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Speaker 1: Now allow me to pass the mic to myself as
Speaker 1: I set up this episode. We're still living with COVID
Speaker 1: and we're not living great with it in the United States.
Speaker 1: But I've said this for a while that what we
Speaker 1: have lacked in national leadership, we have an abundance on
Speaker 1: the ground in local and regional cooperation. It's not always
Speaker 1: those with the most resources getting the job done, it's
Speaker 1: those willing to work hard, use their networks, and step up.
Speaker 1: In this episode, we're going to meet two of these individuals,
Speaker 1: people who left their comfort zones, tapped into their contact
Speaker 1: list and leverage everything and everyone they know to fight
Speaker 1: this disease. So that no one has left unprotected. Our
Speaker 1: guest Danielle Allen said it best in her Washington Post
Speaker 1: OpEd where she wrote, quote, there was only one real
Speaker 1: silver bullet. It's called grit. This is a can do country,
Speaker 1: and our determination to beat the disease is our ultimate weapon.
Speaker 1: We'll get to Danielle later, but first I need to
Speaker 1: introduce you to dr Amy. Amen, Larry, I actually know
Speaker 1: dr Amy personally because of New York City back in March.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth and I have returned from our last trip to
Speaker 1: that city this year, it seems, and when we departed,
Speaker 1: it was a very different city than when we had landed,
Speaker 1: and we knew we were in for a ride, but
Speaker 1: our friends in New York were in for a much
Speaker 1: worse one, and within a month that city got crushed
Speaker 1: by COVID nineteen. One of our friends in Brooklyn, Tricia Wong,
Speaker 1: stood up to help and she formed this network of
Speaker 1: volunteers to get personal protective equipment PPE directly into the
Speaker 1: hands of frontline health workers. Early in the process of
Speaker 1: setting that up, knowing that this disease was going to
Speaker 1: come for l A and other cities. Later, Tricia reached
Speaker 1: out to Elizabeth the same Elizabeth, who was an executive
Speaker 1: producer on this show full Disclosure, to help start an
Speaker 1: l A version of the network. They would call this
Speaker 1: effort Last Mile PPE. Now it's simply known as Last
Speaker 1: Mile And you know, I saw our house transformed into
Speaker 1: a PPE coordination hub. There were zoom calls and what
Speaker 1: SAPs and inspections and vetting of shipping manifest It was wild.
Speaker 1: And in the process of running the l A chapter,
Speaker 1: Elizabeth met Dr Amy i'm in Lari, a San Diego
Speaker 1: doctor who had joined the l A effort but would
Speaker 1: eventually create her own in San Diego to meet the
Speaker 1: needs of her community. Here's my conversation with Amy m M.
Speaker 1: I'm Amy, I'm and Luri. I am an emergency physician
Speaker 1: and I'm also a medical director and part owner of
Speaker 1: Coastal Family Urgent Care here in Carl's Bad. I am
Speaker 1: the founder and lead of Last Mile San Diego. So
Speaker 1: I want to start back in the beginning of this
Speaker 1: whole COVID nineteen coronavirus pandemic mess, because you're an emergency
Speaker 1: medicine doctor and I'd love your take as someone who's
Speaker 1: been on the front lines of this battle. What take
Speaker 1: me back in time and tell me what that was
Speaker 1: like for you in the beginning as a doctor and
Speaker 1: just as Amy, well, you know, back in March, it
Speaker 1: was very difficult working in the front lines because myself
Speaker 1: and my colleagues felt a lot of stress and anxiety
Speaker 1: with obviously this pandemic coming out that nobody really knew
Speaker 1: much about, and conflicting data, and to make things worse,
Speaker 1: we felt kind of unprotected because we felt like these
Speaker 1: masks which we used to use daily and toss out
Speaker 1: after one, use not think about it. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we're not readily available and we're really scarce, and it
Speaker 1: was difficult to be able to even get one oftentimes.
Speaker 1: So that was the beginning of what started my thinking
Speaker 1: about how to address this problem that I saw affecting
Speaker 1: my peers, affecting colleagues and other hospitals across San Diego.
Speaker 1: And it was very real and I could, you know,
Speaker 1: I experienced it firsthand. So what ended up happening was
Speaker 1: I said, well, what is the most scarce ppe that
Speaker 1: we need, and that was masks, and they still are scarce.
Speaker 1: I just want to cut in here real quick to
Speaker 1: say Amy is an e er doctor and yet took
Speaker 1: on more work because she experienced the problem firsthand affecting
Speaker 1: her and her peers. She knew there was a lack
Speaker 1: of awareness about PPE shortages. So she gets involved and
Speaker 1: she starts by simply reaching out to a friend. So
Speaker 1: myself and my friend Grace, my good friend Grace, who
Speaker 1: also has a lot of family members who are in
Speaker 1: emergency medicine frontline providers, She and I decided to undertake
Speaker 1: vetting or sourcing. Vetting is like it like the improper term,
Speaker 1: but sourcing and trying to find legitimate and nine ourselves.
Speaker 1: We decided to just try to take it into our hands,
Speaker 1: try to get ninety fives and try to get it
Speaker 1: to people that needed them. So that search, what did
Speaker 1: that look like? That was crazy? So she has two kids,
Speaker 1: I have three, and you know, we have families. So
Speaker 1: we would every night after they were all to bed
Speaker 1: and everything was done in the house, we would we
Speaker 1: would just sit together. They're on the phone and on
Speaker 1: the computer and just search and search until like two
Speaker 1: or three am every night, looking for you know, legitimate suppliers,
Speaker 1: looking for sources, and then really we just got into
Speaker 1: the minutia of what is a real and ninety five
Speaker 1: and what is a fake one? And we came up
Speaker 1: with a protocol on how we would determine this um
Speaker 1: and in the end, honestly, what happened was we came
Speaker 1: to dead ends because most of the nine out there
Speaker 1: were counterfeit, and we decided to kind of think outside
Speaker 1: of the box and we thought, well, what and nine
Speaker 1: would be legitimate? And we thought, well, why are there
Speaker 1: counterfeit and ninety five now to begin with, it's because
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. So we reached We're thinking, let's try
Speaker 1: to reach the ninety five that were pre pandemic because
Speaker 1: there was no motivation to make them counterfeit at that time.
Speaker 1: So this was like the seed for a last Mile
Speaker 1: San Diego. We started reaching out to the community. We
Speaker 1: reached out to surfboard shapers, construction workers, families who had
Speaker 1: earthquake kits and emergency kits that they happened to have
Speaker 1: a bunch of the nine in their garage and didn't
Speaker 1: even realize it. So we really kind of did this
Speaker 1: large scale community based mission to gather and nine that
Speaker 1: the community had to donate to us. So if you've
Speaker 1: got counterfeit and there's no proof that they can filter
Speaker 1: the stars Kobe to virus, and there's no proof that
Speaker 1: they're actually protecting anyone. So we wanted verified and legitimate masks,
Speaker 1: and obviously it's not helping anyone to distribute something that's
Speaker 1: not going to protect us against the virus. Did you
Speaker 1: set up a phone tree? Did you put up an
Speaker 1: ad on Facebook? Like? What did that outreach look like?
Speaker 1: And who else was involved? So, honestly, it was a
Speaker 1: lot of just interpersonal connections. We reached out because Grace's
Speaker 1: family is very involved in surfing and the surf community,
Speaker 1: so she reached out to surfboard shapers that were like
Speaker 1: prominent in our community. Um, I actually had a banner
Speaker 1: in my backyard because my backyard faces the trail. So
Speaker 1: we got this huge banner made asking for help, and
Speaker 1: people would walk by on the trail and myself or
Speaker 1: my husband and would stop by and talk to them
Speaker 1: because they would ask me what is this about? And
Speaker 1: so we kind of spread things word of mouth through
Speaker 1: the community and people that were walking by, and they
Speaker 1: actually showed a lot of interest. They would post on
Speaker 1: the next door app, they would post on their social media.
Speaker 1: We posted on our personal social media because at that
Speaker 1: time we hadn't organized our last mile social media, so
Speaker 1: that's really how it began. Very grassroots, very community oriented,
Speaker 1: and just from that, we went from twenty masks two
Speaker 1: hundreds of masks that were like dropped at my doorstep
Speaker 1: at all times of the day. And it was very
Speaker 1: inspiring to see and like very touching to see that
Speaker 1: people really care, even if it was five masks, they
Speaker 1: would come and just bring whatever they had. People in
Speaker 1: Orange County who saw my Facebook post, you know, offer
Speaker 1: their masks and that was really you know, that was
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Did you did you feel a bit like
Speaker 1: a drug dealer accepting these packages dropped off at all
Speaker 1: hours at your ho It was weird. There would be
Speaker 1: like random people parked in front of my house, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very It was kind of a little weird
Speaker 1: because he's un any five that's like they were so
Speaker 1: precious and they are so How has this effort evolved
Speaker 1: from strangers dropping off unmarked packages in your front yard
Speaker 1: to something even more today? What does it look like now?
Speaker 1: We realized that we needed to, you know, expand our efforts,
Speaker 1: so we started reaching out each of us to our
Speaker 1: friends and family and contacts, and eventually one connection after another,
Speaker 1: I ended up getting linked to Last Mile at which
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for, and linked to Elizabeth Stewart, prior
Speaker 1: lead of Last Mile l A, and that was a
Speaker 1: very pivotal connection. She took us under her wing and
Speaker 1: was already connected to Last Mile National, Last Mile New York,
Speaker 1: New York City, and we became a part of her
Speaker 1: group just because of just by talking to friends and
Speaker 1: being interconnected. So with Last Mile l A, Elizabeth showed
Speaker 1: us what they were doing. We were involved in their
Speaker 1: WhatsApp group and zoom meetings, and from there Grace and
Speaker 1: I decided that San Diego needed to have a similar chapter.
Speaker 1: Their philosophy was to deliver PPE directly into the hands
Speaker 1: of providers, because what I was seeing at the hospital
Speaker 1: was that hospital administration, for whatever reason, wasn't giving us
Speaker 1: PP and even if they were donated, we don't know
Speaker 1: what the reasoning us, but we didn't receive them. So
Speaker 1: we felt the best way to help was to deliver
Speaker 1: directly into the hands of people that needed them. So
Speaker 1: we donated to thirteen hospitals and clinics in Tijuana. We've
Speaker 1: been doing that for a few months because they have
Speaker 1: so little resources and so little PPE, and you know,
Speaker 1: we wanted to reach out and help them and we
Speaker 1: were able to do that, and we're continuing to do that.
Speaker 1: Every week we have batches of donations going to them
Speaker 1: UM and we're also focusing on areas near the border. Recently,
Speaker 1: I was excited we have open connections to Barrio Logan.
Speaker 1: What's Mario Logan. Barrio Logan is the southern portion of
Speaker 1: San Diego. It's part of the Promise Zone. I think
Speaker 1: there are twenty two Promised Zones in the US which
Speaker 1: are identified by the government as the most impoverished in
Speaker 1: communities under most arrests, and this area is the most
Speaker 1: highly afflicted with co OVID. This area includes parts of
Speaker 1: Chula Vista National City and so we have currently been
Speaker 1: able to tap into that region and we just actually
Speaker 1: hosted and helped to host a drive by donation drive
Speaker 1: for the community members. He's of the children. They're homeless,
Speaker 1: people are living in their cars, they don't have PPE
Speaker 1: when they're going to work. The particular organization we're collaborating
Speaker 1: with is called the Good Neighbor Project and it's headed
Speaker 1: by John Alvarado, who was born and raised and it's
Speaker 1: like he was. I was there last weekend at the
Speaker 1: drive and he's like the mayor of Brio Logan. He
Speaker 1: was walking around, he knew everybody's name, and you know,
Speaker 1: so we're working with him because he's part of the community.
Speaker 1: And um he's opening doors to let us try to help,
Speaker 1: including Santa Cedro Health Clinic, which is right at the
Speaker 1: border and they are a super hot slot with I
Speaker 1: think they that area has the highest number of COVID deaths.
Speaker 1: The show was about the power that we have as
Speaker 1: citizens to help shape our communities, to help each other out,
Speaker 1: to put the benefit of the mini ahead of the few.
Speaker 1: And so what you just articulated feels very much aligned
Speaker 1: with the mission of this show. How do you think
Speaker 1: in light of your answer about your power as a citizen. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's been an amazing journey, just like for myself as
Speaker 1: a person, but also in the way that I see
Speaker 1: the community and people in general. Um. I had never
Speaker 1: thought I would be a leader in this capacity and
Speaker 1: be able to do what we've done. I think that
Speaker 1: people underestimate the power they have as individuals. You know,
Speaker 1: I came into this, Oh I didn't mention I don't
Speaker 1: think I mentioned that I had COVID. No, that little,
Speaker 1: that small detail, you did not say that earlier. Way
Speaker 1: to bury the lead. Dr Amy, its servous. That's all right,
Speaker 1: you're you're relaxed. Now, let these dramatic facts fly. So also,
Speaker 1: I was I was sick with COVID after being in
Speaker 1: the e er, and I was sick for two months,
Speaker 1: to the point that my pul socks, like you know,
Speaker 1: my oxygen level was in the eighties. When I would
Speaker 1: walk on the flight of stairs, I thought I had
Speaker 1: to go to hospital and be admitted. And this went
Speaker 1: on for two months, and I was really worried. And
Speaker 1: so that was the time when Grace and I started
Speaker 1: our journey and started sourcing and ninety five. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a huge impetus. Was like I was a
Speaker 1: patient and a provider, and I I saw both sides
Speaker 1: of it, and you know, I didn't want anyone else
Speaker 1: to be at risk for that. That was a huge thing.
Speaker 1: I missed that. So you were starting to say that
Speaker 1: you think we underestimate the power that we have. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I have no background in being a leader or a
Speaker 1: nonprofit organization or anything similar to what I'm doing now,
Speaker 1: not even close. And I think that if you believe
Speaker 1: in something and you just take the steps to communicate
Speaker 1: with people and make connections in relationship ups, I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the most important things, saying positive, believing
Speaker 1: that you can make a difference and take a whatever
Speaker 1: role you want to take it, whether it's leadership or contributions.
Speaker 1: I think that everybody can do a lot more than
Speaker 1: they realize as a citizen. This is exactly what we did,
Speaker 1: and we just found ways that were uncharted and we
Speaker 1: were able to do a lot in our time. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just for numbers sake, We've delivered four thousand, seven
Speaker 1: sev PPE to nineteen hospitals and two seventeen providers in
Speaker 1: San Diego. For someone listening to this who is motivated
Speaker 1: by your story and connects with it um and wants
Speaker 1: to help their community through this pandemic that some of
Speaker 1: us feel somewhat abandoned by, whether it's a hospital administrator
Speaker 1: or a layer of our government. But once it happ
Speaker 1: into that power they have. What advice would you offer them?
Speaker 1: What would you ask them to do to help their communities? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I would tell them to look into local groups and
Speaker 1: local organizations, close to them, and it depends on their
Speaker 1: level of how involved they would want to be, whether
Speaker 1: it's financial donations, volunteer work with their expertise or strengths,
Speaker 1: or if they want to take a leadership role and
Speaker 1: form their own group. I think at any level, if
Speaker 1: they reach out and take some kind of action and communication,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's really key, and I think
Speaker 1: that they will find that they have a lot more
Speaker 1: power to affect change than they realized, because that's my experience.
Speaker 1: I did not realize that we could do so much
Speaker 1: at the outset of this journey, like just one connection
Speaker 1: leads to another connection, which leads to important collaborations and
Speaker 1: the power to take action on those relationships and what
Speaker 1: they have to offer. So I would have us people
Speaker 1: to not overlook discussion, joining local groups, reaching out to them,
Speaker 1: and not feel that just because you are one individual
Speaker 1: in the community that you can't make some kind of difference.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, just even more simply as
Speaker 1: a citizen, even being a responsible citizen in this time,
Speaker 1: taking the proper precautions, you know, adhering to public health
Speaker 1: guidelines and just being a responsible person for yourself impacts
Speaker 1: a ton of people. You know, masking, etcetera distancing, So
Speaker 1: even just that makes a big difference. So that's what
Speaker 1: I would say. Well, you have definitely inspired me, Amy,
Speaker 1: um and I already knew a bit of your story,
Speaker 1: but I learned a lot more just now. Thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing your time, Thanks for sharing your story. Really
Speaker 1: appreciate absolutely. I think that everybody can make a contribution,
Speaker 1: and I definitely believe this from what I've experienced. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: so I'm back. It's just me and you for a second.
Speaker 1: If there is anyone who could have called it a
Speaker 1: day in the middle of a pandemic, I think it's
Speaker 1: an emergency medicine doctor. I think they've got enough to
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna take a nap now, I'm on
Speaker 1: the front lines, and Dr Amy, I'm in Laurie did
Speaker 1: not do that. She kept going, she kept giving, she
Speaker 1: kept learning, and pushed herself well out of her comfort zone,
Speaker 1: all while she had the rown up. Did you hear
Speaker 1: how she almost forgot to tell me that she had
Speaker 1: COVID herself. I didn't know that going into that interview.
Speaker 1: Amy's not alone. There are so many others out there
Speaker 1: who are tapping into their networks valuing the collective over
Speaker 1: themselves as individuals. And another such person as Danielle Allen,
Speaker 1: an ethicist, a professional ethicist. Now what us doesn't ethicist
Speaker 1: have to do with the pandemic? Keep listening and let's
Speaker 1: find out. Danielle Allen is the James Bryant Connent University
Speaker 1: Professor at Harvard University. I know it sounds fancy, It's fancy.
Speaker 1: She's also the director of Harvard's Edmund J. Saffer Center
Speaker 1: for Ethics, where she now spearheads their COVID nineteen response initiative.
Speaker 1: Her team published the Roadmap to Pandemic Resilience. It was
Speaker 1: the nation's first comprehensive operational roadmap from mobilizing and reopening
Speaker 1: the U S economy in the midst of the COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen crisis. If you saw my Instagram videos on when
Speaker 1: can we go out? And how we reopened? They were
Speaker 1: powered by this work. As if her expertise on the
Speaker 1: Rhona response weren't enough, Danielle served as the co chair
Speaker 1: of the Bipartisan Commission on the Practice of Democratic Citizenship
Speaker 1: and co authored its report titled Our Common Purpose, Reinventing
Speaker 1: American Democracy for the twenty one century. She co shared
Speaker 1: that along with our episode one guest Eric Luke, to
Speaker 1: take a listen. Danielle is an expert on injustice, citizenship,
Speaker 1: and democracy. She's authored several books on all those topics.
Speaker 1: She's a contributing columnist to The Washington Post. Basically, her
Speaker 1: life's work has made her perfect for how to citizen
Speaker 1: and for how to approach this moment, this pandemic moment
Speaker 1: from the lens of people Power. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Danielle,
Speaker 1: Thank you very today. It is great to be here.
Speaker 1: I am so glad to talk with you. I love
Speaker 1: the title of your new podcast. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: and it's good to see you again. Um, thank you
Speaker 1: for saying yes. And I want to jump right into
Speaker 1: it because your work sent on justice, democracy, and equality,
Speaker 1: and none of those is the word epidemiology. So what
Speaker 1: do justice, democracy and equality have to do with the pandemic. Well,
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I think, right from the get go, showed
Speaker 1: us that there were these incredibly horrible ruptures or social contract.
Speaker 1: We've known that in some ways for a long time,
Speaker 1: but I think it just really put it right in
Speaker 1: our face. So for me, in the very very beginning,
Speaker 1: I was shocked by how quickly some people moved to saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe if older people get it worse, maybe
Speaker 1: it's just spare time. Well you know people are incarcerated, Well,
Speaker 1: you know they get the punishment. There's just this really
Speaker 1: rapid move to abandon parts of our society to this
Speaker 1: really terrible disease. And that was very, very shocking to me.
Speaker 1: And so as somebody who is the head of an
Speaker 1: ethics center, I reached out immediately to people that I
Speaker 1: knew who are working on kondemic response to ask a question,
Speaker 1: have an ethics center help, because I think we need
Speaker 1: to pursue answers that start from the proposition that we
Speaker 1: don't abandon anybody. What does it mean when a society,
Speaker 1: when a government starts to say that this loss is acceptable,
Speaker 1: starts to abandon entire sUAS of society. What does that
Speaker 1: do to the legitimacy of the project? From my point
Speaker 1: of view, that just it means it's not legitimate, you know,
Speaker 1: right at that point. In other words, you know, this
Speaker 1: is where I am at some level of deep traditionalist.
Speaker 1: I go back to the words of the Declaration of Independence,
Speaker 1: and in that text it articulates the theory of revolution,
Speaker 1: the right of revolution, but that the right of revolution
Speaker 1: is grounded on the idea that human beings build governments
Speaker 1: in order to secure the safety and happiness of the people.
Speaker 1: That's the language of the decoration, the safety and happiness
Speaker 1: of the whole people. And it's not about an individual happiness.
Speaker 1: There is that individual moment too, that's not the pres
Speaker 1: it to happiness, but it's connected to the idea that
Speaker 1: we secure people institutions to secure our safety and happiness.
Speaker 1: So when the government's not doing that, when it is
Speaker 1: self consciously not pursuing the safety and happiness of the
Speaker 1: whole people, it's by definition violated the sort of terms
Speaker 1: of its original employment. It's the people, from my point
Speaker 1: of view, at that point, need to reorganize, the need
Speaker 1: to redesign, rebuild, so that they have institutions that are
Speaker 1: actually pursuing and delivering safety and happiness for all. You
Speaker 1: use this phrase, you see that I asked myself how
Speaker 1: can I help? And then my exposure and experience to you,
Speaker 1: like literally a friend sent me a white paper via
Speaker 1: text message, which lets you know a little something about
Speaker 1: who my friends are big nerds, geek Central. Here we
Speaker 1: go and so for clarification and disclosure to the listener.
Speaker 1: I read this paper, I was moved, and I reached out,
Speaker 1: and someone there reached out and I got roped in
Speaker 1: to part of your efforts, Danielle, And if you were
Speaker 1: going to fess up to that, I am going I
Speaker 1: will confess my my sins of citizenship and civic mindedness.
Speaker 1: And and I jumped on video calls with you and
Speaker 1: your team and saw drafts of things, and what impressed
Speaker 1: me was this coalition that you had assembled. I think
Speaker 1: when I heard that someone from an ethics department at
Speaker 1: Harvard University had something to say about pandemics, I'm like,
Speaker 1: great more Ivory Tower, thinking, how's that going to help
Speaker 1: on the ground. But then I looked at the participants
Speaker 1: and you had technologists, and you had biologists and public
Speaker 1: health officials, you had lawyers, you had economists conservative and liberal,
Speaker 1: and so talk to me about the relationships that you
Speaker 1: leaned into, forged or built on to be helpful and
Speaker 1: what you wanted that form of help to look like. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing all that, and I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you did pass up to your own participation. Baritone Day
Speaker 1: was critical in the effort of a big network of
Speaker 1: people to figure out not just you know, what's the
Speaker 1: right answer to the pandemic, but also how do we
Speaker 1: communicate broadly to a public and get people on board
Speaker 1: for a shared purpose of responding in ways that are
Speaker 1: about the safety and well being of everybody. So we
Speaker 1: needed Bear Tunity's voice there to help us think through
Speaker 1: that project of communication and telling a story about all
Speaker 1: of us together. So very today, you were fundamental to
Speaker 1: our work. I hope you know that. Thank you for
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm going to make that the headline of
Speaker 1: this episode. We're done here. Thank you so much. Our
Speaker 1: guest today was Danielle Allen. I saved America by very exactly.
Speaker 1: But please continue with the part that I'm really interested in,
Speaker 1: which is not about me. I love the question, and
Speaker 1: I think I canna start from at the end rather
Speaker 1: than the beginning, because we did build a huge network
Speaker 1: of incredibly varied people, from epidemologists and public health folks
Speaker 1: and doctors and clinicians to mayors to county public health officials,
Speaker 1: to visual artists to YouTube stars you who have Cervilion
Speaker 1: subscribers to their YouTube channel, the whole gamut technologists, and
Speaker 1: what I learned from the experience of doing this was
Speaker 1: to have great faith, honestly, and all of us, you know,
Speaker 1: the people in Americans from all over the place, who
Speaker 1: all kind of ran to a fire and said, here
Speaker 1: are the specific skills I can bring to bear, how
Speaker 1: can I help um? So that was the sort of
Speaker 1: what everybody was doing. Why did we start building a
Speaker 1: big network? It was in the beginning a very simple reason.
Speaker 1: It was just because we heard our elected officials giving
Speaker 1: us false choices. They were presenting a situation where it was,
Speaker 1: you know, people kept saying over wherever we had a
Speaker 1: pick between protecting lives and protecting livelihoods, health or the economy,
Speaker 1: that was a false choice. From a very very beginning,
Speaker 1: that was a false choice. And in order to be
Speaker 1: able to prove that it was a false choice, that
Speaker 1: is actually possible to align the objectives of protecting life,
Speaker 1: protecting langlagoods, and protecting liberties, we needed people who were
Speaker 1: experts across all of those different dimensions. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: enough just to have a health conversation or does have
Speaker 1: an economists conversation. We needed every kind of piece of
Speaker 1: expertise that was being touched by the pandemic, and when
Speaker 1: you sort of started to tally up all the different
Speaker 1: kinds of expertise that were relevant, it was basically everything.
Speaker 1: So we were looking for people who were really smart
Speaker 1: and really creative. Um, but we're just across the board
Speaker 1: in areas of expertise and so and the messaging and
Speaker 1: communication mattered a lot, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think what our fundamental belief came down to was
Speaker 1: that the quality of our response would depend on how
Speaker 1: strong a sense of mutual commitment we could inspire among
Speaker 1: Americans to one another. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the people who do build that foundation of mutual commitment
Speaker 1: amongst us are our artists, are communicators, are storytellers, um.
Speaker 1: So that work is just so important. Mutual commitment is
Speaker 1: a great phrase. And it leads to my follow up,
Speaker 1: which has to do with what you're seeing that maybe
Speaker 1: many of us are not. As I look at the
Speaker 1: home pages of major news outlets and listen to the
Speaker 1: various feeds, I see a failure and I hear a
Speaker 1: negative message. But I'm hoping you have seen this mutuality
Speaker 1: you just described, this social contract at work in some
Speaker 1: region in some way. Is there good news to share.
Speaker 1: On that front, there is good news. I can't say
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. I have to agree with you that at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we have to fit um
Speaker 1: that as a country we failed. I mean I had
Speaker 1: done se many thousand people are dead. This was unnecessary
Speaker 1: and preventable, and I do think that the failure UM
Speaker 1: falls on the charge accounts of our elected officials, of
Speaker 1: leaders of variety of different organizations. And I do actually
Speaker 1: think that the country deserves something like this. The nine
Speaker 1: eleven Commission UM, that's got a lot of time figure
Speaker 1: out what happened, what went wrong that we failed as
Speaker 1: badly as we did, So do you think that's important?
Speaker 1: At the same time that's true, what are the glimmers
Speaker 1: of hope UM? I mean, we have seen communities come
Speaker 1: together in remarkable ways, and we have seen mayors who
Speaker 1: have called out volunteer organizations and figured out how to
Speaker 1: deliver food UM and housing options for people who need
Speaker 1: to deal with quarantine and isolation. Can I ask you
Speaker 1: to name names? This is the opposite of shame, Like
Speaker 1: I'm eager to hear who's doing it right? What can
Speaker 1: you share with well? I want to call out mayor
Speaker 1: Ceve Benjamin from Columbia, South Carolina. And I mean what
Speaker 1: I call out somebody that doesn't necessarily mean that the
Speaker 1: case incidents is low in their community, because sometimes they're
Speaker 1: struggling against a larger system where they're not getting support.
Speaker 1: So Mayor Ceve Benjamin and Columbia, South Carolina has worked
Speaker 1: incredibly hard to keep his community safe. He has brought
Speaker 1: knowledge for community, he has activated resources, volunteer services, even
Speaker 1: though he had a governor who was saying, we're not
Speaker 1: shutting down, uh, you know, we're not doing masking, etcetera.
Speaker 1: So he was putting out the masking messages all kinds
Speaker 1: of things, even though his governor wasn't. M Mayre Cabalden
Speaker 1: in West Sacramento, California has been extraordinary. He's somebody who
Speaker 1: has a deep understanding of HIV AIDS and how that
Speaker 1: devastated communities and how contact tracing in that context to
Speaker 1: turn the tide and the fact that it required ownership
Speaker 1: by local communities um in order to turn the tide
Speaker 1: on the disease, So the people affected by the disease
Speaker 1: needed to own the process of contact tracing, for example.
Speaker 1: And so he really drove a big project of education
Speaker 1: and dissemination around what contact tracing is UM for the
Speaker 1: U S Conference of Mayors, And I think you really
Speaker 1: transformed the conversation um within his community of municipal leaders
Speaker 1: on that point. So those are just two people to start,
Speaker 1: and yet I could go on, and I think I've
Speaker 1: seen mayors do rem hornkiable things over the course of
Speaker 1: this pandemic. There had been calls by you and others
Speaker 1: for a while for regional response, you know, in the
Speaker 1: absence of an organized federal government response. I even joked
Speaker 1: that maybe states could get together and form their own
Speaker 1: more perfect union, a sort of federalized system of service delivery.
Speaker 1: Is that something you're seeing happen above the level of mayor,
Speaker 1: but below the level of say a White House, Pennsylvania Avenue.
Speaker 1: It is happening. Um, It's absolutely happening. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: states have without capacity. I mean, I'm very fortunate to
Speaker 1: live in Massachusetts, which is built up a pretty robust
Speaker 1: infrastructure of testing and contact tracing and supported isolation and
Speaker 1: actually has COVID under reasonable control at the moment um.
Speaker 1: We did also manage to achieve bipartisan legislation introduced in
Speaker 1: both the Senate and the House, and to deliver testing
Speaker 1: funds to states and funds to support contact tracing. A
Speaker 1: compromise amount that I'm a PATS that passed seventy dollars
Speaker 1: for this work in May, and then the Senate Republicans
Speaker 1: passed sixteen billion in the form of the Heels actually
Speaker 1: the Heroes Act and the Heel Is Acting. This bipartisan
Speaker 1: legislation introduced in early August is a fifty billion dollar package,
Speaker 1: so compromise package, and it rewards regional collaborations, so it's
Speaker 1: also incentivizing the sort of further formation obasional collaborations. Um.
Speaker 1: And this package has been held up because of negotiations
Speaker 1: in Congress and because of the bitterness of our polarization.
Speaker 1: In all honesty, so the Democrats, as you know, are
Speaker 1: fighting to protect voting and to protect elections. There's also
Speaker 1: a fight around employment insurance and so forth, and the
Speaker 1: bitterness of that fight and those issues is literally blocking
Speaker 1: investment in our public health response. For me, this is
Speaker 1: where I have to really just want to sort of
Speaker 1: shake our entire country and say like, look, you know
Speaker 1: we have that our polaristication gets so bad and it's
Speaker 1: like literally killing us and so then there's a long
Speaker 1: debate we have and who's responsible that. I understand that,
Speaker 1: but we start to recognize the magnitude of the problem.
Speaker 1: We have a definition of citizenship at this show, which
Speaker 1: is to to see it as a verb, and there's
Speaker 1: kind of four components as we've emerged into it. One
Speaker 1: is two citizens to show up right. It's to participate
Speaker 1: in the process and not just totally outsourced things. Two
Speaker 1: citizens to relate to other people and see our interconnectedness
Speaker 1: as an essential part of who we are. Two citizen
Speaker 1: is to understand power in the different ways that we
Speaker 1: can use it and wield it in the society. And
Speaker 1: two citizen is to put the benefit of the many
Speaker 1: above the interest of just oneself or the few. So
Speaker 1: I'm curious, given your work, given your perspective, and given
Speaker 1: your years of study, what is your definition of a
Speaker 1: citizen or to citizens? But yours is beautiful and it
Speaker 1: captures a lot of what I've focused on. So my
Speaker 1: definition of the citizen is to contribute to shaping the
Speaker 1: decisions of one's community. So to be a co creator.
Speaker 1: I like the vocabulary of w ebd Boys who talked
Speaker 1: about being a co creator in the kingdom of culture,
Speaker 1: and I do think that to be a citizens to
Speaker 1: be a co creator in the kingdom of culture, in
Speaker 1: our society of law, in our society of social norms
Speaker 1: and expectations. So that's for me, the core and the
Speaker 1: eddy of co creation. Yeah, what is your day to
Speaker 1: day like with all this work? I mean, you have
Speaker 1: a couple of jobs, you write these Washington Post columns,
Speaker 1: you huddle with mayors apparently, Like, how is your day
Speaker 1: shifted throughout this crisis? What does it look like now? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: the biggest change is that until about a week ago,
Speaker 1: I had a daily meeting nine pm every day for
Speaker 1: the first three months of the crisis, eighty five am
Speaker 1: every day for the second half with core members of
Speaker 1: my broad response network. So that was a different thing
Speaker 1: for me. So every day was kind of organized by
Speaker 1: what we're trying to move forward. And so our life
Speaker 1: in my network has been in I think it's sort
Speaker 1: of the alphabet soup of our country's connective tissue. And
Speaker 1: what do I mean by that? So we all know
Speaker 1: we have a federal government, we've gout the states, we've
Speaker 1: got cities, and many of us know we have the
Speaker 1: National Governors Association n g A. But did you know
Speaker 1: we also have the National Association of State Procurement Officers
Speaker 1: and the National Association of City ac County Health Officials,
Speaker 1: and the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials and
Speaker 1: the Natural Association of County Officials, and it just goes
Speaker 1: on and on. This is the alphabet soup of professional
Speaker 1: associations that connect elected leaders and appointed officials at all levels.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that that world is a beautiful
Speaker 1: place because the people in those associations they love this country,
Speaker 1: they love their fellow Americans, and they have all been working.
Speaker 1: There are hearts out to do the right thing and
Speaker 1: to deliver an effective code with response. And so that's
Speaker 1: you know, my day has been living in that alphabet suit,
Speaker 1: and it has shown me where power is that people
Speaker 1: often have not recognized. You know, you don't think about
Speaker 1: the National Association of State Procurement Officers as your first
Speaker 1: stop when you're trying to citizen, as Baritone Day says,
Speaker 1: but it's actually really great place to citizen. In fact, yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate this shout out to procurement officers. It has
Speaker 1: never been a headline I have seen celebrated in any
Speaker 1: publication I've ever read. So thank you for recognizing that
Speaker 1: semi secret power that we have, this concept of co
Speaker 1: creating a kingdom of culture that you cite two boys for,
Speaker 1: what does the co creation of our culture look like
Speaker 1: in this moment? So I think for me, one of
Speaker 1: the most important things there is the concept of power sharing.
Speaker 1: Martin's are king in Um. One of his essays said,
Speaker 1: at a certain point, you know, everybody thinks that civil
Speaker 1: rights about laws changing laws. Actually what we really have
Speaker 1: to do is pursue organizational transformation across all the organizations
Speaker 1: in our country. And I do think that's true. And
Speaker 1: so when I think about what it means to be
Speaker 1: a co creator in the kingdom of culture, it's about
Speaker 1: art and language and the way in art and language
Speaker 1: we share power and learn the vocabulary of power sharing.
Speaker 1: And then it's about how we take that vocabulary and
Speaker 1: ethical commitment to power sharing into every organization that we're
Speaker 1: part of. Power sharing. Yeah, it sounds really great for
Speaker 1: those who haven't had it historically and really threatening to
Speaker 1: those who have all too often. But that's the thing
Speaker 1: is that it needn't be, because there is this incredible
Speaker 1: beauty that comes from bringing people together across incredible diversity
Speaker 1: and empowering them to work together because you get more,
Speaker 1: like human entity gets more from that collaboration across lines
Speaker 1: of diversity. And for me, this is sort of how
Speaker 1: human potential is realized to its fullest. So it's true,
Speaker 1: I know that when people aren't used to power sharing
Speaker 1: or where they're where they're used to work in kind
Speaker 1: of more homogeneous context, it can be scary, but that's
Speaker 1: where for me, and so we're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to open up people to anticipate the beauty and
Speaker 1: the power of the result is critical. Yeah, well, you
Speaker 1: know it is a big project and I got some
Speaker 1: thoughts on it. This show was one of those thoughts
Speaker 1: stretched out over multiple episodes with many talented people trying
Speaker 1: to make it happen. And I think it's about writing
Speaker 1: a news story of ourselves that expands the opportunity and
Speaker 1: doesn't see that expansion as a threat but as like
Speaker 1: more riches for us, all everybody rich. Now. As I
Speaker 1: said in one of my talks a while back, we
Speaker 1: try to keep a promise on this show to give
Speaker 1: people action that they can take two be a contributor,
Speaker 1: to be a citizen, in the big sense, not the
Speaker 1: legal status sense, but the active sense, and in your words,
Speaker 1: I guess to co create this new story. So, given
Speaker 1: the context of why you're here, giving your expertise, in
Speaker 1: your deep knowledge of democracy, justice, and now pandemics, what
Speaker 1: would you give someone listening to this to do to
Speaker 1: help out with this response to the pandemic specifically or
Speaker 1: more broadly, with creating a healthier democracy to live in. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I would give people two jobs. If that's okay,
Speaker 1: it's plenty. You could give seven, you know, two is
Speaker 1: a good number. One of my jobs is thirty one parts, okay,
Speaker 1: but one job is just what I'm doing. Inventory in
Speaker 1: your mind of the organizations that you're a part of,
Speaker 1: that you're already a member of, whether that's a church
Speaker 1: or a workplace, or a community organization or an arts society,
Speaker 1: theater group, and ask yourself, can you see room for
Speaker 1: improvement with regard to how people share power in that
Speaker 1: context and space, and take that conversation forward with the
Speaker 1: people around you. Um, that would be job number one
Speaker 1: and job number two. Can this is my thirty one
Speaker 1: part job is? I would love it if you visited
Speaker 1: the website our Common Purpose at the American Academy of
Speaker 1: Arts and Sciences and think it's just actually our common
Speaker 1: purpose that you google that it should show up. And
Speaker 1: we have made thirty one recommendations for institutional reforms, for
Speaker 1: investment in society, it's capacity to support bridging relationships across
Speaker 1: lines of difference, and for transformations to our political a
Speaker 1: civic culture. And they're particularly votes on telling a new
Speaker 1: story of ourselves, telling a rich story, a complete story,
Speaker 1: and accurate story, clear eyed story of ourselves. And look
Speaker 1: at those and figure out there's a list of thirty
Speaker 1: one recommendations, which is the one that speaks most to you.
Speaker 1: And you'll find on the website as well champions organizations
Speaker 1: that are working on that particular reform. Reach out to them,
Speaker 1: sign up. Maybe they need a volunteer, maybe they could
Speaker 1: use a donation, maybe they just need you to spread
Speaker 1: the word. There's all kinds of jobs to do, so
Speaker 1: think of that website as a job shopping list. Find
Speaker 1: the right one for you, and then work on power
Speaker 1: sharing in your own organizations. I love it. It's like
Speaker 1: a small d democratic task rabbit. Uh what it is?
Speaker 1: We are going to transition into questions that have been
Speaker 1: coming from our live studio audience. This question is from
Speaker 1: Chosina Reeves in Brooklyn. A CBS poll recently revealed that
Speaker 1: fifty seven percent of Republicans believe the pandemic has been
Speaker 1: handled in an acceptable way. Only ten percent of Democrats do.
Speaker 1: How do we co create our culture when we are
Speaker 1: so far part on something as fundamental as a pandemic.
Speaker 1: I do like to observe when we hear those kinds
Speaker 1: of statistics that the Republican Party has been shrinking so well,
Speaker 1: it's true that pented Republicans have that view, or maybe
Speaker 1: I presume it's true. It is a smaller group of
Speaker 1: people than it was a few years ago. It's important
Speaker 1: to keep that in mind. And at this point, more
Speaker 1: Americans are not affiliated by a party than are in
Speaker 1: a party. And so I do think if we focus
Speaker 1: on all those folks who are not affiliated with the party, UM,
Speaker 1: I think we find that there's a lot of deeper
Speaker 1: base for connection with one another than it looks. When
Speaker 1: we really focus on the parties and how the parties
Speaker 1: are expressing themselves and interacting with each other. NED will
Speaker 1: go to you. You can ask your own question in
Speaker 1: your own voice. So when there's so much selfishness from
Speaker 1: people who are are resisting things like wearing masks or
Speaker 1: or pushing things to you know, get back to school.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be inconvenience, so I don't want
Speaker 1: to be bothered. And if some people die, some people die.
Speaker 1: If part of our task is telling that new story,
Speaker 1: how do we do that without just yelling at people,
Speaker 1: because it's so infuriating to just put into that kind
Speaker 1: of self internest. That is a great question. And I
Speaker 1: have a friend who is lives in South Carolina and
Speaker 1: she's been sending me sort of email snippets for the
Speaker 1: last few miles of conversations that she's tried to have
Speaker 1: where she's tried to convince people to take the pandemic seriously.
Speaker 1: This is where I use the language of social contract.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this is what it works.
Speaker 1: One is trying to have this conversation, But for me,
Speaker 1: it's useful to remind myself what I'm trying to do,
Speaker 1: which is to say, I have to recognize that we've
Speaker 1: reached a place in the country where at a deep level,
Speaker 1: we're not committed to each other um and that is
Speaker 1: exhibited in any number of ways, and it's also exhibited
Speaker 1: in our kind of idea logical polarization. And so I
Speaker 1: tried to make myself my own kind of test case.
Speaker 1: UM so that I try to like literally just feel commitment,
Speaker 1: which sounds kind of bizarre, but that I say what
Speaker 1: I'm feeling infuriated, I try to register that and ask myself, well,
Speaker 1: what would commitment feel like? And if this were a
Speaker 1: person in my family and I was infuriated about them
Speaker 1: for something else, how would I work through that theory
Speaker 1: in order to still try to do the right thing
Speaker 1: by them in terms of if I need to bring
Speaker 1: them along or whatever else it is I need to do.
Speaker 1: So I literally do just try to tap into my
Speaker 1: own emotional being to find reserves of fellow feeling that
Speaker 1: can be hard to tap into, and try to like
Speaker 1: think through those feelings to figure out what the right
Speaker 1: response would be. See, you answered a question I for
Speaker 1: kind of didn't realize I had, or maybe forgot I had,
Speaker 1: which is, look, Daniel, my image of you was as
Speaker 1: this person who's been trying to save the country, just
Speaker 1: the country's unwillingness to be saved. Right, you'd be dropping
Speaker 1: these papers, You're all these conference calls, you're rolling with
Speaker 1: procurement officers and mayors, You've got plans and maps, and
Speaker 1: I know you didn't do all this yourself. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to give you credit for everything, but you're associated
Speaker 1: with so much labor on behalf of the many, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how does she keep going? Because I'm seeing
Speaker 1: elected officials and budget you know, deciding people saying this
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's not real, it's a hoax, and yet
Speaker 1: you keep going. So can you offer a little bit
Speaker 1: more about what keeps you encouraged because you're even more
Speaker 1: exposed to the frustration from my perspective than most of us. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it's pretty basic, which
Speaker 1: is I think that right now, and then you kind
Speaker 1: of encounter something where, yeah, I think the only possible
Speaker 1: attitude toward it is failure is not an option. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, I can't go one way, I'll
Speaker 1: go around the failure is not an option. Not much fine,
Speaker 1: So you know, the road is long, longer than I
Speaker 1: ever imagined or hoped for. But I just, um, from
Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart believe failure is not an option.
Speaker 1: So you know what I don't know is how long
Speaker 1: it will take us till we get to the right place.
Speaker 1: But I know there's a right place for us to
Speaker 1: get to. Thank you, Danielle Alan from the Edmund J.
Speaker 1: Safford Center at Harvard. From the American Academy of Arts
Speaker 1: and Sciences, from the Washington Post. From the Society of
Speaker 1: State Procurement Officers secret semisecret Zoom Meetings. Thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing your way of citizening with us. We look forward
Speaker 1: to doing more and looking forward to see what else
Speaker 1: you do with us. It's really been a pleasure and
Speaker 1: honor to have you here. Likewise, it's been really terrific.
Speaker 1: Thank you very day. Hey you, it's me again, and
Speaker 1: it's just us again. Amy and Danielle are clearly fighting
Speaker 1: COVID with everyone and every thing they know, pushing beyond
Speaker 1: their comfort zones, digging into their rolodexes, their networks to
Speaker 1: help us all. And I want to tell you we
Speaker 1: share these stories now because we're trying to put on
Speaker 1: some kind of citizen Olympics where only metal winners get
Speaker 1: to show up. It's actually the opposite. We can all
Speaker 1: citizen as long as we remember the four elements of
Speaker 1: how to citizen that we laid out at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this series four parts. Show up and participate, invest
Speaker 1: in relationships, recognizing our interconnection to others. Understand power and
Speaker 1: use it, and use that power for the benefit of
Speaker 1: the many and not just the few. That's it. That's
Speaker 1: the formula. Now it's your turn. In every episode we
Speaker 1: share things you can do to strengthen your citizen practice,
Speaker 1: and you can find the complete guide to what I'm
Speaker 1: about to say at how to citizen dot com. So
Speaker 1: here are some things you can do. On the internal front.
Speaker 1: We've got two things. First, make a list of all
Speaker 1: the ways you've helped others during this pandemic since March.
Speaker 1: Write it down. I don't want you overlooking what you
Speaker 1: think of as the small or the easy things. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Take a look at that list and be
Speaker 1: proud of your citizenship. Number two, reflect on how else
Speaker 1: you can use who and what you know to make
Speaker 1: a difference during the pandemic. What kind of knowledge or
Speaker 1: people do you have or no that could uniquely benefit
Speaker 1: your unique community. And Then, outside of yourself and this
Speaker 1: reflective exercise, we've got three things lined up. First, support
Speaker 1: the aimys in your community. There is somebody around you
Speaker 1: right now who is practicing how to citizen in a
Speaker 1: really deep way. Who's organized something. If it's not, you
Speaker 1: find out who it is and figure out how to
Speaker 1: support them. Number two a little more work here. Start
Speaker 1: a civic sir cool. This could be a happy hour group.
Speaker 1: This could be a bridge club. This is people you
Speaker 1: know and love, but set an intention of gathering with
Speaker 1: them on a weekly or every other week basis to
Speaker 1: talk about what you're up to. Make it cool. Make
Speaker 1: it a part of your check ins about how you
Speaker 1: are getting involved during this crisis. If you do it
Speaker 1: on Sundays, it can substitute for church or brunch. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I miss brunch. Last, check out the report that Danielle
Speaker 1: Allen co authored Our Common Purpose. Look at those thirty
Speaker 1: one recommendations and commit to helping implement just one of
Speaker 1: them in your local community. Again. Visit how to citizen
Speaker 1: dot com for links and a bigger explanation of all
Speaker 1: of these actions and when you do them. Share them
Speaker 1: with the world posted to the social media's hashtag how
Speaker 1: to citizen, or you can just tell us. Email us
Speaker 1: at action at how to citizen dot com. Help us
Speaker 1: out by putting COVID in the subject line, we're collecting
Speaker 1: all this cool stuff you're doing. By the way, it's beautiful.
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