not the finale finale? Now? So Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>was a guest at the wedding or a funeral. It

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<v Speaker 1>was something one of those. I just saw Ryan this

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<v Speaker 1>past weekend there Georgia game. Yeah, did Georgia lose? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sitting right behind us and uh we were

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<v Speaker 1>high fiving. They were up ten zero and then then

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<v Speaker 1>they got crushed. I can't wait to talk to hibout

0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 1>because he would be excited to see you too, because

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<v Speaker 1>we all I've been his producer for twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>So we loved nine two one on Melrose Place, like

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<v Speaker 1>we this was our time? How was your time? That

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<v Speaker 1>was our time? Okay, you guys. You we know you

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<v Speaker 1>from obviously from like you know, Fox things. We were

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<v Speaker 1>all in the same kind of in the same boat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we went to a bunch of events and we went

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<v Speaker 1>to Uh. I think I ran into you over in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe too, you were doing the whole tour over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we went out to dinner. That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it Israel Isel? She never told me about that. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>they're mad at me now. I didn't tell them. Um

0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and and uh and we we were on nine or

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<v Speaker 1>two or no, and you were on Mills Place. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like kind of like you know, we're brothers and sisters, cousin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like part of the Spelling family to story into it. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is true. I have to say, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've never said this publicly, not I guess this is

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<v Speaker 1>public um, But your dad, Tory, he had had a huge,

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<v Speaker 1>huge impact on my life obviously because it really he

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<v Speaker 1>was really the one who kind of plucked me out

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<v Speaker 1>of nowhere and stuck me into that show. How did

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that happen? Like, how did he plucked you out of nowhere?

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Where were you and how did it happened? Very well,

0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.119
<v Speaker 1>so I had just started auditioning for things, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got in a small part in the Wonder Years. I

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<v Speaker 1>had three lines, and I had moved out to l A.

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<v Speaker 1>I had spent a year in New York where I

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<v Speaker 1>auditioned about a hundred and twenty two times. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a little black book and I got zero callbacks. After

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<v Speaker 1>then I came out to l A. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>only there for about three months, and I got a

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<v Speaker 1>pilot which was a spelling pilot, and it was really

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<v Speaker 1>because Aaron had had produced Soap Dish, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>movie my sister was in where he was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with Oliz the Shoe. Oh she's great, and then oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is her brother, and so he I think he

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<v Speaker 1>got intrigued. And so there was a pilot called Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>City which had these two is kind of a star

0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.440
<v Speaker 1>skin Hutch type deal, and we did a five day

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<v Speaker 1>shoot down in Florida, and which was a miracle when

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<v Speaker 1>I got that part of just like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be on a TV show. And of course

0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.479
<v Speaker 1>we know how many pilots don't get picked up. And

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out that they had hired somebody else for

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<v Speaker 1>Billy on Melrose Place and they didn't love him after

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<v Speaker 1>the first day back. So he was let go after

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<v Speaker 1>the first day because he was he was the way

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<v Speaker 1>he was playing the relationship with Alison was not the

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<v Speaker 1>right way, and there was a bunch of other things.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they just decided. And so Aaron calls me

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<v Speaker 1>at my dollar a month apartment, uh right off of

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Boulevard where somebody was murdered outside um and says, hey, babe,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to come over to my house tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>for kind of an emergency audition. You're not really auditioning,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just gonna be reading with people. I just need

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<v Speaker 1>to do this favor. So he basically downplayed the whole

0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.440
<v Speaker 1>thing like this is not a big deal. And there

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<v Speaker 1>were thirty people there. I drove in with my little

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two Mazda and and parked in the park that

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<v Speaker 1>I was valet. And then after three hours of going

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<v Speaker 1>into that office, you know, wall to wall bound leather

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.920
<v Speaker 1>copies of every show he had ever produced, and Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Chernin's in there, and every person from boxes there and

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<v Speaker 1>we're all reading with Courtney, and thirty people read with Courtney,

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<v Speaker 1>and people thirty people read, and about ten people read

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<v Speaker 1>a second time, and two of us were about to

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<v Speaker 1>read a third time when I heard Aaron talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Chernon and then seeing that last guy walk out

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<v Speaker 1>the door. And then Aaron comes over to me and

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 1>he says, you got the part, babe, and what I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what, what do you mean? I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do a Gulf City. That's such a cool show, he said,

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Gulf City got canceled two days ago. Look at that.

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.720
<v Speaker 1>And then then you didn't tell me. I came over

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<v Speaker 1>there and basically just flirted my butt off with Courtney

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and then I was shooting on Monday. That's what.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know who Corney was? Because she had I

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't really know much about anything, and now I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know. No, I was just I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the whole thing. But he totally obviously took

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<v Speaker 1>a risk, you know, put me in there, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah it was. It was awesome. So there's very few

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.320
<v Speaker 1>things I don't remember. I remember a lot. I did

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 1>not remember that story until you started telling it, and

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 1>then it all came back. It all came back being

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<v Speaker 1>being at the house watching Gulf City, remembering that he

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is the guy. And then after that.

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<v Speaker 1>So my dad, I think there's only two times that

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<v Speaker 1>he's actually said to a network no, no, no no, this

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.399
<v Speaker 1>is who I want and this is who we're casting.

0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 1>And it was Luke Berry and Andrew's shoe. So now

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the whole thing. Yes, yeah, it's true, and

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the network was like okay. And then the other great

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>moment I have with your dad was after we were

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<v Speaker 1>getting towards the fifth year and we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to renegotiate a contract, he called me and just said, hey,

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, we gotta figure out you know, you're six.

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you just come into the office. And so

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 1>I just negotiated the contract with him directly what he

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<v Speaker 1>and he literally took out a laminated card that had

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's salary on it and talked me through it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, you know, here's Heather and and

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think is fair? And I basically, you know,

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.239
<v Speaker 1>gave him my number and which wasn't as high as

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Heather's and he's like and he's like, okay, done. Jenny

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 1>liked him better. Yeah, I never got I never got negotiating,

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 1>no meetings. That's amazing. Was your intention always to become

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<v Speaker 1>an actor? Because I remember at the time, everyone always

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>used to talk about like Andrew Shoe went to Dartmouth,

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 1>he's so smart, blah blah blah, like when you were

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.040
<v Speaker 1>in a soccer place, all those things. So did you

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>intend to become an actor or was your sister inspiring you?

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Like how did that happen? Yeah, that was another kind

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>of crazy story. I did not intend to be an actor.

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about being a lawyer, and unfortunately I

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<v Speaker 1>had my older brother died in an accident, which was

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<v Speaker 1>going into my senior year in college, and so after

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.399
<v Speaker 1>that I was just kind of a kind of search

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<v Speaker 1>for the meaning of life. And I went over and

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<v Speaker 1>spend a year in Africa teaching and playing soccer over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And during that year, kind of another random thing happened

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>where um, I had gone to the soap dish premiere

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<v Speaker 1>with my sister and a picture of the two of

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>us came out in the Hollywood Reporter, and the head

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<v Speaker 1>of casting Universal Pictures called my sister's agent after seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the picture. I don't see why she would do this

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 1>just after seeing a picture, but she said, is is Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>She's brother and actor, And so the agent then thought

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 1>that was so kind of crazy that the agent called

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>my sister and said, you're not gonna believe this, but

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<v Speaker 1>this person wanted to know if your brothers and actor,

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<v Speaker 1>what should I tell her? And then my sister says, yeah,

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.880
<v Speaker 1>tell him, tell her that he is. I was living

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>in Africa at the time, had no interest in being

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.360
<v Speaker 1>an actor. So then she called me. And back then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, now you can like call on your cell phone,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unbelievable, or even FaceTime. Back then, like it was

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 1>like the phone would ring like and it was as

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>if the moon was calling while I was over there.

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Because it cost ten dollars a minute, and and it

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 1>was very exciting. I would only talk for five minutes

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>when you know, once a month. So my sister calls

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.119
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, you're never gonna believe what happened and

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:01.919
<v Speaker 1>if and I never I always told the story that

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>it was her excitement and enthusiasm that made me think

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal. And then when she said,

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:09.439
<v Speaker 1>and I told him you are an actor, I'm not

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>sure why, but I just figured I might as well

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.199
<v Speaker 1>create an option for you. So then I had a

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.400
<v Speaker 1>fully I had a whole weird to think about this

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 1>for a year I'm thinking, all right, you're in Africa

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>thinking wait, I could be an actor an actor, or

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.679
<v Speaker 1>I could you know, be an FBI agent because I

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>just read Silence of the lamp Um and uh so

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>when I came back and I was thinking, you know what,

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>this might I should try it. So then I had

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I went at a meeting with her acting coach and

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>that was another faithful moment where she said, you're it

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>seems like you're just as talent as she is. Why not?

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.239
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that was like a crazy twist. So I

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>did feel like the role he is weird. And of course,

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>then after getting off the show and thinking through whether

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be you do this rest of my life,

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I kind of decided to go into business and and

0:26:56.960 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 1>uh and and yeah, I felt like, I mean, you

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>guys have seen it's it's a very topsy turvy career

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and and you don't really have a lot of control

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 1>over it. And I wanted to raise my kids back

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>East And so is that where you are now? Back East? Yeah? Yeah,

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>I live live in Manhattan. Is there anything you can't do?

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like everything you touch turns to gold and

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that says you're a billionaire. But we're just going to

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>throw that out to you. But yeah, that's that's actually

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 1>not totally true, and it's definitely definitely not true the

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>way he said totally definitely. We don't usually look at

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>le's net worth before they come on the show, just say,

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, but this just happens doing I was doing

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>my research and it just comes up, like what am

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I supposed to do? I couldn't like not like guys,

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 1>he's looking away. It's never true, but they're never they're

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>never true, and mind them whatever that it's way off

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and not true. Okay, Jen and I played detectives on

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 1>TV for one season, and we know that when you

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>look away and you don't look right into camera into

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>our eyes, you're not completely telling the truth. Mr Shoe

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:10.239
<v Speaker 1>was going like that, did you learn that from our

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>stint on Mystery Girls? Well, Cagney and Lacy way back

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>when I thought i'd give our show credits. So you

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>were on Melrose Place for I thinks six seasons? Is that? Ita?

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And you left early? I left a year early, probably,

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what. I actually was contemplating thinking like, all right,

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>this is one of those things if you're stay on

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>the show too long. But it's hard to make a

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>leap to anything else. Didn't hurt our careers. I'm just going.

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>And so I tried to have have it both ways.

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I said, well, what if I do half the episodes?

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And they were like, no, you can't either kind of

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>got to do it all and I thought, all right,

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll let it go. Um. So it was only one

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>year and uh, and then actually the six years unbelievable

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know you guys were doing this sudden

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I think you were. We were shooting double episodes. We

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.479
<v Speaker 1>had we had two crews and we were doing thirty

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>five episodes for the year, and uh, and you know

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was amazing. So there will be times

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>where we would be shooting a scene and then right

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>afterwards shooting another scene that could have been like two

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>episodes ago. But it got confused. Did you all keep

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>that straight? You couldn't keep trying. We just had to

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>go Yeah, you had to have somebody explain on kids,

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Who am I what? Yeah? What have I been through?

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>The killer already? Did she already hit her hand in

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the pool? Did she rip off her wig? And there

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>was a giant scar? So Jenny has not seen there's

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>a Scar. Oh my gosh, it's Jenny has seen three

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>episodes now, that's it before. She never watched it before.

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>The good news is she's watching it for the first

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>time and she loves it, like obsessed with it. Yeah,

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Amy and I were huge fans, like not just because

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>it was my dad show, like I watched Miller's Place.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even watch my own show sometimes, but always

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>watch Mallrow's Place. Did you watch nine O two one, oh, Andrew, Like,

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>did you know that this was a spinoff of that?

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>And who these guys were? What did you say about

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>looking away from the he's a fan of our show? Okay, Yeah,

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I would not have been your typical kind of nighttime

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>soap fan. I would never watch Moor's Place. You were

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>in the sorority with me and thirty friends watching they

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>started back to back. I know, I know I was.

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I was a sports guy and a documentary guy and

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really even watch TV like at night at

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>that time. Do you still play soccer? I do still

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>play soccer, and my kids play soccer and it's awesome.

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:58.239
<v Speaker 1>But what's your position? I was a midfielder. I am

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>a midfielder. Yeah, actually had a goal in a game

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago. Nice, you still got it? People. Wait,

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>do you do you coach the kids? My kids are

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>really old now? I have well Amy, you know, I remarried.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Amy has two girls, and I have three boys. But

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 1>all three mine are now, two are out of college,

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>ones in college. Wow, I guess because you have a

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>blended family. Yeah, year old. But I can't imagine showing

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>up and like my soccer coach where my kids Andrew shoo, yes, yes,

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>like crazy, But I guess they wouldn't know. Were the

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>mom's like yeah at that time. Again, we're a lot

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>younger back then, so the closer to the time when

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>the show had just come off the air, because when

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.479
<v Speaker 1>I was I only coached my kids up until they

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>were probably nine, and then I let you know some

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of their little um So that was down in Princeton,

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, and uh yeah it was. It was fun.

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Everybody was sweet. Yeah, those those shows are Everybody just

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>had a kind of warm feeling about them. I always

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>had such mad respect for you because you I felt

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>like you were doing more, like you started up your

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>own organization, right, what was it? Do something right? I

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>remember that vividly, and I remember thinking, Wow, this guy

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>is doing something better than the rest, like it just

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know. I just feel like you

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>were making a difference, Like what was your inspiration and

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>like how did that start for you? Well, you're sweet

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and I remember you guys coming to a few events

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to support do something which was great. And it does

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>go back to my brother and and kind of searching

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>for more meaning. I think I felt like a lot

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of that had in a way giving me a different

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of confidence to try things because I didn't I

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't I wasn't bound by the same rules of like, oh,

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>that will never happen and why would you do that?

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I just say, like I don't, I don't know, why not,

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, just just try it. And so then I

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>think once I I found myself on a Tonight show

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>or doing things like this, I thought, this is just

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>so weird promoting yourself and uh so then it kind

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of just went back to my childhood where my dad

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>had inspired me to to do projects. My two both

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:24.959
<v Speaker 1>of my brothers, were Eagle Scouts, and so they had

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>done big service projects and I felt guilty when I

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>quit Boy Scouts, and so I had done a project

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>when I was in high school, uh called Students Serving

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Seniors because my dad said, you know, just because you

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't do boy Scouts doesn't mean you don't have you

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you know, you you would get a lot out

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of doing a service project. So I created this group

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>with with a bunch of my friends called Students Serving Seniors.

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>And that experience to me was transformative because it it

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 1>just showed me how valuable it is to connect with

0:33:56.360 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>others to do something that's beyond yourself. Uh. And so

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>then when I got on the show, I thought, Wow,

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>what an opportunity to do something like that. So you

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 1>do something still running full steam right now, years later,

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and feel very fortunate for you. Yeah. But so again

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>it was about having other mentors and other teachers nudging

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>me and pushing me and saying, hey, you know what

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 1>life life is. I mean people talked about this life

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>life is meaningful when shared life is rich, When when

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:33.919
<v Speaker 1>you're sharing with others and giving back to others, it's

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.439
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of an empty world when you're just looking

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to take for yourself. That's very true. And you also

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>started up like you cod is this with your wife

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 1>that you started another organization? Um, so right now that

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>we we just wrote up a children's book, children's We've

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 1>had a children's book that actually we didn't we weren't

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>thinking about it when we first talked about it. It's

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>called Better Together. It's about a blended fanly of squirrels

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and nick monks who find themselves after a storm kind

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>of stuck together in this in this hollow of a log,

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.720
<v Speaker 1>and they and then they realize that they do everything differently,

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>so they have so much fun. And then they're like, yeah,

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>but you do things differently, so let's go back. And

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>then as soon as they go apart, they miss each

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>other so much that they all come back together and

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>they end up creating a family called the mc Squirrelies.

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>And so we wrote this book and when when it

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 1>was coming together, just realized what was going on in

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the country and just thought, wow, it's it's really is

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>a time where we all just have to take a

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:41.919
<v Speaker 1>deep breath and and think about how uh, how much

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>we would gain by trying to understand each other and

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>trying to share more together. And I really do think

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that we're at a place now, We're in such an

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>insecure place as a country that the people you know

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>in sadly and it's really in a weakness. We all

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:00.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of go to our owners and go to our

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 1>tribes and and and get combative. So I think it's

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it's time if we're going to see our strength. Our

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 1>strength is to go towards each other. Strength is to

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>listen with curiosity and trying to understand each other. The

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>book sounds so timely, first of all, but also you

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>wait until your kids were grown up to write a

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.879
<v Speaker 1>children's book. I find that really interesting. Yeah, well we could.

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>We joked that we wanted to make sure that the

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>story ended. Well, it wasn't all unicorns and rainbows for

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you guys at first, right, Like, it was actually really

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 1>difficult when families are no joke, it's hard. It just

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>is because there's there's all these layers of of fear

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and mistrust really because you're like, do you really love me?

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>And you really you know? Would you know when your

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 1>blood for some reason, even though you might not really

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>get along, you'll still go to the end of the

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>yourthe But when you know, when you choose a family

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>like this, uh, it's just so much harder. And we

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>had very different parenting styles which also made it very difficult. Yeah,

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>how did you know you had different parents. Yeah, well,

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I just my my parents got the worst. Early. We

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>were really on our own most of the time. We

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 1>were kind of in the we figured out for themselves

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>type type upbringing. And Amy has had a very strict

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Catholic upbringing. Uh, and she felt like my boys needed

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 1>some serious discipline and structure. And I kind of agreed

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>with her. I didn't. I didn't kind of agree with her.

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I definitely agree with her, but at the same time,

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't go all the way that she wanted to go.

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like, this is gonna be too hard, and then

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna think it's you know, they're gonna resent you.

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 1>And so we were just constantly in this push pull.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, but you're giving them, you know. We

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.399
<v Speaker 1>all of our arguments became about the kids, just about

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have a married to a man who

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have children, but he's up dad to my three girls,

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and all of a lot of our arguments are about

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:10.919
<v Speaker 1>different my my parenting techniques and his thoughts on them

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>or how oh he thinks I should do it. Yeah,

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 1>And you know what I would just say, and I'll

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>say this everybody out there, you have to just constantly

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>being in communication with each other each other. This is

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the hardest thing that we're doing. We love each other

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and we trust each other's intentions. Now let's talk through

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the logistics of what we're actually trying to accomplish, and

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>not not assume right away that you're trying to do

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>this because you want power. You're trying to do this

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>because you want me to feel diminished, Like that isn't

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>what it's about. And unfortunately, you know, you get very

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 1>territorial about it, and you're like, and it's just so hard.

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Most most I think it's all second marriages with kids

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>don't don't succeed. But it's also there's also that part

0:38:56.680 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 1>that's like I find relief in having somebody see it

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>from a different perspective and give me their two cents about,

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>like what it looks like from from over there, you know,

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.319
<v Speaker 1>because I'm so in it so so often with my

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>kids that I don't see really making me think of

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Billy and Allison, because are you going to say that, No,

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't want my steps and listen to this. I

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>don't want him to be like, why didn't you mention me?

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sorry he listened to our podcast every week

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>episode You Billy that writes this, Jackie, I love you.

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. Oh sorry, No, don't worry. Write the scrappy

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>novel and Allison tells him the truth that it sucks.

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's like it's bringing all around. If you were

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 1>in that position and Amy wrote something, would you tell

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>her it sucks? Or would you go? I probably wouldn't

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>tell her that it sucked. Alison said, I hate it. Yeah,

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>did you watch this episode? Didn't? You didn't watch episode three?

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Just to come talk to us, right, you have no

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>idea what we're talking about. I have a vague me.

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I can mention one of your best lines. You have

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>no taste, just like your lousy castrole. Oh, I kind

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of vaguely. Do you remember that another you were in

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 1>a fan of Our Castle on a great line. I

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 1>remember the number of times I've trying to change the

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.919
<v Speaker 1>lines and they like, Andrew, we're gonna have to call

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all right, let's call what do they call? Really?

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Literally called Darren or Yeah? I was wondering it was

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Billy Campbell. It felt like there were like little slivers

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of Darren Starr in the character of Billy Campbell. Well,

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>definitely in the pilot he wrote. He wrote the pilot

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:46.240
<v Speaker 1>for sure, but then he wasn't as involved going forward

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>after that. Like even in this episode, like the third episode,

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>which Darren did co write, um, just you, Billy talks

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>about his like upbringing and wanting to be a writer

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and his dad not supporting him. And yeah, I'm sure

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>that that not supporting and all that stuff, but that yeah,

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>And I've never had a conversation with him about the

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of the origin of Billy, but it did assume

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>that it was linked to Darren, like that that character.

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>If there was a character that was linked to Darren personally,

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that it would have been Billy May. Is it okay

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 1>to ask about your off screen relationship with Courtney Thorne Smith? Sure,

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was public, like I miss, always fascinating,

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 1>like the relationship now or back then? Back then? Back

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>then we live in the past. Yes, we do. Sorry, Uh, yeah,

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean we had a we had a great relationship.

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>We I would say that I had never been on

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>a TV show before, and I had never been in

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a you know, working in a kind of a It's

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 1>intimate in the sense that you're every day you're hanging

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>out and and and of course the two characters were

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>having a flirtation during that whole first the first a

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>couple of seasons really, but so yeah, sparks. Sparks flew

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:11.399
<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly, and and then we started dating and it

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>was it was great. It was one of the great

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 1>relationships of my life. You can tell immediately from the

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>first episode that you guys have great chemistry. Yeah, she's

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 1>she's an awesome person. Uh, funny and smart and h

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and professional. That was one thing. All all the people

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 1>on the show were so professional and so great. Could

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>you ever product you Matt would marry Sidney? Sorry Tory

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that Matt married Sydney for like they've been like a

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred years. Laurel lat Man, that's like she did. She

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>did a grand show first, I know, I know. And

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody's friends, like we all we all got together recently

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 1>for a reunion and everybody was just so genuinely happy

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to see each other. And everybody's been so supportive just

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to each other's causes. I recently, uh, working on a

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>on a on a big project trying to figure out

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>how to heal the wounds in our in our country,

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and and and I got Heather involved. She called me

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 1>back right away and it was awesome. She's great and

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 1>doing great. Um, and so yeah, I feel just a

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 1>great warmth about all the relationships with with everybody, and

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 1>very and and so fortunate to have, like I said,

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>just landed into this show and never done anything before

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and have such great people. I love it. Well. We

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 1>um were interviewed by your wife a couple of years ago.

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 1>She's so, she's awesome. She is awesome. Uh, she's a force.

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I just talked to her twenty minutes ago and she's

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>she's set down in Texas. I guess Michael Strahan's going

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to going up with just Jeff Bezos is. Oh, that's right.

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Uh so there, I guess he's lasting off. Amy's downs

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 1>covering it, She's covering it. And and yeah, we Amy's

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>gotten me running marathons, hiking mountains. Uh. Yeah, we have

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 1>We live a very full life. We we uh, we

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>burn it on all ends, and you know, we just

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't assume we have more time. We have what

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>we have right now, and and so we try and

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 1>try and just do the things that do the things

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.879
<v Speaker 1>and be with the people that brings us the most joy.

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 1>We feel very lucky obviously to have uh, you know,

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>just just have freedom to do these kinds of things.

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I think right now, obviously with the pandemic and everything

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 1>people are people are still in the world is who

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>knows how things are going to go here in the

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.800
<v Speaker 1>next few months. But we move back into kind of

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a a defensive posture. Hopefully not hopefully we're getting to

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 1>a place where we can just live with this thing.

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Amy, Amy is awesome. I I I met

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 1>her at a book party and uh what it's been

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>a whirlwind, whirlwind for thirteen years. What book I want

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to know? It was a book party. Uh that was

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>about he was about moms, and I had started a

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 1>company called Cafe Mom, and uh so they wanted me

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 1>to come to help promote their When you wrote your

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>children's book with Amy, could you type or did you

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 1>like Billy? That's how funny say that. The reason really

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 1>type like that is because Andrew type like that. Really

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and Andrews still types like that. So so Sugar Sugarman

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 1>as you call her. Yeah, she she claims you went.

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:47.800
<v Speaker 1>She says you went to Dartmouths. You couldn't possibly type

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 1>like that, So she thought that They asked you to

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 1>do it that way. I like that. How in the

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.399
<v Speaker 1>world did you not know how to type? And let's see,

0:45:56.400 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I did take a typing class in high school. Said, oh,

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.879
<v Speaker 1>thank goodness. He really didn't hear anything before the Center

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>for Perfect dormouth with this. The funny thing is my

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 1>business partner, my business partner who I went to Columbia

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 1>High School with. Uh. He he said, the one. And

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>he's brilliant. And he literally is brilliant. He was a

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 1>chess prodigy. Uh. And he said, the one thing he

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.360
<v Speaker 1>learned in high school was how to type, and we

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>all did. So he's done all the typing forms all

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 1>these years. He didn't have to wait before before you go,

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm Tory and Jenny, I'm sure we'll wrap it up.

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>But when you showed up at Melrose Place and you

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>went to the wardrobe department and they told you they

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 1>were out of shirt because no one wears a shirt.

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 1>You don't wear a shirt Grand Show doesn't wear a

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>shirt like there are so few shirts. I don't know

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>if that was there, and but maybe it was just

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.359
<v Speaker 1>it was written there in the script must have been Darren,

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>then nothing. It must have been a darn thing. We

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:03.919
<v Speaker 1>weren't less be wearing shirts. I also didn't wear a belt, uh, surprisingly,

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and that became part of Billy's wardrobe that might have

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 1>been me too, or I didn't really want to put

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>on the belt because we were constantly changing our clothes

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And I'm like, you know what, Billy

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't wear a belt. It just took too long. You

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the time to buckle the belt. I'd have

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 1>to change the well to Max chose and just thought

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:24.720
<v Speaker 1>you did wear the legit Converse sneaks and the green bomber.

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 1>So did you have any say in your wardrobe the

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 1>first few I did start to change it after a

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit. I was like, I don't love this. But

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning, I just they had me in some

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff I would never have normally worn. But I felt

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 1>like I had to do whatever they said. I was

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 1>so happy to be there. So there was definitely what

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I would call some Yeah, did you not wear converse

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 1>in real life because it's not a typical athlete attire? Okay, fair? Yeah, yeah, No,

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I definitely move in the soccer stuff and I started

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 1>getting all that kind of in there to make Bill

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of a dude, I think your

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 1>book is the perfect holiday gift. I saw you guys

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>on Good Morning America, So that's how shocking. What were you?

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>How did you get on? That's how I knew about

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the book? I know, I know. We stuck on there. Yeah. Yeah,

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:21.760
<v Speaker 1>better together. It's it's out there and the people people

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 1>can get it on Amazon. It's that easy. Get it

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:28.759
<v Speaker 1>on Amazon together. You're gonna get it, sugarman, obviously, Oh

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, but we all need to get it. Well.

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Since you've been doing the show, ye third season coming up,

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like one year, but it feels like it's so funny.

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 1>You say that though, because we've done it for two seasons.

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.919
<v Speaker 1>But it's been like si episodes because there's so many

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>episodes of nine O two and oh, it's not like

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>these days. Ten episodes is a season for for Torri

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and Jenny, it's like you actually episodes. You watch it

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 1>and talk about it as it's happening. Yeah, we watched

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>yours for a minute. We finished season two of nine

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 1>or two one oh, and we wanted to spin over

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>to watch Kelly and Donna and David and Steve go

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to Miller's place. So we did the first three episodes

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:12.759
<v Speaker 1>of Miller's Place, and now we've all fallen in love

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.840
<v Speaker 1>with Miller's Place and we're really torn. Do we go

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 1>back to Beverly Hills two on? Oh? Where don't we

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>stick with Miller's Place? Out of podcast? We don't know

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 1>what to do. We really are loving Melrose Place, like

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I was always a fan, but like I'm like, wait,

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:28.319
<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to nine O two and oh,

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's just different because we feel like it's good

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 1>to have the outside perspective like Meller's Place. We could

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.880
<v Speaker 1>do that nine two O. We're so involved in it

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's hard to like really critique it. Well we do,

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:43.279
<v Speaker 1>you know? Um, Okay, before we go, Um, I have

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to admit something to you. I don't know where this

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 1>is going, Andrew, I don't know when I'll ever see

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you again. Uh, And we're going back to the good

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:55.399
<v Speaker 1>old days. So I told the ladies here that when

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 1>we started Melrose, we when my dad started Melro's Place,

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 1>but our family started our family. Yes, Um, he was

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 1>always he really wanted me to marry an actor, and like,

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>which not a good idea. Like I don't know why

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 1>he was always trying to set me up with actors,

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 1>but he was like he was a big fan of yours,

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, oh babe, He's like, you gotta

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:19.399
<v Speaker 1>meet the san Andrew Shoe. So I did a better

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 1>impression earlier than in front of you. So I remember

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 1>at the premier party and Jen was there too. He

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 1>wanted me to meet you, and I think he introduced

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.800
<v Speaker 1>us and I was just like so nervous. I was

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 1>like hi, and you were like hey, you were really cool,

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and then walked away and that was it. That was

0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the extent of our Remember that I have a vague

0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:49.239
<v Speaker 1>memory of kind of a meeting like this. Okay, at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, just turned around and look up because you're

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 1>not even looking closely to us. I just remember. I

0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 1>mean you were correctly if I'm wrong, but weren't you

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 1>fairly young at that point? Were you you didn't want

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to get involved? You were like a yeah, yeah, alright,

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:17.400
<v Speaker 1>so you were like as an adult, now, oh my gosh,

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 1>that was the wrong move. He always wanted me to

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<v Speaker 1>meet his actors. Why would any of his actors ever

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>date me? Can you imagine you land a huge job

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and then you're going to date the boss's daughter. Bad news?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I do recall meeting you and thinking you

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 1>were very sweet, and also thinking, yeah, that would not

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:39.359
<v Speaker 1>be a good idea. Yeah, see, it just confirms all

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 1>that that's how you felt like it always went and

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 1>there you go. Yes, but you were incredibly sweet. Thank you,

0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you got This is great, This is cool and

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and fun that you're doing this. Thanks for being here.

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 1>You have so much fun. And we've had so much

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.479
<v Speaker 1>fun watching your show and watching how it all began.

0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.840
<v Speaker 1>And you were a superstar from the moment you stepped

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:04.840
<v Speaker 1>on the screen. Well I was lucky, lucky, lucky to

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:06.880
<v Speaker 1>be on that screen. I don't know how it happened,

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 1>but you were both meant to be exactly And I

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>know that we will see each other again. Yeah, I hope, so,

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I hope. So, Yes, call us when you need us.

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.319
<v Speaker 1>We'll be there. We will. Good luck with the book.

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 1>See later, byee you. We didn't do kiss, marry or

0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:38.400
<v Speaker 1>kick guys. He lives up to every single he's killing,

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and he would have. He's a very good guy. He

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>can't be that perfect. I was smiling the entire time.

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.879
<v Speaker 1>My jaw hurts from smiling. And finally, I didn't want

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to be too outwardly like what a great human. He

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.160
<v Speaker 1>just seems like a really good guy, right, like a

0:52:56.360 --> 0:53:01.359
<v Speaker 1>nice husband, nice, you know, ow nice. He's a good dad.

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 1>He's always been like that. That guy is awesome. Oh

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 1>my god, he's what we all aspire to be. But

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 1>see that goes like he's living proof that if you

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 1>want to do something, you just jump in and do it.

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.040
<v Speaker 1>So much time saying why it couldn't work, why no

0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:24.439
<v Speaker 1>one would want it, why you know, and it's like, wait,

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the time we take to tell us ourselves the excuses

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 1>we could just be like trying so grateful and appreciative, Tory,

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:34.880
<v Speaker 1>what is that like? These the admiration people have for

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.160
<v Speaker 1>your dad. It's like, I know I've asked you about

0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that before, but it's like, what is that like for you?

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Because these people he changed their wives, he gave them

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 1>their lives. Basically, it makes me feel really good. Um,

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.759
<v Speaker 1>the ones that are grateful and are like, you know,

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.719
<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't that doesn't always isn't always the way,

0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.879
<v Speaker 1>And it's so nice like to hear genuinely his fond

0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:58.759
<v Speaker 1>memories because he and I have never talked about it.

0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've heard from like Luke and Jason, and

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I like, like, you know, I've heard that from the boys,

0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 1>but to hear from Andrew like that made me really happy.

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.040
<v Speaker 1>When he believed in someone, he went all the way

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:13.160
<v Speaker 1>with it. My dad was like that, there was no

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 1>stopping him. That he believed in you, and he was

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.920
<v Speaker 1>often really obviously right. He was right about because chills,

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 1>he just nailed it time after time. We take a break.

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm I need water. Yeahs I might. I sort of

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 1>have tears, but I'm trying to like, I don't know why. Okay,

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:35.160
<v Speaker 1>let's take a break. You girls can't compose yourselves, and

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll come back. You were smiling pretty big too. Okay,

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:54.640
<v Speaker 1>so we've been talking you guys, Amy, why don't you

0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>tell our listeners we ran out of time because we

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>so enamored and we could listen to Andrew Shoe all day, Like,

0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sad he's gone. Like, so we're going to do

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:13.480
<v Speaker 1>a extra episode to talk more about Mellor's place, because yeah,

0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 1>we didn't really get into the nitty gritty of the

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:18.799
<v Speaker 1>whole episode, and we can't just not a lot to say.

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:22.800
<v Speaker 1>It's Kelly's last episode, the last crossover episode, and we

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 1>want to we want to talk about it. Yeah, we're excited,

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:27.399
<v Speaker 1>but it would be great if you guys have any

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 1>questions or anything you want to talk about about the

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:35.080
<v Speaker 1>last the third episode of Mellor's Place, or Andrew shoe

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>or men not wearing shirts, whatever you want to talk about.

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Just send us your questions, you guys. He said, I

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:45.319
<v Speaker 1>was sweet. Oh it was crushy too, the whole thing

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 1>that was amazing. Oh my gosh, you know what. I

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 1>gotta admit that was cathartic for me to talk to him,

0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't going to and generally shocked I brought

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it up. No, no, oh my god, I was dying

0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.120
<v Speaker 1>inside and it took everything in my power to ring

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 1>it up because I was super nervous and I just

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted to say it. And it's cathartic because I never

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I've always thought like, oh, was something wrong with me?

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:13.279
<v Speaker 1>But I mean a little bit. Probably met a lot

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of men and guys. Did you think that every time

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 1>one of them didn't like you know, yeah, in hindsight,

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 1>like my dad shouldn't have set me up with his

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 1>actors because I didn't get it back then. I was

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 1>a young girl, so I just thought, oh am, I

0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 1>not pretty enough. I'm not smart enough, Like, why don't

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>they like me? Like he did it with the guy

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 1>from Models Inc. The lead there. He set me up

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 1>with him, like he just kept doing it and of

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:38.360
<v Speaker 1>course they're not going to go out. What was that

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:42.839
<v Speaker 1>babe's name? Um? Oh my god, who was that guy?

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 1>He would he took me, He took me, so I

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>was We have to talk about this another day. It's

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:52.440
<v Speaker 1>like a whole story, a Jamie Walter story too, so

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 1>he's involved. It wasn't that Eric Hexson. Wasn't no making

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 1>him a male model that shot himself find mistake on set?

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.800
<v Speaker 1>No making of a Male Model a TV movie my

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 1>dad did in the eighties. Oh so I sort of

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>was right, but yet totally wrong. Okay, So there you

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 1>have it, people. We will come back next week with

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 1>another episode where we actually really do talk about episode

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 1>three of the Place, and we will try to get

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it all out there. I love you guys. By