1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Hey, no confession time, man, what you know, we're getting 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: on in years and I'm just wondering, have you or 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Max ever considered botox? 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: I don't think you need Thank you, thank you for 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: that caveat. I'm gonna say it's not for me. I know, 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: shade or grudge against anyone that feels like that's something 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: that will improve their self image or self esteem. But 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 2: it's just never been something that I found to be 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: of interest to me personally. 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 1: I was startled to read. I'm right, they often look startled. 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: Folks do what you will, you know, as long as 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: it's something positive and it makes you happy. But if 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: somebody came to me and they said, Ben, you need botox, 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: it would kind of send me on a spiral. 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: Just to be honest, absolutely, And you know I mean 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: in this are very public facing day and age where 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: folks are judged for their looks on the regular people 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: who are public figures at the pressure to look your 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: best or whatever. But it turns out the origins of 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: this kind of thing, what is the word I believe batcha, Yeah, 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: that's right, are very unusual and dare we say ridiculous. 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, this may give you a pause, but we think 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: it's a very fascinating and ridiculous origin story. And obviously, 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: like you're saying, we're not taking potshots for anybody who 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: was doing botox or similar procedures, but I think it 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: is important in an age of social media and everybody 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: being to some degree of public figure, it's important to 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: realize that there can be dangers to that because people 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: have been getting botox at younger and younger ages, which 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, not to sound like an old fogy, but 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: I would be you know, were I a parent, I 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: would be a little concerned if I had like a 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: college or a high school aged kid who came to 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: me and said, Dad, for Christmas or whatever, I want 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: my birthday or something, I want botox. 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: I will say. 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: I have a friend who she gets botox injections very 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: not very uncommonly, and what she always says is like 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 4: if you just do it a little bit, and so 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: they tell you like a little bit, like you know, 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: helps out. But like when you see those uh, you know, 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 4: the celebrities with the uh terror faces, probably uh that's 43 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: because they've just going way too hard. And like you know, 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 4: she was talking to me about I'm like, okay, that 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: doesn't like, that's a different way of thinking about it 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: from what how I've always. 47 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Thought about something with moderation, right. 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's no accident that the tox part 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: of botox uh is in there, because the baculinum toxin, 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: which has often been referred to as a miracle poison, 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: is in fact an incredibly poisonous biological material that in 52 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: small doses and when injected in the face, can cause 53 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: paralysis that is sort of desirable. I guess that causes 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: like wrinkles to be smoothed out and stuff. And again 55 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: to your point, Max, people that get it maybe a 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: little too frequently can have paralysis that is a little 57 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: bit more striking, let's just say. 58 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: And then there's I mean, also it ties into very 59 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: real problematic things like body dysmorphia, issues with self image. 60 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: But we think, regardless of your stance on botox personally 61 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: or philosophically, folks, we think you too will be amazed 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: to learn in today's classic episode the provenance of this treatment. 63 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: It comes not necessarily from the world of medicine so 64 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: much as one man's unending obsession with food safety and rotting. 65 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: Pork exactly, blood sausage even which was a very popular 66 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: delicacy and of Wutcheenberg, Germany in the late seventeen nineties 67 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: vill bod which is now known as Boden excuse me, 68 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: as you said, Wurtemberg Wurtenberg in Germany. There was a 69 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: rash of sickenings that came about due to a particular 70 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: batch of pork sausage, a rash of sickenings, a rash 71 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: of sickenings, and because of that, it was discovered that 72 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: this toxin that was created due to essentially food spoiling, 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: had some unintended side effects that were then kind of 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: co opted and used for something completely different. 75 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: So let's get into the tail. Ridiculous History is a 76 00:04:47,800 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio, Friends and Neighbors. Whether you have frown lines, 77 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: cruise feet, or a face that is uncannily plump and 78 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: baby smooth, we'd like to welcome you to the show. 79 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: My name is Ben, my. 80 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: Name is Nolan. Ben. I couldn't help, but notice you 81 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: got a little bag and sag in action going on 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: under those eyes. They're gonna shoot some sausage poison up 83 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: in there to help you out. 84 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: Well. I appreciate you using it by its real name 85 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: I'm going for more of like a haggard investigator, dangerous 86 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: cop on you know, off the res. Yeah, I'm doing 87 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: like a cerproco thing. I'm working up toward it. But 88 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: it's true. I don't know if everybody noticed what Noel 89 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: just said. You called it sausage poisones. 90 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: Sausage poison, my friend, don't I have a syringe of 91 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: it right here on the ready. 92 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: No, riddle me, riddle me this snole before you stab 93 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: me in the face with this. Where's this sausage poison 94 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: thing coming from? Is there another name. 95 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: For that, the sausage Poison Party? 96 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: I would buy that album. 97 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: Let's oh yeah, that sounds like fun. Yeah, well, no, 98 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: it's it's it's you know, a sausage poisoned by any 99 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: other name is still sausage poison. But we know and 100 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: love it today as a little thing called botox that 101 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: has taken the fashion and celebrity world by storm. 102 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you about something that we didn't 103 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: talk about off air, but it really creeped me out, 104 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: and I'm going to keep the names out of it 105 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: out of respect for these people. So I know someone 106 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: who is a dude in his early twenties who has 107 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: had multiple botox injections? 108 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: Is it Jonathan Strickland, it is, it is? 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I don't think it's Jonathan. No, 110 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: I don't know of anybody, any of our coworkers who 111 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: are botox fans. But it is an increasingly common procedure, 112 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: right and it's it used to be something that people 113 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: would just most Americans would just hear about on television. 114 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: But now that you know, when I learned that this 115 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: this guy I know is getting botox injections in his 116 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: early twenties noll and he says he has to have them, 117 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: it hit me how common this procedure is becoming. 118 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: And just you know, disclaim it right up front, utterly, 119 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: no shade, do do what you want to do, Do 120 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: what makes you feel good. 121 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: It's your body. 122 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: It's totally your body. But yeah, and I said, you know, 123 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: the fashion and world of celebrity was taken by storm, 124 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: but it is totally trickled down to us, you know, 125 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: every day folk. And like there are botox parties you 126 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: can have, Like people will go to gym's and set 127 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: up a little botox station because it's an easy, little 128 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: quick procedure it's just as rans that's loaded with this 129 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: stuff that is a processed form of back to heia 130 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: that actually gives you botulism. And we talked about sausage 131 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: poison because, as it turns out, the guy that discovered 132 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: this stuff found it in a batch of bad blood 133 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: sausages in Germany in the early eighteen hundreds. 134 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: That's right. We can trace the success and prevalence of 135 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: what is called botox today to the discovery made by 136 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: this physician, Justinus Kerner, who, as Noel said, encountered a 137 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: batch of dangerous sausage sausage gone wrong in the early 138 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. What Kerner discovered specifically were the spores of 139 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: something called Clustridium buchulinium microbes. 140 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and as it turns out, there were multiple strains 141 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: of it that were discovered. One in particular is what 142 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: has become used widely as botox because it has the 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: property of relaxing muscles. So you know, if you have 144 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: these lines in your face and then you inject this stuff, 145 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: it relaxes the muscle and causes the lines to kind 146 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: of disappear. And it's interesting because this scientist, as was 147 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: sort of practice in the day, he didn't have anybody 148 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: to try this stuff out on, so he just shot 149 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: himself up with it and literally, like a thing that 150 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: he knew was poisoning sickening people, he just decided, well, 151 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: maybe might find something interesting out here, and he started 152 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: injecting it in himself, and he discovered some pretty interesting properties. 153 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: Right, And we do have to say, in Kerner's defense, 154 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: his bona fides come thusly before he experimented on himself. 155 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: This is a quote from our friend Laurie L. 156 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: Dove. 157 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: He rigorously tested hundreds of sausages to find these different 158 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: varieties of bachulism or bachelim toxin, and it turns out 159 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: that it was pretty common to have dodgy sausage in 160 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: Germany at this time because there were, you know, lower 161 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: standards of food safety, to be honest. And eventually this 162 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: led to something that sounds hilarious but is tragic and real, 163 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: which was, you know, scores of people dying due to 164 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: sausage poisoning outbreaks. This inspired Kerner. He worked himself up 165 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: to self experimentation, which sounds so crazy today, but you're 166 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: absolutely right, and he discovered it had this muscle relaxing 167 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: effect that you had mentioned and that it was not 168 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: fatal and that it could alter appearance to a degree. 169 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: That's right. In addition to that muscle relaxing effect, it 170 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: also could cause vision problems, problems swallowing, vomiting, and severe 171 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: weakness of muscles when just used directly or experienced ingesting 172 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: it through the tainted food. And Kerner actually came up 173 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: with a pretty clever name for this stuff. He called 174 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: it worst Gifts, which means sausage poison. But I think 175 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 2: that as a sausage present. 176 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Go there we go. But then the evolution of botox 177 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: applications continues for decades, right, and there's a big breakthrough 178 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: about seventy years after Kerner. 179 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: It also involved tainted food. In this case, it was 180 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: a bespoiled ham that was brought to a funeral talking 181 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: about adding insult to injury. Some people died, actually three 182 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: people died and twenty three people were paralyzed by this 183 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: tainted ham. And a doctor by the name of Emiel 184 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: Pierre van Airmingham of Belgium had to investigate this botulism outbreak. 185 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: And it's interesting he actually studied under Robert Koch, doctor 186 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: Robert Coke, who found out about anthrax and tuberculosis and 187 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: cholera bacterial cause. So the bacterial causes exactly, and Airmingham 188 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: was able to make the connection between botulism and that 189 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: spore we talked about that he called Bacillis botulinus and 190 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: it was later renamed Claustridium botulinium. 191 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: And this is a watershed moment for this science because 192 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: in the years afterwards people were able to identify more 193 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: strains of Baculinum talks and eventually arriving at seven total, 194 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: four of which could actually cause illness in human beings. 195 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 2: That's right, And we're getting some of this info from 196 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: a great article on NBC News called Frozen in Time. 197 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: Botox over the years, from bad sausage to brow raiserre 198 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: a poisonous path to pretty That is some good alliterations, 199 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: good title. It's neat though, too, because as we move 200 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: into the forties and World War two, folks were experimenting 201 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: with this stuff as like a serious chemical weapon. 202 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. According to a two thousand and four article in 203 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: Clinical Medicine by the it's the Journal of the Royal 204 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: College of Physicians in London, there was a plan on 205 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: the US side to have Chinese sex workers slip tiny 206 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: pills into the food or drink of high ranking Japanese 207 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: officers in the hope that this would prove fatal. They 208 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: got far enough to actually make the capsules, but they 209 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: never put it into action. But yeah, as Noel said, 210 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: they were actively planning to weaponize it. And now you know, 211 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: you can have a party and put a version of 212 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: it in your face. 213 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: And that stuff you put in your face is the 214 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: Bauchulinium talks and type A. Because in the sixties and 215 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: seventies the research into that in particular was accelerated and 216 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: it was meant to help with muscle disorders. There was 217 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: a doctor by the name of Alan B. Scott of 218 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: the Smith Kettlewell Eye Research Foundation in San Francisco, who 219 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: did animal studies with that ty a, and he hypothesized 220 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: that you could actually use this stuff to help cure 221 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: people who had crossed eyes, cross eyed people who were 222 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: cross eyed. There's an official name for that. It is 223 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: called strabismus. I was not aware of that, and it 224 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: is a type of quote ophthalmic dystonia. And they found 225 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: that when injecting this stuff into the muscles around the 226 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: afflicted eyes, it loosened them up and caused them to 227 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: go straight. 228 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: So now we see the transformation from a poison in 229 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: your sausage or you're what was the phrases, bespoiled ham 230 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: I like that, to a weapon of war or would 231 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: be weapon of war, to something that may, it turns out, 232 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: have health benefits. In nineteen seventy eight, doctor Allan Scott 233 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: gets FDA approval to inject more, you know, to experiment 234 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: on people with bachulinum toxin. 235 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: And he trademarked it as acu Linum, and that was 236 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: the name of the company that he incorporated with that patent, and. 237 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: By the late eighties drug makers were paying attention. A 238 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: manufacturer named Allergan purchased oculinum or or purchased rather, let's 239 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: be technical here, purchased the rights to distribute it, and 240 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: then the FDA approved this not just for strabismus, as 241 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: Noel mentioned, but also for spasms of the eyelid muscle 242 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: better known as bleferos spasms. 243 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: And it wasn't long after Allergan acquired this serum that 244 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: they also got approval from the FDA to changed the name. 245 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that was a thing. I guess it 246 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: makes sense because he can't be you know. That's why 247 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: the names of pharmaceuticals are often a little dull, because 248 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: I think they have to have some aspect in them 249 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: that ties to the actual substance, the actual material that's 250 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: in the product. 251 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: Can't call things smile pills, yeah, exactly. 252 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: And they changed it to botox, which was a fun 253 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: portmanteau of batchy line toxin type A botox. 254 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: Now here we are. We've gone through the discovery of 255 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: this stuff, the application of it, and the various uses 256 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: people tried to find for it that didn't quite work out, 257 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: like a weapon of war. Again, thank goodness, we went 258 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: with some health benefits instead, and very impressed. Good on 259 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: you human species. So the big question that is, how 260 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: did we get from how do we get from this 261 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: sausage poison to a wrinkle treatment? Right? It occurs in 262 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: the nineties when a Canadian ophthalmologist named doctor Jing Carruthers 263 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: notices that her patients with eye spasms are starting to 264 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: lose their frown lines, which is a specific type of 265 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: line on the face that comes with aging. 266 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: Right, It's like, oh, my goodness, Louise, not only is 267 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: I not twitching anymore, you also have taken on a 268 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: new youthful glow and because that's how people talked in 269 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: the nineties in Canada. 270 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, these are accurate reenactments. And in nineteen 271 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: ninety two, doctor Caruthers, along with her husband, who was 272 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: a dermatologist, published a study that noted this C. Bauchulinum, 273 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: a exotoxin could be used to treat brow wrinkles, and 274 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: they had no idea about how quickly the rest of 275 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: the world would catch on, so dermatologists across North America 276 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: took note in the United States as well. By nineteen 277 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: ninety seven, botox used for wrinkles had spiked to the 278 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: point that Canada ran out and people began to panic. 279 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, I have a pretty distinct 280 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: memory of like when you started hearing about botox, and 281 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: it wasn't for me anyway until the early two thousands. 282 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: And that's because the FDA in the United States didn't 283 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: give Allergan approval to use bow talks for that application 284 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 2: that the Canadians were so fond of already until two 285 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: thousand and two, and that's when they were able to 286 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: get that approval for the temporary improvement of appearance of 287 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: moderate to severe glabellar lines or those vertical frown lines 288 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: between your brow that you know, folks are wont to 289 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: get rid of. 290 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: You hear them called worry lines, worry. 291 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: Lines, and this is not only this is in men 292 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: and women, and they can start to form as early 293 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: as like nineteen or twenty years old. 294 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: This was a genuine treatment for something that a lot 295 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: of people were very insecure about. You know, people wanted 296 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: these wrinkles gone. And the FDA we keep issuing approval 297 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: for different uses, right, and botox became amazingly popular. I 298 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: think you and I and super producer Casey all remember 299 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: the glut of advertising. Right. It started to show up 300 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: in fictional shows too. Somebody would get botox. Right. You 301 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: started to see advertisements for it in malls, in gyms, 302 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: and it would be called the you know, the beauty 303 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: secret in the health mags or the different lifestyle magazines. 304 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: And then of course, inevitably knockoffs come into play, right, 305 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: which leads to one of my favorite phrases that we 306 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: found here. Photos photos that's rough. That's rough. 307 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: It is like baby. 308 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: Laxative, like what I don't know, But I am not 309 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: a photos authority, thank goodness, but we do also have 310 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: to caution against using some kind of thing like that. 311 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: Did somebody make homegrown botulism? Did they just get the 312 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: right kind of stuff to grow? 313 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: And some bad sausages do it in a petri dish 314 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: and in their closet. 315 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: That's that's that's not a good look now. 316 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: But a lot of people in the United States, a 317 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: lot of a lot of people did seem to think 318 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: that botox was a good look, despite like seven hundred 319 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: percent since the early two thousands, and that's according to 320 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: the American Society of Plastic Surgeons. But that number is 321 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: only tied to that cosmetic use. And as we've already 322 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: been through, quite a few other uses for this toxin 323 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: that are under review currently or actually in practice, and 324 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: that includes the treatment of cerebral palsy, a condition that 325 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 2: involves severely contracted muscles, so it makes sense that you 326 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: could use this to ease those spasms. 327 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: It also has success with easy muscle spasms from multiple sclerosis, 328 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: or and this surprised me, treating migraines. 329 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: But as with anything that you know, experiences such a 330 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: meteoric rise so quickly, there's there's a backlash sometimes right 331 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: and in that timeline on NBC they talk about this 332 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: botox backlash and terms you know, thrown around. 333 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: Like poker face and joker face. 334 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: And the idea that it's just a little too available 335 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: and maybe people are doing it a little too willy 336 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 2: nilly and not thinking about maybe some of the side effects, 337 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 2: and even some celebrities that were all about it are 338 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: a little less willing to you know, come right out 339 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: and say this is something that I do. 340 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: So then I guess the question is also is this 341 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: a fad, right or is this just society adjusting to 342 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: this treatment. You know, we're not the kind of people 343 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: who take pleasure in, you know, mocking other people are 344 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: ridiculing their choices. As far as we're concerned, I think 345 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: you speak for both of us here. If you're not 346 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: hurting somebody, then do do as you will. You know, 347 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to bully anybody for making a choice 348 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: about their body that made them feel comfortable, confident, et cetera. 349 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: But it is strange, and I don't think most people 350 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: know that this all goes back to one guy in 351 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds who said, what's wrong with all this sausage? 352 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: Yep? And that tainted to meet you know is big, 353 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: big money. Despite this backlash we talked about, Allergan reported 354 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: that in twenty sixteen they finished with a seven percent 355 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: rise in net revenues and that is attributed to three 356 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: point nine billion in fourth quarter sales. 357 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: Holy smokes, Well, I feel like it would be a 358 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: little bit too personal question to ask you, nol or 359 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: u Casey if you would get this kind of stuff, 360 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: So I'll go out and say it. By the I 361 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: think by the time that I am like elderly, I'll 362 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: probably just be able to download myself into a robot 363 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: or to get some sort of crisper level genetic treatment. 364 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know how long the age of plastic 365 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: surgery is going to exist. In general. 366 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: I totally agree Ben, I look forward to slash year. 367 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: When that day comes. I just want to rattle off, 368 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 2: real quick a couple of the other products that Allergan pedals. 369 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: Leading of course the list is Botox, followed by Restasis, Oser, DECKX, lenses, Vrailar, Viberzi, Kaybella. 370 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: I know Caybella. I think I've seen that commercial, no 371 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: idea what it does, and Lostren. 372 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: These sound like if I'm living in some sort of 373 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: he man Masters of the universe world. This sounds like 374 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: this is my traveling crew of adventurers Gorilla. 375 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: Come hither a busy See. 376 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: I think it works. I know it's it's a tough job. 377 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: But whenever I hear about naming cars or naming drugs, 378 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: I always think, whose job is that? Who sits there 379 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: and goes proton? 380 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 4: No? 381 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: Wait, Britonica, you know that seems like a pretty sweet gig. 382 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: If you have that job, please write to us let 383 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: us know if you're taking suggestions. 384 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: Ho ho what thither? 385 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: Oh? 386 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: No? I think I think I remember this noise? Do 387 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: you remember this? 388 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: It's not a good noise. Okay, I guess it's time. 389 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: It's time, gentlemen, Jonathan Strickland, the Quistor, you've returned yet again. 390 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: I am back. I am back to quiz you on 391 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: things that may or may not have happened. And of course, 392 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: as we all know, it is your duty to, within 393 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: the span of three minutes, determine whether the nonsense I 394 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: spout is real or if I just made it up. 395 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: Thease at tire of your games, Quista, too bad Noll, 396 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 3: for this has become a permanent segment. Sporadically throughout the 397 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: course of this podcast. And so let's see, I gotta 398 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 3: come up with an our betrayriy rule. Why know we're 399 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: talking sausages today, are we not? 400 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: Yes, round, So at. 401 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 3: The beginning of every question you have for me within 402 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: the span of those three minutes, once the timer begins, 403 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: you must proceed your request with please, sir, can I 404 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: have some more? 405 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: Oh boy? Okay, and we have to have to try. 406 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: You need to. 407 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: Twist your oliver as hard as you can. Sounds pain's 408 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: that's what makes the voice so high bitched. 409 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: This is gonna be cartoonishly cognate. 410 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. Well, it's because it's because the query 411 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: I have the quandary. If you will the stuff what 412 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: I might have made up all might be true, happens 413 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: to be of English origin. Are you prepared to hear 414 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: the scenario? 415 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: We are prepared, all right. 416 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: There's a fist bump happening right in front of me. 417 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: We even blew it up. 418 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: It's extremely insulting to do that on an audio podcast, 419 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: but we will continue. Nonetheless. I will signal to you, 420 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: Master Bolan, to pull the giant lever on our timekeeping device, which, 421 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: as we have previously established, takes up the entire back 422 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: wall of this studio. 423 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: And most of the budget. 424 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, it's a long one, so don't I'll 425 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: point to you when it's time. These are getting longer 426 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: each day. Listen, you left me with a lot of 427 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: time on my hands to kind of put this together. 428 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm saying it's equal blame here. All right, 429 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 3: let's get on with it. 430 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: Here we go. 431 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: In the UK, sausages are sometimes called bangers, as in 432 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: the famous dish Bangers and mash. But why bangers? Well 433 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 3: it is because in the early nineteenth century, before English 434 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 3: law forced s laughter houses oh wait, no slaughter houses 435 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: to relocate far away from urban centers, the denizens of 436 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: old London Town could hear the sound of the abattoir 437 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: workers striking livestock over the head with a blunt instrument 438 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 3: in preparation for the slaughter. The sausages produced by the 439 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: packing industry then took on the name bangers, and the 440 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: nickname stuck even as the slaughterhouses were forced to relocate 441 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 3: further away. By the mid eighteen hundreds, a. 442 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: Begin getting running started. 443 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: WHOA okay, we're going So I always just assumed that 444 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 2: it was because sausages are like tied together and if 445 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: you like walked with them, they would bang together. 446 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Oh you eat some crazy rock car sausages. 447 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: No, like you know, they they come on like a string. 448 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 2: You got a string of sausages and like if you 449 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: could sling them over your shoulder and as you walk, 450 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: they would bang together. 451 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: Right ba sa more close enough? Go ahead? 452 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: Whatever? That was beautiful? 453 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: Good? 454 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: All right? So, so in what time period did this occur? 455 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 3: Early eighteen hundreds. By the mid eighteen hundreds, the UK 456 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: passed laws that forced slaughterhouses away from urban centers for 457 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: cleanliness issues. Please, sir, may I have some more you 458 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: may know? 459 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: Oh I don't have anything. 460 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: Oh well that's fine, consider yourself at hope I do. 461 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: I am really, I'm really tempted to say true. One 462 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: thing that's making me question it is that it would 463 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: be strange for the food manufacturers to use that name. 464 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: I could see the street level. 465 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: Oh this was the nickname that people adopted for the sausages. 466 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: It wasn't marketed as bankers. 467 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: But why not call a stake a banger then, you know, 468 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: or like a hot club track? Yeah, that's different. How 469 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: you know that that wasn't until many many years later. 470 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: That's what we call bangers now is like a really 471 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: tight track. 472 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: Casey could have a gunshot in airhorn. That is the 473 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: best use for us. Yeah, all right, so I I'm 474 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna hazard true. Really okay, what are you thinking? 475 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: I'm thinking false? Because I really do feel like the 476 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: Bangers is like that they bang together? So shall we 477 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: shall we flip for it? 478 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: Roachambo roachimbo deathmatch one two three shoot. 479 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 2: And we're supposed to call out what what we what? 480 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: We shot? 481 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, ready, one two three brock Sorry, okay. 482 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: You want you beat me? 483 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 3: So you're going with true? 484 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: We're going with true. We're locking it in doing a row. 485 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: You have fallen to the mastery of. 486 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: The Quizta Himbo always seems like such a good idea, 487 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: but I really think we should talk these through the 488 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: cool mistress Rochambo. 489 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I feel so good. 490 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: I'm a little peeved at you, though, Ben I gotta says. 491 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: I have a little peeve to you. What I feel 492 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: like you should be better at rock paper scissors. We 493 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: play it all the time. 494 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm sitting in a big bowl of mashed potatoes as 495 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: Bangers and mash right, whoa right in. 496 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: The potato yeah, I'm a little peeved in meat. 497 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 3: Would you like to hear where the term bangers really 498 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 3: came from? 499 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: Yes? Please? 500 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: It was a century later during World War One, which 501 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 3: at the time they did not call World War One 502 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: because they were optimists and just called the Great War. 503 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't know there was gonna be a sequel. 504 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 3: No one had looked at the trailers. World War One, 505 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 3: there was a meat shortage in the UK, and so 506 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: sometimes the packers, the meat packers would make up the 507 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: difference in the lack of meat with a little extra 508 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: water content and sausages, which are of course tied off 509 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: in casings. You put a case filled with water, a 510 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 3: water tight case on a hot surface. The water expands, 511 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: sometimes causing the case to rupture, resulting in a banging noise. 512 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: And that is why they're called bangers. 513 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: Because they would like pop. Yes, it's from the popping 514 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: noise of Well, I was wrong too then, so I 515 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: feel better now, I mean I wasn't. I did say false, 516 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: but my explanation was not quite honest. 517 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: You never know, You never know. Also, just in case 518 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 3: you are curious, the captive bolt pistol was invented in 519 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 3: nineteen o three in Germany. 520 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: Don't care. 521 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: Oh I thought, I didn't think it was a bolt pistol. 522 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: I was picturing the hammer. 523 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: Right, No, I said blood instrument. That's why I specifically 524 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: looked up with pistol created. 525 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: Well, it looks like now we are in a dead 526 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: heat overall, right, because for two we are two for two. 527 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: So the next one is going to be decisive for 528 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: all the means. 529 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: I cannot wait. But it's going to be another one 530 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: about bodies. 531 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: Look, man, we have sure, we have some trends here, 532 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: but we vary the show we like. You know, we 533 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: just also did a great episode on vitamin donuts. It's true. 534 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: I have no response to that, none at all. 535 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: That's a first. 536 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for you to wrap this up so 537 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 3: I can so I can. 538 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: Leave, crawl back into your corner. 539 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 3: I'm just so, I'm so tired of this room. 540 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: He's got a little palette here with like candles and stuff. 541 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: Is thats how you read your fake history stories by candlelight? 542 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 3: Yes, I read my fake history stories by candle. 543 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: You've got a weather picture stuck up with a thumbtack. 544 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: I think it's a dog from the fifties. Is that 545 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: stock photography. 546 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 3: Is my aunt. 547 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: Oh okay, So on that note, let's hope that we 548 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: have only lost the battle and not the war in 549 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: our continuing conflict with the villainous quist Jonathan Strickland. 550 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: You're here in the meantime. If you'd like to send 551 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: us some words of comfort, as we are both emotionally 552 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: shattered right now. You can write to us at Ridiculous 553 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: at HowStuffWorks dot com. You can also, you know, send 554 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: us an e card or a nice gift and post 555 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: it on Ridiculous History on Facebook book. 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We're going to try to do 557 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: a better job of being part of this online community, 558 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: and we're going to do that soon in the form 559 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: of our first ever Facebook Live. 560 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: Yes, the rumors that we just started are true, ladies 561 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, We are indeed going to be Facebook Live 562 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: and direct with a Ridiculous History family, and we'd love 563 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: to we'd love to meet you irl sort of, So 564 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: drop bys a toss us alike, ask us some weird questions, 565 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: and be prepared for some strange answers. 566 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: When is that going to be? Do we do we 567 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: know yet? Are we just kind of floating the idea? 568 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 2: Out there and then well we'll nail down the date. 569 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: We're planting the seed, planning the seed. 570 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 3: I'm just excited for everyone to finally see the quist's 571 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 3: amazing costumes. 572 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: That's definitely gonna. 573 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: Happen, that's true. 574 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 3: We just things I'm going to have to start working 575 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 3: on right away. I'm going to be there. 576 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: So how will our first Facebook live turn out? 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