Speaker 1: I think it's well known by this point that, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not hugely a fan of children. They're wonderful little
Speaker 1: little things that can follow you around and a loud
Speaker 1: and carry disease, but not at your house. The other
Speaker 1: day and I was I came back and I told
Speaker 1: Sue the story about ad They're coming out and transforming
Speaker 1: into the Hulk. Yeah, but halfway through transforming into the Hulk,
Speaker 1: trying to pull up the bottom of his pants and
Speaker 1: pull up his sleeves so that it looked like he
Speaker 1: was ripping out of his Hulk clothes. But he couldn't
Speaker 1: get it, so he broke character in the middle and
Speaker 1: You're like, do you need help? He's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: need helps and over paused. He paused the performance. You
Speaker 1: wocked over. You tucked up both his little little shorts,
Speaker 1: little pants, and then the little sleeves, and he instantly
Speaker 1: jumped back in ter and he came back in and
Speaker 1: it was one of the cutest things I've seen in
Speaker 1: a very long time. I was immediately one of the transition.
Speaker 1: And then he was like trying to pull the pants
Speaker 1: back down to normal, and he was getting frustrated with that.
Speaker 1: You know, I love so funny got his commitment, like
Speaker 1: I love. He kept looking at his hands like yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like the realization of the transformation is happening,
Speaker 1: but the breaking character in the middle to be like
Speaker 1: help mommy, and he was perfect. It really was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's pretty great. He's he's really performative. Whenever
Speaker 1: writer talks about Indie and his performative nature, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have one of those two. Like he's definitely he really,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you guys saw him at his worst too.
Speaker 1: He woke up from his nap. It wasn't a very
Speaker 1: good nap. He's not feeling well. He like hid for
Speaker 1: basically what forty five minutes from you guys didn't want
Speaker 1: to cry if I left the couch and then went
Speaker 1: into the other room, got into a better mood, and
Speaker 1: then came out. And you guys just saw him at
Speaker 1: one of his best. It's like, it's just so literally
Speaker 1: just described an actor. I cried on a couch forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. Dad, person, who's going to help me fix
Speaker 1: these clothes? I walked away, I got centered, I found myself.
Speaker 1: I came back out and I performed just what we're saying. Oh,
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is this is hitting very close to home.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, thank you for sharing that, Will,
Speaker 1: because I did. I did worry that at some point
Speaker 1: you were going to be like, I don't know, burning
Speaker 1: from the inside. Many children anything, it's being around them,
Speaker 1: and they're very funny and I get to see moments
Speaker 1: like that. It makes me love when I come home
Speaker 1: and they're nothing exactly not. I don't mind being around
Speaker 1: kids at all. I love kids. I love do we do? Joe,
Speaker 1: you are so good with kids too. You sat right
Speaker 1: down with Ada and played the drums with them, and heck, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love kids. And y'all, we have been quite busy
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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, do you like somewhat play the drums? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Don't you remember he used to play back in the day.
Speaker 1: I remember you had a drum while Yeah you didn't
Speaker 1: know that, do you remember don't you remember the shoot
Speaker 1: we did that one time where we all had to
Speaker 1: be a band. Now do you don't remember? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: so there's there's got it's got to be out there
Speaker 1: somewhere because it was either an ABC promo or T
Speaker 1: G I F promo or something. But they brought us
Speaker 1: to a place and we were all a band and
Speaker 1: I started on the drums. Danielle, you were playing guitar
Speaker 1: or singing? Writer? You were on guitar. Ben was doing
Speaker 1: just lip syncing. What was the deal? I just remember
Speaker 1: if there was vaguely familiar. I mean I feel like
Speaker 1: I had been in a situation multiple times where it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, just be a rock band and do that,
Speaker 1: and you were doing video? Yeah what was that? And
Speaker 1: then in the meantime and like in between one of
Speaker 1: the takes, you jumped on the drums and actually played
Speaker 1: something and everyone was like, oh, like you can actually
Speaker 1: play the drums. I have a vague memory of you
Speaker 1: having a drum set. Now that we say that, did
Speaker 1: it have like silencers on it, like pads on pads,
Speaker 1: pants on it? Yeah? Remember my house and Encino when
Speaker 1: you stick there, there was like a play room like that.
Speaker 1: It was like off. The garage was like just a
Speaker 1: room for the couches to hang out, and I had
Speaker 1: my drum kid in there, and I took lessons from
Speaker 1: a really great teacher. Um. Yeah, there was a there
Speaker 1: was a lighting designer on our show called named Darryl Pelagius.
Speaker 1: Remember remember dar Daryl was right, and I became really
Speaker 1: good friends with him. And Darrow was really big in
Speaker 1: the music scene because he did he lit um a
Speaker 1: lot of musicians. He had done Frank Zappa's shows, and
Speaker 1: he had been Tom Waite's lighting designer, and so he
Speaker 1: introduced me Tom Waits, which like changed my life when
Speaker 1: I came up. Yeah, and Darryl like he was the
Speaker 1: first person to like talk to me about music and
Speaker 1: like when he found out that I was interested in
Speaker 1: music and the drums, he like immediately did research found
Speaker 1: like three amazing drummers who like usually didn't teach classes,
Speaker 1: and was like, all three of these guys are good,
Speaker 1: and like cooked me up with this amazing drum teacher.
Speaker 1: I just didn't stick with it. It's such such a bummer.
Speaker 1: It's like I once took guitar lessons and it hurt
Speaker 1: my fingers. I did that with the bass. I wasn't
Speaker 1: good the first day, so I quit the same Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't very good and it hurt, and I was
Speaker 1: like not going to commit to this, I know. So
Speaker 1: what I remember what what what's crazy to me to
Speaker 1: think about, is that I started taking drum lessons while
Speaker 1: we were on Boy meat The World that what fourteen
Speaker 1: fifteen or whatever, and I remember thinking it's too late.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna like, I'm never going to be a musician,
Speaker 1: Like in retrospect, like that's when you really learn how
Speaker 1: to be a musician. Is like your you're a teenager,
Speaker 1: and like even you have some musical background or even
Speaker 1: starting fresh at that point, you can still become a
Speaker 1: great musician. But because of our success at Boy Meat's World,
Speaker 1: I think I was already in the mindset like I'm
Speaker 1: too old to like start a new career or like
Speaker 1: do something new, which is the career already, it's already
Speaker 1: a career. Ties I finally realized like, oh I can
Speaker 1: start something to do and do it. But it's I
Speaker 1: think it's something that happens when you're a child actor.
Speaker 1: Is like you kind of think like, oh, well, I
Speaker 1: have to be great at it. Right out of the gate,
Speaker 1: and it has to happen really early, and if I
Speaker 1: don't reach, you know, incredibly high success, then I must
Speaker 1: be bad fail. And it's like, no, you could be
Speaker 1: good at something, wait until your thirties to finally succeeded it.
Speaker 1: But in that like, no one you could have explained
Speaker 1: that to me at the time. I was like, so
Speaker 1: that's why I probably gave up the drums, because I
Speaker 1: was just like, well, I could see other people being
Speaker 1: better at my age, and I was like, it's too
Speaker 1: late for me to learn this now. Did I have
Speaker 1: regular mut music growing up? In school? Like, we all
Speaker 1: had to pick an instrument, So I played the trumpet
Speaker 1: in the fourth and fifth grade and then I moved
Speaker 1: to like the drum. Did you have regular music classes
Speaker 1: like we did. No, I took piano. My mom signed
Speaker 1: me up for piano, but then I got into acting,
Speaker 1: and once I took over acting, I just didn't have time.
Speaker 1: But not in school. You didn't do band or choir,
Speaker 1: any of that kind of stuff in school. Excited I
Speaker 1: was out of regular school by fourth grade, fifth grade,
Speaker 1: which is like when you start really doing I guess
Speaker 1: Indians already started a little music stuff at his school.
Speaker 1: But I think that's unique. Usually sixth grade you had
Speaker 1: to pick, you know, you had to pick an instrument,
Speaker 1: and then you got into the band and then its
Speaker 1: first chair, second chairs. Smart to get to open kids
Speaker 1: up to like all the different instruments and be like,
Speaker 1: which one do you want to try? And you know
Speaker 1: you don't have to commit forever, but see if any
Speaker 1: of these speak to you. I have shout out to Connecticut,
Speaker 1: California kids. Yeah, that's play Connecticut instruments exactly. You carved
Speaker 1: them out of one piece of the cello. I'm watching
Speaker 1: alone right now, and it's basically just like watching my
Speaker 1: col in Cannadica. Welcome to Pond meets World. I'm Daniel Fishal,
Speaker 1: I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfred Doe. Our guest today
Speaker 1: is a very beloved member of Boy Meets World. Uh.
Speaker 1: His name is Matthew Lawrence. He played Jack Hunter for
Speaker 1: sixty nine episodes of Boy Meets World. He was Shawn's
Speaker 1: half brother and Eric's college roommate, and his first appearance
Speaker 1: was in season five, episode one called Brothers. Let's welcome
Speaker 1: Matthew Lawrence to the pod. Matt are you there? I'm here.
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? We can, we can hear you. Wow,
Speaker 1: look at how beautiful the trees are behind you. Oh thanks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of gardening lately. Wow, it's pretty.
Speaker 1: I'd love to take you around. I don't know if
Speaker 1: i'd lose internet, but I got like bananas and papaya's
Speaker 1: and all sorts of stub growing out there this year.
Speaker 1: Where do you live? Are you in Brazil? You all oaks? Okay,
Speaker 1: the Brazil of the valley, Priscilla, the valley. It looks
Speaker 1: like you're on a set. I'm waiting for pick up.
Speaker 1: Pick up the back and just move it, move it
Speaker 1: around like it's gonna walk out. All the all the
Speaker 1: green behind you is just gonna leave instantly. Wait, I
Speaker 1: have another question for you. Looking at the at the
Speaker 1: bananas and all of this gardening you've been doing, how
Speaker 1: much of this is because you have? How many iguanas? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true, Um I have. Well, the twelve babies have
Speaker 1: now become huge sow. I got twelve huge green iguanas.
Speaker 1: I got two Cuban iguanas, and uh a bunch of
Speaker 1: other things too. Guys, I got a little zood here
Speaker 1: right now do they get along or do you have
Speaker 1: to keep them separate? Separate, separate males. You can keep
Speaker 1: males together. Okay, So how out of the twelve, how
Speaker 1: many of them are males? Well, there's there's uh four,
Speaker 1: four males, and so those four have like their own habitats, cages, terrariums, greenhouses,
Speaker 1: the whole greenhouse. Do you have four greenhouses? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: buil Bill, four or four of them. Again, I'd love
Speaker 1: to take you, show you around. You have way more
Speaker 1: lizards than me. I think I wear more lizards than
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Like, do you sell them or
Speaker 1: are they so a lot of them are? I'm working
Speaker 1: with a lot of endangered species, so I don't really
Speaker 1: sell them. I keep them as a part of a
Speaker 1: genetic cool uh in case wild populations go down. We
Speaker 1: share animals and share genetics and things like that. She wow,
Speaker 1: that's so cool. I remember now, you haven't always been
Speaker 1: into Iguana's right, Like, No, it wasn't like a childhood love.
Speaker 1: It's something you kind of grew into later in life,
Speaker 1: right like a teenager. No, it started actually I was
Speaker 1: trying to I was telling the story to somebody the
Speaker 1: other day. Um, it started I was in Um. I
Speaker 1: was on the east coast, east southeast coast, and uh,
Speaker 1: I saw some little green and nolies those a little
Speaker 1: green little lizards you run anyway. Um And I remember
Speaker 1: we took a family trip there when I was like
Speaker 1: abound six or seven, and uh, I put them in
Speaker 1: I caught a male and a female and I put
Speaker 1: them in my pocket, took him on the airplane, brought
Speaker 1: him back some years loss cross. So my parents didn't know,
Speaker 1: nobody knew. Security didn't know they were gonna check. Like
Speaker 1: a six year old back in you know, eighties, you
Speaker 1: were muling. You were musling eighties. A great, a six
Speaker 1: year old iguana mule. That's that's the the news of
Speaker 1: the day. Great, yeah, man, Yeah, I'd like to go
Speaker 1: home shopping with you. So where okay, great, there's one bedroom,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Where am I going to put nine greenhouses?
Speaker 1: Can you show me that that property? Please? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's always been an issue. It's always been an issue.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, I'll say it, guys. If I
Speaker 1: didn't have them, I don't know. I uh, they pretty
Speaker 1: much saved my life a couple of times, many times,
Speaker 1: you know, going out there It's like the best decompression
Speaker 1: I've ever It makes me happy. I get that, like
Speaker 1: it's weird. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: force this on anybody else, but I get that, Like
Speaker 1: you know that like feeling you get when you see
Speaker 1: like puppies or babies or kids. That's the feeling I
Speaker 1: get when I see reptiles amphibians. I can't explain. No, Hey,
Speaker 1: if it works for you. When you said they've saved
Speaker 1: your life a couple of times, you're talking spiritually, right,
Speaker 1: because in my head, an army of iguana is coming
Speaker 1: to save you from something. It's pretty like the coolest
Speaker 1: he was joking. And the iguanas. You know, you're you're
Speaker 1: in the middle of a bank, somebody comes in and
Speaker 1: rob as. All of a sudden, all these iguanas coming,
Speaker 1: Like that's where my head goes, Yes, Matt, iguana army.
Speaker 1: So cool. Okay, So Matt, we want to start our
Speaker 1: our interview with you the same way we ask a
Speaker 1: lot of the same question we ask a lot of
Speaker 1: child actors. We know you come from a family of actors,
Speaker 1: but when exactly did you start acting? How old were
Speaker 1: you did you happen to be ten. No, it wasna.
Speaker 1: He's been working by that point, you know how. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a different situation for me a little bit
Speaker 1: because my older brother started Joe, yeah, like and he started,
Speaker 1: so we It's weird how we got into acting because
Speaker 1: we actually started out as a musical family. We were singing,
Speaker 1: dancing and tapping piano lessons. That's what we're doing. We're
Speaker 1: going into Manhattan, you know, doing all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then we were at this place called the will
Speaker 1: Grove mall uh and Joe was like maybe five or
Speaker 1: six and I was probably two or three. And this
Speaker 1: photographer came out of the little store. Why don't even remember,
Speaker 1: guys when your kids there was like a little photography
Speaker 1: miss yeah, there you go. Okay, so this this lady
Speaker 1: comes out on there. I have vague memories of it,
Speaker 1: and grabbed my mom's please take a picture of Joe
Speaker 1: my older brother. Her name was Cathy Ireland. Yea, yes,
Speaker 1: Well that picture got Joe a commercial, which got him
Speaker 1: on the Tonight Show. And then from there it just
Speaker 1: went and every time Joe did something, if they needed
Speaker 1: a flashback or if they needed a baby, it was
Speaker 1: me because I looked just enough like them, so and
Speaker 1: then and then I got my own I started my
Speaker 1: own career at three with Dynasty Baby on Dynasty. Gosh,
Speaker 1: I forgot you were the baby on Dynasty Baby on
Speaker 1: Dynasty jeez. So yeah, yeah, it just it just started
Speaker 1: that way, you know. So yeah, it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: weird as you know, guys, it's a weird it's a
Speaker 1: weird upbringing. It's an interesting road. You know. You have
Speaker 1: to kind of get every you don't get your your childhood,
Speaker 1: so you've got to kind of get it in at
Speaker 1: all different times in your life. So it's all strange
Speaker 1: and all over the place. But I don't know how
Speaker 1: you guys feel. I feel like I got it in.
Speaker 1: I just got it in a very different way. You know.
Speaker 1: You're also in a different category than the rest of us, though.
Speaker 1: It's like by the time you knew you were a person,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, I mean, what you're
Speaker 1: seven eight years old when you kind of wake up
Speaker 1: and go like, oh, I'm a human, You've already been
Speaker 1: in the business for five years. I mean it's uh now,
Speaker 1: I mean, is that something that when you look back
Speaker 1: on your career in the way you started. Is that
Speaker 1: something that you were happy with or something that if
Speaker 1: you if you kind of look back, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I could do that over again,
Speaker 1: or I was able to take myself out of the industry,
Speaker 1: I would have. You know, that's a that's a tough question. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I try not to have regrets. I try
Speaker 1: not to look back because every time I do, it's like,
Speaker 1: you got some problems? Yeah, what's the point? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I feel like I I've been so blessed and given
Speaker 1: so many experiences from it. I mean, who knows, I
Speaker 1: who knows who every would have gotten out of Philly.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the world experiences and things
Speaker 1: that I've been open to. Uh, and I've learned I
Speaker 1: would have gotten a chance to experience. So you know, yes,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's something, there's bad, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of good, you know, with everything. So it's just a
Speaker 1: very unique I don't know, I just looked at it
Speaker 1: as a very unique, unique upbringing basically. I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what though. The one great positive was that
Speaker 1: it really me and my two brothers. You know, we
Speaker 1: had that kind of bubble and that installation. So without them,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, man, I I really
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what I would have gotten
Speaker 1: caught up into. I don't know where I'd be. I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't still have been in the business, you know,
Speaker 1: because at different times in our lives we've taken up
Speaker 1: the slack with like, you know, let's let's stay strong,
Speaker 1: let's keep going forward. You know. Um. I did take
Speaker 1: myself out for the last, um the first couple of
Speaker 1: years when I got here, because I just want to
Speaker 1: go to school. I just I was in kind of
Speaker 1: the new school, and I came here as a whole
Speaker 1: new experience with the kids and everything, coming from like
Speaker 1: a Quaker school and like rural Pennsylvania. The kids here
Speaker 1: were so different. You know that. That was eleven or
Speaker 1: twelve after actually went after I did uh this one film,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna do a couple
Speaker 1: of years of school because these kids, like I just
Speaker 1: couldn't make any friends, you know. Um. And so you
Speaker 1: know that also kind of reinstilled the animal thing too,
Speaker 1: you know, the animals became you know, my friends. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's strange, guys, you know, kids look at you.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you go to school, your
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse, it's hard to make real connections. When kids
Speaker 1: go home and they see on TV maybe their parents
Speaker 1: are talking about you. It's like, yeah, we had we
Speaker 1: had Christine Lincoln on and she was talking a lot
Speaker 1: about how Christine and Stacy Keenan both talked about it
Speaker 1: that like being famous at school was like a liability,
Speaker 1: Like it was huge. You didn't want to be. You
Speaker 1: didn't want to be at all, and you and you
Speaker 1: wanted to talk with people and engage with people all
Speaker 1: so that they knew that you thought and knew that
Speaker 1: you were normal, and yet they wanted to ask questions,
Speaker 1: so you wanted to answer those questions so you didn't
Speaker 1: seem like you were avoiding anything. But then the other
Speaker 1: side of that is, oh my god, all she does
Speaker 1: is talk about, you know, her acting career. And so
Speaker 1: it is a very fine line to walk between wanting
Speaker 1: to answer your questions and wanting to be your friend
Speaker 1: and not wanting to seem standoffish. And there is it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of pressure, and
Speaker 1: especially at eleven or twelve and having just moved from
Speaker 1: Philly where you literally don't know anybody. That's a really
Speaker 1: hard adjustment. Well, as much as everybody wants to be popular,
Speaker 1: no eleven or twelve year old wants everybody staring at
Speaker 1: them in school. No, you don't want that. It's so Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything that makes you different is bad. I've always said
Speaker 1: when you're a kid, which is even if it's a
Speaker 1: great thing, I know it is, you know. You know
Speaker 1: what's funny is that you you see that too. Like
Speaker 1: the kids that are different, they tend to get bullied
Speaker 1: in school, but then later on in life they tend
Speaker 1: to go and change the world kind of thing. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like because I think had that solitude
Speaker 1: where they had to like really go inside themselves at
Speaker 1: a young age and figure things out. It's a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not it's it's a lot to
Speaker 1: go through. But before we jump into your time on
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World, what was your favorite project or character
Speaker 1: a role you did before Boy Meets World? What were
Speaker 1: you most proud of before you got to Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: That one would have to be missing outfire. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. Such a monumental um experience, not because
Speaker 1: the film was necessarily a hit or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just the people involved, I mean, and the timing
Speaker 1: in my life too, because I love Iguana's basically, you know,
Speaker 1: I I love dinosaurs, like dinosaur sheets and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And the cinematographer and the crew had just come off
Speaker 1: a Jurassic Park and I have known, yeah, I'd known
Speaker 1: about this, and of course because we had such an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing cast and crew, you know, Steven Spielberg would come
Speaker 1: down and he talked to me about your asked Park
Speaker 1: and they that I got to go to the premiere
Speaker 1: with them, and like that Actually was really stuck in
Speaker 1: my head because I didn't even know what I was
Speaker 1: getting into, and I just I think I was on
Speaker 1: my feet for most of the time in the theater
Speaker 1: when I'm moving planned. I couldn't even stay in my seat.
Speaker 1: It was the greatest experience. And then of course Sally Field,
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, a Peris Bros. And I mean they were
Speaker 1: all looking back, they were all so incredible. I mean,
Speaker 1: Robin never he never treated me like the little kid
Speaker 1: I was. I was an equal, I was another human being,
Speaker 1: you know. Um. Yeah, he stayed in my life for
Speaker 1: you know after that film man, they all did Sally.
Speaker 1: It's one of those once once in a lifetime I
Speaker 1: think experiences. Um, yeah, that one would be the one
Speaker 1: that's incredible. Man, That's exactly what I wanted to hear too.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you ask people about their favorite experience
Speaker 1: and it's and and then you're worried, like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: what if there's a bad story. I don't want to here.
Speaker 1: And then you hear something like that and you're like,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you want to hear. From being on
Speaker 1: the set of Mrs Dowfire, you know, that one was
Speaker 1: a dream. Guys, that was a real dream. So how
Speaker 1: did you hear about the role of Jack Hunter on
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World? And did you have to audition? Okay? So, um,
Speaker 1: this is how it came down. I was doing a
Speaker 1: show with my brothers called Brotherly Love. We got caught up.
Speaker 1: We were doing reasonably well, but we got caught up
Speaker 1: in a weird uh sale between We got grouped into
Speaker 1: a sale of like three or four shows from one
Speaker 1: network to another, and we didn't really like that, And
Speaker 1: then we didn't like where we were placed. So the
Speaker 1: relationship between our show and the New Network did not
Speaker 1: go very well, and so it we kind of pulled
Speaker 1: the plaw U. And right after that, I think Michael Jacobs,
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, the creator of Boy Mean Squirrel,
Speaker 1: I think he realized that our show was being pulled
Speaker 1: and that I was kind of a you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think he I think he called my mom,
Speaker 1: like directly, because I remember this was in that period
Speaker 1: to where I was like, you know, I might take
Speaker 1: another break. I might just go I might want to
Speaker 1: finished the last couple of years of high school. You know,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to play basketball really bad, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I might just do that. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: my mom was like, look, you gotta go and sit
Speaker 1: down with me and Michael for lunch. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I really want to
Speaker 1: play basketball, and she was like, please give it. You can?
Speaker 1: I also can? I ask and explained everybody, your mom
Speaker 1: is actually also your manager, right, yes, okay, at the
Speaker 1: time he was my my my manager. Yes, So him
Speaker 1: calling your mom wasn't just like you're gonna call and
Speaker 1: then your mom telling you to go have lunch wasn't
Speaker 1: just like a mom thing. She was working. That's true.
Speaker 1: That is true. She was working, she was working as
Speaker 1: my manager. Yes, so so he called her. So we
Speaker 1: went to lunch and uh man, he wouldn't let me
Speaker 1: say no. He just he just like he just worked
Speaker 1: you until you said yes. I kept I kept playing
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate, throwing things down, and he just he was Matt.
Speaker 1: You know, he talks like made no, not Maddie I
Speaker 1: walked out or going, I guess I'm doing that. I
Speaker 1: guess I got railroaded into a TV show. Say what
Speaker 1: you want about Michael Jacobs, but he certainly does not
Speaker 1: take no for an answer, So you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that he did that, though, guys, because again, you know,
Speaker 1: second up there probably behind you know, miss Steffires working
Speaker 1: with you all, and that experience that was that was
Speaker 1: that was pretty awesome. So I'm really glad. I want
Speaker 1: to know two things. One, it was part of his
Speaker 1: negotiation with you that you could play basketball with the
Speaker 1: Home Improvement Boys. Never came up. Real missed opportunity, real
Speaker 1: real missed opportunity. I have a question, So, Danielle writer,
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, because I know my answer.
Speaker 1: Did you did any of you know that Matt was
Speaker 1: coming on the show before we kind of started, because
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about it and we just got
Speaker 1: there and it's like and Matt Lawrences on the show.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, no, I don't think I knew either, wow,
Speaker 1: And they yeah, And it was it was like like
Speaker 1: I think table read day, like literally it was season
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, you have a brother, And
Speaker 1: I was like, didn't I already have because We've already
Speaker 1: done an episode with like Eddie or whatever, right, And
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, I've got another half brother. Okay, cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was a total I think it was
Speaker 1: a total last minute decision, because you know, because I
Speaker 1: think they really Yeah. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: was going on with your other show, Matt, but I
Speaker 1: bet you it was probably within like weeks, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you, I bet you, Michael found
Speaker 1: out you were free, grabbed you, and then like completely
Speaker 1: wrote you into the show, like yeah, because we'll think
Speaker 1: about it, man, Because think about it. You and I
Speaker 1: barely ever worked together even though we were brothers, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like they very quickly, they
Speaker 1: very quickly realized that the better dynamic was you and Will,
Speaker 1: like because you and me would be we were two
Speaker 1: straight men, you know, we were like neither one of
Speaker 1: us were going to be like the goofy, funny guy.
Speaker 1: We needed somebody to be bounced, and so it just
Speaker 1: didn't work. Even though so they had established a whole
Speaker 1: storyline with us as brothers. It was like besides Chet dying,
Speaker 1: where we got to work together and be dramatic like
Speaker 1: like that was it? Like we never saw it. It
Speaker 1: was the odd couple if both of them were Felix
Speaker 1: and it's like that doesn't that doesn't work. I think
Speaker 1: I think they just I think Michael was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's plug him Will, make him Shawn's brother. That kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense. And then they quickly realized like, no,
Speaker 1: this dynamic isn't as good as like you and Will.
Speaker 1: You know obviously it just I just Devil's advocate. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if the pairing with Will was always intended, like, man,
Speaker 1: we really had a missed opportunity of having two older
Speaker 1: brothers that could then live together, because then once it
Speaker 1: got to a place where Will was living on his own,
Speaker 1: it was like what if writer has an older brother
Speaker 1: that's in Will's age? And then they can be partners
Speaker 1: the same way Corey and Shaun are partners. That makes sense,
Speaker 1: that's maybe, But I just feel like it never, like
Speaker 1: literally never even got referenced that we were brothers after
Speaker 1: a certain yeah you yes, it's like occasionally yeah, like
Speaker 1: but when the chat episodes like that was basically it
Speaker 1: and like, but then otherwise, like when we're in college
Speaker 1: and we're talking about moving to New York, we're talking
Speaker 1: all the things that like come up, it's never like
Speaker 1: reference that we're brothers. It's so far it's such a
Speaker 1: just a forgotten thing. Um, okay, so we didn't know
Speaker 1: you were coming on the show, That's what it came down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you came in in season five, and similarly to the
Speaker 1: way we talked about having moved from Pennsylvania at eleven
Speaker 1: or twelve, starting a new school, not knowing anybody, how
Speaker 1: intimidating that can be. What did you were you feeling
Speaker 1: very similarly coming into a well established show in season five?
Speaker 1: Where were you nervous? What were your thoughts? What were
Speaker 1: your first impressions of us? Tell us your your first experiences? Um, well,
Speaker 1: a lot of it makes sense now knowing that you
Speaker 1: guys had no prep on me being there, which is crazy,
Speaker 1: but I mean I felt a bit awkward. Uh, definitely. Um,
Speaker 1: I was definitely nervous. Yeah, coming in. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, when you guys get into a flow of things,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like you're in a chief state. And
Speaker 1: then I'm coming in. You know, it was ross. It
Speaker 1: was really ross. You know. I remember the first run through.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think there was like hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty notes and hundred twenty seven of them on mine.
Speaker 1: I know that feeling I'll never forget, like walking out
Speaker 1: of there feeling just I was humilan. I was. I
Speaker 1: felt humiliated. I felt like, wow, I really I came
Speaker 1: on here and I really blew it, Like I I
Speaker 1: didn't maybe enough homework, I didn't watch episode I was,
Speaker 1: I was. I was really upset with my performance. Um.
Speaker 1: But then I started to realize that, you know, look,
Speaker 1: there's no way it's gonna take me at least to
Speaker 1: at least a month to even get close to where
Speaker 1: you guys were. So I was like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: just give it, you know, give it a few more,
Speaker 1: give it a few more, and then somewhere around like
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth episode, I feel like I started
Speaker 1: to finally find my feet with you guys. But no,
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys were great, now that I understand, Like,
Speaker 1: of course this would have been a little awkward for
Speaker 1: you guys as well, Like I'm sure they're all like,
Speaker 1: what is this new dynamic? So I but there was
Speaker 1: no there was no ill will at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys were all, you know, very welcoming and you know,
Speaker 1: all very nice. There was never anything like that. It
Speaker 1: was just a little bit awkward. I feel like I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like the new kid at school, you know,
Speaker 1: same thing. You and I got really well right off
Speaker 1: the bat because we were like thrown together. So true. Well,
Speaker 1: I also think will like you really wanted to be there,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this was this was the error
Speaker 1: when I was sort of like I want to get
Speaker 1: off the stupid TV show making movies and you know,
Speaker 1: like because that would have been fifth season, right, It's
Speaker 1: like I feel like that would have been like right
Speaker 1: when I was turning sixteen, I was definitely like I'm
Speaker 1: better than this or I'm cooler than this show, or
Speaker 1: I want to do I just wanted to be somewhere different.
Speaker 1: I just felt stuck. You know, I felt trapped, which
Speaker 1: is you know, I think just the plight of being
Speaker 1: a teenager in a situation that's felt out of my control,
Speaker 1: you know, like I couldn't. I couldn't. I felt like
Speaker 1: I wanted to I couldn't live my real life. And
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that would have been, sure,
Speaker 1: you know, like definitely that was the error when I
Speaker 1: was like I feel I felt trapped um and wanted
Speaker 1: to be off the show. Well, you also met you again,
Speaker 1: if memory serves you, you all met and worked with
Speaker 1: Matt before I did because I had to go to
Speaker 1: Disney put me on another movie. So I was shooting
Speaker 1: my date with the President's daughter, and I missed the
Speaker 1: first two episodes of the show, and then I came
Speaker 1: back and reshot the stuff with me. At had worked
Speaker 1: with him already for two weeks, and then I came
Speaker 1: in and it was like, he's going to be your roommate.
Speaker 1: Here you go your friends again. And then we were
Speaker 1: just shooting random scenes out of order for episodes that
Speaker 1: had already been shot. So it was even doubly kind
Speaker 1: of weird. No wonder you didn't feel like you were
Speaker 1: in a good flow it was. It was it was
Speaker 1: a brand new director that season. For whatever reason, that
Speaker 1: was the season that Alan Meyers, and we had never
Speaker 1: had him before, so it was like it was like
Speaker 1: it was it was for whatever reason. Fifth season was
Speaker 1: a complete shake up of our show. And I think
Speaker 1: like whenever when we started, we were all kind of off,
Speaker 1: like it didn't feel it did not feel like the
Speaker 1: comfortable same environment it had been up until that point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is which are strange. But then they you know,
Speaker 1: they threw us together and that dynamic obviously worked because
Speaker 1: after that first year. Was it after that first season
Speaker 1: that we did h double Hockey Sticks? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I mean they were instantly like, oh, you're now you're
Speaker 1: a comedy team. You're going to go do a movie together.
Speaker 1: It was okay, And the next thing, you know, where
Speaker 1: you and I are looking at each other like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're in vanco Her now okay. So it was weird
Speaker 1: that that's what Disney like, did you do more than
Speaker 1: one movie? Did you do two movies? We just did
Speaker 1: the one? Okay, yeah, we just did. But but it
Speaker 1: was that thing where that's what Disney did is they
Speaker 1: always tried to pair people up or see this is
Speaker 1: this dynamic is gonna work? Or they did it with
Speaker 1: musical acts, or it's like Nobody's Angels a perfect example
Speaker 1: where that was obviously some band that was trying to
Speaker 1: Disney was trying to launch, so it was like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put you on a show, um, and then you
Speaker 1: find them at a truck stuff. So yeah, very strange
Speaker 1: all the way around. I for one, just remember thinking
Speaker 1: it was very exciting to have a new really cute
Speaker 1: guy on set. Daniel was with the rest of us.
Speaker 1: Someone else have a crush on. Yeah, it's finally crush on. Right.
Speaker 1: That wasn't gonna you know, Eric was too old, but fine,
Speaker 1: let's open up the teen magazine and yes, open up
Speaker 1: a bop and throw a dart. One of them goes
Speaker 1: to be on our show. Yes, And then my mom
Speaker 1: and your mom became really good friends. And then I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to embarrass you, but I mentioned it on
Speaker 1: a previous episode that you and I then did end
Speaker 1: up dating while we were on Boy Meat's World and
Speaker 1: I went to your prom with you. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It wasn't a charity, thank you, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was make a wish. It was make a wish
Speaker 1: from a wish Lawrence Man. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: delve too much into it, but you both kept it
Speaker 1: kind of a known secret. I mean, it was a secret.
Speaker 1: We kind of figured something was going on, but it
Speaker 1: was pretty much you You kept it under wrapped. When
Speaker 1: exactly did you guys kind of start dating. Was it
Speaker 1: that first year? Was it the second year? That's a
Speaker 1: good question. It was the second year, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was season six, but maybe it was
Speaker 1: season five. I have a terrible memory, infamously terrible memory.
Speaker 1: If Matt, if I think, I had no clue, I
Speaker 1: think it was the second It had to have been
Speaker 1: the second season. Yeah, I think it had to have
Speaker 1: been season six, because because I know that there was
Speaker 1: a period of time before here. This is here's how
Speaker 1: I'm rationalizing it. There was a period of time before
Speaker 1: we started dating where we were just friends and our
Speaker 1: moms were friends and we hung out, but there was
Speaker 1: always like a little bit of like do we do
Speaker 1: we like each other? But also this is work, it
Speaker 1: feels weird, like maybe it's inappropriate. And then season six,
Speaker 1: so I think between season five and season six, that
Speaker 1: summer we started spending more time together, and then that's
Speaker 1: when we started dating. So when season six started, we
Speaker 1: were dating already, which is probably why you never really
Speaker 1: officially knew writer and it was it was a conscious decision. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so we were really good at hiding
Speaker 1: it now. But I think I was also at that
Speaker 1: point going to call it. Like I started going to
Speaker 1: sixth season, I would have started going to college, so
Speaker 1: I was. I was never on set before noon. Remember
Speaker 1: they worked out my schedule, so I was only there
Speaker 1: from like twelve, so I was kind of checked out.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, we had a good time with you guys,
Speaker 1: but I did not, like I was not as enmeshed
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere of the show for this last two years.
Speaker 1: Matt slipped and told me one day, really, yeah, one day,
Speaker 1: like you were just you said something were It's like no,
Speaker 1: and then we're just but you know, with hanging out
Speaker 1: with Danielle, and I was like, wait, what like nothing, nothing, no,
Speaker 1: one don't look over here. We weren't trying, like Will said,
Speaker 1: it was a known secret. We weren't trying to hide
Speaker 1: it from anybody. But we also didn't want to be unprofessional.
Speaker 1: It was very important to both of us that we
Speaker 1: were professional. And we also recognized that just because we're
Speaker 1: dating now doesn't mean we're dating forever. And we have
Speaker 1: to work together, and we don't know how long this
Speaker 1: is going to go on, either the show or the relationship,
Speaker 1: and so let's just to at least make a promise
Speaker 1: to each other that no matter what happens when with
Speaker 1: our relationship, we will always be able to work professionally
Speaker 1: with each other and remain friends. And so it was
Speaker 1: it was a conscious decision. But I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time with your family over the course of the season.
Speaker 1: I got to know your family so well. They always
Speaker 1: have such a special spot in my heart. And then,
Speaker 1: like you know, Andrew is now a grown man, a director,
Speaker 1: he's like and yet he was little Andy like when
Speaker 1: I you know, back then he was a little boy's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's yeah. It's very touching. Actually I remember
Speaker 1: that the wild stuff is coming back talking to you guys. Wow,
Speaker 1: period in my life and in our lives. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So I have to ask, did you because you alluded
Speaker 1: to it a little bit, but did you watch Boy
Speaker 1: before you were on it? Good question. I always get this,
Speaker 1: you know, I was not really, I wasn't a television
Speaker 1: watch I the stuff I like the PBS, all the
Speaker 1: nature dogs, you know, um, Wild America, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I don't know, I wasn't a
Speaker 1: TV watcher. Yeah, but you knew of it. You knew
Speaker 1: of the show. Of course I knew of it. I
Speaker 1: mean I knew of you guys. I'd seen pictures, I've
Speaker 1: heard about you. It was I mean, we were in
Speaker 1: the same you know. It was like the same circle
Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah, we must have met before that, right, Matt.
Speaker 1: I mean we must have met at something. I'm sure something.
Speaker 1: I definitely met Joey. It's something. But yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like we all did. You guys have been to the
Speaker 1: set before. In my mind with Will dating JENNAVANOI we
Speaker 1: must have that there, right, Yeah, you know the first
Speaker 1: place I met your older brother randomly bumping into him.
Speaker 1: He was an actor, I was, I had not yet
Speaker 1: made it. I randomly bumped into him in the bathroom
Speaker 1: at ed Bevis when we were when we were thirteen
Speaker 1: years old. Now, for everyone listening, Ed Bevis is arguably
Speaker 1: the greatest restaurant in the history of the world. Talked
Speaker 1: about on the show and actually people emailed us that
Speaker 1: there's still vis in like Chicago or something, you know anymore.
Speaker 1: But yeah, some some people let us know that in
Speaker 1: some city I think it is Chicago, there still isn't
Speaker 1: please invite us to your races. Please, we have to
Speaker 1: do a Chubbies pop up at so edibevics if we
Speaker 1: if we did talk about it was like a fifties
Speaker 1: diner where the the waiters and waitresses were obviously actors
Speaker 1: and they would get into their characters and you you'd like,
Speaker 1: look what they'd serve you, and then you'd look away
Speaker 1: and you look back and they'd be sitting at your
Speaker 1: table eating your fries. They jump up on the table
Speaker 1: and start dancing. It was the coolest and so l
Speaker 1: A and a kid from Connecticut just gott I'll take
Speaker 1: care of it myself, just getting off the sleigh and
Speaker 1: putting the horse away. Um. Going to EDIBVS was the
Speaker 1: coolest thing. And the second time I was there and
Speaker 1: when I mean literally bumped into I literally and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that was Joey Lawrence and he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? And he was very nice, was
Speaker 1: like hey, how are you? And then he walked out
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's Joy Lawrence. He's like
Speaker 1: one of the first famous people that I met. I
Speaker 1: was probably twelve or thirteen. And to think that then
Speaker 1: we were all in each other there's lives not too
Speaker 1: many years later, it was so strange. When was the
Speaker 1: last time or have you ever watched any episodes of
Speaker 1: Boy Meat's World since it rapped? The last time I
Speaker 1: think was with you guys. We did a sort of
Speaker 1: preview thing once. Um times. Yeah, that was you know,
Speaker 1: and I mean and and rightfully so, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: that one was so much fun with you guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that was only a week. It feels like
Speaker 1: that like the whole season, the whole season of our lives,
Speaker 1: just that one episode that was a huge bonding episode.
Speaker 1: I thought that that one for all of us. Definitely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And so did you watch them when they
Speaker 1: were on, like while you were on Boy Meat's World?
Speaker 1: Were you watching them on Friday nights? Or or did
Speaker 1: you just not see it at all? No? No? So okay,
Speaker 1: So here's what happened. There was one phase in my
Speaker 1: life where I decided to experience the party life, and uh,
Speaker 1: it was this is how I became close with Ben.
Speaker 1: Ben and I on Friday nights would always go to
Speaker 1: this same place and hang out, so we would miss
Speaker 1: the show everybody. But that's how we got close. It's
Speaker 1: like you go out and you know, it was like
Speaker 1: seventh season. This is at the end of the end
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, we were going out and like on
Speaker 1: Friday nights every that was like the night that we
Speaker 1: chose to go out. I don't know why. So I
Speaker 1: missed a lot of them, the earlier ones. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was definitely watching them because I guess I was trying
Speaker 1: to get better. I was really trying to improve a lot.
Speaker 1: So but that was a really interesting phase though, because
Speaker 1: I had to stop doing that. I started to get
Speaker 1: really in my head way way too much. I was
Speaker 1: watching it too, I was trying to I was trying
Speaker 1: to do too much. And then I think there was
Speaker 1: an episode where I had like a really really bad parents.
Speaker 1: I think I finally got it on shown Knight, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember why. I'm early on and it was
Speaker 1: like episode three or four maybe, but it was really
Speaker 1: really rough for me, and it was because I was
Speaker 1: watching and watching and I stopped them stop. I've never
Speaker 1: really been. It always ruins it. When I'm in it
Speaker 1: the scenes with you guys, great, I can watch them.
Speaker 1: As soon as I come into frame, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh I can't, I can't. That's how a writer is too. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: earlier episodes doesn't bother me that much. But I know
Speaker 1: as we get into the later episodes, when I started
Speaker 1: looking more like I do now, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: way more insecure and like, oh god, oh god, so awkward. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're all kind of similar that we it's
Speaker 1: not the most pleasant experience to watch ourselves. But you're right,
Speaker 1: watching these younger episodes where we're little kids and you're
Speaker 1: a little kid, it's just like, so cute little kids.
Speaker 1: But then you get to be like an older teenager
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh gosh, I can bring myself back
Speaker 1: there right now. The reason I don't like watching it, though,
Speaker 1: I bet you, is a completely different reason than you
Speaker 1: don't like watching it. Yeah, well, you probably are reminded
Speaker 1: of anxiety when no, no, no no. For me, it's
Speaker 1: that I'm such a television fan and fanatic that the
Speaker 1: second I come on screen, it takes me out of
Speaker 1: the fantasy because it's like, oh, Yeah, so that's I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm no longer immersed in this play because that's me.
Speaker 1: It's never like I'm uncomfortable with it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know my work, I know what I've done. It's more just, oh,
Speaker 1: now it's just a real thing, that's work. So it
Speaker 1: kind of takes me out of the fantasy more than
Speaker 1: anything else. Yeah, for me, it's more like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't like my face when I do when I do that, Oh,
Speaker 1: so don't do that next time, or like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: not a good angle for me, don't stand like that,
Speaker 1: or you know, like what what was I doing with
Speaker 1: my hands? Why are my hands doing that? And so
Speaker 1: then the next time you're on stage, you start thinking
Speaker 1: about the things you had seen the last time you
Speaker 1: watched it, and now you're like, my hands were that
Speaker 1: weird thing. Let's do something new with the hands. And
Speaker 1: then you're you're no longer thinking about what you're saying,
Speaker 1: You're not listening to the person you're in the scene
Speaker 1: with it just like being present. Yeah, being present became
Speaker 1: impossible for me after watching the show. That's why I
Speaker 1: stopped watching in second seance for the first season even Yeah,
Speaker 1: so your family is still all in the business, and
Speaker 1: you guys have all had multiple different you know, music careers,
Speaker 1: film careers, TV careers, and the industry has changed a
Speaker 1: lot over the last several years, and you guys have
Speaker 1: actually recently we talked about this a little bit at
Speaker 1: nineties Con and the last time we saw you, you
Speaker 1: guys have really created your own production company and are
Speaker 1: now completely producing and creating content on your own. Tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about that. Yeah, you know, you've
Speaker 1: got to be able to adapt if you really want
Speaker 1: to continue to do this type of stuff. I think,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the business changed so much, and I'm not
Speaker 1: a social media person. I respect it and I use
Speaker 1: it for different things, like I um follow on anature
Speaker 1: a lot of architecture, so I like it as that's
Speaker 1: my entertainment, but it's I can't personally be involved in it,
Speaker 1: I think. Uh, I have some issues with it, so
Speaker 1: I don't really get into the social media thing. But
Speaker 1: so that if I'm not gonna do that, because it's
Speaker 1: become such a huge part. Uh. You know. I was
Speaker 1: talking with my younger brother Andy in particular, and we
Speaker 1: were just like, well, then we were gonna have to
Speaker 1: generate content on our own because you know, there was
Speaker 1: a period there where if you didn't have X amount
Speaker 1: of followers, you know, you didn't really get an opportunity.
Speaker 1: You weren't getting the opportunities that X amount of followers
Speaker 1: were getting. Um So, And by the way, that's the
Speaker 1: you just I just that's the reason why I don't
Speaker 1: like social media is followers. I think it's very strange.
Speaker 1: It feels very very foreign to me. I deleted all Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I I The only thing I kept was Instagram
Speaker 1: only because I have a lot of like mentors I
Speaker 1: follow through there. Um So, I yeah, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: just just not a social media guy. So we had
Speaker 1: to create this company and start to make stuff. And
Speaker 1: we've always been talking about it, and I think the
Speaker 1: pandemic really just it forced us to do it. We're
Speaker 1: just okay, we've been talking about this for over a
Speaker 1: decade now. We we love working together, but the work
Speaker 1: has already sort of we've put it together and other
Speaker 1: people have made it and stuff. You know, the only
Speaker 1: way you know, we're gonna we're gonna fail, We're gonna
Speaker 1: mess up. I think we once we got over that
Speaker 1: because we were worried that because we have a brand
Speaker 1: or whatever we and if we do with something really bad,
Speaker 1: then on once you get past the fear and you
Speaker 1: just go, you know what, the only way you learn
Speaker 1: is if you fall flow in your face. You're never
Speaker 1: gonna learn. You just got In fact, the best time
Speaker 1: to jump into something is when you're scared. You just
Speaker 1: got to jump into it and do it. So the
Speaker 1: pandemic happened and we were like, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: finally going to actually just we're just gonna do it,
Speaker 1: whatever the consequences. And we we self funded one, which
Speaker 1: was really tough. I mean, we made a film on
Speaker 1: a I didn't think it was possible to do it.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of favors, all of our friends,
Speaker 1: we I mean, it was incredible. But the help that
Speaker 1: sort of rallied around us, and that's how we kicked
Speaker 1: it off, because we got we got it far enough
Speaker 1: along with that first one that we could do the
Speaker 1: second one. Right. The first one, it's not like we're like,
Speaker 1: this is some quality, but you're you're learning as you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're making movies. Yeah, you're living the dream man. Man,
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool, and there's no one
Speaker 1: I'd rather do it with my my family, and so
Speaker 1: you know that's really it's the people you surround yourself
Speaker 1: within my opinion, you know that you take that journey
Speaker 1: with It's not the end result, it's what happens along
Speaker 1: the way. So tell us some of the names and
Speaker 1: where we can see them, where we can watch them,
Speaker 1: or what you have coming up that you want us
Speaker 1: to know about. Tell us where we can find you. Okay, Well, um,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things on Amazon Prime right now.
Speaker 1: There was last year's Christmas movie, which we're actually about
Speaker 1: to go film. It's called Mistletone Mix Up. We're about
Speaker 1: to go film the sequel to that fun it's cool
Speaker 1: yet intended to do all right for Amazon. So they
Speaker 1: this time around, we're not funding somebody else's somebody else's money.
Speaker 1: That's a good one because you know, they go so
Speaker 1: far under water really become a problem. So yeah, So
Speaker 1: so we're we're finally getting financed. And you know, I say,
Speaker 1: and he's really leading the and he's got like a
Speaker 1: roll deck of things that that he's creating right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm just happy to every time I walk in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, he's like right and away and I'm like
Speaker 1: just it's just I step in, I'm looking over his
Speaker 1: shoulder and we're chatting scenes and stuff, and it's that's
Speaker 1: like that right there. That's the best part of it
Speaker 1: right there. You know. Uh, do you and Andrew lived together?
Speaker 1: Oh that's so great. Yeah, so we did live together,
Speaker 1: and then I moved out and then I moved back in.
Speaker 1: So now it's like, you know, but this is the
Speaker 1: same place that. Okay, so this this house, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is Boy meets World right here. This this is
Speaker 1: why I have this house. This is that show got
Speaker 1: me this place at it since I was twenty years old. Well,
Speaker 1: so it's the same house, I know, you know the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just I've done remodels. You know, it's grown quite
Speaker 1: a lot since then. But because of the lizards, you
Speaker 1: gotta keep making all the room for the lizards. The
Speaker 1: whole house has just become a giant terraneum or terrarium
Speaker 1: or whatever. You have no idea how far I want
Speaker 1: to go with this. If I could, I would put
Speaker 1: a giant bubble greenhouse over my entire property and yet
Speaker 1: live inside. Your neighbors would love that. I'm gonna go,
Speaker 1: where can we find you? On TikTok, it's your handle.
Speaker 1: Now do people still come up to you and recognize
Speaker 1: you from Boy's World or do they do? They mentioned
Speaker 1: brotherly love. Yeah, it's it's it's a mix. But you
Speaker 1: always get you know, people are just so die hard
Speaker 1: for Boeme's World. But yeah, you always get that, always
Speaker 1: always get a you know, I love when you came
Speaker 1: on and they they asked me questions about you guys,
Speaker 1: as if you know we are still literally living together
Speaker 1: or in I know, I know. It is so weird
Speaker 1: and also funny how people think that because we worked together,
Speaker 1: whether it was for seven years like writer and Will
Speaker 1: and I, or it was three years like the four
Speaker 1: of us here, no matter the length of time and
Speaker 1: no matter how much time passes, it is an expectation
Speaker 1: that we are all incredibly close and that we talk
Speaker 1: all the time, and that we love each other, and
Speaker 1: that no matter what the other one does, were there
Speaker 1: to support. It is so weird. I like, I've turned
Speaker 1: it around a couple of times and been like, do
Speaker 1: you still also talk to everyone you have ever worked
Speaker 1: with when you were from Yeah? It's but you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's it's because the show had
Speaker 1: such that when we celebrated the ensemble, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that was like what those Civil War episodes were all about,
Speaker 1: was like how this group of friends needs each other
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I think a lot of TV
Speaker 1: shows create that's like, that's what TV shows do, is
Speaker 1: they create a sense of community. You know, like on
Speaker 1: the show, it's like you're inside this group, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's the office or the bar, and cheers like
Speaker 1: you're a part of this sort of pseudo family. Our
Speaker 1: show did that, but then also like really talked about
Speaker 1: it a lot, Like we did a whole episodes about it.
Speaker 1: We we sort of like really dug deep into the
Speaker 1: idea that like this group of all of us are
Speaker 1: where forever friends. Um So I think you know, if
Speaker 1: you're a fan of the show, it makes sense that
Speaker 1: you would kind of assume have well, yeah, you would
Speaker 1: have a sort of halo effect that they would have,
Speaker 1: you know, go into us as as actors too, like
Speaker 1: they must all also be best friends and hang out
Speaker 1: all there. Otherwise it was all a lie. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: I would like to say, yeah, seriously, I would like
Speaker 1: to say to you, Matt, I am so glad that
Speaker 1: you came on the show for a number of reasons.
Speaker 1: One because you I got along very very well. Um
Speaker 1: we did. We also were good foils for each other.
Speaker 1: We we played very well off of each other. But
Speaker 1: Eric could easily have been that character that just kind
Speaker 1: of started to fall by the wayside because they really
Speaker 1: had the Corey Shawn Tapanga thing going on, and it
Speaker 1: easily could have been We're just gonna scoot this out.
Speaker 1: Will is gonna come into a scene here there. So
Speaker 1: bringing you on the show, our characters were able to
Speaker 1: get I mean we all we were often on the
Speaker 1: show talk about the two boy meets worlds where you
Speaker 1: and I at times might as well have been on
Speaker 1: a completely different television show, and it was it was
Speaker 1: you and I together as kind of that odd couple thing,
Speaker 1: and it just worked. And so I'm very glad that
Speaker 1: you were brought on the show because it it took
Speaker 1: took my dynamic and selfishly took my dynamic in a
Speaker 1: whole different way. And like the Fraser Niles thing, the
Speaker 1: more straight man you played, the more crazy I got
Speaker 1: to go. And you got to really see the dynamic
Speaker 1: of how because you grounded the scenes we were in,
Speaker 1: Eric could become a living cartoon character. So it worked
Speaker 1: because you were there. So yeah, I just wanted I
Speaker 1: thought it was awesome when you brought on. So thank
Speaker 1: you because it certainly made my life a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot easier with you be in there. Well, and
Speaker 1: i'd like to thank you for coming up with the
Speaker 1: idea for this podcast. Yeah, that was awesome when you
Speaker 1: came up with the idea for us to do this podcast,
Speaker 1: we were so happy. Changed changed everything. You know, you
Speaker 1: can tell my Matt's face that he does not listen
Speaker 1: to pod me Tworld is what I just took away
Speaker 1: from exactly Matt's face, like, what the hell I'm about?
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to say to that. It's so funny. Well,
Speaker 1: well i'll tell you. I think we should have We
Speaker 1: should have gone on to do another you know, we
Speaker 1: so we easily could have easily could have wanted to
Speaker 1: go another thing, got into a hole, caught up into
Speaker 1: a whole thing. Man. Well, there were talks from what
Speaker 1: I hear, there were talks about us spinning off into
Speaker 1: a show. Let us do it somewhere else, and that
Speaker 1: was the problem. The problem. Yeah, it's never too late,
Speaker 1: sometimes it is, Matt, Will we see you next? Year
Speaker 1: for some cons. I think so first that was my
Speaker 1: first con. Guys, like the nineties, Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: great start. The first one I went and I couldn't
Speaker 1: handle it and I left that day. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is too much for me. Was that the one
Speaker 1: in South Texas? Yeah, I couldn't. You bailed from that one.
Speaker 1: High didn't know that one. Man. I I was like,
Speaker 1: I was thrown off by it. I don't know, um,
Speaker 1: but the nineties con totally different experience. Absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1: Was great. Okay, yeah, yeah, join us next year. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be really fun. Yeah, we'll go. We'll go have
Speaker 1: great dinners. After. You'll get to hear writer and Will
Speaker 1: argue politics. You'll hear me play, you'll hear me play
Speaker 1: mediator where I'm like, well, I think what writer is saying,
Speaker 1: I think what Will is saying. And it'll it'll be great.
Speaker 1: We'll have a great time. I miss you guys, miss
Speaker 1: you too, Miss you too. There is a restaurant we
Speaker 1: want to take you to. It serves the best iguana
Speaker 1: you've you know what they you know, Well, that's not
Speaker 1: going to be a surprise to me because you know,
Speaker 1: from South America all the way down there. It's it's
Speaker 1: called if things really hit the fan. You know, you
Speaker 1: have twelve babies, got twelve twelve meals just that window
Speaker 1: you're in front of just becomes a big drive through window.
Speaker 1: I like that. Oh my gosh, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being here. This has been so much fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we will see you again soon. Yeah, alright, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I'll hit you up. We're having lunch next week. We
Speaker 1: talked already. Alright, alright, cool man, all right, bye bye, Matt.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so fun. I can't stand that. Guys
Speaker 1: just the worst. He's caustic, snarky. He has stayed exactly
Speaker 1: the same, the same, always the most h Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like the happiest, Like I mean, I was happiest.
Speaker 1: But he's very positive. He never says a negative thing,
Speaker 1: like no, I've never heard a bad thing about anybody.
Speaker 1: It's just like he just it's like it's if it's
Speaker 1: worth saying, it's positive always, you know, and it's like
Speaker 1: that's so awesome. You can you can usually read between
Speaker 1: the lines when there's something because it will usually start
Speaker 1: with well, you know, and then there's like a bit
Speaker 1: of a head nod and then it goes, but the
Speaker 1: positive is like ends up with him finding the silver
Speaker 1: lining and finding the positive and his his whole family
Speaker 1: is very much there the same way for people that
Speaker 1: were read that. And again we we've talked about the
Speaker 1: difference between growing up in the industry and being raised
Speaker 1: in the industry, and those are two very different things.
Speaker 1: Their whole family could easily be pretty terrible people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're not. They're not at So yeah, it's great. Well,
Speaker 1: that was really fun. I'm so glad that he he
Speaker 1: came on and went over all those fun memories with us.
Speaker 1: This has been a great episode of pod Meats World
Speaker 1: if I do say so myself. You can follow us
Speaker 1: on Instagram at pod Meats World Show. You can email
Speaker 1: us at pod Meats World Show at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: And we have got march as a as a much
Speaker 1: Beat the World Show dot com. So yeah, join us
Speaker 1: next for episode one nineteen. We will be recapping that episode.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was great talking to you guys. As always,
Speaker 1: I always am amazed. I don't know why I'm amazed.
Speaker 1: It's been so many years of us together, but I'm
Speaker 1: always amazed that no matter what kind of mood I'm
Speaker 1: in before I see you, seeing you and talking with you,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, yeah, this is fun. I feel better now.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's the worst, isn't it? Isn't it awful? All Right?
Speaker 1: We got together this weekend and it was it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a two and a half hour rehearsal,
Speaker 1: ended up being like five hours of just hanging up
Speaker 1: and like we I didn't want to leave, like I
Speaker 1: had to go pick up my son. It was like
Speaker 1: we talked about the show for twenty minutes. But we're
Speaker 1: doing this all week We're talking to each other, and
Speaker 1: then on our weekends we're still choosing to just sit
Speaker 1: around and talk. I know, I don't know how we
Speaker 1: have not run out of things to talk about, but
Speaker 1: we like each other too much. I agree. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you everybody. Will you want to sign us off? Sure?
Speaker 1: We love you all. Pod dismissed. Pod Meats World is
Speaker 1: an I heeart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fishel Wilford,
Speaker 1: l and Righter Strong. Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman,
Speaker 1: Executive in charge of production, Daniel Romo, producer and editor
Speaker 1: Tara sup Buch, Producer Jackie Rodriguez engineer and Boy Meats
Speaker 1: World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by
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