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Speaker 1: Welcome to How to Citizen with Bariton Day, a show

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Speaker 1: I'm Barton Day. Like any healthy democracy, this show is

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Speaker 1: Now allow me to pass the mic to myself as

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Speaker 1: I set up this episode. We're still living with COVID

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Speaker 1: and we're not living great with it in the United States.

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Speaker 1: But I've said this for a while that what we

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Speaker 1: have lacked in national leadership, we have an abundance on

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Speaker 1: the ground in local and regional cooperation. It's not always

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Speaker 1: those willing to work hard, use their networks, and step up.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we're going to meet two of these individuals,

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Speaker 1: people who left their comfort zones, tapped into their contact

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Speaker 1: list and leverage everything and everyone they know to fight

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Speaker 1: this disease. So that no one has left unprotected. Our

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Speaker 1: guest Danielle Allen said it best in her Washington Post

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Speaker 1: OpEd where she wrote, quote, there was only one real

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Speaker 1: silver bullet. It's called grit. This is a can do country,

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Speaker 1: and our determination to beat the disease is our ultimate weapon.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to Danielle later, but first I need to

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Speaker 1: introduce you to dr Amy. Amen, Larry, I actually know

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Speaker 1: dr Amy personally because of New York City back in March.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth and I have returned from our last trip to

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Speaker 1: that city this year, it seems, and when we departed,

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Speaker 1: our friends in New York were in for a much

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Speaker 1: by COVID nineteen. One of our friends in Brooklyn, Tricia Wong,

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Speaker 1: come for l A and other cities. Later, Tricia reached

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Speaker 1: out to Elizabeth the same Elizabeth, who was an executive

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Speaker 1: l A version of the network. They would call this

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Speaker 1: effort Last Mile PPE. Now it's simply known as Last

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Speaker 1: Mile And you know, I saw our house transformed into

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Speaker 1: I'm Amy, I'm and Luri. I am an emergency physician

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Speaker 1: she starts by simply reaching out to a friend. So

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Speaker 1: myself and my friend Grace, my good friend Grace, who

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Speaker 1: vetting or sourcing. Vetting is like it like the improper term,

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Speaker 1: So this was like the seed for a last Mile

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Speaker 1: San Diego. We started reaching out to the community. We

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Speaker 1: And who else was involved? So, honestly, it was a

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Speaker 1: We realized that we needed to, you know, expand our efforts,

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Speaker 1: so we started reaching out each of us to our

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for, and linked to Elizabeth Stewart, prior

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Speaker 1: I decided that San Diego needed to have a similar chapter.

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Speaker 1: Their philosophy was to deliver PPE directly into the hands

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Speaker 1: right answer to the pandemic, but also how do we

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Speaker 1: communicate broadly to a public and get people on board

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Speaker 1: for a shared purpose of responding in ways that are

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Speaker 1: about the safety and well being of everybody. So we

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Speaker 1: needed Bear Tunity's voice there to help us think through

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Speaker 1: that project of communication and telling a story about all

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Speaker 1: of us together. So very today, you were fundamental to

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Speaker 1: our work. I hope you know that. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: saying that. I'm going to make that the headline of

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Speaker 1: this episode. We're done here. Thank you so much. Our

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Speaker 1: guest today was Danielle Allen. I saved America by very exactly.

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Speaker 1: But please continue with the part that I'm really interested in,

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Speaker 1: which is not about me. I love the question, and

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Speaker 1: I think I canna start from at the end rather

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Speaker 1: than the beginning, because we did build a huge network

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Speaker 1: of incredibly varied people, from epidemologists and public health folks

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Speaker 1: and doctors and clinicians to mayors to county public health officials,

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Speaker 1: to visual artists to YouTube stars you who have Cervilion

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Speaker 1: subscribers to their YouTube channel, the whole gamut technologists, and

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Speaker 1: what I learned from the experience of doing this was

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Speaker 1: to have great faith, honestly, and all of us, you know,

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Speaker 1: the people in Americans from all over the place, who

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Speaker 1: all kind of ran to a fire and said, here

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Speaker 1: are the specific skills I can bring to bear, how

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Speaker 1: can I help um? So that was the sort of

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Speaker 1: what everybody was doing. Why did we start building a

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Speaker 1: big network? It was in the beginning a very simple reason.

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Speaker 1: It was just because we heard our elected officials giving

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Speaker 1: us false choices. They were presenting a situation where it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, people kept saying over wherever we had a

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Speaker 1: pick between protecting lives and protecting livelihoods, health or the economy,

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Speaker 1: that was a false choice. From a very very beginning,

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Speaker 1: that was a false choice. And in order to be

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Speaker 1: able to prove that it was a false choice, that

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Speaker 1: is actually possible to align the objectives of protecting life,

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Speaker 1: protecting langlagoods, and protecting liberties, we needed people who were

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Speaker 1: experts across all of those different dimensions. So it wasn't

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Speaker 1: enough just to have a health conversation or does have

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Speaker 1: an economists conversation. We needed every kind of piece of

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Speaker 1: expertise that was being touched by the pandemic, and when

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Speaker 1: you sort of started to tally up all the different

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Speaker 1: kinds of expertise that were relevant, it was basically everything.

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Speaker 1: So we were looking for people who were really smart

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Speaker 1: and really creative. Um, but we're just across the board

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Speaker 1: in areas of expertise and so and the messaging and

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Speaker 1: communication mattered a lot, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I think what our fundamental belief came down to was

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Speaker 1: that the quality of our response would depend on how

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Speaker 1: strong a sense of mutual commitment we could inspire among

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Speaker 1: Americans to one another. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the people who do build that foundation of mutual commitment

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Speaker 1: amongst us are our artists, are communicators, are storytellers, um.

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Speaker 1: So that work is just so important. Mutual commitment is

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Speaker 1: a great phrase. And it leads to my follow up,

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Speaker 1: which has to do with what you're seeing that maybe

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Speaker 1: many of us are not. As I look at the

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Speaker 1: home pages of major news outlets and listen to the

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Speaker 1: various feeds, I see a failure and I hear a

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Speaker 1: negative message. But I'm hoping you have seen this mutuality

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Speaker 1: you just described, this social contract at work in some

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Speaker 1: region in some way. Is there good news to share.

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Speaker 1: On that front, there is good news. I can't say

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Speaker 1: it's everywhere. I have to agree with you that at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, we have to fit um

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Speaker 1: that as a country we failed. I mean I had

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Speaker 1: done se many thousand people are dead. This was unnecessary

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Speaker 1: and preventable, and I do think that the failure UM

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Speaker 1: falls on the charge accounts of our elected officials, of

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Speaker 1: leaders of variety of different organizations. And I do actually

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Speaker 1: think that the country deserves something like this. The nine

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Speaker 1: eleven Commission UM, that's got a lot of time figure

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Speaker 1: out what happened, what went wrong that we failed as

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Speaker 1: badly as we did, So do you think that's important?

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Speaker 1: At the same time that's true, what are the glimmers

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Speaker 1: of hope UM? I mean, we have seen communities come

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Speaker 1: together in remarkable ways, and we have seen mayors who

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Speaker 1: have called out volunteer organizations and figured out how to

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Speaker 1: deliver food UM and housing options for people who need

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Speaker 1: to deal with quarantine and isolation. Can I ask you

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Speaker 1: to name names? This is the opposite of shame, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm eager to hear who's doing it right? What can

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Speaker 1: you share with well? I want to call out mayor

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Speaker 1: Ceve Benjamin from Columbia, South Carolina. And I mean what

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Speaker 1: I call out somebody that doesn't necessarily mean that the

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Speaker 1: case incidents is low in their community, because sometimes they're

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Speaker 1: struggling against a larger system where they're not getting support.

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Speaker 1: So Mayor Ceve Benjamin and Columbia, South Carolina has worked

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Speaker 1: incredibly hard to keep his community safe. He has brought

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Speaker 1: knowledge for community, he has activated resources, volunteer services, even

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Speaker 1: though he had a governor who was saying, we're not

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Speaker 1: shutting down, uh, you know, we're not doing masking, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: So he was putting out the masking messages all kinds

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Speaker 1: of things, even though his governor wasn't. M Mayre Cabalden

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Speaker 1: in West Sacramento, California has been extraordinary. He's somebody who

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Speaker 1: has a deep understanding of HIV AIDS and how that

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Speaker 1: devastated communities and how contact tracing in that context to

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Speaker 1: turn the tide and the fact that it required ownership

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Speaker 1: by local communities um in order to turn the tide

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Speaker 1: on the disease, So the people affected by the disease

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Speaker 1: needed to own the process of contact tracing, for example.

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Speaker 1: And so he really drove a big project of education

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Speaker 1: and dissemination around what contact tracing is UM for the

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Speaker 1: U S Conference of Mayors, And I think you really

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Speaker 1: transformed the conversation um within his community of municipal leaders

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Speaker 1: on that point. So those are just two people to start,

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Speaker 1: and yet I could go on, and I think I've

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Speaker 1: seen mayors do rem hornkiable things over the course of

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Speaker 1: this pandemic. There had been calls by you and others

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Speaker 1: for a while for regional response, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: absence of an organized federal government response. I even joked

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Speaker 1: that maybe states could get together and form their own

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Speaker 1: more perfect union, a sort of federalized system of service delivery.

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Speaker 1: Is that something you're seeing happen above the level of mayor,

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Speaker 1: but below the level of say a White House, Pennsylvania Avenue.

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Speaker 1: It is happening. Um, It's absolutely happening. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: states have without capacity. I mean, I'm very fortunate to

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Speaker 1: live in Massachusetts, which is built up a pretty robust

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Speaker 1: infrastructure of testing and contact tracing and supported isolation and

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Speaker 1: actually has COVID under reasonable control at the moment um.

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Speaker 1: We did also manage to achieve bipartisan legislation introduced in

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Speaker 1: both the Senate and the House, and to deliver testing

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Speaker 1: funds to states and funds to support contact tracing. A

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Speaker 1: compromise amount that I'm a PATS that passed seventy dollars

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Speaker 1: for this work in May, and then the Senate Republicans

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Speaker 1: passed sixteen billion in the form of the Heels actually

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Speaker 1: the Heroes Act and the Heel Is Acting. This bipartisan

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Speaker 1: legislation introduced in early August is a fifty billion dollar package,

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Speaker 1: so compromise package, and it rewards regional collaborations, so it's

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Speaker 1: also incentivizing the sort of further formation obasional collaborations. Um.

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Speaker 1: And this package has been held up because of negotiations

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Speaker 1: in Congress and because of the bitterness of our polarization.

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Speaker 1: In all honesty, so the Democrats, as you know, are

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Speaker 1: fighting to protect voting and to protect elections. There's also

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Speaker 1: a fight around employment insurance and so forth, and the

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Speaker 1: bitterness of that fight and those issues is literally blocking

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Speaker 1: investment in our public health response. For me, this is

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Speaker 1: where I have to really just want to sort of

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Speaker 1: shake our entire country and say like, look, you know

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Speaker 1: we have that our polaristication gets so bad and it's

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Speaker 1: like literally killing us and so then there's a long

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Speaker 1: debate we have and who's responsible that. I understand that,

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Speaker 1: but we start to recognize the magnitude of the problem.

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Speaker 1: We have a definition of citizenship at this show, which

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Speaker 1: is to to see it as a verb, and there's

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Speaker 1: kind of four components as we've emerged into it. One

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Speaker 1: is two citizens to show up right. It's to participate

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Speaker 1: in the process and not just totally outsourced things. Two

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Speaker 1: citizens to relate to other people and see our interconnectedness

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Speaker 1: as an essential part of who we are. Two citizen

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Speaker 1: is to understand power in the different ways that we

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Speaker 1: can use it and wield it in the society. And

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Speaker 1: two citizen is to put the benefit of the many

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Speaker 1: above the interest of just oneself or the few. So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, given your work, given your perspective, and given

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Speaker 1: your years of study, what is your definition of a

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Speaker 1: citizen or to citizens? But yours is beautiful and it

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Speaker 1: captures a lot of what I've focused on. So my

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Speaker 1: definition of the citizen is to contribute to shaping the

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Speaker 1: decisions of one's community. So to be a co creator.

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Speaker 1: I like the vocabulary of w ebd Boys who talked

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Speaker 1: about being a co creator in the kingdom of culture,

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Speaker 1: and I do think that to be a citizens to

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Speaker 1: be a co creator in the kingdom of culture, in

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Speaker 1: our society of law, in our society of social norms

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Speaker 1: and expectations. So that's for me, the core and the

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Speaker 1: eddy of co creation. Yeah, what is your day to

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Speaker 1: day like with all this work? I mean, you have

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Speaker 1: a couple of jobs, you write these Washington Post columns,

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Speaker 1: you huddle with mayors apparently, Like, how is your day

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Speaker 1: shifted throughout this crisis? What does it look like now? Um? Well,

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Speaker 1: the biggest change is that until about a week ago,

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Speaker 1: I had a daily meeting nine pm every day for

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Speaker 1: the first three months of the crisis, eighty five am

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Speaker 1: every day for the second half with core members of

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Speaker 1: my broad response network. So that was a different thing

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Speaker 1: for me. So every day was kind of organized by

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Speaker 1: what we're trying to move forward. And so our life

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Speaker 1: in my network has been in I think it's sort

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Speaker 1: of the alphabet soup of our country's connective tissue. And

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Speaker 1: what do I mean by that? So we all know

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Speaker 1: we have a federal government, we've gout the states, we've

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Speaker 1: got cities, and many of us know we have the

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Speaker 1: National Governors Association n g A. But did you know

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Speaker 1: we also have the National Association of State Procurement Officers

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Speaker 1: and the National Association of City ac County Health Officials,

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Speaker 1: and the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials and

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Speaker 1: the Natural Association of County Officials, and it just goes

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Speaker 1: on and on. This is the alphabet soup of professional

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Speaker 1: associations that connect elected leaders and appointed officials at all levels.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out that that world is a beautiful

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Speaker 1: place because the people in those associations they love this country,

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Speaker 1: they love their fellow Americans, and they have all been working.

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Speaker 1: There are hearts out to do the right thing and

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Speaker 1: to deliver an effective code with response. And so that's

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Speaker 1: you know, my day has been living in that alphabet suit,

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Speaker 1: and it has shown me where power is that people

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Speaker 1: often have not recognized. You know, you don't think about

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Speaker 1: the National Association of State Procurement Officers as your first

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Speaker 1: stop when you're trying to citizen, as Baritone Day says,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually really great place to citizen. In fact, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate this shout out to procurement officers. It has

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Speaker 1: never been a headline I have seen celebrated in any

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Speaker 1: publication I've ever read. So thank you for recognizing that

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Speaker 1: semi secret power that we have, this concept of co

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Speaker 1: creating a kingdom of culture that you cite two boys for,

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Speaker 1: what does the co creation of our culture look like

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Speaker 1: in this moment? So I think for me, one of

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Speaker 1: the most important things there is the concept of power sharing.

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Speaker 1: Martin's are king in Um. One of his essays said,

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Speaker 1: at a certain point, you know, everybody thinks that civil

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Speaker 1: rights about laws changing laws. Actually what we really have

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Speaker 1: to do is pursue organizational transformation across all the organizations

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Speaker 1: in our country. And I do think that's true. And

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Speaker 1: so when I think about what it means to be

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Speaker 1: a co creator in the kingdom of culture, it's about

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Speaker 1: art and language and the way in art and language

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Speaker 1: we share power and learn the vocabulary of power sharing.

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Speaker 1: And then it's about how we take that vocabulary and

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Speaker 1: ethical commitment to power sharing into every organization that we're

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Speaker 1: part of. Power sharing. Yeah, it sounds really great for

651
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Speaker 1: those who haven't had it historically and really threatening to

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Speaker 1: those who have all too often. But that's the thing

653
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Speaker 1: is that it needn't be, because there is this incredible

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Speaker 1: beauty that comes from bringing people together across incredible diversity

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Speaker 1: and empowering them to work together because you get more,

656
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Speaker 1: like human entity gets more from that collaboration across lines

657
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Speaker 1: of diversity. And for me, this is sort of how

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Speaker 1: human potential is realized to its fullest. So it's true,

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Speaker 1: I know that when people aren't used to power sharing

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Speaker 1: or where they're where they're used to work in kind

661
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Speaker 1: of more homogeneous context, it can be scary, but that's

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Speaker 1: where for me, and so we're trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to open up people to anticipate the beauty and

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Speaker 1: the power of the result is critical. Yeah, well, you

665
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Speaker 1: know it is a big project and I got some

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Speaker 1: thoughts on it. This show was one of those thoughts

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Speaker 1: stretched out over multiple episodes with many talented people trying

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Speaker 1: to make it happen. And I think it's about writing

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Speaker 1: a news story of ourselves that expands the opportunity and

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Speaker 1: doesn't see that expansion as a threat but as like

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Speaker 1: more riches for us, all everybody rich. Now. As I

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Speaker 1: said in one of my talks a while back, we

673
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Speaker 1: try to keep a promise on this show to give

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Speaker 1: people action that they can take two be a contributor,

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Speaker 1: to be a citizen, in the big sense, not the

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Speaker 1: legal status sense, but the active sense, and in your words,

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Speaker 1: I guess to co create this new story. So, given

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Speaker 1: the context of why you're here, giving your expertise, in

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Speaker 1: your deep knowledge of democracy, justice, and now pandemics, what

680
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Speaker 1: would you give someone listening to this to do to

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Speaker 1: help out with this response to the pandemic specifically or

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Speaker 1: more broadly, with creating a healthier democracy to live in. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I would give people two jobs. If that's okay,

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Speaker 1: it's plenty. You could give seven, you know, two is

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Speaker 1: a good number. One of my jobs is thirty one parts, okay,

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Speaker 1: but one job is just what I'm doing. Inventory in

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Speaker 1: your mind of the organizations that you're a part of,

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Speaker 1: that you're already a member of, whether that's a church

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Speaker 1: or a workplace, or a community organization or an arts society,

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Speaker 1: theater group, and ask yourself, can you see room for

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Speaker 1: improvement with regard to how people share power in that

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Speaker 1: context and space, and take that conversation forward with the

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Speaker 1: people around you. Um, that would be job number one

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Speaker 1: and job number two. Can this is my thirty one

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Speaker 1: part job is? I would love it if you visited

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Speaker 1: the website our Common Purpose at the American Academy of

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Speaker 1: Arts and Sciences and think it's just actually our common

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Speaker 1: purpose that you google that it should show up. And

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Speaker 1: we have made thirty one recommendations for institutional reforms, for

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Speaker 1: investment in society, it's capacity to support bridging relationships across

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Speaker 1: lines of difference, and for transformations to our political a

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Speaker 1: civic culture. And they're particularly votes on telling a new

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Speaker 1: story of ourselves, telling a rich story, a complete story,

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Speaker 1: and accurate story, clear eyed story of ourselves. And look

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Speaker 1: at those and figure out there's a list of thirty

706
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Speaker 1: one recommendations, which is the one that speaks most to you.

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00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: And you'll find on the website as well champions organizations

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Speaker 1: that are working on that particular reform. Reach out to them,

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Speaker 1: sign up. Maybe they need a volunteer, maybe they could

710
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: use a donation, maybe they just need you to spread

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Speaker 1: the word. There's all kinds of jobs to do, so

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Speaker 1: think of that website as a job shopping list. Find

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Speaker 1: the right one for you, and then work on power

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Speaker 1: sharing in your own organizations. I love it. It's like

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Speaker 1: a small d democratic task rabbit. Uh what it is?

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Speaker 1: We are going to transition into questions that have been

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Speaker 1: coming from our live studio audience. This question is from

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Speaker 1: Chosina Reeves in Brooklyn. A CBS poll recently revealed that

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Speaker 1: fifty seven percent of Republicans believe the pandemic has been

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Speaker 1: handled in an acceptable way. Only ten percent of Democrats do.

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Speaker 1: How do we co create our culture when we are

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Speaker 1: so far part on something as fundamental as a pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I do like to observe when we hear those kinds

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Speaker 1: of statistics that the Republican Party has been shrinking so well,

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Speaker 1: it's true that pented Republicans have that view, or maybe

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Speaker 1: I presume it's true. It is a smaller group of

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Speaker 1: people than it was a few years ago. It's important

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Speaker 1: to keep that in mind. And at this point, more

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Speaker 1: Americans are not affiliated by a party than are in

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Speaker 1: a party. And so I do think if we focus

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Speaker 1: on all those folks who are not affiliated with the party, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think we find that there's a lot of deeper

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Speaker 1: base for connection with one another than it looks. When

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Speaker 1: we really focus on the parties and how the parties

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Speaker 1: are expressing themselves and interacting with each other. NED will

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Speaker 1: go to you. You can ask your own question in

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Speaker 1: your own voice. So when there's so much selfishness from

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Speaker 1: people who are are resisting things like wearing masks or

739
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: or pushing things to you know, get back to school.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be inconvenience, so I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be bothered. And if some people die, some people die.

742
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Speaker 1: If part of our task is telling that new story,

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Speaker 1: how do we do that without just yelling at people,

744
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: because it's so infuriating to just put into that kind

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Speaker 1: of self internest. That is a great question. And I

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Speaker 1: have a friend who is lives in South Carolina and

747
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Speaker 1: she's been sending me sort of email snippets for the

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Speaker 1: last few miles of conversations that she's tried to have

749
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Speaker 1: where she's tried to convince people to take the pandemic seriously.

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Speaker 1: This is where I use the language of social contract.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this is what it works.

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Speaker 1: One is trying to have this conversation, But for me,

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Speaker 1: it's useful to remind myself what I'm trying to do,

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Speaker 1: which is to say, I have to recognize that we've

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Speaker 1: reached a place in the country where at a deep level,

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Speaker 1: we're not committed to each other um and that is

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00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: exhibited in any number of ways, and it's also exhibited

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00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: in our kind of idea logical polarization. And so I

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Speaker 1: tried to make myself my own kind of test case.

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Speaker 1: UM so that I try to like literally just feel commitment,

761
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Speaker 1: which sounds kind of bizarre, but that I say what

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00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm feeling infuriated, I try to register that and ask myself, well,

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Speaker 1: what would commitment feel like? And if this were a

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Speaker 1: person in my family and I was infuriated about them

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Speaker 1: for something else, how would I work through that theory

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Speaker 1: in order to still try to do the right thing

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Speaker 1: by them in terms of if I need to bring

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Speaker 1: them along or whatever else it is I need to do.

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Speaker 1: So I literally do just try to tap into my

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Speaker 1: own emotional being to find reserves of fellow feeling that

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Speaker 1: can be hard to tap into, and try to like

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Speaker 1: think through those feelings to figure out what the right

773
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Speaker 1: response would be. See, you answered a question I for

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Speaker 1: kind of didn't realize I had, or maybe forgot I had,

775
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: which is, look, Daniel, my image of you was as

776
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Speaker 1: this person who's been trying to save the country, just

777
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: the country's unwillingness to be saved. Right, you'd be dropping

778
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Speaker 1: these papers, You're all these conference calls, you're rolling with

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Speaker 1: procurement officers and mayors, You've got plans and maps, and

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Speaker 1: I know you didn't do all this yourself. I'm not

781
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: trying to give you credit for everything, but you're associated

782
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: with so much labor on behalf of the many, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how does she keep going? Because I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: elected officials and budget you know, deciding people saying this

785
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's not real, it's a hoax, and yet

786
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: you keep going. So can you offer a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about what keeps you encouraged because you're even more

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Speaker 1: exposed to the frustration from my perspective than most of us. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it's pretty basic, which

790
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: is I think that right now, and then you kind

791
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: of encounter something where, yeah, I think the only possible

792
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: attitude toward it is failure is not an option. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like, I can't go one way, I'll

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00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: go around the failure is not an option. Not much fine,

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Speaker 1: So you know, the road is long, longer than I

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00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: ever imagined or hoped for. But I just, um, from

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Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart believe failure is not an option.

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Speaker 1: So you know what I don't know is how long

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Speaker 1: it will take us till we get to the right place.

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Speaker 1: But I know there's a right place for us to

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Speaker 1: get to. Thank you, Danielle Alan from the Edmund J.

802
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: Safford Center at Harvard. From the American Academy of Arts

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00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: and Sciences, from the Washington Post. From the Society of

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Speaker 1: State Procurement Officers secret semisecret Zoom Meetings. Thank you for

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00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: sharing your way of citizening with us. We look forward

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Speaker 1: to doing more and looking forward to see what else

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Speaker 1: you do with us. It's really been a pleasure and

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00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: honor to have you here. Likewise, it's been really terrific.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very day. Hey you, it's me again, and

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00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: it's just us again. Amy and Danielle are clearly fighting

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Speaker 1: COVID with everyone and every thing they know, pushing beyond

812
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: their comfort zones, digging into their rolodexes, their networks to

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Speaker 1: help us all. And I want to tell you we

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Speaker 1: share these stories now because we're trying to put on

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Speaker 1: some kind of citizen Olympics where only metal winners get

816
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: to show up. It's actually the opposite. We can all

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Speaker 1: citizen as long as we remember the four elements of

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Speaker 1: how to citizen that we laid out at the beginning

819
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Speaker 1: of this series four parts. Show up and participate, invest

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Speaker 1: in relationships, recognizing our interconnection to others. Understand power and

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Speaker 1: use it, and use that power for the benefit of

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Speaker 1: the many and not just the few. That's it. That's

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Speaker 1: the formula. Now it's your turn. In every episode we

824
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: share things you can do to strengthen your citizen practice,

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00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: and you can find the complete guide to what I'm

826
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: about to say at how to citizen dot com. So

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Speaker 1: here are some things you can do. On the internal front.

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Speaker 1: We've got two things. First, make a list of all

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Speaker 1: the ways you've helped others during this pandemic since March.

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Speaker 1: Write it down. I don't want you overlooking what you

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Speaker 1: think of as the small or the easy things. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Take a look at that list and be

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Speaker 1: proud of your citizenship. Number two, reflect on how else

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Speaker 1: you can use who and what you know to make

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Speaker 1: a difference during the pandemic. What kind of knowledge or

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Speaker 1: people do you have or no that could uniquely benefit

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Speaker 1: your unique community. And Then, outside of yourself and this

838
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: reflective exercise, we've got three things lined up. First, support

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Speaker 1: the aimys in your community. There is somebody around you

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Speaker 1: right now who is practicing how to citizen in a

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Speaker 1: really deep way. Who's organized something. If it's not, you

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00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: find out who it is and figure out how to

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00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: support them. Number two a little more work here. Start

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Speaker 1: a civic sir cool. This could be a happy hour group.

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Speaker 1: This could be a bridge club. This is people you

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Speaker 1: know and love, but set an intention of gathering with

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Speaker 1: them on a weekly or every other week basis to

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Speaker 1: talk about what you're up to. Make it cool. Make

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Speaker 1: it a part of your check ins about how you

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00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: are getting involved during this crisis. If you do it

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00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: on Sundays, it can substitute for church or brunch. Trust me,

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00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: I miss brunch. Last, check out the report that Danielle

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Speaker 1: Allen co authored Our Common Purpose. Look at those thirty

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Speaker 1: one recommendations and commit to helping implement just one of

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Speaker 1: them in your local community. Again. Visit how to citizen

856
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: dot com for links and a bigger explanation of all

857
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Speaker 1: of these actions and when you do them. Share them

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Speaker 1: with the world posted to the social media's hashtag how

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