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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. My guest Sterling

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Speaker 2: moon Is. She has a new book out called Talking

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Speaker 2: to Spirits, a Modern Medium's Practical Advice for Spirit Communication,

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Speaker 2: And I wanted to ask you, Sterling about we were

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Speaker 2: talking a little bit about animal communication beforehand. What are

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Speaker 2: some of the the benefits of communicating with spirits and

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Speaker 2: some of the downsides of it, Like how do you

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Speaker 2: do it safely?

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Speaker 3: So some of the benefits I think are just it

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Speaker 3: makes the world a lot more interesting. It also, you know,

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Speaker 3: I feel like the longer you've probably heard this before

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Speaker 3: that like I feel like the longer that you dive

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Speaker 3: into this type of stuff often the less concrete answers

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Speaker 3: you realize. You realize that we don't have any cock answers,

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Speaker 3: you know, especially when we come to spirit of the dead.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're not going to know what happens until

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Speaker 3: we cross that threshold ourselves. And I even kind of

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Speaker 3: wonder if we will ever fully get the you know,

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Speaker 3: I have a feeling there's even more mysteries that will.

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Speaker 4: No one's ever really come back to tell.

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Speaker 3: Right it's true. And yeah, and so I feel like

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Speaker 3: in some ways it almost can. It can bring comfort,

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Speaker 3: It can bring it can help people to you know,

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Speaker 3: establish faith. It can just make things fun and more interesting.

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Speaker 3: It can help you to not be scared, you know,

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Speaker 3: especially for folks who maybe they've you know, experienced like

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Speaker 3: living or working or having to be in places that

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Speaker 3: have a lot of spirit activities. Sometimes learning how to

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Speaker 3: proactively you know, state your boundaries. And also just it

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Speaker 3: gets pretty empowering to get over that that fear. Some

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Speaker 3: of the drawbacks can be not having good you know,

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Speaker 3: if you don't have good boundaries, if you you know,

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Speaker 3: because it's it's kind of like even with living folks, right,

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Speaker 3: Like we will invite people maybe into our home, but

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Speaker 3: most folks we want them to eventually go back to

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Speaker 3: their own home. Or we don't want them with us around,

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Speaker 3: you know, we don't want people necessarily maybe joining us

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Speaker 3: in the bathroom. Or I'm always amazed by how many

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Speaker 3: folks will be like spirits will come and visit me

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Speaker 3: in the shower. Shower dough seems to be like a

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Speaker 3: common thing. You want boundaries when you're in the shop, right, right,

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Speaker 3: and so, and also I think sometimes folks don't are

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Speaker 3: just a little fool There are some folks who are

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Speaker 3: a little foolhardy, I think with who they tried. Like

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Speaker 3: if you are somebody who's like, I want to go

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Speaker 3: out and contact this person that maybe did terrible things.

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Speaker 3: Like every time I hear about somebody who's like, I

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Speaker 3: want to go and like, you know, try to communicate

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Speaker 3: with somebody that was like a you know, serial killer

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Speaker 3: or something like that, I'm just like, do you not

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Speaker 3: see how that could end poorly?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Now, what are some of these super interesting communications that

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Speaker 2: you've had, maybe that you remember with one of your clients,

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Speaker 2: or experiences that you personally had.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, There's been so many over so many years.

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Speaker 3: Here's a couple of my favorites. One was when I

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Speaker 3: had I had one of my students. She had been

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Speaker 3: living in a rental house that was in her It

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Speaker 3: was in the you're familiar with Colorado, so Golden Colorado,

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Speaker 3: this adorable little mountain community community or you know, it's

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Speaker 3: like at the base of the foothills. It's only like

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Speaker 3: in this little house that she thought was built in

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Speaker 3: around nineteen twenty, and she just and she's definitely, you know,

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Speaker 3: really sensitive. She studied mediumship with me and just kept

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Speaker 3: She's like, I just don't feel like I'm alone here,

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Speaker 3: and I don't feel like this house is meant to

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Speaker 3: just check it out? And so I did, and we

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Speaker 3: we've been I brought out combination of like you know,

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Speaker 3: like dowsing rods. I always find that those are really

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Speaker 3: I got this strong feeling that she had lived there

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Speaker 3: the name May, and I was like, I feel like

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Speaker 3: really wants to be able to sit in this spot

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Speaker 3: her chair. You know, maybe you could give that a

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Speaker 3: world just you know, it's gonna be a little weird

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Speaker 3: And I also asked my friend if she sometimes felt

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Speaker 3: hear the sound of like little kitty nails in the night.

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Speaker 3: So those were all really interesting. But then later on,

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Speaker 3: was much older than she originally sought, and he had

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Speaker 3: found some old original windows in one of these outbuildings,

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Speaker 3: late eighteen hundreds. And this woman's name was Martha, but

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Speaker 3: she went by May. And so that was like that's

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Speaker 3: always gold. When you see this stuff and you can

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Speaker 3: get verifiable information, that always feels really good.

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Speaker 4: She never left.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we get, yeah, I mean we get

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Speaker 2: you can get really attached to a home, and I

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Speaker 2: sometimes you know, you could your home could really I

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Speaker 2: mean what homes protect you. They have roofs over your heads,

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Speaker 2: they hold energy, and sometimes the house itself takes on

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Speaker 2: understand how the house would be. I mean if I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen this before, but not only

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: This has been a family joke in our family for

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Speaker 2: a very long time that the house that my mom

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Speaker 4: It's it's interesting that house.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it feels like something that because I

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Speaker 3: always wonder too with the houses that are just like

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Speaker 3: and there's so many layers you can peel back. Where

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Speaker 3: is it something that we create, you know, that idea

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Speaker 3: of like how we can create aggrigors, thought forms, whatever

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Speaker 3: beyond the existence of the structure. And sometimes I wonder,

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Speaker 3: do you have any theories on why what it is

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's very interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like an entity that doesn't want her to leave,

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Speaker 2: and we talked about it all the time. It makes

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Speaker 2: it really hard for her to get out the door,

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Speaker 2: and we used to when my brother and I live

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Speaker 2: their same experience, and then even when we go back

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Speaker 2: to visit, there's like always something that prevents us from walking.

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Speaker 4: Out the door.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's the house, So how

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Speaker 2: would you remove something like that?

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Speaker 3: Well, see, and this is where kind of the way

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Speaker 3: I studied with a this Swedish fellow named Johannes or

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Speaker 3: ways that you know, he taught me to kind of

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Speaker 3: approach haunted situation. Spirit encounters was kind of with diplomacy first,

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Speaker 3: like that and we need that to change. But is

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Speaker 3: there something that you need? Is there a reason? And yeah,

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Speaker 3: he I kind of had always had come at these

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Speaker 3: And it's one of those balances too, where we have

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Speaker 3: the we are the living beings, this physical plane belongs

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Speaker 3: to us. We have a right to feel safe in

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Speaker 3: whenever we want. And at the same time, sometimes like

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Speaker 3: if you I've approaching things with diplomacy sometimes like smooth

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Speaker 3: at it of like I will clear you out of

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Speaker 3: this house, because then it sometimes can I've seen a

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Speaker 3: lot of situations where it can escalate things unnecessarily. But

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, oh gosh, I'm more like spiritual

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Speaker 5: hygiene for the home is one of the things that

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Speaker 3: And so you know, a clean home, both physically clean

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Speaker 3: and also spiritually clean, can often push out things that

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Speaker 3: you don't want there. And so there's like a combination

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Speaker 3: of things that I like to use, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 3: floor washes that are really specific to whatever is happening

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Speaker 3: in the home. In senses, there's definitely in sense blends

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Speaker 3: that I've I've been taught that are particularly good at

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Speaker 3: like pushing out and clearing out tricksters and negative type

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Speaker 3: spirits or spirits with a negative influence, but also kind

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Speaker 3: of feeding and bolstering any positive spirit that you know,

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Speaker 3: you maybe want hanging around you kind of stay in

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Speaker 3: their lane and they're you know, they help to keep

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Speaker 3: an eye on things. There's also like once your house

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Speaker 3: There's different you know, kind of every every haunting has

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Speaker 3: its own unique like they're there. I mean, every spirit

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Speaker 3: you know, make things better, it all, it all depends.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a lot of different like cleaning and

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Speaker 3: That's a classic, and a lot of traditions that's great.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, is there just one thing that you

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Speaker 3: Well, so I would I always start with you got

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Speaker 3: to you gotta literally clean your house and so some

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Speaker 3: with sweeping. You know, there's a lot of traditions that

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Speaker 3: Start from the back and move to the front, top

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Speaker 3: in a fully carpeted place, you can get a room

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Speaker 3: or a broom that is I don't know if it's

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Speaker 3: pronounced beesome or bessom, but it's like a basically a

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, is that the room is

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Speaker 4: associated with the witch.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, or you know, and it's basically just

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Speaker 3: like a handmade room that's like used more for like

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Speaker 3: air like close to the floor, and it's the point

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Speaker 3: that you are sweeping out all stagnant energy. It's always

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Speaker 3: great if you can sweep right out the front door.

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Speaker 3: Open your windows when you clean, even if it's the

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Speaker 3: the room that you're clearing. You know you're you're working in,

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Speaker 3: because if you want something to leave your house, it

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Speaker 3: I always think about it.

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Speaker 2: So when you're doing clearing, any type of clearing ritual,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, windows, Oh, but get it out of the house,

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Speaker 5: floor washes.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a I'm I really like laundry bluing.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes you'll see these little you'll find them. It's

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Speaker 3: they're little. It's like blue anial. You'll find them in botanicas,

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Speaker 3: and they're really great for just like raising the energy

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Speaker 3: of a home, banishing out negative spirits. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: just like a wonderful catch all. Florida Water is another.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's another It's a cologne technically, but it's

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Speaker 3: got like, you know, one hundred and thirty years of

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Speaker 4: I've recently heard of Florida water. Where does that origin

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Speaker 4: come from?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Geez, so I can't. I know that. I researched it

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Speaker 3: for the you know, you just it's one of those

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Speaker 3: researched the origins of it from my for my book,

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Speaker 3: but I'm going to tell you what I can remember

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Speaker 3: is kind of like the standard cologne. I mean literally

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Speaker 3: like there there's like a whole host of like colognes

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Speaker 3: and waters that have been used for different like magical purposes,

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Speaker 3: like another one that still here. Folks use particularly in

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Speaker 3: kind of communities is like hoit's cologne that's like something

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Speaker 3: Florida water though has like it's got citrus, it has

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Speaker 3: rows in orange orange blossom, it's got a really pretty

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Speaker 3: pretty smell. And there's folks you can make your own.

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Speaker 3: There's really wonderful makers out Like there's all kinds of

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Speaker 3: like you know, handmade Florida waters that you use. But

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, over time it just has and spent

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Speaker 3: the botanicals, which I don't think Marine Lanham probably has

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Speaker 3: any botanicals. I think it's probably artificial fragrance at this point.

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Speaker 3: But it's been used for so long for these purposes

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Speaker 3: that it has, it's like it's almost like there'sn't been

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