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Speaker 1: It's nine with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: you guys, or should I say oh mg, we have

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Speaker 1: a very very exciting show for you today. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: not just exciting for all those listening, it's pretty exciting

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Speaker 1: for one of the hosts. Oh my gosh. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: her guest, our guest start today is Andrew Shoe. You guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm dying. She's so excited. Okay, is so excited because

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Speaker 1: you you know, this is our third and final, well

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Speaker 1: supposed final melrose Place recap show. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: third episode, and we've heard in the first episode you

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Speaker 1: straight out of the gate were like, I love Andrew Shoe.

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Speaker 1: I have a crush on him. I had a crush

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Speaker 1: on Billy, I have a crush on Andrew. It's happening.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, like I'm having like flashback like Brian

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Speaker 1: Austin Green vibes right now, Like I'm getting who Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. I don't bag. That's been bagged and done.

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Speaker 1: And you know how how how excited Amy Sugarman is

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Speaker 1: to be with it with us again today today to

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Speaker 1: talk about a little bit sad you guys, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: sad well, can we go back to Andrew Shoe for

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Speaker 1: just one second? Because okay, so we have this private

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Speaker 1: uh nine O two one OMG chat that we had,

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Speaker 1: and Amy just like she didn't like prep us or

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Speaker 1: call us and be like, hey, you guys, you know

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Speaker 1: we could get this or reaching out to Andrew Shoe.

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Speaker 1: She was just like, by the way our guest start

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Speaker 1: I feel okay, you know that feeling. I got filming

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Speaker 1: with Brian again on pH and W and I felt

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Speaker 1: like I was sixteen and you had to talk me

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Speaker 1: through and you were like, you're gonna be okay. You're

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Speaker 1: a grown woman, you have five kids, You're you're good

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Speaker 1: to talk with you right now. Yeah, because I feel

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Speaker 1: here's what's going through my head. Oh my gosh, Jen

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Speaker 1: has to do all the talking. Amy'll ask great questions.

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Speaker 1: I need to just shut up because I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be smart enough and I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to say the right things, and it's taking me back

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Speaker 1: to meeting him at that party, the premier party that

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Speaker 1: we were at, where I was like, my dad was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Andrew Shoe is casting, maybe he would be good.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, am I gonna

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Speaker 1: get fixed up with Andrew Shoe? And I met him

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Speaker 1: he was probably like, nah, is that the only time

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Speaker 1: you ever met him? No? I mean we would do

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Speaker 1: Fox events over the years, but I don't think, you

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Speaker 1: know what, We never had like a yeah, I'm scared.

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Speaker 1: My dad was like, oh, my dad, hey, babe, my

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Speaker 1: daughter would be great for you. She's single, she's blonde,

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Speaker 1: probably didn't even know him, but he probably said that

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Speaker 1: might be the first time I've ever heard you imitate

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Speaker 1: your dad. You're really good at his voice, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that which makes sense because that was the first time

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Speaker 1: I've ever done it. That's really really good, Really it did.

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Speaker 1: Thank god I took a chance and it came out.

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Speaker 1: I just totally had a vision of you dressed as

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Speaker 1: him and us doing some sort of like weird parody

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Speaker 1: about I don't know, but you're gonna play your father.

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Speaker 1: I feel it. Um, you just gave me chills because

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Speaker 1: do this wool brainstorm. Okay, okay, really fast. I will

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Speaker 1: say this, and I don't want to make you more nervous.

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Speaker 1: But Andrew Shoe is aging like fine fine wine, which

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Speaker 1: I think you say that about all men, amy, you

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Speaker 1: say that every freaking man rancho. Yeah, I went down

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Speaker 1: the rabbit hole that is I just said, ho, rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking myself right now. I just I went down

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Speaker 1: the rabbit hole that is Andrew Shoe after you sent

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Speaker 1: have been, you know, we have worked with his wife.

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Speaker 1: We've been Oh my god, I can't I'm so flustered.

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Speaker 1: she's great, um and no disrespect, but her husband is Wow,

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Speaker 1: a rabbit hole. Where you mean on Instagram? Now, I

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Speaker 1: just said Instagram. I don't know what. Oh, no, you

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Speaker 1: But it was like basically like he's a billionaire. What

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Speaker 1: they said his net worth? Yeah, they also say mine,

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Speaker 1: and that's whoa. Wait, that's good to know. So sometimes

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Speaker 1: that stuff is wrong. That stuff is always wrong. Always

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Speaker 1: the Internet's wrong. We could look up your net worth

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Speaker 1: right now and you'd be like, what look up Amy

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Speaker 1: Sugarman's net worth? The only thing it ever got right

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Speaker 1: that I'm privy too, is it? They they mentioned the

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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand, wait, five hundred million dollar estate that

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Speaker 1: my dad left that I did not inherit. So whoa

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Speaker 1: that was right? Fair? Jen, Yeah, I wonder if Andrew's

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Speaker 1: Shoes gonna buy it with his billions. I don't Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, Oprah, I always google Oprah's net worth because

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Speaker 1: this goes. If he if he like, if I don't

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Speaker 1: Death Becomes Sor. That's been our dream forever. Maybe he'd

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Speaker 1: like to finance it. He might. Why don't we start

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Speaker 1: you a billionaire? Butter him up? We should ask him

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Speaker 1: about his book because you had me as that kids.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we had to talk all of the things.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Shoe. I can't wait where I mean functions for

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Speaker 1: him because did you guys notice he can't type? Oh,

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Speaker 1: Should we just get into it because you clear a

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Speaker 1: you guys about episode three, Lost and Found, aired July. Synopsis.

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Speaker 1: Jane faces near disaster when she goes out on the town.

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Speaker 1: Jake prepares to break up with Kelly, and Billy finishes

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Speaker 1: his first Directed by Charles Braverman, written by Frederick Rappaport

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Speaker 1: and Darren Starr. Yeah, okay, so this episode starts on

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. That's what it started.

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Speaker 1: I like trying to go like this, but it was.

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Speaker 1: It didn't. It was just some other blonde. Some other

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Speaker 1: and that was his like bad novel or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was like the the gangster was creepy. His hairs

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Speaker 1: the dream and he's typing like this hunting pack. I

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Speaker 1: think they used to call that hunting pack. Yeah, huck,

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Speaker 1: he went to Dartmouth typing at Dartmouth. Amy, he's a genius.

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Speaker 1: Didn't you take typing in high school? Computer? Can you? Can?

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Speaker 1: You guys type like you use your hunting Nope? By

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Speaker 1: remember that? I'm looking at it? And then you like

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Speaker 1: on your home roabe. So like if you were typing Jenny,

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Speaker 1: at a time, never gonna change. Billy was doing and

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Speaker 1: I know if Andrew Shoe couldn't. It was super distracting.

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Speaker 1: Why did they tell him to do that? I want

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Speaker 1: they have porn back then? This was I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So I did do a double take, but the hair

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Speaker 1: was different. It was a little off. But this is

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Speaker 1: like an Amy thing. I feel like they cast her

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, his current wife,

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Speaker 1: She really doesn't. She's beautiful, but she is blonde, beautiful

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Speaker 1: it for me? Because Billie and Allison are become a couple,

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Speaker 1: a real couple. Oh my god, obvious I even seen it.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's ever been so obvious. I don't want to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, speculate or assume. I'm googling this right now.

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Speaker 1: can't even can invest in the character. I'm sorry. With

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Speaker 1: the Giant Blazers. How long did they date for doesn't

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Speaker 1: say that yet, but there's it's very confusing because there's

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Speaker 1: pictures of them from Melrose Place, but then there's definitely

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Speaker 1: pictures of them like where you're like, are you dating?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? Are it was fact? Right? Like

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Speaker 1: I didn't just say okay, I feel like we're very

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Speaker 1: like Howard Sternish today? What's your net worth? Did you

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Speaker 1: date him? What her? We talked about a little. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna before I know because Andrews is gonna

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Speaker 1: be on for a second, So you little questions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: put yourselves in Allison's position, so we're skipping ahead, but

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Speaker 1: she reads his crappy novel. Put myself in her position. No,

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Speaker 1: I would not make tunic cast role. No, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: wear that outfit and done. But I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you about the Tunic Castle. But would you tell Billy

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Speaker 1: the truth? Have you ever been in that position in

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Speaker 1: real life where someone handed you some script? Because you

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Speaker 1: guys are like big famous actresses, like inducers, what would

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about being a lawyer, and unfortunately I

423
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: had my older brother died in an accident, which was

424
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: going into my senior year in college, and so after

425
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: that I was just kind of a kind of search

426
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: for the meaning of life. And I went over and

427
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: spend a year in Africa teaching and playing soccer over there.

428
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: And during that year, kind of another random thing happened

429
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: where um, I had gone to the soap dish premiere

430
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: with my sister and a picture of the two of

431
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: us came out in the Hollywood Reporter, and the head

432
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: of casting Universal Pictures called my sister's agent after seeing

433
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: the picture. I don't see why she would do this

434
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: just after seeing a picture, but she said, is is Elizabeth.

435
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: She's brother and actor, And so the agent then thought

436
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: that was so kind of crazy that the agent called

437
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: my sister and said, you're not gonna believe this, but

438
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: this person wanted to know if your brothers and actor,

439
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: what should I tell her? And then my sister says, yeah,

440
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: tell him, tell her that he is. I was living

441
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: in Africa at the time, had no interest in being

442
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: an actor. So then she called me. And back then,

443
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, now you can like call on your cell phone,

444
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, or even FaceTime. Back then, like it was

445
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: like the phone would ring like and it was as

446
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: if the moon was calling while I was over there.

447
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: Because it cost ten dollars a minute, and and it

448
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: was very exciting. I would only talk for five minutes

449
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: when you know, once a month. So my sister calls

450
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: and she's like, you're never gonna believe what happened and

451
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: if and I never I always told the story that

452
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: it was her excitement and enthusiasm that made me think

453
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And then when she said,

454
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: and I told him you are an actor, I'm not

455
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: sure why, but I just figured I might as well

456
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: create an option for you. So then I had a

457
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: fully I had a whole weird to think about this

458
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: for a year I'm thinking, all right, you're in Africa

459
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: thinking wait, I could be an actor an actor, or

460
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: I could you know, be an FBI agent because I

461
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: just read Silence of the lamp Um and uh so

462
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: when I came back and I was thinking, you know what,

463
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: this might I should try it. So then I had

464
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: I went at a meeting with her acting coach and

465
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: that was another faithful moment where she said, you're it

466
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: seems like you're just as talent as she is. Why not?

467
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was like a crazy twist. So I

468
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: did feel like the role he is weird. And of course,

469
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: then after getting off the show and thinking through whether

470
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to be you do this rest of my life,

471
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: I kind of decided to go into business and and

472
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: uh and and yeah, I felt like, I mean, you

473
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: guys have seen it's it's a very topsy turvy career

474
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: and and you don't really have a lot of control

475
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: over it. And I wanted to raise my kids back

476
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: East And so is that where you are now? Back East? Yeah? Yeah,

477
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: I live live in Manhattan. Is there anything you can't do?

478
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: I feel like everything you touch turns to gold and

479
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: that says you're a billionaire. But we're just going to

480
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: throw that out to you. But yeah, that's that's actually

481
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: not totally true, and it's definitely definitely not true the

482
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: way he said totally definitely. We don't usually look at

483
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: le's net worth before they come on the show, just say,

484
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, but this just happens doing I was doing

485
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: my research and it just comes up, like what am

486
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? I couldn't like not like guys,

487
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: he's looking away. It's never true, but they're never they're

488
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: never true, and mind them whatever that it's way off

489
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: and not true. Okay, Jen and I played detectives on

490
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: TV for one season, and we know that when you

491
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: look away and you don't look right into camera into

492
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: our eyes, you're not completely telling the truth. Mr Shoe

493
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,239
Speaker 1: was going like that, did you learn that from our

494
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: stint on Mystery Girls? Well, Cagney and Lacy way back

495
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: when I thought i'd give our show credits. So you

496
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: were on Melrose Place for I thinks six seasons? Is that? Ita?

497
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: And you left early? I left a year early, probably,

498
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: you know what. I actually was contemplating thinking like, all right,

499
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: this is one of those things if you're stay on

500
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: the show too long. But it's hard to make a

501
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: leap to anything else. Didn't hurt our careers. I'm just going.

502
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: And so I tried to have have it both ways.

503
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: I said, well, what if I do half the episodes?

504
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: And they were like, no, you can't either kind of

505
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: got to do it all and I thought, all right,

506
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: I'll let it go. Um. So it was only one

507
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: year and uh, and then actually the six years unbelievable

508
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: because I don't know you guys were doing this sudden

509
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: I think you were. We were shooting double episodes. We

510
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: had we had two crews and we were doing thirty

511
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: five episodes for the year, and uh, and you know

512
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: it was. It was amazing. So there will be times

513
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: where we would be shooting a scene and then right

514
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: afterwards shooting another scene that could have been like two

515
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: episodes ago. But it got confused. Did you all keep

516
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: that straight? You couldn't keep trying. We just had to

517
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: go Yeah, you had to have somebody explain on kids,

518
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Who am I what? Yeah? What have I been through?

519
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: The killer already? Did she already hit her hand in

520
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: the pool? Did she rip off her wig? And there

521
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: was a giant scar? So Jenny has not seen there's

522
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: a Scar. Oh my gosh, it's Jenny has seen three

523
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: episodes now, that's it before. She never watched it before.

524
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: The good news is she's watching it for the first

525
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: time and she loves it, like obsessed with it. Yeah,

526
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Amy and I were huge fans, like not just because

527
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: it was my dad show, like I watched Miller's Place.

528
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even watch my own show sometimes, but always

529
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: watch Mallrow's Place. Did you watch nine O two one, oh, Andrew, Like,

530
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: did you know that this was a spinoff of that?

531
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: And who these guys were? What did you say about

532
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: looking away from the he's a fan of our show? Okay, Yeah,

533
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: I would not have been your typical kind of nighttime

534
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: soap fan. I would never watch Moor's Place. You were

535
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: in the sorority with me and thirty friends watching they

536
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: started back to back. I know, I know I was.

537
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: I was a sports guy and a documentary guy and

538
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: I didn't really even watch TV like at night at

539
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: that time. Do you still play soccer? I do still

540
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: play soccer, and my kids play soccer and it's awesome.

541
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 1: But what's your position? I was a midfielder. I am

542
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: a midfielder. Yeah, actually had a goal in a game

543
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Nice, you still got it? People. Wait,

544
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: do you do you coach the kids? My kids are

545
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: really old now? I have well Amy, you know, I remarried.

546
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Amy has two girls, and I have three boys. But

547
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: all three mine are now, two are out of college,

548
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: ones in college. Wow, I guess because you have a

549
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: blended family. Yeah, year old. But I can't imagine showing

550
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: up and like my soccer coach where my kids Andrew shoo, yes, yes,

551
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: like crazy, But I guess they wouldn't know. Were the

552
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: mom's like yeah at that time. Again, we're a lot

553
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: younger back then, so the closer to the time when

554
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: the show had just come off the air, because when

555
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: I was I only coached my kids up until they

556
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: were probably nine, and then I let you know some

557
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: of their little um So that was down in Princeton,

558
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and uh yeah it was. It was fun.

559
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: Everybody was sweet. Yeah, those those shows are Everybody just

560
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: had a kind of warm feeling about them. I always

561
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: had such mad respect for you because you I felt

562
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: like you were doing more, like you started up your

563
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: own organization, right, what was it? Do something right? I

564
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: remember that vividly, and I remember thinking, Wow, this guy

565
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: is doing something better than the rest, like it just

566
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I just feel like you

567
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: were making a difference, Like what was your inspiration and

568
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: like how did that start for you? Well, you're sweet

569
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: and I remember you guys coming to a few events

570
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: to support do something which was great. And it does

571
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: go back to my brother and and kind of searching

572
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: for more meaning. I think I felt like a lot

573
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: of that had in a way giving me a different

574
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: kind of confidence to try things because I didn't I

575
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't bound by the same rules of like, oh,

576
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: that will never happen and why would you do that?

577
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: I just say, like I don't, I don't know, why not,

578
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, just just try it. And so then I

579
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: think once I I found myself on a Tonight show

580
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: or doing things like this, I thought, this is just

581
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: so weird promoting yourself and uh so then it kind

582
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: of just went back to my childhood where my dad

583
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: had inspired me to to do projects. My two both

584
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: of my brothers, were Eagle Scouts, and so they had

585
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: done big service projects and I felt guilty when I

586
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: quit Boy Scouts, and so I had done a project

587
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, uh called Students Serving

588
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: Seniors because my dad said, you know, just because you

589
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: didn't do boy Scouts doesn't mean you don't have you

590
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, you you would get a lot out

591
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: of doing a service project. So I created this group

592
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: with with a bunch of my friends called Students Serving Seniors.

593
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: And that experience to me was transformative because it it

594
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: just showed me how valuable it is to connect with

595
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: others to do something that's beyond yourself. Uh. And so

596
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: then when I got on the show, I thought, Wow,

597
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: what an opportunity to do something like that. So you

598
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: do something still running full steam right now, years later,

599
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: and feel very fortunate for you. Yeah. But so again

600
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: it was about having other mentors and other teachers nudging

601
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: me and pushing me and saying, hey, you know what

602
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: life life is. I mean people talked about this life

603
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: life is meaningful when shared life is rich, When when

604
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: you're sharing with others and giving back to others, it's

605
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of an empty world when you're just looking

606
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: to take for yourself. That's very true. And you also

607
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: started up like you cod is this with your wife

608
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: that you started another organization? Um, so right now that

609
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: we we just wrote up a children's book, children's We've

610
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: had a children's book that actually we didn't we weren't

611
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: thinking about it when we first talked about it. It's

612
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: called Better Together. It's about a blended fanly of squirrels

613
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: and nick monks who find themselves after a storm kind

614
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: of stuck together in this in this hollow of a log,

615
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: and they and then they realize that they do everything differently,

616
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: so they have so much fun. And then they're like, yeah,

617
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: but you do things differently, so let's go back. And

618
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: then as soon as they go apart, they miss each

619
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: other so much that they all come back together and

620
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: they end up creating a family called the mc Squirrelies.

621
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: And so we wrote this book and when when it

622
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: was coming together, just realized what was going on in

623
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: the country and just thought, wow, it's it's really is

624
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: a time where we all just have to take a

625
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: deep breath and and think about how uh, how much

626
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: we would gain by trying to understand each other and

627
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: trying to share more together. And I really do think

628
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: that we're at a place now, We're in such an

629
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: insecure place as a country that the people you know

630
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: in sadly and it's really in a weakness. We all

631
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: kind of go to our owners and go to our

632
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: tribes and and and get combative. So I think it's

633
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: it's time if we're going to see our strength. Our

634
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: strength is to go towards each other. Strength is to

635
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: listen with curiosity and trying to understand each other. The

636
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: book sounds so timely, first of all, but also you

637
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: wait until your kids were grown up to write a

638
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: children's book. I find that really interesting. Yeah, well we could.

639
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: We joked that we wanted to make sure that the

640
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: story ended. Well, it wasn't all unicorns and rainbows for

641
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: you guys at first, right, Like, it was actually really

642
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: difficult when families are no joke, it's hard. It just

643
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: is because there's there's all these layers of of fear

644
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: and mistrust really because you're like, do you really love me?

645
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: And you really you know? Would you know when your

646
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: blood for some reason, even though you might not really

647
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: get along, you'll still go to the end of the

648
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: yourthe But when you know, when you choose a family

649
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: like this, uh, it's just so much harder. And we

650
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: had very different parenting styles which also made it very difficult. Yeah,

651
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: how did you know you had different parents. Yeah, well,

652
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: I just my my parents got the worst. Early. We

653
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: were really on our own most of the time. We

654
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: were kind of in the we figured out for themselves

655
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: type type upbringing. And Amy has had a very strict

656
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: Catholic upbringing. Uh, and she felt like my boys needed

657
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: some serious discipline and structure. And I kind of agreed

658
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: with her. I didn't. I didn't kind of agree with her.

659
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I definitely agree with her, but at the same time,

660
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't go all the way that she wanted to go.

661
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: It's like, this is gonna be too hard, and then

662
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna think it's you know, they're gonna resent you.

663
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: And so we were just constantly in this push pull.

664
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but you're giving them, you know. We

665
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: all of our arguments became about the kids, just about

666
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a married to a man who

667
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: doesn't have children, but he's up dad to my three girls,

668
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: and all of a lot of our arguments are about

669
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: different my my parenting techniques and his thoughts on them

670
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: or how oh he thinks I should do it. Yeah,

671
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: And you know what I would just say, and I'll

672
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: say this everybody out there, you have to just constantly

673
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: being in communication with each other each other. This is

674
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: the hardest thing that we're doing. We love each other

675
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: and we trust each other's intentions. Now let's talk through

676
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: the logistics of what we're actually trying to accomplish, and

677
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: not not assume right away that you're trying to do

678
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: this because you want power. You're trying to do this

679
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: because you want me to feel diminished, Like that isn't

680
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: what it's about. And unfortunately, you know, you get very

681
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: territorial about it, and you're like, and it's just so hard.

682
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Most most I think it's all second marriages with kids

683
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: don't don't succeed. But it's also there's also that part

684
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: that's like I find relief in having somebody see it

685
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: from a different perspective and give me their two cents about,

686
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: like what it looks like from from over there, you know,

687
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: because I'm so in it so so often with my

688
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: kids that I don't see really making me think of

689
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: Billy and Allison, because are you going to say that, No,

690
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: I don't want my steps and listen to this. I

691
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: don't want him to be like, why didn't you mention me?

692
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry he listened to our podcast every week

693
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: episode You Billy that writes this, Jackie, I love you.

694
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh sorry, No, don't worry. Write the scrappy

695
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: novel and Allison tells him the truth that it sucks.

696
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: So it's like it's bringing all around. If you were

697
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: in that position and Amy wrote something, would you tell

698
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: her it sucks? Or would you go? I probably wouldn't

699
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: tell her that it sucked. Alison said, I hate it. Yeah,

700
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: did you watch this episode? Didn't? You didn't watch episode three?

701
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Just to come talk to us, right, you have no

702
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: idea what we're talking about. I have a vague me.

703
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I can mention one of your best lines. You have

704
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: no taste, just like your lousy castrole. Oh, I kind

705
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: of vaguely. Do you remember that another you were in

706
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: a fan of Our Castle on a great line. I

707
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: remember the number of times I've trying to change the

708
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: lines and they like, Andrew, we're gonna have to call

709
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, let's call what do they call? Really?

710
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: Literally called Darren or Yeah? I was wondering it was

711
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: Billy Campbell. It felt like there were like little slivers

712
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: of Darren Starr in the character of Billy Campbell. Well,

713
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: definitely in the pilot he wrote. He wrote the pilot

714
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: for sure, but then he wasn't as involved going forward

715
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: after that. Like even in this episode, like the third episode,

716
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: which Darren did co write, um, just you, Billy talks

717
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: about his like upbringing and wanting to be a writer

718
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: and his dad not supporting him. And yeah, I'm sure

719
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: that that not supporting and all that stuff, but that yeah,

720
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: And I've never had a conversation with him about the

721
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: kind of the origin of Billy, but it did assume

722
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: that it was linked to Darren, like that that character.

723
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: If there was a character that was linked to Darren personally,

724
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: that it would have been Billy May. Is it okay

725
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: to ask about your off screen relationship with Courtney Thorne Smith? Sure,

726
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was public, like I miss, always fascinating,

727
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: like the relationship now or back then? Back then? Back

728
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: then we live in the past. Yes, we do. Sorry, Uh, yeah,

729
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean we had a we had a great relationship.

730
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: We I would say that I had never been on

731
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: a TV show before, and I had never been in

732
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: a you know, working in a kind of a It's

733
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: intimate in the sense that you're every day you're hanging

734
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: out and and and of course the two characters were

735
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: having a flirtation during that whole first the first a

736
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: couple of seasons really, but so yeah, sparks. Sparks flew

737
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and and then we started dating and it

738
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: was it was great. It was one of the great

739
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: relationships of my life. You can tell immediately from the

740
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: first episode that you guys have great chemistry. Yeah, she's

741
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: she's an awesome person. Uh, funny and smart and h

742
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: and professional. That was one thing. All all the people

743
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: on the show were so professional and so great. Could

744
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: you ever product you Matt would marry Sidney? Sorry Tory

745
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: that Matt married Sydney for like they've been like a

746
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: hundred years. Laurel lat Man, that's like she did. She

747
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: did a grand show first, I know, I know. And

748
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: everybody's friends, like we all we all got together recently

749
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: for a reunion and everybody was just so genuinely happy

750
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: to see each other. And everybody's been so supportive just

751
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: to each other's causes. I recently, uh, working on a

752
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: on a on a big project trying to figure out

753
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: how to heal the wounds in our in our country,

754
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: and and and I got Heather involved. She called me

755
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: back right away and it was awesome. She's great and

756
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: doing great. Um, and so yeah, I feel just a

757
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: great warmth about all the relationships with with everybody, and

758
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: very and and so fortunate to have, like I said,

759
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: just landed into this show and never done anything before

760
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: and have such great people. I love it. Well. We

761
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: um were interviewed by your wife a couple of years ago.

762
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: She's so, she's awesome. She is awesome. Uh, she's a force.

763
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: I just talked to her twenty minutes ago and she's

764
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: she's set down in Texas. I guess Michael Strahan's going

765
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: to going up with just Jeff Bezos is. Oh, that's right.

766
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: Uh so there, I guess he's lasting off. Amy's downs

767
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: covering it, She's covering it. And and yeah, we Amy's

768
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: gotten me running marathons, hiking mountains. Uh. Yeah, we have

769
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: We live a very full life. We we uh, we

770
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: burn it on all ends, and you know, we just

771
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: we don't assume we have more time. We have what

772
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: we have right now, and and so we try and

773
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: try and just do the things that do the things

774
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: and be with the people that brings us the most joy.

775
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: We feel very lucky obviously to have uh, you know,

776
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: just just have freedom to do these kinds of things.

777
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: I think right now, obviously with the pandemic and everything

778
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: people are people are still in the world is who

779
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: knows how things are going to go here in the

780
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: next few months. But we move back into kind of

781
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: a a defensive posture. Hopefully not hopefully we're getting to

782
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: a place where we can just live with this thing.

783
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, Amy, Amy is awesome. I I I met

784
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: her at a book party and uh what it's been

785
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: a whirlwind, whirlwind for thirteen years. What book I want

786
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: to know? It was a book party. Uh that was

787
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: about he was about moms, and I had started a

788
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: company called Cafe Mom, and uh so they wanted me

789
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: to come to help promote their When you wrote your

790
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: children's book with Amy, could you type or did you

791
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: like Billy? That's how funny say that. The reason really

792
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: type like that is because Andrew type like that. Really

793
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: and Andrews still types like that. So so Sugar Sugarman

794
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: as you call her. Yeah, she she claims you went.

795
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: She says you went to Dartmouths. You couldn't possibly type

796
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: like that, So she thought that They asked you to

797
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: do it that way. I like that. How in the

798
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: world did you not know how to type? And let's see,

799
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: I did take a typing class in high school. Said, oh,

800
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: thank goodness. He really didn't hear anything before the Center

801
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: for Perfect dormouth with this. The funny thing is my

802
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: business partner, my business partner who I went to Columbia

803
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: High School with. Uh. He he said, the one. And

804
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: he's brilliant. And he literally is brilliant. He was a

805
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: chess prodigy. Uh. And he said, the one thing he

806
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: learned in high school was how to type, and we

807
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: all did. So he's done all the typing forms all

808
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: these years. He didn't have to wait before before you go,

809
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm Tory and Jenny, I'm sure we'll wrap it up.

810
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: But when you showed up at Melrose Place and you

811
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: went to the wardrobe department and they told you they

812
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: were out of shirt because no one wears a shirt.

813
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: You don't wear a shirt Grand Show doesn't wear a

814
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: shirt like there are so few shirts. I don't know

815
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: if that was there, and but maybe it was just

816
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: it was written there in the script must have been Darren,

817
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: then nothing. It must have been a darn thing. We

818
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: weren't less be wearing shirts. I also didn't wear a belt, uh, surprisingly,

819
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: and that became part of Billy's wardrobe that might have

820
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: been me too, or I didn't really want to put

821
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: on the belt because we were constantly changing our clothes

822
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: all the time. And I'm like, you know what, Billy

823
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: doesn't wear a belt. It just took too long. You

824
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: didn't have the time to buckle the belt. I'd have

825
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: to change the well to Max chose and just thought

826
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: you did wear the legit Converse sneaks and the green bomber.

827
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: So did you have any say in your wardrobe the

828
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: first few I did start to change it after a

829
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: little bit. I was like, I don't love this. But

830
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: in the beginning, I just they had me in some

831
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: stuff I would never have normally worn. But I felt

832
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: like I had to do whatever they said. I was

833
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: so happy to be there. So there was definitely what

834
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: I would call some Yeah, did you not wear converse

835
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: in real life because it's not a typical athlete attire? Okay, fair? Yeah, yeah, No,

836
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: I definitely move in the soccer stuff and I started

837
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: getting all that kind of in there to make Bill

838
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a dude, I think your

839
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: book is the perfect holiday gift. I saw you guys

840
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: on Good Morning America, So that's how shocking. What were you?

841
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: How did you get on? That's how I knew about

842
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: the book? I know, I know. We stuck on there. Yeah. Yeah,

843
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: better together. It's it's out there and the people people

844
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: can get it on Amazon. It's that easy. Get it

845
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: on Amazon together. You're gonna get it, sugarman, obviously, Oh

846
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: my gosh, but we all need to get it. Well.

847
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: Since you've been doing the show, ye third season coming up,

848
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: it's like one year, but it feels like it's so funny.

849
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: You say that though, because we've done it for two seasons.

850
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: But it's been like si episodes because there's so many

851
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: episodes of nine O two and oh, it's not like

852
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: these days. Ten episodes is a season for for Torri

853
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: and Jenny, it's like you actually episodes. You watch it

854
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: and talk about it as it's happening. Yeah, we watched

855
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: yours for a minute. We finished season two of nine

856
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: or two one oh, and we wanted to spin over

857
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: to watch Kelly and Donna and David and Steve go

858
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: to Miller's place. So we did the first three episodes

859
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: of Miller's Place, and now we've all fallen in love

860
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: with Miller's Place and we're really torn. Do we go

861
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: back to Beverly Hills two on? Oh? Where don't we

862
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: stick with Miller's Place? Out of podcast? We don't know

863
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: what to do. We really are loving Melrose Place, like

864
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: I was always a fan, but like I'm like, wait,

865
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: I want to go back to nine O two and oh,

866
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: but it's just different because we feel like it's good

867
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: to have the outside perspective like Meller's Place. We could

868
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: do that nine two O. We're so involved in it

869
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to like really critique it. Well we do,

870
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: you know? Um, Okay, before we go, Um, I have

871
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: to admit something to you. I don't know where this

872
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: is going, Andrew, I don't know when I'll ever see

873
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: you again. Uh, And we're going back to the good

874
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: old days. So I told the ladies here that when

875
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: we started Melrose, we when my dad started Melro's Place,

876
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: but our family started our family. Yes, Um, he was

877
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: always he really wanted me to marry an actor, and like,

878
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: which not a good idea. Like I don't know why

879
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: he was always trying to set me up with actors,

880
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: but he was like he was a big fan of yours,

881
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh babe, He's like, you gotta

882
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: meet the san Andrew Shoe. So I did a better

883
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: impression earlier than in front of you. So I remember

884
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: at the premier party and Jen was there too. He

885
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: wanted me to meet you, and I think he introduced

886
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: us and I was just like so nervous. I was

887
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: like hi, and you were like hey, you were really cool,

888
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: and then walked away and that was it. That was

889
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: the extent of our Remember that I have a vague

890
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: memory of kind of a meeting like this. Okay, at

891
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: this point, just turned around and look up because you're

892
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: not even looking closely to us. I just remember. I

893
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: mean you were correctly if I'm wrong, but weren't you

894
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: fairly young at that point? Were you you didn't want

895
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: to get involved? You were like a yeah, yeah, alright,

896
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: so you were like as an adult, now, oh my gosh,

897
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: that was the wrong move. He always wanted me to

898
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: meet his actors. Why would any of his actors ever

899
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: date me? Can you imagine you land a huge job

900
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: and then you're going to date the boss's daughter. Bad news?

901
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: I do. I do recall meeting you and thinking you

902
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: were very sweet, and also thinking, yeah, that would not

903
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: be a good idea. Yeah, see, it just confirms all

904
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: that that's how you felt like it always went and

905
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: there you go. Yes, but you were incredibly sweet. Thank you,

906
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah you got This is great, This is cool and

907
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: and fun that you're doing this. Thanks for being here.

908
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: You have so much fun. And we've had so much

909
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 1: fun watching your show and watching how it all began.

910
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: And you were a superstar from the moment you stepped

911
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: on the screen. Well I was lucky, lucky, lucky to

912
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: be on that screen. I don't know how it happened,

913
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: but you were both meant to be exactly And I

914
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: know that we will see each other again. Yeah, I hope, so,

915
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: I hope. So, Yes, call us when you need us.

916
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: We'll be there. We will. Good luck with the book.

917
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: See later, byee you. We didn't do kiss, marry or

918
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: kick guys. He lives up to every single he's killing,

919
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: and he would have. He's a very good guy. He

920
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: can't be that perfect. I was smiling the entire time.

921
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: My jaw hurts from smiling. And finally, I didn't want

922
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: to be too outwardly like what a great human. He

923
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: just seems like a really good guy, right, like a

924
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: nice husband, nice, you know, ow nice. He's a good dad.

925
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: He's always been like that. That guy is awesome. Oh

926
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: my god, he's what we all aspire to be. But

927
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: see that goes like he's living proof that if you

928
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: want to do something, you just jump in and do it.

929
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: So much time saying why it couldn't work, why no

930
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: one would want it, why you know, and it's like, wait,

931
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: the time we take to tell us ourselves the excuses

932
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: we could just be like trying so grateful and appreciative, Tory,

933
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: what is that like? These the admiration people have for

934
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: your dad. It's like, I know I've asked you about

935
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: that before, but it's like, what is that like for you?

936
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: Because these people he changed their wives, he gave them

937
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: their lives. Basically, it makes me feel really good. Um,

938
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: the ones that are grateful and are like, you know,

939
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: like it doesn't that doesn't always isn't always the way,

940
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: And it's so nice like to hear genuinely his fond

941
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: memories because he and I have never talked about it.

942
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard from like Luke and Jason, and

943
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: I like, like, you know, I've heard that from the boys,

944
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: but to hear from Andrew like that made me really happy.

945
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: When he believed in someone, he went all the way

946
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: with it. My dad was like that, there was no

947
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: stopping him. That he believed in you, and he was

948
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: often really obviously right. He was right about because chills,

949
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: he just nailed it time after time. We take a break.

950
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm I need water. Yeahs I might. I sort of

951
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: have tears, but I'm trying to like, I don't know why. Okay,

952
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: let's take a break. You girls can't compose yourselves, and

953
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: we'll come back. You were smiling pretty big too. Okay,

954
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: so we've been talking you guys, Amy, why don't you

955
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: tell our listeners we ran out of time because we

956
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: so enamored and we could listen to Andrew Shoe all day, Like,

957
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm sad he's gone. Like, so we're going to do

958
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: a extra episode to talk more about Mellor's place, because yeah,

959
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: we didn't really get into the nitty gritty of the

960
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: whole episode, and we can't just not a lot to say.

961
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: It's Kelly's last episode, the last crossover episode, and we

962
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: want to we want to talk about it. Yeah, we're excited,

963
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: but it would be great if you guys have any

964
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: questions or anything you want to talk about about the

965
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: last the third episode of Mellor's Place, or Andrew shoe

966
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: or men not wearing shirts, whatever you want to talk about.

967
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: Just send us your questions, you guys. He said, I

968
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: was sweet. Oh it was crushy too, the whole thing

969
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: that was amazing. Oh my gosh, you know what. I

970
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: gotta admit that was cathartic for me to talk to him,

971
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: and I wasn't going to and generally shocked I brought

972
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: it up. No, no, oh my god, I was dying

973
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: inside and it took everything in my power to ring

974
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: it up because I was super nervous and I just

975
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: wanted to say it. And it's cathartic because I never

976
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: I've always thought like, oh, was something wrong with me?

977
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: But I mean a little bit. Probably met a lot

978
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: of men and guys. Did you think that every time

979
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: one of them didn't like you know, yeah, in hindsight,

980
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: like my dad shouldn't have set me up with his

981
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: actors because I didn't get it back then. I was

982
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: a young girl, so I just thought, oh am, I

983
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: not pretty enough. I'm not smart enough, Like, why don't

984
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: they like me? Like he did it with the guy

985
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: from Models Inc. The lead there. He set me up

986
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: with him, like he just kept doing it and of

987
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: course they're not going to go out. What was that

988
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: babe's name? Um? Oh my god, who was that guy?

989
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: He would he took me, He took me, so I

990
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: was We have to talk about this another day. It's

991
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: like a whole story, a Jamie Walter story too, so

992
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: he's involved. It wasn't that Eric Hexson. Wasn't no making

993
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: him a male model that shot himself find mistake on set?

994
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: No making of a Male Model a TV movie my

995
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: dad did in the eighties. Oh so I sort of

996
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: was right, but yet totally wrong. Okay, So there you

997
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: have it, people. We will come back next week with

998
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: another episode where we actually really do talk about episode

999
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: three of the Place, and we will try to get

1000
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: it all out there. I love you guys. By