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Speaker 1: You know, I hate to start off this podcast with

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Speaker 1: farm and turn loose. And it's just like it was

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00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: permission to build. So I mean, you know, it doesn't care.

426
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: It's the coon hunter, and and that that would have

427
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: been common, and I love it. I love it in

428
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: when I find people still like that. And the two

429
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: places that I hunt are like that. Those guys, I mean,

430
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: it's like they are just like, well, of course you're

431
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna hunt my farm. You're a coon hunter, aren't you.

432
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: I Mean, that's that's kind of the way they look

433
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: at it. Another thing that he fights out there too,

434
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: that he and I've talked about is because of that,

435
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: you can't go down to Clay's farm in turnal Leaves anymore.

436
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: All those folks that used to do that are now

437
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: going to where their state ground is their public hunting. Yeah,

438
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: we only have well in the county, we have to

439
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: two areas of public ground. We have a National Force

440
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: and then a state game land what we call it.

441
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: And the National Force has certain restrictions. You know, they've

442
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: got a lot of access roads. I do not understand why,

443
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: but when season comes in, they shut the gates on.

444
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: So even if you want to deer hunt it, you

445
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: gotta hockey in, you know, into the mountains miles and

446
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: so coon hunting is pain to do that. And what

447
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: few guys still coon hunt, You know, they're flogging to

448
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: those areas because I saw they got They don't have

449
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: any public or private land either. It's just like I don't.

450
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: So if you're the last guy to get there ten

451
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: miss after dark, you know, you don't have a creek

452
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: to turn a dog. So yeah, that makes sense. So

453
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: we're sitting here talking about coon hunting because we uh,

454
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: we're on a coon hunting excrapaganza this weekend and Nick

455
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: Nick's dog got hurt. We don't even know what happened

456
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: to it, but Nick hunting, he hunt it. We hunt

457
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: until four am last night, and then Nick drove his

458
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: dog to a to a vet two hours away. And

459
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: you just gotta you gotta leave, like right now to

460
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: go get the dog. Yeah. Yeah, Thursday nights when I

461
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: hunt him and uh, I guess he got a must

462
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 1: run two you think of beaver stop, Yeah, that's what

463
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: it looked like. And just basically him right in the chest.

464
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: And uh Friday when we came out, was walking him

465
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: saying he was swollen. And then uh, so I left

466
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: him in the kennel. Last night we went hunting, come

467
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: back and he's definitely got infection. So I had to

468
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: drive him to the vet and it's two hours away,

469
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: so they just notify me I gotta come get him. Well,

470
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: it was awesome having you on here. We were hoping

471
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: to have you the whole time. So anyway, you're the

472
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: first guest to exit the bare hunting congratulations. But it's

473
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: because you're we're in the we're in the heat of

474
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: it right here, and you gotta go get that dog.

475
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: So Nick, hey, thanks for thanks for being on and uh,

476
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: we hope the dog's okay. But and we're going hunting tonight,

477
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: so you gotta drive, go get the dog, and then

478
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: we're going hunting again. You'll be back in a a little bit. Okay,

479
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: all right, man, Brent, this is what I would like

480
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: to do. I would like to talk through just a

481
00:28:53,760 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: general conversation about how somebody could get started coon hunting. Okay,

482
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: so walk me through, Um, what what we're doing when

483
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: we're coon hunting? Like what Because because I shared with

484
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: Nick yesterday, people see like coon hunters posting stuff on

485
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: social media and they see these dogs barking at a tree.

486
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: I took a guy hunting one night and he was like, oh,

487
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: I thought these dogs were gonna be crazy all night long.

488
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: He had no He just thought that these were just

489
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: like wild dogs that just we're gonna be barking all

490
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: the time. It's gonna be and chaotic. And when he

491
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: saw my dogs were just like pets in the back

492
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: of my truck and the only time they bark like

493
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: that is when they're on a tree or without a trailer.

494
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: So point being, he didn't understand the aspects of what

495
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: we were doing. And uh so walk me through what

496
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: what you're actually doing on a coon from like the beginning,

497
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: like where we go, what time we go, what we do,

498
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: and then I'll interject and interrupt you. Certain times of

499
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: the year depend on the time dark we're going at night.

500
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a coon is conducted at night.

501
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: The time of year will depend on what time of

502
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: night that you go. Normally, when it's hotter, warmer weather,

503
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: you will go later because coon's just like people, you know,

504
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: if it's hot outside, they don't really feel like going

505
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: onto and doing a whole lot. So usually at the

506
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: optimum time when it's the coolest part of the night,

507
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: as you generally when you get the most activity from

508
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: coon's going you know, moving around coming down from their

509
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: dens out of the trees, and so they're sleeping during

510
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: the day and they're moving around at night as most

511
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: of the time. As a rule that that's that's the

512
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: way it goes, right, And so you're gonna go and

513
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to an area where you feel like,

514
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: you know there's where coons will be. So you need

515
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: to be familiar with with with what they need, what

516
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: their food sources are um. You know, habitat that is

517
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: suitable form. So you know, hardwood, hardwood timber in this

518
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: area would be UM. Any place, um, well there's water.

519
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, they like crawfish, they like frogs, tadpoles, but

520
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: they'll also eat they want to eat berries and grasshoppers

521
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: and insects and and their corn. You know, they're they're

522
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: hard on a farmer's corn patch. Um, those kind of

523
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: places where they can shop for the wide variety of

524
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: things that they use. They're they're an omnivore deluxe. That's

525
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they've been so biologically successful.

526
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: And let me distial it down to even like the

527
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: dummies guide to where to turn loose your coon dog,

528
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: if you don't know, is on a creek, on a lake,

529
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: on a body of water. Typically coons are gonna be

530
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I would say eight percent of the time, I'm turning

531
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: loose on some in some proximity of a body of water,

532
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: Like if I'm in the ozarks, I'm turning loose on

533
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: a pond or on a creek. If we're down here,

534
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: we're turning loose usually along you know, ox bow or

535
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: buyou or something and uh so a coon's one of

536
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: his primary ways of gathering food is in water, and

537
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: they they like to People say coons like to wash

538
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: their food. They actually don't like to wash their food,

539
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: but they like to get their hands wet when they

540
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: feel around on their food to try to it increases

541
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: their tactile sensory ability on their on their hands, which

542
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: I have read that a coon has more tactile sensory

543
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: receptors on his paws front paws than any other animal

544
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: in its class. You know, I'm not gonna say any

545
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: animal in the world because I don't know that, but

546
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: in North America. So they have this incredible ability to

547
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: to feel. And so the way the way that comes

548
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: in handy is at night, when they cannot see, they

549
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: use their hands as their eyes, basically putting that hand

550
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: under water. So water. So you've got us to where

551
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna go. You're gonna turn loose in a place

552
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: where you think there's coons, and pretty much anywhere there's woods,

553
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: there's gonna be coons. Wherever you live, there's there's There

554
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: are some places where there are not raccoons in the

555
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: lower forty eight, but anywhere in the East, and even

556
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: more so out west. I've got a friend now in

557
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: Montana that is starting his dog on coons, and I

558
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: mean they're finding coons out in the river bottoms in Montana,

559
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: but typically it would be in the you know, in

560
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: the eastern deciduous forest, you know, in that section of

561
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: the world is where they're gonna have coon's okay, So

562
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: there there, we've that's where we're gonna go. Okay, and

563
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: then what are we gonna do? And then we're not

564
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: talking about training a dog will go back to that,

565
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: but like, what are what are we gonna what? What

566
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: are you doing? Well, when we get there, you know,

567
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna hopefully be um, you know, kind of oriented

568
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: to to that piece of property or whether we're using

569
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: going it off a map, you know or Apple on

570
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: the phone, or a place that we're already familiar with,

571
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: maybe a place that were that we deer hunt or whatever,

572
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: or where we grew up, you know, public land, anything

573
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: someway that you know that's that's big enough expense where

574
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: your dog. You can turn a dog loose and let

575
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: it get out and get away from it and start

576
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: looking for the scent fresh scent of a coon, and

577
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this at night. You know, like like

578
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: I said, when they come down, they come down with

579
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: the trees and they start looking for something to eat.

580
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: You want to put that dog out there and hopefully

581
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna intersect his nose is gonna intersect with their

582
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: track that they've made, their scent that they laid down. Okay,

583
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: is this dog like a bird dog that's gonna stay

584
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: within sight of you? Or is he gonna just range

585
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: out and go hunt on its own? Well, you know

586
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: you've got mostly they're going to range out and and

587
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: hunt on their own. Ideally, you're gonna be able to

588
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: turn the dog loose when you listen for when he leaves,

589
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: he leaves silently, and when he runs across a coon

590
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: track the scent of a coon, he's gonna do what

591
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: they we call open. He's gonna open up. He's gonna

592
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: start barking, and he will bark hopefully consistently. Are enough

593
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: that that you can tell his general direction. You know,

594
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: now we have GPS s and and and and satellites

595
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: that where we can keep up with the exact track

596
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: of where our dog is and and in its relation

597
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: to the to the Google Earth view of of this

598
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: piece of property you own, So it's not as him

599
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: being his vocal on the track is not as important

600
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: as it was at one time. It's not a bark

601
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: to to run the quarry up a tree. To make

602
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: him go up a tree, it was a bark so

603
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: you could know where he was at. And so as

604
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: he's going down through the woods and he's barking and

605
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: he's letting you know where he's at, and then that

606
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: he is running a count and he's supposed to be

607
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: only barking if he's running the raccoon. That's right. Now, Hey,

608
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: you've just tapped into the very definition of a hound.

609
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: A hound is an animal as a dog that barks

610
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: on ground scent. I mean, that's that's inside the definition

611
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: of what a hound does. There are other dogs that

612
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: aren't hounds that do that, but that's that is like hound.

613
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: The luxe is he's smelling scent on the ground and

614
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: he barks. Okay, um, let me go back to how

615
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: the dogs hunt, because I don't think it's it's it's

616
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: always real clear with hunting dogs, like a duck dog

617
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: is sitting by your side and retrieving ducks. A bird

618
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: dog is gonna be very have a really good handle

619
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: on it, meaning that the owner can give that dog commands,

620
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: very specific commands, and that dog will obey, but that

621
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: dog is always staying pretty close to the owner, you know,

622
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: never kind of like leaving side of the owner. Typically

623
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: bird dog. These dogs were free casting them what you've

624
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: just described as free casting. And we want a dog

625
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: that is gonna have a lot of hunt in and

626
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: and go out and find the quarry. So I mean,

627
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: like you turn a dog loosen, you you just if

628
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: we're if we're hunting that way by free casting, we're

629
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: just gonna turn a dog loosen. We're gonna sit there.

630
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's been surprising to some new people

631
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: I've taken Brent as They're like, well, aren't we gonna

632
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: chase the dogs? Isn't that what? Isn't that what all?

633
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Uh uh Billy did on where the red friend grows, Yeah,

634
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: followed after him. Well Billy didn't have a garment from

635
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: the w hound supply, Buddy would bury. Um No, the

636
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: what you just said them being able to track a

637
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: dog by sound like used to you would have had

638
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: to follow the dogs pretty close to stay within hearing

639
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: of them. Anymore. We don't have to do that, so

640
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: we turned dogs loosen. We just kind of sit there

641
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: wait for him to go tree or wait for him

642
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: to strike a track. And so that's I just wanted

643
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: to clarify that. Okay, So walk me through the stages

644
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: of a track, okay, like like if they open or

645
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: they strike or whatever they do or what I would

646
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: call it strike or I mean, that would be typically

647
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: what I would say, But they're both the same thing.

648
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: So take me from there, all right, he strikes on

649
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: the track. You know, some dogs, after you get after

650
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: you know them, if you hunt them a while, you

651
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: can tell how hot the track is. And by that

652
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: I mean how fresh it is. You know, a dog

653
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: leaving a uh walking through a place thirty minutes before

654
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: our coon walking through a place thirty minutes before the

655
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: hound comes through, you know, that's that's pretty warm, pretty

656
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: warm track as opposed to one that came through two

657
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: hours ago. That would be what we'd call a cold track,

658
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: and he would be in in the way. The smoking

659
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: hot track would be Yeah, he's he was here, right,

660
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, the puddle or the mud that where that

661
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: coon step is, the waters filling into that track, you know,

662
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: So it's a hot track and the dogs are gonna

663
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: react different. You're gonna get a different reaction from him.

664
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: Where a hot track would be a more excited and

665
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: a more high tempo and you know, excitable bark as

666
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: as opposed to it would be less degrees of that

667
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: for the colder part of the track or a colder

668
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: style track. Yeah. Um, So the dog strikes a track

669
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: and he's smelling the scent of that coon on the ground,

670
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: and he's he very well maybe smelling like okay. Here,

671
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: here's the other thing I think I don't think people

672
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: understand is that what stage does a coon? No, it's

673
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: being pursued by a dog, okay, like that. I think

674
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: most of the time our dogs are striking the natural

675
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: travel patterns of that coon. That coon has been waiting

676
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: along that creek, leaving scent on the ground. Then our

677
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: dogs come in and they hear, they smell him and

678
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: bark and they start tracking that coon, and that coon

679
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: maybe three yards up the creek and goes, oh, I

680
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: hear a dog. Some percentage of coons are pretty much

681
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna probably climb up a tree right then some percentage

682
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: of coons are gonna run. But coons are not like

683
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: this endurance animal like a black bear would be coon.

684
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: The longest coon races I've ever seen would probably be

685
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: like half a mile or three quarters of a mile,

686
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: and and there have been much longer coon races than that.

687
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: That's just my personal experience, and that would be a

688
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: long one. Most of them are two hundred yards. And

689
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: the dog, the dog trails trails, trails, trails. He's barking

690
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: on the track, barking, barking, barking, and then when he

691
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: comes to the tree that the game has gone up,

692
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: he will do what we call a locate bark, which

693
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: is an elongated bark. Typically not not all hounds do it.

694
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: Some of them do it really beautiful. Some of them

695
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: have a quote unquote a million dollar locate. Others may

696
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: not have much of a locate or a changeover. But

697
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: so they're barking this irregular bark and then they they

698
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: hit the tree and it's almost like they're saying, he

699
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: went up the tree. I me and you were walking

700
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: along coon track, Brent, and we were like, there he is.

701
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: There's his track. There's his track. There's his track, there's

702
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: his track, and then we see his tracks go up

703
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: the tree. Would be like, I just think you went

704
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: up that tree, voice would change in octave. And then

705
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: once the dog is solidified on the the coon is

706
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: up that tree, then it begins to treat um. I

707
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: described to somebody the other day, Brent, about how the

708
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: reason that a tree dog is so special. Man, if

709
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: you just talk to somebody that had no context for

710
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: hunting dogs or tree dogs, you would say that dog

711
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: barks at a coon tree. When a coon goes up

712
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: a tree at barks, they would not know that that

713
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: was special. Do you see what I'm saying. I mean,

714
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: it's just like, it's a dog barking on a tree.

715
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: What's the big deal? And and we are like, oh, man,

716
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: that's a tree dog. Let's dissect this, Brent Reeves, listen

717
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: to this. A a tree dog is actually a beautiful,

718
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: a beautiful example of the human dog partnership. Perhaps the

719
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: greatest example of the human dog partnership, which dogs which

720
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: were are basically domesticated wolves. If we go back a

721
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: long time and humans partnership with dogs has been a

722
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: massive part of our success as a species. If we

723
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: go back to our hunter gatherer days, the human species

724
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: has been propped up on the back of dogs, domesticated dogs,

725
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: that protected us, that helped us hunt uh, that fed

726
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: humans at different times when time's got rough. It's kind

727
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: of like having a little backup plan if things plan

728
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: f um. But listen to this. A a natural canine

729
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: would never have the instinct to stay embark at a

730
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: tree while I was pursuing game because that game would

731
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: have escaped them. And the reason he is staying there

732
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: because he's waiting for me to come to him. And

733
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: that has been bred into them by selective breeding, and

734
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: it it shows a it's a partnership dynamic because humans

735
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: have a way to deal with critters that climb. It's

736
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: called bullets, it's called arrows, it's called rocks, it's called

737
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: opposable thumb, so we can climb that tree and shake

738
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: it out. A dog does not have that. So my

739
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: point being is a wolf, a coyote, a fox, they're

740
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: chasing stuff on the ground to try to catch it.

741
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: When it ran up a tree, they go try to

742
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: find something else that hadn't run up a tree yet.

743
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying? Selective breeding, So it

744
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: goes against everything natural for a dog to want to

745
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: stay at a tree and bark. That's why tree dogs special. Yeah,

746
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a it's the it's the whole

747
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: volume of that partnership and and and what it means

748
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: to somebody that can really appreciate it is I'm providing

749
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: that dog's healthcare, I'm feeding him, I give him a

750
00:44:54,280 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: place to stay, dental absolutely, and it's and he's pretty

751
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: expensive for the one that I've got. So and Nick

752
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: just went and no telling how much she's spent one

753
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: for Nick Gilliland's dog that he just went to pick

754
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: up exactly. So I mean, and and that dog is

755
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: also a very important part of my family. You know,

756
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: my wife and my little girl are It's a daily

757
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: ritual when my wife comes home, she picks Bailey up

758
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: from school, which wiks. She goes outside, sets on the

759
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: on the back patio and tells my coon dog that

760
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: he does not have to go hunt and if he

761
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: don't want to, he can stay right here. Your wife. Yeah,

762
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: this is Alexei. This is Alexis. Yeah, my wife. And

763
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: uh and because Bailey goes with me, she likes to

764
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: coon hunt. And but it's you know, he's just he's

765
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: a part of the family. And it's that that it

766
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: really makes it. I mean, it's humorous, but it makes

767
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: it that much more special when he does. You know,

768
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: he's just a puppy and he's learning, so it just

769
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: makes it that much more special when he holds up

770
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: his end of the deal. You know, I bought him

771
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: as a as a coon dog. It turned out he

772
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: became a member of our family and through his personality,

773
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: but it makes it that much more special what you're

774
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: talking about when he does what he's had to do,

775
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: what his genetic code you know, tells for him to do,

776
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: and it is it's hard for somebody to understand that's

777
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: not had a dog in the hunt quote unquote. I

778
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: mean there's something like people that are dog people understand it,

779
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: and uh and and nothing against people that wouldn't be

780
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: dog people. But point being, there is something that triggers

781
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: inside of us that is beyond rational explanation. When we

782
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: partner with an animal to acquire meat for our family,

783
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: to acquire hides for our family, to acquire wildlife related commodities.

784
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like it's like it's almost as

785
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: elemental as a humans attraction to fire. I mean, and

786
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: it's the human attraction to fire goes beyond rational explanation

787
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: of oh I can warm my hands. I mean that

788
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: is something that has has from the very beginning been

789
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: the thing that has caused us to be successful as

790
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: a species as well. Yeah, absolutely, we have we have. Uh.

791
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: I was reading in a book the other day Brint

792
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: about this is slightly a rabbit trail. But I'm going

793
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: back to this kind of like uh. And when I

794
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: when I use the term evolutionary, I'm not. I'm not

795
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: talking about there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot

796
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: of good things inside of evolution. They are just science. Okay,

797
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: sometimes we've been trained to think that, you know. Anyway,

798
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of evolutionary stuff that goes with fire,

799
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: with goes I read uh uh And apart a high

800
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: apartment that has a good stuff or where we put

801
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: our trophy homes is up on big hills. Wherever you live,

802
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: there's probably like high dollar homes up high. It's that

803
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: stems from our days when humans were in grasslands and

804
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: to have any sort of elevation was biological advantage. Like

805
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: we we developed this this sense inside of our genes

806
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: are instincts that like to be high is better than

807
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: to be low, because when we're high we can see anyway,

808
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying that a tree dog triggers these same things

809
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: because what I do is absolutely irrational. Brand It makes

810
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: no sense why I drove three and a half hours

811
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: to come to this swamp to turn loose my dogs.

812
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: I love it. Oh my gosh. The mosquitoes know it's

813
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: And the whole point of this whole conversation is is

814
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: that coon hunting may not be get something that's in

815
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: people's wheelhouse, but we're gonna put it there as an

816
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: option for people to to give him an access point.

817
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: And that's what this whole conversation is about, Okay. And

818
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: and there's uh to dive into the like practical aspects

819
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: of like how could you become a coon hunter? I mean,

820
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about getting a dog? Where where could people?

821
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: What kind of dogs are people using for coon hunting?

822
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: Number one brand, Well, probably the most popular dog, and

823
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tree and walker's. There's probably there's

824
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: more of those used than than than anyone are there

825
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: any other type. But you've got tree and walkers, and

826
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: you've got red bones, um blue ticks, black and tans,

827
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: plot dogs. There's leopard dogs that I'm not very familiar

828
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: with those U English English dogs, um dogs. I think

829
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: there are five or six U k C registered what

830
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: they call coonhounds, and it's the ones you just named.

831
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: People also used for coon hunting, sometimes curd dogs, but

832
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: most of it is going to be those main breeds

833
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: of hounds that you just described. So if you have

834
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: a lab, it's probably not gonna make a coon dog.

835
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: People ask me stuff like that, well I've got a

836
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: I've got a blue healer. You think I could turn

837
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: it into this? And it's like, well, probably not right.

838
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: And it doesn't saying that they wouldn't run one up

839
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: a tree. But as far as as having a dog

840
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: that that if you're looking for a coon dog, that

841
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: the ones that we just described there that are that's

842
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: the area that you want to start picking from. And

843
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a lot of through you know,

844
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: social media and and and the internet and other sources

845
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: finding dogs are it's pretty easy, very easy, readily available,

846
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: finding the right I bet we could right now on

847
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: our phone, bright, I bet we could do a challenge.

848
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: Could we in ten minutes find a registered litter of

849
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: coon hounds within two hours? Right here for sale? Oh gosh, yeah,

850
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: and we we could. That would be a good challenge.

851
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: We could do it. The point is there, these dogs

852
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: are readily available. Yeah, they're They're everywhere for sure. And

853
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: is it's um in great abundance, you know. And you've

854
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: got different different styles. All the dogs that are bred

855
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: now are are coming from the competition world of the

856
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: the characteristics. And he just found the litter of pups. Carson.

857
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: We've got our buddy Carson over here and he just

858
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: picked up his phone. You find a letter, Carson. Let

859
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: me see, Okay, let me see. All right, So this

860
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: is uh, this is this was posted yesterday at twelve thirty.

861
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: This guy's got some tree and walker puppies. Where is

862
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: this at? Do you know it's in Arkansas? Yep. Well

863
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: there's not a place in our that you can't go

864
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: be Yeah, yeah, because Carson id is good for the wind.

865
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: So okay, so you you got your dog. And again

866
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: we're just breaking this down bare bones, um, how you

867
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: train a dog? Brow And again like we're just that

868
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: you could have their books written about training coon dogs.

869
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about tons of tons of literature, tons

870
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: of videos, the best thing in the world to do.

871
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: Break it down as simple as you can take a

872
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: dog that's bread two tree coons to a place where

873
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: there are coons and turn him loose and you and

874
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: see what he does. Now, you want to you want

875
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: to be able to control that dog. You know, I started.

876
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: I got my dog when he was six months old,

877
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: and the first thing we did was bond as friends

878
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: and show him I'm the boss. He needs to do

879
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: what I tell him to do. That's the way you

880
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: did with me too, that you and you've never done it,

881
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: iss never took. So I wanted to up the ampage

882
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: on your collar the next time, the next time we

883
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: go train. Most dogs are started when they're about ten

884
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: to twelve months old. Nine nine to twelve months old

885
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: is the window when you're gonna start kind of hunting

886
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: the dog. Yeah, and you're and you're talking about a

887
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: process now and an investment not only in money, but

888
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: in time, because there there are some of the greatest

889
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: dogs in the world never started a tree and until

890
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: they were two years old or older. So I mean,

891
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: you're that's that's a lot of trips in the woods

892
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: where nothing happened to the way you wanted it to happen.

893
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: And we talked about it um a lot Nick and

894
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: I do on our podcast and with Steve Fielder, is

895
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: that the the best thing that you can have is

896
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: patients when you're training one of these dogs. And so

897
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big investment. Uh and if if

898
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: you're wanting to do it yourself, if I'm a puppy

899
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: up to the finished, you know, it's a project and

900
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a long grind. Now the thing to do.

901
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: Somebody's wanting to get into it right away. You know,

902
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: they're started dogs. You can buy started dog and to

903
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: buy a dog that someone else has already put the

904
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: time in getting that dog started where he's not where

905
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: he's he's hunting for coons when he leaves you, and

906
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: he's doing what what you want him to do when

907
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: you tell him to. He's not running deer, he's not

908
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: running pot tree and possums or bobcats or or anything

909
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: bats or other than a coon. And uh, but you

910
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: know those obviously they are going to be more expensive. Well,

911
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: the so when you're talking about training a dog, you

912
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: have this dog that has a natural instinct to tree coon,

913
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: that dog also would have the same natural instinct to

914
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: run a deer or so a lot of people don't

915
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: understand that is that just because you have a dog

916
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: that's bread to be a a coon dog to rae

917
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: coon's does not mean that he's not gonna have that

918
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: a similar desire to chase other games. So basically you're

919
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: you're trying to whittle them away from off game. And

920
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: so you you reward them for good behavior, and then

921
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: you discipline them. And by discipline that could mean many

922
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: many things, usually very light, which would be like no

923
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: reward for bad behavior, reward for good behavior, zero award,

924
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: or negative reward for bad behavior. And over the course

925
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: of a period of time, like my scooter dog, he's

926
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: ten months old. Over the last month, I think I'm

927
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: seventy percent towards turning him on just coon like. He'll

928
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: still run whatever, but he has learned that there is

929
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: a big reward for tree and a coon. He because

930
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: when he gets the tree, he sees my excitement, my

931
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: praise of him. And when shoot a coon down, he

932
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: gets to see a coon. When he runs a deer,

933
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: he gets nothing. The deer runs away from him, he

934
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: gets tired, he gets no reward for me. He doesn't

935
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: get the smell at deer's fur. And eventually as he's older,

936
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: I might find other ways to discipline him running a deer,

937
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: but he usually it's positive praise. It's the positive that

938
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: makes him go, man, why would I want to run anything?

939
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: But and so just over time, it's almost like a miracle.

940
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: Just your dog's pretty straight. They're inherent, Uh desire is

941
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: to please you, you know. And I've always said that

942
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: a dog is only if a dog is everything is equal,

943
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: and you've got a well bred dog that knows what

944
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do, or he has the desire to

945
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: do what what he's bred to do. The limiting factor

946
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: for that dog is the man that's handling him, or

947
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: the ladier whoever is the isn't handling that dog. Because

948
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: if you cannot explain or communicate to that dog what

949
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: you want him to do, then it's not his fault,

950
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: it's yours. So and that has always been something that

951
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: that when I'm correcting a dog or praising a dog,

952
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: is he understanding what I'm wanting him to do? And

953
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: if if when he's treating, when he treats a coon

954
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: and we see the coon and he knows the coon's there,

955
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: whether I knock it out to him or not, and

956
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: I love him up and I praise him, and he

957
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's the best boy ever. And we were

958
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: doing a little I'm petting him and praising and rubbing

959
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: him and everything there at the tree, and then we leave.

960
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell them his demeanor. He's ready.

961
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: I want I want to experience that again. I want

962
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: to do that again. Or if he goes somewhere we

963
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: can't find the tree, or we we he treats and

964
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: we can't find the coon, and it's uh, maybe it's slick.

965
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: What's called a slick tree where you can look on

966
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: every limb and there's not a there's not a dog.

967
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: He missed him, you know, he missed it. He treate,

968
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: But the coon wasn't. You just go up there and

969
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: you put your lead on him and you drag him

970
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: and you pull him away, you walk away and you

971
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: turn and loose again. And in that experience, he maybe

972
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: the scent was not. For whatever reason, he's got to

973
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: do a little deductive reasoning that what happened just then

974
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: was not as fun as when we saw the coon

975
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: and the coon got knocked out, or I was praised

976
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: on the on the previous and it's repetition. It's the

977
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: same thing every time, every time you go. And it's

978
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: not it doesn't happen in a month, like I said,

979
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: it could be years, you know, a year and a half,

980
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: two years. However, wouldn't you say you typically expect to

981
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: see I don't want to paint the picture too negative,

982
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: even though what you're not negative but too extreme. I mean,

983
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: you like, your dog is a year old and he's

984
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: already treating coon's right, so now to get a finished dog,

985
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that two year plus. But I mean

986
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: like you're already having a ton of fun and excitement

987
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: with a year old dog that's tree tree and coon's

988
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: on his own. Well, so I don't want to sound like,

989
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's two years old for your doing anything,

990
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: and it's all what what you watch, how you look

991
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: at it. You know, every day every time that I go,

992
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't tree a coon every time I take him,

993
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, but if he does what I tell him,

994
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: if he hunts like I want him to hunt, if

995
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: he because you know, I've got no control over whether

996
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: or not coons are coming down and crawling around on

997
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: the ground. I can't control that part. The only thing

998
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: I can do is try to prepare my dog the

999
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: best I can, take him to the place where I

1000
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: think they are at the time they are, and turn

1001
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: them loose. But if if that dog does what I

1002
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: want him to do when I turn him loose, that's

1003
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: a it's a positive thing, you know. And when I

1004
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: get him back at the end of the night, and

1005
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: I know he's been out there and he's tried, and

1006
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: he hadn't run deer, and he hadn't treated uposs um,

1007
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: and you know, he he hadn't disobeyed me when and

1008
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 1: when I called him back, maybe he was getting close

1009
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: to a road, you know, and I I give him

1010
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: a tone on the collar, um, and or I called

1011
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: him verbally, you know, and and and he come back

1012
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: to me. You know that those are all positive, positive things.

1013
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: And when he gets back to me at the end

1014
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: of the night, I'm gonna love on him and pet

1015
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: him and praise him, you know, just like I would

1016
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: if he had treated coon. Because that progression every day

1017
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: is just your building the foundation, putting all that stuff,

1018
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: building that base layer of that. You know, I'm the

1019
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: dogs thinking, I'm if I do these things, I get

1020
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: the reward, you know. And then the the the gravy

1021
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: on that biscuit is when he's treeing coons by consistently

1022
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: love the metaphor brant, that's it man on that biscuit.

1023
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: The hunt is the the other thing that people. I mean,

1024
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: the main way that we would train a dog to

1025
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: brand is about taking it with an older dog. And

1026
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: I can't minimize that in anyway. Like the way I'm

1027
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: training my dog Scooter right now is taking her with

1028
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: a broke, finished coon dog. And so that dog begins

1029
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: to the young dog begins to hunt with the old dog,

1030
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: The old dog trees, the young dog comes in and

1031
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, what's he doing? And and over time

1032
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: they kind of just merge into doing what a good

1033
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: dog is gonna do, just like they would merge into

1034
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: doing what a bad dog was doing too. If you

1035
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: had a trashy dog does running deer, your pub will

1036
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: start running deer. So there's the probably the hardest limiting

1037
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: factor for somebody that's never coon hunting, that doesn't have

1038
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: a connection to coon hunting is how are they gonna

1039
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: find somebody? And and that's just one of those, uh

1040
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: social challenges that somebody's gonna have to figure out. You

1041
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: know all over the country, you know, I was in.

1042
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: I was very fortunate when after I bought my dog,

1043
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: I'd had him maybe three or four weeks, and I'm

1044
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: outside of my driveway cleaning out my my dog box

1045
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: and a man that I'd never met in my life,

1046
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: Rex White, and drove up in my driveway and said, Hey,

1047
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: what you're gonna think? He said. The first thing he

1048
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: said to me is you're gonna think I'm crazy. Well,

1049
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was crazy then, but I do

1050
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: now it's confirmed. But he said, there's two kinds of

1051
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: people that live around here where we live, and that

1052
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: is duck hunters and coon hunters. What kind of dog

1053
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: you putting in this box? I said, the coon dog.

1054
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: And from that conversation right there, we have become really

1055
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: good for hims. It turns out, you know, he's got

1056
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: an older dog, just what you're talking about, an eight

1057
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: year old dogs. All you had to do is have

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01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: a dog box in the back of your and that's

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01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: all it took. And I was fortunate enough. And that

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01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: just shows you how willing people are. I mean, they're

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: out there, but it's not I say that statement to

1062
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: say that it's not impossible to do it by yourself.

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's just gonna be harder. And and Rex

1064
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: not only is there, his dog is not only helping

1065
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: my dog, he's helping me. You know, he's helping me

1066
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: read that dog and telling me through his experience. This

1067
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: guy's got tons. He's been hunting forever. Hey, when I

1068
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: when I started training mules, I didn't know much of anything.

1069
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: And I watched YouTube videos learn how to train a mule. Okay,

1070
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: that could only take me so far. And my friend

1071
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: Darren Wiles, who's Darren's probably in his sixties, he was

1072
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: coaching me through, just like over the phone, different things

1073
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: about my mule. I'd tell him what was happening. He'd

1074
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: tell me this, and yad. We went back and forth. Well,

1075
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: one day Darren said, hey, i'm I want to come

1076
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: over and I'll help you work your mule. I watched

1077
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: Darren Wiles for five minutes in that round pen with

1078
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: my mule, and bam, I got it. Really, it wasn't

1079
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: what he taught. It wasn't like do this and do that.

1080
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a technique. But I watched his demeanor

1081
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: with that animal. I watched how he demanded its respect

1082
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: I watched his posture and I was like, oh, that's training.

1083
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: I get it. And that translated a whole bunch of stuff.

1084
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: I say that to say I have been with a

1085
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: houndsman before that. The same experience happened, like I'd just

1086
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: been turning dogs loose, Like when I in phase one

1087
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: of Clay Newcomes coon hunting career from age fourteen to

1088
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: age twenty one, I was just taking coon dogs quote

1089
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: unquote and just turn them loose and they'd go trick coon.

1090
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: I'd go shoot it out, and we just did that

1091
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: as much as we could. I never had great dogs.

1092
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: When when I was an adult and got back into

1093
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: coon hunting, I went with Danny Drummond, my friend Danny

1094
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: Drummond in Northwest Arkansas, and uh, just a couple of

1095
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: things he told me to do, and it wouldn't have

1096
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: even been anything specific. It was Fern when I was

1097
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: training Fern, and Fern was running something that the old

1098
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: dog that he had wouldn't run. And I didn't know

1099
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: if I should go discipline Fern because we knew it

1100
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: was off game. And he said, I'll just let her

1101
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: run and I said really, and he said, Jesus, a

1102
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: pup she's eight months old. Just let her run, and

1103
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: you know that that trash track, as we'd call it,

1104
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: fizzled out, and Fern came back and went and treat

1105
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: a coon with the old dog. Eventually, you know, like

1106
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: the old dog treat. And Fern was there and I learned, Okay,

1107
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to demand perfection. This is kind of

1108
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: a long term thing. And he was like, I like

1109
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: it that your dog was running anything, and I said, oh,

1110
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: really okay. And then the next time we went, Fern

1111
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: absolutely burned the hair for a deer and he said,

1112
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: I like what your dog just did. And I said

1113
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: really and he said, man, she ran that deer like

1114
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: she meant it. And I said, okay, got it like

1115
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: it like he he liked the desire, and he said,

1116
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: you can. You can work with that her running a deer.

1117
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: Later once she starts treeing coons and you start praising

1118
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: her for that, and she knows that life is good

1119
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: when you tree coons. And point being going with somebody

1120
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: can mean a lot. You can learn a lot. The

1121
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: exact same lesson. I got that exact same lesson from Rex.

1122
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: He told me. He said, look, he said, the hardest

1123
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: thing to do to teach a dog is to go hunt,

1124
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: he said. If you got one that'll go out there

1125
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: and do that, you're you're way ahead of the game already, said.

1126
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: If he's chasing deer, it don't matter what he's doing.

1127
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: If he is chasing another animal out there, regardless of

1128
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: what what you want to do, you can teach him

1129
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: not to do that and stick to coons, he said.

1130
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: But if he's running running game out there, deer or whatever,

1131
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: he said, you know you've got something. You've got a

1132
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 1: place to start. So you're already ahead of the game.

1133
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: So you know, I think the main the main thing

1134
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: we wanted to do was introduce people to the idea

1135
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: that they could be a coon hunter, the idea that

1136
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: this is a family sport, the idea that the the

1137
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: game regulations are liberal. Anywhere you want a coon hunt,

1138
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: the game rags are pretty liberal. I mean like high

1139
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: bag limits, long seasons. Um. Your challenges are gonna be

1140
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: finding a place to hunt. But if you're in a

1141
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: place a lot of public ground, you can probably do

1142
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: pretty good. I pretty much have three farms that I

1143
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: hunt on private ground for coon and that has serviced

1144
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: me well for years. Three farms, one of them is

1145
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: three hundred acres, one of them six hundred acres, and

1146
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: one of them two acres. Okay, that gives you an

1147
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: idea the size farms that I'm hunting, and uh, all

1148
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: the those do me good. Plus my public land and

1149
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: like come down here for a weekend hunt with you

1150
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: guys on some of this big these big tracks of

1151
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: land down here. Um so the way, so this is

1152
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: not meant to be like the full resource of off

1153
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: of coon hunting, but you guys have that. You have

1154
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: a podcast brandts all about coon hunting. Tell me about

1155
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: that just a little bit. Nick Gilla Land and Steve

1156
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: Fielder and I uh do a podcast called The night

1157
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: Life Nation and it's all coon dogs, coon hunting, anything

1158
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: related to it. Competition. Steve is a oh gosh, I

1159
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: would almost said world renowned, but yeah, I don't know

1160
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: that that wouldn't your nationally renowned absolutely because there's not

1161
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: much nobody else cares about coon's far and as far

1162
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: as I know, Steve is the only guy that has

1163
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: ran all the coon hunting registries a k C, p

1164
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: k C in the U k C that has worked

1165
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 1: all three places, and just a vault of information about

1166
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:12,480
Speaker 1: competition hunting and and the lineage of legacy of historically

1167
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: great dogs and and good coon hunters, and just a

1168
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: wealth of information. He handles all that stuff and uh

1169
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: and and Nick is an accomplished a dog trainer and

1170
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: and hunter from North Carolina. He's just a good guy.

1171
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 1: He's just a good guy man and he loves to hunt.

1172
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: His mission. He's always talking about how can we help

1173
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: you know, the folks that are listening, and that's that's

1174
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: why we do. He came up with the phrase of

1175
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, we want to do something that's that's educational,

1176
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: entertaining and help people evolve, you know, getting better in

1177
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: this in this business of of coon in the sport

1178
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: of it. And he's not a competition hunter. And you know,

1179
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: I've never been to a competition hunt. I look forward

1180
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: to going some you know and trying it out. But

1181
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: the joy of just having a dog and and going

1182
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: out and doing you know, hunting, pleasure hunting is what

1183
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: what drives us. And we in Nixon, North Carolina, Steves

1184
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: in in Florida, and I'm in Arkansas. And we put

1185
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: out this weekly show where we just put podcast Night

1186
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: Live Nation podcast where we just sat around and we

1187
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,839
Speaker 1: talked about it, and we talked about uh, training tips

1188
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: and the progression of our dogs. We've all got three

1189
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: pretty young dogs that that we're training, and people have

1190
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: shown a lot of interest and following how how their

1191
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: progression is and the the techniques and stuff that we

1192
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: use to to make them better and and we it's

1193
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: just a fun family affair. Um. We usually tell a

1194
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: story at the end of the other podcast of a

1195
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: personal experience someone had, humorous or or otherwise. That is,

1196
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: you've never had anything funny happen? Dude, we got to

1197
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: close this podcast with me talking about my story. I

1198
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: think you know what story I'm talking about. God Bless America. No, no,

1199
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm not closed. I'm just I just that's what I

1200
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: want to when when we do, we will cue the eagle,

1201
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: the eagle cry. Yeah. Anyway, it's it's it's yeah. So

1202
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: check out night Life Nation podcast if you have any

1203
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: interest in this kind of stuff, because you know, I

1204
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: think Brent, this maybe our hundredth podcast, maybe this one

1205
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: we're doing right now. And we've talked about coon hunting

1206
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: just a handful of times, So I mean, my are

1207
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: we're not trying to educate the world on coon hunting.

1208
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: You guys are and so uh if you if you

1209
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: have interest in becoming a coon hunter, this is these

1210
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: guys have a great resource. And that's just a palatable,

1211
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,440
Speaker 1: family oriented podcast, a lot of fun, a lot of information.

1212
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: You listen to or three podcasts and you get the

1213
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 1: lingo of coon hunting. You know. Part of entry buried

1214
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: entry sometimes is people just not understanding stuff. Like we

1215
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: say the word treat, well, they don't know what treat is.

1216
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 1: You say a hot track, they don't know what a

1217
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: hot track is. You say a walker, they don't know

1218
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: what a walker. Yeah, and we say this or that. Yeah.

1219
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: We actually did like three episodes where we did three

1220
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: a segment in three episodes of going through terminology of

1221
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: what they were, you know, competition terminology and just regular

1222
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: coon hunting terminology. So and we got in a lot

1223
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: of response came back that you know, that was people

1224
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: if people found it really helpful and it's it just

1225
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: inspires us to do more. Yeah, it's it's great. It's

1226
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yeah. So yeah, that's uh, I've

1227
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 1: been enjoying it. Um. Hey, two things I want to

1228
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: end with. I want to end with the story and

1229
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna build this story up because it was just incredible. Um. Secondly,

1230
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: always always want I feel this need deep in my bones.

1231
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: Two talk about why we do what we do, and

1232
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: we've already talked about part of the conservation aspect of

1233
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: coon hunting. Um Historically, though, did you know I'm gonna

1234
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: tee you up for a question. I'm gonna tee you

1235
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: right up. What is the most economically important fur burying

1236
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: animal of all time for North America? A fever bright

1237
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:45,759
Speaker 1: see American bison, d coyotes? Okay, what is your answer?

1238
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: And the to repeat the question the most economically like

1239
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: which one has the most gross economic sales of all

1240
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: time in North America going back to the sevent hundreds

1241
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: when the French came over and start to trapping for trapping.

1242
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: Ready go teed um right up, you're exactly right, that's right.

1243
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: I would have thought beaver because you hear about the

1244
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: high prices that beaver bought in the West. Was the

1245
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: European expansion West was fueled by the beaver. But the

1246
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: beaver fur trade Brent Reeves was pretty much from about

1247
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: the late seventeen hundreds to about the eighteen thirties and

1248
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: in about fifty years they trapped those suckers out and

1249
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: then from then on it was raccoon pelts for a

1250
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: hundred years, from eighteen thirty to about nineteen forty, well

1251
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years to the nineteen eighties. From like

1252
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,480
Speaker 1: the eighteen thirties to the nineteen eighties, coon hides dominated

1253
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: the world for markets. And so the reason that this

1254
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: is important information is that we are we're coon hunting

1255
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: for hides. People do eat raccoons, they do, we do,

1256
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: but it is not the primary reason that we hunt coons.

1257
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: We're hide hunting, and that is that fits inside the

1258
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: North American Mile of Wildlife conservation because there's multiple things

1259
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: that we're tapping into. We're tapping into an overabundance of

1260
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: a natural resource, which is scientifically. I read that in

1261
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: a research paper that uh, Mike Chamberlain sent me, Brent,

1262
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,839
Speaker 1: because I've always said that, I've always said that coons

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01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: are over the population of coons currently is unnatural for

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: recorded history. That is true, absolutely, So we are we

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01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: are tapping into from a like a depredation standpoint, we're

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: trying to lower coon numbers. So that's number one, But

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01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: then number two for high fur prizes aren't worth that

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01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: much anymore, but there's still, uh, there's still traditional all

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: usage patterns of coon hides. Like what I'm doing these

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01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: days is all the coons that we take, especially during

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01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: the prime winter months, I'm getting those hides tanned and

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01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,480
Speaker 1: giving away as gifts and oh, it's a it's incredible.

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01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the coolest thing in the world is going

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: to be to have a buddy of yours that's a

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01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: coon hunter and you get a full tan coon pelt

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: for Christmas. For real. They're beautiful. Yeah, and so the

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: the hides and and when we've talked about eating them

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01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: and they there it's great meat um, and we've we've

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01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: had it. A lot of people use it, but it's

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01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: not the main reason we're doing it. There's a lot

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01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: of animals that it is the main reason. I think

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01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: sometimes people don't understand that or they might have a

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01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: hard time with it. But don't You don't have to

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01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: have a hard time with it, because this fits perfectly

1285
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:54,480
Speaker 1: inside North American Mali Wildlife Conservation that we are removing

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01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: meso predators off the landscape, but we're also utilizing it

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01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: come mod at the off that animal. So coon hunters man,

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01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: that's what we are, Okay, glad to be one story.

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01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: I was coming here, Brent, yesterday, I was. I drove

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01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: three and a half hours to get down here from

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01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about our coon weekend. Kolbe has

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01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: got to put in some background patriotic music. Yeah yeah,

1293
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, just a music bad Kobe a little yeah yeah. All.

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: I hear there, it goes there, it goes it sounds good.

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01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: Good job, do you hear it? Now? That's it. I

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: was coming here, and I was in downtown Fayette Bulle, Arkansas.

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01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: And now most of you never been there and probably

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: will never go there, But imagine in your city the

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: most one of the most busy intersections in your city.

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: And that was on a major interstate that runs through

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01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: this very populated area of northwest Arkansas. I got off

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01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: on an exit to go wash my truck because I

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01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: didn't want to come down here with a dirty truck.

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01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: There's a construction crew working like right off the exit ramp.

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01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: So there's just people everywhere. Cars almost not bumper to bumper,

1306
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: but you know, just people everywhere. I see a bald eagle,

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:19,839
Speaker 1: a bald eagle the size of a Cessna airplane. Swoop

1308
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: down out of a bluebird sky and pick up a

1309
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: freshly road kill fox squirrel. Now why there was a

1310
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: fox squirrel on the Interstate off ramp that I don't know,

1311
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: but it was a big, glowing orange fox squirrel. He

1312
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: swoops down right in front of my truck, picks up

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01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: the fox squirrel, and then just flies off like a boss.

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01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: Like the rockets are red glare. There was a guy

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01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: right behind me driving a Toyota Tacoma. Sometimes when you're

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: in like big cities and you see somebody that's driving,

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01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: they give some indication of you have like a little

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01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: bit of a cultural connection to them. He kind of

1319
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: like like hat tip him, you know. And this guy

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01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: had a Toyota Tacoma. You know, I could tell this

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01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 1: guy was, like, I mean, probably on the same page

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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: as me in terms of like just he digs the outdoors.

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01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: Probably yea. And he pulled up right beside me, and

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01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: he I knew he had to see because he was

1325
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: right behind him. And he looked at me with a

1326
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: big grin on his face, a big grin on my face,

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01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: and both of us knew that we had seen something special. Yeah,

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01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: you'll always have that, Oh my goodness. So the eagle

1329
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: story Eagle and the fox squirrels. Yeah, that's gonna be

1330
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 1: retold free. That will be on. That'll be a cave drawing.

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01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: You should paint that picture. It's a world good quarters. Yeah,

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01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: that's gonna be awesome. Well, thanks, Brent Man. I hate,

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01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: I hate that Nick had to leave. It was kind

1334
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: of an odd Oh we didn't know when he was

1335
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: going to get the call about this dog and he

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01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: had to go. So and we don't wanta leave folks hang.

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01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: And we think he's gonna be fine. He's just he's

1338
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: gonna he just got fixed up and and he'll have

1339
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: have him back here this evening and we'll he probably

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01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: won't hut tonight and you know, go back home and

1341
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: get well and be good to go. Well, hey, we're

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna hunt. We're gonna fry some fish and

1343
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: then we're gonna hunt again tonight aboutely all right, man,

1344
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: We'll keep the wild places wild because that's where the

1345
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: Queen's live