WEBVTT - Prospects Skip Pre-Draft Tests + Finding Difference Makers at WR and QB 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:06.640 And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.840 What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:11.320 with you? 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.760 Buck? Did you take in Opening Day Baseball? Did you 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.520 watch it? Or are you going to kind of ease 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.640 and ease into it? I didn't notice that the Dodgers one, 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.680 but I didn't. I can't say that I watched it 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.200 from beginning. It just kind of checked in. So Shoneo 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.600 Tani do what he does. One or three guys they 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:29.960 hit a homer. So yeah, excited about it? Now you 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.279 The bigger thing is are you gonna speak too soon? 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.880 You always get super excited the month of April May, 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:37.920 you're really into it. Then you begin to kind of 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.239 fade and fizzle for a little bit in June. You 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.199 pick it back up a little bit in July, and 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.360 then depending on how the pods are doing. I don't 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.400 know who's DJ I'm gonna get come on against in 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.839 sip Jim. I'll be honest with you. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.560 I got a text message from our buddy Chris Rose. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.440 It was like, hey, what do you expect this year? 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:57.800 And I was like, you know, I'm gonna set my 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:59.200 expectations just five hundred. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.959 Keep our excitations this year, just. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.679 Five bundred because but Bucky always, Bucky always tells me 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.920 that I get too excited. So I said, not this year. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.480 I'm gonna just go. And and last year we had 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.000 a great year. I think we're the second best team 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.840 in baseball. But we you know, so we had we 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.280 have a really good team. But I'm gonna get let's 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.280 lower expectations, not get ahead of myself. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:18.400 So what happened. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.840 We faced Chris Sale, the raining Cy Young Award winner yesterday, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.000 knock him around the yard and win. And I'm like, 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.080 we're gonna We're gonna wine hundred games. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:26.319 Like, let's go. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:29.399 It just took one day. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.440 It just took one day. I'm in, I'm all in 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.960 one day, and you're you're automatic all the way back 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.880 in again. It's a disease, Buck, it's a disease. It 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.639 can't help, but it's just a disease. It's so hard, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.760 Like I feel so bad. I feel so bad for 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.560 you because you this is what you do all the time. 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:50.120 And then ultimately, like your little heart is broken at 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.960 the end, and it's sad, it's not it's not fun 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:54.640 seeing you like this. 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.320 Yep, no it's it's it's, it is what it is. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.200 But I'm I'm I'm all in on the pods right now. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.600 I am excited about the calendar getting ready to flip though, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.680 because we're almost to April, and that means, man, the 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.880 draft is really really creeping up on us. I got 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.320 a couple of things I want to hit on today 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.520 with you, Buck, including I want to get into your 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.360 top vibes a little bit. And I want to know 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.200 because I feel like I've kind of told you some 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.680 of the ones that I'm struggling with. I'd love to 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.480 know like maybe two or three different two or three 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.560 different struggles that you got on your list. So we'll 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.600 get to that in a minute. But before we do that, 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.240 I had this conversation the other day talking to a coach. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:34.680 Brought up a great point, and I don't know what 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.680 the numbers are. It's like, I don't know close to 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.440 half of the top pass rushers, the top twelve to 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.960 fifteen pass rushers are not going to record forties. They 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.000 did not run at the Combine and they're not running 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.240 at Pro days, so there's no forties. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:50.520 And when we were. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.359 Talking about and he said, look like some for some 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:57.200 positions like GPS you can take those those numbers. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.040 And you can find value in that. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.400 And he was like, I can't, like, for an edge rusher, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.160 the numbers that they have going off of NFL players, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.920 He's all are so wonky because you might like, like 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.840 Jared Verse had one of the one of the best 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.760 GPS numbers of any defensive end. Well he's chasing Sakuon 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.400 Barkley forty yards down the field. Yeah, like that's where 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.040 that number comes from. So whereas some of the other 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.919 guys who you know are real explosive for eighteen miles 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.399 per hour. So he's like, for evaluating these guys using 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.880 GPS numbers doesn't really help them. And he was he 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.760 was saying that there's you know, they do some force 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.280 plate jumps at the combine, so they've used those more. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.720 Now even just you have the vertical number that you get, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.560 but the force plate to really see how explosive these 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.480 guys are. You're trying to find creative ways to, you know, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.600 to be able to put these guys on a level 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.360 playing field and see what the what the numbers tell you. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.480 So now this is hard, and this is hard because 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.360 depending on you school board, depending on how you're reared 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.960 in the business. You're now going to have to test 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.920 some of the philosophies and ideologies that many of us 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.440 have talked about for years, and you really trust the 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:18.159 tape without the workouts or the measurements or the things 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.479 kind of backing you up or validating some of your opinions. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.800 So when we talk about players, particularly past rushers, we 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.720 can talk about first step quickness, elite burst in those things, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.360 and a lot of times we can validate that by 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.039 looking at their ten time or looking at some of 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.960 the agility shuttles or three cone or any of those 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.200 other measurements that we like to use to kind of say, oh, 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.839 I can rubber stamp it because what I saw on 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.640 tape has been matched on what they did in the workout. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:50.000 Where it gets tricky is depending on the level of competition. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.400 Guys blowing past people on the snap and those things. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.920 Are we having true apples to apples discussions When we 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.640 may look at a Mike Green play in one conference 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.719 versus somebody else who is playing in the SEC against 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:13.919 presumably presumably better tackles and blockers in those things, that's 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.640 where it comes into play, because is there gonna be 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.760 a natural bias when we're trying to factor a set 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.760 of players from one area versus a set of players 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.760 from another area who may not have as many matchups 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.279 against premier players. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.359 Well, I think that helps, you know, when you have 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.800 these guys that go to the Senior Bowl. Because you 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.839 mentioned Mike Green, like, okay, well I got to watch 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.920 Mike Green go one on one, you know, a couple 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.440 of days at the Senior Bowl against some of the 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.279 better tackle prospects in the draft, including the famous rep 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.240 against Connery that you know made the rounds. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.599 Or you got a chance to see how explosive he was. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.920 So you've got that Ezaku from from Boston College was 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:59.359 another one that was there. Alanna Jackson was there from Arkansas, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.240 had a big game. Like you got a chance to 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.719 at least see those guys in person and uh and 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.039 see them move around. I know Alane Jackson ended up 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.640 burning a forty, but you uh, you know, at least 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.200 you got a chance to see it. Feel like the 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.520 Ohio State guys, I almost wonder, you know, like that 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.880 that Ohio State Pro Day was very heavily attended and 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.440 even though I don't think either one of them ran 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.240 forties jtt or Jack Sawyer, So that they're two that 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.680 aren't going to have a forty time out there, but 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.440 to get a chance to work them out and at 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.960 least feel them, you know, kind of feel their their 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:29.880 their bursts and their and their juice. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.560 I mean, that's old school scoutings what it is. Yeah, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.479 And so what I think the trick will be is 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.840 when you started having the positional workouts, if you can 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.359 bake some things into the workout that'll allow you to 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.440 assess how fast guys are. I think ultimately what you 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.040 have is a meeting of the minds between coaches and 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.760 the scouts to figure out what can we put them through. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:55.880 What is the one drill that we can put everybody 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.200 that we work out through. Then maybe we can have 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.800 a scout time on the side that allows us to 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.160 have comparables when we go to talk talk about these guys. Okay, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.200 jack So did this and this drill. Lenn and Jackson 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.880 did this in the same drill. So now we can 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.680 have some subtle things that we can line up. But 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.840 we knew it was a matter of time when these 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.760 guys started opting out of workouts and forties and those 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.520 things that we as evaluators, we were going to be 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.080 tested where we really have to hang on what we 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.440 always say, did we do trust the tape, Trust the tape, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.480 Trust the tape? Well, now you gotta trust a tape. Yeah, no, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:36.560 it's one hundred percent true. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.920 And it's become literally it's become a buffet of I 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:41.720 want to do Okay, I'll do the three cone, but 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.880 I'm not gonna do I'm not gonna do the jumps. Well, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.480 I'm not going to run, I'll do the positional drills. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.000 Like it's just kind of become a buffet in the spring. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.720 Whereas it used to be you could almost I think 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.120 scouts could almost kind of bully guys and be like, hey, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.520 you're the only one in this group that's not doing 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.559 something like we're not taking you. You told you always 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.960 tell a story about Lindell White on you like those 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.760 those days are over, man Like it is like in 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:10.040 terms of like player empowerment, like that's that's one area 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.520 from a scouting side of things that we've seen massive change, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.840 you know, a one not having their guys take the 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.440 cognitive tests after you know, the CJ. Stroud stuff, so 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.480 like you know you're you're You're get to the point 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.000 now where it's like, man, you better get out and 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.400 do your homework in the fall. Get out and see 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.440 these guys, go to some live games and see them 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.320 move around and see them do things, and give yourself 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.600 a little bit a better opportunity there, because if you're 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.040 banking on getting all this information in the spring, I 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.600 don't know, I don't know that those days are ever 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:42.120 coming back. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.800 DJ is. Look, it's gonna make it. It's gonna make it 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:49.000 really really hard to get your work done. So you're 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.200 really gonna have to get out there. You have to 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.640 trust Grand Coach, Like relationships are gonna matter more now 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.800 than ever. Like one of the things that you and 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.000 I have always done are a good friend who's Felman 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.360 puts out the Freaks List. So what it does It 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.120 gives you like a little preview of the super explosive 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.079 athletes that you need to pay attention to in the fall. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.840 And then when they put together great years, you can 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.000 always go back and reference the Freaks List because you 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.439 have the numbers that they've compiled high they going to 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.600 jump and do those things. It is it's gonna become trickier. So, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.520 for instance, I was just having a conversation with a 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.800 colleague about gam Scatterboo from Arizona State. Well, I love 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.320 as a player, right, just absolutely love how he gets 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.079 down to whatever his pro day comes. Hey, I give 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.360 you a vertical thirty nine and a half. I'll give 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.640 you a broad gymp in three. Hey we need that 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:43.200 forty seven. Yeah, I'm a pat. And so now you 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.600 have to make the assessment, Well, how fast do we 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.040 think he is? You know, like, what how much does 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.960 it matter? I'm looking at him in comparison to the 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.880 other guys on the list, Like where do I stack 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.400 him based on the information that I have. I love 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.240 the player on but I don't have all the other things. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.840 So where I have a junkins run this, and I 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:09.400 have other guys run that. Where that factor is And 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.800 so for the prospect it's a bit of the roll 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.240 of the dice saying to hey, everyone can't be mad 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.120 at me for not putting up a forty. I just 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.520 need to have one team that love me and hopefully 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.800 it doesn't impact my round value. But it makes it 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.520 a very difficult thing. And we say we don't want 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.720 to hold it against players, but man, you just remember 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.480 where how it is spring with me. We tried to 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.360 complete the profile. Hey, Buck, you don't have Hey, you 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.040 don't have a forty input it in the computer. We 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.480 need you to get out there and run. Hey he said, 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.240 he's not running. Yeah, but we can't put a final 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.080 grade on it if we don't have the forty. Those 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.040 days are done. I mean, you're really testing those old 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.800 theories that we talk about, like really grading off the 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.560 tape in those things. And you have some guys that 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.440 disappoint you when you see him show up for that 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.520 first mini camp and they run nothing like you expect 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:01.079 them to run. 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.920 Yeah, it's interesting discussion, man, it's and I think people think, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.000 I think it's very easy to say, you just watch 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.120 the tape, and who cares the tapes? All that matters, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.600 Like the tape is by far the most important thing, 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.680 but that other stuff when you're trying to level out 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.000 an account for competition, who you're playing against and things, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.559 and that doesn't necessarily have to be a big school 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.760 small thing, small school thing. You could be in a 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.319 power for conference and you might only play against you know, 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.320 you might be a corner who's only playing against two 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.920 or three receivers the whole year that can really run 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:34.880 and guess what those games you might be playing off, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.600 So I don't I've never really seen you get tested, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.720 like can I line you up? Nose knows no one 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.640 you can carry a vertical route like, I don't know 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.720 if you can run like that. So it does matter, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.760 It does matter. So that's why it becomes very, very challenging. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.040 Yeah, it becomes a challenge. And all these things only 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.960 become more challenging. And so the one thing that I 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.839 do know about scouts and evaluator is like, look, we're adaptable, 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.520 will adjust, but it makes it hard, particularly in doing 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.640 some of the things that we love to do. Right, 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.880 So we all everyone keeps a log in a history, right, 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.959 I've seen you reference your sequence list when we talk 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.360 about one player and trying to compare him to another 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.760 player two three years ago, to be like, hey, you 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.720 know this player three or four years ago, he did this, 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:21.840 ran this time, and look at the success that he's 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.960 having at a pro now. It makes it harder when 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.480 we're kind of like building the case to support our 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.360 player in a meeting, It makes it harder because I 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:32.800 can't do that. I can say, oh, he ran for 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.240 two thousand yards, but yeah, but we's is forty time 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.840 E coach, I don't have that. Well, well, how do 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.120 we know if he's going to survive? What are the 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.000 superpowers that he brings to the table that's going to 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.760 enable him to replicate that success as a pro. It 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.600 just makes it more difficult to be able to make 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.400 some of these arguments when you have Prospect A and 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.000 Prospect B with similar grades. But I have an incomplete 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.360 prospect incomplete profile on Prospect B. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.600 Yeah, and the other thing that we'll see. But we'll 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.000 see how this all transpires. A couple guys out there, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.480 there's definitely theories around the league too, which is, you know, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.319 this is how you get to the process without running, 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.000 you don't work out, not healthy, got a little nagging injury. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.080 So we're going to reschedule a pro day for middle 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.200 to you know, middle to the early part of the 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.920 twenties of you know, a week before the draft, right, 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.120 So you're gonna say the fourteenth, fifteen, somewhere in there. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.480 So I'm gonna have a late pro day and guess 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.160 what magically happens at that late pro day? A little 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.320 bit tight. I'm gonna do the position drills, but not 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.840 gonna I'm not gonna run a forty like that is 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.240 the that is like right out of the playbook of 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.000 how you get away with not running a forty these days. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.800 Oh so that may sound like a guy that I'm 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:47.079 writing about today, Will Johnson or Michigan who may not 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.520 ever record anything of significance when it comes to his 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.240 athletics stuff. And now we're led to just focus solely 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.560 on what he has done. And it's funny because what 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.360 complicates the Will Johnson and evaluation because he's someone who 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.520 hasn't worked at and run DJ. He's had injuries and 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.720 two of the last three seasons that it's kept him 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.200 out of games. And so now I not only I 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:16.000 don't have testing, but I have a durability concern based 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.800 on what we know to be true. He has missed 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.360 games in each of the past two seasons. It just 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.520 makes it hard some of the guys that you love 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.920 on tape you can't fully take a stand on because 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.840 you're like, man, am I missing something? Is there something 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.280 that's gonna come back to bite me? When we bring 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.440 him in the building and he works out for the 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.920 first time and you're like, oh, yeah, that doesn't that 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.960 doesn't look good because you can't have I don't have 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:41.320 a time. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.240 You know, I'm going through this list and I'm like 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.640 just just going through a mock draft, right, so from 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.800 like my last mock draft, I'm trying to find the 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.280 first player who had a full process, right that we 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.000 actually saw in an All Star game as well, So you. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.600 Know who, you know who it is. It's Grey's Able. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.360 Wow, Gray's Abel was my I had him going sixteen 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.560 in this in this mock craft, Mike Green is is 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.040 right there with him. But I don't think Mike Green, 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.120 I don't think he ran a forty. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:10.320 Did he? 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.200 I don't think he ran a forty. He just did 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.680 the I think he just did the cone drills. So, 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.160 I mean, there are not many guys that had a 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.960 full process that you got all the way through. He 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.800 saw him in the fall, maybe saw in an All 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.800 Star game and you saw him do a full workout 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:31.000 where you saw everything. So I don't know, that's interesting. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.440 It just and that used to. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:32.920 Not be the case. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.200 It used to be you'd have half the first round 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.880 were full process guys where you saw go kind of 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.640 through the whole thing. So it's just different. It's different 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.920 time you got to just there's nothing to complain about. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.120 It is what it is, all right, Buck, let's say 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:47.480 quick break, we come back. I want to get into 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:53.920 some of these debates here after this all right sign 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.360 for Hot or Not, brought to you by Wasabi Hot 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.520 Cloud Storage. Buck top fives that you got out there. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.080 I've had my struggles with some of these battles here. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.120 Give me give me your top three battles that you've 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.280 had of of difficulty. They're trying to stack guys a 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:10.720 different pace. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.160 So I'm gonna say, DJ, let's go to the pass 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.720 catcher thing, right, the wide receivers. And the reason the 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.480 struggle for me has has has kept me up at 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.800 night is really trying to figure out like, not only 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.520 how do we set the pecking order, but which guys 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.920 are truly wide receiver ones and which guys do we 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.440 need to project as wide receiver twos. So at the 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.280 top of my board, and we've had the conversation about 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:41.440 t mac McMillan, Matthew Golden, Amika Abuka, Luther Burden, and 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.360 right now I still have Isaiah Bond hanging at five. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.040 But DJ, when I look at all of these guys, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.520 right I can't say that any of them project in 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.480 terms of like their overall skill set as a true 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.760 number one. Maybe team matt or no one does that 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.280 like Matthew Golden. If you ask me in an ideal world, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.840 what's his position? And as we talked about the basketball 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.439 team analogie, he's the number two. He's the stretch to field. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.280 He's the other guy opposite the dominant pass catcher or 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.160 whatever I mean. Kay Buka plays in the slot. Luther 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.960 Burden is more like the Deebo Samuel kind of do 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.160 everything run option routes. Give it to them on fly 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.639 sweeps and those things like DJ. If I am a 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.359 team in need of a true classic number one to 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.719 anchor the passing game, I can't confidently say that I'm 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.840 gonna get one in this draft. And this is the 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.720 first time in how many years, five, six, seven years 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:41.480 that there hasn't been that established guy or two that 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.080 we can say, Hey, if I need a wide receiver, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.239 that's the guy that I'm gonna go get that. To me, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.800 that's problematic and it's one of the reasons why in 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:53.720 my draft we may only see two guys on the board. Yeah. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.600 I got a text from Kurt Warner who's going through 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.399 watching all these guys right now. And he was asking 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.200 me about Golden and he was like, and I infer 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.680 because I had Golden as my top receiver. And he said, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.480 do you think really think Golden is a number one? 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:08.960 And I wrote back and I said, there are no 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.440 number ones in this draft. Like to me, they're all 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.760 twos and there are different flavors they're twos, but there 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.240 the draft is full of twos and threes. Like, that's 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.359 not what this that's not what you're getting here, you know. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.240 You know, Marvin Harrison coming out last year was viewed 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.920 as a one. Neighbors viewed as a one, a dooonese. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.200 For me definitely was viewed as a one. Like there 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.199 was there were guys and even like Ady Mitchell, like 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.520 if he were to hit his ceiling, would would be 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.200 a one. Obviously you saw in Jacksonville. That's a number 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:42.800 one all day long. So I mean, that's not this draft. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.400 It's not this draft, man. It's you're trying to get 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.360 guys that are going to be solid players that you're 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.680 not going to have to replace, that are going to 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.679 be key guys for you, but they're not going to 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.639 be the We always talk about it from this standpoint 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.159 of like the game plan guys defensively where you're like, 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.480 oh crap, you better circle this dude. We got to 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.719 stop him. Like that's not this draft man, not at 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:03.520 the receiver position. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.480 It's not. And you know it's funny because, like Kurt 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.080 Warner would have a strong take on that, particularly this year, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.240 because there isn't the one guy that can do everything 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.880 that is expected of the number one receiver. And let's 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.439 be clear when we talk about the number one receiver, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.800 and by my definition, I would say the number one 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.320 receiver is a guy that anchors the passing game. He 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.000