1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: with you? 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Buck? Did you take in Opening Day Baseball? Did you 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: watch it? Or are you going to kind of ease 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: and ease into it? I didn't notice that the Dodgers one, 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: but I didn't. I can't say that I watched it 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: from beginning. It just kind of checked in. So Shoneo 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Tani do what he does. One or three guys they 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: hit a homer. So yeah, excited about it? Now you 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: The bigger thing is are you gonna speak too soon? 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: You always get super excited the month of April May, 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: you're really into it. Then you begin to kind of 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: fade and fizzle for a little bit in June. You 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: pick it back up a little bit in July, and 16 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: then depending on how the pods are doing. I don't 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: know who's DJ I'm gonna get come on against in 18 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: sip Jim. I'll be honest with you. 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: I got a text message from our buddy Chris Rose. 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: It was like, hey, what do you expect this year? 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, I'm gonna set my 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: expectations just five hundred. 23 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: Keep our excitations this year, just. 24 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: Five bundred because but Bucky always, Bucky always tells me 25 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: that I get too excited. So I said, not this year. 26 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just go. And and last year we had 27 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: a great year. I think we're the second best team 28 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: in baseball. But we you know, so we had we 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: have a really good team. But I'm gonna get let's 30 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: lower expectations, not get ahead of myself. 31 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: So what happened. 32 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: We faced Chris Sale, the raining Cy Young Award winner yesterday, 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: knock him around the yard and win. And I'm like, 34 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna wine hundred games. 35 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: Like, let's go. 36 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: It just took one day. 37 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: It just took one day. I'm in, I'm all in 38 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: one day, and you're you're automatic all the way back 39 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: in again. It's a disease, Buck, it's a disease. It 40 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,639 Speaker 1: can't help, but it's just a disease. It's so hard, 41 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: Like I feel so bad. I feel so bad for 42 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: you because you this is what you do all the time. 43 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: And then ultimately, like your little heart is broken at 44 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: the end, and it's sad, it's not it's not fun 45 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: seeing you like this. 46 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: Yep, no it's it's it's, it is what it is. 47 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: But I'm I'm I'm all in on the pods right now. 48 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: I am excited about the calendar getting ready to flip though, 49 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: because we're almost to April, and that means, man, the 50 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: draft is really really creeping up on us. I got 51 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: a couple of things I want to hit on today 52 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: with you, Buck, including I want to get into your 53 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: top vibes a little bit. And I want to know 54 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: because I feel like I've kind of told you some 55 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: of the ones that I'm struggling with. I'd love to 56 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: know like maybe two or three different two or three 57 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: different struggles that you got on your list. So we'll 58 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: get to that in a minute. But before we do that, 59 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: I had this conversation the other day talking to a coach. 60 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: Brought up a great point, and I don't know what 61 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: the numbers are. It's like, I don't know close to 62 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: half of the top pass rushers, the top twelve to 63 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: fifteen pass rushers are not going to record forties. They 64 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: did not run at the Combine and they're not running 65 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: at Pro days, so there's no forties. 66 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: And when we were. 67 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: Talking about and he said, look like some for some 68 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: positions like GPS you can take those those numbers. 69 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: And you can find value in that. 70 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: And he was like, I can't, like, for an edge rusher, 71 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: the numbers that they have going off of NFL players, 72 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: He's all are so wonky because you might like, like 73 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: Jared Verse had one of the one of the best 74 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: GPS numbers of any defensive end. Well he's chasing Sakuon 75 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: Barkley forty yards down the field. Yeah, like that's where 76 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: that number comes from. So whereas some of the other 77 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: guys who you know are real explosive for eighteen miles 78 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 2: per hour. So he's like, for evaluating these guys using 79 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: GPS numbers doesn't really help them. And he was he 80 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: was saying that there's you know, they do some force 81 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: plate jumps at the combine, so they've used those more. 82 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: Now even just you have the vertical number that you get, 83 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: but the force plate to really see how explosive these 84 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: guys are. You're trying to find creative ways to, you know, 85 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: to be able to put these guys on a level 86 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: playing field and see what the what the numbers tell you. 87 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: So now this is hard, and this is hard because 88 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: depending on you school board, depending on how you're reared 89 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: in the business. You're now going to have to test 90 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: some of the philosophies and ideologies that many of us 91 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: have talked about for years, and you really trust the 92 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: tape without the workouts or the measurements or the things 93 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: kind of backing you up or validating some of your opinions. 94 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: So when we talk about players, particularly past rushers, we 95 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: can talk about first step quickness, elite burst in those things, 96 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of times we can validate that by 97 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: looking at their ten time or looking at some of 98 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: the agility shuttles or three cone or any of those 99 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: other measurements that we like to use to kind of say, oh, 100 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: I can rubber stamp it because what I saw on 101 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: tape has been matched on what they did in the workout. 102 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: Where it gets tricky is depending on the level of competition. 103 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Guys blowing past people on the snap and those things. 104 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: Are we having true apples to apples discussions When we 105 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: may look at a Mike Green play in one conference 106 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: versus somebody else who is playing in the SEC against 107 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: presumably presumably better tackles and blockers in those things, that's 108 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: where it comes into play, because is there gonna be 109 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: a natural bias when we're trying to factor a set 110 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: of players from one area versus a set of players 111 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: from another area who may not have as many matchups 112 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: against premier players. 113 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: Well, I think that helps, you know, when you have 114 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: these guys that go to the Senior Bowl. Because you 115 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: mentioned Mike Green, like, okay, well I got to watch 116 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: Mike Green go one on one, you know, a couple 117 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: of days at the Senior Bowl against some of the 118 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: better tackle prospects in the draft, including the famous rep 119 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: against Connery that you know made the rounds. 120 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: Or you got a chance to see how explosive he was. 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: So you've got that Ezaku from from Boston College was 122 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 2: another one that was there. Alanna Jackson was there from Arkansas, 123 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: had a big game. Like you got a chance to 124 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: at least see those guys in person and uh and 125 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: see them move around. I know Alane Jackson ended up 126 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: burning a forty, but you uh, you know, at least 127 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: you got a chance to see it. Feel like the 128 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: Ohio State guys, I almost wonder, you know, like that 129 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: that Ohio State Pro Day was very heavily attended and 130 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: even though I don't think either one of them ran 131 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: forties jtt or Jack Sawyer, So that they're two that 132 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: aren't going to have a forty time out there, but 133 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: to get a chance to work them out and at 134 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: least feel them, you know, kind of feel their their 135 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: their bursts and their and their juice. 136 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's old school scoutings what it is. Yeah, 137 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: And so what I think the trick will be is 138 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: when you started having the positional workouts, if you can 139 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: bake some things into the workout that'll allow you to 140 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: assess how fast guys are. I think ultimately what you 141 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: have is a meeting of the minds between coaches and 142 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: the scouts to figure out what can we put them through. 143 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: What is the one drill that we can put everybody 144 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: that we work out through. Then maybe we can have 145 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: a scout time on the side that allows us to 146 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: have comparables when we go to talk talk about these guys. Okay, 147 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: jack So did this and this drill. Lenn and Jackson 148 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: did this in the same drill. So now we can 149 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: have some subtle things that we can line up. But 150 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: we knew it was a matter of time when these 151 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: guys started opting out of workouts and forties and those 152 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: things that we as evaluators, we were going to be 153 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: tested where we really have to hang on what we 154 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: always say, did we do trust the tape, Trust the tape, 155 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: Trust the tape? Well, now you gotta trust a tape. Yeah, no, 156 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent true. 157 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: And it's become literally it's become a buffet of I 158 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: want to do Okay, I'll do the three cone, but 159 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do I'm not gonna do the jumps. Well, 160 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: I'm not going to run, I'll do the positional drills. 161 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: Like it's just kind of become a buffet in the spring. 162 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: Whereas it used to be you could almost I think 163 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: scouts could almost kind of bully guys and be like, hey, 164 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: you're the only one in this group that's not doing 165 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 2: something like we're not taking you. You told you always 166 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: tell a story about Lindell White on you like those 167 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: those days are over, man Like it is like in 168 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: terms of like player empowerment, like that's that's one area 169 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: from a scouting side of things that we've seen massive change, 170 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: you know, a one not having their guys take the 171 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: cognitive tests after you know, the CJ. Stroud stuff, so 172 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: like you know you're you're You're get to the point 173 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: now where it's like, man, you better get out and 174 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: do your homework in the fall. Get out and see 175 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: these guys, go to some live games and see them 176 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: move around and see them do things, and give yourself 177 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: a little bit a better opportunity there, because if you're 178 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: banking on getting all this information in the spring, I 179 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know that those days are ever 180 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: coming back. 181 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: DJ is. Look, it's gonna make it. It's gonna make it 182 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: really really hard to get your work done. So you're 183 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: really gonna have to get out there. You have to 184 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: trust Grand Coach, Like relationships are gonna matter more now 185 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: than ever. Like one of the things that you and 186 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: I have always done are a good friend who's Felman 187 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: puts out the Freaks List. So what it does It 188 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: gives you like a little preview of the super explosive 189 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: athletes that you need to pay attention to in the fall. 190 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: And then when they put together great years, you can 191 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: always go back and reference the Freaks List because you 192 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: have the numbers that they've compiled high they going to 193 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: jump and do those things. It is it's gonna become trickier. So, 194 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: for instance, I was just having a conversation with a 195 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: colleague about gam Scatterboo from Arizona State. Well, I love 196 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: as a player, right, just absolutely love how he gets 197 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: down to whatever his pro day comes. Hey, I give 198 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: you a vertical thirty nine and a half. I'll give 199 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: you a broad gymp in three. Hey we need that 200 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: forty seven. Yeah, I'm a pat. And so now you 201 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: have to make the assessment, Well, how fast do we 202 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: think he is? You know, like, what how much does 203 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: it matter? I'm looking at him in comparison to the 204 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: other guys on the list, Like where do I stack 205 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: him based on the information that I have. I love 206 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: the player on but I don't have all the other things. 207 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: So where I have a junkins run this, and I 208 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: have other guys run that. Where that factor is And 209 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: so for the prospect it's a bit of the roll 210 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: of the dice saying to hey, everyone can't be mad 211 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: at me for not putting up a forty. I just 212 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: need to have one team that love me and hopefully 213 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't impact my round value. But it makes it 214 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: a very difficult thing. And we say we don't want 215 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: to hold it against players, but man, you just remember 216 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: where how it is spring with me. We tried to 217 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: complete the profile. Hey, Buck, you don't have Hey, you 218 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: don't have a forty input it in the computer. We 219 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: need you to get out there and run. Hey he said, 220 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: he's not running. Yeah, but we can't put a final 221 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: grade on it if we don't have the forty. Those 222 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: days are done. I mean, you're really testing those old 223 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: theories that we talk about, like really grading off the 224 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: tape in those things. And you have some guys that 225 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: disappoint you when you see him show up for that 226 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: first mini camp and they run nothing like you expect 227 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: them to run. 228 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting discussion, man, it's and I think people think, 229 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: I think it's very easy to say, you just watch 230 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: the tape, and who cares the tapes? All that matters, 231 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: Like the tape is by far the most important thing, 232 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: but that other stuff when you're trying to level out 233 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: an account for competition, who you're playing against and things, 234 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: and that doesn't necessarily have to be a big school 235 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: small thing, small school thing. You could be in a 236 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: power for conference and you might only play against you know, 237 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: you might be a corner who's only playing against two 238 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: or three receivers the whole year that can really run 239 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: and guess what those games you might be playing off, 240 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: So I don't I've never really seen you get tested, 241 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: like can I line you up? Nose knows no one 242 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: you can carry a vertical route like, I don't know 243 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: if you can run like that. So it does matter, 244 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: It does matter. So that's why it becomes very, very challenging. 245 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it becomes a challenge. And all these things only 246 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: become more challenging. And so the one thing that I 247 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: do know about scouts and evaluator is like, look, we're adaptable, 248 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: will adjust, but it makes it hard, particularly in doing 249 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: some of the things that we love to do. Right, 250 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: So we all everyone keeps a log in a history, right, 251 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: I've seen you reference your sequence list when we talk 252 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: about one player and trying to compare him to another 253 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: player two three years ago, to be like, hey, you 254 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: know this player three or four years ago, he did this, 255 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: ran this time, and look at the success that he's 256 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: having at a pro now. It makes it harder when 257 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: we're kind of like building the case to support our 258 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: player in a meeting, It makes it harder because I 259 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: can't do that. I can say, oh, he ran for 260 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: two thousand yards, but yeah, but we's is forty time 261 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: E coach, I don't have that. Well, well, how do 262 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: we know if he's going to survive? What are the 263 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: superpowers that he brings to the table that's going to 264 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: enable him to replicate that success as a pro. It 265 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: just makes it more difficult to be able to make 266 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: some of these arguments when you have Prospect A and 267 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: Prospect B with similar grades. But I have an incomplete 268 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: prospect incomplete profile on Prospect B. 269 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other thing that we'll see. But we'll 270 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: see how this all transpires. A couple guys out there, 271 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: there's definitely theories around the league too, which is, you know, 272 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: this is how you get to the process without running, 273 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: you don't work out, not healthy, got a little nagging injury. 274 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: So we're going to reschedule a pro day for middle 275 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: to you know, middle to the early part of the 276 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: twenties of you know, a week before the draft, right, 277 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: So you're gonna say the fourteenth, fifteen, somewhere in there. 278 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have a late pro day and guess 279 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: what magically happens at that late pro day? A little 280 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: bit tight. I'm gonna do the position drills, but not 281 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna run a forty like that is 282 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: the that is like right out of the playbook of 283 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: how you get away with not running a forty these days. 284 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh so that may sound like a guy that I'm 285 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: writing about today, Will Johnson or Michigan who may not 286 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: ever record anything of significance when it comes to his 287 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: athletics stuff. And now we're led to just focus solely 288 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: on what he has done. And it's funny because what 289 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: complicates the Will Johnson and evaluation because he's someone who 290 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: hasn't worked at and run DJ. He's had injuries and 291 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: two of the last three seasons that it's kept him 292 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: out of games. And so now I not only I 293 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: don't have testing, but I have a durability concern based 294 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: on what we know to be true. He has missed 295 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: games in each of the past two seasons. It just 296 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: makes it hard some of the guys that you love 297 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: on tape you can't fully take a stand on because 298 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: you're like, man, am I missing something? Is there something 299 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: that's gonna come back to bite me? When we bring 300 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: him in the building and he works out for the 301 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: first time and you're like, oh, yeah, that doesn't that 302 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: doesn't look good because you can't have I don't have 303 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: a time. 304 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going through this list and I'm like 305 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: just just going through a mock draft, right, so from 306 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: like my last mock draft, I'm trying to find the 307 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: first player who had a full process, right that we 308 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: actually saw in an All Star game as well, So you. 309 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: Know who, you know who it is. It's Grey's Able. 310 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: Wow, Gray's Abel was my I had him going sixteen 311 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: in this in this mock craft, Mike Green is is 312 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: right there with him. But I don't think Mike Green, 313 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: I don't think he ran a forty. 314 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: Did he? 315 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: I don't think he ran a forty. He just did 316 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: the I think he just did the cone drills. So, 317 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: I mean, there are not many guys that had a 318 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: full process that you got all the way through. He 319 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: saw him in the fall, maybe saw in an All 320 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: Star game and you saw him do a full workout 321 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: where you saw everything. So I don't know, that's interesting. 322 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: It just and that used to. 323 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: Not be the case. 324 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: It used to be you'd have half the first round 325 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: were full process guys where you saw go kind of 326 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: through the whole thing. So it's just different. It's different 327 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: time you got to just there's nothing to complain about. 328 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: It is what it is, all right, Buck, let's say 329 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: quick break, we come back. I want to get into 330 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: some of these debates here after this all right sign 331 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: for Hot or Not, brought to you by Wasabi Hot 332 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: Cloud Storage. Buck top fives that you got out there. 333 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: I've had my struggles with some of these battles here. 334 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: Give me give me your top three battles that you've 335 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: had of of difficulty. They're trying to stack guys a 336 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: different pace. 337 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say, DJ, let's go to the pass 338 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: catcher thing, right, the wide receivers. And the reason the 339 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: struggle for me has has has kept me up at 340 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: night is really trying to figure out like, not only 341 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: how do we set the pecking order, but which guys 342 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: are truly wide receiver ones and which guys do we 343 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: need to project as wide receiver twos. So at the 344 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: top of my board, and we've had the conversation about 345 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: t mac McMillan, Matthew Golden, Amika Abuka, Luther Burden, and 346 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: right now I still have Isaiah Bond hanging at five. 347 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: But DJ, when I look at all of these guys, 348 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: right I can't say that any of them project in 349 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: terms of like their overall skill set as a true 350 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: number one. Maybe team matt or no one does that 351 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: like Matthew Golden. If you ask me in an ideal world, 352 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: what's his position? And as we talked about the basketball 353 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: team analogie, he's the number two. He's the stretch to field. 354 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: He's the other guy opposite the dominant pass catcher or 355 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: whatever I mean. Kay Buka plays in the slot. Luther 356 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Burden is more like the Deebo Samuel kind of do 357 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: everything run option routes. Give it to them on fly 358 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: sweeps and those things like DJ. If I am a 359 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: team in need of a true classic number one to 360 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: anchor the passing game, I can't confidently say that I'm 361 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: gonna get one in this draft. And this is the 362 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: first time in how many years, five, six, seven years 363 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: that there hasn't been that established guy or two that 364 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: we can say, Hey, if I need a wide receiver, 365 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: that's the guy that I'm gonna go get that. To me, 366 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: that's problematic and it's one of the reasons why in 367 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: my draft we may only see two guys on the board. Yeah. 368 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: I got a text from Kurt Warner who's going through 369 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: watching all these guys right now. And he was asking 370 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: me about Golden and he was like, and I infer 371 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: because I had Golden as my top receiver. And he said, 372 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: do you think really think Golden is a number one? 373 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: And I wrote back and I said, there are no 374 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: number ones in this draft. Like to me, they're all 375 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: twos and there are different flavors they're twos, but there 376 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: the draft is full of twos and threes. Like, that's 377 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 2: not what this that's not what you're getting here, you know. 378 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: You know, Marvin Harrison coming out last year was viewed 379 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: as a one. Neighbors viewed as a one, a dooonese. 380 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: For me definitely was viewed as a one. Like there 381 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: was there were guys and even like Ady Mitchell, like 382 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: if he were to hit his ceiling, would would be 383 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: a one. Obviously you saw in Jacksonville. That's a number 384 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: one all day long. So I mean, that's not this draft. 385 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: It's not this draft, man. It's you're trying to get 386 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: guys that are going to be solid players that you're 387 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 2: not going to have to replace, that are going to 388 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: be key guys for you, but they're not going to 389 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: be the We always talk about it from this standpoint 390 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: of like the game plan guys defensively where you're like, 391 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: oh crap, you better circle this dude. We got to 392 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 2: stop him. Like that's not this draft man, not at 393 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: the receiver position. 394 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: It's not. And you know it's funny because, like Kurt 395 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: Warner would have a strong take on that, particularly this year, 396 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: because there isn't the one guy that can do everything 397 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: that is expected of the number one receiver. And let's 398 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: be clear when we talk about the number one receiver, 399 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: and by my definition, I would say the number one 400 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: receiver is a guy that anchors the passing game. He 401 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: commands a double team and consistently beats the double team 402 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: because everyone in the building knows that the ball is 403 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: going to him on those critical doubts. He's a guy 404 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: that I would say, most of the ones that we've 405 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: seen that are number ones, they aren't the fastest. He's 406 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: the one that typically runs in the range of five 407 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: or four, five to four to five to five, but 408 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: he gets open and he's a consistent chain mover on 409 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: the offense. And when you look at the guys who 410 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: have the complete skill set, they are terrific route runners. 411 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: They have the patience and time and to get away, 412 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: they can get off of pressed. They can do all 413 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: those things. Stylistically, they can do it a few different ways, 414 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: whether it says a true route runner or a jump 415 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: on specialists. But they're the ones that when you show 416 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: up on Sundays, everyone knows they're getting the ball and 417 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: they continue to get the ball. And so I don't 418 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: see any of those unstoppable forces in this draft class. 419 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: And that is why DJ, if I'm a team in 420 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: need a one, I would probably pass in the first 421 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: round on a wide receiver and probably settle in the 422 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: second or third round, because honestly, I might get the 423 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: same thing that I would get in the first round 424 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: in the second and third round based on the lack 425 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: of dominant pass catchers in this draft class. 426 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you say the argument of Okay, I could 427 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: take Matthew Golden in the first, or I could take 428 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: Noel from Iowa State in the second. 429 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: You know, now I could. 430 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: Take Royals in the third. 431 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: You know, Like, however you want to do it? How 432 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: big is the difference? Like how big is the difference 433 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: on the grades? Dad? Like they're like, this is no 434 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: one day's grade out at a seven h or higher 435 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: where you're like, boom, I know for sure exactly what 436 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting. So if I'm not getting that supplying the man, well, 437 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: let me look elsewhere at another position where the value matches, 438 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: where we're adding the round and I'm gonna get what 439 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: the verbier says I should get with a first round player. Hey, 440 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm getting a day one starter. I'm getting an impact player. 441 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm getting someone that's gonna change the game for the 442 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: next four or five years. And we feel good about Like, 443 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to say that I can put 444 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: Dick on the verbiage oh a need of the wide receivers, 445 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: and I look, I'm wondered, and I'm probably jaded because 446 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: having watched t Mac from the time he's in high school. Yeah, 447 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: I can't confidently say that he's gonna come in and 448 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: change the game as a big wide receiver already outside. 449 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, well that's the that's the hottest one there. 450 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: By the way, we'll get to some more here in 451 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: just a second. But that was this week's Hot or 452 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: Not segment, brought to you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage, 453 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: store more and do more with your data. Try them 454 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: for free at Withsabi dot com. So if the wide 455 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: receiver group is your number one struggle there, buck, what's 456 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 2: what's number two? 457 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so number two when I'm gonna say this, and 458 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: I probably could have said this number one, i'mna be 459 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: honest with you, man, I'm really stuck with all these quarterbacks, right, 460 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: I'm stuck because the conversation and it always does this 461 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: around draft time, the escalation and the elevation of guys 462 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: like a Tyler Scheff, like the conversation like, oh, we're 463 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: just gonna get a guy like hey, let's move him up, 464 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: like we can pass early and get somebody late in 465 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: the second round. That's gonna help us that we can 466 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: find a way to do it. Well, here's the reality 467 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: that hasn't worked. Like it has. It hasn't worked. It 468 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: has Like Jalen Hurts is the only one of the 469 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: final eight. It was like a second round there was 470 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: a second round player that was in the tournament. Like 471 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: it rarely works. And we're talking about the hit rate 472 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: in the first round is being forty four percent, Well, 473 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: then what is it gonna be when we get out 474 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: of the first round When it comes to the hit rate, 475 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: So I'm having a tough time where and I know 476 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: some of this is influenced because on TV we always 477 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about the quarterbacks, but like DJ, we 478 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: talk about the tears and what's really gonna pop. Look, man, 479 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: to me, I think there's a significant drop up. Like, 480 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: and I know people like we saw Jackson Dart. You 481 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: saw Jackson Jackson Dart at the Senior Ball And I'm 482 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: actually a believer that Jackson Dart can be a starter. 483 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: But after that, man, I can't sit here and rubber 484 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: stamp anybody. But all the grays are bunched together, and 485 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: so I'm like, if you're gonna take one, you gotta 486 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: take one in the first round, just because that's those 487 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: are the ones that POP of these dudes can be like, well, 488 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: we're chasing. Because I think it's really important that everyone 489 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: views the standard at quarterback based on what's really playing. 490 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: And if we use the AFC as an example, And 491 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: the reason I say this is because both of us 492 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: also have side gigs with AFC teams. Well, when I 493 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: look at the AFC and the gauntlet that we have 494 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: to run to really win in the AFC, Pat Mahomes, 495 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: Josh Allen Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert. I mean 496 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: that's just the start, Like, that's just to give yourself 497 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: a chance to get into tournament. Bo Nix is now 498 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: in the mix. DJ. If you're not taking a quarterback 499 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: with superpowers, you're wasting your time. And it's easy for 500 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: me and you to talk about that because we're not 501 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: affiliated with a team. We don't have the desperation. But 502 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: that's the reality of the situation. If your quarterback can 503 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: not engage and win a shootout with the aforementioned names, 504 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: what are we doing. 505 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: I was having this conversation the other day with someone 506 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: about this exact topic, and my point was, you know, 507 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, there's not that much 508 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 2: difference between missing on greatness and hitting on average. You 509 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: know what, in three years, you're still looking for somebody new. Like, 510 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: so my whole thing is, like, I think I would 511 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: rather gamble on greatness. If I hit it, we're set, well, 512 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about this. We're going for 513 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: the next decade, like we're we're cooking with gas. And 514 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: guess what if I miss, I'm coming right back and 515 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna try and swing swing for a big, big 516 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: one again the next time. If I, if I correctly evaluate, 517 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: this guy is gonna be okay, like middle tier and 518 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: I hit on him, what's my reward for hitting on him? Well, 519 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: three years from now, we're gonna all sit in our 520 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 2: draft meetings and go guys like we can't get through 521 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: that gauntlet of quarterbacks you just talked about, Like our 522 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: team has to be perfect everywhere else to get through 523 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: the gauntlet of quarterbacks with an average, you know, B 524 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: level player like you. It's it's interesting convers it's a. 525 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: Interesting conversation, and it brings you to the thing. Right, 526 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: So then we talk about, all right, the tools and 527 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: the tools at succeed. So what are the superpowers that 528 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: the player brings to the table, because, like what we're 529 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: gambling on are the super powers? Because okay, let's talk 530 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: about all of those guys that we mentioned, with the 531 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: exception of Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is super proud. I 532 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: would say it was his processing the processing ability. Okay, Well, 533 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about everybody else just in the AFC, mahomes 534 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: superpower like just ridiculous arm talent, improvisational skills through the root. Okay, 535 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: But even then, Dj he was in a slam dump. 536 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: When we were talking about him in the draft class, 537 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: we weren't saying, oh man, this is the number one 538 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: over a guy. We got to put him up there, 539 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: take him away. Josh Allen MVP this year. Josh Allen 540 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: at Woman. I went and saw him twice. I saw 541 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: him at a potato ball and I thought he was talented, 542 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: but his accuracy was all over the place. He couldn't 543 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: pay the strikes on And I would say this, He 544 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: ran around at Wyoming, but he didn't display that he 545 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: could be this kind of runner at the NFL level. 546 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is elite talent, elite movement 547 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: skills or whatever. Lamar Jackson ridiculous runner at Louisville Co. 548 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: Can move around and make all those things. But what 549 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: did we say, Hey man, he wasn't an accurate thrower 550 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: outside the numbers. The ball fell off the table when 551 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: he had to throw outside, breaking routes that landed outside 552 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 1: the numbers. Two time MVP. All the trades wide receiver 553 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: likes and those things. I mean, DJ, we're talking about 554 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: the best of the best were the ones that we 555 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: physically looked at and said, you know what, we're gonna do. Guys, 556 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm a fool dark and I'll say that, Hey, it's 557 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: talent and tools are gonna give us a chance to 558 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: build an offense around what he can do really, really well. 559 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: And I think the teams that are, you know, considering 560 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: the second wave of quarterbacks, I think you know it's 561 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: been a minute now, but you know what you're hoping, 562 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: you're holding on hope is that it's your Derek Carr, 563 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: your Andy Dalton, you know, Russ, You've got cousins like that. 564 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: That's been a minute since teams were hitting the Jose 565 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 2: guys and that portion of the draft. 566 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: Everybody that you're talking about, Russell's in his thirteenth year. 567 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody is everybody that we're talking about, that's 568 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: a decade plus ago since. 569 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: Then, Hurts is probably like in terms of like the 570 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: day two guys, he's like the. 571 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: Last will it Hurts and it's Brock Purdy. They're the last, 572 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: the last of them that we can talk about being that. 573 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: And so when you think about let's just I mean, 574 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: let's just talk about a couple of years ago, we 575 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: got excited about hey man, Desmond Ritter Man, Maybe Desmond 576 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: Ritter can be the day to guy that man, Desmond 577 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: rid has been on this he's on his third team. Yeah, 578 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: he can't stick because when you put him out there, 579 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: you now, really and this is no disrespect or slight 580 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: to Desmond Ritter, like look, respect anyone who's been in 581 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: the league or whatever. But there have been teams and 582 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: coaches who've had him on the field and they quickly decided, 583 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: I can't compete with the best of the best with 584 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: him as my starting quarterback. H can he pick it 585 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: on his third team? He was a first round pick 586 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: in that draft. Same thing. There are teams that decided, 587 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: man like, if he's on the field, like he's good, 588 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: but he ain't good enough to help us close the 589 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: gap on the competitors. That's what we're talking about. And 590 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: so the interesting thing that we'll see in this draft, 591 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: how many decision makers and stand firm on those ideals 592 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: that we talk about. This is one thing for you 593 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: and I to say, non, be patient, you better get 594 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: the right one. It's another thing when the owner and 595 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: the fan base is clamoring for a franchise quarterback. 596 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a huge challenge. It is a huge challenge. 597 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: But I mean I get it. You got to take 598 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: your swings. My whole thing is, though, if you're just 599 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: gonna swing like man, go for it like there's no 600 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: you go up to the high dive. You don't just 601 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: jump in the pool like you gotta go up and 602 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: take your swing. Man, go for somebody that if they hit, 603 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: you hit big. 604 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: So now let's talk about that. So here's the funny thing. 605 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: So when you do that, though, nobody remembers why you 606 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: took the swing. Anthony Richardson, Right, So the ind and 607 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: fis goes fourth over a pick. They take a swing 608 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: on Anthony Richardson. Everyone loves it at the time, But 609 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: oh man, the tools are the talent in this and that, 610 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: and then he plays. And then when he plays, you 611 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: don't have the patience to live through the icky stuff 612 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: that you have to live through to hope that he 613 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 1: gets to the other side. So that's the conundrum that 614 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: decision makers find because when I do gamble on the 615 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: tools and the traits, man, I need to support of 616 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: everybody inside the building and outside the building to understand 617 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: what we're going through. 618 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: I mean, all those a lot of those guys you 619 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: mentioned like they were a little bit patient with Josh 620 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: and then he got it. You know, he figured it 621 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: out pretty quickly, but there was some some downtime early 622 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: on there. Mahomes didn't play right away. Love, who had 623 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: a ton of tools, didn't play right away. So it's 624 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: interesting how and Lamar they crafted the whole thing around, 625 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: starting with his legs and then the arm. You know, 626 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: he just he's getting better and better and better every 627 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: single year as a pastor. So I mean, it's you 628 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: gotta have a plan in place for those guys, and 629 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: you got to be able to live with some of the. 630 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: I think, I think the biggest thing that you're talking 631 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: about is everyone has to live with the struggles that 632 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: come along with it. And so like the guy, So 633 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: we talked about office wide receiver, quarterback, they're ones, and 634 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: in DJ, I say the final thing I'm rafting with, 635 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: I would say the cornerbacks. And normally with cornerbacks, it's 636 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: pretty easy for me to categorize them and where do 637 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: you put them and where do you pluck them? To me, 638 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of guys that kind 639 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: of deserve the same grade. They all are kind of 640 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: in that that second round category. So the Kentucky the 641 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Kentucky kid Harston. You know, people are really excited about him. 642 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: So now after the comment, people are talking about him 643 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: as a first rounder. But then I'm looking at the 644 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: tape and I'm like, Okay, I mean is he I 645 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: mean he could, but is he really a first rounder? 646 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: Then I think about all the other guys, like Revel 647 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: has been hurt, so we're dealing with the East Carolina 648 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: got coming off the A cl you got Thomas from 649 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: Florida State who's talented. But they all are still in 650 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: that Yeah, so like, yeah, they're in the thing, even Morrison, 651 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: Like they all in the same thing. And so yeah, 652 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm all right, like, yeah, I can get excited about 653 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: these guys in the second round, but I don't think 654 00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: they're game changes. 655 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: That's why Amos, That's why Amos Amos ended up being 656 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: kind of a winner through this whole thing, you know, 657 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: because he's one hundred and ninety five pounds. First of all, 658 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: he ran four four three, which is a great time 659 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: for him, which that was kind of the question. The 660 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: knock on him was the speed. So he's my forty 661 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 2: first player, but I do my next update. He'll probably 662 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: move up a few spots, but like Harrison's thirty nine, 663 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: Amos forty one, Thomas forty two, Morrison forty four. Like 664 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: I kind of have all those guys personally as all 665 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: second round players, you know, but there's teams with needs 666 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: at that position, screaming needs, and I in terms of 667 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: like the grades, there's guys I have in the twenties 668 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: grades not much different from the from those four corners 669 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: that I just mentioned. 670 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: They're in the forties. So if you need one, I 671 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: guess you just hate one. I guess that's and that's 672 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: where we're at. And you know, it's funny because then 673 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: we end up talking about the draft class overall what 674 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like in the conversation. I'm listening to my stuff. 675 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: When I'm listening to you, Yeah, good at that. Great. 676 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: And so if I'm a decision maker, hey man, I'm 677 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: butting I'm gonna take a few picks early and I 678 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: would trade some of my back end stuff to make 679 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: sure I get a handful of guys, three or four 680 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: guys that I feel great about it. And then I'm like, yeah, 681 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good on the rest. And we've seen that. 682 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: Because that's that's how you got to look at it. 683 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: You got to look at it. It's a doubles It's 684 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: a doubles draft. 685 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: Man. 686 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: Like you know, we talked about the quarterback position. If 687 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 2: you're gonna swing, swing for the fences. Yeah, But outside 688 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: of the quarterback position, the rest of these guys, I 689 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: like guys that come in clear packaging. I know, I'm 690 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: gonna get starters and uh and fill some holes and 691 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: then move on. But in terms of like high high 692 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: end impact, there's not a ton of that. It just isn't. 693 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: It isn't, and it's gonna continue to be one of 694 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: those things where we we have to. You know, it's 695 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: funny like cant get caught up into bright lights and 696 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: go on TV and say something like, oh, I mean 697 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: I feel great about this, and then you're like, you 698 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: got a quotable that's out there existing in the either 699 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: on a player that you don't feel as strong me 700 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: is about because as we're sitting here talking about Amanda, 701 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: class is good, not great. There's some great players, but 702 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: they're more good players than great players in this class. 703 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: And I think, look, it'd be interesting when we get 704 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: down to it because we always kind of talk about 705 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: the number of first round grades that you have on 706 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: people normally we talk about eighteen to twenty two first 707 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: round grades. I wonder, after we do all of it, 708 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: if we come away with like fifteen guys that really 709 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: care first round grades. Yeah, yeah, I know. 710 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: One thing that's interesting is it's the non premier positions. 711 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: I gave you two running backs, so I think I 712 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: feel really really strongly about. I give you two tight 713 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: ends I feel really strongly about, and I'll give you 714 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: two safeties I feel really strongly about. And at the 715 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: end of the day, if you come away with one 716 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 2: of those six guys in the first round, thank you. 717 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: I think that is I think that is a really 718 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: good approach. I think those guys that you talk about 719 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: gent Hampton and running back, you talk about Warren and 720 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: Loveland at tied end and starts and even worry, Yeah, 721 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: sign me up. And it's funny because those physicians are 722 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: non premium positions, and so so much of the value 723 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: that we talked about in the first round excluded those. 724 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: But now that we're talking to a coach not this year, 725 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: guys that we talked about red stars or can't miss. Yeah, 726 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: I can sign up for any of those six guys, 727 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: and I'm good with it. 728 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's where we are different draft. Anything else 729 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 2: you want to add before we get out of here, Buck. 730 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: No, that's it, man, because we're able to touch on 731 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: some of the things today. I'm talking about like seven 732 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: of the guys that a trust to them, don't worry 733 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: about the workouts, and we happen to it on now 734 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: like that starts. It's on that list, and so that's 735 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: what it is. DJ. I think this is one where, man, 736 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: the scouts have to be really convicted and you have 737 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: to avoid think tank because as the noise escalates as 738 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: we get close to the production of the draft, man, 739 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: you got to trust your instincts on which players are 740 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: really the players and kind of ignore all the other 741 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: stuff that's going to be banded. 742 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: About, no doubt. Well, this has been a fun one. 743 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: Hope you guys have enjoyed it. We'll be back next 744 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 2: week and we've got shoot ours pro day at the 745 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 2: end up next week, I believe, right, So we'll have Yeah, 746 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: we'll have that on NFL Networks, being a look out 747 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: for that, and lots of draft stuff coming your way 748 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: throughout podcast that we have here as well as the shows. 749 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: We've got an NFL network, So keep an eye out 750 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: for that. We'll see you next time, right here on 751 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: movie sticks.