Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama. Girl drama, girl,
Speaker 2: all about them high school queens.
Speaker 3: We'll take you for a ride.
Speaker 4: And our comic girl cheered for the right teams.
Speaker 2: Drama Queens up girl fashion.
Speaker 5: But your tough girl, you could sit with us.
Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, drahn the
Speaker 1: Queens Drama Queens.
Speaker 6: You, guys, welcome to this episode five sixteen.
Speaker 4: Crying won't help you now. When did it air? Hillary?
Speaker 6: It was May fifth, two thousand and eight, Sinkle de Maaya.
Speaker 3: We had no fun in this episode, but perhaps we
Speaker 3: went out for Margarita's this day after word.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Peyton Sawyer took a whole ass flight to New York
Speaker 6: City for a day.
Speaker 4: She sure did. That's such a move, such a power.
Speaker 3: Move to confront someone on the other end of a flight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll talk about we'll talk on so well.
Speaker 3: Peyton confronts Lindsay about who Lucas really loves. In this episode,
Speaker 3: Lucas investigates Dan's heart condition while Haley struggles with whether
Speaker 3: or not to let Dan into Jamie's life. Nathan ores
Speaker 3: Quentin to reinvent his game, and Brooke is learning to
Speaker 3: juggle her career with life as.
Speaker 4: A new mom.
Speaker 3: Plus Peyton's trying to assuage her guilt over Lucas's breakup,
Speaker 3: and our very own Marvin McFadden gets his first shot
Speaker 3: at being a sports anchor.
Speaker 4: I loved that. Yeah, that was a fun storyline to watch.
Speaker 4: Did this air after like a break? Because there was
Speaker 4: a lot of exposition in this, like resetting things up.
Speaker 3: Maybe because it's the first episode in May. Don't kids
Speaker 3: have spring break in April?
Speaker 4: I feel like amnesia during spring break?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but if they take us off the
Speaker 3: air for you know, two or three weeks to sort
Speaker 3: of cover all the rotations of spring break in the
Speaker 3: in the you know schools, I do feel like wasn't
Speaker 3: it always April was a big month for us in
Speaker 3: Wilmington where people would come yeah and like be outside
Speaker 3: of said and watch us film and.
Speaker 4: Because that's what Isaiah Festival was.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do think it might have been that sort
Speaker 3: of rolling delay of two or three weeks they would
Speaker 3: take off to cover all the spring breaks so the
Speaker 3: ratings wouldn't dip. It does feel like a catch up episode.
Speaker 4: I My favorite line was actually in the last episode
Speaker 4: when Nathan says to Dan, maybe you should have thought
Speaker 4: of that before you shot my son's great uncle. Like, no,
Speaker 4: they're saying there's no jump. Our fantastic producer just jumped
Speaker 4: in and said, there was not a jump. Listen, we
Speaker 4: just needed to re establish some canon events.
Speaker 3: Okay, we just needed to repeat ourselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, rather than Nathan say, well, you should have shot
Speaker 4: it up before you shot Keith, before you shot his
Speaker 4: great uncle.
Speaker 3: It's such an odd thing to say.
Speaker 4: Or by the way, before you shot my uncle. We
Speaker 4: were just talking about the exposition about having to like
Speaker 4: remind everyone like we're all related here and I'm a
Speaker 4: business woman.
Speaker 7: In case you're just tuning in for the first time
Speaker 7: I ever.
Speaker 4: Maybe we were trying to capture new people. I don't know.
Speaker 7: Could have been I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought the standout for me in this episode
Speaker 4: was Lucas Scott with the Zingers, because Lucas had so
Speaker 4: many zippy little lines that would like end the scenes
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, writer, boys got some sence.
Speaker 3: I loved it too, because so often that character is
Speaker 3: written as being like really soft and introspective and he
Speaker 3: was just punching people verbally in this episode, and I
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 4: I thought it was so great.
Speaker 3: And it was a nice It was a nice side
Speaker 3: of him. It was nice to see him be mad.
Speaker 3: It was nice to see him, yeah, you know, have
Speaker 3: feelings that weren't all intellectual.
Speaker 4: It was cool.
Speaker 7: I liked Lucas a lot in this episode, and it
Speaker 7: was fun to see he was in his Uncle Keith
Speaker 7: plaid shirt, Uncle Keith vibes.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: He was just kind of taking care of business just
Speaker 7: the same way that Keith did in this episode, I
Speaker 7: feel like, you know.
Speaker 4: And Keith always had a sassy line. He did.
Speaker 7: He just had that sense of it was always the
Speaker 7: alpha move at the end of the day. Like Keith
Speaker 7: was so settled back in his gut, in himself, and
Speaker 7: I liked that about Luke. I mean, aside from the
Speaker 7: Lindsay thing, which was tough, but Lucas was in his
Speaker 7: gut in this episode. He really felt comfortable with who
Speaker 7: he was and what he thought and had no problem
Speaker 7: saying it. I liked it. Yeah, it was actually kind
Speaker 7: of an understated performance I thought too. From Chad just
Speaker 7: so settled.
Speaker 4: Well, that's it.
Speaker 6: He didn't hammer it, but when they're talking about Dan
Speaker 6: potentially dying when he's talking to Haley and.
Speaker 4: He goes, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Speaker 5: More deserving guy?
Speaker 4: Yet?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also just about fainted when they're at the
Speaker 3: beach house and Dan's trying to push Lucas about HCM
Speaker 3: and say, you know, you know what this is like
Speaker 3: essentially you're my son that got it and he says
Speaker 3: to him that without a transplant, they'll be dead within
Speaker 3: six months.
Speaker 4: And I wrote down.
Speaker 3: Lucas's line, but you're dead to so many of us already, Dan,
Speaker 3: so really, what does it matter?
Speaker 7: Oh brutal savage.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 7: He's been waiting to say that for a long time.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 4: The zippiness was used for good, not just evil in
Speaker 4: this episode because in the scene with Brooke where she
Speaker 4: says thank you for being here for us, and he
Speaker 4: says thank you for letting me like again, like he
Speaker 4: he is the punctuation of the scene and it's a
Speaker 4: strong final word and it's not like it's not overwhelming.
Speaker 4: It's just a boy that knows, a young man who
Speaker 4: knows what he wants and knows that he wants to
Speaker 4: be the good guy and he's going for it.
Speaker 7: It's a funny Fridian slip though, because when you think
Speaker 7: about him as a boy, he was so different than this.
Speaker 7: Lucas on his own as a boy was not handling
Speaker 7: things well. Was always search you just was He needed approval,
Speaker 7: he needed whatever a girl was around that he was
Speaker 7: pining after. And yeah, he loves Lindsay. He's not sure
Speaker 7: what's going on with Peyton, but he's not lost in it.
Speaker 7: He's still he's centered in himself, and I really like
Speaker 7: seeing that in Lucas.
Speaker 3: And I also like, you know, to your point that
Speaker 3: things weren't overly communicated or hammered so hard in this episode.
Speaker 4: I like when.
Speaker 3: Somebody can mirror your honesty and your vulnerability back to you.
Speaker 3: And I remember really liking the way that scene felt
Speaker 3: when Chad and I were shooting that scene with the
Speaker 3: baby at the end of the you know, heart doctor
Speaker 3: visits and whatnot. Because Brooke doesn't let a lot of
Speaker 3: people really be there for her. She's in this season
Speaker 3: where she's really showing up for everyone, but she's not
Speaker 3: asking for a lot, and that's something that I certainly
Speaker 3: work on in therapy.
Speaker 4: No baby let us in, you know.
Speaker 3: And I've had that moment with friends where I where
Speaker 3: where when you express gratitude that someone has shown up
Speaker 3: for you and they remind you that they will show
Speaker 3: up if you let them. It's like, oh, it's so
Speaker 3: it's so authentic and it's so true, and it was
Speaker 3: It was nice, I think because the baby gave, you know, offer,
Speaker 3: really a device for Brooke to open up. And it's nice. Again,
Speaker 3: we talked about this a couple of episodes ago, but
Speaker 3: when you see people experiencing these healthy platonic friendships, yes,
Speaker 3: just another nice dynamic to watch. It's like, not everything
Speaker 3: has to be romance or drowning or car crashes. Like
Speaker 3: you can just show up for your friends and help
Speaker 3: them through things. And I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 7: And it's not always a threat, yeah, to have that
Speaker 7: platonic friendship, even if though you used to be together
Speaker 7: and there was some complication like it, it's not a
Speaker 7: threat to still be friends later and have you know
Speaker 7: each other. Actually, there's the comfort in it that's really
Speaker 7: valuable in having someone who knows you that well. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I saw that between them.
Speaker 4: Maybe we've just met Haley and Lucas like ten years past.
Speaker 4: They're romance. Like I bet when they were six years old,
Speaker 4: everyone was like Hailey and Lucas sitting in it and
Speaker 4: we're just seeing them ten years out.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they were probably each other's first boyfriend and girlfriend,
Speaker 7: maybe first kiss.
Speaker 4: For sure, like kindergarten bestie.
Speaker 3: Cans on the playground.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so now that we get to see Brook, you know,
Speaker 4: almost it's not quite ten years out, but you know
Speaker 4: some years out, they get to mirror the Hailey Lucas
Speaker 4: relationship in a great way because you know, once you
Speaker 4: reach that place with Lucas, it's forever. He's so loyal
Speaker 4: to those people in his life, and so it's good
Speaker 4: to see that set up and that was full display
Speaker 4: in this episode.
Speaker 3: And how interesting that you say that because Haley with Peyton.
Speaker 3: I loved those scenes with you guys. Oh the fact
Speaker 3: that you share with her that you told Lucas not
Speaker 3: to Mary Lindsay before the wedding, and yeah, you read
Speaker 3: that book and you you know the way that subcon
Speaker 3: the subconscious and our feelings get into our work as artists.
Speaker 3: And you're like, no, no, I see the writing on
Speaker 3: the wall and everybody's trying to say that that's not
Speaker 3: what it is. It's it is really interesting because you
Speaker 3: see that decades of friendship between them and you just
Speaker 3: going like, I don't know what this ding dong's doing,
Speaker 3: but the two of you are both being stupid and
Speaker 3: you need to figure it out.
Speaker 4: What an episode for Lucas Scott just the crux of
Speaker 4: every drama, the Dan stuff, the Lindsay stuff, the baby stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Haley and Nathan trying to figure out what you do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he was at everything.
Speaker 4: We've touched on a lot, but Dan in the graveyard
Speaker 4: putting the bigger headstone, with the mega sized headstone, but.
Speaker 7: The photo, I mean, all of it, all of it
Speaker 7: was just so good.
Speaker 3: His face on his headstone extra wild.
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, that's not cheap, y'all, that's expensive.
Speaker 7: He really spent money on that headstone.
Speaker 3: But guys, did we do that for real? Like did
Speaker 3: we have a headstone made or was that thing made
Speaker 3: out of a foam board that was styrofoam?
Speaker 4: Surely must right weighted, had to be weighted. It didn't
Speaker 4: look like styrofoam. I mean it had a sheen.
Speaker 3: It looked heavy, and it was on an actual crank.
Speaker 4: In someone's yard somewhere, you guys, just like in a
Speaker 4: warehouse is Dan Scott's tombstone.
Speaker 7: Someone should open up a one Tree Hill coffee shop
Speaker 7: in Wilmington and get a hold of these props and
Speaker 7: you could have like the headstone that you go sit
Speaker 7: at the table with the headstone in it, or maybe
Speaker 7: it's in the garden in the back somewhere that you
Speaker 7: can go.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 7: It'd be so fun to see these props out.
Speaker 3: It would be really cool.
Speaker 4: I know someone who is like a headstone engraver, like
Speaker 4: that's their family business, and they have samples at the
Speaker 4: stone yard if like these are what these things look like.
Speaker 4: And I'm just hoping whatever company facilitated that prop still
Speaker 4: has it as the sample in their yard so that
Speaker 4: grieving families come through and they're like, is that potr handsome?
Speaker 7: The photo killed me.
Speaker 3: We just thought you could use a little joy in
Speaker 3: this very hard time. This is a moment of levity
Speaker 3: for you. If you were a fan of the CW
Speaker 3: in the early adds, come have a giggle.
Speaker 4: Would you like a photo? You know?
Speaker 3: What was interesting to meet too about that is the
Speaker 3: scene felt serious. Paul is really in this serious, introspective
Speaker 3: energy as an actor. As Dan, he cannot accept that
Speaker 3: he can't have another chance. It's all very beautifully played.
Speaker 3: It's really a motive. The voiceover is really emotional. You know,
Speaker 3: this man talking about how you know once he dies
Speaker 3: and he's reunited with his brother, his world would be
Speaker 3: whole again.
Speaker 4: And then his smiling face.
Speaker 3: I was like, is this supposed to make me feel
Speaker 3: emotional or is this supposed to be funny. I'm having
Speaker 3: two separate experiences at the same time.
Speaker 7: This feels like a moment in the production office when
Speaker 7: somebody said, get a photo of Dan for the headstone,
Speaker 7: and that's the only one we had, and literally it's
Speaker 7: whoever whatever closest photo was. It was like, here's a
Speaker 7: photo of Dan, and somebody just did it. I bet
Speaker 7: you anything. They walked into set that day and was.
Speaker 4: Like, it's the one from the car dealership. Shoot, oh
Speaker 4: my god.
Speaker 3: It was the car dealer desk on motor's photo from
Speaker 3: the billboards.
Speaker 6: Guys, can you imagine putting like your LinkedIn photo on
Speaker 6: your headstone?
Speaker 7: I mean it is kind of very Dan, isn't it though?
Speaker 7: But even because he's such a vampire. Even in spite
Speaker 7: of all of the all of the things that he
Speaker 7: says that he wants, it's really still just all about
Speaker 7: him and the performative things he's Again, I wrote this
Speaker 7: down because when he was talking to Nathan, I need this,
Speaker 7: I need this piece before I die, it was like
Speaker 7: another thing you you need, not showing up like what
Speaker 7: can I do for you before I go? What can
Speaker 7: I how can I facilitate? What can I? I need this?
Speaker 7: I such a vampire god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The script on the headstone struck me. What was he
Speaker 4: because it's like a stamp phrase like all the time
Speaker 4: it said loving husband, brother and father and being a
Speaker 4: goth kid, I've spent a lot of time in graveyards,
Speaker 4: and what I noticed was that it was a loving father,
Speaker 4: not a beloved father, husband, son.
Speaker 7: That is only something you would have noticed.
Speaker 4: He brilliant, could love everybody all day long, but no
Speaker 4: one loves him back. Yeah, and that's really the message
Speaker 4: that keeps getting reiterated over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: It should say, if you've lived your life correctly, should
Speaker 4: say beloved person. And Dan's just not there.
Speaker 7: Ooh that is keen buddy.
Speaker 4: But then Jamie's asking for him. That's the other you know,
Speaker 4: we don't have necessarily love triangles because the Lindsay Peyton
Speaker 4: Lucas one is kind of weird. The keep the lovers
Speaker 4: apart storyline that we used to have in the high
Speaker 4: school years is Jamie and Dan. Yeah, Haley, how's that line?
Speaker 4: What are we gonna do about Jamie and Dan?
Speaker 3: And the way that it moves into friendships, like even
Speaker 3: joy when you go to see Hill and you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be recording and by the way, sidebar, the entire
Speaker 3: set of Red Bedroom Records is brick and ivory. You're
Speaker 3: both wearing brick and ivory tops. I was like, are
Speaker 3: we I.
Speaker 4: Literally made a note of it.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, everyone's in red and
Speaker 3: white and the studio is red and white, and it
Speaker 3: looks like a Christmas movie.
Speaker 4: It's a white stripes music video. It honestly was so wild.
Speaker 3: People just like go back and look at it and
Speaker 3: made me giggle. The two of you facing off on
Speaker 3: the same color shirts with like the walls matching. You
Speaker 3: notice that, Yeah, it was like it was like when
Speaker 3: you see those things in Architectural Digest of like very
Speaker 3: hoity toity East Coast homes and they have the like
Speaker 3: red and white wallpaper with the ladies and dresses, and
Speaker 3: then it's like on the bed spreads and you're just like,
Speaker 3: who sleeps there? Anyway? Who sleeps in this room? I
Speaker 3: don't understand, But I loved that they gave you guys
Speaker 3: a way in to talk about it because of Peyton's
Speaker 3: story being an adopted kid asking about how she felt
Speaker 3: about her father, really trying to go to the one
Speaker 3: person you know who has any version of this experience
Speaker 3: as an adult, who can look back in hindsight and
Speaker 3: maybe offer you lessons for your own young child. I
Speaker 3: just thought it was so nice, and it gave us
Speaker 3: a window into Peyton that we hadn't really seen before
Speaker 3: with the way she talks about her dad. And then
Speaker 3: for you to be able to share what was happening
Speaker 3: with Dan and Jamie, It's not dissimilar to what we
Speaker 3: were doing in high school when we would talk to
Speaker 3: each other and be like, well, what are you going
Speaker 3: to do about that? And I don't know, it felt
Speaker 3: nostalgic and fresh at the same time. I thought it
Speaker 3: was a really cool scene.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all the stakes got really heightened when Dan said
Speaker 7: I'm dying because it's you know, it's easy to it's
Speaker 7: easy to be mad at him for plenty of reasons.
Speaker 7: But when you know you actually may only have a
Speaker 7: finite amount of time left with someone, how much does
Speaker 7: that impact the decision that you've made about the place
Speaker 7: that they hold in your life. And that's it's I
Speaker 7: like watching everybody wrestle with it with the real deal
Speaker 7: of like, okay, honestly, the last chance, possibly last chance
Speaker 7: if he's not lying and if a dog doesn't eat
Speaker 7: his heart in the hospital.
Speaker 6: I love that process of everyone going through like not
Speaker 6: buying it right, because it's.
Speaker 4: Like, okay, tell me more.
Speaker 6: Dan, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But also, hey, okay, just back to the Jamie and
Speaker 7: Dan thing. He writes this beautiful card to his grandpa Dan,
Speaker 7: and Hayley throws it in the garbage, I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: painfully throws it in the garbage. But also I'm like,
Speaker 7: as a mom, no, oh, I've found had a couple
Speaker 7: of things that Maria was like, save that I drew
Speaker 7: that fripple, you know, and I'm like, you've drawn one
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty five other things that I have of yours.
Speaker 7: You really don't need this stick figure and I throw
Speaker 7: it up.
Speaker 5: But you don't throw it out in the top of
Speaker 5: the garbage.
Speaker 4: The top of the garbage.
Speaker 5: The kid's gonna open.
Speaker 3: No, you gotta bury it, crumple it, you wrap it
Speaker 3: in a paper towel, you bury it in the trash.
Speaker 4: Come on, rookie, move rookie. George had a fit yesterday
Speaker 4: because she had made these little action figures out of paper,
Speaker 4: like drew them and cut it down, and they're just
Speaker 4: like all over my kitchen counters and I'm trying to
Speaker 4: make dinner. So I neatly clipped them together and put
Speaker 4: them on the refrigerator. And that's not where they live.
Speaker 7: Oh no, where do they live.
Speaker 6: They're supposed to live all over the counter? She freaked out. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you can't. You can't outwit a five year old.
Speaker 7: I feel like this is going to come back to
Speaker 7: bite Haley in the ass. I feel like in the
Speaker 7: next episode he's opening up the garbage righted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, greed. It was too convenient, even the way that
Speaker 3: they shot it, with you putting it in the trash.
Speaker 3: I was like, we're presenting this to the camera, We're
Speaker 3: presenting a disaster waiting to happen.
Speaker 7: Here, how would he ever trust his mom again?
Speaker 4: Dan Move Hayley. Way to not value your child's wishes.
Speaker 7: Dag, I mean at least like keep it for a minute,
Speaker 7: stick in the car, or like put in the attic he.
Speaker 4: Took a day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, even if kids this this storyline with Brooke
Speaker 7: and the baby, baby Angie is just so beautiful. I
Speaker 7: loved such a soft like so when I was watching
Speaker 7: you in the doctor's office, it felt so realistic to
Speaker 7: watch like a twenty twenty one year old young girl
Speaker 7: just like scared, just so scared of what this actually
Speaker 7: is and what it means and feeling the weight of
Speaker 7: all that. Yeah, I thought that was great. You know,
Speaker 7: I think it would have been really easy to be
Speaker 7: try and be more mature broke about it. But being
Speaker 7: able to see broken a place of that the little
Speaker 7: girl that she didn't really get a chance to be
Speaker 7: and now she's scared and she needs her friend and
Speaker 7: she cares about this baby so sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel nice looking back at it to
Speaker 3: see a kid who doesn't know much about this, You
Speaker 3: know that The lol for me was like since obviously,
Speaker 3: since we've shot this, like I've literally played a heart
Speaker 3: surgeon I'm like, yeah, the heart.
Speaker 4: I was like, and we're gonna start to talking about
Speaker 4: the heart lung machine.
Speaker 3: And then he was like, and there's a thing called
Speaker 3: the heart lung machine. I was like, there we go.
Speaker 4: I was like giggling to myself while I was watching
Speaker 4: the thing. And you know, I've.
Speaker 3: Spent the last three months like continually investigating and reinvestigating
Speaker 3: my own heart, like figuring out what my sort of
Speaker 3: post viral complications were from from the thing that we
Speaker 3: all got so sick with in London. And I like,
Speaker 3: I literally have like marks all over my chest and
Speaker 3: my ribcage where the last set of electrodes got pulled
Speaker 3: off after a CT scan I had because apparently I'm
Speaker 3: allergic to the adhesive. I look insane.
Speaker 7: No, yeah no.
Speaker 3: And I was like, it looks like I've been burned
Speaker 3: all over myself with like the biggest cigar you've ever seen.
Speaker 3: And I was like, God, I was like, this is
Speaker 3: pretty wild to like, I don't know, look back from
Speaker 3: this vantage point having done it for work and going
Speaker 3: through it personally in my own life and then going
Speaker 3: back and I'm like, oh, I love that we didn't
Speaker 3: try to make her look like she knew anything. I
Speaker 3: love that we we didn't put Brook in the space
Speaker 3: where she was like, I've read everything and I know
Speaker 3: that it's this. I like that she just got to
Speaker 3: be scared and say is there any other way? Are
Speaker 3: there any other options? You know it? It felt nice
Speaker 3: to just let her be a kid.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, and she also really was handling things when
Speaker 7: she went into the boardroom, which I liked that we were.
Speaker 7: It was so interesting to watch the exploration of that
Speaker 7: because it's just so different now, I think, I mean,
Speaker 7: I hope it's different in a lot of spaces for women,
Speaker 7: but watching the you know, she's just walking into a
Speaker 7: boardroom with a baby. That to me, that feels so
Speaker 7: much more acceptable now than it did back then. That
Speaker 7: the scene felt very on point for the early odds,
Speaker 7: but the idea of women just not being allowed to
Speaker 7: be women, but then also this juxtaposition of okay, it's
Speaker 7: your personal and professional life. There's a line, but where
Speaker 7: is the line and how do we when is it
Speaker 7: appropriate to let them merge and when is it not?
Speaker 7: And I loved how at the end it all just
Speaker 7: she was like, look, you hold the baby. I'm going
Speaker 7: to tell you about it. She just took control the
Speaker 7: whole situation and went fully forward, like fully into twenty
Speaker 7: twenty three. It's like, let me just tell you all
Speaker 7: how this is gonna go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was definitely blazing trails. I loved it.
Speaker 4: She pulled them in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is the thing. It's like, when people exist on the outside,
Speaker 4: it's really easy for them to be like, oh yuck.
Speaker 4: But by putting that baby in the grumpy lady's lap,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, now she's responsible for this meeting
Speaker 4: going well as well, And there's like she has a
Speaker 4: vested interest in it, Like, well, I don't want to
Speaker 4: be the one to make those babies. I remember taking
Speaker 4: like I had Gus two years after this episode, and
Speaker 4: I remember taking him with me to like auditions and
Speaker 4: producer meetings because I didn't have any other option. And
Speaker 4: I remember horrified reactions like there are casting directors that
Speaker 4: were just like, what what is this? I was like,
Speaker 4: it's a baby.
Speaker 5: You ever seen one before?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll be fine, He's totally fine.
Speaker 5: How did those go? By the way, Like, were those
Speaker 5: was it?
Speaker 4: Were they did they get over it?
Speaker 5: Or were they still like it? Were they still.
Speaker 7: All feeling weird about it?
Speaker 4: By the time you left, it's looked at. It was
Speaker 4: looked at as a demerit, right, So whether people set
Speaker 4: it out loud or not, or were rude to you
Speaker 4: or not, it was a demerit because it meant, oh, well,
Speaker 4: this actress is actually going to have to find childcare
Speaker 4: and we're going to have to get a nanny ticket
Speaker 4: if we hire her. You know, there's just like certain
Speaker 4: things that become it's a complication for the production. And
Speaker 4: what's cool now is that, like there's enough women in
Speaker 4: positions of power where it's like, oh no, here's our
Speaker 4: production office and that's actually the childcare room where we
Speaker 4: have a nanny that takes care of everyone's kid. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, that's what we have here in the Hudson
Speaker 4: Valley that Mary Stuart Masterson built. You know, when you
Speaker 4: have women in positions of power, the structure is handled
Speaker 4: beforehand so that things like kids are not a problem.
Speaker 3: Well, and what's that's so interesting to me is when
Speaker 3: you look at when you zoom out and you see
Speaker 3: the way that things get better for us when women
Speaker 3: are in charge, and when women are in powerful positions,
Speaker 3: they get better for everybody because think about how many
Speaker 3: kids we got to watch grow up in the nine
Speaker 3: years we did our show, and how many of the
Speaker 3: men on our crew would bring their sons and daughters
Speaker 3: into work. And I just think about, you know, like
Speaker 3: Kathy and Mike Rail and us all getting to babysit
Speaker 3: their daughter Ava. And I think about, like, well, if
Speaker 3: Kathy had to travel for work, what would it have
Speaker 3: been like for Mike to have had a room like
Speaker 3: that on sets so that he could have brought the
Speaker 3: baby into work. Like it isn't just the moms who
Speaker 3: get dinged and look down on and people go, oh,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to deal with her kids. It's like
Speaker 3: the dads also have to suffer it a little more silently. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's just not good for families in general.
Speaker 7: And this business is so the hours are notoriously long
Speaker 7: in this business. So it should be such a no
Speaker 7: brainer that if you want to work in this either
Speaker 7: you want to work in this business, don't have a
Speaker 7: family or a personal life, or work in this business
Speaker 7: and help facilitate so that the people who work for
Speaker 7: you are happy because they have a home and a
Speaker 7: family life, and their kids are happy because you're providing
Speaker 7: a space.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's any business too, Like people who work
Speaker 4: in the restaurant industry never get to go to their
Speaker 4: kids soccer games because there it's dinner time.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: Like there's a version of it in every industry where
Speaker 4: if your profession is helping you take care of your kids.
Speaker 4: Like if that company that Brooke was going to meet
Speaker 4: with had the daycare room in their building, we're going
Speaker 4: to drop Danngie off, right, and it would have just
Speaker 4: been standard procedure. Yeah, and so yeah, the.
Speaker 6: More chicks at the top of.
Speaker 4: The pyramid, the easier that's going to be for everyone.
Speaker 4: But baby Angie was a star in this media. That
Speaker 4: baby is so cute, like just delicious.
Speaker 3: She's just you just want to squeeze her. She's like
Speaker 3: a little Pillsbury dough boy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that baby.
Speaker 3: When you think about this idea of if more women
Speaker 3: were in power, in a way, what Brooke is doing
Speaker 3: is changing the narrative of that experience. You talk about
Speaker 3: Hillary a young woman saying no, you're not gonna ding
Speaker 3: me because of my kid. You're actually gonna do better
Speaker 3: because I have a kid. Your business is going to
Speaker 3: benefit because we're going to build a whole universe around kids,
Speaker 3: Like this one, and I just I love it. It
Speaker 3: was that's big energy even now and it's like it's
Speaker 3: that is like some big feminist energy for two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight. I'm here for it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I love it. Look, if Haley had had it
Speaker 4: at work, we would have avoided the entire nanny carey.
Speaker 7: See, it's like a stalkers crazy.
Speaker 4: So if was it hard to do?
Speaker 7: You remember it was it hard to get the baby
Speaker 7: to smile at the end in that last scene.
Speaker 3: No, what was actually wild is we it was hard
Speaker 3: to have her not smiling. Oh you know by now,
Speaker 3: I'd been hanging out with her for so long. She
Speaker 3: was like my little buddy. And so we would we
Speaker 3: would film her and I would like, do the bare
Speaker 3: minimum and I would look away. I wouldn't make eye
Speaker 3: contacting nurses. She'd be staring waiting for me to look
Speaker 3: at her. So we'd have to capture a lot. And
Speaker 3: if she'd smile, we'd have to wait and then let
Speaker 3: her get bored. And so it's a really interesting thing.
Speaker 3: You know, no matter what you need a kid to do,
Speaker 3: they're just doing what they want to do. You can't
Speaker 3: look at any.
Speaker 4: Be like stop smiling, you know, told smile. Wait was
Speaker 4: it twins? I thought it was twins playing baby Angie.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I'm googling it right now.
Speaker 3: I think Angie was just one baby, but maybe I
Speaker 3: think there was.
Speaker 4: I mean with Jenny, we went through like so many
Speaker 4: different babies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like for a time they got another baby.
Speaker 3: But as they were growing, like one of the angiees
Speaker 3: was really chunky and delicious and one of them was
Speaker 3: like a cute. She was growth spurting, so she got skinnier.
Speaker 3: And then it was like, because it isn't working, they
Speaker 3: don't look like the same baby.
Speaker 4: You know, we've got baby Jenny at the conventions. I
Speaker 4: would love to see grown up Annie. Yeah, I would
Speaker 4: love that.
Speaker 3: I wonder what she's doing.
Speaker 4: That's probably how Brooke Davis is feeling right now. Right
Speaker 4: where's baby Angie?
Speaker 3: But I'd love to know where she is, sweet little girl.
Speaker 3: I loved that baby. It is also really interesting to
Speaker 3: have baby energy on the show because we are in
Speaker 3: this sweet season with Jackson where he's you know, he's
Speaker 3: been with us for almost a year. He's growing into himself.
Speaker 3: He's getting so comfortable as an actor. I mean, the
Speaker 3: way he delivered that whole bit with you Joy where
Speaker 3: Jamie's reading his birthday card to Grandpapa from memory killed me, Like,
Speaker 3: he is so present and so sweet and you can
Speaker 3: give him any direction at this point and he'll do it.
Speaker 3: You know, do this one sad, let's laugh while we
Speaker 3: do this, whatever it might be. And then yeah, you've
Speaker 3: got this views out.
Speaker 7: You're like, how do we get her to stop smiling?
Speaker 7: Jackson was having so much fun, and him and James
Speaker 7: had gotten such had built such a great relationship by
Speaker 7: then too, that they were not that it was ever
Speaker 7: not it was just you know, we all it just
Speaker 7: takes time.
Speaker 3: It got deeper.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it gets deeper.
Speaker 7: And so it always felt like they had their own
Speaker 7: fun little games going on it. James was so interactive
Speaker 7: with him all the time, and it really did start.
Speaker 7: It was starting to really feel like a family with
Speaker 7: a little idiosyncrasies and stuff. And Nathan really grew up
Speaker 7: in this episode. To me, I felt like he was
Speaker 7: so much more grown up than I had seen him
Speaker 7: in a while, just the way that he was handling
Speaker 7: everything with Dan really internally processing where Lucas was having
Speaker 7: his outbursts, not in a petulant way, but he was
Speaker 7: externalizing his frustration. But Nathan seemed to be really processing things.
Speaker 7: He was giving Quentin advice, taking on that older brother,
Speaker 7: fatherly figure role he was. When Dan did keep pushing buttons,
Speaker 7: that was his only outburst. But then he was thoughtful
Speaker 7: and came back to him and had a very decisive
Speaker 7: conversation with him, like, I am a man now, and
Speaker 7: this is how I'm going to handle this situation.
Speaker 5: It wasn't reactive.
Speaker 7: It wasn't the way a young man, a young impetuous
Speaker 7: boy handles things. It was a man.
Speaker 4: The manliness was maybe that totally awesome black leather varsity
Speaker 4: jacket he was wearing. Great.
Speaker 3: I loved that. Guys.
Speaker 4: I don't typically like zoom in on wardrobe, but that jacket,
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, made him look charge and handsome.
Speaker 7: Yep, was grown out. Good look you had some good
Speaker 7: wardrobe too, that angels An Airwave shirt.
Speaker 5: By the way, no.
Speaker 4: Pants, no pants, man. Here's the thing. I like this episode.
Speaker 4: I liked this episode. We had so much repetitive information,
Speaker 4: and I still liked the episode because it just felt
Speaker 4: like home.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I remember shooting this episode. I specifically remember shooting that
Speaker 4: scene because anytime they make us wear like less clothing.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it just like sticks in my brain. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I remember kind of having my feelings hurt. How
Speaker 4: quickly Lucas got out of that apartment. I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: no pants on? Why trying to be so respectful? Thought
Speaker 4: you liked me? Yeah, he really did scoot out of there.
Speaker 4: For the quickness, It's like, cool, gotta go any What
Speaker 4: I liked about this is Peyton was just here to
Speaker 4: serve other people's storylines this episode, and sometimes that feels
Speaker 4: nice as an actor, where it's like, hey, we're all
Speaker 4: playing a team sport. Like Peyton sits.
Speaker 6: Down with Brooke and how's the conversation about, Like I'm
Speaker 6: here to.
Speaker 4: Help you with Angie by the way, and it gives
Speaker 4: Brooke an opportunity to explain, like what's going on. And
Speaker 4: then she's with Haley Yeah, and it's like, let's talk
Speaker 4: about dads, right, Let's just get this out in the open.
Speaker 4: And then she goes and has this conversation with Lindsay,
Speaker 4: which is so funny.
Speaker 7: Wait, I wrote this down walking into Lindsay's office, we
Speaker 7: suddenly went from One Tree Hill to Dynasty because the
Speaker 7: two of you looked so jaw droppingly gorgeous. The lighting,
Speaker 7: the ways of shits so different. No, I'm telling you
Speaker 7: your bone structure was all like Mikayla should always wear
Speaker 7: violet silk shirts. Like everything was just so beautiful.
Speaker 4: I was in dude, we were dressed in the same
Speaker 4: collars and we look so much alike that it feels
Speaker 4: like there's like a freaky version of this where we
Speaker 4: find out that we're related since adopted. It's like the
Speaker 4: parent trap grown up.
Speaker 5: It's so wild.
Speaker 3: And I made a note about the lighting too. I
Speaker 3: was like, God, Peter Koulski with these it's just killing it.
Speaker 3: But you guys in this sort of gentle face off
Speaker 3: looking so similar and you're just mirroring the same truth
Speaker 3: to each other. You're like, he said yes to you,
Speaker 3: and she's like, it's not me who has to make
Speaker 3: a decision, it's you. And she gives you the book
Speaker 3: and you're both trying to to like throw the hot
Speaker 3: potato at the other.
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the name of the episode potato.
Speaker 4: It has to do lucas you hot potato.
Speaker 5: Luca Scott is a hot potato.
Speaker 2: She did.
Speaker 7: She was like, have you even read the book? I
Speaker 7: love that she called you out on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, I never thought to ask.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's nice as an actor when you know that you're
Speaker 4: seeing partner has to deliver a whole bunch of shit
Speaker 4: and you're just supposed to like tee up the ball, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: and then let them go with it. And maybe that's
Speaker 4: why I like this episode because.
Speaker 7: It's also real life though. That's yeah, it's real life.
Speaker 7: It's the comfort of ordinary, everyday life. And I like
Speaker 7: our episodes that are like that. Sometimes we have a
Speaker 7: lot of drama on the show, and we have a
Speaker 7: lot of the exposition stuff, but the episodes that really
Speaker 7: just live in tree Hill and just live in our
Speaker 7: daily life in tree Hill, those feel comfortable. That feels
Speaker 7: like putting on an old sweater. And this episode, I mean.
Speaker 3: There was so much in this, Like I'm looking through
Speaker 3: my notes and my god, there's so long. But there
Speaker 3: were things that happened in this that I just thought, God,
Speaker 3: more of that. When Quentin goes to see Skills in
Speaker 3: the basketball office, yeah, and apologizes for his behavior, and
Speaker 3: Skills gives him the sort of in side scoop and
Speaker 3: talks about how as their coaches, as their mentors. They
Speaker 3: look at the big picture and at what's best for
Speaker 3: these kids. And he says to Quentin, you have to
Speaker 3: trust us. We'll do whatever it takes to get you
Speaker 3: where you want to be.
Speaker 4: In all caps, I was like, that is a good teacher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that sort of mentorship that watching Antoine play
Speaker 3: that with Robbie made me feel so emotional and nostalgic
Speaker 3: for the teachers who shaped my life. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I was like, God, I want to watch this movie.
Speaker 3: I want to watch Antoine be the basketball coach and
Speaker 3: you know, Nathan come in and help the one kid
Speaker 3: on the team. I just their whole storyline and all
Speaker 3: the conversations that these men and boys were having with
Speaker 3: each other, even the way that in that gorgeous sunrise
Speaker 3: scene on the river court.
Speaker 5: Oh my guy wrote that down too light, and.
Speaker 3: The way they and their vulnerability and the kind of
Speaker 3: clashing of male ego with like the vulnerable reality of
Speaker 3: injury and mortality.
Speaker 7: And Quentin needing a parent figure or like a mentor figure.
Speaker 3: Yes, And it was so beautiful. And then when he
Speaker 3: comes back around in the gym at the end and
Speaker 3: apologizes and also says if I'm going to do this,
Speaker 3: you have to do it with me, and they have
Speaker 3: this you know, don't call it a comeback.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I got a lot o show.
Speaker 5: So good.
Speaker 4: But that also was indicative to me.
Speaker 6: You know, Quentin's held had so many outbursts, and it's like,
Speaker 6: this is a kid that needs a mentor.
Speaker 4: This is a kid that needs a mentor. What I
Speaker 4: saw in this episode is that he has a strong
Speaker 4: influence at home because that child on his own went
Speaker 4: and apologized to a grown up. Amen, that's right, and
Speaker 4: went to thank someone.
Speaker 7: Yeah he didn't have to, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: And so what that meant to me is like, oh,
Speaker 4: there is someone at home who has laid some groundwork
Speaker 4: for him, yeah, and he just needs somebody to back
Speaker 4: it up in this school environment. Yeah. I loved seeing
Speaker 4: a teenage boy do that modeling.
Speaker 7: That was great. Yeah, I do you know what it
Speaker 7: made me think, though, I wish that we had spent
Speaker 7: a little more time getting to know the other younger
Speaker 7: basketball players to feel like I was invested in that
Speaker 7: storyline more because I was watching skills in Antoine I
Speaker 7: mean sorry, sorry, skills in Lucas do the coaching and
Speaker 7: just talking, talking, them up and pumping them up. It
Speaker 7: felt like I care about our I care about our boys,
Speaker 7: I care about Skills in Lucas, but I didn't care
Speaker 7: about the moment because I don't know who these younger
Speaker 7: kids are that they're so invested in.
Speaker 4: Well, we cared about Nathan and Lucas showing up in
Speaker 4: high school because we knew that it was the only
Speaker 4: way for Skills to go to college, right, Like we
Speaker 4: knew what the stakes were for other kids on the team,
Speaker 4: and if Quinton doesn't play, we don't know what the
Speaker 4: stake for any of these other kids, and they probably
Speaker 4: have the same you know, issues that we had. Yeah,
Speaker 4: god knows. We've only been out of high school for
Speaker 4: what five years? Six years? Four?
Speaker 3: We're twenty two.
Speaker 7: Yeah, only four yees yeesh.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the Dan manipulative stuff because there were
Speaker 4: so many triggers for me in this episode. When Dan
Speaker 4: says I just wrote in all capital letters, so manipulative.
Speaker 4: When Dan comes and tells Nathan that he tried to
Speaker 4: kill himself, Oh, which is that's a threat?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: It's like, Hey, I tried to kill myself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, saying that to your child, Come on, and the
Speaker 6: whole speech about like and it was a sign that
Speaker 6: I wasn't finished. So now it's like, Nathan, don't get
Speaker 6: in the way of this sign I was given by
Speaker 6: my suicide attempt.
Speaker 7: This is pro evidence the gods have designed it this way.
Speaker 7: Don't get there.
Speaker 4: You know you mentioned, you mentioned the whole like, I
Speaker 4: need to fix it. This is a me thing.
Speaker 6: But then the scene on the basketball court where Dan
Speaker 6: sees him and is like, don't be upset, don't be mad.
Speaker 6: I'm proud of your accomplishments. I don't want you to
Speaker 6: live a life of regret.
Speaker 4: It's just all of this messaging that the love is
Speaker 4: accomplishment based and I have to get your game back
Speaker 4: in order to have closure with you, Like why can't
Speaker 4: I have closure with you if you're not playing basketball?
Speaker 4: And oh, the whole thing was very triggering. Yes, it
Speaker 4: was so hard to watch.
Speaker 3: Dan in his manipulative way, trying to be gentle but
Speaker 3: essentially demanding that Nathan returned to sport. Really felt to
Speaker 3: me like this man panicking that he wouldn't have a legacy.
Speaker 3: You know, if my son isn't playing, what's my legacy?
Speaker 3: And I was like, ugh, so much pressure that you
Speaker 3: that you can put on your kids. And it's just
Speaker 3: I was watching these this video the other day that
Speaker 3: this woman made talking because I think it's relevant, you know,
Speaker 3: whether you have kids or not, but talking about the
Speaker 3: differences between carpenter parents and gardener parents, and they're like
Speaker 3: these two philosophies of parenting, which I think can apply
Speaker 3: to the ways we have to reparent ourselves, right like
Speaker 3: when we're doing grown up work, and the idea that
Speaker 3: gardener parents are there to like sow the seeds and
Speaker 3: nurture and let their kids grow into whomever they're going
Speaker 3: to be, and carpenter parents want to build you in
Speaker 3: an exact image and like cut and shape and saw
Speaker 3: and hammer and make sure that the kid becomes their
Speaker 3: ideal version of a person. And I was like, God,
Speaker 3: Dann Scot's a fucking carpenter. Yeah, I was just so
Speaker 3: mad at him.
Speaker 4: He's masonry man, he's setting bricks and mortars, mason parent gool.
Speaker 4: He still looks great, though, which is a bum out
Speaker 4: want to be mad at. Okay, I also need to
Speaker 4: talk about someone who looks great. Goth Haley in this
Speaker 4: episode with the super dark hair, dark and there Goth
Speaker 4: Haley is doing it for me. I don't know when
Speaker 4: your hair got that dark, but I love it.
Speaker 5: I don't know either, what did we have a break?
Speaker 5: Did we?
Speaker 7: Why is it all of a sudden? The next episode
Speaker 7: is so dark? But it did? It looked good. I
Speaker 7: liked my hair in this episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes your eyes pop.
Speaker 7: I feel like we finally figured out what the color
Speaker 7: was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: I'm glad y'all liked your hair mine. I hate so
Speaker 3: much that I can't even like focus on what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, wh who let me have that haircut?
Speaker 3: I was not good.
Speaker 4: That's how I feel about all of season two. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you didn't have a power mullet? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, honestly, yeah, I love a power mullet. I'm
Speaker 3: not mad at it.
Speaker 4: Accidental mullets.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a fine line between a mullet and a shag, fine.
Speaker 4: Line across that. I don't mind the haircut, but I
Speaker 4: know what it feels like to not like what will
Speaker 4: live on the internet forever, and so I hate this
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 7: You know who's got great hair, though, Millie.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, let's do this. This is a high note.
Speaker 7: High ny note for sure, And like when's the episode
Speaker 7: for me? Just the way that she holds herself. She's
Speaker 7: got all this new character development happening. She's so fun
Speaker 7: and chill, and she just keeps thinks simple lo drama.
Speaker 7: She's supportive, but she does She's not a pushover and
Speaker 7: she knows what she wants. I just love her, man.
Speaker 4: She's dynamic on screen. And what I like is that
Speaker 4: I can when she says a line, I can see
Speaker 4: it on the paper right, and I can see how
Speaker 4: I would get up right she has. She has a
Speaker 4: line where she uh, she's reading the teleprompter and she
Speaker 4: gets to I love you Marvin, and the way I
Speaker 4: couldn't have done it if my life depended on it,
Speaker 4: and she delivers it so simply and so believably, Like
Speaker 4: I believe every single thing she says.
Speaker 7: She's a marvelous actress.
Speaker 3: And again, I just don't know how we fit so
Speaker 3: much into this episode.
Speaker 4: All of Mouth's.
Speaker 3: Sweet scenes and him getting bolstered by his new boss,
Speaker 3: you know, being given a shot because he's seen his tape.
Speaker 3: And then I loved the way that they shot Millie
Speaker 3: and I in the store being.
Speaker 8: Like, oh guy, he's on TV, and then being like oh,
Speaker 8: this is very bad. That was so great, This is
Speaker 8: very bad, and her going to him I felt so
Speaker 8: I was really struck.
Speaker 3: When Lisa started repeating to Lee the whole bit about
Speaker 3: what he told her that first time at the station
Speaker 3: and why he loves sports and what it means for
Speaker 3: the underdog.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's also why I love sports.
Speaker 3: Like, there were so many things in this episode that
Speaker 3: made me cry, and I don't know, watching them is
Speaker 3: just so fun and you're right, Joy, It's like it's
Speaker 3: like pure it's just purely good, and it's so refreshing
Speaker 3: on a show with as much drama as ours to
Speaker 3: just have some people that are like good and kind
Speaker 3: and happy.
Speaker 5: I love seeing Mouth get what he let go of.
Speaker 7: He walked away from that job in order to build
Speaker 7: a relationship with this woman, and look it came right
Speaker 7: back to him in a different form. But oh yeah,
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 4: William H. Brown wrote this one right. Yeah, even the
Speaker 4: line to get into the Mouth storyline where that boss
Speaker 4: walks in and is like, do you have a voodoo doll?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What a great line.
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I just love a left field line that
Speaker 6: feels natural.
Speaker 5: Like normal people talk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dug that and there was a point when Lee
Speaker 6: was like nervous and he makes this face and oh
Speaker 6: my god, it was his son. Oh when we hung
Speaker 6: out with them over the summer and George and Lee's
Speaker 6: son were jumping on the bed and got caught and
Speaker 6: his son was like row like that face of.
Speaker 4: Yeah uh oh.
Speaker 9: To see it on Lee and and be like, oh
Speaker 9: my god, you guys are twins. When it was so
Speaker 9: cute to see the little boy in mouth because he's
Speaker 9: always been trying to be like the cool guy. He's
Speaker 9: always trying to seem older, you know, and to see
Speaker 9: him just be so small and young and scared.
Speaker 7: I couldn't believe he choked. I really thought he was
Speaker 7: gonna do so great. I completely forgot what happened.
Speaker 3: I did too.
Speaker 4: It was painful, Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I forgot what happened, and I
Speaker 3: shot scenes reacting to him choking, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, because I'm so used to him being
Speaker 3: so good at it, and it was such an I
Speaker 3: thought that was such a nice choice, you know, for
Speaker 3: the writers to give him something he needed to overcome,
Speaker 3: and to be able to give Milly that runway to
Speaker 3: go and support him. Like just watching them is so fun.
Speaker 7: Here's something interesting that made me think about Milly, because
Speaker 7: she's so watching her talk to mouth and be hold
Speaker 7: that supportive space. She does the same thing with Brooke.
Speaker 7: It's a real gift of hers to be able to
Speaker 7: be fully present in a room in a stressful situation,
Speaker 7: to not freak out, to be able to support the
Speaker 7: people that need support. And she doesn't have a desire
Speaker 7: to be in charge of things. She's really comfortable in
Speaker 7: her personal gift of holding space that she does. And
Speaker 7: it made me think about how often I think in
Speaker 7: culture and especially as women, well, I guess actually, I'm
Speaker 7: sure it's for men too, this thing that we're told
Speaker 7: about climbing a ladder, like you have to you want
Speaker 7: to keep moving up, keep going into the next position,
Speaker 7: to higher and higher and high. And so many people,
Speaker 7: I think, find themselves in jobs and positions where they're like,
Speaker 7: I don't want to be a manager. I'm not good
Speaker 7: at managing people.
Speaker 4: I boss lady too hard, yeah, you know, or whatever
Speaker 4: whatever the role is.
Speaker 7: Like, what happened to just finding a space that you're
Speaker 7: really good at and just being the best at that?
Speaker 7: And I see that in MILLI yeah.
Speaker 4: So if you got a jump, Hey, what was your
Speaker 4: honorable mention before you leave?
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's hard because part of me thinks it's the
Speaker 3: mouth and Milli dynasm. But also for me, like that
Speaker 3: scene with Nathan and Q on the River Court, who
Speaker 3: said it was going to be easy that it's like
Speaker 3: that line kind of feels like the honorable mention to me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm I'm all over the place. I
Speaker 3: loved it too.
Speaker 4: I'm too emo about this episode to pick good episode.
Speaker 4: Listen your handsome heart doctor. I thought that's what you
Speaker 4: were going to say going on a date with this guy. Hello.
Speaker 4: I thought for sure Brooke was going to kiss that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, let's this was a great setup,
Speaker 3: especially when he asks who Lucas is and he says
Speaker 3: just a friend.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, here we go, and then nothing
Speaker 4: robbed again. We don't know, we don't know what.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You're right, she hasn't had surgery. Yeah, we'll see they
Speaker 3: get coffee.
Speaker 4: All right, you go, We're gonna bye by myself. I
Speaker 4: love you.
Speaker 7: My honorable mention was Millie. But I have to say,
Speaker 7: as she said the River Court, I mean just the
Speaker 7: River Court, like looking at it that way, the reminder
Speaker 7: of what how we started, what that river Court is,
Speaker 7: what it means, what it looks like. And then hearing
Speaker 7: Gavin's voice come in. It was some really smart tie
Speaker 7: ins to just remind us of where we are and
Speaker 7: why this place is so important.
Speaker 4: My honorable mention is aim instant messenger. Listen. I got
Speaker 4: so nostalgic when Lucas is on his laptop at the
Speaker 4: end and you had a buddy list.
Speaker 6: Yes, and you can see people on there who were
Speaker 6: actively avoiding you.
Speaker 4: You when they were on there just not wanting to
Speaker 4: talk so awkward.
Speaker 7: We've built our whole society now around avoiding awkwardness so
Speaker 7: that nobody has to ever feel awkward with each other.
Speaker 4: You know, I had that private button on every app
Speaker 4: I have on every whatever. I'm like, can't read this
Speaker 4: text message, you can't do it.
Speaker 7: The fact that people have read or like on their
Speaker 7: text messages so that I can see when they've read
Speaker 7: my message, Why would you?
Speaker 5: I would? Now it's always off.
Speaker 4: Now, No, I want you to know that I've read it,
Speaker 4: and now I'm just actively avoiding you.
Speaker 7: I'm way too add for that, No way and like.
Speaker 4: And the fact the fact that Lucas sends her the
Speaker 4: message request or the video chat request, and instead of
Speaker 4: just ignoring it and closing her laptop, she actually hits
Speaker 4: the decline button.
Speaker 7: Yeah, instead of just Lindsay is unavailable, it's declined. Yes,
Speaker 7: she's sending a strong message.
Speaker 4: Laptop open and went to a different room.
Speaker 7: Man, she's sending a strong message. Well, she's sure. I mean,
Speaker 7: she sure is sure, which sucks.
Speaker 4: It's so weird for Peyton because she is such a
Speaker 4: consolation prize, Like, no way, he's really going for it
Speaker 4: with Lindsay. And it's only when he's getting this firm
Speaker 4: no that he's like, you're.
Speaker 7: Saying, you feel like Peyton would feels currently like she
Speaker 7: would be a consolation prize. Ah, okay, absolutely.
Speaker 6: If the dude that you loved, yes is pining after
Speaker 6: this check, all he wants in the world is this check.
Speaker 4: You've gone to talk to this check.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: Peyton reads the book at the end of the episode,
Speaker 4: But what's she gonna do go to Lucas and be like,
Speaker 4: so I read the book and I see what everyone's
Speaker 4: saying that it's me.
Speaker 7: No, I mean, I see why Peyton feels that way
Speaker 7: and why that would be true of the situation currently,
Speaker 7: But I don't. I don't see that as the truth
Speaker 7: about at all, about who Peyton is, but also their
Speaker 7: relationship in the long haul. It just means that Lucas
Speaker 7: is not he can't see it, and she shouldn't be
Speaker 7: in a relationship with somebody who doesn't see how amazing
Speaker 7: she is. So it's like, I'm not gonna get together
Speaker 7: with you while I'm a consolation prize.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna wait.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna wait till you actually understand.
Speaker 6: I literally have no idea how this is going to work.
Speaker 6: It like, I don't either, I have no recollection.
Speaker 4: I don't know what Peyton's going to do, no, not
Speaker 4: with this information, she said there cry and reading that manuscript,
Speaker 4: I'm like, how do you Having written a book, it's
Speaker 4: very personal, and you don't give advanced copies out to
Speaker 4: people until it's like, you know, check check check, check check,
Speaker 4: everything's good. And and I don't know how you naturally
Speaker 4: bring up in conversation. So I got on a flight
Speaker 4: and spoke to your ex who left you because I
Speaker 4: caused so many problems. And she still doesn't want to
Speaker 4: get together with you. But she let me read the
Speaker 4: book and apparently you love me. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think that works.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen. What is
Speaker 7: the move? I think you just live with it. You
Speaker 7: just have the information. You can't tell him you read it.
Speaker 4: She's just going to get on Aim because apparently Lucas
Speaker 4: is they're just trolling for somebody.
Speaker 7: Now, She's going to go find something better to do
Speaker 7: with her time. That's oh, that's what Peyton always does.
Speaker 7: She's so good at that.
Speaker 4: It's like, nah, busy, let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: This week we are asking who is most likely to
Speaker 6: get brought up on stage at a concert? Well, we
Speaker 6: know who it is in real life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hold that trophy.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, in the show, who would be getting brought
Speaker 7: up on stage? I mean Peyton.
Speaker 4: No, Peyton's already backstage.
Speaker 7: She's not going to be in the crowd. I just
Speaker 7: I'm What I'm picturing is like Peyton watching a band
Speaker 7: that she's serious about and really like, not she's not
Speaker 7: a groupie, but like one of the players in the
Speaker 7: band really noticing her and thinking that girl is amazing.
Speaker 7: How do I get in touch with her. I'm going
Speaker 7: to try and bring her up on stage, but actually
Speaker 7: she wouldn't go, would she.
Speaker 4: No, she wouldn't. Peyton missed all of that hook up
Speaker 4: with dudes and bands time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's such like a vital stage in a twenty something's life.
Speaker 4: At least it was for me, and I'm sad that
Speaker 4: she missed it because it could have been awesome.
Speaker 7: Well who would it be in real life?
Speaker 4: It would be someone so fun, Bev. That's it. It's
Speaker 4: like it's the girl who's in the front who knows
Speaker 4: every single word and they're like, we gotta get this
Speaker 4: dim you know thing going up here, Bevan. It's fun
Speaker 4: girl energy. Yeah, it is, Bevin. She just went to
Speaker 4: some like some like super cool concert that Casey Muskgraves
Speaker 4: put on for like ten people. I just saw her
Speaker 4: when I was in Wilmington. She's like, I just got
Speaker 4: back from hanging out, and I'm like, of course you did,
Speaker 4: because you're fun so fun. All right, Well you guys
Speaker 4: are the fun girls. That is our most likely too.
Speaker 4: What do we have next week?
Speaker 7: Next week? Season five, episodes seventeen. Hate is Safer than Love?
Speaker 7: So true?
Speaker 4: So wise ain't that a truth.
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