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Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael

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Speaker 1: Verie Show is on the air.

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Speaker 2: Earlier in this hearing, you said in your opening statement

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Speaker 2: that there is nothing more urgent than impeachment right now,

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Speaker 2: this is the most urgent thing we could possibly do. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know what, if you're a senior right now and

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Speaker 2: you can't afford your prescription drugs, that's more urgent than this.

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Speaker 2: If you're a manufacturer wanting to dominate the Western hemisphere

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Speaker 2: with the passage of the USMCA.

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Speaker 3: That is more urgent.

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Speaker 2: If you're a farmer who wants to open markets so

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Speaker 2: that your family can survive and thrive, that is a

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Speaker 2: lot more urgent than this partisan process. If you're a

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Speaker 2: desperate family member watching someone succumb to addiction, solving the

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Speaker 2: opioid problem probably more urgent.

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Speaker 4: Why is it the women with the least likelihood of

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Speaker 4: getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions.

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like.

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Speaker 5: A find.

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Speaker 6: Is it safe to say that based off of your comments,

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Speaker 6: you're suggesting that these women at these.

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Speaker 3: Abortion rallies are ugly and overweight. Yes, what do you

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Speaker 3: see to people who think that those comments are offensive.

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Speaker 2: Be of you all get all worked up that there's

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Speaker 2: going to be some uncomfortable, chaotic moment that I'll feel

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Speaker 2: pressured from conservatives or Democrats or whomever.

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Speaker 3: I feel the judgment of history. I feel the weight

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Speaker 2: I worry that when the history books are written about

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Speaker 2: this country going down, that my name is going to

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Speaker 2: be on the board of directors here. And if this

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Speaker 2: country is going down, and if we're losing the dollar,

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Speaker 2: I am going down fighting. And I don't care if

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Speaker 2: that means fighting Republicans, Democrats, the uniparty, the leadership, the packs,

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Speaker 2: the lobbyists, a paddock. I take no lecture on asking

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Speaker 2: patriotic Americans to weigh in and contribute to this fight

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Speaker 2: from those who would grovel and bend knee for the

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Speaker 2: lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership, who have

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Speaker 2: called foo all you.

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Speaker 4: Want, who have followed out this town.

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Speaker 2: And have borrowed against the future of our future generations.

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Speaker 2: I'll be happy to fund my political operation through the

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Speaker 2: work of hard working Americans ten and twenty and thirty

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Speaker 2: with the lobbyist fundraisers and see how that goes for.

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Speaker 7: Matt Gates announced yesterday by President Trump as his Attorney

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Speaker 3: And I think.

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Speaker 7: It is probably the single most shocking thing Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: It has excited a lot of people, it has frightened

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Speaker 3: Shocked a lot of people.

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Speaker 7: It's a very, very very complicated analysis to begin to

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Speaker 7: put this into perspective. It's not a simple one to

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Speaker 7: start with. You know, there's always the in social studies discussions,

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Speaker 7: it's known as the Overton window. Here is the window

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Speaker 7: within which we can talk about things. Well, if you're

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Speaker 7: trying to build a movement, if you're trying to make

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Speaker 7: have to move the Overton window. And the progressives did that.

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Speaker 7: We went from you know, you can't tell our children

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Speaker 6: Whoa.

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Speaker 3: They moved the window.

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Speaker 7: I think Trump with the Matt Gates decision, I think

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Speaker 7: that was his scorched Earth nuclear bomb. I think that's

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Speaker 7: a moment where he said, if anybody support me, hate me,

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Speaker 7: write about me. If anybody out there believed that this

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Speaker 7: was going to be like what happened in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 7: let me show you it's not. Hold my beer. The

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Speaker 7: most rabid Republicans are looking at this and going, oh my,

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Speaker 7: Matt Gates is a wrecking ball. He's a disruptor. He

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Speaker 7: is a guy with no filter.

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Speaker 3: He is a guy.

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Speaker 7: So this is such a such a complex conversation to have.

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Speaker 7: So he'd have to be confirmed as Attorney general, and

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Speaker 7: mark my words, this won't happen until late January early February.

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Speaker 7: It will be the most rancorous confirmation hearing you've ever heard. Now,

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Speaker 7: between now and then, you're going to hear that he

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Speaker 7: rapes little girls or maybe little boys, and goats and

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Speaker 7: does horrible things. He's single handedly increase the temperature of

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Speaker 7: You're going to hear all of that. That doesn't make

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Speaker 7: him guilty. It doesn't make him innocent. You're going to

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Speaker 7: hear every smear imaginable. They're not going to let Matt

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Speaker 7: Gates lead the Department of Justice, be the top law

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Speaker 7: the Democrats. The Republicans are not. They won't tell you that.

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Speaker 7: They'll go in and leak everything they know. Book it

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Speaker 7: right here. I never make predictions. People make predictions so

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Speaker 7: hope I'm wrong. But my prediction is Matt Gates will

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Speaker 7: never be sworn in because the establishment will stake everything

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Speaker 7: they have on this one. I'll tell you this. Pete

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Speaker 7: heg Seth will sail through. Now, he will absolutely sail through.

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Speaker 7: How about Toolsey Gabbard. Toolsey Gabbard was put on a

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Speaker 7: watch list. Now she's a National intelligence director. Oh, we

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Speaker 7: got a show for you today, folks. But first, something

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Speaker 7: I'm very excited about. Selena Zito wrote a book. It's

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Speaker 7: not out yet, but you can buy it today. She

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Speaker 7: is the writer on the Trump Effect on the country.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump loves her and she's going to be our

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Speaker 7: guests coming up next. Oh, we got so much to

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Speaker 7: get to today. What a great day to be in

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Speaker 7: talk radio.

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Speaker 8: Car speakers, smart devices from Michael's brain, every single one

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Speaker 8: of them to your ears.

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Speaker 7: This is the Michael Arry Show. The twenty sixteen election returns.

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Speaker 7: When President Trump won the first time, we're an absolute

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Speaker 7: shock to the system. The pollsters hadn't predicted it. Hillary

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Speaker 7: We've just won. And Trump has called me and conceded.

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Speaker 7: And returns started coming in, and it was shocking, and

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Speaker 7: there was a mad scramble to understand what had happened.

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Speaker 3: Because this didn't happened in New.

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Speaker 7: York or DC or LA, in newsrooms or corporate boardrooms.

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Speaker 7: This happened out in the hinterlands, flyover country. Nobody knew

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Speaker 7: what to make of it. And then this book emerged.

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Speaker 7: It was called The Great Revolt by Selena Zito, and

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Speaker 7: it's compelling, it's storytelling, it's wonderful. She told a story

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Speaker 7: and her reasons to vote for Trump.

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Speaker 3: Where it was like a.

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Speaker 7: National geographic study on a species nobody had ever seen before,

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Speaker 3: Why do they do that?

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Speaker 7: And Selena Zito captured it. We had her on the

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Speaker 7: read the book. I've marked it up, I've kept it,

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 7: I think that Selena Zito has a real love or

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Speaker 3: And all that.

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Speaker 7: And so The Great Revolt, if you haven't read it,

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Speaker 3: It's as relevant today as it ever was.

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Speaker 7: But she's come out with a new book called The

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Speaker 7: called Butler for Butler, Pennsylvania in July thirteenth, that you

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Speaker 3: Selena Zidel, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 5: Well, thanks so much for having me on Love.

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Speaker 6: I love that you recalled the story of Bonnie Bonnie

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Speaker 6: Yell and there were yeah, there are millions of bonn

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Speaker 5: I really put my neck out there professionally by saying, guys,

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Speaker 5: this raise is over. Y'all just don't know it yet.

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Speaker 3: But you were the only one.

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Speaker 7: Everybody claims they predicted it, but you did it, and

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Speaker 6: Well, you know I when I didn't get the true

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Speaker 5: Know what pulling?

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Speaker 6: I relied on Gallops poll on American sentiments. It had

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Speaker 6: that our coalitions, which began to change in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 6: They just stayed home. People tend to forget that Barack

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Speaker 6: Obama was the only modern president to earn less votes

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Speaker 6: that was three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 5: People just didn't show up. They didn't show up for real.

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Speaker 5: Rodney didn't show up for.

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Speaker 7: Barack Obama again, not only that he was the only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've wanted to ask you these of.

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Speaker 7: Late regarding the Great Revolt and what you did in sixteen,

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Speaker 5: We're voting because butter.

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Speaker 6: Costs too damn much, right, and it costs too much

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Speaker 7: I think that's the sort of thing that people on

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Speaker 7: It's not how people act whole with me for just

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Speaker 7: a moment. Selena Zito is our guest. She wrote the

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Speaker 3: She's got a new.

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Speaker 7: Book on the way on the anniversary of Butler that

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Speaker 1: King I'm ding it and this other guy, Michael Barry.

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Speaker 3: These are the kind of guys, you like to smacking

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Speaker 7: She wrote the book A Great Revolt, which is a

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Speaker 3: She wrote the definitive book.

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Speaker 7: About the twenty sixteen election and where the Trump supporter,

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Speaker 7: that the coasts don't understand. And she really showed what

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Speaker 3: And she nailed it. And I'm a fan. As you

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Speaker 7: She's writing a book now called Butler or Butler Pennsylvania

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Speaker 7: I want to get to the book, but I had

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Speaker 7: one other question for you about The Great Revolt. Your book,

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Speaker 7: The Great Revolt talks about the rise in You use

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Speaker 7: the word populism, and I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Where do you think that populism is?

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Speaker 7: Eight years later, in twenty sixteen, sorry, in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 7: Oh tell me stronger.

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Speaker 6: You know, I qualify it as conservative populism because populism

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Speaker 6: The conservative populism is a little bit different, but it

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Speaker 5: This movement has, and.

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Speaker 6: I suspect wherein for at least a good twenty years

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Speaker 5: The back of the boss. Right, it was usually the c.

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Speaker 5: Now that has shifted.

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Speaker 6: They're both still there, but the dominant is with the

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Speaker 6: the suburban voters came back home, if you will, to

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Speaker 6: the Republican Party. And I would argue that happened before,

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Speaker 6: As opposed to women who don't have children and have

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Speaker 6: the gap I don't think is gender. I think the

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Speaker 7: It's so true, and that becomes kind of a cultural

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Speaker 3: My wife, fifty five.

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Speaker 7: but they're very different people with very different value.

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Speaker 5: Right, They're vastly different.

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Speaker 7: First of all, you attended the Butler rally. Why did

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Speaker 6: So you know, when you're a reporter Usually what you

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Speaker 5: You don't end the day doing what you thought you

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Speaker 5: I started the morning. My daughter is a photo journalist.

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Speaker 6: We were supposed to interview President Trump for five minutes.

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Speaker 6: Now I've interviewed Trump President Trump dozens of times, it's

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Speaker 6: And she came along to do the photos. And we

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Speaker 5: Brought him along.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to tell you I'm not a rally person.

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Speaker 3: It's certainly not in July.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And we brought him along and make him care

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Speaker 6: Text about one o'clock from the campaign saying, hey, it

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Speaker 5: We're going to have to move the interview and I

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Speaker 5: This is just how it goes down. I understand it,

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Speaker 6: I'm pretty resigned to the fact that there probably won't happen.

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Speaker 5: I was like, wow, that's not how I saw the

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Speaker 6: So I said, Okay, my daughter and her husband, they

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Speaker 5: He just wanted to say hi to you, So okay, again,

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Speaker 5: another thing I didn't expect to happen. So I went in.

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Speaker 5: I said hello to him.

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Speaker 6: He asked about my grandchildren by name, so he was looking.

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Speaker 5: Forward to the interview.

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Speaker 6: He always says I have the best hair in America,

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Speaker 3: In a museum somewhere. They saved his life right, Oh my.

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Speaker 5: God, Oh my gosh, man, he does so. If you've

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Speaker 6: To a Trump rally, the relationship between him and the

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Speaker 6: audio and the people attending is very transactional. He feeds

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Speaker 6: He may move his body way to face another section,

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Speaker 5: Shark him down.

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Speaker 6: He turns his neck away to point to it and

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Speaker 7: The hold right there, hold right there, Hold with me

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Speaker 7: for just a moment, Lindazy toels our guest more with

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Speaker 3: She was twelve. I was thirty, but it was wonderful

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Speaker 3: to have you, mister President. The Michael Arry Show. Selena

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Speaker 3: Zito is our guest.

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Speaker 7: She wrote the book The Great Revolt about the twenty

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Speaker 3: It is it has been studied many, many, many times.

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Speaker 3: It is like the book about the nineteen sixty race

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Speaker 7: Kennedy's father commissioned to be writing, The Making of the President.

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Speaker 7: It's like, it's like what it takes, which Richard Richard

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Speaker 3: You know, this is like Hunter S. Thompson in the

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Speaker 3: seventy two race.

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Speaker 7: These books take on life of their own because among

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Speaker 7: the consultant class, you pass these books around so that

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Speaker 7: you can understand what happened. Whatever these people say happened

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Speaker 7: in the election is what gets replaced, is what the

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Speaker 7: truth gets replaced with.

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Speaker 3: In this case, this.

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Speaker 7: Was an incredible perception of what had happened in that election.

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Speaker 7: And our guest is Selma Zito. She's the author of it.

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Speaker 7: Her newest book she's working on, which I hope you'll

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Speaker 7: pre order today is called Butler, The Untold story of

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Speaker 7: the near assassinate assassination of Donald Trump in the fight

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Speaker 7: for America's heartland. All right, rewind us a second. You

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Speaker 7: were at Butler and President wants to see if he

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Speaker 7: loves your hair.

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Speaker 3: They bring you back.

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Speaker 7: They're not doing the interview now, and I know, you know,

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Speaker 7: you're kind of being moved around, and you feel awkward.

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Speaker 7: Can I just get somewhere in light, caul, it just

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Speaker 7: sit somewhere and they're moving you around. You're on the

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Speaker 7: riser over here. And then he's got his charts and

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Speaker 7: you hear the pop pop pop take us from there.

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Speaker 5: I do. I hear the pop pop pop pop. I

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Speaker 5: know immediately it's a gunshot. I'm a I'm a gun owner.

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Speaker 5: And I watched the blood streak across his face. I

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Speaker 5: saw him kneel down.

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Speaker 6: And and I didn't move and and and then I

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Speaker 6: hear four more pops, and Michelle Picard, who was his

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Speaker 6: campaign advanced press guy, literally tackles me to the ground once,

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Speaker 6: like get down, get down, And I'm four feet five

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Speaker 6: feet away from him. I see him, I see the

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Speaker 6: Secret Service come around him. I can hear the entire

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Speaker 6: conversation he is having with them, because I'm right there,

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Speaker 6: and and you know, it's established that he's okay, it's

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Speaker 6: established that it's clear to move, and and uh, and

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Speaker 6: they're they're.

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Speaker 5: Saying, Okaymistry President, We're going to move.

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Speaker 6: And he keeps on saying, I need to put my

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Speaker 6: shoes on. So what I could see from there when

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Speaker 6: they when they when they gathered around him in a

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Speaker 6: protective stance, one of the agents had knocked his shoes

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Speaker 6: off of them and.

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Speaker 5: He did not want to. He was pretty stubborn about it.

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Speaker 6: They were like, let's go, and because I need to

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Speaker 6: put my shoes on, and the one I could hear it,

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Speaker 6: the email agent say okay, fine, and and then uh,

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Speaker 6: they bring him past me down the steps, walks past me,

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Speaker 6: his his hat, his Make America Great hat.

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Speaker 5: One of the agents had it in his hand yet

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Speaker 5: his hand and.

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Speaker 6: Just as they come around right in front of like,

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Speaker 6: I'm laying on the ground right below the steps, and uh,

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Speaker 6: it falls and just lands right in front of me,

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Speaker 6: very slowly. It was very eerie. The next morning I

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Speaker 6: get on these I did not go to Bedminster, but

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Speaker 6: the next morning he called me bright and early, and

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Speaker 6: before I could even get the word hello out, it's Selena,

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Speaker 6: Are you okay?

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Speaker 5: Is your daughter okay? Is your son in Lae? I'm like, well, okay.

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Speaker 6: And then we have very detailed it's in the book,

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Speaker 6: conversation about.

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Speaker 5: God, about faith.

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Speaker 6: And he ended up calling me a total of seven

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Speaker 6: times that day, and I've interviewed him four times since then.

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Speaker 5: At different rallies.

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Speaker 6: And so the book takes you through Butler, the sort

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Speaker 6: of forty two miles stretch where I believe that Trump

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Speaker 6: regained his mojo in February twenty twenty three when he

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Speaker 6: showed up in East Palestine, the tiny Ohio village that

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Speaker 6: was rocked by the trained derailment and then subsequent control

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Speaker 6: burn and nobody else did. And how these forty two

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Speaker 6: miles all across our country, whether it's in between Butler

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Speaker 6: and East Palestine or anywhere else, are the people that

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Speaker 6: were going to decide this election and their lives mattered,

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Speaker 6: And how Butler is intertwined throughout this election, and how

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Speaker 6: I understood and kept saying that He's going.

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Speaker 5: To win Pennsylvania despite everyone telling me again it wasn't

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Speaker 5: going to happen.

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Speaker 7: Oh sorry, I just I turned off my mic so

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't interrupt you. That's uh, well, it was just

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Speaker 7: great storytelling. You tell stories well, whether it's the written

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Speaker 7: word or the spoken word. I want to go back

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Speaker 7: to that moment where he's down. You know, we've heard

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Speaker 7: the sort of undercover audio of them trying to get

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Speaker 7: him out of there, and.

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Speaker 8: He wants his shoes on. Trump has. I say, it's instinctive.

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Speaker 8: He has an instinctive, kind of atavistic the way animals

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Speaker 8: can sniff power and strength and fear and all that

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Speaker 8: he has.

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Speaker 3: I think he understood, even at that moment where he's

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Speaker 3: just been shot.

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Speaker 7: I think he understood that walking around with no shoes

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Speaker 7: on doesn't look strong, and he is strong, and I

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Speaker 7: think he I don't think he consciously thought it. I

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Speaker 7: think it was just it's his instincts. I've said this

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Speaker 7: for years, is there's never been anyone in politics with

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Speaker 7: the instincts the manhass Yeah.

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Speaker 6: We talk about that.

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Speaker 5: It's in the book.

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Speaker 6: We talk about why he said fight, you know, and people.

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Speaker 5: Did not hear.

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Speaker 6: But he's before he said fight and before he got up,

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Speaker 6: he said USA twice and people didn't hear that.

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Speaker 5: At least I don't think they do. I haven't seen

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Speaker 5: that report.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, it's a it's a really there's

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Speaker 6: some very powerful conversations between the two of us, not

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Speaker 6: only there, but also a week later in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 6: than Johnstown, then Indiana, Pennsylvania. Uh and and each time

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Speaker 6: he opens up a little more of out about the event.

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Speaker 5: I remember seeing him.

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Speaker 6: I had decided early on I wasn't going to go

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Speaker 6: to the conventions. I never learned anything new at conventions.

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Speaker 6: I learned much more if I sit at a bar

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Speaker 6: and watch people watch the conventions. And besides that, I'm old.

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Speaker 5: I can't do it anymore. But I.

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Speaker 7: Hate crowds, and I hate crowds in that kind of environment. Anyway,

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know age whatever.

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Speaker 6: But I remember watching him come out, and I bet

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Speaker 6: everybody can conjure this image up as well. When he

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Speaker 6: came out that first night, and the.

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Speaker 5: Look on his face was very difficult to decipher.

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Speaker 6: That look because it was emotional, but it wasn't. It

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Speaker 6: was gratitude, but it wasn't, it was it was There

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Speaker 6: were so many ways you can interpret that look on

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Speaker 6: his face.

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Speaker 5: And I saw that look and I said, Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: I know, I I know that. Look, that's the one

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Speaker 5: that's on my face. I know exactly.

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Speaker 6: And I wasn't even shot at I mean, I wasn't

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Speaker 6: the target. But I know exactly how he feels in

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Speaker 6: this moment, and you don't know how.

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Speaker 5: I still haven't.

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Speaker 3: I personally still.

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Speaker 5: Have not dealt with it in a proper way. I

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Speaker 5: know someday I will some day I cried, but I

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Speaker 5: have not cried yet.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I speak or something called Camp Hope, which is

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Speaker 7: part of the PTSD.

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Speaker 3: Foundation of America in Houston, and I.

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Speaker 7: Talk a lot to veterans who were in war about

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Speaker 7: that trauma. What happens to the brain during trauma, and

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Speaker 7: what you witnessed there was trauma. It's not war, but

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Speaker 7: it is trauma, and how our brain pushes that back

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Speaker 7: and slowly we deal with it.

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Speaker 3: Hold with me for a moment, Selena Zto.

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Speaker 7: I know we told you we'd be respectful of your time,

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Speaker 7: but I do want to get into the failures that

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Speaker 7: allowed our president to be shot and almost killed.

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Speaker 3: The book is called Butler, The.

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Speaker 7: Untold Story of the your Assassination of Donald Trump in

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Speaker 7: the Fight for America's Heartland. Pre order it today. More

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Speaker 7: with Selena coming out

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