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Speaker 1: All right, after a week off to recoup and recover,

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Speaker 1: we are back with Between the Horns, presented by your

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Speaker 1: Southern California. Tell you the dealers. I'm JB. Long with

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Speaker 1: the two best sleepers I know, DeMarco Farr and Maurice Jones.

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Speaker 2: Drew. No, that's him, he.

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Speaker 1: Said a world record all the time we were all together.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you both.

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Speaker 3: How did you sleep that long coming from Detroit? That's ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: that's not fair.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I have to thank Boss man joy

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Speaker 4: which worked out, and I didn't sleep on that flight.

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Speaker 4: I was so excited about getting to the game, have

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Speaker 4: a great game. Atmospheres insane. And then on the way back, Man,

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Speaker 4: it was just like that was up for almost like

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Speaker 2: We got stuck in Detroit. How long were we on

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Speaker 1: Over five hours?

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Speaker 4: Five hours? And you didn't move a mistle. To be honest,

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Speaker 4: I thought we were in the air. I thought we

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Speaker 2: To him? Like what are you doing? He missed the

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Speaker 4: He just laughed at me, like I was, Hey, you

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Speaker 2: I don't know how people can't sleep like I just

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about two people. One was Tyler Higby

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Wow, that that Higbee thing, it did kind of

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Speaker 3: that whole thing out of Detroit and how that went down,

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Speaker 2: There to sleep, all right? For the rest of the team.

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Speaker 1: Well, Mario put it a hit in that buck, because

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Speaker 1: I'll have a whole section of this show that's basically

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Speaker 1: what would you like to get off your chest as

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Speaker 1: these hair brained ideas, and so when we were called

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Speaker 1: How will you remember twenty twenty three? Wow?

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Speaker 3: The word miracle keeps coming up, but that's that doesn't

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Speaker 2: They brought up the T word I don't know how

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Speaker 3: Certain guy, and that bothers you, right, I mean, because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say good enough. And what I mean

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Speaker 4: this year, I believe right, And really, if you go

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Speaker 1: I think I'm somewhere in between the two of you.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying my best to be thankful, to take an

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Speaker 3: You know, like, when you look at what happened this weekend,

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Speaker 3: I see, the more you talk about it, the more

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's it's a hell of a year.

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Speaker 3: It's a great year. But the more we talk about it, okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Story, but it's like the Rams, like it should it

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Speaker 1: We're taking a lot for granted there, including that you

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Speaker 4: As much as I wanted the Rams to run the ball,

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Speaker 3: I will never root against Detroit, but I don't think

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Speaker 3: When we're doing the game and listening to you guys talk,

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Speaker 1: And yet it was there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you had your ops. So it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've never done this before, but I've never

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Speaker 2: Who said who said that? I was happy for you?

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Speaker 3: You got yourself a winner? In dogwork and Eric Henderson

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Speaker 4: And it brings me back to my New Year's resolution,

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Speaker 4: Right, consistency in the coaching, hearing the same message day

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Speaker 1: And if it gets worse, because Romeyo not only took

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then not only that, the Saints are they're interviewing.

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Speaker 4: Like it's just like you dream about I did. I

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Speaker 2: But again, it's it's one of those things.

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Speaker 4: But it's it's the consistency is what you want as

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Speaker 3: You know, all the coaches he's lost. This might be

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Speaker 2: And his impact on this football team and what it means.

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Speaker 1: He's so unique and so is the culture that he created.

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Speaker 1: That might be the only one I can't be happy.

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Speaker 3: and it could be twice a year.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys love nine and nine kind of Matthewoops.

443
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

444
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Speaker 1: The only thing that I might imagine would be better

445
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,400
Speaker 1: is a Sean and Raheem show. Oh like that would

446
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,159
Speaker 1: be mustytail.

447
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,920
Speaker 3: That's too much swag. Yeah, you couldn't handle it. Yeah,

448
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 3: you couldn't handle it.

449
00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, more to come. Should we get into

450
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Speaker 1: some year end awards?

451
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:49,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

452
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,520
Speaker 1: You ready to give out some prizes? Yeah, as we

453
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Speaker 1: kind of gradually turn our attention towards twenty twenty four

454
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 1: Unfair Sleeping Award, Yeah, no kidding. I thought Rookie of

455
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 1: the Year on offense and d defense were so obvious

456
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 1: that we might just kind of breeze through those.

457
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Speaker 2: Young I'm kidding, go ahead.

458
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Speaker 1: But where I was going with that is actually the

459
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Speaker 1: runner up was also obvious, like Steve Avila offense and

460
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 1: Byron Young on defense, no doubt. But I mean there's

461
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Speaker 1: a reason why the top two might get NFL Rookie

462
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Speaker 1: of the Year honors.

463
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Speaker 3: You talking about Pooka obviously, Yeah, Poka's not going to

464
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 3: get it, and he's not going to get it, but

465
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 3: he definitely deserves it.

466
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Speaker 2: It's hard to get it.

467
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,680
Speaker 4: When the kid from Houston goes to the divisional round, right,

468
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 4: it's just tough to do.

469
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Speaker 3: It's not like Puka's coming up empty. He's going to

470
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Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl, you know what I mean? Yeah, and

471
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Speaker 3: he second team All Pro. Yeah, that's what I mean.

472
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's been decorated, he's been honored for

473
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 3: his years. So if you want to kind of split

474
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Speaker 3: the baby and give Rookie of the Year to the quarterback,

475
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 3: which is what they do anyway, makes sense.

476
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Speaker 1: It's just amazing that from week one when Cooper cups

477
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 1: out and you know he's going to get that opportunity. Now,

478
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 1: not that level of targets an opportunity, but you knew

479
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 1: he might be in for a big start to his

480
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 1: very last game in the regular season setting the ENDFL

481
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: record at San Francisco to raising the bar even higher

482
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Speaker 1: in his first postseason game at Detroit. I mean, that's

483
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 1: as wired to wire as it gets for an award.

484
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's it's fantastic. He's a fantastic

485
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 3: player run and pass. You love his intensity, right, But

486
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 3: I think what makes the story even greater is where

487
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 3: he was drafted. So it seems like it's a shock,

488
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 3: But then when you talk to McVeigh or you talk

489
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 3: to less Need, he's been doing that for years. What

490
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 3: you saw is what he's always been. So it's more

491
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 3: so that the other teams just missed on him or

492
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Speaker 3: didn't believe in his talent and the Rams did and

493
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Speaker 3: here he is performing for you.

494
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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a lot of things we talked

495
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Speaker 2: about this.

496
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Speaker 4: He had injury issues in college, he didn't really run fast,

497
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 4: but they're the one moment stands out to me that

498
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 4: it's hard to kind of embodies everything about Pukuinakus. The

499
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 4: when he hurt his shoulder. I forget what game it was,

500
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 4: and then it goes out for like a qualify. Yeah,

501
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,360
Speaker 4: so if it goes out for like a quarter, he comes.

502
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Speaker 2: Back Lazarus, like what is going on?

503
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Speaker 4: Like I thought he like broke every rib or what

504
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 4: he had to separate his shoulder. And then you go

505
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 4: back a couple of weeks later, Jamar Chase has misses

506
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 4: like three weeks, right, and so this is toughness, right,

507
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 4: Like to me, going over the middle, catching the ball,

508
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 4: blocking all the other things, like, yeah, the highlights are awesome,

509
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 4: but creating space in the running game, catching the tough

510
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 4: passes over the middle, getting hit the play at Baltimore

511
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 4: with no gloves on, diving in front of three Baltimore

512
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 4: Ravens and Cooper Cup there to make the play like

513
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 4: that embodies what you want kind of with the rams

514
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 4: of like always one other receivers.

515
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: And he really took that and then made a good

516
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Speaker 2: run with this.

517
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Speaker 3: See another thing I want to get off my chest.

518
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah that was Pi at the end you grab Oh

519
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 3: my god, I'm just saying, see it's all coming up.

520
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Sorry, Yeah, And I know you've got more

521
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Speaker 1: thoughts on Kobe. I've seen a sneak believe you of

522
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: your award, So I'll give you that chance. And just

523
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Speaker 1: a little bit. By the way, I've got a column

524
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Speaker 1: coming up with all of my picks on these, but

525
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Speaker 1: let's get to most improved, because I think this is

526
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Speaker 1: probably where we'll get the most diversity of opinion. There

527
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: are a lot of really good choices here. Who wants

528
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Speaker 1: to lead off for the most improved RAM of twenty

529
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Speaker 1: twenty three?

530
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Speaker 4: You know I told you this in the car is

531
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Speaker 4: Bobby Brown, Big Bob, I think, I think and I

532
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 4: said this, and I truly believe this. I thought Jona

533
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 4: Williams did an awesome job, but I feel like if you

534
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 4: had a Michael Brockers in that that five technique role,

535
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 4: a bigger body similar to Bobby Brown, that you'd be

536
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 4: able to stop the run a little bit better than

537
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Speaker 4: what you were doing in that in that a wild

538
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 4: card playoff game. But Bobby Brown controlling guard to guard

539
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 4: right when he came back that off, that defensive line

540
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 4: took a huge jump because he was able to stop

541
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Speaker 4: the run. He was able to really put that center

542
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 4: in a buying where he had to have help. Once

543
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 4: you have to help that center, it opens up everyone

544
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 4: else and so in the running game, and so I

545
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 4: thought he improved a ton from it. Kind of this

546
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Speaker 4: is who they wanted they thought he would be when

547
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Speaker 4: they drafted him, and uh, you know, obviously you want

548
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Speaker 4: to keep going from there.

549
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Speaker 2: But to me, Bobby Brown was the guy man.

550
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Speaker 3: He I call him Eclipse. He blocks a lot of sun,

551
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Speaker 3: he really does. He's huge, And the first guy I

552
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Speaker 3: thought about when I heard that Eric Henderson took the

553
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Speaker 3: sc job was Bobby because I think Bobby is on

554
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Speaker 3: the verge of being becoming something, and he was on

555
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: that trajectorily, So I hope he gets the coaching he needs.

556
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: But as far as most improved, I mean, it was

557
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 3: an easy one for me. It's on the defensive sides.

558
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Speaker 3: It's actually Jordan Fuller. I mean, think about his year

559
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: the year before, I think, what eleven tackles missed almost

560
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: the entire season, right then he comes back and he

561
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: takes almost every snap in the regular season. I mean,

562
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Speaker 3: I think he missed what twenty five plays total? Misses

563
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Speaker 3: the playoff gas.

564
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Speaker 1: You're going like almost like a comeback player, the other

565
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Speaker 1: type of most improved.

566
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Speaker 3: But goes from here to second on the team in

567
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 3: tackles and didn't miss a rep. I mean that to

568
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: me is exemplary, and some of his tackles were game savers.

569
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Speaker 3: We just don't talk about him as much because usually

570
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 3: when guys like him, when safeties make tackles, something bad

571
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: just happened because the ball broke to him without those

572
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: guys dropping those guys in the open field, that's a

573
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: runaway touchdown or a big play weighting to happen. So

574
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Speaker 3: I thought the safety play was outstanding at times, but

575
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Speaker 3: I thought he was great.

576
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Speaker 1: He was the most improved and oh by the way,

577
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Speaker 1: we need you to start next to Russ East. Oh wait,

578
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit of Quentin Lake. John

579
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Speaker 1: Johnson's here. Can you work with him? He did it

580
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Speaker 1: all and.

581
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: You got green dot. Nope, he's got green dot right

582
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: back to green dot again.

583
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Speaker 1: And a little bit like Tyler like I hate for

584
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: him that once again he was unable to be a

585
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Speaker 1: part of the postseason because he was so instrumental in

586
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Speaker 1: terms in terms of earning that opportunity, just as he

587
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: was in twenty one in that Super Bowl season. My

588
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: most improved is to two out Well and I like

589
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: that his season wasn't linear. We all knew he was

590
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: going to be better this year, right. I think we

591
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: said during the summer, like he's going to blow past

592
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Speaker 1: his career totals this season alone, and he did. But

593
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: then he had a step aside to make some room

594
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Speaker 1: for de Marcus Robinson. He got knocked out of that

595
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: game at Baltimore, and you're wondering, Okay, have we seen

596
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: the last of tow two out well in twenty twenty three?

597
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: Far from it. In that game against San Francisco, he

598
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: picks up I gotta have it third down. I gotta

599
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: have it fourth down conversion. I gotta have it two

600
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: point conversion. He pulls that one out of the fire,

601
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Speaker 1: and then that touchdown in Detroit. I was already leaning

602
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: this way, but I see that. I'm thinking my two

603
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: two at will be worth approaching with a modest contract

604
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: extension this offseason because his skill set is really unique

605
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: within your offensive system.

606
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm hard to replace his touchdown.

607
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: He fought through a hold and then fought through the

608
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: catch and then made his way to the end zone.

609
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: So you may look at him and think this guy

610
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: is slight, but I mean he is bigger and stronger

611
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 3: than you think, and he's getting nothing but better. So yeah,

612
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that toughness out of the

613
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: receiving core doesn't that come from your quarterback. Because of

614
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: what your quarterback is doing that it just makes guys

615
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: want to be that much tougher. That's what I saw

616
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: with Puka, some of those shots when he got hit.

617
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that he's getting up is because

618
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: Stafford keeps getting up. The fact that two two's fighting

619
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: through all this stuff is because Stafford is feeding him

620
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: the football. So yeah, I mean I thought two two

621
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: had a fantastic season. I wish we could have seen

622
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Speaker 3: more out of him, and if you keep playing, there's

623
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 3: a good chance that you would have saw more out of.

624
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: Two to two at well this season. But he's been great.

625
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Speaker 1: Let's say, on offense, who's your offensive player of the year.

626
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's a hard one, okay, you know me,

627
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: I love the button gut guys. I gotta go with

628
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: Kevin Dowson. As soon as you put him into the

629
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: offensive line, everything changed. And I know you can say

630
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: it's Kyron. He's the running back right here and they

631
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: do total.

632
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 4: Fantastic, fantastic But without the guys up front opening holes,

633
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 4: you've got nothing. And as soon as he came in,

634
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: you changed the way the old line looked, you changed

635
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: the way you blocked, and you started having success.

636
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: So for me offense, Kevin Dotson.

637
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I love big men that like

638
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 4: to block. That's is one of the things I tend

639
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: to gravitate towards. But I will say Kyen because I

640
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 4: think not only in the running game, which is the

641
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 4: easiest thing to watch, but in the passing game and

642
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: the protection and the ability to set the pocket when

643
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: you're getting blitzes He did an awesome job with that

644
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: catching the ball out of the backfield. He did a

645
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: great job with the screening. The screen game. It kind

646
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 4: of takes me back to the Arizona game. At Arizona

647
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: where he just like went off right when he wasn't there,

648
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: there was a big difference, Right, as much as you

649
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: talked about Kevin Dohnson, when Kyen wasn't there, the running

650
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: game wasn't as efficient, it wasn't as explosive the passing game,

651
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 4: and the protection wasn't as secure as it was. Stafford

652
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: had to move a little bit more, and to me,

653
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: those are signs of a player that you need. When

654
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: he broke his hand, yeah, what happened in the Detroit game, right,

655
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: things changed up, and so to me, that tells you

656
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: how valuable he was to this offense. And again, like

657
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: I said before, he has a lot of tools. The

658
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: one tool he doesn't have is like breakaway speed, but

659
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 4: he's able to make up that with his smarts, his

660
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 4: ability to pick up the blitz, his ability to block,

661
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: and then the way he's able to manipulate linebackers in

662
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: the running game.

663
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I went with Kyen in part because

664
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: we're saving the quarterback for a different conversation. We'll get

665
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: there momentarily. But if you had told any of us

666
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: this offseason that we would be talking about Kyen Williams

667
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: in the context of Marshall and Eric, or that we

668
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: would be talking about Pooka Nakua in the context of

669
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: Isaac and Tory and Cooper, I mean we all would

670
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: assigned that contract before the ink was dry.

671
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: Check please here in January.

672
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: That's exactly where both of those two men, one was

673
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: a rookie, ones like a red shirt freshman put this organization.

674
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's why we're all so bullish.

675
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: On twenty twenty four, no doubt didn't Royce Freeman have

676
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: a seventy burger without Kyroen, though, I'm just saying, you know,

677
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 3: give it to the button gut guys up front. Come on,

678
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: seventy burger.

679
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: I almost said seventy seventy. I said that was against

680
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: the cargo year seventy yarders. They're a seventy yard game,

681
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 4: not caring seventeen for seventy or something like that. Yeah,

682
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: Kyen led the league in rushing yards per game and

683
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: missed four of them.

684
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: It was like third in rushing five.

685
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Amazing eighteen too.

686
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like come on, I'm suy. I know get they

687
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: did a great job a.

688
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Lot of times in this exercise defensive player of the Year,

689
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: we have to say aside from Aaron Donald, but this year,

690
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm fine giving it to Aaron Donald anyone.

691
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: No hands down. Yeah, I would love it. Ernest Jones

692
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: would would come to us. And this is why he didn't,

693
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, from win my my most improved because I

694
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: think he improved by twenty tackles from from a year ago.

695
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: So he was on that same path at the franchise records,

696
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: set the franchise record. He has been tremendous, and I

697
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: thought he is Rahie Morris unleashed his his his past

698
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: rush ability, sending him on blisses against these running backs.

699
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: So I thought he was fantastic. Uh, but it just

700
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: don't go without Aaron. So he's your envy.

701
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: It's cool to live in an era. I think here

702
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: in Aaron's career where he cannot finish as his team

703
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: sack leader and still be a first team All Pro

704
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: and we can still give him the flowers?

705
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: Did we not watch him get triple teamed every week?

706
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: Like I don't like when when a team says, Okay,

707
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: we're not gonna tripled, we're not going to double team him,

708
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: We're gonna put three offensive linemen on him at all times.

709
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: I mean that was Detroit Weal. You talked about it

710
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: in the pregame.

711
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: Guard tackle se was always watching like, how how do

712
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: you expect this man to put up numbers?

713
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: Right?

714
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: Like to me, that that that it makes sense how

715
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: the defense is ran now. Like when I first got here,

716
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I played against Aaron.

717
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: I thought he was awesome.

718
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: But the respect that he's he's gathered because he could

719
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: beat double teams, he could beat obviously one on one

720
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: chips and things like that, that you have to put

721
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: three three hundred pounders to stop him is insanity to me.

722
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: Like, there's no other player in this game that gets that.

723
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: Not like that.

724
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, unds line up everywhere. That's the thing,

725
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: that's the thing that separates him from everyone else. Say

726
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: for JJ Watt, he can line up anywhere. He can

727
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: line up a right end, left end, left tackle, inside, outside,

728
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 3: anywhere and still get to you.

729
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: DeMarco. I played against JJ Watt and we never put

730
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: three three hundred pounds.

731
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: No, No, of it.

732
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: But that's that's how you do it and how they

733
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: how the Rams had to do it this year with

734
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: Aaron because they would find out where he is and

735
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: adjust protection to him. So he had to wait until

736
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: the very last second just to line up so you

737
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: couldn't key on him. I mean, think of how hard

738
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: that is. You're standing dead over the center and you

739
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: got to sprint to the guard to line up just so.

740
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: They get I think Aaron was in there, I'd be like, Oh,

741
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: Aaron's not part of this front. I was like, oh wait,

742
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: he is. He just hanging out, He's hiding.

743
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, I know, tremendous.

744
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: All Right, m VP is this unanimous?

745
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: Uh?

746
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so Matthew. It's got to be. Who

747
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: else would it be?

748
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think we've talked about everybody, but

749
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 4: I think Matthew Stafford to do what he's done with

750
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 4: rookies with I mean, Kiren's a rookie, right. He really

751
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: didn't play as much. I mean some of the throws he.

752
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: Made the check. Only the one play that that he'd solidified.

753
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: His MVP to me was against Cleveland where he checked

754
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: the ball and he threw it to pookin the coop

755
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: like those throws were made week after week after week.

756
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: We talked about Baltimore going toe to toe with Baltimore,

757
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: throwing the ball all over the yard, tearing them up,

758
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: Like I was terrified going to that Baltimore game because

759
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 4: I'd seen them knock out quarterback after quarterback after quarterback.

760
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: He's just standing in the pocket.

761
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: Just throwing darts all over the place. Like to me,

762
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: it was like I think Wing Martindale said it best.

763
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: He was playing at an MVP level and had been

764
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 4: playing for a while at that point, and that's what

765
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: you want.

766
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy throws without a pick. I think

767
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: that stretch in December goes down as one of the

768
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: best of his career.

769
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: And it wasn't checked down Charlie.

770
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: No.

771
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

772
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: I think he, to your point, recaptured the imagination of

773
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: the football world, right, who had always admired and appreciated him,

774
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: but saw him do it in a way that maybe

775
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: he had not even during his Super Bowl season when

776
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: he was electric, right, Like when the confetti's fallen at

777
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: Sofi Stadium and they're having the parade, I think I

778
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: remember the drumbeat of is Matthew Stafford, a Hall of

779
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: Fame quarterback. It began in earnest right. You could at

780
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: least now that he had won a playoff game and

781
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: not just done that, but won a ring, you could say,

782
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: all right, let's have that conversation. I feel like what

783
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: he did this fall now puts him in the more

784
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: likely than not to wind up with the gold jacket.

785
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: And I also think it extends his runway right because

786
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: he was even asked at the podium in Detroit, like

787
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: are you back next year, and with a twinkle in

788
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: his eye, the answer was, yes, You're gonna have to

789
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: do with me for another year and maybe more.

790
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to talk to the family first, but yes,

791
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: I'm right there with you, even more so than the passes.

792
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: And the passes were sweet. I mean, as much as

793
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: you give Aaron credit. And I said this before about Aaron,

794
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: why team just keep trying to pull guards in front

795
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: of Aaron is ridiculous. Right, He's gonna see it, smoke,

796
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: it be in the backfield before you know it. Same

797
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: thing with Stafford when he starts to pick you apart

798
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: and you start to bring pressure and he knows it

799
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: and he gets the ball out and beyond. That stuff

800
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: is impressive. But what's more impressive is when the play

801
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: is bad and he gets absolutely tagged blasted and you

802
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: know most quarterbacks would be done or my hand hurts,

803
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: I can't go out and play. Get the backup ready,

804
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: rolls over, dust himself off. I'm going right back to

805
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: the field because I've got men the lead, I've got

806
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, touchdowns to throw.

807
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: His toughness, his leadership, it far out paces what he does.

808
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: On the I mean, the season was over in Dallas.

809
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: It was over we when flying home saying pack it in.

810
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: Here comes the trade deadline. He's gonna get surgery and

811
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: who knows what comes next except he didn't. And then

812
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: the season was over on the other side of the

813
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: bye too, when he gets cut in half by Seattle

814
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: kaboom and goes into dark mode and gets that victory

815
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: and the whole thing flips.

816
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't want to get anybody in trouble.

817
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: But that hit in Detroit, man, come on, dude, but

818
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: that wasn't That's what I was going to talk about.

819
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: That hitting detrent sling you come back.

820
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 4: So make the throw to DeMarcus Robinson on like third

821
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: and we was at third and fifteen where you slide

822
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: to the pocket, you slide left, you, you flip it

823
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: out right and DeMarcus is able to catch the ball.

824
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: Like that's I always tell quarterbacks you only can show

825
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: your toughness. So like as a running back, I can

826
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 4: show you my toughest running through guys and delman this

827
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: and that.

828
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: A quarterback is being available.

829
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: That's how you show your toughness, getting just demolished over

830
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: and over again, and then staying in the pocket, not

831
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 4: being afraid to step into throws, not like double clutching,

832
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: not clenching, just firing the ball off.

833
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: And he's done that all year.

834
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 3: If I blast you in the pocket and you don't

835
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: even give me an ouch, it's demoralizing. You don't even

836
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: give me an ouch. Like, man, I know that hurt

837
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: right right, I'm going that's demoralizing.

838
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Time and time again, time

839
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 2: and time again, He's just been that guy for his team.

840
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I'll give him credit to the work that he put

841
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: in this offseason. He was more nimble on and off

842
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: platform than I think he was in his first two

843
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: years in Los Angeles, which is as he's aging a

844
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: real testament to what he did and hopefully he can

845
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: run it back again in twenty four MVP. Easy, all right,

846
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: favorite moment of the season. Why don't we land there? Wow?

847
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: Ten win playoff campaign? Did anything rise above the rest

848
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: for you?

849
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: That Cleveland game?

850
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: I knew you were getting back there.

851
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that Cleveland game.

852
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: It was because of what happened at the bye and

853
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: how like you were three and six at the bye

854
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: and then you're climbing, so this is your third or

855
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: fourth win in a row. But then Kobe Turner gets

856
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: a sack and then Aaron Donald shoves Floco out of

857
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: the back of the end zone and then they walk off,

858
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: skipping to the sideline. Never forget that, Never forget that.

859
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: I mean, these are like big gladiator men. But then

860
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: they're just kids on the inside, skipping having a good

861
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: time playing a game, you know what I mean?

862
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 2: I hear you so much fun.

863
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: So this season was dead and then it became the

864
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: most fun thing in LA right then the season and

865
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: a gift, Yeah was that.

866
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: I cannot argue it. No, that was my runner up.

867
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you said.

868
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: What did you say in the in the broadcast? Aaron

869
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: Donald is inevitable. I want that on a T shirt.

870
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: That's awesome. One, Yes, Aaron Donald is inevitable. I want

871
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: that on a T shirt. That's awesome.

872
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, is not going to be like a

873
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 4: happy moment. What But it was Green Bay Sam Brett

874
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: Rippan play in Green Bay because I feel like that

875
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 4: is what changed everything. I felt like the Rams knew

876
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 4: they could win that one. And the play of him

877
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: and as you go and sign Carson Wentz right allows

878
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: Stafford to kind of I feel like that puts something

879
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 4: in Stafford a little bit and it all changed from

880
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: that point. It was it was it was you hit

881
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: rock bottom, and we know how rock bottom can be.

882
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 4: Either you can stay down there or you can try

883
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 4: to climb your way out of it. And to me,

884
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: that was one of my favorite moments one because we

885
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: were freezing up there right, it was all it was

886
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: just it was like it was like bad for all

887
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: of us in that suit of ways. It was like,

888
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 4: can't hold onto the football, can't do all this, And

889
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 4: I'm sitting here looking at you like yo, like I

890
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: don't know if I could call this. It's cold, right,

891
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: it's raining. It was all in that moment. The Rams

892
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: made a decision and that decision was to come back

893
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 4: and fight, and that after that Seattle, you went on

894
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: this run. And so to me, it wasn't like the

895
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: happiest moment, but it was the turning point of the

896
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 4: season that I truly believe that play where he snapped

897
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: the ball, fumbled, try to pick up and throw it

898
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 4: and fumbled again, that was a turning point in the season.

899
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: It's like Jack Handy level deep thoughts there for that

900
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: was true. That was I don't want to go after that.

901
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just that's why I never thought I

902
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: think about that game. Ever.

903
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: I do think about right game because about green Bay

904
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: this week, and I'm like, I cannot believe that team

905
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: is in the divisional run? But do you do see

906
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Like and and really we talked.

907
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: I remember specifically being saying, like before that week, like

908
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 4: Stafford had, this is the game you have to win,

909
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: because I felt like they were going to be a

910
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: team one.

911
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: You have to get over your hump.

912
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: I know we always talk about the Niners being like

913
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: the kryptonite, but really green Bay and green Bay where

914
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: the Rams have struggled more than anything.

915
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: Right, Can I suggest that you make an amendment to

916
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: your twenty twenty four New Year's resolution for the Rams. Okay,

917
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: because you're twenty three. One's like crumbling right it is?

918
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: It all terrible, So let me suggest something to you

919
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: next season. Instead of the Rams being the Packers get

920
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: right game, the Rams are the Packers like stumbling bock

921
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: tear it down. Yeah, I love that the Rams that

922
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: are just the season wreck for the Packers because when

923
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: you talk about going to Lambo too many years in

924
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: a row, it's been like Lamphant, like the Packers could

925
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: not score a touchdown when we got to lambeau Field,

926
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: and then from that point forward, Jordan Love is now

927
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: going to.

928
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: Glad to get broke off. He's about to get all

929
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: the money. Wow.

930
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: Right, Mine's just a favorite moment to wrap things up.

931
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: Pooka in overtime at Indianapolis and I gotta have it

932
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: gain for all the records, he'd said, as fast as

933
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: that start was, the young man did not have an

934
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: NFL touchdown until they squandered what that twenty three point lead,

935
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: and then he walks it off on a twenty two

936
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: yard touchdown, flings the football into the stands, and kudos

937
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: to our awesome social media team for tracking that ball

938
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: down and getting it back in his trophy case. But

939
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: he had already arrived. His legacy grew that day, and

940
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: little do we know how much more of it was

941
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: still to come. But a walk off overtime win.

942
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: What was the route? I don't remember?

943
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: Ran a post curl post curl sat down right there

944
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: in the in the dinner. Remember they they ran off

945
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: with the post.

946
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and they let him go.

947
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: Was getting to fall asleep on defense?

948
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I will, okay, let me okay, that was a

949
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: very dark moment. But let me say this.

950
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: Anytime you can get your mother on the sidelines of

951
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 4: NFL game, no, no, not Kyon Pooka Francisco, Oh my god,

952
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 4: Like that's that. That to me was like, oh yeah,

953
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: you've arrived. Because I couldn't even get my mom down there.

954
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: I was, we were balling in Jacksonville. We couldn't even

955
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: get that.

956
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: That was my second memory. Kyron William's mom taking the

957
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: ball from the guy. Oh yeah, that was my second

958
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: favorite memory. That happened twice. Jersey, Yeah, ripped it right

959
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: out of his hands. That's how you get it.

960
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: You get it in La to a guy tried to

961
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: steal in La. She took it there too.

962
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, shout outs all the moms. Yeah, shout out

963
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three Los Angeles rams. You want

964
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: to make any conference championship game predictions before we go?

965
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: Ah, man, I hope they all lose.

966
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 4: That possible ties, yeah, tying up, Just keep playing until

967
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl week play two weeks in a row.

968
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: In San Francisco, has to go through Jared goth homecoming

969
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: game for and then any way you slice it, if

970
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: they do get to Vegas, they're gonna be facing a

971
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: two time MVP at quarterback, assuming Lamar gets this year right.

972
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: Right, Well, I will say this when if you look

973
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: at the games, Detroit and the Niners are built very similarly,

974
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 4: right if you look at how they're The difference is

975
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: the Detroit offensive line is way better than San Francisco's

976
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: as a As a unit. The Niners are struggles stopping

977
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: the run the last month of the season two and

978
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 4: we know what Detroit wants to do, So.

979
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: It gives you.

980
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: It gives Detroit has they have a really really good

981
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: opportunity to go up to San Francisco and win that game.

982
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 4: On the other hand, as much as I love Patrick

983
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: Mahomes man like that is a juggernaut in Baltimore, Like, like,

984
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: if you can't get Lamar down, which for whatever reason,

985
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 4: Houston had opportunities to get him down. They got him

986
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: down a couple times, but in that second half he

987
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: turned it on like I don't, I just I just don't.

988
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how you stop him. Yeah. So the

989
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: question was asked, who would.

990
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, I said, historically

991
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: Mahomes this year, Lamar because he is playing out of

992
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: his mind. And if you get him in a fourth

993
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: quarter where it's just you or him versus your defense,

994
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: He's gonna win. He is absolutely gonna flay you and

995
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: kill you with his legs and with his arms. So

996
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: that side, I'm taking Baltimore. The other side, I hope

997
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: there is no winner out of the NFC. This is

998
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 3: the other that game plays for like twenty four hours.

999
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: Yet this is the other chip on the shoulder for Lamar.

1000
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: If you look at how they talk about all the

1001
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks.

1002
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Mahomes, this rivalry game, and yet

1003
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: we just forget about Lamar and what Lamar has done,

1004
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: and they haven't played each other since twenty twenty one,

1005
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: so that's gonna be a This is kind of his

1006
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 4: legacy game too, Like do you go a knockoff?

1007
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: He can't lose? Yeah, yeah, you can't. You got to

1008
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: go knock off Mahomes. Yep, you have no choice.

1009
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: There's nothing to help you from a coordinating standpoint when

1010
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: you're playing Lamar. You may be able to help with

1011
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: Mahomes some but I can't help you. You just have

1012
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 3: to get him on the ground.

1013
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: Just being Mahomes. You gotta be two Kelsey's ones wearing pads,

1014
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: one swearing nothing at all.

1015
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's doing it right. Hey, yes, he

1016
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: is doing it right.

1017
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: I just don't understand how men cannot have shirts on

1018
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: in the cold. To me that you have the chance

1019
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: of getting very sick. I don't care how much you're drinking.

1020
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: But the other part is the love for his brother

1021
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: to hop out of that sweet and go put his

1022
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: lips on someone else's beer cannon, start dugging man, get

1023
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: out of here.

1024
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: That is a kudos to him, brothers.

1025
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: Goodbye twenty twenty three. We will not speak of it again.

1026
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: In our next show. We will turn our attention to

1027
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: the rams twenty twenty four off season, which promises to

1028
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: be one for the ages. The Marco Farr will tell

1029
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: us next week who the Rams are going to take

1030
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: at nineteen overall for MJD. For DeMarco Farr, I'm JB. Long.

1031
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us for our final twenty

1032
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: twenty three edition Between the Horns, presented by your Southern

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